Palin is failing

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Alaskans are even protesting!! http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/rally.asp
Her home state even rallies against her!! This is TRUE!!!

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I watched this live interview featuring Bill Clinton. Talk about faint praise... I think he knows Hillary was far more qualified than Mr. Obama. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-pr.html

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Alaskans are even protesting!! http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/rally.asp
Her home state even rallies against her!! This is TRUE!!!
So What!!!! I think she is wonderful person, a breath of fresh air and just want our country needs. I do like your quote about LIFE though....

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So What!!!! I think she is wonderful person, a breath of fresh air and just want our country needs. I do like your quote about LIFE though....

Not sure that 1400 women at a rally in Alaska mean "Palin is Failing". :shocked: However .. interesting viewpoint nevertheless.

I wonder how many attendees there will be at the TV Palin Rally.

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YES Mrs Palin is Great and she is going to be the Best VP we ever had
Rember she has 80 + Approval Rating in her home state
so I guess you will be home tomorrow with with the small group of hopeful Tax increases

Da Sgt :(

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YES Mrs Palin is Great and she is going to be the Best VP we ever had
Remember she has 80 + Approval Rating in her home state
so I guess you will be home tomorrow with with the small group of hopeful Tax increases

Da Sgt :(

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HHmmmmmm, funny how the polls are changing. FLIP FLOP!http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i-vyL4Rw9G6ZfOHFJ3QxSxnVWAEw GALLOP POLL!: http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

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HHmmmmmm, funny how the polls are changing. FLIP FLOP!http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i-vyL4Rw9G6ZfOHFJ3QxSxnVWAEw GALLOP POLL!: http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

I agree that this week's polls are showing Obama has his game back.

I think this is going to be a very close election. The debates will be critical.
I just hope that people will make their decisions based on what they hear and see on the debates, and not on the media spin afterward.

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Sarah Palin failing was and is inevitable. The Peter Principal should now be called The Palin Principle. Basically, this is when a person is promoted to a position they cannot handle and is guaranteed failure. It's crystal clear this woman is not ready for this position. I think McCain was a self-serving sexist to put her in this position. He really didn't care if the world liked her or hated her. She was chosen to take the flack off of him. But, I think she was equally at fault for accepting. She shoulda blinked! :icon_wink:

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16,000+ tickets passed out to see her here in The Villages. Don't appear she is failing here.

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16,000+ tickets passed out to see her here in The Villages. Don't appear she is failing here.

Everyone gawks at car wrecks. Even I have tickets.

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I personally know many OBAMA supporters going, to see her "read" her speech. Geez, she didn't even know what Pres. Bush's Doctrine is about!!! OBAMA 08 :2excited: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5789483&page=1

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Everyone gawks at car wrecks. Even I have tickets.
You tell 'em, Chels. The proof is in the pudding. :thumbup:

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The Peter Principal,basically, this is when a person is promoted to a position they cannot handle and is guaranteed failure.
That sounds like the description of Obama.:1rotfl:

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Eddie, You know I love ya, but I think you have it all wrong! Palin didn't know what the Doctrine was! Even I knew that! :duck:

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sorta like the media does. When there is a quorum, usually more than two people on a subject they want to high light and one holds up a sign that says so and so is failing...it gets reported and repeated.
Yesterday NBC reported the two rallies in FL; Obama and Palin. They showed the lines in Daytona Beach where it was highlighted that "...some 2500..." tickets were handed out to eager participants. Then they went to The Villages and panned up Canal Street talked about the retirement area Palin was going to have a rally in....however there was no pictures of the lines or the 16,000 tickets handed out. I wouldn't have expected anything different from any of the network news.
They look through a straw at the side of an elephant and see gray. They then proceed to report the whole world is now gray. All the loyal parrots proceed to pass along the world is gray.
About the only news of relevance from the networks is pending bad weather, and they make a scary entertainment production out of that....so one is better off looking out the window.

BTK

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16,000+ tickets passed out to see her here in The Villages. Don't appear she is failing here.


Just because all of those people got tickets doesn't mean that they are FOR her...there are also a lot of tickets left...if she was that good...it would be a sell out....

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sorta like the media does. When there is a quorum, usually more than two people on a subject they want to high light and one holds up a sign that says so and so is failing...it gets reported and repeated.
Yesterday NBC reported the two rallies in FL; Obama and Palin. They showed the lines in Daytona Beach where it was highlighted that "...some 2500..." tickets were handed out to eager participants. Then they went to The Villages and panned up Canal Street talked about the retirement area Palin was going to have a rally in....however there was no pictures of the lines or the 16,000 tickets handed out. I wouldn't have expected anything different from any of the network news.
They look through a straw at the side of an elephant and see gray. They then proceed to report the whole world is now gray. All the loyal parrots proceed to pass along the world is gray.
About the only news of relevance from the networks is pending bad weather, and they make a scary entertainment production out of that....so one is better off looking out the window.

BTK

Strange analogy, but interesting. Why do you suppose the network news is so down on McCain/Palin? It is their job to weed out the truth. You just don't want to hear it! But, like they say, the truth does always will out.

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Just because all of those people got tickets doesn't mean that they are FOR her...there are also a lot of tickets left...if she was that good...it would be a sell out....

It may still be a sellout. They will pass out tickets again from what I understand.

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It may still be a sellout. They will pass out tickets again from what I understand.


If they were actually being "Sold" there would be less than that. IMHO! :icon_wink:

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Palin's husband and others have ignored subpoena's served on them as part of the state of Alaska's investigation into the firing of a state official. Palin stated she welcomed the investigation until she teamed up with McBush and she then reversed that position.

Exact same disregard for the law exhibited by Karl Rove and Harriet Miers who have ignored subpoena's from the US Congress. So "change" is following the Bush model???

A "breath of fresh air"?? That's hilarious!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/20/politics/main4462366.shtml

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AHA!!! Thanks for the info, Bimmer :1rotfl:

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nothing to do with how many were left or who had them it was just pure numbers 16,000 VS 2500...nothing more.
Y'all work way to hard at picking fly specks out of the pepper. I suppose with the ready, fire, aim pelting one is bound to hit something....intended or not!

BTK

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is a real stretch.
Chelsea, the networks are not down on McCain/Palin at all, they are Pelosi like....if it is the other party they are against it. And to give them the credit that it is their job to weed out the truth, while your opinion, is far from their charter. Their charter has absolutely nothing to do with the truth. They will be the first to brag their role is to be first and if it happens to be accurate....all the better. It has been quite commonly known for years the networks are biased.

Truth is truly the end result eventually....it usually comes after all the fluff and what people want to hear is cleared out of the way so we can hear or see it...and in politics.....I look forward to the truth coming out about anything by either party.....politicians have less requirement for truth than the media.

BTK

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It appears her bubble has burst in many states.

http://www.mlive.com/elections/index.ssf/2008/09/sarah_palin.html


BTK, I agree! The truth is the one thing that will rise to the top eventually. We saw it in the Bush Adminstration, over and over and over again.

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16,000+ tickets passed out to see her here in The Villages. Don't appear she is failing here.


You were allowed to pick up to 4 tickets per person. So, there may have only been 4000 to 5000 people picking up tickets for the Palin rally this Sunday.

I did not see that many people there when I picked up 4 tickets around 9:30 a.m. Friday September 19, 2008.

There were a good number but no where near the crowds I had expected.

We will see tomorrow though. I doubt if they will have the 20,000 they made tickets. This 20,000 tickets made is according to the Villages Daily Sun articles of today.

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Rokinronda You say Palin didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was. Neither did Charlie Gibson, or anyone else for that matter. I guess you say you did. It was a gotcha question. There are any number of answers to that question. There is no specific Bush Doctrine.

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to the day when you respond to a querry or comment without taking a political shot. I thought for a moment it was your response on truth. The partisan shot included in the answer added no value what so ever.
It must be a challenge to have to weigh everything in terms of political preference.

I find life much more interesting without a constant political slant. That is where one meets more real people. Politics requires too much cameleon like activity for me.....but that is me.

I still look forward to a non political positioning response....one day.....and not necessarily to a post of mine. There are many opportunities.:)

BTK

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In view of what's happening NOW with our economy, why would you be voting for 4 more years of Bush-like politics that McCain/Palin represent?

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Because it's a lot better than a second Jimmy Carter term.

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You were allowed to pick up to 4 tickets per person. So, there may have only been 4000 to 5000 people picking up tickets for the Palin rally this Sunday.

I did not see that many people there when I picked up 4 tickets around 9:30 a.m. Friday September 19, 2008.

There were a good number but no where near the crowds I had expected.

We will see tomorrow though. I doubt if they will have the 20,000 they made tickets. This 20,000 tickets made is according to the Villages Daily Sun articles of today.

We have a friend who is active in the Republican party in the Winter Haven area. She could have had as many tickets as she wanted. She got 10 and is driving up with 4 others. In the article in the Daily Sun, it appears the Rep. party here had 20,000 tickets. Who knows how many there actually are. If people are coming from all over, this could be a disaster as far as seeing anything goes etc.

Regardless of who the rally is for you would think, considering just the 20K printed here, that it should have been held somewhere like the polo field.

Good luck to all who plan on attending. I'll be in my less than crowded house tuning into the Directv NFL package.

Attempting to get all these folks into Sumter landing could be a disaster.

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SHE'S FALLING ALRIGHT !!! FALLING RIGHT INTO THE VP CHAIR....

THOSE GALS IN ALASKA WERE FROM THE PRO-CHOICE GANG AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO SINCE THEY FLUNKED THEIR COOKIE BAKING CONTEST......... (I think Hillary said that ??).....

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Yup, Fumar she is failing and falling into oblivion. :MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:

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SHE'S FALLING ALRIGHT !!! FALLING RIGHT INTO THE VP CHAIR....

Nice to see something that makes me laugh in a Political thread. :laugh:

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I think many will go for the novelty of the event. Just because people are attending does not mean they support her. I know people that got tickets and have no intention whatsoever of supporting her. I look at the gaffes of the last week by McCain, and I'm surprised that anyone can support the ticket. Squashing the investigation into Troopergate and constantly continuing with the
"Thanks, but no thanks" lie is a disgrace. I guess she believes that old saying "Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it." I think she will be ruthless in seeking power for powers sake. I do not believe she has the people's best interests at heart, but instead has only the interest of Sarah Palin on her mind.

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This appears to be a very conservative voting populace here which doesn't really mirror the rest of the country. So, not suprising that she would do well here.

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Rokinronda You say Palin didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was. Neither did Charlie Gibson, or anyone else for that matter. I guess you say you did. It was a gotcha question. There are any number of answers to that question. There is no specific Bush Doctrine.

There a small variances, but the universally known meaning is:

A policy that the United States had the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan and a policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented a threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the invasion of Iraq); a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism; and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.

She didn't have to know it word for word, but she didn't have a clue to what Charles Gibson was talking about. That's just wrong!

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SHE'S FALLING ALRIGHT !!! FALLING RIGHT INTO THE VP CHAIR....

THOSE GALS IN ALASKA WERE FROM THE PRO-CHOICE GANG AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO SINCE THEY FLUNKED THEIR COOKIE BAKING CONTEST......... (I think Hillary said that ??).....

Fumar you're so far to the right, it should be the McBush, McCain, McPalin, McFumar campaign! :1rotfl:

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The people that are for Obama should study his background and you will know he is a racist in that one of his mentors says never trust whites. Also,
not only is he for partial birth abortion, but he voted to allow infants that survived a bothched abortion to die. Sounds like infantacide to me.
Remember, the only crimes in which the innocent victims are killed, are rape and incest.

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Jimm, Are you a woman?? Would you like to be raped and forced to carry the issue of that rape? Would you like to carry your fathers child?????

I think partial birth abortion should be outlawed. I also do not believe in abortion after the first trimester . I do not believe in abortion for myself and I thank God I never had to be faced with such a terrible choice to make. I know one thing though, if you are a man, how dare you presume to decide what a woman can or can't do with her body in the case of rape or incest.

You said "Remember, the only crimes in which the innocent victims are killed, are rape and incest."
That is so wrong. What about war? Innocent children are killed every day in this country. Innocents are killed worldwide on a daily basis.

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Jimm, Are you a woman?? Would you like to be raped and forced to carry the issue of that rape? Would you like to carry your fathers child?????

I think partial birth abortion should be outlawed. I also do not believe in abortion after the first trimester . I do not believe in abortion for myself and I thank God I never had to be faced with such a terrible choice to make. I know one thing though, if you are a man, how dare you presume to decide what a woman can or can't do with her body in the case of rape or incest.

You said "Remember, the only crimes in which the innocent victims are killed, are rape and incest."
That is so wrong. What about war? Innocent children are killed every day in this country. Innocents are killed worldwide on a daily basis.
Very well put Sam.:agree:

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If that Trooper did to our family what he did to her's....we would do the same if not more.
The guy is a nut job, and should have been fired. The Alaskan state Troopers should be ashamed of themselves for protecting that wild, drunk, kid tazering, sorry excuse of a lawman.

He was simply a terrorist.....they could make a movie from it and easily show it on Lifetime or the Oxygen channel.

Frank D.

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Jimm, Are you a woman?? Would you like to be raped and forced to carry the issue of that rape? Would you like to carry your fathers child?????

I think partial birth abortion should be outlawed. I also do not believe in abortion after the first trimester . I do not believe in abortion for myself and I thank God I never had to be faced with such a terrible choice to make. I know one thing though, if you are a man, how dare you presume to decide what a woman can or can't do with her body in the case of rape or incest.

You said "Remember, the only crimes in which the innocent victims are killed, are rape and incest."
That is so wrong. What about war? Innocent children are killed every day in this country. Innocents are killed worldwide on a daily basis.

Good post sam. :agree:

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I agree that this week's polls are showing Obama has his game back.

I think this is going to be a very close election. The debates will be critical.
I just hope that people will make their decisions based on what they hear and see on the debates, and not on the media spin afterward.

Ha... Yeh, Kerry was ahead in the polls 4 years ago too. Look where it go that loser! Don't put a lot of weight in polls... for either side.

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Sarah Palin failing was and is inevitable. The Peter Principal should now be called The Palin Principle. Basically, this is when a person is promoted to a position they cannot handle and is guaranteed failure. It's crystal clear this woman is not ready for this position. I think McCain was a self-serving sexist to put her in this position. He really didn't care if the world liked her or hated her. She was chosen to take the flack off of him. But, I think she was equally at fault for accepting. She shoulda blinked! :icon_wink:


You are obviously a Liberal Democrat and are totally out of touch with reality. Did you just make this stuff up or are you repeating what some other tax loving Democrat said????

Sarah has the Liberals heading for the proverbial hills doesn't she?????? McCain may not have been my first choice for a Republican candidate, BUT...he showed phenomenal brilliance in picking Sarah Palin for his running mate. Did you ever think that he is cognizant of his own shortcomings and therefore got someone to stand with him who could really be a source of help and inspiration to him??? I still say she is an answer to the prayers of millions of Americans. She will make a very intelligent, beautiful, fresh, down to earth V.P.

I do have a ticket for tomorrow's event, but really don't like crowds so I think I'll watch it on TV.

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The people that are for Obama should study his background and you will know he is a racist in that one of his mentors says never trust whites. Also,
not only is he for partial birth abortion, but he voted to allow infants that survived a bothched abortion to die. Sounds like infantacide to me.
Remember, the only crimes in which the innocent victims are killed, are rape and incest.

Wow! We all have the right to our opinions. So here's mine. This is one of the most twisted statements I've heard in a long time. If you are a man, well I believe that NO men should have a vote or a say on what a woman does with her body. And if you are a woman, shame on you! :swear:

It's just wrong on so many levels, I wouldn't know where to start.

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I agree... sometimes I just sit here and shake my head over what some people say!

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Are you having a "Senior Moment"???? Don't you think Bush inherited a LOT of problems from his Democratic Predeceasor...a DEMOCRAT???!!!

Come on over to the good guys side and help keep us from a Muslim president with a wife that will go down in history and making Hillary Clinton look like Minnie Mouse.

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You are obviously a Liberal Democrat and are totally out of touch with reality. Did you just make this stuff up or are you repeating what some other tax loving Democrat said????

Sarah has the Liberals heading for the proverbial hills doesn't she?????? McCain may not have been my first choice for a Republican candidate, BUT...he showed phenomenal brilliance in picking Sarah Palin for his running mate. Did you ever think that he is cognizant of his own shortcomings and therefore got someone to stand with him who could really be a source of help and inspiration to him??? I still say she is an answer to the prayers of millions of Americans. She will make a very intelligent, beautiful, fresh, down to earth V.P.

I do have a ticket for tomorrow's event, but really don't like crowds so I think I'll watch it on TV.

Sarah has liberals heading for the hills? Don't make me laugh! She's a flash in the pan and she's dimming already. I'm not worried at all. I'm eagerly awaiting the VP debates. She won't be able to deliver her semi-remembered repeated speech. McCain and brilliance don't even belong in the same sentence. Thanks, but no thanks!

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Are you having a "Senior Moment"???? Don't you think Bush inherited a LOT of problems from his Democratic Predeceasor...a DEMOCRAT???!!!

Come on over to the good guys side and help keep us from a Muslim president with a wife that will go down in history and making Hillary Clinton look like Minnie Mouse.


OK, just saying Obama is Muslim completely dismisses anything more you have to say, in my opinion. I'm out of touch with reality? Oh Sweetie! Read the papers. :1rotfl:

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Are you having a "Senior Moment"???? Don't you think Bush inherited a LOT of problems from his Democratic Predeceasor...a DEMOCRAT???!!!

Come on over to the good guys side and help keep us from a Muslim president with a wife that will go down in history and making Hillary Clinton look like Minnie Mouse.

Funny how there was NO deficit when Bush took over! Now you, your children and grandchildren will pay the price of the botches of the Bush lies and unregulated administration. Even the governor of McCains home state is supporting OBAMA! HA!! I also agree with Chels, HOW DARE YOU say Obama is muslim!!!! BTW, I am sure Obama has big plans for Hillary. Hillary will most likely be appointed to head the house finance committee!!! Change is coming!!

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I find the reaction to Palin, especially among women, to be very interesting. Many disagree with her position on abortion, some vehemently so. Surprisingly, many seem more incensed by her views than McCain's, which as far as I know are about the same. All I can attribute this to is a perceived betrayal of the "sisterhood." And it almost seems beyond politics in that a lot of theoretical conservatives have taken this view.

And the reaction to Palin among democrats is almost comical. Many seem to have forgotten entirely about McCain and are focusing all their attacks on her. And among the posters here on TOTV, the reaction of the lunatic fringe :rant-rave:is downright inane. There have been literally scores of attack posts from the same cadre, generally with little or no substance. (I really can't swear to all their content as I've quit reading certain people.)

Personally I'm not sure about the wisdom of choosing Palin. Unlike a lot of people (including an insulting number of women), I have no problem with a female Veep or Prez. I have no problem with her being a mother, even of a special needs child. I'm not sure about her views as I've not heard them all and they do (and should) get subjugated to McCain's. I'm not wild about her experience, but then none of the four have the CV I'd prefer. I'll undoubtedly vote for McCain, primarily due to the alternative, but regardless, I'll withhold judgment on Palin for a bit.

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Lets see, Obama was a community organizer. Palin is a state Governor. Palin has a real job governing and Obama has spent most of his term voting present and running for President.

When comparing qualifications between Obama and Palin it is obvious that Palin has more experience to be the President than Obama does.

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GNU, :duck: Isn't McCain running for president? :1rotfl: Don't compare apples to oranges or prudes, or do I mean prunes??
Bring on the debates! Sept. 26th we will see who is better qualified and who can fix the mistakes of the BUSH administration.

Four more years of the same OLD,same OLD, is not what this YOUNG country needs.
Remember, it is Obama vs. McCain !!!!!!

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GNU, Isn't McCain running for president? Don't compare apples to oranges or prudes, or do I mean prunes??
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Let me understand this...Rockinronda starts a thread about Gov Palin and then reminds a poster, Gnu, who is posting about the subject of the thread that the election is about McCain and Obama. Of course there has to be the required sarcasm and fun poking,...I mean, what fun would it be without mocking ?

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Lets see, Obama was a community organizer. Palin is a state Governor. Palin has a real job governing and Obama has spent most of his term voting present and running for President.

When comparing qualifications between Obama and Palin it is obvious that Palin has more experience to be the President than Obama does.

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Lets see, Obama was a community organizer. Palin is a state Governor. Palin has a real job governing and Obama has spent most of his term voting present and running for President.

When comparing qualifications between Obama and Palin it is obvious that Palin has more experience to be the President than Obama does.


:agree: Hey Gnu, thanks for taking a stand. I totally agree with YOU. I see you're a Vietnam Vet...THANKS for being a veteran and for fighting for our County. I KNOW you went through "Hell" those years and many were spat upon when they returned....a national disgrace!!! However, I thank you, I admire you and I "gladly stand up next to you" (to quote Lee Greenwood)

GOD BLESS AMERICA, and McCain and Palin our next Prez and VP.

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Lets see, Obama was a community organizer. Palin is a state Governor. Palin has a real job governing and Obama has spent most of his term voting present and running for President.

When comparing qualifications between Obama and Palin it is obvious that Palin has more experience to be the President than Obama does.

GNU, perhaps if you repeat this enough, you'll convince yourself. You clearly won't convince others.

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GNU, perhaps if you repeat this enough, you'll convince yourself. You clearly won't convince others.
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Convince ? It is a statement of fact !

Does not mean she would be a better President or even Vice President, but what Gnu is saying is without a doubt a fact !

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GNU, perhaps if you repeat this enough, you'll convince yourself. You clearly won't convince others.
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Convince ? It is a statement of fact !

Does not mean she would be a better President or even Vice President, but what Gnu is saying is without a doubt a fact !

FACT (noun)

A thing that is indisputably the case.

I'm afraid this statement of Gnu's and yours, for that matter, just doesn't meet the criteria to qualify it as a fact. Nice try!

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GNU, :duck: Isn't McCain running for president? :1rotfl: Don't compare apples to oranges or prudes, or do I mean prunes??
Bring on the debates! Sept. 26th we will see who is better qualified and who can fix the mistakes of the BUSH administration.

Four more years of the same OLD,same OLD, is not what this YOUNG country needs.
Remember, it is Obama vs. McCain !!!!!!
Ronda my dear,isn't Congress controlled by theDemocrats?
Who last time I looked had a lower rating in polls than Bush.

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Bucco, Yes, I started this thread. I also realize that I sometimes veer off when others make comments that are incorrect. Palin is not running for president. Thank goodness, because I despise her.

Muncle, you are right, she is not a part of 'the sisterhood'.


Gnu, I also respect every man and woman that ever served our country. THANK YOU!

EVERYONE, I agree to disagree.


I will watch the debates. When I come back here, I will keep it short and sweet. I will spend more time enjoying life. I will also be on different political forums where our young people have great ideas and thoughts. The polls don't show their voice. They believe the world will look at us as a diverse multicultural country, without racism, with love and concern of all our people and others throughout the world. Obama is a peaceful, concerned, educated breath of fresh air that will bring the world closer to a peaceful existance. The young folks use cell phones which are not included in polls. Check what the young folks are saying out there in cyberspace, you may learn something. If not things do not change, this country will continue in a downward spiral. OK, I'm done rambling. I'll be back after the 26th!

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"Obama is a peaceful, concerned, educated breath of fresh air that will bring the world closer to a peaceful existance."

"Palin is not running for president. Thank goodness, because I despise her."
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Is it just me or does anyone else see the contradiction here ?

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Wow! We all have the right to our opinions. So here's mine. This is one of the most twisted statements I've heard in a long time. If you are a man, well I believe that NO men should have a vote or a say on what a woman does with her body. And if you are a woman, shame on you! :swear:

It's just wrong on so many levels, I wouldn't know where to start.

You must think that you own your body but you are wrong. God lets you
use it but all things belong to Him and killing another person(born or unborn)
just because it is incovenient is totally wrong. Just because the supreme court legalized abortion it is still against God's law. Slavery was also allowed
in this country and I guess you agree that a master can do anything with his
slaves since it was allowed and no one should tell him what he can do with his own slaves.

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Hey.....I'm pro-choice- In the Bedroom.

I do not want to get off topic, so I won't go down that road long. In this day and age there are so many ways NOT to get pregnant. Once you do, you made your choice.

With about 4000 abortions per day, the "rape and incest" argument has to apply in a very small percentage.....far more abortions done out of "taking care of a problem"........done by a greedy industry who cares little about the emotional damage done to the women afterwards.

Frank D.

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by Charley James –

“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

Did someone say racist?

[I wanted a citation for this post. Here it is from laprogressive.com. We prefer citations when you say this kind of thing. If you don't site your source, and you are not the original author, we may delete your post. Tony]

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-“racist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean”/

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by Charley James –

“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

Did someone say racist?
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So JungleJim....we now believe what an UNIDENTIFIED waitress in a restaurant says and post it as fact, but we deny chronicles of facts accumulated over years about Sen Obama.

WOW...methinks your hate has overwhelmed your clear thinking !

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I have read through this post and am shocked by the vitriol displayed at Gov. Palin. It is one thing to disagree with someone's position on the issues, but how can anyone say that they "despise" her? What has she ever done to deserve this? I am not a great admirer of President Clinton, but would sure love to play a round of golf with him. I have admiration for Sen. Obama, however I think he would be a disaster as President, and have every intention of voting for John McCain. Oh, I have nothing against Sen. Biden, as I don’t know much about him. All I am saying is that this discussion is best kept civil.

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Palin: "To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House."


Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%.

Palin: "I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves."


Just to reiterate what others have said: Congress' requirement that funds be spent on that bridge (aka the 'earmark') were removed before Sarah Palin became governor. She was therefore in no position to tell Congress anything about the bridge, one way or the other. During her campaign, she said she supported funding for the bridge. Later, she accepted the money -- now not restricted by an earmark -- and used it for other infrastructure projects. In the city Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere," political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska's Congressional delegation during her run for governor.
"People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, I'm for this' ... and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly changed position.

Palin: "America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it."

No -- he plans to develop a lot more energy than John McCain does. It's just that a lot of it is renewable, not carbon-based. Moreover, Obama hasn't skipped the last eight votes on renewable energy.

Palin: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars.

Well, it all depends whose taxes go up, doesn't it? Most Americans will pay less in taxes under Obama's plan than under McCain's. So they might well be better off.

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Junglejim, check your facts on racism. Go to Snopes.com.
Why don't you recognize the fact that BHO is a good talker, offers nothing and is NOTHING but an empty suit.
As the saying goes, empty barrels make the most noise. BHO fits the picture.

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by Charley James –

“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

Did someone say racist?

[I wanted a citation for this post. Here it is from laprogressive.com. We prefer citations when you say this kind of thing. If you don't site your source, and you are not the original author, we may delete your post. Tony]

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09...d-mean”/



Seriously this is your source?


http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj277/lake21brook/la-progressive-logo.jpg

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It isn't better than a third Clinton term. Whethere or not one liked Bill Clinton, the US economy was in a helluva lot better shape then (remember we actually had a "surplus") than it is now after 8 years of Bushenomics.

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ROADWARRIOR.....may I ask why you are addressing me with your last post ? You may want to do some rereading and then reply again !

Thanks

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"Obama is a peaceful, concerned, educated breath of fresh air that will bring the world closer to a peaceful existance."

"Palin is not running for president. Thank goodness, because I despise her."
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Is it just me or does anyone else see the contradiction here ?


No I don't...please explain what you mean....:shrug:
This is just her opinion on both people....not sure what you are getting at.

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If they were actually being "Sold" there would be less than that. IMHO! :icon_wink:

hahaha...very cute! LOL :icon_wink:

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Well, talking about bringing the world to a "peaceful existence" , referrring to Sen Obama as "peaceful" and then immediately DESPISING somebody strikes me as quite a contradiction. But just my opinion which means you will disagree....guess that is how it goes. I dont use words like DESPISE....HATE, etc....and find it rather funny that someone advocating "peace" would have that strong of hatred...quite strange ! But then, a review of the posts on here concerning Gov Palin are pretty much hate filled !

How anyone could HATE somebody they dont even know and only know what the bloggers tell them simply amazes me. I will not vote for Sen Obama but I dont despise or hate him !

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"Obama is a peaceful, concerned, educated breath of fresh air that will bring the world closer to a peaceful existance."
"Palin is not running for president. Thank goodness, because I despise her."
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Is it just me or does anyone else see the contradiction here ?

Bucco ... I do find it a bit confusing ... "a peaceful existence" and "I despise her" just don't seem to follow the same train of thought.

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Well, talking about bringing the world to a "peaceful existence" , referrring to Sen Obama as "peaceful" and then immediately DESPISING somebody strikes me as quite a contradiction. But just my opinion which means you will disagree....guess that is how it goes. I dont use words like DESPISE....HATE, etc....and find it rather funny that someone advocating "peace" would have that strong of hatred...quite strange ! But then, a review of the posts on here concerning Gov Palin are pretty much hate filled !

How anyone could HATE somebody they dont even know and only know what the bloggers tell them simply amazes me. I will not vote for Sen Obama but I dont despise or hate him !

Well then...I guess that is why we should vote for Obama....so we can stop hating everyone when we are in our more peaceful existance....now we are all just mean and nasty to everyone.....especially poor Sara P.

I think there has been a lot of nasty talk about Palin and McCain....but I also know that Obama has been slammed around the room MANY times!!!

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Doble Grrooan

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Yep 16,000 tickets to see her, Yep to see her read from a speech that the RNC wants you to hear. The same as any candidate will do.. i will bet you a lifes pay, that if Biden or Obama or McCain or Hillary or anyone that was trying to get into office was to show up here you would get the same result. Heck if GW was to show, you would have the same deal, even as bad as he is people would show up just stand there and here nothing.. But then i guess you would say that he isnt failing either? Just get to he jist of things, who is the better deal. besides how many more times are they going to use the, He (McCain) was a POW and that means he will be the best Commander In Chief we could have. We need to worry more about how will lead our ECONOMY back to the top, not waste more money in IRAQ. Besides although he has the Title Commander in Chief, doesnt mean that is what he does. That is what the Joint Chiefs are for.. Remeber Powell and the Stormin Norman. i served under them in the first Gulf War. Those are the leaders in charge of the Military. I am a Reg Rep, but actually believe i will vote for Obama, since McCain picked Sara. had he picked Mitt to run, they would have my vote. But to pick Sara only because Obama didnt pick Hillary is a slap in the face. You dont have to be a rocket scientist to see that.

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GMoney....what a great post~great thoughts! Thanking you for sharing..

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Doble Grrooan

Star...I don't know you...nor at this point do I care to know you. But atleast other people on this forum or TOTV just give their opinions. Everyone is on here because they want to be...whether they agree with each other or not. Even Bucco and I still can have conversation...real words when we disagree. If you have something to say to me please just say it....

Say it, move on and GROW UP!! I though this was a group of adults! Perhaps you are lost....perhaps you want the webkinz website where in the chat room you can repeat the same sentence over and over again!

PS....I have read your other posts...and while I did not agree with them....I decided that instead of posting back...I would just move on....why don't you do the same. Instead of being rude, insensitive and immature.

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Palin: "To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House."


Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%.

Palin: "I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves."


Just to reiterate what others have said: Congress' requirement that funds be spent on that bridge (aka the 'earmark') were removed before Sarah Palin became governor. She was therefore in no position to tell Congress anything about the bridge, one way or the other. During her campaign, she said she supported funding for the bridge. Later, she accepted the money -- now not restricted by an earmark -- and used it for other infrastructure projects. In the city Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere," political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska's Congressional delegation during her run for governor.
"People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, I'm for this' ... and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly changed position.

Palin: "America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it."

No -- he plans to develop a lot more energy than John McCain does. It's just that a lot of it is renewable, not carbon-based. Moreover, Obama hasn't skipped the last eight votes on renewable energy.

Palin: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars.

Well, it all depends whose taxes go up, doesn't it? Most Americans will pay less in taxes under Obama's plan than under McCain's. So they might well be better off.

BHO's energy plan is to keep your tires inflated!!! He is against drilling and wants to keep 2000 acres in Alaska pristine for the moose. Terrific.

One of the first things BHO will do, if elected, is raise taxes on small businesses who employ more people than any other type of businesses.

Every year the Democrats run against an incumbent Republican, they say were in the worst recession since the Great Depression. This is blatantly false as anyone that checks the facts will find out.

The Democrats will soon bring up claim that the Republicans will do away with Social Security as they always bring up during the presidential election year just to scare the senior citizens.

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Just remember the Villages is not the real world. It is a carefully engineered community with one paper, one TV station and one radio station that keeps the masses under control with pretty surroundings that impress everyone coming here. Check out surrounding newspapers in the area and you will see the Daily Sun is not reflecting the news of our world. It is orchestrated to encourage you to think the way the Morse's think. But they are not middle class people like we are. They are the elite that even can bring presidents and vp hopefuls to come and woo the common folks here. If you make over $250K a year the Republicans are your party. If not, what do they do for you? Ever seen a balanced report on anything political? Not even Doonsberry is allowed in the newspaper!

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Nomadman, it appears you're newer to TOTV, welcome! I think if you read through past posts in the TOTV you will realize most of the people posting here are very aware of the limited scope of the Sun Times and do not rely on it for the hard news in the world and that the developer is EXTREMELY Republican. Sounds like you've just discovered those facts....

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Alaskans are even protesting!! http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/rally.asp
Her home state even rallies against her!! This is TRUE!!!
Yep, class warfare. That's the way to go. Come on -- you're using the DNC talking points. Think for yourself.

That's how Socialism takes over. Move to EU for that mess. I still believe in liberty and the US Constitution.