I HAVE ISSUES....WITH SARAH PALIN!!

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I finally decided that I needed to look into Palin a little more...I was just hearing bits and pieces....and I didn't like any of them. So thought...I will give her a chance. Here is what I found and many of these articles are VERY disturbing. To me as a woman, as a mother and as a voter.

concern # 1 This is insane...who does this to anyone in their time of anguish! I am glad she wasn't my mayor! She says she is PRO-WOMEN! To think she could be VP...next in line for Pres.!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-instituted-ra_b_125833.html

concern #2 (this includes McCain) wait to you get to the bottom of this article!!! WOW! I am very respectful of his war time and his service to our country! but the comment about the condoms it is unbelievable! It is this type of comment that Obama is probably referring to when he says McCain is BEHIND THE TIMES!!! It has nothing to do with AGE! It has to do with knowing what this country needs!!! WOW
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-on-abortion-id-oppo_n_122924.html

Concern #3...In her own words...which are VERY, VERY scary!!
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5782924&page=1

I will not go on and on repeating everything....that she has already so eloquently stated herself...but you all wanted issues....these are mine! I don't want to just cut and paste...but honestly...she has no clue...who goes on the air with Charles Gibson and does not educate themselves prior to...


Just thought I would share my thoughts on the REAL issues...

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Cassie, I am sure you had a completely open mind as you did your investigation and documentation of Palin.
Now all we ask, with that same open mind, do a comparable investion and documentation and let us know if you find anything that scares you.
We eagerly await your findings!!

BTK

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If you predicate your opinions on articles from the Huffington Post you are seriously limiting your perspective. That blog is a notorious left wing conduit and is noted for the perpetuating of the most vile, hate speech. Don't you remember when they attacked Nancy Reagan after she fell recently. Don't you remember when Huffington Post commenters wished Tony Snow ill when they learned of his surgery. I will spare you the posting of the vitriolic hate that HuffPo printed and exuded in part out of respect for Tony's parents.

Otherwise, I enjoy reading your posts.

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Thanks Cassie.

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Cassie, I am sure you had a completely open mind as you did your investigation and documentation of Palin.
Now all we ask, with that same open mind, do a comparable investion and documentation and let us know if you find anything that scares you.We eagerly await your findings!!

BTK


Are you asking for a comparable investigation into Biden? I will put my questions in to Google and see what I come up with....

These were my concerns and questions about her....these were the rumors I had heard so I investigated....so I wouldn't be spouting of while being misinformed.

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If you predicate your opinions on articles from the Huffington Post you are seriously limiting your perspective. That blog is a notorious left wing conduit and is noted for the perpetuating of the most vile, hate speech. Don't you remember when they attacked Nancy Reagan after she fell recently. Don't you remember when Huffington Post commenters wished Tony Snow ill when they learned of his surgery. I will spare you the posting of the vitriolic hate that HuffPo printed and exuded in part out of respect for Tony's parents.
Otherwise, I enjoy reading your posts.


Cabo.... thank you but I am fully aware of the Huffington Post....and while I do NOT usually like what they write...these articles were back up with facts. I am not a subscriber to what they typically do...however with that said...I found this information on several other websites....but this specific article seemed to give the most information and backed it up! It wasn't just some nasty opinion.
By the way I hate what they said about Nancy Reagan....I adore her and met her once in person! She is an elogant lady and does not deserve anything like that!

So while I understand you point...I will ask that if you can find information that disputes or proves these issues are false...then please do. I am abhorred by the thought that rape victims had to pay their own costs to be tested. Why not go after the :edit: rapist once they are found! If they don't find the rapist....the victim should still not have to pay for it....as it is something the hospitals are required to do....

As for the second piece....abortion is a hot topic....you are either pro-no-choice or pro-choice. I can't call it pro-life anymore because really I am all for "life"....I love living! I have my opinions and Palin does not share them with me....but that is ok for her....I just don't want her in the VP office trying to put her religious views into law. Separation of Church and State...
I don't think there is anything in this article that is wrong...she is apparently very outspoken in regards to this issue.

Now the last piece you really can not argue with....plain and simple....she has some very odd answers to his questions. She does not seem very prepared or educated enough to take on this position....and if for some chance...God forbid....something happens to Mr. McCain....we are stuck with a person that does not really have any idea what is really going on in the world. That scares me!!

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I sincerely appreciate your thoughtful response. Sources are everything. I do not advocate this link as being an authoritative source. I am posting it to show that there will always be options that view positions from a different perspective frequently advancing their own biases. I checked with the actual transcript and it appears accurate for better or worse.The link show in bold what was edited out. It is so hard to find really objective sources who report without commentary and bias. I believe most Village posters are sharp enough to detect biased links and references and make their judgements accordingly.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/13/abc-news-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview

I watched the 20/20 interview and the Nightline interview and can tell you without hesitation they were different. In fact 20/20 was clearly edited cutting Palin off in mid sentence and deliberately making her appear awkward. The Nightline showed her to be more conversant and articulate by including her comments in their apparent entirety.

I hope all is well with your family and especially your brothers. I know you are very proud of them.

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No Cassie, I meant Obama...Biden is a non event in the competition.....everybody knows where he is from, what he has done and what he doesn't stand for.

BTK

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I sincerely appreciate your thoughtful response. Sources are everything. I do not advocate this link as being an authoritative source. I am posting it to show that there will always be options that view positions from a different perspective frequently advancing their own biases. I checked with the actual transcript and it appears accurate for better or worse.The link show in bold what was edited out. It is so hard to find really objective sources who report without commentary and bias. I believe most Village posters are sharp enough to detect biased links and references and make their judgements accordingly.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/13/abc-news-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview

I watched the 20/20 interview and the Nightline interview and can tell you without hesitation they were different. In fact 20/20 was clearly edited cutting Palin off in mid sentence and deliberately making her appear awkward. The Nightline showed her to be more conversant and articulate by including her comments in their apparent entirety.

I hope all is well with your family and especially your brothers. I know you are very proud of them.


Thank you Cabo~!!! I will do my dilligence and look at the other interview as well. Thank you for telling me about it. It is unfortunate that news interviews are cut at all. I think we need to see the real person. Thank you for the "newsbusters" as well...I will read it as well.

I guess it probably doesn't matter what they took out....I guess the bottom line is that I am probably the opposite from what ever Palin/McCain stand for, vote for etc....so bottom line is that it does not matter if I like her as a person....or if for some reason I didn't like Obama/Biden....and their views.....I will have to vote with the party....at least it gives me some hope that we will leave choice in place for women and their bodies, we will have some hope for equal rights for all citizens...whether for equal pay for equal work or equal rights for every couple to share benefits/money...whether married or not....whether heterosexual or not.

I will look to a different source the next I want to look something up....

thanks cabo for conversing with me.....this was a good one!!! whether we agree or not! And no one got too emotional....ok....I didn't!!

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I have been sitting here for 10 minutes trying to resist getting into this one. But I just have to throw this out there and then that's pretty much it. I guess. If I have any sense at all, I will never look back.

I do not cut nor do I paste. I do not link. But I think. And I have been doing a lot of thinking lately. And I have been watching as the Right and the Left are pretty much clawing each other's eyes out, all across the land.

And I keep thinking. . .What about me? What happened to me? A moderate Republican. A moderate Republican who happens to be a woman. Why didn't anybody care about me?

I feel like John McCain just slapped me right across the face. That is what this feels like to me. Exactly.

An arranged marriage. Arranged for the big fat dowry.

Where did that brave man go?

I know I was toying with him for a time, but I knew all along, somewhere deep in my heart, that if he picked a VP that I could live with, he could get me. I knew he could have. I even wrote a big thing on here one time about how people needed to lay off his age. Now I have no choice but to write him a "Dear John" letter.

When Christine Todd Whitman published It's My Party, Too: The Battle for the Heart of the GOP and the Future of America, I did not read it. I admit. But I like her attitude from what I have heard about her. Hey, maybe he could have picked her.

So I guess I will not bother to read it now. For me, I am afraid it looks like the party's over. And nobody is even noticing that I am gone. Me. Always was a moderate Republican woman. What am I now? Where am I now?

My heart is broken.

Boomer

Oh, and that really is all I wanted to say. I just had to say it and it seemed to fit under this thread's title perfectly.

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To Cassie....I admire anyone who looks into the background of any candidate, thus kudos to you for that.

I have posted and been panned for what I see, but would ask that you look into the background and associations of Sen Obama...wont tell you where to look....but try someof the links I provided in my thread or those of your choosing,...try to find some that are not biased. It bothered me..maybe not you, but never saw a presidential candidate that was so aligned with radicals in my lifetime, which covers more years than I would like to admit. And when you do your research, remember this is a man in his 40's not someone who has been around and accumulated lots of folks in his background.

I realize this was about Gov Palin...but since you are researching thought I would make this suggestion

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Boomer,

Thank you.

I am an Alaskan and I feel I'm much more familiar with Sarah Palin's Political positions then most members of this forum. I have resisted commenting in the political forum because I don't believe it should be used to try to persuade someone to change their political views. I feel it should be a place to air ones view and hopefully be respectful of those whose views may differ from your own. You will not change anyones view or vote with hateful postings.

I do agree with you on Sarah Palin and it is based on her personal and political views on issues that are very important to me and nothing else.

Thanks again
Halle

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Now the last piece you really can not argue with....plain and simple....she has some very odd answers to his questions. She does not seem very prepared or educated enough to take on this position....and if for some chance...God forbid....something happens to Mr. McCain....we are stuck with a person that does not really have any idea what is really going on in the world. That scares me!!

What has been interesting with Mr. Gibson is the manner and content of the interview. There seemed little in the way of issue-inquiry. The intent appeared to be to try to portray Gov. Palin, a 44-year-old woman who has been successful as an elected executive in a state epitomised for rugged individualism (and more macho than anywhere else), as unqualified for VP or President. Ironically, I can remember no comparable interviews by Mr. Gibson or his network with Sen. Obama, a 47 year-old male with no government executive experience and a Senate absentee rate (first term, half over) so bad it would have resulted in being expelled from any college or fired from a private industry job.

The media/press format interviews, and edit accordingly, to present a predesigned image. This is not journalism, but entertainment. If the same questions, content and innuendo were asked of Sen. Obama by Mr. Gibson or his network, then a semblance of impartiality would be demonstrated.

It's like the old Two-car auto race story. One network reports that in the two-car race, Car Alpha won; while the other network reports that in a prestigious car race, Car Bravo came in second, while Car Alpha came in next-to-last. Both are technically correct, but what was the intended message?

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Bucco...my friend....because you are a TOTV....I will look into Obama...the sad part is...that no matter what I find...and I am being honest here...that no matter what groups he is in...no matter what his beliefs are...

I am hearing the following: that women will have choice, that women will have equal pay and that my family will be taken care of when/if one of us goes to the hospital or passes on....., that my brothers will come home sooner than later from a war that I hate in the first place...

In the post above yours our friend Boomer writes how sad she is about her party. That she feels slapped in the face and she feels forgotten about from her party. I can only speculate and I apologize if I am wrong but my guess is that it is because the republicans chose a woman...for the sake of her being a woman! I am not speaking for Boomer...although I cried for her....(I really did Boom).

I know I wrote in a different blog that many women felt insulted that McCain chose a woman. I was berated and told how wrong I was....Boomer is a great example of those women. My S is a republican....imagine that...and she felt completely insulted. McCain would have been better off asking Hillary!! I probably would have voted for that ticket.

Bucco...while I know we have had words in the past....and I really tried to stay away from the political threads....but I can't help but try to find the truth....I expressed my opinion of Palin's family....and many thought I was bringing up an issue that had nothing to do with her being VP.....I still disagree....although these other issues seem to be worse yet in my opinion.....

I will probably read and research more about Obama....but honestly...it will not change my vote. It will probably just sadden me more....and I will feel more like Boomer...just on the other side of the fence...

Boomer....my heart goes out to you....what a wonderful post! Big hugs coming your way!

I guess all we can do is hope, pray (to whomever you wish) and hold on tight....as one....republicans and democrats....together here in TOTV....are place for sanity and freedom to say what ever we wish! I will gladly sit with anyone one of you...for a cup of joe, a glass of wine, a beer....knowing that we are blessed with friends here on TOTV.....and we can all try to educate each other...but knowing in the end no matter who gets voted in to office....we still have this beautiful heaven on earth (TV's) to enjoy with friends...

I am so sappy tonight.....better go to town square to pep up!!!

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I will probably read and research more about Obama....but honestly...it will not change my vote. It will probably just sadden me more....and I will feel more like Boomer...just on the other side of the fence...
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Good...you research and if you find what I find..you will find a radical, extremist background....hey, if that is ok for you in the WH, so be it...he won the nomination, but I believe when the Clintons said he could not be elected, this is what they referred to

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PS...just as I finished my post...I looked out the window on the patio...and I saw the most beautiful double RAINBOW....the sign of Hope.....there is hope and we will all be fine...and we are in the most wonderful place in the world...

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Bravo stevez

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What has been interesting with Mr. Gibson is the manner and content of the interview. There seemed little in the way of issue-inquiry. The intent appeared to be to try to portray Gov. Palin, a 44-year-old woman who has been successful as an elected executive in a state epitomised for rugged individualism (and more macho than anywhere else), as unqualified for VP or President. Ironically, I can remember no comparable interviews by Mr. Gibson or his network with Sen. Obama, a 47 year-old male with no government executive experience and a Senate absentee rate (first term, half over) so bad it would have resulted in being expelled from any college or fired from a private industry job.

The media/press format interviews, and edit accordingly, to present a predesigned image. This is not journalism, but entertainment. If the same questions, content and innuendo were asked of Sen. Obama by Mr. Gibson or his network, then a semblance of impartiality would be demonstrated.

It's like the old Two-car auto race story. One network reports that in the two-car race, Car Alpha won; while the other network reports that in a prestigious car race, Car Bravo came in second, while Car Alpha came in next-to-last. Both are technically correct, but what was the intended message?


SteveZ, now your questioning Charles Gibson's integrity? Is there no end to this convoluted thinking? She's not qualified. It's that simple. I'm sure you'll love Hannerty's interview with her as he is strictly Republican and completely biased. He will feed her powder puff questions that she will be completely rehearsed for. Have fun and come back on and tell us how wonderful she was.

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SteveZ, now your questioning Charles Gibson's integrity? Is there no end to this convoluted thinking? She's not qualified. It's that simple. I'm sure you'll love Hannerty's interview with her as he is strictly Republican and completely biased. He will feed her powder puff questions that she will be completely rehearsed for. Have fun and come back on and tell us how wonderful she was.

Not his integrity - objectivity!

He's like Rush Limbaugh, Randi Rhodes and most on the political trail - an entertainer!

When one questions Gov. Palin's qualifications, one must also mirror those against Sen. Obama and quantify where the difference is. I haven't seen any yet.

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Comments by the governor of Alaska in her first television interview, in which she said Nato may have to go to war with Russia and took a tough line on Iran's nuclear programme, were the result of two weeks of briefings by neoconservatives.

Sources in the McCain camp, the Republican Party and Washington think tanks say Mrs Palin was identified as a potential future leader of the neoconservative cause in June 2007. That was when the annual summer cruise organised by the right-of-centre Weekly Standard magazine docked in Juneau, the Alaskan state capital, and the pundits on board took tea with Governor Palin.

Her case as John McCain's running mate was later advanced vociferously by William Kristol, the magazine's editor, who is widely seen as one of the founding fathers of American neoconservative thought - including the robust approach to foreign policy which spurred American intervention in Iraq.

Now many believe that the "neocons", whose standard bearer in government, Vice President Dick Cheney, lost out in Washington power struggles to the more moderate defence secretary Robert Gates and secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, last year are seeking to mould Mrs Palin to renew their influence.

A former Republican White House official, who now works at the American Enterprise Institute, a bastion of Washington neoconservatism, admitted: "She's bright and she's a blank page. She's going places and it's worth going there with her."

Asked if he sees her as a "project", the former official said: "Your word, not mine, but I wouldn't disagree with the sentiment."

Pat Buchanan, the former Republican presidential candidate and a foreign policy isolationist, who opposes the war in Iraq, the project most closely associated with the neocons, said: "Palin has become, overnight, the most priceless political asset the movement has.

"Look for the neocons to move with all deliberate speed to take her into their camp by pressing upon her advisers and staff, and steering her into the AEI-Weekly Standard-War Party orbit." The AEI, or American Enterprise Institute, is a free-market think-tank with many neo-cons among its members.

In the two weeks since she was named as Mr McCain's running mate that is just what has happened. While Mr McCain was publicly distancing himself from the policies and personalities of the Bush administration, Mrs Palin was sequestered with a series of former aides to George W. Bush.

Mr McCain's chief foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, an influential neoconservative, wasted no time in briefing Mrs Palin. He quickly made Steve Biegun, a former number three on the National Security Council, her chief foreign policy adviser.

Steven Clemons, of the New American Foundation think tank in Washington, a chronicler of the ebb and flow of neocon power in the White House, bemoaned the appointment, saying Mr Biegun "will turn her into an advocate of Cheneyism and Cheney's view of national-security issues."

Eyebrows were also raised when, on the Tuesday after her selection, Mrs Palin was ushered into the company of AIPAC, the pro-Israeli lobby group in Washington.

In her first television interview, she was on message, agreeing with Mr McCain that Israel has the right to take military action against Iran if necessary. "I don't think that we should second-guess the measures that Israel has to take to defend themselves and for their security," she said.

Jacob Heilbrunn, author of They Knew They Were Right: The Rise of the Neocons, said the interview was "further evidence that she has soaked up the neocon view of the world." He was particularly alarmed by her suggestion that war with Russia is "perhaps" a possibility.

Now both McCain and Palin are being closely advised by neocons. Far from being chastened by the Iraq debacle, the neocons are now poised for their moment of greatest influence." Mr Buchanan has predicted Mrs Palin will become a major player for years to come.

"In choosing Palin, McCain may also have changed the course of history," he said. "Should this ticket win, Palin will eclipse every other Republican as heir apparent to the presidency and will have her own power base, wholly independent of President McCain."

War without end. Is that what we want?

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War without end. Is that what we want?

That's what we've had for as long as I, my parents, their parents, and their parents before them have been in the USA.

What makes anyone think the trend will ever end, and why does anyone believe any candidate is going to change the international political landscape sufficiently to make a difference? Things are made better in one place, and a firestorm erupts somewhere else - that's species homo sapiens in action!

In the past 100+ years more wars have been initiated during Democratic administrations than Republican, but that has not made the Democratic Presidents nor the sitting Congresses at that time wrong, nor does it make any President or candidate a warmonger. Stuff happens!

I belong to a combat veterans organization that was founded by Vietnam vets. The only membership criteria are love of motorcycles and having served at least one combat tour. We hoped we would die out eventually due to "no more combat vets," and never expected our membership would include new veterans young enough to be grandkids for a couple of our members, and now they outnumber the VietVets. We have several parent-offspring member combinations, something we never expected or hoped would happen.

While none of us likes war, ignoring the probability of more of them in the future is playing ostrich-in-the-sand. And it does not matter which candidate gets elected, as world events aren't really dictated within that 61.4square-mile area (namely, DC) on the eastern shore of the USA.

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Jim, Should we go to war with Russia, as Palin stated she would re Georgia, I feel pretty warm and fuzzy about it. After all, she has said she can see Russia from Alaska. She knows the terrain. That should give us a huge leg up in the battle.:Screen_of_Death: Substitute Screen of death for land of death.
It fills me with fury when people will fight to save an embryo but think nothing of going to war. The ensuing death of troops and civilians just can't match up to killing those embryos, no sir.:cus: Pagans.

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Jim, Should we go to war with Russia, as Palin stated she would re Georgia,
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SAMHASS...can you supply a direct quote on this. My understanding is that she said that Georgia should be part of NATO and then we would have the same responsiblities we have to any other NATO member. Am I wrong on this ?

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Listen to the interview again and you can answer your own question about Russia. After that go listen to McCain sing "Bomb Iran" to the tune of Barbara Ann by the Beach Boys. Save the embryos!!!!! What happened to the barf smily we used to have on here?

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Listen to the interview again and you can answer your own question about Russia.
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Thought I had (but known to be wrong)..that is why I asked you the source for your quote of ..Palin will go to war with Russia over Georgia. There is a HUGE difference in what you say and what I think she actually said !!!!!!

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Bucco You are correct. She said if Georgia was a member of NATO, then we would be required to come to their defense.

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http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege

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Bucco You are correct. She said if Georgia was a member of NATO, then we would be required to come to their defense.


There is so much misinformation out there, both on the Dem and Republican sides. Sally Jo .. Thanks for providing the correct information on this issue.

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Why don't we just invade the whole world while we're at it? Iraq, Iran, Korea, China, Russia. . . the list goes on and on. The mighty McCain/Palin duo can take over the world! Ya think?

No thanks. I'll vote for someone with the brains to think it through and the style of diplomacy that brings about peace. Senator Obama! :eclipsee_gold_cup:


http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm63/chelsea24_photos/Obama.jpg

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Why don't we just invade the whole world while we're at it? Iraq, Iran, Korea, China, Russia. . . the list goes on and on. The mighty McCain/Palin duo can take over the world! Ya think?

No thanks. I'll vote for someone with the brains to think it through and the style of diplomacy that brings about peace. Senator Obama!
I guess we hear the words differently. What I get out of it is a showing of backbone, making it clear that the US is not a footmat for the world's dirty shoes.

Sen. Obama's type of "diplomacy" has been tried before by Neville Chamberlain, Herbert Hoover, Norodom Sihanouk and many others. The results have been catastrophic - millions dead and $$trillions worth of damage despite the best of intentions. Idealistically, it all sounds rosy, but the tough guys of the world eat up the flower children for breakfast.

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I have been sitting here for 10 minutes trying to resist getting into this one. But I just have to throw this out there and then that's pretty much it. I guess. If I have any sense at all, I will never look back.

I do not cut nor do I paste. I do not link. But I think. And I have been doing a lot of thinking lately. And I have been watching as the Right and the Left are pretty much clawing each other's eyes out, all across the land.

And I keep thinking. . .What about me? What happened to me? A moderate Republican. A moderate Republican who happens to be a woman. Why didn't anybody care about me?

I feel like John McCain just slapped me right across the face. That is what this feels like to me. Exactly.

An arranged marriage. Arranged for the big fat dowry.

Where did that brave man go?

I know I was toying with him for a time, but I knew all along, somewhere deep in my heart, that if he picked a VP that I could live with, he could get me. I knew he could have. I even wrote a big thing on here one time about how people needed to lay off his age. Now I have no choice but to write him a "Dear John" letter.

When Christine Todd Whitman published It's My Party, Too: The Battle for the Heart of the GOP and the Future of America, I did not read it. I admit. But I like her attitude from what I have heard about her. Hey, maybe he could have picked her.

So I guess I will not bother to read it now. For me, I am afraid it looks like the party's over. And nobody is even noticing that I am gone. Me. Always was a moderate Republican woman. What am I now? Where am I now?

My heart is broken.

Boomer

Oh, and that really is all I wanted to say. I just had to say it and it seemed to fit under this thread's title perfectly.

:agree::agree: Me too. That is how I feel. Me too.