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Mleeja
10-22-2015, 03:19 PM
After the most recent golf cart accident, it appears as if seat belts saved some lives. If this has prompted anyone to install seatbelts, I reccoment Bill Colgan. He did both of our Club Cars and is reasonability priced.
Bill specializes in Yahamas and Club Cars. Give him a call at 352-280-0141. He will come to your home to install. Takes about 30 minutes!
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
10-22-2015, 03:45 PM
After the most recent golf cart accident, it appears as if seat belts saved some lives. If this has prompted anyone to install seatbelts, I reccoment Bill Colgan. He did both of our Club Cars and is reasonability priced.
Bill specializes in Yahamas and Club Cars. Give him a call at 352-280-0141. He will come to your home to install. Takes about 30 minutes!
Two people were in the golf cart, bot were wearing seat belts. One died on sustained serious injuries. I don't know that I would conclude that a seatbelt saved any lives in this instance.
JoelJohnson
10-22-2015, 04:04 PM
That was more severe than most accidents. I would have to check, but I would think that most golf cart accidents are things like hitting the curb, a cart turns too quickly and the passenger falls out, one cart hits another etc.
I have seat belts on our carts, if nothing else, at least they'll find the bodies.
Shimpy
10-22-2015, 04:32 PM
Just because someone died in an accident and was wearing a seat belt doesn't mean seatbelts don't work for any accidents. Do what you want, but you're chances WITH a seat belt are much in your favor just as in your car.
This cart was t-boned by a van on the drivers side. The seatbelt will help in situations where you can be thrown out of the cart. In this case the driver was hit directly by the van on the drivers side.
TNLAKEPANDA
10-22-2015, 05:00 PM
With all the crazy drivers here in the Villages (not you of course) one could easily get bumped in a parking lot or just going down the road. If that happens the chances are you will go flying out of the cart resulting in some type of injury. It does not matter who's fault it is the end result will be the same. Seat belts are a good idea. I don't have them on the front seats but do on the rear seat. I will be getting them in the front too.
Bogie Shooter
10-22-2015, 05:57 PM
If you make a left turn from the cart lane, you need to be driving a tank. Seat belts don't give you the right to make that turn.
bagboy
10-22-2015, 06:16 PM
I agree that in the accident on Odell, the driver took the brunt of the force of impact directly to his left side. It is very possible if not probable that the passenger was spared from being thrown to the pavement because she was wearing a seat/shoulder restraint. I wish her well in her recovery.
For us, the choice to install seatbelts and use them was the right thing to do. It is of course a choice.
billethkid
10-22-2015, 06:24 PM
The real issue involved with the most recent golf cart death proves once again that GOLF CARTS do not belong on the roadway with motor vehicles.
I will never understand why people spend the extra money to have a cart be street legal...meaning insurance and registration....to go 5 miles per hour faster....and expose ones self to significantly more danger.
Golf carts designed for the rigors of the golf course....nothing more. The law was stretched by adding lights and turn signals, etc to drive aftem on the MMP after dark.
To stretch that minimal golf course design to allow travel among vehicles that outweigh, out run and over run a golf cart with EASE......just makes one wonder how it was allowed and why some would expose themselves to the significant dangers.
dbussone
10-22-2015, 06:24 PM
I agree that in the accident on Odell, the driver took the brunt of the force of impact directly to his left side. It is very possible if not probable that the passenger was spared from being thrown to the pavement because she was wearing a seat/shoulder restraint. I wish her well in her recovery.
For us, the choice to install seatbelts and use them was the right thing to do. It is of course a choice.
I consider adding seat belts to our cart one of our best investments - especially for $129 the set.
tomwed
10-22-2015, 06:51 PM
I consider adding seat belts to our cart one of our best investments - especially for $129 the set.
I hate to be "that guy". But as a bike rider I think a bike helmet is just as essential. I know it saved me a concussion last year when I accidentally got my legs tumbled up in a bike trailer, fell down backwards and cracked the back of my head.
Remember our Dad's use to say "a word to the wise is sufficient?" I'll bet they got that from some WWII drill Sargent.
Challenger
10-22-2015, 06:54 PM
The real issue involved with the most recent golf cart death proves once again that GOLF CARTS do not belong on the roadway with motor vehicles.
I will never understand why people spend the extra money to have a cart be street legal...meaning insurance and registration....to go 5 miles per hour faster....and expose ones self to significantly more danger.
Golf carts designed for the rigors of the golf course....nothing more. The law was stretched by adding lights and turn signals, etc to drive aftem on the MMP after dark.
To stretch that minimal golf course design to allow travel among vehicles that outweigh, out run and over run a golf cart with EASE......just makes one wonder how it was allowed and why some would expose themselves to the significant dangers.
I agree "Tis a puzzlement"
dbussone
10-22-2015, 07:07 PM
I hate to be "that guy". But as a bike rider I think a bike helmet is just as essential. I know it saved me a concussion last year when I accidentally got my legs tumbled up in a bike trailer, fell down backwards and cracked the back of my head.
Remember our Dad's use to say "a word to the wise is sufficient?" I'll bet they got that from some WWII drill Sargent.
I understand completely. I gave up riding when I almost got killed in Miami.
kcrazorbackfan
10-22-2015, 07:21 PM
After the most recent golf cart accident, it appears as if seat belts saved some lives. If this has prompted anyone to install seatbelts, I reccoment Bill Colgan. He did both of our Club Cars and is reasonability priced.
Bill specializes in Yahamas and Club Cars. Give him a call at 352-280-0141. He will come to your home to install. Takes about 30 minutes!
Bill did both of our carts. I worked enough accidents in my career to know that seatbelts do save SOME lives. But, wearing seatbelts shouldn't give people a superman complex to drive foolishly or recklessly. This was an accident that could have been easily prevented if not for the cart drivers inattentiveness.
dbussone
10-22-2015, 07:49 PM
Bill did both of our carts. I worked enough accidents in my career to know that seatbelts do save SOME lives. But, wearing seatbelts shouldn't give people a superman complex to drive foolishly or recklessly. This was an accident that could have been easily prevented if not for the cart drivers inattentiveness.
As much as we all hate to admit, it appears you are absolutely correct.
JoMar
10-22-2015, 10:08 PM
The real issue involved with the most recent golf cart death proves once again that GOLF CARTS do not belong on the roadway with motor vehicles.
I will never understand why people spend the extra money to have a cart be street legal...meaning insurance and registration....to go 5 miles per hour faster....and expose ones self to significantly more danger.
Golf carts designed for the rigors of the golf course....nothing more. The law was stretched by adding lights and turn signals, etc to drive aftem on the MMP after dark.
To stretch that minimal golf course design to allow travel among vehicles that outweigh, out run and over run a golf cart with EASE......just makes one wonder how it was allowed and why some would expose themselves to the significant dangers.
I agree, since this a golf cart community there should be parking lots built outside TV and all motor vehicles required to part out there.....:). The driver made a fatal mistake and that is sad on many levels, but his choice to drive a cart was his choice, as it is for 60,000 of us. Since you don't drive a cart, please don't pontificate to those of us that do. We make choices for us, as you make choices for you.
billethkid
10-22-2015, 10:32 PM
I agree, since this a golf cart community there should be parking lots built outside TV and all motor vehicles required to part out there.....:). The driver made a fatal mistake and that is sad on many levels, but his choice to drive a cart was his choice, as it is for 60,000 of us. Since you don't drive a cart, please don't pontificate to those of us that do. We make choices for us, as you make choices for you.
Where was it stated I do not drive a goff cart? It isn't ! And I do!
My commentary was not pontificating at all. There was no intent, not even a thought about challenging anyone's decision to drive where they want, when or how.
I fully support to each his/her own.
It does not mean I have to agree.
Villager Joyce
10-23-2015, 05:50 AM
Seat belts are like chicken soup. They may not help but thry won't hurt.
graciegirl
10-23-2015, 06:03 AM
Where was it stated I do not drive a goff cart? It isn't ! And I do!
My commentary was not pontificating at all. There was no intent, not even a thought about challenging anyone's decision to drive where they want, when or how.
I fully support to each his/her own.
It does not mean I have to agree.
I understood what you meant and was surprised when Jomar said what he said.
I think that someone lost their life and we are once again reminded of a lot of very sad facts about life being precious.....and far shorter than it used to be.
Please everyone drive very carefully. We are getting crowded and a lot of new folks are driving carts and a lot of new folks are driving our roadways and well we are older, some of us a lot older.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
10-23-2015, 07:35 AM
I'm not against seat belts. In fact I would agree that they are probably very useful when hitting a curb, taking turns too fast or getting "bumped" by another vehicle.
I think that it's a stretch however when people see an accident like this and jump to the conclusion that a seat belt saved anyone's life. I think that the woman is probably alive because she was cushioned from the impact by her husband's body. And don't forget, she is very seriously injured.
I think that in bad collisions it's probably 50/50 whether or not a seat belt will help or not. If a cart gets hit by a car or truck and is dragged for a distance a person might be better off being thrown from the cart. There are circumstances where remaining in the cart might cause further injuries.
Still, I am probably going to install seat belts.
JoelJohnson
10-23-2015, 07:46 AM
Maybe "street legal" golf carts should be banned?
outlaw
10-23-2015, 08:05 AM
Street legal golf carts were created because of the LSV statutes. LSV came into being to promote clean energy electric vehicles. Notice that there are no gasoline powered street legal golf carts. A few years ago, the federal government was basically paying for the price of these LSVs through alternative energy rebates. After some bad publicity, the feds changed the rebate program to a much smaller/reasonable rebate (10% of purchase price, I think). Now, I think, the rebate excludes "golf carts". But, the LSV statutes are still on the books, so manufacturers are still building them.
billethkid
10-23-2015, 08:45 AM
Street legal golf carts were created because of the LSV statutes. LSV came into being to promote clean energy electric vehicles. Notice that there are no gasoline powered street legal golf carts. A few years ago, the federal government was basically paying for the price of these LSVs through alternative energy rebates. After some bad publicity, the feds changed the rebate program to a much smaller/reasonable rebate (10% of purchase price, I think). Now, I think, the rebate excludes "golf carts". But, the LSV statutes are still on the books, so manufacturers are still building them.
But there are gas powered street legal carts. Or maybe I have the semantics wrong.
If there is a difference in an LSV and a gas powered street legal cart?
tomwed
10-23-2015, 08:57 AM
LOW SPEED VEHICLES (LSVs) Q&A #8
What is the difference between a golf cart and a Low Speed Vehicle?
Primarily, a golf cart is designed with a top speed of twenty miles per hour or less, while a Low Speed Vehicle is defined as a four wheeled electric vehicle whose top speed is greater than 20 mph, but less than 25 mph. Golf carts that can go over 20 mph because of their original equipment or due to post-sale modifications are considered LSVs. Golf Cart and LSV Questions & Answers - Golf Cart Safety (http://www.golfcartsafety.com/questions-answers#q_lsv_8)
seems like it can be either gas or electric
red tail
10-23-2015, 09:00 AM
Maybe "street legal" golf carts should be banned?
street legal carts are safer than golf carts. ie....4 wheel hydraulic brakes/shatterproof windshield,emergency brake,wipers,heavier frame and rollbars.seat belts,heavier suspension etc etc etc
billethkid
10-23-2015, 09:04 AM
street legal carts are safer than golf carts. ie....4 wheel hydraulic brakes/shatterproof windshield,emergency brake,wipers,heavier frame and rollbars.seat belts,heavier suspension etc etc etc
But still no match against all other street/roadway vehicles.
tomwed
10-23-2015, 09:08 AM
street legal carts are safer than golf carts. ie....4 wheel hydraulic brakes/shatterproof windshield,emergency brake,wipers,heavier frame and rollbars.seat belts,heavier suspension etc etc etc
I agree with you. You really don't get much for your money especially when it comes to safety in a golf cart. But it is safer than a bike.
justjim
10-23-2015, 09:52 AM
I agree with you. You really don't get much for your money especially when it comes to safety in a golf cart. But it is safer than a bike.
I think you are exactly correct. However, I see many Street Legal carts that do not have windshield wipers. Perhaps an exception for The Villages? Perhaps "they" made other exceptions too.
Since a Street Legal is suppose to go only 25mph, it's seems very dangerous to me on a road with 35mph speed limit. I would not want a car/truck to run into the back of me because I was going much slower than the traffic. :MOJE_whot:
golfing eagles
10-23-2015, 10:00 AM
Since a Street Legal is suppose to go only 25mph, it's seems very dangerous to me on a road with 35mph speed limit. I would not want a car/truck to run into the back of me because I was going much slower than the traffic.
Same can be said for those who drive their cars at 25 mph
rustyp
10-23-2015, 10:40 AM
Number 1 cause of golf cart fatalities in The Villages - The Tee Time system
tomwed
10-23-2015, 10:41 AM
street legal carts are safer than golf carts. ie....4 wheel hydraulic brakes/shatterproof windshield,emergency brake,wipers,heavier frame and rollbars.seat belts,heavier suspension etc etc etc
Are you thinking of GEM cars in particular?
This seems like a pretty good deal, doesn't it?
2015 GEM e2 Electric Passenger Vehicle : Features (http://www.polaris.com/en-us/gem-electric-car/e2)
red tail
10-23-2015, 10:46 AM
Are you thinking of GEM cars in particular?
This seems like a pretty good deal, doesn't it?
2015 GEM e2 Electric Passenger Vehicle : Features (http://www.polaris.com/en-us/gem-electric-car/e2)
that's a better deal than a golf cart for the same money for sure!
tomwed
10-23-2015, 11:46 AM
that's a better deal than a golf cart for the same money for sure!
Did you look at the specs?
http://polaris.hs.llnwd.net/o40/lev/2015/manuals-and-guides/gem-specsheet-e2.pdf
RickeyD
10-23-2015, 12:25 PM
Cool vehicle, but the range sucks.
outlaw
10-23-2015, 12:41 PM
street legal carts are safer than golf carts. ie....4 wheel hydraulic brakes/shatterproof windshield,emergency brake,wipers,heavier frame and rollbars.seat belts,heavier suspension etc etc etc
You don't have to have 4 wheel hydraulic brakes, emergency brake, wipers, heavier frame, rollbars, or heavier suspension to have a street legal cart.
tomwed
10-23-2015, 01:12 PM
Cool vehicle, but the range sucks.
35 miles is not enough from here to there in TV? The GEM's are special because their charge is on board [I think]. So if you go to a friends house, and feeling a little "undercharged" you could plug it in.
RickeyD
10-23-2015, 01:43 PM
35 miles is not enough from here to there in TV? The GEM's are special because their charge is on board [I think]. So if you go to a friends house, and feeling a little "undercharged" you could plug it in.
I never allow my gas vehicle to go below 3/4. It's an OCD thing, I'd freak out seeing a low battery warning light. Such is my life.
rubicon
10-23-2015, 02:05 PM
I just bought a new cart. The dealer did not push for seat belts in fact his tone and manner left me with the impression that he was not impressed with them as a safety feature....nor am I. I am more inclined to believe a 3 point system is much better than just a lap belt.
In any event my wife would feel more secure and so I had the dealer add seat belts...seat belts that she actually uses.
As to accident in general and the accident which created this thread in particular let me say this.
Call it fate. call it a miracle. call it luck but I inspected wrecked vehicles for many years. Some so twisted you can't tell their cars but just a hunk of metal and people walked away without a scratch. Some hardly damaged and a person or people died.
I've investigated accidents were people were thrown from their cars and died from the impact and some but for the fact that they were thrown from the vehicle and not still in it that would have been crushed like a bug and again walked away without a scratch. I've seen some folks with seat belts on that faced death and were glad they had their seat belts on and some who were injured because they had worn seat belts..One guy whose tractor trailer overturned was hanging by his seat belt and because of that damaged his spin and was totally paralyzed
red tail
10-23-2015, 02:11 PM
35 miles is not enough from here to there in TV? The GEM's are special because their charge is on board [I think]. So if you go to a friends house, and feeling a little "undercharged" you could plug it in.
tomberlin also has on board charger
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
10-23-2015, 03:46 PM
Maybe "street legal" golf carts should be banned?
The two fatal accidents in the past year or so did not involve street legal carts.
Why the suggestion to ban them?
And heavier suspension, four wheel brakes, windshield wipers and all the rest won't help if the driver turns into an oncoming car.
JoMar
10-23-2015, 05:29 PM
tomberlin also has on board charger
Par Car also has an on board charger.....range used so far is 60 miles on a charge with plenty left. I will not do 60 ever again.....still questioning why I did it the first time.
JoMar
10-23-2015, 05:36 PM
I understood what you meant and was surprised when Jomar said what he said.
I think that someone lost their life and we are once again reminded of a lot of very sad facts about life being precious.....and far shorter than it used to be.
Please everyone drive very carefully. We are getting crowded and a lot of new folks are driving carts and a lot of new folks are driving our roadways and well we are older, some of us a lot older.
Then I guess I read his post incorrectly.....I though he was taking shots at people that spend money for street legal and expressed not understanding why anyone would expose themselves to the danger. If that was just musing then I made the wrong assumption and apologize.
dotti105
10-23-2015, 10:26 PM
My husband's Star cart has a 60 mile range. I have a Ca Roadster with a 50 mile range.
The Gem range is really low for a new model electric cart. (or SLV) If you go from Brownwood to Spanish Spring and play a round of golf, then head to the Lake Sumter for dancing and dinner, you might be hard pressed to get home to Brownwood in a Gem, if that is their true range.
The onboard charger is really not a big deal. It is nice because you always know where it is and it is one less thing to clutter up your garage. But you can't just plug in at a friends for a couple of hrs and get sufficient juice.
When you charge a golf cart, it takes 5-8 hrs to properly charge. if you plug in for an hr or two, Battery Boys explained that it would actually decrease the charge of the batteries as well as the life of the batteries to do that.
We just routinely plug in our carts at night. Like locking the doors and turning out the lights. In the morning they are good to go.
We have never been stuck, like many gas owners claim. I take that back, Hubby picked up a nail and had a flat tire. Had to call **** Aid for a tire repair. But our electric carts are awesome. Sure wouldn't trade them for gas.
Different strokes for different folks!
graciegirl
10-24-2015, 07:29 AM
I suspect that a lot of people who buy electric are environmentalists.
I reuse, recycle and try not to waste, but I trust gas. And when I am miles from home and a thunderstorm is threatening, I like being sure I am not running out of fuel.
red tail
10-24-2015, 07:45 AM
I suspect that a lot of people who buy electric are environmentalists.
I reuse, recycle and try not to waste, but I trust gas. And when I am miles from home and a thunderstorm is threatening, I like being sure I am not running out of fuel.
what is the difference between topping off your batteries vs topping off your gas tank?
graciegirl
10-24-2015, 07:51 AM
what is the difference between topping off your batteries vs topping off your gas tank?
As I said. We have one of each.
Why do you prefer electric? Doesn't smell and is quieter?
I prefer gas because it gets me where I'm goin'.
red tail
10-24-2015, 07:57 AM
As I said. We have one of each.
Why do you prefer electric? Doesn't smell and is quieter?
I prefer gas because it gets me where I'm goin'.
oops....I didn't read it correctly. my bad
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
10-24-2015, 08:22 AM
My husband's Star cart has a 60 mile range. I have a Ca Roadster with a 50 mile range.
The Gem range is really low for a new model electric cart. (or SLV) If you go from Brownwood to Spanish Spring and play a round of golf, then head to the Lake Sumter for dancing and dinner, you might be hard pressed to get home to Brownwood in a Gem, if that is their true range.
The onboard charger is really not a big deal. It is nice because you always know where it is and it is one less thing to clutter up your garage. But you can't just plug in at a friends for a couple of hrs and get sufficient juice.
When you charge a golf cart, it takes 5-8 hrs to properly charge. if you plug in for an hr or two, Battery Boys explained that it would actually decrease the charge of the batteries as well as the life of the batteries to do that.
We just routinely plug in our carts at night. Like locking the doors and turning out the lights. In the morning they are good to go.
We have never been stuck, like many gas owners claim. I take that back, Hubby picked up a nail and had a flat tire. Had to call **** Aid for a tire repair. But our electric carts are awesome. Sure wouldn't trade them for gas.
Different strokes for different folks!
This /\ /\ /\
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
10-24-2015, 08:26 AM
I bought new Ranger batteries for my 2003 Club Car. They give me 160 minutes of running time which equates to about 70 miles on a straight, flat road. Realistically I can go about 50 miles.
Villager Joyce
10-24-2015, 08:30 AM
what is the difference between topping off your batteries vs topping off your gas tank?
If I read dotti105s post correctly, it can/does harm the battery.
tomwed
10-24-2015, 09:46 AM
what is the difference between topping off your batteries vs topping off your gas tank?
I don't think it's a good idea to put gas on top of your batteries.
tomwed
10-24-2015, 09:48 AM
This /\ /\ /\
As usual, I have the opposite opinion \/ \/ \/
dbussone
10-24-2015, 09:52 AM
Or >>>
tomwed
10-24-2015, 09:56 AM
Or >>>
now you've gone too far-----moderator please put the brakes on this poster!
dbussone
10-24-2015, 09:59 AM
Ok Tom. <<<
tomwed
10-24-2015, 10:02 AM
Ok Tom. <<<
That's better.
Let's not venture too far out of the envelope.
dbussone
10-24-2015, 10:19 AM
Or the bubble.
tomwed
10-24-2015, 10:34 AM
Or the bubble.
>>>>>> will pop the bubble for sure
Moderator
10-24-2015, 11:12 AM
The topic is seat belts in golf carts. Please stay on topic.
John Palanci
10-26-2015, 06:39 AM
Seat belts saves lives that's tru but the belts on carts are just lap belts not sure how effective that would be, the stretch of Odel circle where the accident happened cars and golf carts alike they drive as if they are on a raceway, specially the carts that go way over the speed limit, few traffic stops and $500 ticket would cure some of that problem.
OhioBuckeye
10-26-2015, 07:59 AM
Personally, I don't have seat belts in my cart. Not saying they won't save a life, but my golf cart will run 21mph, tops. Every golf cart that I see in my rear view mirror coming at me always, always catches up to me & most generally passes me when I'm going 20mph, what's their big hurry, we're retired, are they late for their golf tee time, or are they just in a big hurry to get home & sit on the couch. What I'm saying is seat belts are for the race car golf cart drivers & the ones that are in a hurry to go nowhere. A golf cart is no match for a car or a mini van like the wreck in front of Odell Rec Center. Most of the accidents on carts are almost always because people drive way to fast or they leave to go to an appointment at 9:00 & they leave at 8:55. Seat belts do save lives, but do a much better job in Cars!
eddz3475
10-26-2015, 08:29 AM
I agree that seat belts should be used in a golf cart. But, being rather new to The Villages, I have observed that people driving the golf carts need to respect the fact that cars have the right of way and carts should yield to them. I've seen way too many near accidents because golf cart drivers feel they have the right to pull out in front of a car and the car is expected to yield to them. I guess they just don't want to use their brakes!
LadyPenO
10-26-2015, 09:46 AM
As much as I would like to install seat belts, I can't help but think and want to know that if in an accident, I am able to jump free of my cart. I have this fear of being pinned under my cart.
Fredman
10-26-2015, 02:30 PM
As much as I would like to install seat belts, I can't help but think and want to know that if in an accident, I am able to jump free of my cart. I have this fear of being pinned under my cart.
Trust me you can not jump that fast:boom:
The Fed
10-26-2015, 04:23 PM
I saw a older Pontiac Sunbird get nailed broadside when the driver made a U-turn in front of a trash truck. The Sunbird was crushed to half its width. The driver survived because he wasn't wearing his seat belt. He was literally pushed into the passenger seat as his car folded up around him. I'm positive he would have died if restrained by a seat belt. Pretty rare, but it happens. I didn't see the golf cart but it seems this could have happened to the golf cart driver
dotti105
10-28-2015, 09:30 AM
We have seat belts in one cart and not the other. We do plan to get the 2nd one outfitted with seat belts too.
The reason.....our grandchildren. We have heard of accidents where very little body damage was done to the cart, but the occupants were thrown out. That is the most likely scenario here in TV.
If it prevents one injury, even a small one, it is a good investment and I think it reiterates, for the kids, the importance of safety and use of seat belts overall.
bagboy
10-28-2015, 11:46 AM
It doesn't even have to be a collision. Unexpected braking or a quick little turn of the wheel left by a cart driver can eject a passenger from a golf cart. I'm a firm believer in seatbelts on golf carts.
Shimpy
10-28-2015, 03:09 PM
It doesn't even have to be a collision. Unexpected braking or a quick little turn of the wheel left by a cart driver can eject a passenger from a golf cart. I'm a firm believer in seatbelts on golf carts.
I agree......We heard these arguments when seat belts came out in cars and then air bags. Years of statistics prove them effective. There are only very rare instances when they wouldn't be. Like they say, "you pays your money and you takes your choice".........In a car it's a law for seat belts, but in a cart it's your choice......and life.
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