The Curse Of George W. Bush

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Isn't it amazing how ALL the Replican candidates have steered clear of having George W. speak for them?

It seems as though any connection with W. is poison and he (and Cheney) are not on the campaign trails for any Republican.

Not a very good endorsement for his administration, is it?

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My quick thought in reading this is that we are in a very different time, with very different problems than when he was the President. Do you have some kind of specific information to support your post, that candidates are purposefully steering clear of him, or is this all just supposition on your part?

Don't understand the relevance of your post. I think the problems that have been created by this administration are polar opposite to what was going on 8+ years ago and it seems to me that the strength of the candidates running on the Republican side don't need former Presidents to back them up.

[Guest]

Isn't it amazing how ALL the Replican candidates have steered clear of having George W. speak for them?

It seems as though any connection with W. is poison and he (and Cheney) are not on the campaign trails for any Republican.

Not a very good endorsement for his administration, is it?

Oh, you mean like the Democrats did with Obama during the mid-term elections.

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As a matter of fact, many Democrat candidates vacated the area when he(Obama) arrived in town. They didn't want to be associated with him. And apparently hiding didn't do them any better. They still lost congress.

[Guest]

Isn't it amazing how ALL the Replican candidates have steered clear of having George W. speak for them?

It seems as though any connection with W. is poison and he (and Cheney) are not on the campaign trails for any Republican.

Not a very good endorsement for his administration, is it?

Tell me when in history an ex President campaigned for anyone during a PRIMARY ?

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As long as there are morons that believe everything was and still is Bushes fault the democrats will will spew it as long as their indoctnated liberal stoopid sheep swallow their BS. Do you really think after 7 years and 9 years of Control of the house and senate its still bushes fault?

[Guest]

Isn't it amazing how ALL the Replican candidates have steered clear of having George W. speak for them?

It seems as though any connection with W. is poison and he (and Cheney) are not on the campaign trails for any Republican.

Not a very good endorsement for his administration, is it?

We must have missed it; where is it that Bill Clinton or or Jimmy Carter is being used in prominance or at all. As in during the debates Bill was not allowed any where near the reporters or the audience or within sight of the place.
Now I wonder how that fits your knee jerk commentary?

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We must have missed it; where is it that Bill Clinton or or Jimmy Carter is being used in prominance or at all. As in during the debates Bill was not allowed any where near the reporters or the audience or within sight of the place.
Now I wonder how that fits your knee jerk commentary?

He's just a liberal troll, looking for some attention. Don't respond to him and he will go away.

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The only "CURSE" is for Obama to try to live up to Bush's image, which he can't. The girly boy is no man and Putin treats him like his bit... Bush kept America safe and other countries respected or feared us. Bush didn't "lead from behind" because he was a man and leader. Bush had to deal with his last two years of total democrat controlled congress, We've seen how a totally democrat dominated congress does, by how they blocked everything in the first two years of Obama, other than what they wanted passed.

Yep, Obama's curse is not just Bush, but trying to live up to ANY previous presidential reputation. Obama is a laughing stock of the world and no one respects him. He's a little tin emperor that gets his way because of his color, period. And fact does not make that racist. NO other president would get away with what this president has gotten away with.

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Oh, I remember the "Good Old Days" when W was President.

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The only "CURSE" is for Obama to try to live up to Bush's image, which he can't. The girly boy is no man and Putin treats him like his bit... Bush kept America safe and other countries respected or feared us. Bush didn't "lead from behind" because he was a man and leader. Bush had to deal with his last two years of total democrat controlled congress, We've seen how a totally democrat dominated congress does, by how they blocked everything in the first two years of Obama, other than what they wanted passed.

Yep, Obama's curse is not just Bush, but trying to live up to ANY previous presidential reputation. Obama is a laughing stock of the world and no one respects him. He's a little tin emperor that gets his way because of his color, period. And fact does not make that racist. NO other president would get away with what this president has gotten away with.

The image caste by the Great Recession is one that every president wants as a shining example of his accomplishments during his presidency. Going into the Iraq war under false pretenses is another example of a job well done. Do you think that maybe just maybe the current Republicans hopefuls are staying away from him. The one that cant is Jeb, and how is he doing?

Your last paragraph is total Republican nonsense that isn't backup with facts only hate.

Amazing isn't it, when McConnell filibusters just about everything, this isn't consider as being obstructive. Republicans do drive down a lovely one way street.

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The image caste by the Great Recession is one that every president wants as a shining example of his accomplishments during his presidency. Going into the Iraq war under false pretenses is another example of a job well done. Do you think that maybe just maybe the current Republicans hopefuls are staying away from him. The one that cant is Jeb, and how is he doing?

Your last paragraph is total Republican nonsense that isn't backup with facts only hate.

Amazing isn't it, when McConnell filibusters just about everything, this isn't consider as being obstructive. Republicans do drive down a lovely one way street.


You don't know what you are talking about. If you knew what caused the so-called great recession, you would know that Bush had nothing to do with it. And remember, you had two years of Democrat controlled congress at the end of Bush's administration. Bush and other presidents also had their recessions, but each one of the rebounded in a tenth the time it is taking this president. He ran on having all the answers. Fact is that he let his mouth write checks that bounced, because he didn't have the brains or the ambition to fix things. His purpose was to destroy, not fix. If you can't see that, then you are blind. And now, the Dems want to do exactly the same thing that got us into this mess, all over again, before we even climb out of this ditch. Frank-Dodd my as.....!!

The only hate that I have is for stupid. And this country is getting more and more stupid as the we allow the youth to speak out. WE fought socialism in the battle fields and you ALL embrace it, like it is something new and innovative. What a bunch of stupid losers! Yep, I hate stupid and anyone trying to destroy my country.

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Oh, I remember the "Good Old Days" when W was President.

I'd take a dozen Bushs over this idiot currently in the White House. We can't be rid of him fast enough.

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I'd take a dozen Bushs over this idiot currently in the White House. We can't be rid of him fast enough.

You do know, for a fact, if it was allowed by law - Pesident Obama WOULD be re-elected to a third term.

No Republican candidate could beat him.

No Republican candidate will be able to beat whichever Democrat is the nominee.

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You do know, for a fact, if it was allowed by law - Pesident Obama WOULD be re-elected to a third term.

No Republican candidate could beat him.

No Republican candidate will be able to beat whichever Democrat is the nominee.

Since you stated that it was a fact, please provide a credible source for your delusion.

[Guest]

Since you stated that it was a fact, please provide a credible source for your delusion.

Just good old common sense, my friend.

[Guest]

The image caste by the Great Recession is one that every president wants as a shining example of his accomplishments during his presidency. Going into the Iraq war under false pretenses is another example of a job well done. Do you think that maybe just maybe the current Republicans hopefuls are staying away from him. The one that cant is Jeb, and how is he doing?

Your last paragraph is total Republican nonsense that isn't backup with facts only hate.

Amazing isn't it, when McConnell filibusters just about everything, this isn't consider as being obstructive. Republicans do drive down a lovely one way street.

About a minute behind the trail blazing democrats.:clap2:

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Just good old common sense, my friend.

So, it's not a fact after all? Just another delusion...I mean opinion.

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So, it's not a fact after all? Just another delusion...I mean opinion.

And you know what they say about opinions, right? And it's hard to tell his opinion from his a....

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Unlike all of the former Dem Presidents it has long been the policy of the former " R " Presidents to NEVER comment on policy or the performance of the current President .
You can trace this practice as far back as President Eisenhower .
However every single Dem Ex President since JFK has been an active commentator on the performance of the Incumbent President regardless of the Party of the Incumbent .
Further every single former "R" President has taken the approach that they should stay out of Political issues and rarely if ever have backed any candidate for any office .
[ Just like Baseball --- you can look it up ]

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You do know, for a fact, if it was allowed by law - Pesident Obama WOULD be re-elected to a third term.

No Republican candidate could beat him.

No Republican candidate will be able to beat whichever Democrat is the nominee.

BS!!!

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just good old common sense, my friend.

followed by more bs!!!

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followed by more bs!!!

Ah, The Tea Bag Party has spoken - in a most eloquent way, as usual, for them.

[Guest]

Ah, The Tea Bag Party has spoken - in a most eloquent way, as usual, for them.

Is there no end to the BS

[Guest]

You don't know what you are talking about. If you knew what caused the so-called great recession, you would know that Bush had nothing to do with it. And remember, you had two years of Democrat controlled congress at the end of Bush's administration. Bush and other presidents also had their recessions, but each one of the rebounded in a tenth the time it is taking this president. He ran on having all the answers. Fact is that he let his mouth write checks that bounced, because he didn't have the brains or the ambition to fix things. His purpose was to destroy, not fix. If you can't see that, then you are blind. And now, the Dems want to do exactly the same thing that got us into this mess, all over again, before we even climb out of this ditch. Frank-Dodd my as.....!!

The only hate that I have is for stupid. And this country is getting more and more stupid as the we allow the youth to speak out. WE fought socialism in the battle fields and you ALL embrace it, like it is something new and innovative. What a bunch of stupid losers! Yep, I hate stupid and anyone trying to destroy my country.

I don't know what I am talking about. No, Bush and the Republican party don't wash there hands clean on the 2007/20088 recession. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Great_Recession

What party is the party that is interested in deregulating everything. Dodd/Frank was put into law to stop the excess of banks, leading institutions. What party opposed going so far as not to approved Elisabeth Warren as administrator of the oversight branch of government to try not to repeat the recession?

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You don't know what you are talking about. If you knew what caused the so-called great recession, you would know that Bush had nothing to do with it. And remember, you had two years of Democrat controlled congress at the end of Bush's administration. Bush and other presidents also had their recessions, but each one of the rebounded in a tenth the time it is taking this president. He ran on having all the answers. Fact is that he let his mouth write checks that bounced, because he didn't have the brains or the ambition to fix things. His purpose was to destroy, not fix. If you can't see that, then you are blind. And now, the Dems want to do exactly the same thing that got us into this mess, all over again, before we even climb out of this ditch. Frank-Dodd my as.....!!

The only hate that I have is for stupid. And this country is getting more and more stupid as the we allow the youth to speak out. WE fought socialism in the battle fields and you ALL embrace it, like it is something new and innovative. What a bunch of stupid losers! Yep, I hate stupid and anyone trying to destroy my country.

You want to look at a real biased view of the great recession read this. "The Bush Recession" -- Let's Call it What It Is | Steve Rosenbaum (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rosenbaum/the-bush-recession-lets-c_b_167231.html)

Your first paragraph is really short on facts. In fact, it twists just about everything.

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You want to look at a real biased view of the great recession read this. "The Bush Recession" -- Let's Call it What It Is*|*Steve Rosenbaum (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rosenbaum/the-bush-recession-lets-c_b_167231.html)

Your first paragraph is really short on facts. In fact, it twists just about everything.

The author, Steve Rosenbaum, has been taking Bush to task pretty much for many years.

Your link is 6 1/2 years old, and certainly has some truths, but for example, when he refers to mortgages given during the Bush presidency, he totally and completely ignores and does not mention the Community Reinvestment act.

That act, backed and endorsed by the Clinton admin made the mortgages explode. Example, in Clinton years mortgages rose in the 50/60 percent range; in the Bush years it was about 1 percent.

Posting a link that old, you might as well gather all the articles Mr Rosenbaum has penned, going back even further and guess what...in each he goes after Bush and leaves out convenient facts such as I pointed out.

I think an analysis that old, with just selected facts is hardly something to post anywhere.

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Only someone who is not well read would post such a link and the entire thread is bogus.

The financial crisis that President Obama did in fact walk into was the fault of a number of people as most are, and while we have much to learn from that crisis, we should be more inclined to address our current economics, and using lessons learned from anything in the past.

A link that goes back SIX AND HALF YEARS and avoids and hides facts in play are not exactly the best to rely on unless your intent is purely to make some vague political point.

I think one of the best analysis of that financial crisis was done by Newsweek and it named the 25 folks most to blame.

Yes, George Bush is on the list for sure and I am sure that makes some of you folks who disregard facts very happy.

Here is the link to that listing of people

Bill Clinton - 25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis - TIME (http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877322,00.html)

It will be boring for all of you who want to lay this on some President...the only two mentioned and rightfully so are Clinton and Bush, but so many forget to add Clinton to the list and boy he sure deserves to be on the list.

I find this thread completely bogus and if someone wants to discuss 2008 and back all over again, they should start a thread. There are lots of analysis available that are non political thus you probably wont care.

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From that Newsweek article, comes this and this was written in 2009.

It is NOT intended to defend Bush nor malign anyone else, but since the thread is about Bush, it seems applicable....

"George Bush is leaving the White House with a dismal economic record. By almost every measure — GDP growth, jobs, median incomes, financial-market performance — he stacks up as probably the least-successful President on the economic front since Herbert Hoover.

It's not all Bush's fault. He inherited an inevitable recession in 2001, and even last year's financial collapse was to some extent the result of unsustainable trends in place long before he moved to Washington. Also, we generally give Presidents both more credit and more blame for economic outcomes than they probably deserve. As Bush mock-moaned in his final White House press conference, "Why did the financial collapse have to happen on my watch?"

His next words, though, were, "It's just pathetic, isn't it, self-pity?" So let's spare him the pity. As the decider in the White House for the past eight years, George Bush made some economic calls that don't look smart today.

They then went on to list 8 specific error that he made.

Point is NO FINANCIAL CRISIS IS MADE BY ONE PERSON. Nobody recalls how Bush wanted tighter controls on Wall St to prevent the bubble and he was totally rebuffed by a Democratic congress. How he was mocked when he warned everyone about Fannie Mae, etc

None of this absolves his part and every President makes mistakes (although from reading it appears the current President has made none), but why waste a thread trying to pin something on a man that you cannot possibly do.

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Only someone who is not well read would post such a link and the entire thread is bogus.

The financial crisis that President Obama did in fact walk into was the fault of a number of people as most are, and while we have much to learn from that crisis, we should be more inclined to address our current economics, and using lessons learned from anything in the past.

A link that goes back SIX AND HALF YEARS and avoids and hides facts in play are not exactly the best to rely on unless your intent is purely to make some vague political point.

I think one of the best analysis of that financial crisis was done by Newsweek and it named the 25 folks most to blame.

Yes, George Bush is on the list for sure and I am sure that makes some of you folks who disregard facts very happy.

Here is the link to that listing of people

Bill Clinton - 25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis - TIME (http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877322,00.html)

It will be boring for all of you who want to lay this on some President...the only two mentioned and rightfully so are Clinton and Bush, but so many forget to add Clinton to the list and boy he sure deserves to be on the list.

I find this thread completely bogus and if someone wants to discuss 2008 and back all over again, they should start a thread. There are lots of analysis available that are non political thus you probably wont care.

I posted two links. The first was Wikipedia. The second was the biased one.
Maybe just maybe you should read the first sentence in that post. Here it is, "If you want to read a real biased article, read this." Then then link.

Only a person that has to start every post attacking someone would completely ignore that sentence. Are you looking to win a prize for the most obnoxious person on the board? Keep it up. You have a lot of Republican competition.

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Concerning placing blame of a recession or giving credit for getting a country out of recession, read this. Can A President Really Fix A Bad Economy? : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2011/11/16/141762700/can-a-president-really-fix-a-bad-economy)

Maybe the blame game should stop. Fat chance.

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I posted two links. The first was Wikipedia. The second was the biased one.
Maybe just maybe you should read the first sentence in that post. Here it is, "If you want to read a real biased article, read this." Then then link.

Only a person that has to start every post attacking someone would completely ignore that sentence. Are you looking to win a prize for the most obnoxious person on the board? Keep it up. You have a lot of Republican competition.

1. Of course, how foolish of me. ONLY Republicans are obnoxious.

2. WIKI link aside, not sure the relevance of the SIX and half year old link and not sure what your point was if you knew it was bias. Certainly an intelligent discussion of the Bush years, which was the thread title would not include something that old.

So, sorry for being obnoxious and wanting to use facts and not be biased.

I will allow you to continue on your way...make your point and blame whomever you want sans facts.

I offered a few ideas for intelligent discussion on the cause of the recession. I certainly apologize for that and can see how you would find that...what was the word...OBNOXIOUS

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Concerning placing blame of a recession or giving credit for getting a country out of recession, read this. Can A President Really Fix A Bad Economy? : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2011/11/16/141762700/can-a-president-really-fix-a-bad-economy)

Maybe the blame game should stop. Fat chance.

It should stop but sadly it wont !!!

That was the point I made in my two posts that were found to be obnoxious.

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When was the last time you saw "dumbo" our current potus in Church on Sunday, or
Visiting Vets in the hospital?

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When was the last time you saw "dumbo" our current potus in Church on Sunday, or
Visiting Vets in the hospital?

When he needed to suck for votes. He doesn't need anybody or anything anymore that does not fit his agenda.

A little ove a year to go to get rid of him.

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Maybe he's just a class guy, not a hotdog like Bill Clinton

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As far as I can tell only two Republican candidates have mentioned W....... Trump ripping him and Jeb defending him.

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These people calling our President childish names is disgusting and I automatically stop reading the rest of the post. Your ignorance of the subject is shown when you spew such un-American views. Moreover the facts are that your next President will be a Democrat again, so please learn to deal with that.

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The only "CURSE" is for Obama to try to live up to Bush's image, which he can't. The girly boy is no man and Putin treats him like his bit... Bush kept America safe and other countries respected or feared us. Bush didn't "lead from behind" because he was a man and leader. Bush had to deal with his last two years of total democrat controlled congress, We've seen how a totally democrat dominated congress does, by how they blocked everything in the first two years of Obama, other than what they wanted passed.

Yep, Obama's curse is not just Bush, but trying to live up to ANY previous presidential reputation. Obama is a laughing stock of the world and no one respects him. He's a little tin emperor that gets his way because of his color, period. And fact does not make that racist. NO other president would get away with what this president has gotten away with.

Bush has kept America safe?! What do you call the attack on the World Trade Center? There were 3000 people who wouldn't agree with you.

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Oh, I remember the "Good Old Days" when W was President.
Oh, when "W" was president, I was still working, got plenty of overtime, made 13 to $15. more an hr. than the people that worked doing the same exact job that I did & everything was cheaper than it is now. The one we have now told us "I'm in Charge Now".

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These people calling our President childish names is disgusting and I automatically stop reading the rest of the post. Your ignorance of the subject is shown when you spew such un-American views. Moreover the facts are that your next President will be a Democrat again, so please learn to deal with that.
Not sure who the next President will be but totally agree with your take on how so many posts here degrade the Presidency to the point of disrespecting the Office and what it stands for.

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Not sure who the next President will be but totally agree with your take on how so many posts here degrade the Presidency to the point of disrespecting the Office and what it stands for.

Sort of brings back memories of the last 4 years of the Bush presidency doesnt it ?

We think we are so important in this country as we go through all this gossip talk and degrade our leaders and ignore what is really happening in the world.

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Those who read here will note correctly that almost 100% of the posts on this forum are aimed PERSONALLY at an INDIVIDUAL with name calling being the preference.

Issues are basically ignored and it almost seems to be a crime here to talk about an issue.

And to those who fear for criticism of our leader in Washington DC....listen up

Obama is the President of the United States. He sets the direction of the country and sets the tone of the country.

As some enjoy saying....elections have consequences.

One of those consequences is that you might get elected and when you do, you have responsibility and you WILL be criticized, even if you claim perfection as many suggest our current President does claim.

We sure have very short memories, EXCEPT when we need to find something to say that might reflect on a PERSON and not an issue.

This entire thread, in the middle of an election cycle with the world in turmoil is a monument to having our heads in the sand.

What relevance does whether Bush campaigns for anyone have at this point ?

Should not issues be discussed, including the character of the candidates ?

CANDIDATES, not past Presidents.......this entire thread was set up to divert any discussion from criticising our current candidates.

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Not sure who the next President will be but totally agree with your take on how so many posts here degrade the Presidency to the point of disrespecting the Office and what it stands for.

Most of us do in fact have respect for the office and position of POTUS.
Just because we do not support or disagree with what the incumbent does is of no consequence or disrespect for the presidency; the man in office at the time.

That would be Obama. To ANY experienced executive, after viewing Obama's work ethic, promises made VS promises kept, racial bias, total incompetance at international level for just one year the only conclusion would be to remove him from the job for lack of performance. It is, for me that simple. The man is all talk. No substance proven time and time again over the past 7 years.

If it were not for the permissive nature of our country these days PLUS the fact that he is black PLUS the silent majority doing nothing.....he would have been gone long before now.

Party loyalty is one thing. Tolerance of incompetence at the expense of the welfare of we the people and the USA is quite another. There are much more qualified democrats to take Obama's place.....our no balls, offend nobody society just can't/won't deal with it.

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I respect the position of president. However, I do not respect Obama. I didn't respect him when he was running for president and I still haven't changed my mind other than to be more firm in my disrespect. He doesn't respect me, or most Americans, so I feel no obligation.

Obama was only elected because he is black. Sorry, but true. He has maintained his position as president only because he is black. No other president, including Bill Clinton would have gotten away with the policies and abuse that he has gotten away with. Since the only thing different about him that may explain how he gets away with his actions, is that he is black then that is a logical conclusion for his immunity.

Speaking fact and truth does not make one racist. If anyone has a better answer for how he gets away with his abuse of power, other than his ethnicity, I would be interested in hearing it.

If Ben Carson gets nominated, I will vote for him in the general election. So, before accusing me of being a racist, you better come up with some evidence. Obama is racist, not me. We do have something in common though. We both enjoy BBQ.

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I doubt that the public will ever see very much of either Bush or Cheney ever again. Only the extreme right wing tea partyers consider them popular figures!

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I doubt that the public will ever see very much of either Bush or Cheney ever again. Only the extreme right wing tea partyers consider them popular figures!

More BS!!

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I doubt that the public will ever see very much of either Bush or Cheney ever again. Only the extreme right wing tea partyers consider them popular figures!

Yes, the Bush family is pretty popular. GW Bush has probably been more instrumental in ridding AIDS in Africa than any other person/agency. But, of course he hasn't had time to play act on SNL as much as the current celebrity-in-chief. Bush was president of ALL Americans, not just the liberal/socialist party. Can't remember every hearing Bush slur the Democrats while sitting as president. I have to admit, both Cheney and Biden have something in common. Cheney has bad aim with his shotgun and Biden wants to shoot up in the air if he has an intruder with his shotgun.

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Obama will open a race representation consortium in partnership with Sharpton and Jackson.

That means we will be seeing him as much or more than we do now.

His wife will go back to being disresctful of the USA as she stated she was before getting on the gravy train.

She could also be a 4th in the above consortium.

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Strange that the curse of W thread has morphed into Obama being black. Or is it?

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Strange that the curse of W thread has morphed into Obama being black. Or is it?

Sorry Chi, would it make you feel all fuzzy inside if I was bit more PC and say, Obama is half-white? White didn't get him the job, and white didn't allow him to keep his job. Sometimes the truth is just too obvious for some folks. Lets face it, if another president tried to get away with half the things this president has done, there would have been threats of impeachment or worst.

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Strange that the curse of W thread has morphed into Obama being black. Or is it?

You know, CHI, I very seldom agree with you but on this one I do agree. It is strange...

HOWEVER and very important even more strange is how and why this thread even exists.

Let us review the OP on this thread and help me understand why it was begun. It surely had nothing to do with the current election cycle, as it was presented.

You folks just refuse to accept anything as being a bit over the top. These things get twisted totally and all of a sudden we are to feel sorry for the President being attacked, much as Bush was for 8 years.

Sorry....read the OP. This thread was begun to attack someone who has not been in office for 8 years and as a diversion.

However becoming anything racial is a problem so I agree with at least your premise but I also know that sensitivity to race is not what you are concerned about because if Obama said something race related you would be praising him no matter what or how he said it.

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You know, CHI, I very seldom agree with you but on this one I do agree. It is strange...

HOWEVER and very important even more strange is how and why this thread even exists.

Let us review the OP on this thread and help me understand why it was begun. It surely had nothing to do with the current election cycle, as it was presented.

You folks just refuse to accept anything as being a bit over the top. These things get twisted totally and all of a sudden we are to feel sorry for the President being attacked, much as Bush was for 8 years.

Sorry....read the OP. This thread was begun to attack someone who has not been in office for 8 years and as a diversion.

However becoming anything racial is a problem so I agree with at least your premise but I also know that sensitivity to race is not what you are concerned about because if Obama said something race related you would be praising him no matter what or how he said it.

:boom:

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Obama IS black, so what's the complaint about talking racial when his whole two terms has been one big racial demonstration? Since when does an American sissy away from a subject IF the subject suggests the obvious? If you don't think that Obama has been given special consideration (AKA Affirmative Action) then you are in denial. No one knew of him, and he gets elected. Why? Because he would be the first black president, AND he was offering minorities HAND OUTS. Example: https://youtu.be/_Ojd13kZlCA
Or, you can check out what they tell us about free Obama cell phones. And yes, it was an earlier program that has morphed way out of proportion with the cell phones.

If a person achieves a position based primarily on his ethnicity then it really IS racist. If a person is given special passes on behavior that the average person would be punished for, based solely on his ethnicity then it IS racist. But, the racism is not coming from those that suggest it. It is coming from that person's belief that he is "owed" special consideration because of his ethnicity.

So, be PC if you wish, but some of us will be honest and speak the obvious. If anyone is offended by the truth, then they must live in a glass house and need to be real careful.
Being truthful does not make one hateful, unless the intent is to hurt. Stating the obvious should not be considered hateful.

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Obama IS black, so what's the complaint about talking racial when his whole two terms has been one big racial demonstration? Since when does an American sissy away from a subject IF the subject suggests the obvious? If you don't think that Obama has been given special consideration (AKA Affirmative Action) then you are in denial. No one knew of him, and he gets elected. Why? Because he would be the first black president, AND he was offering minorities HAND OUTS. Example: https://youtu.be/_Ojd13kZlCA
Or, you can check out what they tell us about free Obama cell phones. And yes, it was an earlier program that has morphed way out of proportion with the cell phones.

If a person achieves a position based primarily on his ethnicity then it really IS racist. If a person is given special passes on behavior that the average person would be punished for, based solely on his ethnicity then it IS racist. But, the racism is not coming from those that suggest it. It is coming from that person's belief that he is "owed" special consideration because of his ethnicity.

So, be PC if you wish, but some of us will be honest and speak the obvious. If anyone is offended by the truth, then they must live in a glass house and need to be real careful.
Being truthful does not make one hateful, unless the intent is to hurt. Stating the obvious should not be considered hateful.

The attached clip was a perfect closing argument.

[Guest]

The attached clip was a perfect closing argument.

You know, while that clip is authentic I do not like it. It is out of context and plays to the race.

Having said that.....why in the world should this President be given a pass ?

Have you seen some of the mean vicious George Bush videos ? Are they ok ?

Why is it that this President gets a defense ?

Sort of like Black Lives Matter instead of ALL Lives Matter !!!

What makes this President immune to what others have had to endure ????

I sure hope that CHI will respond since he/she is the most offended on any criticism of this President. He is not alone, I assure you.

[Guest]

You know, while that clip is authentic I do not like it. It is out of context and plays to the race.

Having said that.....why in the world should this President be given a pass ?

Have you seen some of the mean vicious George Bush videos ? Are they ok ?

Why is it that this President gets a defense ?

Sort of like Black Lives Matter instead of ALL Lives Matter !!!

What makes this President immune to what others have had to endure ????

I sure hope that CHI will respond since he/she is the most offended on any criticism of this President. He is not alone, I assure you.
There is criticism and then there is blatant mean spirited hostility. I am OK with the former but offended by the latter. I was not a fan of 43, but when someone threw a shoe at him I was incensed. The Predident of the United States represents the greatest democracy in history. Vile caustic insults degrade us all. If one disagrees with a President state your views with respect to the Office and vote.

[Guest]

There is criticism and then there is blatant mean spirited hostility. I am OK with the former but offended by the latter. I was not a fan of 43, but when someone threw a shoe at him I was incensed. The Predident of the United States represents the greatest democracy in history. Vile caustic insults degrade us all. If one disagrees with a President state your views with respect to the Office and vote.

Most of us do respect the office of the president. It is the current turkey in it's possession that some of us do not care to support.

And I do think there are some who really do think that we should respect and support whoever is in office. And we all know that does not work, right. Want proof? Recall some of the multitudes of swipes and snipes at 'W' Bush.

Nothing more need be stated. And this is not directed at the quoted poster above.

[Guest]

There is criticism and then there is blatant mean spirited hostility. I am OK with the former but offended by the latter. I was not a fan of 43, but when someone threw a shoe at him I was incensed. The Predident of the United States represents the greatest democracy in history. Vile caustic insults degrade us all. If one disagrees with a President state your views with respect to the Office and vote.

OK Chi.....your premise I totally agree with you on. I try very hard to walk the line and try to always give respect, even to the man and not just the office.

The problem I have and we have, and will not beat this to death because it is not something done without its own thread.

This President IS black, and HAS invested himself into the racial conversation on many occasions and done so in an hypocritical manner ("I wont talk about an ongoing investigation while talking about an ongoing racial investigation).

That makes it tough, but that is no excuse for some of the blatant racial slurs made on him making color, rather than his performance or issue the main topic.

[Guest]

Like I said before, I do respect the office/position of president. However, I do not respect the man, in this case Obama. He is no better than me, less experienced and less qualified than me. However, he was elected and I give him his due until he works against the wishes of America and Americans. He does not respect me, so I am not required to respect him. He is NOT deity and NOT the liberal/socialist messiah, even though he is a socialist and ultra radical. He is given special passes and treated as if he is not expected to excel in his job, why? Give me one good reason why he is not held as accountable as his predecessors? Why is he treated like a handicapped child? Why does everyone have to be especially forgiving in regards to his major blunders? If you can give me one good reason, other than his ethnicity, they you are pulling a rabbit out of your behind.

If your only come back is that I am a racist and/or bigot, then you have failed and I am correct.
Am I a bigot? Am I a racist?
I will vote for Ben Carson if he receives the nomination.
I will vote for Fiorina if she receives the nomination.

I will not vote for Hilary. Does that make me a sexist?
But, I will also not vote for Sanders, the socialist.

I am not the racist. Obama is the racist. Obama is receiving benefits due to his ethnicity. Obama is excused from being right or wrong, due to his ethnicity. He is allowed to abuse the power of his position, because of.....

If you think you will put me on the defensive by calling me a racist or bigot, think again. That only works on someone that cares.

[Guest]

Like I said before, I do respect the office/position of president. However, I do not respect the man, in this case Obama. He is no better than me, less experienced and less qualified than me. However, he was elected and I give him his due until he works against the wishes of Ameripca and Americans. He does not respect me, so I am not required to respect him. He is NOT deity and NOT the liberal/socialist messiah, even though he is a socialist and ultra radical. He is given special passes and treated as if he is not expected to excel in his job, why? Give me one good reason why he is not held as accountable as his predecessors? Why is he treated like a handicapped child? Why does everyone have to be especially forgiving in regards to his major blunders? If you can give me one good reason, other than his ethnicity, they you are pulling a rabbit out of your behind.

If your only come back is that I am a racist and/or bigot, then you have failed and I am correct.
Am I a bigot? Am I a racist?
I will vote for Ben Carson if he receives the nomination.
I will vote for Fiorina if she receives the nomination.

I will not vote for Hilary. Does that make me a sexist?
But, I will also not vote for Sanders, the socialist.

I am not the racist. Obama is the racist. Obama is receiving benefits due to his ethnicity. Obama is excused from being right or wrong, due to his ethnicity. He is allowed to abuse the power of his position, because of.....

If you think you will put me on the defensive by calling me a racist or bigot, think again. That only works on someone that cares.

No, I am not going to refer to you as a racist (even though you are one) or a bigot ( even though you are one), i will just be content in KNOWING you are IGNORANT. Not only are you ignorant, you are not relevant. Life has passed you by and you have been left on the side of the road like a squashed armadillo.

[Guest]

No, I am not going to refer to you as a racist (even though you are one) or a bigot ( even though you are one), i will just be content in KNOWING you are IGNORANT. Not only are you ignorant, you are not relevant. Life has passed you by and you have been left on the side of the road like a squashed armadillo.

You are a typical liberal, with no facts to support you. You have no meat on the bone. I made valid statements and your only response is that I am "ignorant." You do know that your stupid reply indicates your ignorance, right?

You do not know me, therefore you cannot presume my racism or bigotry. I have made valid points and offered you a chance to correct me. Your response is childish offense.

Saying I am not "relevant" is pretty humorous, but disappointing. Your pathetic reply is so sad and I feel empathy for you. I will pray for your enlightenment.

Please feel free to produce a comment that will make someone think you are "relevant." I am sure that I speak for several on here when I say that we will be waiting on the edges of our seats with bated breath.

[Guest]

No, I am not going to refer to you as a racist (even though you are one) or a bigot ( even though you are one), i will just be content in KNOWING you are IGNORANT. Not only are you ignorant, you are not relevant. Life has passed you by and you have been left on the side of the road like a squashed armadillo.

You allow charges of racism and bigotry to roll off your tongue with such ease and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR VILE AND CRUDE ALLEGATIONS.

A MAN would be able to back up what he says; a child simply continues to call names.

I see nothing that poster typed that suggested even remotely that your horrible and vulgar charges have even a shred of credibility.

Why is it so easy for you to call out such vile things, just on the fly ?

If you are who I think you are, you really need to examine what is happening.

When your only offer in a discussion is to call some one vile names, without even having the b@&&$ to back it up, there is a problem honestly.l

[Guest]

You allow charges of racism and bigotry to roll off your tongue with such ease and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR VILE AND CRUDE ALLEGATIONS.

A MAN would be able to back up what he says; a child simply continues to call names.

I see nothing that poster typed that suggested even remotely that your horrible and vulgar charges have even a shred of credibility.

Why is it so easy for you to call out such vile things, just on the fly ?

If you are who I think you are, you really need to examine what is happening.

When your only offer in a discussion is to call some one vile names, without even having the b@&&$ to back it up, there is a problem honestly.l

BS!

[Guest]

In the meantime look at how great the Liberal Thought and Lifestyle Experts have built up the cities they have dominated since about 1967 --- I give you Detroit ! Chicago !!
Buffalo !! Newark !!! Baltimore !!!!! Washington DC !!!!
St. Louis
Nice going folks nice going !!

[Guest]

In the meantime look at how great the Liberal Thought and Lifestyle Experts have built up the cities they have dominated since about 1967 --- I give you Detroit ! Chicago !!
Buffalo !! Newark !!! Baltimore !!!!! Washington DC !!!!
St. Louis
Nice going folks nice going !!

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