View Full Version : Jail time now possible if you have a fake service animal
cms36
10-24-2015, 09:04 PM
Jail time now possible if you have a fake service animal (http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2015/7/1/service_dogs_law.html)
JoMar
10-24-2015, 10:12 PM
Only works if the business asks for the documentation and since this is TV, doubt that will happen.
DonH57
10-24-2015, 10:45 PM
So my dog alerting me when I get within 500 feet of Dunkin's was all a lie ? I so trusted him too.
BS Beef
10-24-2015, 11:12 PM
I love it. I think it's great. I'm just wondering who's "on the fence" on whether to do this or not. What's wrong with someone that they would do this?
dalecrenshaw
10-25-2015, 12:22 AM
My husband and I were in a restaurant tonight where a woman came in with her "Chihauhau" 5 lb "emotional support dog". This is not a "Service Dog" that helps disabled people. I am a lover of animals, but I do think that people bringing in their emotional support dogs has been abused...and now the authorities are thinking of taking away this privilege from those "few" people that might really need service dog for the handicap or an emotional support dog. This is really being abused by people that can't bear to leave their pets home and bring them into restaurants or grocery stores, where it is unsanitary or people are allergic to pets. I once sat is a restaurant where an emotional support dog was allowed in, seemed to be well behaved, slept under the table when his owners ate, then awoke, and did his business on the desert tray. I believe that those disabled people who have licensed service dogs, who have been trained and certified as well trained, deserve to bring in their service dogs to help them with their needs, but the word has gotten around that the general public can get an "emotional support" pet certification through the internet without any proof that they need it just because they want to take their pet to restaurants, take them on airplanes without paying the normal $250 fee, or take them to grocery stores, because they can't bear to leave them at home. This is being abused and will ruin it for the people that truly need support.
Chatbrat
10-25-2015, 01:41 AM
As a customer in an establishment, and a person comes in with an emotional support or other animal that is not a support dog i will call law enforcement after July 1 and ask them to handle it.
Miles42
10-25-2015, 09:17 AM
Awesome I hope it gets attention and business people start asking for paperwork.
Cobh521
10-25-2015, 09:42 AM
Great News!
Jima64
10-25-2015, 09:46 AM
Only works if the business asks for the documentation and since this is TV, doubt that will happen.
I support people having to show id for any kind of support animal. I think the way the law is written you are not allowed to ask for id. I say make them carry and produce information.
redwitch
10-25-2015, 09:57 AM
Sadly, establishments won't be allowed to ask for certification -- federal law does not have it, so states don't have it. All that can be asked is whether the individual has a disability and what is the animal trained to do. ESAs generally do not qualify as service animals, so can be banned. The odds of a restaurant or store risking bad publicity or a lawsuit pretty much guaranties that the questions won't be asked and that the cheats will continue to abuse this right of the disabled.
Trayderjoe
10-25-2015, 10:56 AM
Sadly, establishments won't be allowed to ask for certification -- federal law does not have it, so states don't have it. All that can be asked is whether the individual has a disability and what is the animal trained to do. ESAs generally do not qualify as service animals, so can be banned. The odds of a restaurant or store risking bad publicity or a lawsuit pretty much guaranties that the questions won't be asked and that the cheats will continue to abuse this right of the disabled.
Hopefully the new law will provide some support so that businesses would not fear negative publicity or lawsuits. More light does need to be put on the subject as IMHO, we should show more respect to both the person in need of a service animal and the animal who is busy working on behalf of their owner.
Should I see a situation arise where a person with a ESA makes a scene, I would have no problem with waiting for the authorities to inform them of what I saw and heard.
TVMayor
10-25-2015, 12:07 PM
If your dog gets arrested for impersonating a service dog, will he have a trial and will he be forced to testify?
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graciegirl
10-25-2015, 01:21 PM
Great News!
I agree. Went to Steinmart today and as we were leaving two women were blocking the entrance/exit trying to get Poochie into a cart. The Steinmart Cart had a cloth bottom so puppy would be comfortable and would likely leave some doggie hair that would be picked up by the next user.
Those who know me well, really do know my sincere affection for dogs and cats but some folks and their kids, furry and otherwise just aren't very thoughty.
Small dog, not vicious, cute as Christmas, but just shoulda been at home, IMVHO.
Jimturner
10-25-2015, 01:38 PM
Impersonating a handy capped person ugh! I give my furry friends all the love of any family member, but I respect my neighbors enough not to force my love of animals on them. Too darn many people are ITS ALL ABOUT ME these days and it saddens me to see it and live it.
KeepingItReal
10-25-2015, 11:00 PM
Sadly, establishments won't be allowed to ask for certification -- federal law does not have it, so states don't have it. All that can be asked is whether the individual has a disability and what is the animal trained to do. ESAs generally do not qualify as service animals, so can be banned. The odds of a restaurant or store risking bad publicity or a lawsuit pretty much guaranties that the questions won't be asked and that the cheats will continue to abuse this right of the disabled.
Emotional support dogs or comfort dogs never qualify as service animals. Managers that care will make it work, those too afraid to ask won't...
Patty55
10-26-2015, 12:55 AM
Minis are now included in service animals. How cute is that?
rubicon
10-26-2015, 04:29 AM
Has our society become so fragile that people need emotional support dogs?
As a side note those pictures where dogs are dressed as humans and playing poker freak me out Ugh
Retiring
10-26-2015, 03:42 PM
Too darn many people are ITS ALL ABOUT ME these days .
Jim, that is exactly what this is all about.
I have to be honest, when I see these emotional support pit bulls walk on board the aircraft it does give me a little bit of anxiety. And I'm sure you've heard of the emotional support snakes. No that's not a typo, I said snakes.
bobbym
10-26-2015, 04:15 PM
Here is the site for a ESA certification
Online Emotional Support Animal Approval & Prescriptions (http://thedogtor.net/?utm_source=bing-yahoo&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ESA-Letter)
dbussone
10-26-2015, 04:51 PM
Jim, that is exactly what this is all about.
I have to be honest, when I see these emotional support pit bulls walk on board the aircraft it does give me a little bit of anxiety. And I'm sure you've heard of the emotional support snakes. No that's not a typo, I said snakes.
And pig, and miniature horse, and, and
dbussone
10-26-2015, 04:52 PM
Minis are now included in service animals. How cute is that?
Not very I'm afraid.
Sandtrap328
10-26-2015, 04:52 PM
Jim, that is exactly what this is all about.
I have to be honest, when I see these emotional support pit bulls walk on board the aircraft it does give me a little bit of anxiety. And I'm sure you've heard of the emotional support snakes. No that's not a typo, I said snakes.
No, I have never heard of an emotional support snake but would not doubt they are claimed. Airlines do not permit reptiles as emotional support animals. Don't worry, you will not be sitting next to a Burmese Python.
Sandtrap328
10-26-2015, 04:55 PM
Has our society become so fragile that people need emotional support dogs?
As a side note those pictures where dogs are dressed as humans and playing poker freak me out Ugh
There are many veterans with PTSD that have and need emotional support dogs.
tomwed
10-26-2015, 05:34 PM
It's not fair to the dogs who have to work for a living,
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Retiring
10-26-2015, 11:57 PM
No, I have never heard of an emotional support snake but would not doubt they are claimed. Airlines do not permit reptiles as emotional support animals. Don't worry, you will not be sitting next to a Burmese Python.
I�m not concerned I�ll ever have an emotional support snake on my aircraft. If I ever see one about to board, the snake and it�s owner will not fly, and it�s not up for debate. My four stripes outweigh any stripes that snake may have. And those same four stripes supersede any and all Federal Regulation.
An airplane is a benevolent dictatorship and I�m the dictator :)
Retiring
10-27-2015, 12:37 AM
Since on this forum I have never divulged the airline I fly for, I’ll tell you about an experience I had a few years ago.
Before a flight out of Miami a passenger asked to talk to me. I took her out into the jetway and listened. She told me that while she was at the ticket counter she overheard a gentleman talking to the agent about his Chihuahua. He was planning to hand carry the dog and keep dog on his lap for the flight. The agent informed the passenger that was not permitted, he would have to buy a small crate and can keep him under the seat in front of him. When the agent told him the cost, I think it was $50 or $75, the conversation quickly switched to Spanish. Fortunately, the passenger that overheard the conversation spoke Spanish.
The man with the dog said he didn’t have the money. There was no way he could afford to buy a carrier. The agent then asks if the dog is a support dog, the man had no idea what that meant. The agent asked if he had any conditions like seizures or diabetes. The man said no. She said if you had diabetes, he could be a support dog (this whole conversation is being done with a smile and a wink). The man smiles and says, yes yes I have diabetes.
The agent smiles and says, go ahead and take your support dog on board.
So what do I do with this information? Nothing, I did not feel comfortable kicking off man and dog based solely on the word of one passenger. Did I believe her, yes. The story was just too specific for it to be fabricated. But still not enough for me to act on.
From my experience, as a Captain with a major airline, either we have an abuse of support animal regulation epidemic or a mental/physical illness epidemic.
golfing eagles
10-27-2015, 04:57 AM
Jim, that is exactly what this is all about.
I have to be honest, when I see these emotional support pit bulls walk on board the aircraft it does give me a little bit of anxiety. And I'm sure you've heard of the emotional support snakes. No that's not a typo, I said snakes.
In that case, you're really going to love my emotional support elephant:1rotfl:
rubicon
10-27-2015, 05:17 AM
There are many veterans with PTSD that have and need emotional support dogs.
Sandtrap:
thanks for that reminder. As in many issues there are always exception to the rules. My focus was on another type of person.
As to exceptions I had a employee Marilyn who was blind and trained to type word process, etc. She was an exceptional employee. a very proud and independent individual. She had a service animal and when I first arrived it took me three weeks to discover that her dog would lay beneath her desk for her entire day.
When it was time for her to get a new dog she required time off work to travel and train with the new dog. When she returned the dog's training continued. Marilyn took the bus to work. Our office was in a business complex Opus that was designed to resemble the Olympic circles and street names as Red, Blue, etc. since they were circles they were all one way which created a nightmare for drivers. Anyway Marilyn had to train that dog to cross our street Blue Circle Drive. I had been outside and happened to watch her train. She had to dog lead her across the street when i noticed a fast moving car approaching and out of concern yelled to Marilyn.
Marilyn came into my office and strongly admonished me for interfering and of course she was right. This was a daily event for her and she had to trust the dog's judgment. It was an over reaction by me and one unwarranted
Its my way of saying there are bona fide reasons for animal/emotional support dogs and then there are all the other
graciegirl
10-27-2015, 07:04 AM
Sandtrap:
thanks for that reminder. As in many issues there are always exception to the rules. My focus was on another type of person.
As to exceptions I had a employee Marilyn who was blind and trained to type word process, etc. She was an exceptional employee. a very proud and independent individual. She had a service animal and when I first arrived it took me three weeks to discover that her dog would lay beneath her desk for her entire day.
When it was time for her to get a new dog she required time off work to travel and train with the new dog. When she returned the dog's training continued. Marilyn took the bus to work. Our office was in a business complex Opus that was designed to resemble the Olympic circles and street names as Red, Blue, etc. since they were circles they were all one way which created a nightmare for drivers. Anyway Marilyn had to train that dog to cross our street Blue Circle Drive. I had been outside and happened to watch her train. She had to dog lead her across the street when i noticed a fast moving car approaching and out of concern yelled to Marilyn.
Marilyn came into my office and strongly admonished me for interfering and of course she was right. This was a daily event for her and she had to trust the dog's judgment. It was an over reaction by me and one unwarranted
Its my way of saying there are bona fide reasons for animal/emotional support dogs and then there are all the other
Thank you for sharing that story. it reinforces what I believe about people. Rarely do the truly needy ask for anything. Or the people who have real disabilities try to draw attention to themselves. There are so many strong and wonderful people who are struggling who try their best and make us love them and want badly to help them.
I have never met you Rubicon, but I know so many good things about you.
DonH57
10-27-2015, 07:47 AM
My comfort squirrel is all I need.
golfing eagles
10-27-2015, 08:24 AM
My comfort squirrel is all I need.
You're nuts
DonH57
10-27-2015, 08:59 AM
You're nuts
Certifiable.:pepper2:
golfing eagles
10-27-2015, 09:05 AM
:Certifiable.:pepper2:
:agree:
:1rotfl:
perrjojo
10-27-2015, 12:31 PM
Awesome I hope it gets attention and business people start asking for paperwork.
Last I knew you could not ask for documentation, according to the ADA. You may not ask about the persons disability but may only ask what service the animal performs. I think it is too bad that many spoil things for the few.
TNLAKEPANDA
10-27-2015, 01:28 PM
All dog and pets are Emotional Support pets! They are not Service dogs!
tomwed
10-27-2015, 02:47 PM
barf
Yeah, and why do I get a pass?
I went through the posts again and now I understand your question. I agree with you.
I filter what I write. I look for the butt of the joke and try to keep it about someone or something that does not matter. I thought my joke was about a word that sounded french, an affliction where the output is cursing, and changing the output to something different. The butt of the joke was the French and the silly way they insult one another in French and how it translates into English. Bringing up Monty Python points the reader in that direction.
But I can see that someone might see it as a low punch to someone with a condition that is sad. From time to time I take a chance. Most times I get thank-yous, you made me laugh or that's a great line. But sometimes it goes wrong and hopefully I learn something.
I never mean to hurt anyone's feeling.
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