Lamar Odom

[graciegirl]

Your thoughts?

[rubicon]

Hedi Lamar

[graciegirl]

Hedi Lamar




I thought so too.

[kittygilchrist]

Who?

[fred53]

Worrying about a rich ex-superstar who lived the stupid life just doesn't play with me....while I prefer not to keep my head in the sand there are to many other more important issues than this...

[tuccillo]

Hedley Lamarr

Hedi Lamar

[rhood]

Why is this newsworthy.

[SKIMAN]

I could care less......

[RickeyD]

Senator Geary might be interested.

[Barefoot]

Your thoughts?
I think it is very sad that he has lost so much to his addictions ... his career, his marriage, and now he is fighting for his life. Sad.

[2BNTV]

I think it is very sad that he has lost so much to his addictions ... his career, his marriage, and now he is fighting for his life. Sad.

:agree:

I think it is sad that some athletes who have risen to great heights and made so much money, get lost in drugs and ruin their lives, or even die.

Even more tragic, is Len Bias who had just signed a hugh contract with the Boston Celtics many years ago and then OD on drugs partying. So much to live for and was lost before he even got started. Sometimes, too much money leads people, to a destructive lifestyle.

I understand he is on life support.

[2BNTV]

Hedi Lamar

Hedy Lamarr was a beautiful actress and inventor. A brilliant scientist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

[Jima64]

My question is, did he start on cocaine or begin with "harmless" weed that seems so prevalent in society today? A shame this has happened to him but people know what drugs can do.

[rubicon]

Hedy Lamarr was a beautiful actress and inventor. A brilliant scientist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

2BNTV "Yes I read that story both beauty and brains whether you spell it Hedi Lamar or Heady Lamarr:D. Thank you for not pointing out my misspelling. Apparently your right "it doesn't cost anything to be nice"

[gerryann]

I could care less......

Why is this newsworthy.

I think it is a very sad situation. I hope it gets a lot more news coverage so that the younger generation can see what drugs and risky life choices can do to you. This man had everything going for him but has lost it all....probably his life.

It's not all about what is affecting YOU directly. You may have people in your life that you are not even aware of who need to learn from this mans mistakes.

[Jimturner]

Hedley Lamarr

He was the lead star in blazing saddles. He hee

[tuccillo]

I wasn't sure if anyone was going to catch that.

He was the lead star in blazing saddles. He hee

[jimbo2012]

Ok so he spent $75,000 for a few hookers to entertain non stop for three days.

To keep up with the pace he took cocaine and TEN Reload pills, guess he never understood drug interactions.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2015/10/FDA.jpg&w=1484


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[Polar Bear]

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[golfing eagles]

Your thoughts?

I think he went on a multi-day alcohol and drug binge surrounded by "professional" women---I hope he at least had a smile on his face as they dragged him off to the ICU

Senator Geary might be interested.

Good one!. I doubt everyone got it though. So was the place they found Lamar owned by Fredo?

[redwitch]

Regardless of what he was doing, his family is hurting. This young man had lost a lot in his life in a short time. He and his family have my sympathies. And shame on those of you who felt this was a great opportunity to show how witty you are.

[gerryann]

Regardless of what he was doing, his family is hurting. This young man had lost a lot in his life in a short time. He and his family have my sympathies. And shame on those of you who felt this was a great opportunity to show how witty you are.

I agree. Age doesn't bring maturity. I hope you guys that find it so funny, never have to deal with these issues in your family.

[jnieman]

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[billethkid]

These kinds of actions by famous dignitaries of wealth and stature cannot be measured on our normal scale of right or wrong or sad or too bad....because they over time have degenerated to a state of they don't care about such things as we do.

What is missing are the success stories of others in similar positions who do love life and family and friends as we all do. These are the role models....unfortunately in our day and morality good news is not very news worthy.

What is sad is the impact on the family. He made his choice for himself. But also for his family. Let us hope there is some worthy role model to show the the right way.

[Nucky]

Don't know this poor soul at all. Feel terrible for him and for all who cared about him. I know zero about drugs first hand but I know that before you know it something you think is enjoyable has a hold of you sometimes that thing does you in, booze, drugs, gambling, food, even sex. Anything when it makes your life unmanageable is a bad deal. I'm gonna pray for this man...maybe he was a good guy going thru a rough time. It's a damn shame.

[golfing eagles]

Regardless of what he was doing, his family is hurting. This young man had lost a lot in his life in a short time. He and his family have my sympathies. And shame on those of you who felt this was a great opportunity to show how witty you are.

I agree. Age doesn't bring maturity. I hope you guys that find it so funny, never have to deal with these issues in your family.

Do either of you think for 1 second that I, or any of the other "witty" posters, view this as anything other than a tragedy for Lamar or his family?
Don't you think I pray for a recovery and for his family to have the strength to deal with this? I'm a bit surprised, both have you have read enough of my posts to hopefully know that I care deeply for anyone who is unfortunate enough to have to deal with these tragedies.
I will again quote John Donne:

"No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee."

I'm sure you are aware that humor is one defense mechanism against dealing with tragedy. I've had 35 years of dealing with tragedy up close and personal. If I didn't develop various defense mechanisms years ago they would have hauled me off to the loony bin.

This is a TOTV web forum, my posts are directed to, and generally for the information and entertainment of the rest of the forum, it is nothing that I would ever direct at Lamar or his family. I'm pretty sure you know that as well

I'm an avid golfer, I bought a house in TV on a golf course, and before I could move here I lost use of my left arm. Is this a Greek tragedy? Is this irony? Is this just how life goes sometimes. But anyone out there is free to make a joke or post a witticism (Tomwed, I look forward to it). I will laugh with you. I could use it.

So, if anyone found my "witticisms" offensive, I truly apologize. I didn't realize that the subject was off limits.

[graciegirl]

Regardless of what he was doing, his family is hurting. This young man had lost a lot in his life in a short time. He and his family have my sympathies. And shame on those of you who felt this was a great opportunity to show how witty you are.




I dunno. It doesn't seem like a good thing to spend your last waking moments, drugged up in a house of ill repute when you had so many wonderful gifts and opportunities headed your way.


Where I am from, all the people I know wouldn't think about how or why, they would just shake their heads and think...he ended in shame.


I know a lot of people who had ample reason to escape the grim reality of their lives with drugs or other mind numbing substances, but instead they planned for the future and saved and worked hard and made everyone who knew them proud by making the tough choices and forebearing a big thrill.

[redwitch]

Gracie, I agree he made some horrific choices but that doesn't alter the tragedy of a talented young man throwing his life away nor the pain those who know and love him are feeling. Some of us are stronger than others. We have our tragedies, but they make us strive to succeed in spite of them. Some are not that lucky. Their tragedies destroy them.

And golfing eagle, I agree that humor is a wonderful defense mechanism but is there need for a defense mechanism when tragedy befalls someone rich and famous? It is rare that these events truly affect us on such a level that we need to defend against our pain. Sorry, but I found many of the comments just mean-spirited. And please accept my sincere sympathies on your arm. As Robert Heinlein said, "TANJIT!" (There ain't no justice in this world.)

[golfing eagles]

Gracie, I agree he made some horrific choices but that doesn't alter the tragedy of a talented young man throwing his life away nor the pain those who know and love him are feeling. Some of us are stronger than others. We have our tragedies, but they make us strive to succeed in spite of them. Some are not that lucky. Their tragedies destroy them.

And golfing eagle, I agree that humor is a wonderful defense mechanism but is there need for a defense mechanism when tragedy befalls someone rich and famous? It is rare that these events truly affect us on such a level that we need to defend against our pain. Sorry, but I found many of the comments just mean-spirited. And please accept my sincere sympathies on your arm. As Robert Heinlein said, "TANJIT!" (There ain't no justice in this world.)

Didn't view him as rich and famous, just as a fellow human being. Heck, I really didn't know who he was anyway. No, I wasn't personally all broken up over this event, but that doesn't mean I can't lighten the mood.
Again, you know my posts and I know yours. I challenge you to find 1% of them that you consider "mean spirited". I won't find 1% of yours in that category either.
When I see a post that may seem mean or subject to interpretation or just unclear, I look at who posted it. If it's you, I pretty much know how to take it. Which is why I was somewhat taken aback by the two comments I posted above. But it's OK, no hard feelings at all, that is what an opinion page is all about. But maybe you owe me a beer when I get down there:beer3:
And thank you for your concern about my arm---I had more bad news about it yesterday, but with time and luck it still may improve.

[redwitch]

You're on re the beer. and I do believe that you wouldn't make a mean remark to another here unless they truly angered you (and I think I'd duck if it was ever me).

[dbussone]

These kinds of actions by famous dignitaries of wealth and stature cannot be measured on our normal scale of right or wrong or sad or too bad....because they over time have degenerated to a state of they don't care about such things as we do.



What is missing are the success stories of others in similar positions who do love life and family and friends as we all do. These are the role models....unfortunately in our day and morality good news is not very news worthy.



What is sad is the impact on the family. He made his choice for himself. But also for his family. Let us hope there is some worthy role model to show the the right way.


Such an accurate assessment. Thanks BTK

[golfing eagles]

You're on re the beer. and I do believe that you wouldn't make a mean remark to another here unless they truly angered you (and I think I'd duck if it was ever me).

Domestic or imported?:1rotfl: (I'm back at it)

[Callaway Guy]

I think it is very sad that he has lost so much to his addictions ... his career, his marriage, and now he is fighting for his life. Sad.

His main problem can be summed up in two words - the Kardashians. That is one f/u family there.

[gerryann]

His main problem can be summed up in two words - the Kardashians. That is one f/u family there.

No, his problem is bad choices. Nobody put him there but himself.

[Allegiance]

I feel nothing for lamar, I do feel for Robert even though he has long passed, I hope he cant see how his family has disgraced his name.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/Robert_Kardashian_Sr.jpg

[gerryann]

I feel nothing for lamar, I do feel for Robert even though he has long passed, I hope he cant see how his family has disgraced his name.




How have they disgraced his name?

[Barefoot]

Don't know this poor soul at all. Feel terrible for him and for all who cared about him. I know zero about drugs first hand but I know that before you know it something you think is enjoyable has a hold of you sometimes that thing does you in, booze, drugs, gambling, food, even sex. Anything when it makes your life unmanageable is a bad deal. I'm gonna pray for this man...maybe he was a good guy going thru a rough time. It's a damn shame.

You're right, anything that makes life unmanageable is a bad deal. Addiction is a terrible burden. Some people with an addictive personality just don't seem to have the strength or motivation to conquer their addictions. Sad.

[rubicon]

Call me heartless but once I found out who this guy is and what he did I just did a blink and deflate.

How many times must this scenario be repeated until people finally figure out that illegal drugs or misused legal drugs are very dangerous.

I personally do not think it helps society to elevate people like Lamar to sainthood . Its no different to me then making a celerity out of a Columbine mass killer.

Perhaps as a society we ought to tell it like it is. Tragedies like this out to be instructive. You want to play with fire then you will eventually get burned.

Too many Americans today seem to have forgotten about the hard facts of life. They cannot make a connection between their irresponsible behavior and consequences

[GaryW]

Call me heartless but once I found out who this guy is and what he did I just did a blink and deflate.

How many times must this scenario be repeated until people finally figure out that illegal drugs or misused legal drugs are very dangerous.

I personally do not think it helps society to elevate people like Lamar to sainthood . Its no different to me then making a celerity out of a Columbine mass killer.

Perhaps as a society we ought to tell it like it is. Tragedies like this out to be instructive. You want to play with fire then you will eventually get burned.

Too many Americans today seem to have forgotten about the hard facts of life. They cannot make a connection between their irresponsible behavior and consequences
:agree::BigApplause:

I agree,,

what is so wrong with his situation, is now khloe wants to act like how he was her life, and loves him so much. GIVE ME A BREAK,,,, Now that this has happened,, she jumps to limelight..

This situation is SAD in the way that a life has gone this way,, For anyone to end up like that, Crazy how many people go this route but you do not hear of it till they are a celebrity or pro athlete.

I agree with the other poster, I hope Robert is not turning in his grave. he was a great person, would think he would not have wanted his name all over TV and the media the way those girls and exwife have put it. JUST MHO. :bigbow::eek::spoken:

[SoccerCoach]

Your thoughts?

Really folks ?? An ex superstar, married into a celebrity circle, found in a brothel, overdosed on illegal substance(s). Sorry I wasted my time. . . . .

[manaboutown]

Not being much of a sports fan I had never heard of him. As I see it he made some very bad choices and is simply paying the price. So much of the news is about what notorious acts various celebrities are committing I usually ignore it. Had not GG started this thread I still would not have heard of him since such news is on my personal "ignore" list.

[tomwed]

What the heck was Lamar doing with Frodo? Was it another another bad hobbit?

[golfing eagles]

What the heck was Lamar doing with Frodo? Was it another another bad hobbit?

On the record: Proceed at your own risk, there are those that take offense at humor under these circumstances. Of course , they will probably move on to respond to those that post it was his own fault

Off the record: Good one!:bowdown:

[tomwed]

On the record: Proceed at your own risk, there are those that take offense at humor under these circumstances. Of course , they will probably move on to respond to those that post it was his own fault

Off the record: Good one!:bowdown:
ok
The truth is I don't know any of those names or anything about the story. I'll read up on it now. I never mean to offend anyone at anytime and apologise if I did.
Frodo and Hobbit sounds like Fredo and habit and I went for it.


post script
[It's another a sad story.]

[Barefoot]

Nevermind.

[graciegirl]

Nevermind.
"They" are saying he spent 75K at the who-er house.

[golfing eagles]

"They" are saying he spent 75K at the who-er house.

That's nothing---wait till he gets his hospital bill. (Not making a joke of his tragedy, just pointing out the high cost of medical care)

[CFrance]

These kinds of actions by famous dignitaries of wealth and stature cannot be measured on our normal scale of right or wrong or sad or too bad....because they over time have degenerated to a state of they don't care about such things as we do.

What is missing are the success stories of others in similar positions who do love life and family and friends as we all do. These are the role models....unfortunately in our day and morality good news is not very news worthy.

What is sad is the impact on the family. He made his choice for himself. But also for his family. Let us hope there is some worthy role model to show the the right way.
Very best post.

[tomwed]

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[nitakk]

Being a Southern California girl and life long Laker fan, I find this a tragedy. Lamar had a huge talent for basketball but had a very tragic life. I find it very sad the direction his life took and blame the Kardashian connection for the quick descent. I also find some of the posts here insensitive at best. I will never understand people who find this amusing when you have never walked in his shoes and no nothing about his life. Shame on you.

[gerryann]

Being a Southern California girl and life long Laker fan, I find this a tragedy. Lamar had a huge talent for basketball but had a very tragic life. I find it very sad the direction his life took and blame the Kardashian connection for the quick descent. I also find some of the posts here insensitive at best. I will never understand people who find this amusing when you have never walked in his shoes and no nothing about his life. Shame on you.

I agree with your post, except for the blame on the Kardashian clan. He is an adult and made these desisions himself....actually after leaving the family.

I truly hope that no one here has to go through a similar situation in their family. If they did, they would realize how insensitive their comments are.

[OldManTime]

He is a drugie, jail would be a good final resting place

[tomwed]

I'm an avid golfer, I bought a house in TV on a golf course, and before I could move here I lost use of my left arm. Is this a Greek tragedy? Is this irony? Is this just how life goes sometimes. But anyone out there is free to make a joke or post a witticism (Tomwed, I look forward to it). I will laugh with you. I could use it.

I try to make people laugh with bad puns, playing with words, exaggerated life experiences or over the top dumbness, like Gracie Allen use to do. As a boy I always felt bad whenever Moe slapped Curly or Abbot picked on Costello. I didn't get it. I still don't. So I will continue to do what I do but I can't purposely make a wise crack at anyone's else's expense. That's not me.
I use to know a Greek Tragedy joke but I can't find it online. It has something to do with an Italian who walks into Homer's Taylor shop and Homer says to the customer "Hey, You Rippa Dees?"

[dbussone]

I try to make people laugh with bad puns, playing with words, exaggerated life experiences or over the top dumbness, like Gracie Allen use to do. As a boy I always felt bad whenever Moe slapped Curly or Abbot picked on Costello. I didn't get it. I still don't. So I will continue to do what I do but I can't purposely make a wise crack at anyone's else's expense. That's not me.
I use to know a Greek Tragedy joke but I can't find it online. It has something to do with an Italian who walks into Homer's Taylor shop and Homer says to the customer "Hey, You Rippa Dees?"

Good night Gracie! :jester: And you do it well.

[Barefoot]

........... I also find some of the posts here insensitive at best. I will never understand people who find this amusing when you have never walked in his shoes and no nothing about his life. Shame on you. I agree with nitakk's comment about insensitive posts. Odom may be the author of his own misfortune, however now he is in ICU in critical condition. I feel that he and his family deserve our compassion.

[graciegirl]

I agree with nitakk's comment about insensitive posts. Odom may be the author of his own misfortune, however now he is in ICU in critical condition. I feel that he and his family deserve our compassion.



I don't know why that we can't say how we feel. I think he brought this on himself. What more is there to it? He could have done a lot of things, a lot of things that wouldn't have led him to this. We do have choices every day. Except for accidents, we all have a lot to say about our destiny.


His family is not reading this. We aren't writing a letter to his family. This is something that some of us have an opinion on and it reflects our values and our history and our life experience. We all could have chosen things that would cause harm to us and bring shame to our families.


Most of us would not wish harm on anyone, but we can sure see what paths lead many to destruction and most of us have chosen not to go down them. We can't help cancer and accidents, and trees falling on us, but we can choose who we hang out with and how we spend our money and most of us have enough sense to come in out of the rain and not to start with dope.



It is WHAT makes our hearts bleed that tells a good bit about us. It is as if he raised a gun and shot himself in the head. He HAD the world by a string and chose to gamble with it..

[graciegirl]

AND another thing I have learned in the last ten years. Men are far more fragile and sensitive than most women. That is why they often joke about things of enormous seriousness. That is why it is called gallows humor.


Some things are untouchable, but a guy who ends up drugged up in a brothel is fodder for that kind of comic relief. It is such a detour from good sense...


They weren't joking nor would they about the infant and his father killed in the car crash in Orlando this afternoon. The mother doesn't look like she will live. Now that is unspeakable heartbreak.

[CFrance]

There is a balance between good taste and bad taste that applies across the board.

[tomwed]

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[Barefoot]

I don't know why that we can't say how we feel. Of course you can say how you feel. And so can I.
You feel he brought this on himself, which is true. I feel he has a serious drug addiction. I think that is also true.
We could debate whether an addictive personality can be cured. But let's not.

[Patty55]

I heard on the news that he has snapped out of it. I can't help but wonder if this is one of those Kardashian things.

[golfing eagles]

I heard on the news that he has snapped out of it. I can't help but wonder if this is one of those Kardashian things.

Looks like it's true:

Lamar Odom regains consciousness, family and friends say - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/kardashian-lamar-odoms-aunt-speak-thank-fans-174445575--spt.html)

I hope he straightens his life out in the aftermath of this close call

[Barefoot]

I hope he straightens his life out in the aftermath of this close call Exactly. You can't get any closer to rock bottom than this!

[Schaumburger]

Exactly. You can't get any closer to rock bottom than this!


Agree with this.

[CFrance]

I heard he woke up but is brain-damaged and still in serious condition.

[graciegirl]

I heard he woke up but is brain-damaged and still in serious condition.



My grandmother told me that some things are worse than death.

[sherri2305]

It's important to note that addiction is a disease, not simply a poor life choice. Many fall prey to this disease for a vast variety of reasons. Unfortunately, we shame the unknown, yet offer prayers and support for the well-known. They all deserve our prayers. Lamar Odom has the funds, the means, and the positive support, yet still fights a losing battle with it. How difficult it must be for so many others. I've seen it in many Soldiers, as well as others. Instead of damning them to hell, please offer prayers and/or encouragement that they may find a way to want to help themselves. Most humans don't want to be miserable or judged as worthless. Just my thoughts.

[golfing eagles]

It's important to note that addiction is a disease, not simply a poor life choice. Many fall prey to this disease for a vast variety of reasons. Unfortunately, we shame the unknown, yet offer prayers and support for the well-known. They all deserve our prayers. Lamar Odom has the funds, the means, and the positive support, yet still fights a losing battle with it. How difficult it must be for so many others. I've seen it in many Soldiers, as well as others. Instead of damning them to hell, please offer prayers and/or encouragement that they may find a way to want to help themselves. Most humans don't want to be miserable or judged as worthless. Just my thoughts.

:agree:

Another question however--
Is it clear he has a chronic addiction, or did he just go and party excessively and something got way out of hand?

[gerryann]

It's important to note that addiction is a disease, not simply a poor life choice. Many fall prey to this disease for a vast variety of reasons. Unfortunately, we shame the unknown, yet offer prayers and support for the well-known. They all deserve our prayers. Lamar Odom has the funds, the means, and the positive support, yet still fights a losing battle with it. How difficult it must be for so many others. I've seen it in many Soldiers, as well as others. Instead of damning them to hell, please offer prayers and/or encouragement that they may find a way to want to help themselves. Most humans don't want to be miserable or judged as worthless. Just my thoughts.
Very good post. I agree.

:agree:

Another question however--
Is it clear he has a chronic addiction, or did he just go and party excessively and something got way out of hand?

This was the end result of a long time drug addiction that has ruined his life. Maybe if he survives, he will have the opportunity to turn it around.

[graciegirl]

There were pictures of him on TMZ and the camera was following him around at the pleasure ranch and if I know anything about humans he seem to enjoy the limelight.

He could have left. I think it is more than addiction or less than addiction. It turned me waaaaay off.

[Barefoot]

It's important to note that addiction is a disease, not simply a poor life choice. Many fall prey to this disease for a vast variety of reasons. Unfortunately, we shame the unknown, yet offer prayers and support for the well-known. They all deserve our prayers. Lamar Odom has the funds, the means, and the positive support, yet still fights a losing battle with it. How difficult it must be for so many others. I've seen it in many Soldiers, as well as others. Instead of damning them to hell, please offer prayers and/or encouragement that they may find a way to want to help themselves. Most humans don't want to be miserable or judged as worthless. Just my thoughts.
Thank you for your wise and compassionate post.

[Allegiance]

The media covers this s$it because it sells more media. They should be doing biographies on the Doctors without Borders that lost their lives. They are true heros. Most sports "hero's" are thugs and should be treated as such. People that follow the lives of Kardashians and worship thugs should not reproduce.

[CFrance]

The media covers this s$it because it sells more media. They should be doing biographies on the Doctors without Borders that lost their lives. They are true heros. Most sports "hero's" are thugs and should be treated as such. People that follow the lives of Kardashians and worship thugs should not reproduce.

Well, this IS a free country...

[Fredwms]

I heard on the news that he has snapped out of it. I can't help but wonder if this is one of those Kardashian things.

I understand his first words were "What a ride!"

:faint:

[tomwed]

The media covers this s$it because it sells more media. They should be doing biographies on the Doctors without Borders that lost their lives. They are true heros. Most sports "hero's" are thugs and should be treated as such. People that follow the lives of Kardashians and worship thugs should not reproduce.
Advertisers turn these ordinary people with special skills into heroes and role models just to sell shoes, clothes and cars and a lot of people buy into it. Next fans feel let down if they don't live up to expectations. I think it's a mistake to encourage children to look for role models they don't know personally. Pick out a relative or a neighbor and sing their praises. That's what we did.
In the good old days, reporters looked the other way if you were famous. Now everyone is a reporter and everyone has a camera.

[village dreamer]

75k for hookers????? what happen to the 2 bit hookers grand pa talked about???

[BobandMary]

SMD...... stupid man disease

[FosterMomma]

I find it sad too... we all have our demons :(

[golfing eagles]

I don't think very many of us can say we never did anything stupid or dangerous in our lives. If it resulted in death or permanent injury, not too many of us would still be around, so don't be so quick to say Lamar "deserved" it. Remember, it only takes a second to exercise bad judgment, but it can take a lifetime to pay for it.

[Nucky]

When he can his only path to rite the ship is to humble himself and say to someone that he wants help. I, you, his mother in law, wife, everybody and anybody can want him to get into recovery but it must be him that says enough is enough. Something like this as bad as it seems doesn't even add up to a pimple on the butt of a addict. You can't scare a addict....the addiction is way stronger. I think it's one out of every 35 people who try & recover that actually does. Very sad. God help him & those close to him.

[golfing eagles]

When he can his only path to rite the ship is to humble himself and say to someone that he wants help. I, you, his mother in law, wife, everybody and anybody can want him to get into recovery but it must be him that says enough is enough. Something like this as bad as it seems doesn't even add up to a pimple on the butt of a addict. You can't scare a addict....the addiction is way stronger. I think it's one out of every 35 people who try & recover that actually does. Very sad. God help him & those close to him.

Hopefully with all his money and connections he'll have a better chance than most

[graciegirl]

Some of this is happy horse manure. We didn't tell our children that we would understand if they ended up nearly dead in a whore house because after all some of us are born with addictive personalities. We tried to teach them what we were taught; to stay away from trouble and if you lay down with dogs you are gonna get up with fleas. We were told if we got arrested we weren't going to get bailed out and that if we burnt our butt we would sit on the blister.


I was pretty hard on my kids and my folks were hard on me. There was a lot of addiction going on in my family. Alcohol was badly overused by several, but that didn't keep anyone from pointing out that it wasn't anything to be proud of and that it could ruin your life.


I don't think I lack compassion but I save it for the things that can't be avoided. We weren't religiously against alcohol. I am the granddaughter of European immigrants and wine was served every evening. My father and grandfather were brewmasters. But a lot was expected from us. And we expected a lot from our kids.

[villagerjack]

It's important to note that addiction is a disease, not simply a poor life choice. Many fall prey to this disease for a vast variety of reasons. Unfortunately, we shame the unknown, yet offer prayers and support for the well-known. They all deserve our prayers. Lamar Odom has the funds, the means, and the positive support, yet still fights a losing battle with it. How difficult it must be for so many others. I've seen it in many Soldiers, as well as others. Instead of damning them to hell, please offer prayers and/or encouragement that they may find a way to want to help themselves. Most humans don't want to be miserable or judged as worthless. Just my thoughts.

Very difficult for someone like him with all his money and celebrity to reach the bottom necessary to surrender. In best of cases, only about 30% of those attending AA ever stay sober. Also very difficult for the average person to understand the power of this physical, mental and spiritual disease. Unless you get real help,p and deal with all the aspects, not the phoney expensive celeb rehabs, it will be impossible to arrest the disease that is never cured. Look at what recently happened to Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manzel who still does not realize that it is the first drink that gets you drunk.

[kittygilchrist]

The man is talking and texting.
Thanks for another chance...

[graciegirl]

What I typed above was in frustration and anger. I think I understand addiction pretty well. But I grow tired of folks labeling some things when I know darn well that folks don't have to end up like this.


I hate, hate, hate what has happened to this country and the world because of drugs. I wish we could send all of our worlds combined military strength into the source of all this and eradicate it. That of course would put innocent people out of work who tend the poppies. People who have babies and homes.


I wish that they would make laws to stop drugs. But they have laws and drugs are illegal. I remember when no one I knew or anyone they knew ever heard of drugs. We just had drunks. The doctor came to the house and gave you little envelopes with pills when you were sick. Good kind saving drugs, antibiotics were just beginning. People didn't have enough of anything to overcome the pain when they were dying of cancer.


I don't like to turn on the television every night and see the people who have been killed probably because of their drug debts. I don't like to see the people who grow up in areas where big success is being a drug dealer.


I want to yell at someone to fix all of this, but as I grow older I have far fewer answers and far more questions.


I guess that I am just lucky it didn't happen to me or mine because addiction is genetic and it sure runs in my family. People with addictive personalities almost always are sensitive and fragile. And I just remembered someone that I do know that grew up in a strict family that died as a result of addiction.


I am sorry I said what I said. I wish I could fix this horrible thing called drugs. I do need to remember to not be so damn stubborn and judgmental. But I am sure I will do it again. We sometimes can't help being who we are. And we can't change it drastically. We are stuck being us.

[fred53]

Business as usual...those who feel he was a waste of good oxygen and those who feel sadness when a leaf falls from a tree....

Death...happens 1000x every day...can't be helped...you can spend your life feeling sad for those who pass and those left behind or you can keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart...I prefer the later....I do not find it humorous when folks die, but if they bring it upon themselves I think they're stupid and deserve what happens...as to those they left behind-shed a tear then move on and hope no one else is that stupid....

[golfing eagles]

Business as usual...those who feel he was a waste of good oxygen and those who feel sadness when a leaf falls from a tree....

Death...happens 1000x every day...can't be helped...you can spend your life feeling sad for those who pass and those left behind or you can keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart...I prefer the later....I do not find it humorous when folks die, but if they bring it upon themselves I think they're stupid and deserve what happens...as to those they left behind-shed a tear then move on and hope no one else is that stupid....

Actually about 154,600 people die each day----Maybe that's the ultimate joke about life on Earth. Ever think, why 80 or so years? Why can a tree live thousands and a may fly 1 day? There is obviously something coded into every things DNA that determines this, environmental factors aside.

[villagerjack]

Hopefully with all his money and connections he'll have a better chance than most

Golfing Eagles. This is not meant to criticize you but his money and fame will be the most serious obstacles in a path to recovery. There is an interesting article about the Kardisjans reaction and possible role in this mans decline. It really makes you want to puke. See the NY Post. This family represents best the decline in America and yet still has many viewers. It is in unfathomable to me. Yes, I know this is a free Country.

[golfing eagles]

Golfing Eagles. This is not meant to criticize you but his money and fame will be the most serious obstacles in a path to recovery. There is an interesting article about the Kardisjans reaction and possible role in this mans decline. It really makes you want to puke. See the NY Post. This family represents best the decline in America and yet still has many viewers. It is in unfathomable to me. Yes, I know this is a free Country.

It may very well a big obstacle. But at least it gives him access to first class addiction treatment. Many other addicts aren't in a position to get that care. What he does from there is up to him

[villagerjack]

Gracie, no apology is necessary. You seem to understand this serious problem better than most. It is interesting to see how the Ksrdashians are trying very successfully so to control the story and their possible role in pushing this man over the edge. We are all a product of our environment and he was part of that low life family for a while, as I understand it. I wonder just what drives good folks to watch such trash.

[golfing eagles]

Gracie, no apology is necessary. You seem to understand this serious problem better than most. It is interesting to see how the Ksrdashians are trying very successfully so to control the story and their possible role in pushing this man over the edge. We are all a product of our environment and he was part of that low life family for a while, as I understand it. I wonder just what drives good folks to watch such trash.

From a recent survey, approval of an assortment of items in descending order:

Brussels sprouts
Lice
Colonoscopies
Root canals
Used car salesmen
traffic jams
France
cockroaches
Genghis Khan

Congress

Lindsey Lohan
Bullies
Telemarketers
Gonorrhea
Ebola

The Kardashians

North Korea
meth labs

[villagerjack]

It may very well a big obstacle. But at least it gives him access to first class addiction treatment. Many other addicts aren't in a position to get that care. What he does from there is up to him

All addicts have the same access to care if they really want it. AA and similar type meetings are free and help more than any other treatment. All it takes is a phone call. The amount of money you spend is of little significance. You can spend $100 an hour ( or $1000) an hour for one psychiatrist or $1.00 ( typical AA donation) an hour and get the benefit of 100 people who understand the disease better. Your last sentence says it all. It is up to him. We have all seemingly diagnosed this man as needing help yet it is his self diagnosis that is the only one that counts. I have a feeling that once he wakes up surrounded by that reprehensible family, he will again be diagnosed as being "cured".

[golfing eagles]

All addicts have the same access to care if they really want it. AA and similar type meetings are free and help more than any other treatment. All it takes is a phone call. The amount of money you spend is of little significance. You can spend $100 an hour ( or $1000) an hour for one psychiatrist or $1.00 ( typical AA donation) an hour and get the benefit of 100 people who understand the disease better. Your last sentence says it all. It is up to him. We have all seemingly diagnosed this man as needing help yet it is his self diagnosis that is the only one that counts. I have a feeling that once he wakes up surrounded by that reprehensible family, he will again be diagnosed as being "cured".

I don't think meetings are going to cut it for him.. He needs intensive inpatient treatment. At an upscale place, like that Malibu place that's advertised, his fellow patients are likely to be Hollywood celebrities, idle rich, and fallen sports heroes. He may relate better to them than a Narcotics Anonymous meeting in Harlem (then again, maybe not)

[villagerjack]

I don't think meetings are going to cut it for him.. He needs intensive inpatient treatment. At an upscale place, like that Malibu place that's advertised, his fellow patients are likely to be Hollywood celebrities, idle rich, and fallen sports heroes. He may relate better to them than a Narcotics Anonymous meeting in Harlem (then again, maybe not)

Class status has nothing to do with this. There are no high class or low class drunks or addicts. Just drunks and addicts. If this man has a problem he has to view himself as equal or lower than Harlem drunk sitting on a curb with a bottle in a paper bag or under the stairwell with a needle in his arm.

[billethkid]

Class status has nothing to do with this. There are no high class or low class drunks or addicts. Just drunks and addicts. If this man has a problem he has to view himself as equal or lower than Harlem drunk sitting on a curb with a bottle in a paper bag or under the stairwell with a needle in his arm.

Maybe!?

That view is in the eye of the beholder since either class that has never been in one or the other has no such relationship issue to feel better/worse about or relate to and even if they did it would most likely not affect the direction to be taken next.

[Barefoot]

Odom has been an idiot about his health. And about refusing to seek help for his addictions.
Not everyone gets a second chance at life - I hope he uses his wisely.

[villagerjack]

Maybe!?

That view is in the eye of the beholder since either class that has never been in one or the other has no such relationship issue to feel better/worse about or relate to and even if they did it would most likely not affect the direction to be taken next.

No Billy, that view is in the eye of the experts and those who have been through it. Fact is that putting investment bankers in the same rehab group with other investment bankers is exactly what is not done. More likely they would be placed in a group with curbside alcoholics.

[Walt.]

75k for hookers????? what happen to the 2 bit hookers grand pa talked about???

Maybe he was lining up an incredible number of them...

[John Palanci]

To much money, not enough brains

[deestatham]

Such a waste of life. And such a shame. I don't care how much he wasted his life, it is still a life.

[tomwed]

what happen to the 2 bit hookers grand pa talked about???
I don't care how old your grandfather is he shouldn't be biting hookers!

[fpmoravcik]

It's breaking my heart

[villagerjack]

I am wondering how some in the generation of us that grew up watching shows like My Three Sons Ozzie and Harriet, Gunsmoke, Gary Moore, Loretta Young, Andy Williams ETC have now sunk into the immoral abyss of now watching what surely represents the worst of society ...the Kardishian Family. Really mind boggling.

[dewilson58]

I am wondering how some in the generation of us that grew up watching shows like My Three Sons Ozzie and Harriet, Gunsmoke, Gary Moore, Loretta Young, Andy Williams ETC have now sunk into the immoral abyss of now watching what surely represents the worst of society ...the Kardishian Family. Really mind boggling.


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