Speaking of Sinkholes

[TheVillageChicken]

I was in a nearby town recently at the home of a person who has been having sinkhole remediation ongoing for over six months. While chatting, one of the workers told us that his company has been working every day for over two months filling holes by pumping concrete under new unsold homes in The Villages. If this is true, I wonder if it is something that has to be disclosed by the seller. My guess is that it does not have to be disclosed since it would be considered part of the building process.

[cmj1210]

It absolutely has to be disclosed. When we were looking for our home we came across several that had remediation done & the realtor had to disclose the information. We did purchase a new home. I also believe these are the homes that get the hefty discounts.

[graciegirl]

I was in a nearby town recently at the home of a person who has been having sinkhole remediation ongoing for over six months. While chatting, one of the workers told us that his company has been working every day for over two months filling holes by pumping concrete under new unsold homes in The Villages. If this is true, I wonder if it is something that has to be disclosed by the seller. My guess is that it does not have to be disclosed since it would be considered part of the building process.





I have heard a lot of supposedly gospel truths from contractors that didn't amount to a hill of beans.

I know from a friend that sinkhole remediation has to be disclosed.

[dewilson58]

And Elvis was seen at Belle Glade eating a peanut butter and banana sandwich.

[golf2140]

And Elvis was seen at Belle Glade eating a peanut butter and banana sandwich.

Wow, are they on the menu at Belle Glade?

[Villager Joyce]

And Elvis was seen at Belle Glade eating a peanut butter and banana sandwich.

Fried or not fried? That answer will determine the truth.

[dewilson58]

Fried or not fried? That answer will determine the truth.

:MOJE_whot:

[golfing eagles]

I was in a nearby town recently at the home of a person who has been having sinkhole remediation ongoing for over six months. While chatting, one of the workers told us that his company has been working every day for over two months filling holes by pumping concrete under new unsold homes in The Villages. If this is true, I wonder if it is something that has to be disclosed by the seller. My guess is that it does not have to be disclosed since it would be considered part of the building process.

I don't know but seems unlikely. After all, the contractors building these homes have plenty of access to concrete. Why would they sub it out, especially if they were trying to keep it quiet? And if the contractors sub out all their concrete, maybe this guys company has been busy for over two months in TV pouring driveways and not filling sinkholes.
What are chances of 60+ sinkholes, all under homes, in an area that has about 2/ year on average? Given the relative square footage of home footprints versus everything else, I would think you would need about 3,000--6,000 sinkholes to have 60 under homes. I haven't looked out the window lately and viewed a moonscape, nor a giant block of Swiss cheese

[TheVillageChicken]

I don't know but seems unlikely. After all, the contractors building these homes have plenty of access to concrete. Why would they sub it out, especially if they were trying to keep it quiet? And if the contractors sub out all their concrete, maybe this guys company has been busy for over two months in TV pouring driveways and not filling sinkholes.
What are chances of 60+ sinkholes, all under homes, in an area that has about 2/ year on average? Given the relative square footage of home footprints versus everything else, I would think you would need about 3,000--6,000 sinkholes to have 60 under homes. I haven't looked out the window lately and viewed a moonscape, nor a giant block of Swiss cheese

Two months of pumping concrete does not necessarily indicate a large number of homes. My acquaintance in Lake County had the workers at his house for nearly six months and they poured nearly fifty truck loads of concrete.

The most interesting part of his story is that he told the insurance company that he would settle for $150K, but they insisted on doing the remediation which ended up costing $300K plus.

[golfing eagles]

Two months of pumping concrete does not necessarily indicate a large number of homes. My acquaintance in Lake County had the workers at his house for nearly six months and they poured nearly fifty truck loads of concrete.

The most interesting part of his story is that he told the insurance company that he would settle for $150K, but they insisted on doing the remediation which ended up costing $300K plus.

Even so, in the last 10 years how many sinkholes in TV have opened up under houses??? 2??, 3???. And while 50 loads is a lot, they can run the cement mixers in there as quickly as they can dump their loads

[justjim]

If these homes are in TV and sinkholes are under them, wouldn't you think that the other on-line news would make a report on it? Something of this nature would be difficult to go unnoticed in a place like The Villages IMHO.

[blueash]

Here is what the Florida Department of Environmental Protection says about sinkhole disclosure requirements:
FGS - Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.dep.state.fl.us/geology/contactus/faq.htm) question #20

"I am buying a new home and I want to know if there is a sinkhole disclosure law? Currently the Florida Statutes (Statute 627.7073 (2)(c)) require that a seller of real property is only obligated to disclose to the buyer that a sinkhole claim was made against the property and that the claim was paid by the insurer; they must also disclose whether the funds paid were used to repair the insured damage. Statutes may be modified during annual legislative sessions, so it is always prudent to check the most current statutes (see question #13 above). Most real estate seller’s disclosure forms used in Florida today include a sinkhole disclosure statement that covers sinkholes and earth movements in general. Sometimes it is overlooked. If it is in question, be sure to ask. "


I did not buy a new home from the Villages. I do not know if they use a disclosure form or not, they are not a private individual seller and they are not realtors thus not bound by the realtors' regulations, just by Florida law. If Florida law only requires disclosure of a sinkhole that has been repaired it is not clear to me that a sinkhole repaired by the builder which would not involve any insurance claim would need to be disclosed. And if they disclose would it just be to the prospective buyer of the single home or should they disclose to all homes in the vicinity? Or only if the sinkhole was under the home itself but no disclosure if it was in the yard or where they built the street? Perhaps someone looking to buy in the new construction will ask their agent which homes have been sinkhole repaired and see what gets disclosed.

[Nucky]

Have there been any sinkhole that anyone knows of on The Historic Side? We will be moving there shortly. Really even if anyone reported a problem we are coming to The Villages no matter what. Just interested. Feel free to ask your concrete questions of me and I'll do my best to answer your concern...It's a lot more technical than it appears.

[outlaw]

Have there been any sinkhole that anyone knows of on The Historic Side? We will be moving there shortly. Really even if anyone reported a problem we are coming to The Villages no matter what. Just interested. Feel free to ask your concrete questions of me and I'll do my best to answer your concern...It's a lot more technical than it appears.

I think there is a large (350x600 ft) sinkhole that backs up to the property along W Schwartz Blvd. It runs along the northern border of TV property behind about 12-13 homes. It's about 1/4 mile east of Lowes Home Improvement Center on 441. You can see it on Google map.

[Nucky]

Holy Mackerel. I don't wanna move down to The Villages and have 1% of controversy in my life. I spent my whole life figuring out everything and having to be a miracle worker to raise our family properly. I'm more than satisfied with the condition of our family that we are leaving. They are stable. Not happy but stable. A few people are trying to rain on our parade and have currently brought up the sinkhole issue. The first issue these same people went for was snakes & gators then the weather. I am learning, you guys already there are teaching and I'm hungry for knowledge, please keep the constructive information pipeline flowing. I would like to be ready for the next issue they throw at us. Really I just want my wife to relax and enjoy herself. The people screwing with us just love Holiday meals taken care of and a built in set of babysitters on call, self centered garbage. If a sinkhole gets us so be it as long as we go down together that's fine.

[fred53]

I was in a nearby town recently at the home of a person who has been having sinkhole remediation ongoing for over six months. While chatting, one of the workers told us that his company has been working every day for over two months filling holes by pumping concrete under new unsold homes in The Villages. If this is true, I wonder if it is something that has to be disclosed by the seller. My guess is that it does not have to be disclosed since it would be considered part of the building process.

someone posts an unsubstantiated rumor just to get people excited?

[golfing eagles]

Holy Mackerel. I don't wanna move down to The Villages and have 1% of controversy in my life. I spent my whole life figuring out everything and having to be a miracle worker to raise our family properly. I'm more than satisfied with the condition of our family that we are leaving. They are stable. Not happy but stable. A few people are trying to rain on our parade and have currently brought up the sinkhole issue. The first issue these same people went for was snakes & gators then the weather. I am learning, you guys already there are teaching and I'm hungry for knowledge, please keep the constructive information pipeline flowing. I would like to be ready for the next issue they throw at us. Really I just want my wife to relax and enjoy herself. The people screwing with us just love Holiday meals taken care of and a built in set of babysitters on call, self centered garbage. If a sinkhole gets us so be it as long as we go down together that's fine.

Please remember, life in TV, and that which is represented on ToTV are two very different things.

If all anyone knew about TV was learned from this site, they'd be running in the opposite direction and hiding under a rock. There is great information on this site, and even some great jokes:1rotfl:
But if anyone took the rest of it as gospel truth, they would be imagining a bobcat chewing on their right leg, an alligator eating their left leg, a poisonous snake wrapped around their left arm, and a coyote snatching their little doggie off the leash held in their right hand----and that would be a GOOD day:1rotfl:
The rest of their time would be spent stepping in dog poop, fighting for a seat at the squares, getting trampled by line dancers, smelling toxic fumes on Volusia, dealing with accidents in the roundabouts, getting hit by drunks and speeders on the MMP, having horrible meals with horrible service at all the horrible restaurants, playing a 1700 yard exec course in 4 hours, driving your own cart off the MMP from lack of striping, patrolling your neighborhood for 8 inch garden gnomes, and climbing out of sinkholes every other day.

Now THAT's what I call an active adult lifestyle!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

So seriously, get back down here, leave the snow of NJ behind, and enjoy everything TV has to offer. See you soon

[Nucky]

God Bless You Doc...Great Diagnosis. You saved me with the damn snakes also.

[golfing eagles]

God Bless You Doc...Great Diagnosis. You saved me with the damn snakes also.

Happy to help

[outlaw]

Don't forget the gun fights. This IS Florida.

[outlaw]

someone posts an unsubstantiated rumor just to get people excited?

Why question the OP's motive? Maybe he was just trying to share some info, or see if anyone else had any better info on the subject.

[looneycat]

Holy Mackerel. I don't wanna move down to The Villages and have 1% of controversy in my life. I spent my whole life figuring out everything and having to be a miracle worker to raise our family properly. I'm more than satisfied with the condition of our family that we are leaving. They are stable. Not happy but stable. A few people are trying to rain on our parade and have currently brought up the sinkhole issue. The first issue these same people went for was snakes & gators then the weather. I am learning, you guys already there are teaching and I'm hungry for knowledge, please keep the constructive information pipeline flowing. I would like to be ready for the next issue they throw at us. Really I just want my wife to relax and enjoy herself. The people screwing with us just love Holiday meals taken care of and a built in set of babysitters on call, self centered garbage. If a sinkhole gets us so be it as long as we go down together that's fine.

stop reading totv and you will be perfectly content

[tomwed]

Holy Mackerel. I don't wanna move down to The Villages and have 1% of controversy in my life.
You just have to take all that you read with a grain of salt. But then you need to get your blood pressure checked cause taking all that salt will kill you.

[outlaw]

Wait until you smell the water, or the neighborhood dump site. Whew.

[fred53]

Why question the OP's motive? Maybe he was just trying to share some info, or see if anyone else had any better info on the subject.

questioning a motive as motives drive many people to disclose/say/opine about things they know nothing about and cause unnecessary anxiety to those stupid enough to not question the source....take for example someone claiming what they do is okay, but really knows it isn't and does it for ego's sake....you know what I mean eh?

[golfing eagles]

Don't forget the gun fights. This IS Florida.

Wait until you smell the water, or the neighborhood dump site. Whew.

Well, that's one way to keep crowding down---scare off the newbies

[Barefoot]

Please remember, life in TV, and that which is represented on ToTV are two very different things.
If all anyone knew about TV was learned from this site, they'd be running in the opposite direction and hiding under a rock. There is great information on this site, and even some great jokes:1rotfl:
But if anyone took the rest of it as gospel truth, they would be imagining a bobcat chewing on their right leg, an alligator eating their left leg, a poisonous snake wrapped around their left arm, and a coyote snatching their little doggie off the leash held in their right hand----and that would be a GOOD day:1rotfl:
The rest of their time would be spent stepping in dog poop, fighting for a seat at the squares, getting trampled by line dancers, smelling toxic fumes on Volusia, dealing with accidents in the roundabouts, getting hit by drunks and speeders on the MMP, having horrible meals with horrible service at all the horrible restaurants, playing a 1700 yard exec course in 4 hours, driving your own cart off the MMP from lack of striping, patrolling your neighborhood for 8 inch garden gnomes, and climbing out of sinkholes every other day.
Now THAT's what I call an active adult lifestyle!!!
Funny Eagle. :evil6:

[golfing eagles]

Funny Eagle. :evil6:


:mademyday:

I try

[Mckeanrick@yahoo.com]

Yes and conditions weather repaired or not do in fact need to be disclosed to the consumer.
Even a roof that has leaked and was repaired must be disclosed to a buyer. Sink holes could detract a buyer and therefore could effect the resale of the home in the future are factors.
I am a REALTOR licensed in the State of Florida and this is how honest information is shared. A non Realtor may tell you another story. Ask the agent if they are a REALTOR.

[Barefoot]

Yes and conditions weather repaired or not do in fact need to be disclosed to the consumer.
Even a roof that has leaked and was repaired must be disclosed to a buyer. Sink holes could detract a buyer and therefore could effect the resale of the home in the future are factors.

I believe the OP was talking about new homes, and questioning whether filling sink holes would have to be disclosed. Or whether it could be just part of the construction process and not disclosed.
Does your post refer only to resale homes, or does it also apply to new homes?

[outlaw]

Well, that's one way to keep crowding down---scare off the newbies

Look at it this way; more available tee times.

[outlaw]

questioning a motive as motives drive many people to disclose/say/opine about things they know nothing about and cause unnecessary anxiety to those stupid enough to not question the source....take for example someone claiming what they do is okay, but really knows it isn't and does it for ego's sake....you know what I mean eh?

You know you want a Harley. Just do it.

[The Fed]

If you really want to know if there were sinkholes near you, just call your homeowners insurance agent and ask. Your rates are affected by nearby sink holes.