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su2009
10-02-2015, 03:45 PM
Last night between about 11 p.m. and 5 a.m., a large animal tore through the screen on our lanai and took our young Siamese cat, Timmer. I believe it was probably a coyote, because no other animal here would have been fast and powerful enough to grab Timmer before he could get away and come back in through the cat door to the lanai. I had not realized Timmer was in danger, or I would not have let him go in and out at night through the cat door; I thought he was safe with the screen door shut tight, the lanai and birdcage well screened, and a cat door to escape back into the house if something scared him. We are very sad; he was a beautiful, sweet young cat and we loved him very much.http://lawmarkets.com/images/10-2-screen-torn-by-coyote.jpg http://lawmarkets.com/images/timmer.jpg

applesoffh
10-02-2015, 03:50 PM
Sorry for your loss. How awful.

Lovey2
10-02-2015, 03:57 PM
Oh, how terrible!! I am so, so sorry! Poor Timmer, what a beautiful cat! This is my biggest fear with our kitties. What village are you in?
Thank you for posting a picture of the screen. I have been pondering what to do with ours for weeks. We are having an additional cage put in and hoping they can install some cross bars along the bottom screen panels.

raynan
10-02-2015, 04:00 PM
Terribly sad to lose a pet. What village are you in?

JGVillages
10-02-2015, 04:02 PM
When we lived in Port Charlotte, FL an alligator tore through a lanai screen to get a dog, fortunately unsuccessful. Coyotes, bobcats, aligators are part of our Florida wildlife as as we encroach on theit territory these unfortunate incidents will happen. Be aware and protect your pets.

Nucky
10-02-2015, 04:57 PM
Our hearts are broken for you. So hard to lose a pet. Priscilla & Glen.

Jima64
10-02-2015, 05:06 PM
Very sorry for your loss. If I lost Zac or Zoe I would be devestated also.

TheVillageChicken
10-02-2015, 05:20 PM
My Siamese cat was taken from my lanai on January 15, 2015 sometime between 9:30 p.m., when I saw him in his cat bed, and 4:30 a.m when I got up. We have a cat door from the inside to the lanai and this cat usually went out onto the lanai once or twice during the night just to watch the golf course.

Although I did not realize it at the time, that night the screen door to the outside was not loose and not latched (ours has to be pulled tight to latch). I had not remembered to check the outside screen door before going to bed. The night was cold and raining, and my cat hated the rain and would not have gone out in it. He also would not have gotten lost; he liked people and walked up and down the block when he was young, and all the neighbors knew him. When I got up at 4:30 a.m. the next morning, my Siamese cat was gone, there was a dog-sized muddy footprint on the lanai, and the other cat then refused to go out through the cat door onto the lanai for three months after that, even if I was with him. Of course, now I am very careful to make sure the screen door is pulled tightly and latched when I go in or out.

On August 3, 2015, a neighbor three doors up called me at 1 p.m. in the afternoon to let me know that a coyote was making her way down the backyards of the houses on the Kenya golf course side of our street, Bramble Terrace. As we spoke on the phone, the coyote arrived in our backyard. It was a young female, and she came up onto our patio in the daylight and stared into our lanai. She then sniffed carefully around the lanai and through the bushes in the back and on the side of our house before moving down to the next neighbors' house. It was raining that day, but coyotes have a very oily coat and she did not look even slightly wet – her ears were up and her bushy tail was full and not bedraggled at all.

She was clearly alert and hunting for prey, and she searched carefully through the bushes behind the other houses on the golf course. I have no idea whether she was the coyote who took our cat, but she certainly found our lanai a place of interest, and coyotes are unquestionably smart enough to work open a poorly latched screen door.


Last night between about 11 p.m. and 5 a.m., a large animal tore through the screen on our lanai and took our young Siamese cat, Timmer. I believe it was probably a coyote, because no other animal here would have been fast and powerful enough to grab Timmer before he could get away and come back in through the cat door to the lanai. I had not realized Timmer was in danger, or I would not have let him go in and out at night through the cat door; I thought he was safe with the screen door shut tight, the lanai and birdcage well screened, and a cat door to escape back into the house if something scared him. We are very sad; he was a beautiful, sweet young cat and we loved him very much.http://lawmarkets.com/images/10-2-screen-torn-by-coyote.jpg http://lawmarkets.com/images/timmer.jpg


So the cat taken last night was the one who refused to go outside after the first cat was taken? Mighty strange happenings.

gap2415
10-02-2015, 08:15 PM
So sorry for your loss especially how it happened.

As a pet lover, I have a range of emotions right now, so sad.

gerryann
10-02-2015, 08:15 PM
This sure is confusing. You posted on 9/14/2015 that your cat was taken on 1/15/2015.

Now you are saying that last night 10/1/2015 your cat was taken again.

What the heck???

redwitch
10-02-2015, 09:36 PM
Strange looking lanai. Trying to figure out the mulch on both sides configuration.

Sorry, I just don't buy it. The coyotes have enough wildlife here to feed them ten times over. A small dog loose in a yard would be fair prey to a coyote. A cat in a screened lanai that smells of humans would not be worth the risk unless the coyote were starving.

MoeVonB61
10-02-2015, 10:04 PM
If it's true sorry for your loss...BTW your lanai looks more like a birdcage screen...am amazed you would allow your other cat out if you already lost one....

manaboutown
10-02-2015, 10:13 PM
When I lived in Los Alamos, NM I had friends who lost several siamese cats to coyotes. Be very careful with your siamese cats if coyotes prowl your area.

Barefoot
10-03-2015, 12:15 AM
I was very sorry to hear that you lost a cat from your lanai in January to coyotes. Very sad. And that you lost a second cat a few days ago to coyotes. Very distressing. And this happened in the Village of Bonita? Do you back on a Preserve?

Jimturner
10-03-2015, 04:19 AM
Is it possible that the cat tore though the screen and left?

jblum315
10-03-2015, 07:31 AM
A lanai that has no floor, only mulch? Looks kinda strange

Chi-Town
10-03-2015, 07:36 AM
When I lived in Los Alamos, NM I had friends who lost several siamese cats to coyotes. Be very careful with your siamese cats if coyotes prowl your area.
Coyotes have a preference for Thai food.

CWGUY
10-03-2015, 08:12 AM
Is it possible that the cat tore though the screen and left?

:undecided: I'm thinking you might be right. Here's a 2010 post by su2009


Managing cats outside
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I walk my cats outside in our own yard. It was a lot of work to train them. I did it starting with the head cat - the older, braver one: stand and hold him for three minutes on the back patio slab, then walk back into the lanai. Repeat several times a day for several days while the other cat watches from inside the sliding doors. Prevent struggling by holding a front leg firmly out and away from the cat (you must be reasonably strong and his claws must be clipped). Tell him: "stay with me!" repeatedly and praise him. Then the other cat: stand and hold on the patio slab, back into the lanai.

Move up through stages, one cat at a time while the other watches: cat sitting on patio slab next to you sitting on the slab, with your hand holding him down, then cat walking slowly in garden next to lanai with you walking next to him, then cat on side of house. If the the cat runs, yell "No! Stay with me, [his name]!" Talk to him sternly if he moves away from you, praise him if he walks slowly with you next to him. Cats like big flower beds, dislike being exposed, so keep a big flower bed in the front and back or side and wear old shoes to walk around with the cats in it. (Bark it instead of using rock, as cats will not walk on rock. Keep your plants tall and fluffy so cats can stay mostly hidden (abelia and lorapetalum are good choices), no spikey roses or spikey holly or juniper bushes.) Eventually you will be able to walk each cat around the house. Then you take them out together in stages - back flowerbed for five minutes, etc. Constantly tell them "Stay with me!" and praise them when they do. Always keep the lanai door propped open while they are out so they can rush inside if they become frightened, rather than running away from you.

If you see a dog anywhere in the vicinity, yell "Oh no! Dogs!" Scoop a cat up, point to the dog and run inside, acting panicked. The other cat will follow. Once inside, act frightened and run into the bedroom with the cats. Tell them you are glad you all are safe and you are proud of them for not getting caught by a dog. Eventually, you can yell "Oh no! Dogs!" and the cats will rush back into the lanai whenever there is, for example, a large truck barelling down the street, or a neighbor stopping by -- anything that might otherwise cause a cat to bolt. When they hear "Oh no! Dogs!" they will run back inside.

When you are out with the cats, always act wary. Make it clear that it is very dangerous outside and you are watching out for them. Caution them constantly. Eventually, they will not go outside without you, even if the door is open for furniture delivery, or to bring in groceries, or whatever.

Never take a cat out when it is getting dark because you just can't monitor them closely enough. If you take them out and they both stay beside you, stay out for longer and then praise them lavishly when you come back in.

Then, be prepared for your cats to meow from morning until dark, for the rest of your life, in the hopes they will persuade you to take them out not just twice a day, but 1,000 times a day. They will be relentless. You will need nerves of steel. You will wonder why you ever started this foolish cat-walking project instead of taking the advice of all the nice people who told you the cats would eventually be happy on the lanai.

Bonny
10-03-2015, 08:36 AM
Sorry, taking this thread with a great big grain of salt. I assume the coyote took the cat, then brought it back to take it again. :ohdear:

tomwed
10-03-2015, 08:43 AM
But the cat came back the very next day,
The cat came back, we thought he was a goner
But the cat came back; it just couldn't stay away.

TheVillageChicken
10-03-2015, 08:49 AM
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outlaw
10-03-2015, 08:56 AM
Two different cats, people.

golfing eagles
10-03-2015, 08:56 AM
But the cat came back the very next day,
The cat came back, we thought he was a goner
But the cat came back; it just couldn't stay away.

You're a poet
and don't know it

This thread is destined to be featured on an upcoming episode of the twilight zone. It has all the necessary components----alien highly intelligent cats that can be trained to obey commands and understand English, ghost cats returning from beyond, time travel, good Samaritan coyotes, and deja vu, similar to "Groundhog Day"----to quote the Monkees--I'm a daydream believer

CFrance
10-03-2015, 09:02 AM
I'm really having a hard time buying this. Between last night and this morning, every question I had was brought up by posters, even the one about a lanai with mulch on the inside.

If one lost a cat to being on a "lanai" all night, don't allow the remaining one... oh, but everything's already been said. Rinse and repeat.

springfield
10-03-2015, 09:36 AM
We noticed yesterday that our lanai screen was torn and shredded. Our kitty loves the lanai and doesn't have claws. We will have the screen repaired but we are more concerned with how to protect Molly yet let her out there. I even thought about ugly chicken wire.

Lovey2
10-03-2015, 09:39 AM
I am a nervous wreck about this coyote/cat thing! I am so afraid to let the cats on the lanai unless one of us is out there with them. It seems most of you are skeptical of this post, and I get some of the reasons, but what I don't get is WHY would someone post this if it's NOT true? What do they gain? I'm serious...just confused and petrified for my kitties. I would just die if something I did caused them harm. I am ready to get bars on my screens!!

graciegirl
10-03-2015, 09:41 AM
We noticed yesterday that our lanai screen was torn and shredded. Our kitty loves the lanai and doesn't have claws. We will have the screen repaired but we are more concerned with how to protect Molly yet let her out there. I even thought about ugly chicken wire.



Screens do get old and need to be replaced. Get several estimates. You will be glad you did. It is quite inexpensive.

Lovey2
10-03-2015, 10:23 AM
We noticed yesterday that our lanai screen was torn and shredded. Our kitty loves the lanai and doesn't have claws. We will have the screen repaired but we are more concerned with how to protect Molly yet let her out there. I even thought about ugly chicken wire.

I thought about chicken wire too and I may just do that, but I'm waiting for a contractor that's installing a cage for us to see if he can run some of those screen wires across the bottom.

Villager Joyce
10-03-2015, 11:08 AM
Villagetinker had a fence (of a sort) on the inside of his porch. He also had screen designed for critters on his birdcage. Search his posts or PM him.

gerryann
10-03-2015, 11:11 AM
I am a nervous wreck about this coyote/cat thing! I am so afraid to let the cats on the lanai unless one of us is out there with them. It seems most of you are skeptical of this post, and I get some of the reasons, but what I don't get is WHY would someone post this if it's NOT true? What do they gain? I'm serious...just confused and petrified for my kitties. I would just die if something I did caused them harm. I am ready to get bars on my screens!!

I would certainly keep an eye on your cats, but don't be a nervous wreck over it. You ask why someone would post such a thing. There is a group of folks who are of the mindset that the Coyotes should be killed.....or trapped and removed. Killing them is just plain wrong. Trapping them would be an ever ending chore, because they would continue to flourish here. Folks just have to keep the cats indoors and always leash their dogs and watch them carefully. Every time the subject dries up for a week or two, it is resurrected by a false claim of a cat being taken. As far as I have seen....there was one dog taken that was let out at midnight without a leash. An incident of a cat being taken was two women who said their cat went missing and they "assume" it was a coyote. It may have just run off. There have been incidents of sightings for sure. But, don't over worry about this, just keep a close watch on your animals. We are in mid Florida and there are many threats out there.

Lovey2
10-03-2015, 11:40 AM
I would certainly keep an eye on your cats, but don't be a nervous wreck over it. You ask why someone would post such a thing. There is a group of folks who are of the mindset that the Coyotes should be killed.....or trapped and removed. Killing them is just plain wrong. Trapping them would be an ever ending chore, because they would continue to flourish here. Folks just have to keep the cats indoors and always leash their dogs and watch them carefully. Every time the subject dries up for a week or two, it is resurrected by a false claim of a cat being taken. As far as I have seen....there was one dog taken that was let out at midnight without a leash. An incident of a cat being taken was two women who said their cat went missing and they "assume" it was a coyote. It may have just run off. There have been incidents of sightings for sure. But, don't over worry about this, just keep a close watch on your animals. We are in mid Florida and there are many threats out there.

Thanks. We lived down south in Florida, and I was never afraid. Possums and such just walked along, and much everything else was afraid of the cats...rats, snakes. This is something new to me and it frightens me. They have never been out and I would never allow that, both for their safety and cleanliness, but the thought of something coming IN after them is just crazy.

golfing eagles
10-03-2015, 11:43 AM
I am a nervous wreck about this coyote/cat thing! I am so afraid to let the cats on the lanai unless one of us is out there with them. It seems most of you are skeptical of this post, and I get some of the reasons, but what I don't get is WHY would someone post this if it's NOT true? What do they gain? I'm serious...just confused and petrified for my kitties. I would just die if something I did caused them harm. I am ready to get bars on my screens!!

Perhaps a couple of guard roadrunners might help (Beep Beep)

graciegirl
10-03-2015, 11:44 AM
Thanks. We lived down south in Florida, and I was never afraid. Possums and such just walked along, and much everything else was afraid of the cats...rats, snakes. This is something new to me and it frightens me. They have never been out and I would never allow that, both for their safety and cleanliness, but the thought of something coming IN after them is just crazy.



In answer to your very sincere question about why would someone DO that, make this up?


The answer is that for some these kinds of forums are a game, and they enjoy getting people upset.


I think you should continue what you have been doing and I believe your kitties will be safe. I understand your love for them, they are family to us too.

gerryann
10-03-2015, 11:45 AM
Thanks. We lived down south in Florida, and I was never afraid. Possums and such just walked along, and much everything else was afraid of the cats...rats, snakes. This is something new to me and it frightens me. They have never been out and I would never allow that, both for their safety and cleanliness, but the thought of something coming IN after them is just crazy.

I'm sure il be corrected for this, but I do not believe than any coyote has torn into anyone's lanai. Someone did say that a coyote came in their cat door, took the cat.......I would say that the cat just went out through his door and is now......gone....

Lovey2
10-03-2015, 11:59 AM
Perhaps a couple of guard roadrunners might help (Beep Beep)

where can I get some?? and what do they eat??;)

Lovey2
10-03-2015, 12:05 PM
I'm sure il be corrected for this, but I do not believe than any coyote has torn into anyone's lanai. Someone did say that a coyote came in their cat door, took the cat.......I would say that the cat just went out through his door and is now......gone....

I never thought that would happen, either. I never immunize my cats, except for their baby shots. I always said my cats never go out, and if something comes thru the screen to get it, chances are they would never survive because it's gotta be a big and rabid animal. The screens (new) are pretty secure, I thought, but hearing about this ripping, tearing thing is some thing I never thought would happen. I hope my own cavalier words don't come back to haunt me.
Thank you for some reassurance. For now, I think I'll still stay out there with them. :undecided:

Lovey2
10-03-2015, 12:10 PM
In answer to your very sincere question about why would someone DO that, make this up?


The answer is that for some these kinds of forums are a game, and they enjoy getting people upset.


I think you should continue what you have been doing and I believe your kitties will be safe. I understand your love for them, they are family to us too.

Thanks! I would be absolutely bereft if something befell them that I could have prevented.
And as far as the other, I still can't comprehend that. You know I speak my mind, and am not afraid to be known as who I am...right or wrong...but I just don't get people outright lying and making sh-- up! CRAZY, if you ask me. What is their gain? Oh, well...

golfing eagles
10-03-2015, 12:25 PM
where can I get some?? and what do they eat??;)

You can probably import them from Arizona and New Mexico
They eat Purina roadrunner chow

Lovey2
10-03-2015, 12:29 PM
You can probably import them from Arizona and New Mexico
They eat Purina roadrunner chow

:1rotfl:

Mleeja
10-03-2015, 12:35 PM
Wow! I bet the OP will never post here again! I hope they read the thread about "Thin Skin Villagers". Such negativity....

Barefoot
10-03-2015, 12:36 PM
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Barefoot
10-03-2015, 12:43 PM
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golfing eagles
10-03-2015, 12:47 PM
Wow! I bet the OP will never post here again! I hope they read the thread about "Thin Skin Villagers". Such negativity....

I think I can safely speak for us skeptics when I say if the OP lost 2 cats in the manner described, we are sincerely sorry for her (and the cats)especially given all the effort to train them in the manner posted in 2010. But there just is something about the whole story that doesn't hang together, hence the twilight zone comment. My 16 year old cat, who never left our property, went missing 10 days ago, so I am sympathetic to anyone who lost a pet. Best guess is a red fox got her (the animal, not the actor)

HimandMe
10-03-2015, 12:57 PM
Seems sad if she was so emotionally low she had to make up a story to get attention. Let's therefore give her the benefit of the doubt.

Barefoot
10-03-2015, 01:12 PM
Seems sad if she was so emotionally low she had to make up a story to get attention. Let's therefore give her the benefit of the doubt. You are absolutely right. I've deleted my two recent "skeptical" posts.

dbussone
10-03-2015, 01:13 PM
Wow! I bet the OP will never post here again! I hope they read the thread about "Thin Skin Villagers". Such negativity....


17 posts since 2009, with 6 or 7 about cat issues, does make one suspicious. I bet the OP will post again - in about 1/3 of a year.

Chi-Town
10-03-2015, 01:20 PM
where can I get some?? and what do they eat??;)
Saw a Road Runner at the Pinellas gas station.

55258

graciegirl
10-03-2015, 01:35 PM
Seems sad if she was so emotionally low she had to make up a story to get attention. Let's therefore give her the benefit of the doubt.



I think there is a big difference in people. I think we have all kinds of skills and strengths and some are better at running a business, and some are better athletically, and some are meant to be mothers. The mother skill includes sniffing out schemes that won't do anyone any damned good and stopping them in their tracks.

Judge Judy has this skill in spades.

TheVillageChicken
10-03-2015, 01:40 PM
The weirdness continues. (http://alturl.com/actu5)

Lovey2
10-03-2015, 01:41 PM
Saw a Road Runner at the Pinellas gas station.

55258

:coolsmiley:

golfing eagles
10-03-2015, 01:47 PM
The weirdness continues. (http://alturl.com/actu5)

Check out the pictures. I thought the cats were supposedly Siamese.

TheVillageChicken
10-03-2015, 02:32 PM
Check out the pictures. I thought the cats were supposedly Siamese.

This is another story.

dbussone
10-03-2015, 02:34 PM
If you refer to the original post you will note that the post notes a website called: lawmarkets.com
That website is owned by an individual whose first name is Suuzen, hence the name of the poster su2009.

The full name of the individual is not found in the most recent TV phone book. But there is a FL phone number also noted on the website. If you do a reverse phone number lookup, the number is listed to an address in Groveland Florida.

However there is a a listing for the OP on mylife.com with a Villages notation. And an attorney office location here as well. She is also listed as active by the CA Bar, and a TV address listed there.

Fellow TOTVers, take another look at the image of a screen in a lanai. Have you have seen one like that here in here in TV? And P.S. the OP is an active CA attorney who went to law school in Denver.

Judge Judy, I rest my case - or I have no case. But it is amazing what you can find on the Internet with a little effort.

Villager Joyce
10-03-2015, 02:42 PM
If you refer to the original post you will note that the post notes a website called: lawmarkets.com
That website is owned by an individual whose first name is Suuzen, hence the name of the poster su2009.

The full name of the individual is not found in the most recent TV phone book. But there is a FL phone number also noted on the website. If you do a reverse phone number lookup, the number is listed to an address in Groveland Florida.

Fellow TOTVers, take another look at the image of a screen in a lanai. Have you have seen one like that here in here in TV? And P.S. the OP is a former CA attorney who went to law school in Denver.

Judge Judy, I rest my case.

At ease. Your job is done. :bigbow:

Taltarzac725
10-03-2015, 02:58 PM
Not sure what to make out of all this. I will just watch from a distance.


I went to the University of Denver Graduate School of Librarianship and Information Management Class of 1984, May but only met a few of the law students at their Law School. This woman looks like she graduated from the University of Denver Law School but I have no indication of year.

This seems irrelevant to the missing cat though.

Lawyers are usually very hard skinned so maybe she will come on here again.

If you dig deeper you will see that she does live in the Villages and was admitted to the Bar around 1980. Not sure which Bar though.

gerryann
10-03-2015, 03:04 PM
Would you not think that she would have told the newspaper that she also lost a cat in January as well......the same way.....also Siamese, that this cat wasn't. It's starting to sound like a quiz......

Taltarzac725
10-03-2015, 03:07 PM
Would you not think that she would have told the newspaper that she also lost a cat in January as well......the same way.....also Siamese, that this cat wasn't. It's starting to sound like a quiz......

I do not think many people who lose a cat like this want to talk to a reporter. It is usually very traumatic.


If she did lose her cat or cats like this she and her husband have my condolences.