The Issue is McCain!

[Guest]

Let's get back to the real issue . . . John McCain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I

Think about it.

[Guest]

The real issue is us against the entire Washington establishment. They are breaking down our government and I want it fixed. They are all guilty.

[Guest]

Out of context snips and clips cut and pasted to make a story come out the way the sender wants to spin it.....about as valid as the cut and paste photo shop picture editing that today can show anybody, anywhere, with anybody, doing anything depending on the spin the sender wants to put forth....not real....not authentic...fantasy.
The fact that some of what is present may in fact been said or happened, it is the out of context aspect, with no continuity that makes it fantasy.

And a possible oooopps...i.e. bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran....like most people I thought it was pretty funny....that's what it was meant to be.
The partisan microscope is unforgiving, no mater the subject

Yes I know both sides do it....can anyone forget they are politicians first...knowing how to shift gears, change faces or what ever else is required to get one more vote....both sides...plain and simple.
My tuppence.

BTK

[Guest]

BTK, can you honestly, honestly say there is "no truth" to any of this?

Also, I don't think the "Bomb Iran" song was funny at all. I think that McCain is a war monger and would just love to get us into Iran.

But, I do agree that all sides shift gears quickly. Thank you for your tuppence! ;)

[Guest]

I watched your videos. The pictures in this ad speak louder than the video and the words that punctuate it. Enjoy the photos, there are some you may have never seen before.

http://www.jeffhead.com/palin/

The young man made this video to explain his vote. While you may be tempted to stop it before it ends...I urge anyone viewing it to watch the conclusion.

http://www.searchme.com/index.html#/&pi=0/&stack=18fd0/&vs=stacksState/

My two cents for balance.

[Guest]

Chelsea, I said in my post some of what is presented may be true....however when items are taken out of context one never knows what was said before or after the chosen clip, is always suspicious.

Cabo35; excellent. These are stories we will never see on main stream media. There are many to see and hear when one seeks out a real service person....main stream media rarely, I mean RARELY will ever present the troops aspect of what is going on there. Yes it is a political message. That aside his view of the situation is the real chest popper!

BTK

[Guest]

BTK, can you honestly, honestly say there is "no truth" to any of this?

Also, I don't think the "Bomb Iran" song was funny at all. I think that McCain is a war monger and would just love to get us into Iran.

But, I do agree that all sides shift gears quickly. Thank you for your tuppence! ;)

I thought the song was a riot!

It's so easy to call a person who has been in combat and/or a military careerist a "war mongerer," but that moniker is far from accurate. Military folk are the LAST to want war, as they know from first-hand experience the hell, panic, terror, fear, pain, suffering (then and later) and loss better than anyone miles away trying to vicariously "feel" in the comfort of their living room and the fridge an arm's length away.

It is especially easy for someone who never has had the "joys of combat" to misunderstand the concept of "being ready and willing" as compared to "seeking battle." usually it's the diplomats who throw their hands in the air and say, "this requires a military solution," where the military folk will keep seeking a diplomatic solution because they know all-too-well what that "military solution" means in lives, limbs, minds and souls.

If one looks at the music and films of WWII, there were many that promoted the "bombing back to the Stone Age) solution as the way to go.

Oh yes, and if the song offended the Iranians, tough! I can still remember the 444 days from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981.

[Guest]

And some of us took great pleasure in painting a poigniant messages to the reciever of the munition we were preparing to drop on their :edit:. I am sure that would be frowned upon....but only by the minority (not race).

BTK

[Guest]

Please don't compare WWII to this mess Bush got us into. It's just won't fly.

[Guest]

Please don't compare WWII to this mess Bush got us into. It's just won't fly.

What is peculiar is that an entire United Nations, our real allies, the entire Congress and the administration all saw Iraq for what it was, and did, and was continuing to do, and was poised to do, and what it threatened to do - and that's what caused the US action. To continue to try to make this like "King George W." got into this all by his little self just is not even close to accurate. There was a lot of people involved in this, many of whom for political expediency now try to hide their then-hearty endorsement. ALL of the House and Senate intelligence committee members had the same access as the administration to all of the classified information available, and the clamoring for action was bipartisan.

By the way, Pres. Bush didn't write the "Bomb Iran" lyrics, but whoever did had a flair for parady. it was one of the few paraphrasings of a hit song into a political ditty that I truly enjoyed, as most others are just nasty character assassinations.

[Guest]

I never said Bush wrote those lyrics and as for the war in Iraq, as Truman once said "The buck stops here!"

[Guest]

as Truman once said "The buck stops here!"
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On this you are absolutely correct and 100% on target !!!

To STEVEZ's point, something inside me has wanted the administration to "let it all hang out" on this issue and talk more, but then my common sense tells me that it would not be the best for the country.

But you are right.....top man is the guy who will always get the heat !!!

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I never said Bush wrote those lyrics and as for the war in Iraq, as Truman once said "The buck stops here!"

And he, a Democrat, was right - even when that "right" meant dropping atomic bombs on the Japanese mainland and later going into some Asian peninsula on the other side of the planet where there were darned little in the way of what constitutes as "US interests" other than the protection of a fledgling attempt at democracry from becoming enveloped into totalitarianism.

Vietnam, Korea and WWII were all initiated and maintained during Democratic administrations. At the time (and throughout until closure) these were "right" decisions in spite of not being popular and the cost.

An interesting question would have been whether Al Gore, or even Barack Obama would have made different decisions regarding Iraq and Afghanistan based on all the information (especially that which the public never sees on the evening news) at hand at that time and now (and there is a LOT which the public never sees). If they follow in the ideological footsteps of Presidents Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy and Johnson - or even President Clinton for the Bosnian/Serbian and Somolian situations, the answer is "very highly doubtful."

[Guest]

The real question isnt what would Gore or Obama do with Iraq? it should be what would they do for us? i am so sick and tired of hearing all the mccain will do this for Iraq, he was a POW, he served his country and so on..... i served my country in the CORPS!! was in GULF deal in 91. we are wrong for being there now, never should have to begin with. We liberated Kuwait then. we are killing our own now.... We need a change and need it now. we waste more time on deciding if this candidate is salty enough to decide on military actions against iraq or iran. Heck we are killing our own country. What about this. The Govenment mandates your kids must go to school.. most of the schools are invested with drugs and gangs. If you dont send your kids to school you go to jail. so why are we not making the Government take action on the schools?

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so why are we not making the Government take action on the schools?

Because "we" are the government, not "them." If that's what "we" want, then "we" must make it happen and not expect "the government" like it's some sort of overseer-creature not controlled by humans to just do something.

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The real question isnt what would Gore or Obama do with Iraq? it should be what would they do for us? i am so sick and tired of hearing all the mccain will do this for Iraq, he was a POW, he served his country and so on..... i served my country in the CORPS!! was in GULF deal in 91. we are wrong for being there now, never should have to begin with. We liberated Kuwait then. we are killing our own now.... We need a change and need it now. we waste more time on deciding if this candidate is salty enough to decide on military actions against iraq or iran. Heck we are killing our own country. What about this. The Govenment mandates your kids must go to school.. most of the schools are invested with drugs and gangs. If you dont send your kids to school you go to jail. so why are we not making the Government take action on the schools?


Great post! I'm right there with ya! :bigthumbsup:

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I chose not to post at all yesterday (9/11 ) anyone else's choice was theirs and none of my business. Reading the last 10 pages of posts to catch up I got one impression. The dems seem to be so angry. IMHO.

GMONEY

Your issue seems to be education and you ask "why we are not making the Govt take action on schools"?
I'm sure I wont make any friends with my opinion, Buy here goes.
First I thought education was primarily a State issue. Second The only action the feds do for education is throw money at it. Excepting Bush's no child left behind effort.
Schools are one of the biggest labor union controlled areas in the country. It's a good thing too because the quality of their product (kids education ) gets worse and worse in terms of education received. Argue with me if you will, then go strike up a conversation with some recent graduate of public school and judge for yourself. So I for one don't think more money is the answer.
Since I'v been voting every time I vote there is one or more school issues to vote on all increasing the money for OUR CHILDREN. You would think just once they would give us a break Benj

[Guest]

While this thread WAS about Iraq, etc, I will stand tall with BENJ on this. EDUCATION IS A STATE ISSUE...PERIOD. I, for one, want the federal government out of that business, even though as you say the labor movement has lost a lot of ground in the past number of years, in education it has its strongest liberal ally !

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i think the no kid left behind deal makes that gov involved. if you talk it, do it.

[Guest]

i think the no kid left behind deal makes that gov involved. if you talk it, do it.

I agree that the federal government is involved with "no child left behind." The fed did it in a unique way in that it tied "performance standards" to the receipt of federal moneys for education by the state. States always can tell the fed "thanks but no thanks" for the fed money.

I understand why teachers unionized - money, working conditions, benefits - just like employees in any other industry. The problem has grown with employee and union involvement in: the selection of which services will be provided (e.g., what subjects will be taught); what the lesson plans (if any) will include; what constitutes a "grade" to be given to the student; and the utter lack of objective and measurable employee performance standards in most districts.

In other words, the factory has been turned over to the employees and no one is now "responsible" for the product coming off the assembly line.