Palin Off Limits??? Wow!

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I was just watching Reliable Sources and host Howard Kurtz said he received a phone call during the Republican convention. It was from the top strategist of McCains campaign. Howard Kurtz said that the caller was furious and said that Sarah Palin would not be available for one on one interviews with the mainstream press! What???

McCain and Palin already cancelled interviews on CNN. Now, she will not be available to Meet the Press or Face the Nation? This is bizarre and a slap in the face not only to the media, but to the American public.

Here's another link:

http://www.everydaycitizen.com/2008/09/gov_palin_off_limits_to_media.html

There is so little known about this woman that could be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, it boggles the mind that the McCain campaign wants to sequester her. Well, only boggles the mind if you don't take into account -- she doesn't have any answers. Then it becomes completely transparent.

Again, yet again, I think the McCain party made a major mistake here. She might have become the media's sweetheart, not just fodder for tabloid magazines. What are they thinking?

I can guarantee you Sarah Palin is cramming for the debates as we speak. Uppers anyone?

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Fortunately, she will have to FACE THE NATION during the Vice Presidential Debates.

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Chels, we must both be watching a lot of TV today, lol. I did hear McCain's campaign strategist say that she will speak with the press. They will set the time and yes, we will hear from her which is what I really want to hear. Now I would like to see the McCain/Obama debates begin... where are they?

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More allegations,

McCain said today he would release her to do interviews in a couple of days. Now they are introducing her around the republican party events. Do you think thats not fair to do first. They must be hiding her for sinister reasons huh chels?

The photo of OOOiforgot (Obama) earlier with the pretty white smile was missing one thing. That star thing that twinkles off one tooth and goes ding. Benj

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The photo of OOOiforgot (Obama) earlier with the pretty white smile was missing one thing. That star thing that twinkles off one tooth and goes ding. Benj



Not sure I get this one Benj and I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions!

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Benj, I didn't miss what you said about the tooth thing and that is just as digusting to me as sexism.

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Peachie, the debates are coming! And I can't wait either! Yeah! 040 040 040

***I'm sorry Benj, did you say McCain will "release her to do interviews"? So, great! We'll get to see what's behind Curtain #2! Bring it on!

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I agree, Chels, the time is so short and all we have is spin. I need to hear these people speak for themselves. LET THE DEBATES START NOW! :hot:

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Benj, I didn't miss what you said about the tooth thing and that is just as digusting to me as sexism.


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I figured that is what it was meant to be....but I didn't want to assume!! It is very wrong!!

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I must have missed it. Where was all the righteous indignation when ALL the Democrat presidential candidates boycotted a primary debated sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus (of which Obama is a member) because it was to be carried by Fox? I believe a comment made at the time was that Obama claimed to be able to face global terrorism but couldn't handle Britt Hume.

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Muncle, anyone can face Britt Hume! LOL I give Senator Obama credit for facing Bill O'Reilly on Fox, even though I think O'Reilly is a pinhead. ;D


(BTW, pinhead is a favorite expression of O'Reilly's, but was stolen from Letterman. :joke:)

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Facing O'Reilly......let me see....how long did it take for Obama to agree to go on FOX station I believe it was more than 12 months from the time Obama told O'Reilly that he would come on his program. 12+ months vs a few days???? Didn't the Dems boycott FOX news debate...so if the Rep. don't want to go on Left wing media now...so what.

The debates will be here soon and then everyone will be more to tear apart!!!

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meriboo, I would hardly call Meet the Press or Face the Nation, left wing media.

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If not left wing, what would you call them??? Certainly not right wing or middle of the road.

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I see some in the press have taken to calling her Saracuda. My far right wing son-in-law
loves it. He just spoke with me about his admiration for Rush and Saracuda. I love him anyway.

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Sam, tell your son-in-law that we can't wait for Saracuda to meet Joey the Shark in the debates. Biden stated he won't keep the gloves on! :bigthumbsup:

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I don't know chels, in a catfight I think she will more than hold her own. She and Guliani would have made quite a couple.
I also don't think she is nearly as smart as she thinks she is. She is very good looking and I think she has a great deal of street smarts. I do not think she is an intellectual.
I'm not putting on the flak jacket. Does anyone on this board consider her an intellectual?

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I don't think she is an intellectual. I know she'll be groomed for the debates, but those commentators have a way of throwing curve balls during Presidential debates. I personally don't think she'll be able to dodge them. Not enough experience.

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I can understand why McCain and his cronies have kept Palin away from the media. She is taking a crash course in politics, world affairs, and what a Vice-President's job is. ::) ???

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Wow, Bright, that just gave the warm fuzzies.
And Chels, I hope the commentators won't be so gaga over the novelty of Palin that they'll "give her a mulligan."

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We can only hope. Also, hope they remember how, in her first appearance, she attacked them. ;)

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I don't think she is an intellectual. I know she'll be groomed for the debates, but those commentators have a way of throwing curve balls during Presidential debates. I personally don't think she'll be able to dodge them. Not enough experience.

Who would want an intellectual for President? It's a rough world out there, and I'd rather have an alley-fighter who understands how not to lose than someone who thinks they can, with no experience in doing so, "negotiate" with some of the toughest dudes on the planet.

We had one intellectual who peacenik'd us all the way into WWII, and another pseudo-intellectual who disarmed the nation to the point where we became a target.

No, Teddy Roosevelt's "speak softly, but..." works better than all of the "we can work it out" rhetoric. If there is one thing Americans have proven over time not to do well, it's negotiating with other cultures. We always expect them to follow our rules of negotiation, and usually end up with nothing but the bill (remember the Camp David accords?)

Intellectualism is best left for the ivy-covered halls of deep thinking. It's an academic exercise not well suited for the rough-and-tumble international politics world.

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Who would want an intellectual for President? It's a rough world out there, and I'd rather have an alley-fighter who understands how not to lose than someone who thinks they can, with no experience in doing so, "negotiate" with some of the toughest dudes on the planet.

We had one intellectual who peacenik'd us all the way into WWII, and another pseudo-intellectual who disarmed the nation to the point where we became a target.

No, Teddy Roosevelt's "speak softly, but..." works better than all of the "we can work it out" rhetoric. If there is one thing Americans have proven over time not to do well, it's negotiating with other cultures. We always expect them to follow our rules of negotiation, and usually end up with nothing but the bill (remember the Camp David accords?)

Intellectualism is best left for the ivy-covered halls of deep thinking. It's an academic exercise not well suited for the rough-and-tumble international politics world.


If that is the case....perhaps I can run!! I am one tough chic! ;)

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I, personally, would want an intellectual for President. It would be a refreshing change.
Ooops, did I say Change??? Yes, I did. ;D

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I can't speak for intellectuals in the race for President, however I can you from first hand experience in corporate America....where a so called intellectual was either CEO, COO or President the companies suffered from paralysis of analysis. They NEVER able to jump into the fray and LEAD. They had to have too much information...needed to study it far too long and usually found rationale for not rocking the boat. They did NOT have the moxie so to speak to analyze and assess QUICKLY and the do what had to be done. I mean each and every company that had a problem in the everyday competitive environment they just could not and did not perform.

So I am always interested in knowing, relative to politics, just what is it in an intellectual VS one deemed not to be that is supposed to be an advantage?

I suggest perhaps finding a mutually agreed upon definition of "intellectual" before segregating which is or is not.
I don't think it matters one bit in politics.....THEY ARE POLITICIANS first and foremost.

I will take an action oriented, make it happen person each and every time....generally speaking with no implication to what ever their party affiliation may be.

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I, personally, would want an intellectual for President. It would be a refreshing change.
Ooops, did I say Change??? Yes, I did. ;D

Then perhaps one day this century an intellectual will run for office. Right now there isn't one at all. The candidates for president are:

1) a lawyer (law license inactive since 2002 and not currently authorized to practice law) who was a law professor (Consitutional Law); member of the board of directors for various non-governmental organizations specializing in civil-rights activities; practicing attorney (associate) for three years in a firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development; served as a consultant to and employee for various community organizing entities; and served within the Illinois Senate and US Senate (current).

2) a career Naval officer who, as selected examples of his experience as a US Senator, voted to confirm Justices Ginsberg and Breyer to the USSC bench; worked with the Clinton administration on its anti-tobacco efforts; co-sponsored comprehensive immigration reform (with Sen. Kennedy (D)); sponsored the McCain Detainee Amendment to the Defense Appropriations bill for 2005 which prohibited inhumane treatment of prisoners, including prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, by confining military interrogations to the techniques in the U.S. Army Field Manual on Interrogation; and with Sen Feingold (D) got legislation passed which resulted in campaign finance reform in effect today.

I have not noted any "intellectual activities" by either candidate, as none of their publications indicate any particular intellectual pursuit (nothing involving detailed research and analysis), but instead lean toward leadership, motivation, political strategy and self-accomplishment.

Neither gentleman would ever be confused with a Baron Martin Rees, Professor Amos Oz, Judge Richard Posner, or Pope Benedict XVI - all true intellectuals.

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OK, one on side we have candidates that are described as non-intellectuals. I might say that doesn't mean not really, really smart. Obama wasn't chosen to head the Harvard Law Review because he was a dummy! And even though McCain finished very near the bottom of his class at Annapolis, they don't give degrees from that place just because your father and grandfather wore lots of stars on their shoulder boards. He was smart enough to learn how to pilot a complicated fighter jet and navigate many years in the Congress. I'd say both of our candidates, while maybe not intellectuals, are plenty smart enough to be the next President.

This morning, as I watched our current President address the Army War College, I thought that here is a man that is either no where near a smart as his educational credentials might suggest...or somehow has became an idealogue committed to very narrow and very conservative objectives, at the expense of completely ignoring any effort to provide leadership to our country and the world. It's been on his watch that we've gone a long, long way towards damaging many of the national strengths that existed when he took office.

As I watched our current President's address I thought--wouldn't it have been great if he had conducted his administration in a way to address many of the serious problems facing our nation and not just what he calls the "war on terror". For almost eight years his entire administration has been based on the idealogy of planting a democracy in the middle east, using the war on terror as a cover story. In the meantime domestic issues have gone unaddressed, the economy has been permitted to implode, we've become the biggest debtor nation in history, our dollar has sunk to an unimaginable low value, we have lost almost all the respect from the rest of the world that existed at the beginning of his term, Americans have woefully low confidence in what the future holds for them and their families, and our children's educations are sagging in an increasingly competitive world. Even more maddening are those who call themselves our leaders. Too many of them--way too many--have been proven to be little more than self-agrandizing crooks or idealogues with little interest in the national good.

I'm not worried that either of our candidates aren't intellectual enough. I'm satisfied that they're plenty smart enough for the job. And if we can believe what they are saying while campaigning...a big question, certainly...either will certainly be more effective in addressing a broad array of national problems and may begin to precipitate the changes our country needs. As important, maybe one or the other will begin to repair the flaws in our national character and morality that seems to have overtaken those that still call themselves our leaders--and that includes way too many of the people that head both the executive and legislative branches of our current government.

Our candidates are smart enough, for sure. I can only pray that one or the other can provide the national leadership that has been so sorely lacking for so long.

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??? Sara Plain and her husband were (and still may be) members of a group that advocates for Alaska to secede from the UNITED STATES. Should this person be a heartbeat away from president????
She lied in her speech about selling the official plane on EBAY. It was sold to an oil executive at a $600,000 loss to the tax payers of Alaska.
She also billed the state for perdiem (away from home on official state business)while she was at home.
She also was in support of the bridge to noware until it was made public and it was convenient to be against it. Oh by the way, she kept most of the money for her other pet earmarks.

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The photo of OOOiforgot (Obama) earlier with the pretty white smile was missing one thing. That star thing that twinkles off one tooth and goes ding. Benj



Just in case anyone is still wondering, it's called an Ethnic Slur.

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Benj Said "The photo of OOOiforgot (Obama) earlier with the pretty white smile was missing one thing. That star thing that twinkles off one tooth and goes ding." Benj

This has to be one of the worst comments on this board.

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Chelsa, I've been following your posts for some time. We get it, you are pro democrat. I also have a hard time taking you seriously. You once stated that you wouldn't feel comfortable with Obama as president because he seems a little naive and although many call him a suit full of hope you stated you think our world is in too precarious position to only rely on hope. My, my, how your opinion has changed and BTW you use that phrase (in my opinion) a lot. You also stated you for one cannot tolerate more years of the same. Just what does that mean? It wasn't long ago you stated you weren't going to post in the political forum anymore, that lasted one day and since then you are approaching 150 posts on the political forums alone. It appears your thoughts and or opinions are subject to change without notice. You have attacked everyone who has an opinion that don't agree with yours and you make sure to get the last shot in. Some of us would like to see some credibility in the political forums and by your many, many responses IMHO yours is in question. You told another poster to get a grip. My I suggest you heed your own advice. This is just my opinion and I should be able to express my opinion once seeing how many time you have expressed yours in this forum.

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Just in case anyone is still wondering, it's called an Ethnic Slur.


Hey punkpup' You wouldnt know an ethnic slur if it hit you. By the way on fox today they had a pic of Biden and had that little star glint on one of his teeth and the ding. Great minds think alike.
Someone will have to tell them they were making an ethnic slur huh? Benj

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Kahuna President Bush, also, learned how to fly a complicated fighter jet. Guess he's not so dumb.

If Clinton hadn't ignored every terrorist attack, during his administration, Bush wouldn't have had to spend so much time trying to keep us safe. Don't forget Clinton was offered bin Laden three times on a silver platter. He refused everytime. How different things would have been if 911 had never happened.

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Armyone, quite frankly, I don't give a rat's behind whether you take me seriously or not. I noticed you joined just about a month ago. Please don't tell me you've spent that entire month (or perhaps earlier as a lurker) watching MY posts. You should be listening to the candidates on the issues, but it appears your mind is made up too.

I don't remember posting that I ever thought Senator Obama was a suit full of hope, however, since I, did, indeed start out as a Hillary supporter, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. As I listened to the candidates more and more, long before the primary, I fully and firmly became an Obama supporter. I believe that's what the RNC calls "evolving."

When I say we can't tolerate 4 more years of the same, I don't think that sentence is too complicated to figure out. I believe that McCain will continue to follow the same old Bush mentality.

As far as my not posting in political, yes, I did indeed say that. Then some people pm'd me and asked that I not stop posting. And even though their opinions might differ from mine, they liked a good debate. You can look up the word "debate" when you take a break from reading my posts.

Attacks work both ways. I've been continually slammed in the political forum, but I don't take it personally. Politics gets heated. It is not for the immature. If you don't like my posts, why are you so obsessed with them?

Yes, I use "in my opinion" a lot. That's because what I'm posting is only "my opinion". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

I've said it before and I'll say it to you "Get a Grip!" Now perhaps you'd like to say something on a candidate or issue, because, ya see, I'm not running for President. But in the meantime, I'll leave you with this . . .

OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT! 040 040 040 (In my opinion! ;D)

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IMHO I can see you have a problem with reality. I don't need to preach to everyone who my candidate is, I can make a n intelligent decision without your help. It is very apparent by your posts that everyone but you needs to get a grip. Don't worry, you won't hear from me again, unlike you, I do have a grip on reality and have the ability to make decisions without having someone trying to sell me on something I don't need. I did my homework because I thought I could remember your change of opinion and I was correct. Good luck with your version of what life should be.

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To defend President Bush's single-minded governance, focused solely on what he calls the war on terror, because of Bill Clinton's actions or inactions is laughable. In eight years Bush's leadership has accomplished nothing to begin to address a variety of worsening issues facing the country and which will now face his successor.

Was he smart enough to learn to fly a jet while in the National Guard? Yes. But in worlds that most modern women and mothers will understand, has he been able to multi-task--providing leadership on more than one issue? Absolutely not.

He's now referred to as a lame duck. History will likely record his presidency as simply lame. I'm ashamed that I was taken in by his false campaign rhetoric and voted for him the first time.

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont go away.

Today I have seen more Conservative posts and It has raised my spirits that there are more than the few of us here to defend our points of view. As I said it's the loud and angry left who try to dominate this forum and it may be working based on the comments that people dont want to join the fray because of the name calling by the libs. It's important to show the differences between us .

PLEASE PLEASE stay and join us we can be an army of many. Thanks for your post.

Anyone seen OOOwhereami?? Benj

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IMHO I can see you have a problem with reality. I don't need to preach to everyone who my candidate is, I can make a n intelligent decision without your help. It is very apparent by your posts that everyone but you needs to get a grip. Don't worry, you won't hear from me again, unlike you, I do have a grip on reality and have the ability to make decisions without having someone trying to sell me on something I don't need. I did my homework because I thought I could remember your change of opinion and I was correct. Good luck with your version of what life should be.


Just for the record, I never tried to help you make a decision. I didn't even know you existed until today!

Also, I live in the real world. In the real world, in fact in this country, people cannot afford health care. In the real world, people are starving. In the real world, thousands are losing their houses. In the real world, our young men and women are dying for an undeclared war. In the real world, we are virtually owned by China. In the real world, we are completely reliant on foreign oil. In the real world, we are practically standing alone, many allies have forsaken us. Finally, in the real world, with all of this looming over us, I don't want a 72 year old man and a some woman from Alaska that repeats the same speech ad nauseam, to even try to approach this issues. In the real world, I'm voting for Senator Obama. But I guess you know that. And now, I'll get a grip!

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont go away.

Today I have seen more Conservative posts and It has raised my spirits that there are more than the few of us here to defend our points of view. As I said it's the loud and angry left who try to dominate this forum and it may be working based on the comments that people dont want to join the fray because of the name calling by the libs. It's important to show the differences between us .

PLEASE PLEASE stay and join us we can be an army of many. Thanks for your post.

Anyone seen OOOwhereami?? Benj


Benj! 1rnfl Spoken like a true name caller!

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kahuna

I dont know, maybe you slept through GW's presidency. Thank God you dont get to write history.
What about 7 years of outstanding economy. How about having someone there to protect our backsides. The Unemployment rate historically low. That RICH the dirty RICH paying more than in Clintons term. That we have a pres that brings honor and dignity and say GOD Bless America and mean it. That there is no hanky-panky in the oval office. That sticking with our policies has moved countries like Germany France Italy and Canada to the right lowering taxes and even talking flat tax. Signed Two Tax cuts. Is spending 30 to 50 billion in Africa to eradicate AIDS. Killed the KYOTO treaty. Appointed two CONSERVATIVE Supremes, ( remember you almost lost your gun rights). Gave our people a drug benefit we didnt have. Dismanteled the Nukes in Korea. Tried to fix SS.

Sorry thats all I can think of off the top of my head.
Seems to multi task to me.
Have you seen OOOshouldhavepickedhillary?? Benj

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Was George Bush perfect...heck no...but for EIGHT years the platform, the entire platform, of what the Democratic party has stood for is one thing...we hate President Bush.

That is it..they have done nothing but spend all their time politicing and talking hate of George Bush.....now, they have a candidate with no background, nothing but giveaways to buy votes, and still harp on the same thing. We get it...you hate George Bush..you have called him names, mocked him as President while getting elected in 2006 and those you elected did your bidding...they have done NOTHING but talk about President Bush.

I can point out a lot of things that I would have done differently than President Bush, and can with every President...this harrangue for 8 years is all the Democrats have....nothing else !

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benj

Excuse me but I would kindly ask you to lighten up on your ethnic slur comments. I usually wear a hard shell but when you start throwing jabs about ethnicity I become offended. I kindly ask you to be more respectful.

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Could you tell me what you are referring to? Benj

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benj

Excuse me but I would kindly ask you to lighten up on your ethnic slur comments. I usually wear a hard shell but when you start throwing jabs about ethnicity I become offended. I kindly ask you to be more respectful.


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The dictionary says ethnic is relating to racial or cultural issues. My post relates to character issues. And I cant think how you could try to make it an ethnic issue except you libs try to make everything a racial or cultural issue. You brought up race not me. I'm not sure I ever saw any other ethnic person with the little twinlly thing on one of his teeth like you assert. Today on fox they had a pic of Biden with that cute little twinkly thing and the ding. So they must be making fun of Bidens race or culture. It's always the dems who bring up race . Get over it, we have.

OOOwhydipickbiden??? Benj

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Hey punkpup' You wouldnt know an ethnic slur if it hit you.... Benj


And this was made in reference to character? I'd like to hear what Punkpup thinks about this statement of yours!

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Hey Benj,

You may have missed it, but President Bush's disapproval rating currently stands at 69%. That is, 69% of the people surveyed disapprove of the job he's doing as President. This is the highest level of disapproval of any president in the history of the Gallup Poll.

Somebody out there besides me thinks he's doing (and has done) a lousy job. I'm guessing that among the disapprovers there may even be a historian or two who will soon be writing about his administration.

No, I haven't been sleeping. But I also haven't simply bought in to the message of the day put out by Karl Rove and his associates who believe that if you keep telling the public the message you want them to hear, eventually they'll believe it. With almost 7 out of 10 Americans disapproving of the job Bush has done and the message being put out by the spinmeisters telling us the Bush 41 loves us and has kept us safe for 7 years...someone has to be wrong!

I'm with the majority.

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I'm with the majority too. The bigger majority that gives the congress an even lower approval rating. I guess the majority think more of GW than the democratically controlled congress.

I am happy for the historians to rate the BUSH presidency as apposed to for instance the Clinton debacle.

Say what you want 7 years, no attack.

anyone seen OOOnotsarahno... Benj

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benj I was thinking the same thing. Compared to Congress he's doing great. Anyone who had the Dems and media (one and the same) bashing them day in and day out would have dismal rating.

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That would make sense if Bush has not "promised to Veto" anything that came across his desk. Time to take the trash out of the Whitehouse.

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That would make sense if Bush has not "promised to Veto" anything that came across his desk. Time to take the trash out of the Whitehouse.

And I hope he vetoes every bill coming out of Congress that does not pass via a super-majority. No single party, since there are too many internal payoffs within, should dictate what's "good" for America. that's what bipartisanship is all about. If there is bipartisan agreement (not unanimous agreemet) on the merits of legislation, then it has some hope for the country. Otherwise, it's just "pork."

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I thought "The Trash" left the White House on Jan. 21st, 2001! 8)

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Time to take the trash out of the Whitehouse.

Wow chels another example of progressive fair minder thought.
Take the trash out??

This a great example of Libs and Dems thought process. If they cant win with reasoned common sense, They resort to name calling, swearing and acting just like cry babys.

Any one on tv want to scold chels or do libs get a pass??

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Any one on tv want to scold chels or do libs get a pass??
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I, for one, have pointed out a number of times that she rarely posts anything without a personal slight to either a poster or a Republican...pretty standard fare for her !

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http://re3.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/25/m1/1868746638

Let's lighten up a little!

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whether your a repub or dem, I hope all people here on tv realize that voting democratic gets you the kind of people Chelsea represents. The loud and angry crowd who call names , swear at you if you dont agree with them, dont care what the truth is, makes snied remarks if you have enough stomach to argue with them. No reasonable discussion of issues just mean spirited look down your nose elitism IMHO

I too think it's time to take the trash (dems) out.. Benj

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http://re3.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/25/m1/1868746638

Let's lighten up a little!

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TRAVEL......I would agree with you. Political discussion can be harsh..it is by nature, adversary.

However, you can discuss political issues or candidates with common deceny. There is no reason to make snide comments about posters nor candidates or their families. I am sure that anyone who gets involved in this kind of discussion (political) may have slipped up and erred in that situation. My post, can only speak to myself, is the consistency of it by certain posters...that simple.

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whether your a repub or dem, I hope all people here on tv realize that voting democratic gets you the kind of people Chelsea represents. The loud and angry crowd who call names , swear at you if you dont agree with them, dont care what the truth is, makes snied remarks if you have enough stomach to argue with them. No reasonable discussion of issues just mean spirited look down your nose elitism IMHO

I too think it's time to take the trash (dems) out.. Benj


benj

Hey...wait a minute! Look in the mirror! You bash Chels but don't recognize the hatefulness, rudeness, loudness, angriness, refusal to accept other's opinions, and snide remarks you make? What makes you holier than thou?

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Birds of a feather.


OOOorielykickedmybut... Benj

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Benj, I look forward to the day you meet chels in person. She is funny, smart, kind and she is my dear friend. If you were here and needed a hand, she would be right there for you.

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Benj, I look forward to the day you meet chels in person. She is funny, smart, kind and she is my dear friend. If you were here and needed a hand, she would be right there for you.
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I am sure what you say is true..however it still seems she cannot post without a personal remark either to a poster or a candidate...both of which she would be the first to condemn if it happened to her.

I have said it before to her and dont like talking publicly about a poster thus I am done with this, but you said the exact same thing to me awhile back when she came after me and it does not alter the fact of what she does

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I wouldn't expect anything different. Maybe you dont believe me but I look forward to meeting her. I hold no grudges and have no ill will for anyone. If you cant take a joke lifes a b...

I usually respond to posts rather than start them. She is entitled to her opinion and me mine. We simply have a different vision of the future, thats all. And besides she is as spunky as me. ( thats a compliment ) Benj

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You know...it's kinda funny.

Here in TOTV we get our panties (briefs) in a wad but when we meet in person it's so different.

I can attest to that...I met gfmucci and thought he was absolutely the nicest man I'd ever met...but...but...but...you couldn't have convinced me prior to our meeting based on his posts.

gfmucci... :#1:

By the way...where is he? Have not seen him here in a long time and can't find his name on the member's list! :(

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Benj, I look forward to the day you meet chels in person. She is funny, smart, kind and she is my dear friend. If you were here and needed a hand, she would be right there for you.

Sam is right. Chels has become a dear friend to me also. She is everything Sam says and more! I also can't help but be feisty about things near and dear to my heart, just like Chels and others. I am seldom if ever loud and angry, but sometimes I should be, so here goes, CALM DOWN ! 7 years ago tomorrow, America was attacked. We should unite as we did that day. Can we give our debate a rest until after tomorrow? I am.

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RR, that's the best suggestion yet! Let's remember how united we were not that long ago.

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Amen to that.

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Here is my 2 cents worth...

Chels is my good friend, too. I can't say I always agree with her but I don't always agree with any friend I have. That is what makes me an individual with a mind of my own.

Whether I agree with Chels or not is not the issue. It's whether I can put my opinions aside and accept, value, respect, and love her for who she is. And, I do!!!! No questions asked!!!! Hands down.

Chels is a caring, giving, loving lady whom I am proud to say I am friends with (yes, I ended this sentence with a preposition...pffft...who cares).

I lub ya Chels.

Back off benj...arf, arf

UNITED WE STAND

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Way to go Rokinr...
Even the candidates are suspending campaigns for 9/11

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Wow, talk about friends! I honestly have the best! Even when I don't know I'm getting slammed, you gals are coming to my defense. I'm very, very touched. And I love each and everyone of you. Oh boy, my soft underbelly is showing in Political of all places! :o

Sam, Bright, Ronda and Trav. I can't hug you enough! (((Big Hugs))) http://www.millan.net/minimations/toolminis/bearhugs.gif (http://www.millan.net)


Ronda, I agree. Let's put it all aside until after tomorrow at the very least. You know my favorite commercial was when they showed a neighborhood street and said something directly to the terrorist like "You thought you would change America . . . And you did!" Then they showed the same neighborhood street and every house had a flag in front of it. I cried every time I saw that. Does anyone remember that one?

I know one thing. We might not all love one another in the Political Forum, or the other's views -- But we all love America! I never doubted that.

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Group Hug!

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Ronda....jsut read this post....you are thinking just like me....I posted a new topic about a day of silence as welll.....then came on here and read your note!

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It was not my intention to be writing about Sarah Palin, since everyone with a laptop, a No. 2 pencil or a red crayon seems to be covering that beat. But then came the pundits:

"She's a populist," gushed Karl Rove on Fox TV. Weird, since this right-wing political slime and corporate whore loathes, demonizes, mocks, fears and tries to destroy real populists.

"Perfect populist pitch," beamed CBS analyst Jeff Greenfield right after Palin's big speech at the GOP fawnfest in St. Paul. In his less infatuated moments, Greenfield surely must realize how ludicrous his comment was, since once, long ago, he co-authored a book that had "populist" in the title, so he has at least had a brush with the authentic people's movement that the term encapsulates.

So they made me do it. Karl, Jeff and other pundits who are rushing to place the gleaming crown of populism atop the head of this shameless corporate servant -- they are the ones who have driven me to write about Palin. Someone has to nail the media establishment for its willing perversion of language, American history and the substance of today's genuine populism.

Palin might be popular, she might be able to field dress a moose, she might live in a small town, she might enjoy delivering "news flashes" to media elites, she might even become vice president -- but none of this makes her a populist. To the contrary, she is to populism what bear is to beer, only not as close.

You want a taste of the real thing? Try this from another woman who hailed from a town (smaller than Wasilla, Alaska) and was renowned for her political oratory:


Wall Street owns the country. It is no longer a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, but a government of Wall Street, by Wall Street and for Wall Street. ... Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. ...

There are thirty men in the United States whose aggregate wealth is over one and one-half billion dollars. There are half a million looking for work. ... We want money, land and transportation. We want the abolition of the National banks, and we want the power to make loans direct from the government. We want the accursed foreclosure system wiped out. ... We will stand by our homes and stay by our firesides by force if necessary, and will not pay our debts to the loan-shark companies until the Government pays its debts to us.

The people are at bay, let the bloodhounds of money who have dogged us thus far beware.
That, my media friends, is populism. It comes from Mary Ellen Lease, who was speaking to the national convention of the populist party in Topeka, Kan., in 1890. In a time before women could vote, Lease traveled the countryside to rally a grassroots revolt against the corporate predators of her day, urging farmers to "raise less corn and more hell." She didn't need to brag that she was a pit bull in lipstick, because her message, idealism and actions made her an actual force for change.

America has been blessed with populist women ever since, including such honest and insistent voices as Ida Tarbell, Mother Jones, Dorothy Day, Rosa Parks, Rachel Carson, Karen Silkwood, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Barbara Ehrenreich and Granny D. Measure Sarah Palin against these.

Populism was and is a ground-level, democratic movement with the guts and gumption to go right at the moneyed elites. It is unabashedly class-based, confronting the Rockefellers on behalf of the Littlefellers. To be a populist is to challenge the very structure of corporate power that is running roughshod over workers, consumers, the environment, small farmers, poor people, the middle class -- and America's historic ideals of economic fairness, social justice and equal opportunity for all.

"Populist" is not an empty political buzzword that can be attached to someone like Palin, whose campaigns (lieutenant governor, governor and now Veep) are financed and even run by the lobbyists and executives of Big Oil, Wall Street bankers, drug companies, telecom giants and other entrenched economic interests.

Populists don't support opening our national parks and coastlines to allow the ExxonMobils to take publicly owned oil and sell it to China. Palin does. Populists favor a windfall profits tax on oil companies that are robbing consumers at the pump while milking taxpayers for billions of dollars in subsidies. Palin doesn't. Populists don't hire corporate lobbyists to deliver a boatload of earmarked federal funds, then turn around and claim to be a heroic opponent of earmarks. Palin did. Populists favor shifting more of America's tax burden from the middle class to the superwealthy, while opposing another huge tax giveaway for corporations. Palin doesn't and doesn't.

Another thing populists don't do is sneer at community organizers, as Palin did in her nationally televised coming-out party. Indeed, populists of old were community organizers, as are today's. They work in communities all across our great land, putting in long days at low pay to help empower ordinary folks who are besieged by the avarice and arrogance of Palin's own corporate backers. Since the governor likes to put her fundamental Christianity on political display, she might give some thought to a new bumper sticker that expresses a bit of Biblical populism: "Jesus was a community organizer while Pontius Pilate was governor."

Environmental justice groups, ACORN, living wage campaigns, the Bus Project, clean water efforts, union organizing drives, PIRG, Fighting Bob Fest, Jobs with Justice, Apollo Alliance, United Students Against Sweatshops, the Evangelical Environmental Network, clean election initiatives, stopping mountaintop removal, USAction, community supported agriculture, Campus Progress, local business alliances, Citizens Trade Campaign, Wellstone Action -- these are but a few of those doing terrific community organizing today. They embody the vitality of modern populism, doing the essential grunt-level work of democracy.

What gives Palin any legitimacy to denigrate that? She embraces none of these causes, instead supporting the rich and powerful whom grassroots folks are having to battle. She's a plutocrat, not a populist. Big difference.

By Jim Hightower, AlterNet

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Jim, In simpler terms, I do not think she is remotely capable of being the leader of the free world. THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. I do not take the Lord's name in vain, but I say to you "Good God, People... This is not a popularity contest. She could be the leader of the free world." I pray the novelty wears off and she steps out of the picture but I do not think her ego and thirst for power will allow it.

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Just curious SAMHASS...what makes Sen Obama so much more capable ?

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Bucco, I wish I had the time but more importantly the inclination to explain it to you. I don't like any of them. We are trying to swallow the pill that is least bitter. Ron Paul was my man.
Guess he wasn't handsome enough to be leader of the free world. I voted for Romney because I knew Ron Paul had no chance and I sure did not want McCain. :'(

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Bucco, I wish I had the time but more importantly the inclination to explain it to you. I don't like any of them. We are trying to swallow the pill that is least bitter. Ron Paul was my man.
Guess he wasn't handsome enough to be leader of the free world. I voted for Romney because I knew Ron Paul had no chance and I sure did not want McCain.
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But the ONLY person you come on here and say "I do not think she is remotely capable of being the leader of the free world." I may not argue with you a lot on that..but a bit...but to me personally, Sen Obama is not even remotely qualified, personally or idealogy wise. Since he has been fighting the battle with Sen Clinton for so long we got used to him, but THAT IS NOT EXPERIENCE.

Again, it is a matter of opinion but she is the only one you have made that statement about !

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Junglejim,

I'll bet you like to read very long books too.
That you use Paul krugman and Jim Hightower to buttress your so called fair and balanced opinions says all that needs to be said.
And organizations like ACORN as doing terrific community organizing. I think they have been sued pretty much every where they "organize", they will register anyone even the dead. All for dems of corse.
Anyway do you have any original thoughts of your own?, or do you have to quote some lefty blog, or left wing article you lifted somewhere? Can you make a sentence without pointing to some liberal website for conformation on your thoughts? Just wondering.

have you heard OOOiwantoforceone lately? Benj

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SAMHASS made a point of saying that Gov Palin was not remotely quallified to be the leader of the free world...she does not say that about any of the others. Found an interesting article on NPR...hope we can all agree it is rather neutral....it does not make a case for either person..Sen Obama or Gov Palin in my opinion but makes for interesting reading....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94526145