Coyote tore thru lanai screen, took cat

[su2009]

Two nights ago (Oct. 1-2) between about 11 p.m. and 1 a.m., a large animal tore a big hole through the screen on the small birdcage attached to our lanai and took our young Siamese cat, Timmer. I believe it was probably a coyote, because no other animal here would have been fast and powerful enough to grab Timmer before he could get away and come back in through the cat door to the lanai. I had not realized Timmer was in danger, or I would not have let him go in and out at night through the cat door; I thought he was safe with the screen door shut tight, the lanai and birdcage well screened, and a cat door to escape back into the house if something scared him. We are heartbroken; he was a beautiful, sweet young cat and we loved him very much. I'm writing to warn other cat & small dog owners of this terrible danger. http://lawmarkets.com/images/10-2-sc...-by-coyote.jpg http://lawmarkets.com/images/timmer.jpg

[Villager Joyce]

What? Starting the thread again?

[su2009]

Again? I tried to post yesterday but it never showed up anywhere that I could see.

[Bonny]

Yes it showed up and many people posted on it. The thread has been deleted.

[graciegirl]

Two nights ago (Oct. 1-2) between about 11 p.m. and 1 a.m., a large animal tore a big hole through the screen on the small birdcage attached to our lanai and took our young Siamese cat, Timmer. I believe it was probably a coyote, because no other animal here would have been fast and powerful enough to grab Timmer before he could get away and come back in through the cat door to the lanai. I had not realized Timmer was in danger, or I would not have let him go in and out at night through the cat door; I thought he was safe with the screen door shut tight, the lanai and birdcage well screened, and a cat door to escape back into the house if something scared him. We are heartbroken; he was a beautiful, sweet young cat and we loved him very much. I'm writing to warn other cat & small dog owners of this terrible danger. http://lawmarkets.com/images/10-2-sc...-by-coyote.jpg http://lawmarkets.com/images/timmer.jpg



Have you lost TWO cats to coyotes here in The Villages?

[Bonny]

Two nights ago (Oct. 1-2) between about 11 p.m. and 1 a.m., a large animal tore a big hole through the screen on the small birdcage attached to our lanai and took our young Siamese cat, Timmer. I believe it was probably a coyote, because no other animal here would have been fast and powerful enough to grab Timmer before he could get away and come back in through the cat door to the lanai. I had not realized Timmer was in danger, or I would not have let him go in and out at night through the cat door; I thought he was safe with the screen door shut tight, the lanai and birdcage well screened, and a cat door to escape back into the house if something scared him. We are heartbroken; he was a beautiful, sweet young cat and we loved him very much. I'm writing to warn other cat & small dog owners of this terrible danger. http://lawmarkets.com/images/10-2-sc...-by-coyote.jpg http://lawmarkets.com/images/timmer.jpg
You posted before you lost a cat in January. Now you posted again and said you just lost a cat.

[Boomer]

Just looked at the online news site. There is a new story there of another cat taken from a lanai in Lynnhaven last night. Coyotes are highly intelligent opportunists, practiced observers, well aware of patterns. Could be.......

[tomwed]

????

[golfing eagles]

????

:agree:

[gerryann]

Playing games.......

[golfing eagles]

Playing games.......

Probably. Can't wait to hear about the psychic cat that speaks English again.

[Barefoot]

????. :confused: I am totally confused as to why this thread was deleted and then restarted?? It did disappear didn't it? It feels like "Groundhog Day."

[Chi-Town]

That Lynnhaven cat has nine lives.

[Sandtrap328]

That Lynnhaven cat has nine lives.

You got that right!

Can anyone say "SPOOF"?

[graciegirl]

There have been spirited and intense conversations about coyotes on this forum lately.

It seems so unlikely that anyone would allow another cat on the lanai if one had been taken.

The OP also has a post about training a cat to stay in the yard. I have had a lifetime of cats and this skill is beyond me for sure.

[golfing eagles]

There have been spirited and intense conversations about coyotes on this forum lately.

It seems so unlikely that anyone would allow another cat on the lanai if one had been taken.

The OP also has a post about training a cat to stay in the yard. I have had a lifetime of cats and this skill is beyond me for sure.

Not if the cat is psychic and speaks English. It also helps if the coyote returns the cat, only to take it again 9 months later. And if the cats in the picture are Siamese, my maltese/poodle mix is a Great Dane.

[rubicon]

Two nights ago (Oct. 1-2) between about 11 p.m. and 1 a.m., a large animal tore a big hole through the screen on the small birdcage attached to our lanai and took our young Siamese cat, Timmer. I believe it was probably a coyote, because no other animal here would have been fast and powerful enough to grab Timmer before he could get away and come back in through the cat door to the lanai. I had not realized Timmer was in danger, or I would not have let him go in and out at night through the cat door; I thought he was safe with the screen door shut tight, the lanai and birdcage well screened, and a cat door to escape back into the house if something scared him. We are heartbroken; he was a beautiful, sweet young cat and we loved him very much. I'm writing to warn other cat & small dog owners of this terrible danger. http://lawmarkets.com/images/10-2-sc...-by-coyote.jpg http://lawmarkets.com/images/timmer.jpg

Dear su2009: I do not care what other posters think, I believe you because I believe in the decency of mankind. I take people at their word. I do not believe a person would be as unkind as to place fear in the minds of other animal owners that their "precious" could be vulnerable.

I suspect the rationale for this disbelieve stems because of the presidential race....doubting Thomas's one in all.

Not one thought about the grief you must feel losing a loved one. Not one thought about the torment that plagues you mind of your cat being tore from its habitat....the pain.... the agony....the loneliness

But in the event that you were being playful with us, we congratulate and thank you for the imaginative "camp fire" scary story.

Personal Best Regards:

[CFrance]

You posted before you lost a cat in January. Now you posted again and said you just lost a cat.
Then, OP, your second post was deleted (disappeared; not closed, and no reason given by the mods). And now you've started the thread again.

I would really like to ask a few things: how many cats have were lost? Why, after losing the first cat, was the second cat allowed to be out on the lanai overnight? What proof do you have that it was a coyote? (Cats are strong enough to rip through screening if they want to get outside. My two dug a large hole in brand-new carpeting once, trying to get the sliders open.)

And finally, why is there mulch on both sides of the screen in the picture you showed? (This one just out of curiosity).

[golfing eagles]

Dear su2009: I do not care what other posters think, I believe you because I believe in the decency of mankind. I take people at their word. I do not believe a person would be as unkind as to place fear in the minds of other animal owners that their "precious" could be vulnerable.

I suspect the rationale for this disbelieve stems because of the presidential race....doubting Thomas's one in all.

Not one thought about the grief you must feel losing a loved one. Not one thought about the torment that plagues you mind of your cat being tore from its habitat....the pain.... the agony....the loneliness

But in the event that you were being playful with us, we congratulate and thank you for the imaginative "camp fire" scary story.

Personal Best Regards:

If you saw it, on the deleted thread, I posted that I would take the liberty of speaking for the skeptics in sincerely apologizing and feeling sorry for the OP if he/she truly lost her pet in such a cruel manner. But I also think that there is so much about the story that doesn't seem to hang together that there is room for legitimate doubt as well, starting with the 2010 post. And if the post is real, please, please, don't leave a third kitty out on the lanai.

[graciegirl]

Then, OP, your second post was deleted (disappeared; not closed, and no reason given by the mods). And now you've started the thread again.

I would really like to ask a few things: how many cats have were lost? Why, after losing the first cat, was the second cat allowed to be out on the lanai overnight? What proof do you have that it was a coyote? (Cats are strong enough to rip through screening if they want to get outside. My two dug a large hole in brand-new carpeting once, trying to get the sliders open.)

And finally, why is there mulch on both sides of the screen in the picture you showed? (This one just out of curiosity).



That picture of the hole in the screen showing mulch on both sides is no longer there, CFrance. I don't understand and hope we aren't being mean spirited.

[CFrance]

There have been spirited and intense conversations about coyotes on this forum lately.

It seems so unlikely that anyone would allow another cat on the lanai if one had been taken.

The OP also has a post about training a cat to stay in the yard. I have had a lifetime of cats and this skill is beyond me for sure.
Okay, I'm thinking about this training of a cat to go outside and stay in the yard. I can only think of one reason to do that: the cat wants to get outside so badly that it will either learn how to unlatch the door or continually just claw a hole in the screening to get out.

Otherwise, with all the wild animals running around loose, why would you let a cat go outside down here?

[CFrance]

Just looked at the online news site. There is a new story there of another cat taken from a lanai in Lynnhaven last night. Coyotes are highly intelligent opportunists, practiced observers, well aware of patterns. Could be.......
That wouldn't have been OP's cat, as that cat was supposedly taken prior to last night.

[CFrance]

Not if the cat is psychic and speaks English. It also helps if the coyote returns the cat, only to take it again 9 months later. And if the cats in the picture are Siamese, my maltese/poodle mix is a Great Dane.
I can't get the first link to open, but having had three Siamese, I can definitely vouch for the second link's picture. It's a young Siamese whose coat has not darkened yet.

[golfing eagles]

I can't get the first link to open, but having had three Siamese, I can definitely vouch for the second link's picture. It's a young Siamese whose coat has not darkened yet.

I was referring to the pictures on the not to be named other news site. May not have been the OPs however

[redwitch]

The cats mentioned in the other site lived in the Bonnybrook area. OP lives in Bonita.

[graciegirl]

The cats mentioned in the other site lived in the Bonnybrook area. OP lives in Bonita.



I think that this is very troubling for anyone who loves animals. No one wants to show a lack of caring to someone who lost a pet or not encourage others to take every precaution they can to protect their beloved pets.


I hope that we aren't being played with. I cannot understand how someone would let a cat out on the lanai after they had reported another cat had been taken from the lanai within the year.


The site associated with the pictures appears to be owned by a lawyer living in The Villages.

[golfing eagles]

The cats mentioned in the other site lived in the Bonnybrook area. OP lives in Bonita.

So this means either:
1) both cats could still be Siamese
2) If it is the same cat, the coyote returned the right breed
3) If the second cat is a reincarnation of the first, it came back as the same breed. I wonder if it retained all its amazing training, or if like Shirley Mclain it had to undergo regression hypnosis.

4) Again, if it is a legitimate post, my apologies

[CFrance]

So this means either:
1) both cats could still be Siamese
2) If it is the same cat, the coyote returned the right breed
3) If the second cat is a reincarnation of the first, it came back as the same breed. I wonder if it retained all its amazing training, or if like Shirley Mclain it had to undergo regression hypnosis.

4) Again, if it is a legitimate post, my apologies
I ditto your #4. But some things seem awfully darn strange and are not being clarified by OP. That in itself is strange.

[Moderator]

Yesterday's thread was removed from public view as it had strayed far off the topic of protecting pets in the lanai. Many speculated whether the original story was truthful and, as of late in the day, the OP had not rejoined the discussion.

The OP later started this new thread with the same topic and, so far, the replies are similar to yesterday with much doubt about its veracity. If this trend continues and the OP does not provide details and facts that further support their story, this too, shall be removed.

We do our best to make sure posts are genuine. The takeaway message is protect your pets.

Moderator

[CFrance]

Thanks to the moderator for the explanation.

[Lovey2]

Thanks to the moderator for the explanation.

Ditto!

[Topspinmo]

Wait till the African Python migrates through, more than cats and dogs will be missing. The big African Python will take small calfs and in Africa some reports of humans. To double down they can cross breed with the Birmese Python which is already out of control creating and unknown super snake possibly?. Some say the Birmese are already in the area?

IMO the African Python the most aggressive of the snakes and can grow Hugh, only the anoconda gets larger. The coyote and the alligator will be on there menu along with everything else that breaths IMO?

[Taltarzac725]

I have heard of three different cats now taken from lanais in Lynnhaven alone. All in Lynnhaven and in about the same area. Near the Belmont Golf Course holes 3 and 4 but extended maybe a 500 ft radius from those points. This also includes the Churchill Downs Rec Center and the Lynnhaven Postal Center.

I have seen a coyote on the Belmont Golf Course. Golf The Villages (http://www.golfthevillages.com/executive-golf/execHome.asp?course=BELMONT) This was a few years ago at about 7:45 AM while I was walking my former dog Sport near the Lynnhaven Postal Center. The coyote ran 20 feet in front of us in a big hurry to get away from all the people on the golf course. It did surprise a lot of golfers on Belmont.

The rumors though are that it could have been a coyote or a bobcat that snatched these now three Lynnhaven cats. Three different houses have been identified to me. I do not know how accurate this information is. The only first hand account is by the Saluda Street couple in the news source which must not be named. Their cat was taken on Friday night, October 2-3, 2015.

[golfing eagles]

Wait till the African Python migrates through, more than cats and dogs will be missing. The big African Python will take small calfs and in Africa some reports of humans. To double down they can cross breed with the Birmese Python which is already out of control creating and unknown super snake possibly?. Some say the Birmese are already in the area?

IMO the African Python the most aggressive of the snakes and can grow Hugh, only the anoconda gets larger. The coyote and the alligator will be on there menu along with everything else that breaths IMO?

nice snake, please don't eat me

[gap2415]

Great...now we have the python image in our heads and the paranoid will start looking under every rock instead of enjoying this beautiful place....
Keep imagination in check....a snake can be thought of as just an ailimentary canal...and I doubt any African Pythons will ever be seen here....I hope.

[golfing eagles]

Great...now we have the python image in our heads and the paranoid will start looking under every rock instead of enjoying this beautiful place....
Keep imagination in check....a snake can be thought of as just an ailimentary canal...and I doubt any African Pythons will ever be seen here....I hope.

Not too much to worry about in TV. According to National Geographic, there have only been 6 African pythons found since 2002, and all of those were in a 1 square mile area in a suburb of Miami. They like the hot weather, so they probably will stay south. They can cross breed with the Burmese python, which tolerate cooler temps but still prefer it hot.

[graciegirl]

When we first moved here, some guy who liked to kid around on this forum was telling us that there were a lot of snakes found in toilets.


Well...I cannot tell you how that slowed down a lot of normal functions for awhile.

[Taltarzac725]

When we first moved here, some guy who liked to kid around on this forum was telling us that there were a lot of snakes found in toilets.


Well...I cannot tell you how that slowed down a lot of normal functions for awhile.

That's really funny. ;)

[Taltarzac725]

The Ashland cat snatched in September may be one of the Lynnhaven rumors. There are pictures of two cats taken now from lanais. This is on the site that must not be named.

Both of the houses where I have heard that cats were taken here in Lynnhaven seem to be on Saluda Street. They are not right together but a few houses apart. The other Saluda Street cat snatched was about two months or so ago. Maybe in August?

[tomwed]

Now-------the-----
snake came back the very next day,
The snake came back, we thought he was a goner
But the snake came back; it just couldn't stay away.

[Bonny]

Well, it will be interesting to see now that this thread is going again if the OP will join in on the conversation.

[golfing eagles]

Now-------the-----
snake came back the very next day,
The snake came back, we thought he was a goner
But the snake came back; it just couldn't stay away.

Robert Frost has nothing to worry about with that one:1rotfl:

[Boomer]

wow I hope this particular reporting really is an apocryphal tale because if it is true, oh my, welcome to the mean streets of TOTV. (Cringe)

What I do know is that if I were a coyote, I would want to live in TV. If I were a coyote, I would think of TV as a smorgasbord.

Coyotes are here to stay. No need to panic. But we do need to educate ourselves on coyote behavior and try to be as smart as they are.

[jnieman]

The Ashland cat snatched in September may be one of the Lynnhaven rumors. There are pictures of two cats taken now from lanais. This is on the site that must not be named.

Both of the houses where I have heard that cats were taken here in Lynnhaven seem to be on Saluda Street. They are not right together but a few houses apart. The other Saluda Street cat snatched was about two months or so ago. Maybe in August?

Article this morning in the other on line news about what sounds like is another one snatched. Here is the headline: Villagers mourn pet snatched from lanai after screen ripped open

[Taltarzac725]

Article this morning in the other on line news about what sounds like is another one snached. Here is the headline: Villagers mourn pet snatched from lanai after screen ripped open

That's the Saluda Street one here in Lynnhaven for Friday night's loss of the 20 year old cat.

[Barefoot]

Well, it will be interesting to see now that this thread is going again if the OP will join in on the conversation.
I asked in yesterday's thread if the OP who lives in the Village of Bonita backs on a Preserve.
I would still be interested to hear whether she backs on a Preserve or golf course.

[Taltarzac725]

I asked in yesterday's thread if the OP who lives in the Village of Bonita backs on a Preserve. I would still be interested in that information.


If you do a little digging in her web-site you can find her house address and then Google it as well as put it on Mapquest. I do not want to post private information like her address on here. Click on whatever is colored and looks like it will lead to a home address. It is her choice to leave up access points to her web-site and through that to her home address.

[rubicon]

If you saw it, on the deleted thread, I posted that I would take the liberty of speaking for the skeptics in sincerely apologizing and feeling sorry for the OP if he/she truly lost her pet in such a cruel manner. But I also think that there is so much about the story that doesn't seem to hang together that there is room for legitimate doubt as well, starting with the 2010 post. And if the post is real, please, please, don't leave a third kitty out on the lanai.

Hey golfing eagles: Perhaps I am mistaken but in the long run it doesn't matter because of time place and affect.

I will take people at face value for purposes of feeding TOTV threads and respond in a good faith manner. What is written here does not affect me or mine. If it did then well that's another conversation. Whether its true this person lost a cat to a coyote or not does not affect me in the least. (ie have no skin in the game) However, if a poster tries to convince members that Canal Streets runs all the way to Ocala well that's a different animal (excuse the pun)

You know as a medical doctor that virtually the one time people are always going to be truthful is when the are admitted to the emergency room for emergency care...they are not going to lie for fear of not properly being treated.

I know a number of ways to test a person's veracity. My past occupational disciplines required it. Now that's when my Sherlock Holmes brows furrowed and I'd begin to eliminate the possibilities to focus on the probabilities. It always amazed me on how gifted people were of telling tales and even more so that they under any circumstances would never back away from their story even if you had evidence in hand of their mis-dealings

As to this OP again I say bravo on your creativity and imagination and if true sorry for your emotional trauma

[tomwed]

Robert Frost has nothing to worry about with that one:1rotfl:
Well----I remember singing this song when my kids were little. It's gruesome and probably nobody sings it anymore, sort of like Grimm's Fairy Tales. Wow- how times have changed.
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This reminded of another song we use to play in the car whenever we were driving---A for Apple---aaa B for Baby ba ba ba. No wonder I'm a little left of center. It's those damn songs. They're still in my head.
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[golfing eagles]

Hey golfing eagles: Perhaps I am mistaken but in the long run it doesn't matter because of time place and affect.

I will take people at face value for purposes of feeding TOTV threads and respond in a good faith manner. What is written here does not affect me or mine. If it did then well that's another conversation. Whether its true this person lost a cat to a coyote or not does not affect me in the least. (ie have no skin in the game) However, if a poster tries to convince members that Canal Streets runs all the way to Ocala well that's a different animal (excuse the pun)

You know as a medical doctor that virtually the one time people are always going to be truthful is when the are admitted to the emergency room for emergency care...they are not going to lie for fear of not properly being treated.

I know a number of ways to test a person's veracity. My past occupational disciplines required it. Now that's when my Sherlock Holmes brows furrowed and I'd begin to eliminate the possibilities to focus on the probabilities. It always amazed me on how gifted people were of telling tales and even more so that they under any circumstances would never back away from their story even if you had evidence in hand of their mis-dealings

As to this OP again I say bravo on your creativity and imagination and if true sorry for your emotional trauma

:agree:

[Barefoot]

The Ashland cat snatched in September may be one of the Lynnhaven rumors. There are pictures of two cats taken now from lanais. This is on the site that must not be named.
Both of the houses where I have heard that cats were taken here in Lynnhaven seem to be on Saluda Street. They are not right together but a few houses apart. The other Saluda Street cat snatched was about two months or so ago. Maybe in August?Tal, are all these cat snatchings in the online newspaper or are they rumours?
My heart goes out to anyone who has lost a pet.
It was reported that the man who lost his unleashed dog saw a coyote.
Could the cat snatchings be a feral dog, a bob cat or even a possum? We have some large possums in our back yard.

[golfing eagles]

Tal, are all these cat snatchings in the online newspaper or are they rumours?
My heart goes out to anyone who has lost a pet.
It was reported that the man who lost his unleashed dog saw a coyote.
Could the cat snatchings be a feral dog, a bob cat or even a possum? We have some large possums in our back yard.


A possum can tear thru the screen and drag a cat away????

[rubicon]

Neighbors have been reporting sighting coyotes all around Bonnybrook neighbors and hence one can conclude Lynnhaven.

One neighbor told me she often sighted an alligator trying to get into her lanai at get at her small dog.

I suspect the OP may be upset at the number of doubting Thomas's and just decided to abandoned her interest in responding...and it is a fair and justifiable response

[Bonny]

Hey golfing eagles: Perhaps I am mistaken but in the long run it doesn't matter because of time place and affect.

I will take people at face value for purposes of feeding TOTV threads and respond in a good faith manner. What is written here does not affect me or mine. If it did then well that's another conversation. Whether its true this person lost a cat to a coyote or not does not affect me in the least. (ie have no skin in the game) However, if a poster tries to convince members that Canal Streets runs all the way to Ocala well that's a different animal (excuse the pun)

You know as a medical doctor that virtually the one time people are always going to be truthful is when the are admitted to the emergency room for emergency care...they are not going to lie for fear of not properly being treated.

I know a number of ways to test a person's veracity. My past occupational disciplines required it. Now that's when my Sherlock Holmes brows furrowed and I'd begin to eliminate the possibilities to focus on the probabilities. It always amazed me on how gifted people were of telling tales and even more so that they under any circumstances would never back away from their story even if you had evidence in hand of their mis-dealings

As to this OP again I say bravo on your creativity and imagination and if true sorry for your emotional trauma
I think the problem comes in when someone posts not long ago saying this happened to them in January, then makes another similar post that it just happened to them in October.
And, of course, never comes back to answer any questions about it.
Creative imagination ? Definitely not what I would call it.

[Barefoot]

...

[Chi-Town]

My heart goes out to anyone who has lost a pet. So sad to lose a 20 year old cat that way (as reported in the online newspaper today).
Tal, are all the cat snatchings you mentioned fact or are some of them rumours?
It was reported that the man who lost his unleashed dog saw a coyote.
I'm wondering whether the villain in the cat snatchings could be a feral dog, a gator, a bob cat or even a possum? We have some large possums in our back yard.

Had large possums up north. They could tear through screens, soffits, and siding easily. And once they got into the attic it was home. But I hever heard of them carrying off a dog or cat.

There are so many inconsistencies to this tale that I'm sure by Halloween it will have morphed into a ghost story.

[Barefoot]

I suspect the OP may be upset at the number of doubting Thomas's and just decided to abandoned her interest in responding...and it is a fair and justifiable response

I tried to post yesterday but it never showed up anywhere that I could see.

The OP never saw the skeptical posts on yesterday's thread, and then Admin closed the thread.
I think responses on today's thread are somewhat kinder.
It is a huge co-incidence to lose one cat from a lanai in January and a second cat in October, but co-incidences do happen.
I think that prompted some of the questions.

[Bonny]

The OP never saw the skeptical posts on yesterday's thread, and then Admin closed the thread.
I think responses on today's thread are somewhat kinder.
It is a huge co-incidence to lose one cat from a lanai in January and a second cat in October, but co-incidences do happen.
I think that prompted some of the questions.

Oh I don't know. Sorry, but I think OP saw the posts.

[TheVillageChicken]

The OP never saw the skeptical posts on yesterday's thread, and then Admin closed the thread.
I think responses on today's thread are somewhat kinder.
It is a huge co-incidence to lose one cat from a lanai in January and a second cat in October, but co-incidences do happen.
I think that prompted some of the questions.


If lightening did strike twice, don't you think the OP would have said something about having to endure this "heartbreak" twice in one year? Raise your hands if you would have not mentioned the first event while you were issuing a "warning" to folks.

[tomwed]

"upset at the number of doubting Thomas's"
This gets my goat. It's always Thomas.
There's doubting Thomas, and Peeping Tom and Tom's have been accused of stealing a pig and running away.

Who says Doubting Fred? no one
Who says Peeping Arnold? no one

hmphhhhh

I think an apology is in order....

[gerryann]

As all have said....if any animal was injured in the midst of these tales, I'm truly sorry. Don't want any animals injured or killed.

I am aware of three individuals, living in TV that post on social media that appear "obsessed" by this whole coyote thing. I believe that once they went to whomever they went to and tried unsuccessfully to make the coyote population disappear; they made it their mission in life to prove to the world that coyotes need to be gone.

We all know that there ARE coyotes. Those of us with pets KNOW that we must take precautions.......but IF any of these accounts are false....shame on anyone who would do this.

I'm not enjoying my walks with my pup cause I'm constantly on the watch for any predator. Other folks have stated that they are very frightened to even venture outside with their dogs.

Obviously, the poster here with the fluffy white "Siamese" cat who seems to disappear when questioned is another one of the coyote obsessed villagers. I for one, do not want to be told anything but the truth when it comes to reporting an animals death....especially if it didn't happen.

Cmon OP give us details please.

[golfing eagles]

This gets my goat. It's always Thomas.
There's doubting Thomas, and Peeping Tom and Tom's have been accused of stealing a pig and running away.

Who says Doubting Fred? no one
Who says Peeping Arnold? no one

hmphhhhh

I think an apology is in order....

Did you ask your parents to apologize?:1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

If lightening did strike twice, don't you think the OP would have said something about having to endure this "heartbreak" twice in one year? Raise your hands if you would have not mentioned the first event while you were issuing a "warning" to folks.

Great point!!! I would have titled the thread "I can't believe this happened again" or something similar

[TheVillageChicken]

I see four possibilities:

Both events occurred. Tragic.

Neither event occurred. Therapy.

Only the first event occurred and the OP resuscitated it and modified it to make an impact. OK, she is a lawyer.

Only the second event occurred. She should abandon law and become a prophet.

[njbchbum]

Neighbors have been reporting sighting coyotes all around Bonnybrook neighbors and hence one can conclude Lynnhaven.

One neighbor told me she often sighted an alligator trying to get into her lanai at get at her small dog.

I suspect the OP may be upset at the number of doubting Thomas's and just decided to abandoned her interest in responding...and it is a fair and justifiable response

Upset? Nah! Seekiing attention and/or stirring the pot!

I'd like to know which of the folks who have lost a cat due to its being snatched from within a lanai by a coyote has actually OBSERVED the snatching so as to be able to verify that is was a coyote doing the snatching. Without an eyewitness accounting all the coyote blame is hogwash - or at least doubtable!

[Taltarzac725]

Upset? Nah! Seekiing attention and/or stirring the pot!

I'd like to know which of the folks who have lost a cat due to its being snatched from within a lanai by a coyote has actually OBSERVED the snatching so as to be able to verify that is was a coyote doing the snatching. Without an eyewitness accounting all the coyote blame is hogwash - or at least doubtable!

Bobcat or coyote. I do not think we get the subadult humans who do these kind of things sometimes in other communities. There were paw prints in at least one of these cat snatchings in the Villages.

I just want the wild life to leave the pets alone. However that can be accomplished with minimum pain and injury to both the pets and pet owners as well as the wild life should be the issue.

[gerryann]

Upset? Nah! Seekiing attention and/or stirring the pot!

I'd like to know which of the folks who have lost a cat due to its being snatched from within a lanai by a coyote has actually OBSERVED the snatching so as to be able to verify that is was a coyote doing the snatching. Without an eyewitness accounting all the coyote blame is hogwash - or at least doubtable!

I know that the 2 women (1 home, 1 cat) that were featured on Channel 9 a few weeks ago owned a ferrel cat that they adopted. Tha cat was an "outside" cat. The cat didn't return and they "assumed" a coyote took it. They saw a coyote one day in their neighborhood.

I don't believe that any coyote was actually SEEN by anyone that had a cat that disappeared. The only one I know of is the gentleman that said a coyote took his unleashed dog in the dark.

[gerryann]

I just want the wild life to leave the pets alone. However that can be accomplished with minimum pain and injury to both the pets and pet owners as well as the wild life should be the issue.

When there are legitimate reasons to address this issue, then maybe some thought can be put into it.

One unleashed dog supposedly being snatched by a coyote does not warrant any action......except for owners to be cautious and aware.

[Taltarzac725]

I know that the 2 women (1 home, 1 cat) that were featured on Channel 9 a few weeks ago owned a ferrel cat that they adopted. Tha cat was an "outside" cat. The cat didn't return and they "assumed" a coyote took it. They saw a coyote one day in their neighborhood.

I don't believe that any coyote was actually SEEN by anyone that had a cat that disappeared. The only one I know of is the gentleman that said a coyote took his unleashed dog in the dark.

Just by looking at the screen you should be able to tell if an animal broke into it or out of it. Same principle as glass on the inside of a house or on the outside for whether a burglar actually broke in or someone is looking for insurance by claiming one broke in. The threads of the screen should show. https://youtu.be/UPDzZYDkWMU

[Sueffle]

So sorry. Where do you live?

[Taltarzac725]

So sorry. Where do you live?

The OP (original poster) lives in Duval.

[Bonny]

Just by looking at the screen you should be able to tell if an animal broke into it or out of it. Same principle as glass on the inside of a house or on the outside for whether a burglar actually broke in or someone is looking for insurance by claiming one broke in. The threads of the screen should show.
A screen might be more difficult. An animal can certainly pushed a screen jumping, etc. or use their claws to scratch at it and maybe pull the screen in.

[Taltarzac725]

A screen might be more difficult. An animal can certainly pushed a screen jumping, etc. or use their claws to scratch at it and maybe pull the screen in.

Would you not be able to tell if a cat ran through a screen or got through it some other way from how the hole looks? I suppose a con artist trying to fool an insurance investigator could tamper with the evidence as could some troll looking to create havoc on a web-site. Trolls are rarely very subtle though and usually go for instant gratification in trying stir the pot. They rarely play a long con game.

[gerryann]

What's up with this OP????? Seriously, if all of this happened to you, just come on here and explain!! NOBODY wants to believe you are making this up. Just explain your post. We are all ears.

[Taltarzac725]

What's up with this OP????? Seriously, if all of this happened to you, just come on here and explain!! NOBODY wants to believe you are making this up. Just explain your post. We are all ears.

I doubt if she is making this up as her real name and address are easy to get to from the web-site she used to post the pictures.

Some kind of cognitive dissonance may be involved here too. Cognitive Dissonance Theory | Simply Psychology (http://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html)


I would be rather upset if I went on a site hoping for sympathy and just got disbelief. That actually has happened to me a lot on other sites when trying to tell people about my own biographical history and instead of trying to understand it, they attack the messenger.

Most trolls want to be anonymous for a reason.

[Butterfly201]

I first read about a woman out walking early and she saw a coyote near Buttonwood Run. It ignored her. Then I read about a small dog being taken from his front lawn with the owner standing there--and a cat taken from a lanai overnight. After reading about another cat in the other "news source" I decided to be safer than sorry and fixed my cat door so my cats can't get out to the lanai unless I let them into the lanai. It seems these happenings are early morning mostly, except the small dog. This is serious for pet owners. If it is a hoax it is a terrible thing to do. I also think derisive comments don't help matters if it is not a hoax.

[CFrance]

But where is the OP and why not answering anyone's questions? Tal, usually when someone comes on, states something fantastic, and then disappears despite dozens of posts, it's questionable.

[su2009]

Yes it showed up and many people posted on it. The thread has been deleted.

I had TWO Siamese cats taken from our lanai this year!!!! Teo was taken from our lanai the night of January 15, 2015, but I found our screen door was not tightly latched and there was a muddy smeary print the size of a large dog's paw on our lanai - it was cold and raining that night, and I posted on this forum about it. I lost Timmer the night of October 1, 2015 - just three days ago -- and I had the checked the screen door and it was tightly latched. The screens were all intact, and I had no idea he was at risk. This time, the coyote tore through the screen. Here are Teo and Timmer together, before Teo was taken: http://www.lawmarkets.com/images/2-siamese-cats.jpg

[su2009]

I lost BOTH of my Siamese cats from our lanai within nine months - and both, I believe, to coyotes. Timmer was very shy and never wanted to even go on the patio unless he was with me. Just one week earlier, I took Timmer to the vet for his annual shots and teeth cleaning, and the vet tech clipped his claws very short. He could never have torn a big hole in our lanai screen, nor would he - he had been sitting out every day and night for the entire six years we have been here. We live on Bramble Terrace in the Village of Bonita, on the Kenya golf course, and our neighbors had met both cats many times. I would never have let Timmer go out on the lanai had I not believed he was safe with the screen door tightly latched and all screens completely intact. Here, again, is a photo of Teo and Timmer before Teo disappeared in January: http://www.lawmarkets.com/images/2-siamese-cats.jpg

[FosterMomma]

Su2009... I'm so sorry of this has happened to you again. I would be heartbroken if one of my boys was attacked.

[gerryann]

So you are not the cat owner that was written up in the online newspaper?

[golfing eagles]

Let me be the first, and I believe quite few should follow, to:
1) express sympathy for your loss
2) apologize for being skeptical of your story

If you re-read your post, coupled with the post from January, you might see why some doubted you. It's not an excuse, just an explanation, and again I'm sorry. It makes much more sense now that you were clear about 2 cats, and that there was evidence that the cat door/latch was the contributing factor to the 1st cat's disappearance, so you felt safe to let the 2nd cat out there with the door secure. Regarding the 2010 post describing your cat training, you must be amazing with animals. Perhaps a new animal planet network series, "the cat whisperer" is in your future.
Once again , sorry for your loss

[su2009]

For those who have speculated that I am not a serious person, having lost BOTH of my cats from the lanai this year: My name is Suuzen Ty Anderson; I go by Suzy. I am a California attorney with an active law license, rated AV Preeminent by Martindale-Hubbell attorneys, lawyers and law firms listed in Martindale's Attorney Directory (http://www.martindale.com/Results.aspx?ft=1&frm=freesearch&afs=suuzen%20ty%20anderson). My husband is Raymond Edwards, Jr., a retired judge for the Superior Court of California, County of San Diego. We live on Bramble Terrace in the Village of Bonita, on the Kenya golf course.

[CFrance]

Thank you for clarifying. I think that's all people were looking for, was a response.

They are beautiful cats. My Siamese cats were escape artists, which is why I wondered if your second cat had broken through the screen to get outside. Did you hear anything?

I'm sorry for your loss. I hope you will find, in time, room for more feline friends in your life.

I think there have been enough incidents of pets being taken by some animal that we should all be forewarned.

[gerryann]

Thanks for clearing up the mystery.

[Barefoot]

I lost BOTH of my Siamese cats from our lanai within nine months - and both, I believe, to coyotes. Timmer was very shy and never wanted to even go on the patio unless he was with me. Just one week earlier, I took Timmer to the vet for his annual shots and teeth cleaning, and the vet tech clipped his claws very short. He could never have torn a big hole in our lanai screen, nor would he - he had been sitting out every day and night for the entire six years we have been here. We live on Bramble Terrace in the Village of Bonita, on the Kenya golf course, and our neighbors had met both cats many times. I would never have let Timmer go out on the lanai had I not believed he was safe with the screen door tightly latched and all screens completely intact. Here, again, is a photo of Teo and Timmer before Teo disappeared in January: http://www.lawmarkets.com/images/2-siamese-cats.jpg

Beautiful cats - I am very sorry for your loss.
We back on Churchill Greens and I have seen one coyote in five years. However he was very shy and afraid of people.
Have you seen coyotes on the Kenya Golf course after dark or during the day?
We obviously all need to be careful about these predators who seem to be growing bolder.

[su2009]

The lady in Lynnhaven who just lost her cat by a large animal who tore through her lanai is a different person, a Mrs. Barbara Gibson; I just read her account this morning when a friend emailed the article to me and I have not yet met her. http://www.**************.com/villages-beloved-cat-killed-by-coyote-in-village-of-ashland/

[Diver]

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[Jimturner]

For those who have speculated that I am not a serious person, having lost BOTH of my cats from the lanai this year: My name is Suuzen Ty Anderson; I go by Suzy. I am a California attorney with an active law license, rated AV Preeminent by Martindale-Hubbell attorneys, lawyers and law firms listed in Martindale's Attorney Directory (http://www.martindale.com/Results.aspx?ft=1&frm=freesearch&afs=suuzen%20ty%20anderson). My husband is Raymond Edwards, Jr., a retired judge for the Superior Court of California, County of San Diego. We live on Bramble Terrace in the Village of Bonita, on the Kenya golf course.

You have my respect for your bravery in sharing the most pain one feels outside of losing a family member. No one doubts your loss, but there have been so many coyote attacks lately, some folks jumped to the conclusion and posted doubt. I have experienced the coyote on my property so it is easy for me to accept the threads as fact. Let's hope that the doubters dont have to feel your lose or your pain.

[CFrance]

For those who have speculated that I am not a serious person, having lost BOTH of my cats from the lanai this year: My name is Suuzen Ty Anderson; I go by Suzy. I am a California attorney with an active law license, rated AV Preeminent by Martindale-Hubbell attorneys, lawyers and law firms listed in Martindale's Attorney Directory (http://www.martindale.com/Results.aspx?ft=1&frm=freesearch&afs=suuzen%20ty%20anderson). My husband is Raymond Edwards, Jr., a retired judge for the Superior Court of California, County of San Diego. We live on Bramble Terrace in the Village of Bonita, on the Kenya golf course.
You don't have to identify yourself. I think what put people off was the posting of a very strong story and then disappearing from the thread, not answering questions. That has happened before on the forum, and it tends to make people suspicious. I now remember the story of your screen not being latched, and perhaps if you had supplied that information earlier on it would have helped people believe in your credibility.

Again, sorry about your cats.

[Jimturner]

You don't have to identify yourself. I think what put people off was the posting of a very strong story and then disappearing from the thread, not answering questions. That has happened before on the forum, and it tends to make people suspicious. I now remember the story of your screen not being latched, and perhaps if you had supplied that information earlier on it would have helped people believe in your credibility.

Again, sorry about your cats.

Hi C France.

You have great understanding of how these web sites operate or in some cases fail to represent fact. Unfortunately, some feel their way of posting should represent every poster. Some have so many posts they have became numb to the reality of the new poster and often doubt their truthfulness. I believe we should always believe others posts and intentions rather than doubting their honesty and insulting their credibility. This TOTV site is for everyone, not just the old timers.

[su2009]

Beautiful cats - I am very sorry for your loss.
We back on Churchill Greens and I have seen one coyote in five years. However he was very shy and afraid of people.
Have you seen coyotes on the Kenya Golf course after dark or during the day?
We obviously all need to be careful about these predators who seem to be growing bolder.

Thank you for your kind words. My experience with seeing coyotes on this golf course twice - once before I lost Teo, and once after - should have forewarned me of trouble to come, and I regret terribly that I did not perceive the danger.

I saw three coyotes, one large and two slightly smaller, walk down the golf course, about forty feet in from the boundary of the course, at about 8 p.m. on November 14, 2014, two months before I lost Teo. Unfortunately, I did not realize those coyotes might be a threat to a cat on a screened-in room, and after Teo disappeared January, I felt it was due to my fault in not checking to make sure the screen door had been tightly latched before I went to bed.

On August 3, 2015, about 1 p.m., my neighbor two houses up called to let me know that a coyote was making its way down the back yards of the houses on the golf course side of Bramble Terrace. As we spoke, the coyote arrived in our back yard. From the body shape, it looked like it might be a young female, as it was slender and not very heavily muscled. This coyote came up onto our patio in the daylight, stared briefly into our lanai, then moved off and sniffed carefully through the bushes in the back and next to the side of our house before moving down to the bushes in back of the house next door. It was drizzling, but coyotes have a very oily coat and she did not look even slightly wet � her ears were up and her bushy tail was full and not bedraggled at all. I called for my husband and he walked over and stared out the window at her, but she either did not see him or did not care. After a few minutes, she then left and went further down the golf course. Then she went between the sides of two houses, and I lost sight of her.

While standing on our patio, that coyote did not paw at the screen or latch or make any other effort to get into our lanai, and again, even though I had already lost Teo by then, I failed to perceive that there might be a danger to a cat on the lanai if the door was latched and all screens intact. That's the reason I wanted to let other pet owners know what just happened. It's too late for me, but at least others might have a better chance of keeping their beloved pets safe. If I'd read about animals tearing big holes in lanais to get at cats, I never would have let either cat go on the lanai without me.

[Boomer]

I wish I had made it more clear in my posts that I was trying to come to the OP's defense. I should not have been subtle. This thread went beyond cringeworthy as more and more insult was heaped upon a terrible injury.

OP, I am sorry this happened to you. All of it.

It was responsible and thoughtful of you to warn others to be more aware.

I do not know what makes some posters sometimes seem so eager to pounce. TOTV used to be a nicer place. (sigh)

[golfing eagles]

Thank you for your kind words. My experience with seeing coyotes on this golf course twice - once before I lost Teo, and once after - should have forewarned me of trouble to come, and I regret terribly that I did not perceive the danger.

I saw three coyotes, one large and two slightly smaller, walk down the golf course, about forty feet in from the boundary of the course, at about 8 p.m. on November 14, 2014, two months before I lost Teo. Unfortunately, I did not realize those coyotes might be a threat to a cat on a screened-in room, and after Teo disappeared January, I felt it was due to my fault in not checking to make sure the screen door had been tightly latched before I went to bed.

On August 3, 2015, about 1 p.m., my neighbor two houses up called to let me know that a coyote was making its way down the back yards of the houses on the golf course side of Bramble Terrace. As we spoke, the coyote arrived in our back yard. From the body shape, it looked like it might be a young female, as it was slender and not very heavily muscled. This coyote came up onto our patio in the daylight, stared briefly into our lanai, then moved off and sniffed carefully through the bushes in the back and next to the side of our house before moving down to the bushes in back of the house next door. It was drizzling, but coyotes have a very oily coat and she did not look even slightly wet � her ears were up and her bushy tail was full and not bedraggled at all. I called for my husband and he walked over and stared out the window at her, but she either did not see him or did not care. After a few minutes, she then left and went further down the golf course. Then she went between the sides of two houses, and I lost sight of her.

While standing on our patio, that coyote did not paw at the screen or latch or make any other effort to get into our lanai, and again, even though I had already lost Teo by then, I failed to perceive that there might be a danger to a cat on the lanai if the door was latched and all screens intact. That's the reason I wanted to let other pet owners know what just happened. It's too late for me, but at least others might have a better chance of keeping their beloved pets safe. If I'd read about animals tearing big holes in lanais to get at cats, I never would have let either cat go on the lanai without me.

I don't think you can fault yourself for not making a connection between seeing a coyote in November, and a potential danger to kitty on a screened in lanai in January. As an attorney, you would object "Assumes facts not in evidence"
We have/had a 16 year old black cat that has never left our yard all her life (about an acre of property) She loved being outside except when there was 5 feet of snow on the ground. She disappeared about 10 days ago, no idea of how or where. I searched the entire property and house, even the gutter of the road in case she was hit by a motorist with no sense of morality, but nothing. She has identification on her collar, but with Halloween approaching, you never know if someone wanted a black cat. I saw a red fox in our backyard about 6 months ago, but I never would have kept her inside just because I saw one, I think the situation is similar to yours. I'd like to keep hoping she'll come back, but that hope is fading. So you see I am sincerely in my sorrow for your loss

[Jimturner]

I wish I had made it more clear in my two posts above that I was trying to come to the OP's defense. I should not have been subtle. This thread went beyond cringeworthy as more and more insult was heaped upon a terrible injury.

OP, I am sorry this happened to you. All of it.

It was responsible and thoughtful of you to warn others to be more aware.

I do not know what makes some posters sometimes seem so eager to pounce. TOTV used to be fun. (sigh)

Hopefully we can learn from this and stop with comments like I'm skeptical. Hold your personal thoughts if they may be false and hurt someone. I have had threads that were misunderstood and the hurtful comments cuts pretty deep.
Once again sorry for your loved ones being taken so prematurely. I have had to put down pets at the end of their quality of life and it still hurts like hell itself.

[Fraugoofy]

I have heard of three different cats now taken from lanais in Lynnhaven alone. All in Lynnhaven and in about the same area. Near the Belmont Golf Course holes 3 and 4 but extended maybe a 500 ft radius from those points. This also includes the Churchill Downs Rec Center and the Lynnhaven Postal Center.

I have seen a coyote on the Belmont Golf Course. Golf The Villages (http://www.golfthevillages.com/executive-golf/execHome.asp?course=BELMONT) This was a few years ago at about 7:45 AM while I was walking my former dog Sport near the Lynnhaven Postal Center. The coyote ran 20 feet in front of us in a big hurry to get away from all the people on the golf course. It did surprise a lot of golfers on Belmont.

The rumors though are that it could have been a coyote or a bobcat that snatched these now three Lynnhaven cats. Three different houses have been identified to me. I do not know how accurate this information is. The only first hand account is by the Saluda Street couple in the news source which must not be named. Their cat was taken on Friday night, October 2-3, 2015.
We live in Lynnhaven and saw a coyote on Thursday night (10/1/2015) on our way home from the Square about 915pm. He ran 20 feet in front of our car. At first we thought it was a skinny dog, but then we realized it was a coyote...

[Jimturner]

I live in duval and am confronted by a coyote once or twice a week in my front yard. I don't feel threatened but if my cats were in the yard, it would be fur and blood for sure. These flea infested scavengers will kill and eat anything they can overpower like cats and children.

[CFrance]

Hopefully we can learn from this and stop with comments like I'm skeptical. Hold your personal thoughts if they may be false and hurt someone. I have had threads that were misunderstood and the hurtful comments cuts pretty deep.
Once again sorry for your loved ones being taken so prematurely. I have had to put down pets at the end of their quality of life and it still hurts like hell itself.
And I retain the right to voice skepticism whenever I feel it, whether it's further proven wrong or not. If I'm proven wrong, I'll back off. But this is a forum. People are allowed to voice their opinions, as long as they are not direct attacks. Moderators will determine and remove direct attacks.

[Bonny]

Hopefully we can learn from this and stop with comments like I'm skeptical. Hold your personal thoughts if they may be false and hurt someone. I have had threads that were misunderstood and the hurtful comments cuts pretty deep.
Once again sorry for your loved ones being taken so prematurely. I have had to put down pets at the end of their quality of life and it still hurts like hell itself.
Sorry, I know people who live on this street. I will remain skeptical. Just sayin.

[tomwed]

Call me a cynic or maybe even an anti-postite but I only trust people with a couple of hundred posts under their belt. By than you are family and you can expect that I will be teasing you or inviting you to tease me.

[dbussone]

Call me a cynic or maybe even an anti-postite but I only trust people with a couple of hundred posts under their belt. By than you are family and you can expect that I will be teasing you or inviting you to tease me.


Why don't you like the Post Office?

[tomwed]

[QUOTE=dbussone;1124372]Why don't you like the Post Office?
I miss the old stamps.
My mom used to collect S&H Green Stamps. Once a week we use to sit down together and I would lick the stamps and she would put them in the book. I think the glue did something to me.
[this story would make her laugh for hours]

[dbussone]

[QUOTE=dbussone;1124372]Why don't you like the Post Office?
I miss the old stamps.
My mom used to collect S&H Green Stamps. Once a week we use to sit down together and I would lick the stamps and she would put them in the book. I think the glue did something to me.

I agree. :jester: By the way I well remember the S&H stamps. We used to shop at the A&P which had the stamps.

[Chi-Town]

I live in duval and am confronted by a coyote once or twice a week in my front yard. I don't feel threatened but if my cats were in the yard, it would be fur and blood for sure. These flea infested scavengers will kill and eat anything they can overpower like cats and children.

Kill and eat children?

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=tomwed;1124378]

I agree. :jester: By the way I well remember the S&H stamps. We used to shop at the A&P which had the stamps.

I think A&P had Plaid stamps, shop rite had green stamps. But this is so far back it was my Mom collecting them

[tomwed]

[QUOTE=dbussone;1124381]

I think A&P had Plaid stamps, shop rite had green stamps. But this is so far back it was my Mom collecting them
Acme had S&H. My mom did not drive and she would walk to the store, push the cart home and take it back to the store. That sounds funny now. I wonder why she didn't get a little pull cart. Maybe old city people used those and she was too modern. I remember how standing on the pad and watching the door open was about as futuristic as Secaucus, NJ could get.

[dbussone]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;1124396]

Acme had S&H. My mom did not drive and she would walk to the store, push the cart home and take it back to the store. That sounds funny now. I wonder why she didn't get a little pull cart. Maybe old city people used those and she was too modern. I remember how standing on the pad and watching the door open was about as futuristic as Secaucus, NJ could get.


I recall the first escalator I ever saw as a kid scared the dickens out of me. My dad was an engineer and took me into Boston to see it.

[dbussone]

[QUOTE=dbussone;1124381]



I think A&P had Plaid stamps, shop rite had green stamps. But this is so far back it was my Mom collecting them


I really don't recall plaid stamps but you very well could be correct. Even gas stations had stamps at that time.

[tomwed]

[QUOTE=tomwed;1124398]


I recall the first escalator I ever saw as a kid scared the dickens out of me. My dad was an engineer and took me into Boston to see it.
What about the auto mat? My mom put a coin in and opened a little door and pulled out a sandwich for me.

[tomwed]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;1124396]


I really don't recall plaid stamps but you very well could be correct. Even gas stations had stamps at that time.
I remember Plaid Stamps. They were considered the other team. How silly is that?

[gerryann]

Hey, open your own thread "old geezers memories" 😄

[tomwed]

Hey, open your own thread "old geezers memories" ��
Maybe calling it a slightly greater than middle age geezer thread might be more appropriate----but I thought you might need a lighthearted break from:

flea infested scavengers [who] will kill and eat anything they can overpower like cats and children.


If you want I can sing a few bars of the "Eve of Destruction" but I guess I would be dating myself.

[gerryann]

Maybe calling it a slightly greater than middle age geezer thread might be more appropriate----but I thought you might need a lighthearted break from:

flea infested scavengers [who] will kill and eat anything they can overpower like cats and children.


So true :\

[golfing eagles]

Hey, open your own thread "old geezers memories" 😄

Hey---I'm 56, speak for yourself:1rotfl:

[rubicon]

Let me be the first, and I believe quite few should follow, to:
1) express sympathy for your loss
2) apologize for being skeptical of your story

If you re-read your post, coupled with the post from January, you might see why some doubted you. It's not an excuse, just an explanation, and again I'm sorry. It makes much more sense now that you were clear about 2 cats, and that there was evidence that the cat door/latch was the contributing factor to the 1st cat's disappearance, so you felt safe to let the 2nd cat out there with the door secure. Regarding the 2010 post describing your cat training, you must be amazing with animals. Perhaps a new animal planet network series, "the cat whisperer" is in your future.
Once again , sorry for your loss

Hi golfing eagles: You see why they call me sage on TOTV:D

[graciegirl]

Hey---I'm 56, speak for yourself:1rotfl:



Me too. I am only 75. That's the new 40.

[golfing eagles]

Hi golfing eagles: You see why they call me sage on TOTV:D

and I respect that. That and you came from a great hometown

[golfing eagles]

Me too. I am only 75. That's the new 40.

after you get your eyes done, more like 30

[Greg Nelson]

unnamed site? I know..don't ask

[Bonny]

Back in the day, the popular loyalty stamps were S&H Green Stamps, Top Value Stamps, Gold Bond Stamps & Plaid Stamps. There were others but not as well known and usually more limited in areas they were available.
Of course, along with those, were we getting all those goodies in the soap boxes, glasses, dish towels, etc.
I still have my entire set for 12 dishes I collected each week at A&P.
My last Green Stamp purchase was a griddle, one side flat and flip it over for waffles.

Oh yea, to stay on subject, I did not see a coyote yesterday.

[Taltarzac725]

I talked to a fellow Lynnhaven dogwalker named John with Buddy yesterday (Sunday) who said that the Saluda Street snatching of the cat off the lanai was probably a bobcat. However, he had seen two coyotes wandering in the same area around 2 AM when he was out with Buddy. Buddy needs to pee a lot because of a medical condition. John was able to discourage the coyotes by waving a walking stick, or something like that.

I still carry a dog whistle and four golf balls on my walks around Lynnhaven but fortunately have not seen any wildlife at night except rabbits, a possum, and feral cats.

I have never seen a bobcat in the Villages but am sure they are out there.

[Taltarzac725]

DFW Wildlife Coalition (http://www.dfwwildlife.org/bobcat.html)

A link about bobcats. A whistle and shouting should drive them away. And golf balls are very accessible here in the Villages and easy to throw.

[su2009]

We have patio furniture and outdoor rugs on our lanai and are out there often. I think coyotes are getting bolder now because no one bothers them, and that may be the reason they are now tearing through screens to invade lanais and coming out in the daytime. I hope The Villages takes action before they harm someone's little grandchild - they will attack anything small if they lose their fear of people. When we lived in San Diego, the newspaper reported that a pair of coyotes had viciously attacked and badly bitten a little girl whose mother foolishly put out dog food for coyotes, thinking she could tame them. Instead, they began to see her child as easy prey and the mother had to beat them off her child when they attacked.

Thanks again to everyone for your sympathies. Please let other pet owners know that their pets are no longer safe on lanais.

[gerryann]

We have patio furniture and outdoor rugs on our lanai and are out there often. I think coyotes are getting bolder now because no one bothers them, and that may be the reason they are now tearing through screens to invade lanais and coming out in the daytime. I hope The Villages takes action before they harm someone's little grandchild - they will attack anything small if they lose their fear of people. When we lived in San Diego, the newspaper reported that a pair of coyotes had viciously attacked and badly bitten a little girl whose mother foolishly put out dog food for coyotes, thinking she could tame them. Instead, they began to see her child as easy prey and the mother had to beat them off her child when they attacked.

Thanks again to everyone for your sympathies. Please let other pet owners know that their pets are no longer safe on lanais.

Welcome back to the forum. I hope you continue to check in once in a while. We really are a nice bunch :)
I have family in San Diego and you're right about the coyotes out there. My son has lost cats out there. His father in law (who is a veterinarian) has lost many. They just live with them, and take their chances with their animals. Personally, I couldn't do that....I would be very paranoid and extremely careful. We just have to take all precautions and stay aware of our surroundings...it's just the way it is now that we have displaced so many wild life species.
Thanks for the warning.

[Bonny]

For those who have speculated that I am not a serious person, having lost BOTH of my cats from the lanai this year: My name is Suuzen Ty Anderson; I go by Suzy. I am a California attorney with an active law license, rated AV Preeminent by Martindale-Hubbell attorneys, lawyers and law firms listed in Martindale's Attorney Directory (http://www.martindale.com/Results.aspx?ft=1&frm=freesearch&afs=suuzen%20ty%20anderson). My husband is Raymond Edwards, Jr., a retired judge for the Superior Court of California, County of San Diego. We live on Bramble Terrace in the Village of Bonita, on the Kenya golf course.
Is there a reason you felt the need to give of all this information?
Just curious.
I can't imagine going on a forum and giving this much personal information about my husband and myself to people I do not know.

[Polar Bear]

Is there a reason you felt the need to give of all this information?

Just curious.

I can't imagine going on a forum and giving this much personal information about my husband and myself to people I do not know.

Those were my thoughts.

[redwitch]

Having come from NoCal, where coyotes are extremely aggressive due to lack of food and water, I have a healthy respect for them. Howver, it seems that when food is plentiful, they do their best to avoid humans. That they would attack an animal where the human scent is strong, such as a lanai is surprising given the abundance of wildlife (rabbits and squirrels, etc.) is surprising. Not beyond the realm of possibility but definitely surprising. I would guess a bobcat to be a more likely culprit. They're pretty fearless.

BTW, for those who don't know it, it is very easy for a spooked cat to run right through a screen. Have seen it happen in TV. Once with the owner right there (vac was turned and the cat bolted right through the lanai screen). So, please don't think your cat is safe out there even if no wild animals have been spotted in your neighborhood.

I can't imagine how badly I would feel if I lost two cats from my lanai. I think I'd be looking for a new house far away from any open space. My sympathies.

[GeoGeo]

Do you know for a fact that it was a coyote? Is there evidence? Did you witness it? Being a lawyer you should know that you can't go on assumptions. I had a tiny dachshund go through our lanai screen. Sorry for your loss. Please don't put anymore cats out there on the lanai.

[rubicon]

and I respect that. That and you came from a great hometown

golfing eagles:

Indeed, the home of the last of the red hot mama's Sophie Tucker. The home of Secretary of State William H. Seward. Seward who purchased Alaska. Seward the leading proponent of the Republican Party under Abraham Lincoln. The home of Harriet Tubman founder of the under ground railroad moving hundreds of slaves north to safety and whom died and was buried there in 1913. Shall I go on there is much more:D

[rubicon]

I talked to a fellow Lynnhaven dogwalker named John with Buddy yesterday (Sunday) who said that the Saluda Street snatching of the cat off the lanai was probably a bobcat. However, he had seen two coyotes wandering in the same area around 2 AM when he was out with Buddy. Buddy needs to pee a lot because of a medical condition. John was able to discourage the coyotes by waving a walking stick, or something like that.

I still carry a dog whistle and four golf balls on my walks around Lynnhaven but fortunately have not seen any wildlife at night except rabbits, a possum, and feral cats.

I have never seen a bobcat in the Villages but am sure they are out there.

Tal: I have seen a number of bobcats one not too long ago on Del mar as I passed the gate their to go to MVP in Spanish Springs it was running from behind those townhouses. I have seen coyotes on a number of the golf courses.

My neighbors reported sightings of bobcats and coyotes through our neighborhood which is very close to Lynnhaven


I am surprised that people are surprised about the wild life here and its conflicting with The villages population because it is happening all over .

[HimandMe]

IHaving come from NoCal, where coyotes are extremely aggressive due to lack of food and water, I have a healthy respect for them. Howver, it seems that when food is plentiful, they do their best to avoid humans. That they would attack an animal where the human scent is strong, such as a lanai is surprising given the abundance of wildlife (rabbits and squirrels, etc.) is surprising. Not beyond the realm of possibility but definitely surprising. I would guess a bobcat to be a more likely culprit. They're pretty fearless.

BTW, for those who don't know it, it is very easy for a spooked cat to run right through a screen. Have seen it happen in TV. Once with the owner right there (vac was turned and the cat bolted right through the lanai screen). So, please don't think your cat is safe out there even if no wild animals have been spotted in your neighborhood.

I can't imagine how badly I would feel if I lost two cats from my lanai. I think I'd be looking for a new house far away from any open space. My sympathies.

We had bobcats all around us in SW Florida and one living in an empty lot beside our house. Some live in the woods with the many homeless there. Our cats were always in the pool cage morning until dark. The only thing that bothered them was a little squirrel that kept nattering at them. Bobcats never bothered our pets inside the cage and all the neighbors were well acquainted with the bobcats presence. We lived in harmony but when a coyote was around, it was different as they were more vicious.. We could never live in harmony with them. Now panthers are another matter, luckily there are few of them and they stay away from humans if possible.

[rubicon]

Is there a reason you felt the need to give of all this information?
Just curious.
I can't imagine going on a forum and giving this much personal information about my husband and myself to people I do not know.

Hi Bonny: Posters hounded, dare I say demanded that the OP return to this thread and explain herself. Look back at the earlier posts and you will see for yourself.

So the OP whose veracity was trampled upon does so. And because there is no other way to establish her character she identifies occupation name and address for both her husband and herself....this is who I am I have nothing to hide....................

In my view she did so because she values her word and her reputation.

Gosh its not like she cut down some environmentally protected trees or something

[golfing eagles]

golfing eagles:

Indeed, the home of the last of the red hot mama's Sophie Tucker. The home of Secretary of State William H. Seward. Seward who purchased Alaska. Seward the leading proponent of the Republican Party under Abraham Lincoln. The home of Harriet Tubman founder of the under ground railroad moving hundreds of slaves north to safety and whom died and was buried there in 1913. Shall I go on there is much more:D

Don't forget Ted Case's home, inventor of the talkies. And I live on South street right in the middle of all of thme

[golfing eagles]

Hi Bonny: Posters hounded, dare I say demanded that the OP return to this thread and explain herself. Look back at the earlier posts and you will see for yourself.

So the OP whose veracity was trampled upon does so. And because there is no other way to establish her character she identifies occupation name and address for both her husband and herself....this is who I am I have nothing to hide....................

In my view she did so because she values her word and her reputation.

Gosh its not like she cut down some environmentally protected trees or something

I agree. I did the same credential list exactly once to "win" an argument and got my head handed to me---never again. But I completely understand why she did it.

[Polar Bear]

Imo, it's never a good idea to post that much personal information, irrespective of rationale.

[kstew43]

For those who have speculated that I am not a serious person, having lost BOTH of my cats from the lanai this year: My name is Suuzen Ty Anderson; I go by Suzy. I am a California attorney with an active law license, rated AV Preeminent by Martindale-Hubbell attorneys, lawyers and law firms listed in Martindale's Attorney Directory (http://www.martindale.com/Results.aspx?ft=1&frm=freesearch&afs=suuzen%20ty%20anderson). My husband is Raymond Edwards, Jr., a retired judge for the Superior Court of California, County of San Diego. We live on Bramble Terrace in the Village of Bonita, on the Kenya golf course.

Sorry for your loss, I never doubted you as I too have seen bobcats in my travels in and around the villages. Such a shame some people here are so cruel.

You didn't owe anyone here any explainations......

[BOB HAWKINS]

Probably just a cat burglar

[Bonny]

Sorry, but I thought I would share the following post.
This is now a thread going about Bobcats in Lynnhaven.
2 cats were attacked through the screen on lanais.
Guess we now have moved to Bobcats.
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I just wanted to make everyone aware that their have been two attacks on cats in Lynnhaven. A neighbor spotted a bobcat in the area. These attacks have been at night and each cat was attacked through the screened in lanai!! Please be careful with your small animals. don't leave them unattended! If anyone knows who to call about getting rid of this bobcat, please let me know!!!

[Bonny]

Hi Bonny: Posters hounded, dare I say demanded that the OP return to this thread and explain herself. Look back at the earlier posts and you will see for yourself.

So the OP whose veracity was trampled upon does so. And because there is no other way to establish her character she identifies occupation name and address for both her husband and herself....this is who I am I have nothing to hide....................

In my view she did so because she values her word and her reputation.

Gosh its not like she cut down some environmentally protected trees or something
I guess thank you for your response to my question.
I get what you are saying.
I still just couldn't imagine telling people I don't know what my address is/was, what my job is/was or what my husband's job is/was. Especially if it's, as you say, she values her word and her reputation.

To each their own. I didn't attack, just curious.

[Barefoot]

Imo, it's never a good idea to post that much personal information, irrespective of rationale.
I agree Polar Bear. Back in 2007, when I was a newbie to Forums, I was thoroughly chastised by the former owner of TOTV for posting personal information. His concern was my safety. I've never forgotten his kind warning.

[Chi-Town]

I agree. I did the same credential list exactly once to "win" an argument and got my head handed to me---never again. But I completely understand why she did it.
I remember that. There was an entertainment factor though.

[golfing eagles]

I remember that. There was an entertainment factor though.

you have a good memory---it was back in March or April, I had forgotten it until this thread mimicked it

[Walt.]

Hi Bonny: Posters hounded, dare I say demanded that the OP return to this thread and explain herself. Look back at the earlier posts and you will see for yourself.

So the OP whose veracity was trampled upon does so. And because there is no other way to establish her character she identifies occupation name and address for both her husband and herself....this is who I am I have nothing to hide....................

In my view she did so because she values her word and her reputation.

And suddenly everyone starts talking about trading stamps. Huh?

[Barefoot]

Hey, open your own thread "old geezers memories" 😄
And suddenly everyone starts talking about trading stamps. Huh?
The old geezers have many years of experience.
They know when to lighten things up! :evil6: