McCain's Underwhelming Acceptance Speech!

[Guest]

OK, so is no one going to mention this (yawn) acceptance speech of last evening? We knew the P.O.W. thing was going to be brought up. That was a given due to the fact that's all he's running on. But, I was looking for "straight talk" on how he was going to change the economy, how he was going to deal with the abysmal health care situation in this country. Give me something! Nothing! The funniest thing is that the RNC spent two solid days of speeches ripping the Dems, then McCain comes out and says how much he is going to work across the aisle. Is he kidding us?

As Jeffery Toobin of CNN said, this was the most shockingly boring acceptance speech ever! I completely agree. IMHO. (yawn)

Bring on the debates! 040

[Guest]

First I gotta say YES, bring on the debates . . it's the only place these guys will get close to the issues.

Conventions are for rhetoric..... "vote for me cuz I'm better than the other guy".

No one --- I repeat N-O - O-N-E can fix the health care system unless we got SOCIALIST.

And as for the economy ..
Only businesses can fix that by hiring more people.

They'll only hire more people when they sell more stuff

People will buy more stuff when they get more money

They'll get more money when businesses make more money

and on and on

That's why the stock market goes up and down

[Guest]

Thank you for your insight Aln. However, I don't think the answer is as black and white as "unless we got Socialist."

[Guest]

OK, so is no one going to mention this (yawn) acceptance speech of last evening? We knew the P.O.W. thing was going to be brought up. That was a given due to the fact that's all he's running on. But, I was looking for "straight talk" on how he was going to change the economy, how he was going to deal with the abysmal health care situation in this country. Give me something! Nothing! The funniest thing is that the RNC spent two solid days of speeches ripping the Dems, then McCain comes out and says how much he is going to work across the aisle. Is he kidding us?

As Jeffery Toobin of CNN said, this was the most shockingly boring acceptance speech ever! I completely agree. IMHO. (yawn)

Bring on the debates! 040



I can't really make any comments Chels....I fell asleep after the first 3 minutes....
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[Guest]

Despite those of you who still think that politics is making fun of those you dont support, I think Sen McCain is not a good speaker and his speech was less than great.

I also cannot wait for the debates and the continued vetting !

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I have to admit it McCains speech was a snoozer. It might have passed muster if we didn't have Palins to compare it to.

And I have to give Obama creds... He went on FOX and even O'reily. At least he honered his word to do so.

Benj

[Guest]

Despite those of you who still think that politics is making fun of those you dont support, I think Sen McCain is not a good speaker and his speech was less than great.

I also cannot wait for the debates and the continued vetting !



Bucco....I don't think anyone was making fun at anyone. Chelsea was expressing her opinion!! that is what this forum is about. Expressing opinion and agreeing to disagree. I was not making fun either...simply telling chels that I had planned on watching (which she already knew as I had posted earlier...but had fallen asleep as it started....no reflection on McCain...just simple truth.

[Guest]

You're right CASSIE...I am a bit over sensitive on that subject. Dont like mocking or making fun of anyone, and those who give their life to this country no matter what political party just plain dont deserve it !

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Lil Dancer ...there you are again.

This would be a good time for you to APPOLOGISE to me for LYING ABOUT ME.

Step up and admit it. Have enough character now, here ,on the forum where you LIED ABOUT ME.
I'M STILL WAITING. Benj

[Guest]

You're right CASSIE...I am a bit over sensitive on that subject. Dont like mocking or making fun of anyone, and those who give their life to this country no matter what political party just plain dont deserve it !


Bucco! I agree with that more than you know! I come from a family with a HUGE military backround! My grandfather's, my brother in law, one brother served in the Navy and is now in the reserves, one brother in NC in the Marines and one other brother being sent to Iraq in less then a week...leaving his 9 year old daughter home with my parents. Trust me...I support the military...just don't always like what they have to do...but God Bless them all as they believe in this country more than most of us do....

I also work very hard helping veterans obtain the benefits they so rightly deserve!

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UH OH Wrong forum. Oh well, I'm here and I might as well say that I was not impressed at all. He doesn't even READ his speech well. It was so obvious. Had to throw in that "son of an admiral", too. SO WHAT? My dear father-in-law received the bronze star, purple heart, and an air medal. He was shot down, he saved a fellow soldiers life from a burning aircraft. He was a POW for over a year. Did he feel he was better than others because of this? Never. NEVER NEVER! He felt he did his job and that was all. Never, ever did he boast or talk about his experience. I only knew he could never get in a plane. I feel McCain was boasting of his war experience!! HA! He is grasping at all the wrong straws! His self-boasting actually turned me off,BIG TIME!!

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Cassie325,

McCain has three sons who are or have served their country. Palin has a son who is serving his country. How many family members have served their country in the Obama Biden ticket???

Maybe thats not worth much to you but it is me. Benj

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Cassie

I agree!!! thanks for your support of our military. Your statement was profound....

" They believe in this country more than most of us do"

Sadly some here think victory is not achievable , Sad state of affaires.

One more time.....There are only two defining forces who have offered to DIE for you. Jesus Christ and the American soldier . One died for your soul and the other for your freedom. Benj

[Guest]

OK....here is my last statement on this thread (unless otherwise provoked or needed).
;)

I SUPPORT OUR MILITARY....I THANK THEM FOR OUR FREEDOM AND HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THEM! RELATED TO ME OR NOT.

HOWEVER! Having children in the military or being in the military at one point in life does NOT make one qualified to run the entire country.

I am NOT saying that McCain is not qualified nor am I saying that he is....I am simply stating that just because one has had military service and/or has children in the service does not make them the perfect candidate for our president.

Trust me....my brothers who are currently in the military....liberals or right winged...would NOT get my vote just because they were in the service. I love them and what they do. I love the fact that they (my brothers) do not share their opinions about the war or the current president because they can not! They will not. GREAT! I love the men they are becoming because of the military...God bless the marines for kicking their behinds into shape...God knows they needed it!

But there is no way in heaven or :edit: that I would vote for them as President on that quality alone.

There are many other qualifications one needs in order to get my vote. I also believe that there are many other TOTV's that feel this way about our armed service men and women.

BUT just because they do not agree with Senator McCain, it does NOT mean they do not respect what he went through or what he helped do for this country....but there are MANY, MANY others in this world that did the same thing....

I think there is a HUGE difference. That's all folks! Thanks for listening....(er...reading as samm would say)

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Cassie325,

McCain has three sons who are or have served their country. Palin has a son who is serving his country. How many family members have served their country in the Obama Biden ticket???

Maybe thats not worth much to you but it is me. Benj



Biden's son Beau is currently the Attorney General of Delaware. He previously worked for the US Attorney's office. He is a Captain in the Delaware National Guard and is being deployed to Iraq.

If this is type of information is worth so much to you, I suggest you might spend some time becoming informed of both sides of the equation instead of just focusing on all the negative aspects you can possibly find on the candidate you don't agree with. In the end, your posts might appear to be authored by someone who is somewhat informed of all the issues.

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C'mon....they are all politicians.
Trying to compare which is what or not is impossible because most only can go by what they hear....remember...they are politicians....they say what you want to hear...some good some bad...to date they have not presented anything of substance to allow evaluation.

They are both currently in the entertainment business. They are both trying to be populists.
Obama puts on a better show...free entertainment...free concert caliber performers...generates enthusiasm and energy in the crowd...

They are spending far too much time and $$$ on tit for tat, berating, partisan, pandering, slandering...defending what the other said last night/this morning/5 minutes ago.

The debates will be more of the same. Polish 'em up, shine 'em up, prep them, model them, coach them....just as un real as movie actors playing a lead role.

I am still waiting to hear from them who they really are. I for one do not like to be played to....when all else fails (which so far has) the only evaluation can be of past performance....not as they say but as the record shows. Therein will be the only real perspective and identity.
Remember when a leopard changes it's spots around to look different, when he gets done he is still a leopard......all I see is a lot of moving spots around.....ergo....politicians.

Palin is far more entertaining and much better looking than any of them...based on the sights n' sound evaluation only!!!!!!!!!!!

Both parties so called race for the Presidency is a Ho Hum IMHO....shallow...predictable...boring....repetiti ve...boring....predictable

BTK

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bimmertl,

You might have missed the question marks at the end of my question.
I thought this forum was for questions and comments and opinion.

That Beau is Attorney General or worked for the US attorneys office does not impress me. The fact that he is in the National Guard and is being deployed to Irac does.

Thanks for your thoughtful answer. Benj

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Palin is far more entertaining and much better looking than any of them...based on the sights n' sound evaluation only!!!!!!!!!!!
BTK


Bill,

I apologize in advance if I am taking this comment the wrong way...but this seems (to me) rather sexist and shallow. Sights n sound evaluation? Better looking? More entertaining? Just doesn't hit me the right way.... :dontknow:

If perhaps you meant to say that she "sounded" much more intelligent and sophisticated then some of her counter parts.
If perhaps you meant "entertaining" because she said something so enlightening and thought provoking...
If perhaps you meant that she "looks" like a strong willed, well qualified candidate for VP.

Then I humbly apologize and do not think the comment was sexist and shallow.

[Guest]

I completely agree Cassie. This is a sexist comment. As were the buttons at the RNC convention that touted "The Hottest VP" It's sad that that's what they're trying to sell for lack of accountability and experience.

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He is grasping at all the wrong straws! His self-boasting actually turned me off, BIG TIME!!
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Let me get this straight....Sen Obama has written TWO autobiographies at his age (many times disagreeing with himself).....TWO stories of his life BEFORE he even ran for President and before he had served ONE MONTH in the US Senate, AND YOU ARE TURNED OFF BY A WAR HERO....that to me is amazing.

[Guest]

Great speech and great vp who also made a great speech.....I'll take experience over a professional student any time.....

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Fumar, are you angling to get invited to that Bar-be-que??? LOLOL 1rnfl

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I have the utmost respect for all our military and all war heroes, and veterans! Do NOT twist my words!! Did Obama tout his books in his speech? NO. Did McCain tout his heroism. Yes. Boasting about what he did turned me off. Not his service to this country! GOT IT BUCCO??!! BTW Have you lost anyone dear to you in this present war? I didn't think so.

[Guest]

Dear Chels.It may be a sexist comment..but that's OK. This is now a popularity contest. I would wink like I am making zee joke, but I'm not kidding.






I completely agree Cassie. This is a sexist comment. As were the buttons at the RNC convention that touted "The Hottest VP" It's sad that that's what they're trying to sell for lack of accountability and experience.

[Guest]

I still don't like my choices. I think that Senator Obama wins hands down as the best presidential orator. I think that Governor Palin is an EXCELLENTspeech maker. I am a non church going cradle Catholic who is really afraid of anything far left or far right. I am tired of the war. I am tired of the high oil prices and awful economy. I am not smart enough to even have the right questions let alone the right answers. I know I support legalized abortion, even though I could probably NEVER have an abortion. I definitely support stem cell research. It is just good science and has nothing to do with politics. You are all so much better informed. I was raised a Democrat and past thirty pretty much voted Republican. I am a registered Republican, but I would have voted for Hillary Clinton.

How am I doing for annoying everyone?

[Guest]

I still don't like my choices. I think that Senator Obama wins hands down as the best presidential orator. I think that Governor Palin is an EXCELLENTspeech maker. I am a non church going cradle Catholic who is really afraid of anything far left or far right. I am tired of the war. I am tired of the high oil prices and awful economy. I am not smart enough to even have the right questions let alone the right answers. I know I support legalized abortion, even though I could probably NEVER have an abortion. I definitely support stem cell research. It is just good science and has nothing to do with politics. You are all so much better informed. I was raised a Democrat and past thirty pretty much voted Republican. I am a registered Republican, but I would have voted for Hillary Clinton.

How am I doing for annoying everyone?
You do not annoy me one bit. Actually I agree with you 100%. NOW GET ME OUT OF POLITICAL!!! November can't get here fast enough!

[Guest]

I have the utmost respect for all our military and all war heroes, and veterans! Do NOT twist my words!! Did Obama tout his books in his speech? NO. Did McCain tout his heroism. Yes. Boasting about what he did turned me off. Not his service to this country! GOT IT BUCCO??!! BTW Have you lost anyone dear to you in this present war? I didn't think so.
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Having served in Vietnam...the answer to your question is YES I have lost folks dear to me in war, perhaps not Iraq....HOWEVER what is the point of the question ?

YES...Sen Obama touted his book many times during the beginning of the primary then he found that folks were finding things that were DIFFERENT in each and he backed off. I hear about his COMMUNITY ORGANIZING and such much more than I hear about Sen McCain service to the country.

In any case, please explain what losing someone in Iraq has to do with Sen Obama writing two.....TWO...books about HIMSELF....and Sen McCain talking about his background ? Which by the way I WISH SEN OBAMA WOULD DO...it is absolutely interesting !

[Guest]

McCain said this war will go on for 100 more years! Thats why. I'm done argueing, its a waste of good time! Have a good night!

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McCain said this war will go on for 100 more years! Thats why. I'm done argueing, its a waste of good time! Have a good night!
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No arguing with you on this...HE NEVER EVER SAID THAT !!!!!!!!! I wish you would confirm the Democratic talking points you seem to hold dear....I will search for a video of what he said and post it if I can find it...if not will get you a transcript !

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ROCKINGRONDA....here is the video of that statement...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk

Now he was talking about being there AS WE ARE IN MANY MANY COUNTRIES...Japan, Germany, etc...he added "as long as no americans are shedding blood". If you suggest we pull all our troops out of all countries then fine that is your position.

I hope after actually listening to the remarks, you will notice the spin that has been put on this !

[Guest]

You guys need to be intellectually honest.

McCain never said the war will or should go on 100 years.

How about some honesty. Benj

[Guest]

I too was disapointed not one word on the economy, or health care. I wanted to know what was going to be done!

[Guest]

I guess it all depends where ones mind is when reading between the lines.
A perfect case of hearing what one wants to hear....believing what one wants to believe was said whether that was the intent of the speaker.
Sorry to disappoint some of you but my mind does not travel at that level.
When I accept Cassie's apology it means I meant all things she said. Sexism had absolutely nothing to do with my comment.
Further, let there be no mistake if I were to say something sexist, let's just say there would be no doubt in any of your minds whether I did or not...it would be crystal clear and most assuredly offensive.
It must be terrible going through life not knowing what people mean when they talk.
I find it annoying when others try to say what they think I meant.....but I get over it quickly....usually :joke:

BTK

[Guest]

BTK, Just curious. What did that sentence "Palin is far more entertaining and much better looking than any of them...based on the sights n' sound evaluation only!!!!!!!!!!!" really mean than? :dontknow:

[Guest]

Chelsea;

See below my copy of the Cassie post from earlier in this thread: her perhaps comments should suffice. It should be clear when I said I accept her apology. To that I would add can't one say any she looks better than any he or another she meaning....dressed better? Nice grooming? Professional appearance? Brighter appearance....these would/could all qualify as "sight" designators. I would like to think "sounds" is pretty self explanatory, but then again I don't/can't read into things like some do.

I also thought I was pretty clear advising if I had posted a sexist remark, there would be no mistaking it....I don't believe in inuendo. I don't listen to or give oblique messages. I guess I am just a little old fashioned....I say what I mean and I mean what I say....no second guessing....no hidden messages.....no interpretation required....usually!
It is so much easier that way....usually!!

Anyway here is Cassies' post:



Bill:

I apologize in advance if I am taking this comment the wrong way...but this seems (to me) rather sexist and shallow. Sights n sound evaluation? Better looking? More entertaining? Just doesn't hit me the right way....

If perhaps you meant to say that she "sounded" much more intelligent and sophisticated then some of her counter parts.
If perhaps you meant "entertaining" because she said something so enlightening and thought provoking...
If perhaps you meant that she "looks" like a strong willed, well qualified candidate for VP.

Then I humbly apologize and do not think the comment was sexist and shallow.

[Guest]

I was asking for your thoughts, not Cassies. But, that's convenient. :dontknow:

[Guest]

Thank you for your insight Aln. However, I don't think the answer is as black and white as "unless we got Socialist."


As Frasier would say "I'm listening".
I would love hear hear another option to how I can get health care WITH OPTIONS, without paying $2400 year premium plus $3000 deductible for my wife & I.

If you have a plan, I'LL VOTE FOR YOU!

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I wish I did have a plan ain. My husband and I are paying a little less, not much, and have a $5000 deductible!

****Oops sorry, I need to amend this. We are paying close to $2000 a MONTH with a $5000 deductible!

[Guest]

Unless I missed it, I have yet to hear either of the candidates or any of the pundits discuss the probability that many of these campaign promises--particularly John McCain's--could actually be enacted.

As I've mentioned here before, McCain can propose a laundry list of attractive proposals as long as he wishes. But with an increasingly heavy Democratic majority in both houses of Congress and a number of Republicans who might not be cooperative as the result of McCain's "maverick ways" in the past, it seems to me that few of McCain's proposals have much of a chance of enactment.

Obama has a much better chance of delivering on his campaign promises. But the risk in his case is that some dumb or damaging legislation could be passed. If I knew for a fact that the influence of lobbyists would be reduced or eliminated in the incoming Congress, I might even feel comfortable that a majority of elected officials wouldn't actually do something stupid or damaging. I do think that they're smarter than that. But with the special interest lobbyists lurking close to the capitol, I keep thinking that anything could still happen. Members of Congress may be smart, but their collective character and morality still makes me nervous.

But what isn't anyone discussing this?

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Well KAHUANA...I have been trying...almost every post I make on Sen Obama I mention that he will have a Democratic congress at his disposal.
Yes....A President McCain would have more difficulty with passing many changes and that is a problem for sure. I suppose you have to weigh that when you vote ! I have said..will continue to say...I am not as much pro McCain as I am anti Obama...and again...has nothing to do with his character at all....I am sure he is a nice man...his background, training and choice of associates is just much too risky.