Wreck at BV north Lagecy lane RB

[Topspinmo]

South bound left lane sports car (convertible maybe ??) on its top just before roundabout. Looked pretty bad from north bound lane. Happened around 10:35am or so. Only thing I can say is slow done an drive defensively.

[Kahuna32162]

The key word there is SLOW DOWN, capacity is going up every day and so are the speeds. I hope all involved are safe.

[Chazz]

From the online news report, the cause of the accident is not yet known.

[red tail]

The key word there is SLOW DOWN, capacity is going up every day and so are the speeds. I hope all involved are safe.

the key word is stay out of the left lane while you are driving slow and not in a hurry and leave the left lane open for we that are in a hurry!

[Topspinmo]

the key word is stay out of the left lane while you are driving slow and not in a hurry and leave the left lane open for we that are in a hurry!


Left lane on Blvd is for through traffic and turning left. Not for speeder's going 50 MPH in 35 MPH speed zone

Same as 441, only on interstate highway you should move over for faster moving traffic due to two or more lanes and exits only on the right. yes you can be ticketed on interstate for driving in left lane and impeding traffic even if you are speeding, but not on Blvd unless emergency vehicles are approaching.

As for me if there is impatient AS behind me I will move on over.

[red tail]

Left lane on Blvd is for through traffic and turning left. Not for speeder's going 50 MPH in 35 MPH speed zone

Same as 441, only on interstate highway you should move over for faster moving traffic due to two or more lanes and exits only on the right. yes you can be ticketed on interstate for driving in left lane and impeding traffic even if you are speeding, but not on Blvd unless emergency vehicles are approaching.

As for me if there is impatient AS behind me I will move on over.

if you are driving slow you should not be in the left lane period!

[Topspinmo]

I think the "slow down" means close to the legal speed limit, we all know majority drive faster than the speed limit when we're out and about.

I agree with your if the driver is not going to turn left and creeping along

[rustyp]

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[rustyp]

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[Bogie Shooter]

I'm losing it - I'm trying so hard to be positive BUT are we really going to have a conversation about it's OK to drive over the speed limit when on another thread we are going to throw put you in jail and throw away the key if your golf cart is capable of 21 MPH the flats with no wind. I'm beginning to surrender - the dream is starting to fizzle out.

The dream is still there......some are in the me, me zone.

[Topspinmo]

Welllllllll, I don't think I said it was OK! No harm , no foul, IF you don't have wreck or get caught by men in blue! Might be good chance for medical reefer, if you are loosing it, and you see doctor:gc::beer3: chill, I said chill

[dave from deland]

the key word is stay out of the left lane while you are driving slow and not in a hurry and leave the left lane open for we that are in a hurry!Just remember that the speed limit applies to both lanes.

[looneycat]

Left lane on Blvd is for through traffic and turning left. Not for speeder's going 50 MPH in 35 MPH speed zone

Same as 441, only on interstate highway you should move over for faster moving traffic due to two or more lanes and exits only on the right. yes you can be ticketed on interstate for driving in left lane and impeding traffic even if you are speeding, but not on Blvd unless emergency vehicles are approaching.

As for me if there is impatient AS behind me I will move on over.

no you cannot get a ticket for impeding traffic even if you are speeding, you are never allowed to speed. nobody can make you move over if you are doing the speed limit. the impeding traffic law says you can get a ticket for going 10mph or more under the speed limit in the left lane.

[Topspinmo]

I googled this about 6 months ago. The rule on interstate and toll roads in Florida the left lane is for fast moving traffic and you can't impede traffic in the left lane on IS and toll roads no matter how fast you are going, if someone going faster you shall move over even if you are speeding. It's the police responsible to enforce speed limits.

On Blvd and state roads the rule don't apply unless emergency vehicles are approaching from behind. You must pull over and slow down. If emergency vehicle or officer in pulled over and stopped with flashers or cherries On you must move over or if you can't you must slow down to 25 MPh. That s the way it read 6 months when I copied and pasted it in post on this subject of left lane hogs. If you google it please read the entire paragraphs. If it has changed copy and paste it please.

[Diver]

If you leave a few minutes early, maybe you wouldn't need to be in a "hurry"" ! I can't stand road bullies, they make me slow down even more.

[golfing eagles]

If you leave a few minutes early, maybe you wouldn't need to be in a "hurry"" !

Can't agree more---110%

I can't stand road bullies, they make me slow down even more

Sorry, but strongly disagree. As someone posted above, it is not up to YOU to enforce the law. Remember, the idiot driving 100 mph is not exercising good judgment to start with. When you slow down even further just to p*ss him off, YOU now create a hazard for him, you, and everyone else in the area as he desperately will pull any half as* move to get around you. You have no idea why he is driving like that. He may just be a jerk, or he may have his wife in labor, or he may lose his job if he's late one more time and his kids will starve. HE is NOT bound by YOUR opinion of how he should drive, that's what the police are for. If you feel obligated to do something, report him and his plate number, but get out of his way first.
Imagine you are driving your grandkids to Disney on I-75 and come up on someone whose "opinion" is that no one should exceed 30 mph even on an interstate. Honestly, how patient would you be? Then that person slows down even more, purposely, to cram THEIR opinion of driving down YOUR throat. Kids are screaming "are we there yet", and this bozo is turning a 1 hour drive into 2 1/2. You might be tempted to do something questionable to get past him as well.
So please, be safe and just get out of the idiot's way

[Miles42]

Laws of any kind are guide lines for honest people. They are meaningless to criminals. It is just that simple.

[CFrance]

Can't agree more---110%

I can't stand road bullies, they make me slow down even more

Sorry, but strongly disagree. As someone posted above, it is not up to YOU to enforce the law. Remember, the idiot driving 100 mph is not exercising good judgment to start with. When you slow down even further just to p*ss him off, YOU now create a hazard for him, you, and everyone else in the area as he desperately will pull any half as* move to get around you. You have no idea why he is driving like that. He may just be a jerk, or he may have his wife in labor, or he may lose his job if he's late one more time and his kids will starve. HE is NOT bound by YOUR opinion of how he should drive, that's what the police are for. If you feel obligated to do something, report him and his plate number, but get out of his way first.
Imagine you are driving your grandkids to Disney on I-75 and come up on someone whose "opinion" is that no one should exceed 30 mph even on an interstate. Honestly, how patient would you be? Then that person slows down even more, purposely, to cram THEIR opinion of driving down YOUR throat. Kids are screaming "are we there yet", and this bozo is turning a 1 hour drive into 2 1/2. You might be tempted to do something questionable to get past him as well.
So please, be safe and just get out of the idiot's way
Well said. And I might add, he also may have a gun.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

no you cannot get a ticket for impeding traffic even if you are speeding, you are never allowed to speed. nobody can make you move over if you are doing the speed limit. the impeding traffic law says you can get a ticket for going 10mph or more under the speed limit in the left lane.

That is not true. Florida law states that if you are in the left hand lane and impeding the traffic behind you, you must move over and allow them to pass regardless of how fast they, or you are going.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Can't agree more---110%

I can't stand road bullies, they make me slow down even more

Sorry, but strongly disagree. As someone posted above, it is not up to YOU to enforce the law. Remember, the idiot driving 100 mph is not exercising good judgment to start with. When you slow down even further just to p*ss him off, YOU now create a hazard for him, you, and everyone else in the area as he desperately will pull any half as* move to get around you. You have no idea why he is driving like that. He may just be a jerk, or he may have his wife in labor, or he may lose his job if he's late one more time and his kids will starve. HE is NOT bound by YOUR opinion of how he should drive, that's what the police are for. If you feel obligated to do something, report him and his plate number, but get out of his way first.
Imagine you are driving your grandkids to Disney on I-75 and come up on someone whose "opinion" is that no one should exceed 30 mph even on an interstate. Honestly, how patient would you be? Then that person slows down even more, purposely, to cram THEIR opinion of driving down YOUR throat. Kids are screaming "are we there yet", and this bozo is turning a 1 hour drive into 2 1/2. You might be tempted to do something questionable to get past him as well.
So please, be safe and just get out of the idiot's way

I think that this is the whole point of that law. It is far more dangerous for someone who is exceeding the speed limit to be weaving in and out of traffic trying to pass people in the left hand lane than it is for people in the the left hand lane to simply move over and allow them to pass.

I see it all the time on 27/441. Cars in the left hand lane going the speed limit and below and other cars come up behind them wanting to pass. The faster car then looks for an opportunity to pull out into the right hand lane, sometimes with not enough space, and then go around the car in the left hand lane only to swing back in, in front of him. This is a very dangerous manouver. If you're going the speed limit or below keep in the right hand lane except to pass. If everyone did this, there's be a lot less accidents.

Now, some of those people driving slowly in the left hand lane will say that those accidents are not their fault and they might be right. But if you can do something to prevent or lower the incidents of car accidents, why would you not do it?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I can't stand road bullies, they make me slow down even more

I don't like road bullies either. That's why I think that they should get out of the left hand lane and stop bullying me in going what they believe is the proper speed.
To me there is nothing worse than seeing a caravan of cars in the left hand lane with some road bully making them all go below the speed limit. These road bullies are what cause a lot of accidents.

[twoplanekid]

This is the only section of Florida law that I can find that deals with this issue.

Official Florida Driver’s Handbook • 2014

5.11.1 - Driving Too Slowly is also Against the Law
Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). You should not drive so slowly that you block other vehicles moving at normal, safe speeds. When driving slower than the flow of traffic, keep right so others may safely pass. You can be issued a ticket for driving too slowly. When the posted speed limit is 70 mph, the minimum speed limit is 50 mph.

[Average Guy]

This is the only section of Florida law that I can find that deals with this issue.

Official Florida Driver’s Handbook • 2014

5.11.1 - Driving Too Slowly is also Against the Law
Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). You should not drive so slowly that you block other vehicles moving at normal, safe speeds. When driving slower than the flow of traffic, keep right so others may safely pass. You can be issued a ticket for driving too slowly. When the posted speed limit is 70 mph, the minimum speed limit is 50 mph.

Section 5.23, Traffic Lanes, from the Official Florida Driver’s Handbook • 2014 states:

"If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the right lanes except when overtaking and passing."

[golfing eagles]

Now, some of those people driving slowly in the left hand lane will say that those accidents are not their fault and they might be right. But if you can do something to prevent or lower the incidents of car accidents, why would you not do it?

My late father used to say this about those people---"They'll never get in an accident, but they'll cause a whole bunch of them"---so true

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

This is the only section of Florida law that I can find that deals with this issue.

Official Florida Driver’s Handbook • 2014

5.11.1 - Driving Too Slowly is also Against the Law
Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). You should not drive so slowly that you block other vehicles moving at normal, safe speeds. When driving slower than the flow of traffic, keep right so others may safely pass. You can be issued a ticket for driving too slowly. When the posted speed limit is 70 mph, the minimum speed limit is 50 mph.

You must have missed this one:

According to the newly revised Florida State Statute 316.081, “a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed.”

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Here's the entire law. The bold is mine.

Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES
Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL
View Entire Chapter
316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.—
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;
(b) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided any person so doing shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;
(c) Upon a roadway divided into three marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or
(d) Upon a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic.
(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.
(4) Upon any roadway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of the centerline of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left side of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use such lanes, or except as permitted under paragraph (1)(b). However, this subsection shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the centerline in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road, or driveway.
(5) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

[Topspinmo]

I think that this is the whole point of that law. It is far more dangerous for someone who is exceeding the speed limit to be weaving in and out of traffic trying to pass people in the left hand lane than it is for people in the the left hand lane to simply move over and allow them to pass.

I see it all the time on 27/441. Cars in the left hand lane going the speed limit and below and other cars come up behind them wanting to pass. The faster car then looks for an opportunity to pull out into the right hand lane, sometimes with not enough space, and then go around the car in the left hand lane only to swing back in, in front of him. This is a very dangerous manouver. If you're going the speed limit or below keep in the right hand lane except to pass. If everyone did this, there's be a lot less accidents.

Now, some of those people driving slowly in the left hand lane will say that those accidents are not their fault and they might be right. But if you can do something to prevent or lower the incidents of car accidents, why would you not do it?


You do know 27/441 has left hand turns. So people my be going the speed limit to turn left. 441 is so heavy traffic I'm not going to get in the right lane when I know I'm going to turn left mile up the road and I am not going to go 65 in 45 speed limit.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

You do know 27/441 has left hand turns. So people my be going the speed limit to turn left. 441 is so heavy traffic I'm not going to get in the right lane when I know I'm going to turn left mile up the road and I am not going to go 65 in 45 speed limit.

The law covers that and I understand that people need to make left hand turns. I don't know that I've ever seen traffic so heavy that I could move over a half mile or so before I wanted to make a left hand turn.

I think that might be part of the problem. People don't know how to change lanes.

I don't get all this talk about "heavy traffic" down here. Where are you people from? Did anyone ever live in or around a major city and have to deal with rush hour traffic? I've never seen traffic on 441/27 any worse than what I'd describe as moderate.

[Diver]

If I am in the left hand lane it is because I am passing cars in the right lane. So am I supposed to slow down to get in the right hand lane to let you go by because you want to go more than 10 miles per hour over the speed limit?

[Topspinmo]

The law covers that and I understand that people need to make left hand turns. I don't know that I've ever seen traffic so heavy that I could move over a half mile or so before I wanted to make a left hand turn.

Think that might be part of the problem. People don't know how to change lanes.

I don't get all this talk about "heavy traffic" down here. Where are you people from? Did anyone ever live in or around a major city and have to deal with rush hour traffic? I've never seen traffic on 441/27 any worse than what I'd describe as moderate.

Any time I got set through 3 stop light to make left hand turn that's heavy traffic or the traffic backed to from the stop light ahead and I can't go on green that's heavy traffic to me.


I'm from NE or Cala we it's about me. Everybody else get out of my way. I am the important one here the left lane is for me and I can go the speed I want to go!

That the problem attitudes with no reguard for the law.:popcorn:

[Mikeod]

If I am in the left hand lane it is because I am passing cars in the right lane. So am I supposed to slow down to get in the right hand lane to let you go by because you want to go more than 10 miles per hour over the speed limit?
If I am actively passing the traffic on my right, I will pull over as soon as I've completed that. That assumes I am expeditiously moving past those cars. If I am barely moving past them and there are people behind me I will pull into the right lane at the first opportunity to let them pass me. I can then move back to the left and complete passing the cars I started to pass.

It doesn't matter how much above the speed limit the cars behind me are going. I am not an LEO, and have no business controlling the speed of a vehicle other than my own. Let those who want to speed go past me and have their accident somewhere else but near me.

[Topspinmo]

If I am actively passing the traffic on my right, I will pull over as soon as I've completed that. That assumes I am expeditiously moving past those cars. If I am barely moving past them and there are people behind me I will pull into the right lane at the first opportunity to let them pass me. I can then move back to the left and complete passing the cars I started to pass.

It doesn't matter how much above the speed limit the cars behind me are going. I am not an LEO, and have no business controlling the speed of a vehicle other than my own. Let those who want to speed go past me and have their accident somewhere else but near me.

Exactly! That's what most of us do. When you got two or three lanes of bumper to bumper traffic you get over the first chance you get reguardless of which way you want to turn.


Amazes me that LEOS hardly ever catch the speeder way over the speed limit. Where is all thE unmarked LEO patrolling. Evidently it's not on the streets?

[CFrance]

There are a lot of people who simply don't want to disengage their cruise control, so they pull out to pass someone, and it takes them a long time to do so. It creates a problem in the passing lane.

[Topspinmo]

There are a lot of people who simply don't want to disengage their cruise control, so they pull out to pass someone, and it takes them a long time to do so. It creates a problem in the passing lane.

Good point! When passing on interstate I use the gas pedal get pass pull back in the middle or right lane and let the car slow back to my setting.

[dbussone]

There are a lot of people who simply don't want to disengage their cruise control, so they pull out to pass someone, and it takes them a long time to do so. It creates a problem in the passing lane.


I have to admit that I have had cars with cruise control for years - and never once used it. I'd rather drive myself than have Google do it. (PS, a cop tried to give a ticket to s Google car but could not - no driver. Let's ban driverless cars.)

[villagetinker]

I use the cruise control all the time, I especially like it on the 30 mph roads around here (yes it works at 30 mph), as I can keep my foot just over the brake pedal while the car keeps a nice constant speed. This actually improves my response time when something happens. The steering wheels controls allow changes in speed while still keeping my foot over the brake.
I would use this same technique back up North is snow, and fog, IMHO I think this works really well.