Bad Accident 466A & Morse B'lvd

[Chatbrat]

Yep, the snow birds are back, its demolition derby time. My wife just reported to me -she saw a bad accident on 466A & Morse. Come'on guys the lawyers need the work, so do the body shops-Christmas is coming & they gotta keep their elves employed .

So do the funeral homes, you know people are dying to get in--avoid the Holiday rush-crash now

[rubicon]

Yep, the snow birds are back, its demolition derby time. My wife just reported to me -she saw a bad accident on 466A & Morse. Come'on guys the lawyers need the work, so do the body shops-Christmas is coming & they gotta keep their elves employed .

So do the funeral homes, you know people are dying to get in--avoid the Holiday rush-crash now

Accidents are a fact of life, a sometimes tragic one at that. Let's hope this bad accident did not have serious consequences

[triton18]

We have only been here since the end of June we noticed a big difference right after labor day. Not sure why so many people are in a hurry??More people means more accidents that is for sure. Hope everyone slows down and arrives safe!!

[redwitch]

And how do you know a snowbird was involved?

[Fredster]

I drove over in that area this morning, and on my way I encountered a number of drivers that really were in a rush and doing a lot more mph than posted limits.
I wondered why so many are in a rush around here, Can't say it was all snowbirds either, don't really know. In general I have noticed a lot of people tailgate and seem to be in a hurry in TV.

[Chatbrat]

The car had NY tags, maybe Michigan, could be Ontario--get the picture-only a newbie or a person who is not here full time-rushes thru that intersection

[Bogie Shooter]

The car had NY tags, maybe Michigan, could be Ontario--get the picture-only a newbie or a person who is not here full time-rushes thru that intersection

Or somebody on vacation and just passing thru.......

[villages07]

I rarely drive through that intersection in a car, but, went under the tunnel twice today in my golf cart. Both times, I noticed a long line of cars heading west on 466A wanting to turn left onto Morse. I wondered if they all made it on one left turn light cycle. I can see where that can be ripe for accidents. Hope there were no serious injuries today.

[njbchbum]

The car had NY tags, maybe Michigan, could be Ontario--get the picture-only a newbie or a person who is not here full time-rushes thru that intersection

Newbie or not a full-timer? How about not even a resident of the Villages and just a routine, run-of-the-mill driver?

What's your rationale for the accidents and fatal accidents during the year when sbowbirds are not present?

[sharoni]

Hear sirens going off all day long...Went by right after the accident, 3 cars involved. In my opinion, they need to allow cars to turn left ONLY when they have the green arrow. You can't always see past the line of cars across from you, and I think this causes a lot of the accidents. Allowing drivers to turn left when you have two lanes of traffic coming at you, bad idea. That intersection, and others are too large and cars are turning right on red, in front of those left turning cars. That is what it looks like happened today. Slow down everyone and that would also help...

[dbussone]

Newbie or not a full-timer? How about not even a resident of the Villages and just a routine, run-of-the-mill driver?

What's your rationale for the accidents and fatal accidents during the year when sbowbirds are not present?


A sense for the dramatic? Certainly not facts. [emoji848]

[goodtimesintv]

Hmmmm.

Which is worse:

Snowbirds who might have an accidental collision once in all the time they've been here?

Or.....

Frogs who are prejudiced all the time against people they don't know, have never seen, and could not identify even if they walked into the room right now?

I'll take the snowbirds. Any day.

[dbussone]

I enjoy our seasonal neighbors as well. TV wouldn't be the same without them.

[Down Sized]

I'm ready! :popcorn:

[alwann]

This is an extremely dangerous intersection. I can recall several major accidents there this year alone. Cars shouldn't be permitted to turn left once the turn-arrow goes dark.

[jojo]

I don't like the intersection at night. I was going east on Route 44 after dark and was making a left turn north onto Morse Blvd. I almost turned into the southbound lane of Morse - it was frightening. While this accident apparently took place during the day, I caution drivers to be especially vigilant at night because the lighting is not good there.

[tomwed]

Remember: seasonal people are not better or worse than you or me.

[The preceding announcement was paid for by The Seasonal People are not Better or Worse than you or me Coalition.]

[Topspinmo]

Remember: seasonal people are not better or worse than you or me.

[The preceding announcement was paid for by The Seasonal People are not Better or Worse than you or me Coalition.]


Well, I know for a fact that Mainelander enter RB in the left lane, swerve to the right lane, swerve back to the left lane all without signaling when going straight through (second exit) RB I guess in Maine it shorten the trip around the roundabout!!! I was in the right hand lane behind him knowing not to or try not to break the golden rule in RB; don't enter, pass through, or exit with vehicle beside you!

[villagerjack]

Newbie or not a full-timer? How about not even a resident of the Villages and just a routine, run-of-the-mill driver?

What's your rationale for the accidents and fatal accidents during the year when sbowbirds are not present?

Yep, the snow birds are back, its demolition derby time. My wife just reported to me -she saw a bad accident on 466A & Morse. Come'on guys the lawyers need the work, so do the body shops-Christmas is coming & they gotta keep their elves employed .

So do the funeral homes, you know people are dying to get in--avoid the Holiday rush-crash now

Some folks, thank God the Minority of friendly Villagers, cannot put aside their envy and jealosey of Snowbirds.. I was there in Sept.- Oct. this year and I never witnessed so many gates being broken in the eight years I owned here. It is such a petty response to a serious incident. Childish really!

[villagetinker]

IMHO, the intersections of 466a and either BV or Morse are POOR design. As stated above, left turn visibility is very poor, and at sunset, these are down right dangerous for West bound traffic. I have found if I go to the light with Pinellas place, left turn visibility is much better, and the tress provide some relief from the setting sun. This is about 1.5 miles out of my way, but much safer alternative.
Maybe if enough people complain to Sumter County, they might remove some of the foliage, move the left turn lanes further to the left, and alter the traffic signals.

[joldnol]

Hear sirens going off all day long...Went by right after the accident, 3 cars involved. In my opinion, they need to allow cars to turn left ONLY when they have the green arrow. You can't always see past the line of cars across from you, and I think this causes a lot of the accidents. Allowing drivers to turn left when you have two lanes of traffic coming at you, bad idea. That intersection, and others are too large and cars are turning right on red, in front of those left turning cars. That is what it looks like happened today. Slow down everyone and that would also help...

I beg to differ. One would have to wait for multiple cycles to make the turn under your suggestion. The problem lies in the lack of competence of some of our drivers.

[kcrazorbackfan]

IMHO, the intersections of 466a and either BV or Morse are POOR design. As stated above, left turn visibility is very poor, and at sunset, these are down right dangerous for West bound traffic. I have found if I go to the light with Pinellas place, left turn visibility is much better, and the tress provide some relief from the setting sun. This is about 1.5 miles out of my way, but much safer alternative.
Maybe if enough people complain to Sumter County, they might remove some of the foliage, move the left turn lanes further to the left, and alter the traffic signals.

:agree::bigbow: Common sense has spoken.

[CFrance]

This is an extremely dangerous intersection. I can recall several major accidents there this year alone. Cars shouldn't be permitted to turn left once the turn-arrow goes dark.
I think that's a good idea, and also for the BV/466A intersection as well.

[memason]

I think both of the intersections at 466a @ BV and Morse should be converted to roundabouts. That would alleviate the horrific crashes we experience at those locations.

Just my opinion....

[Chatbrat]

The turn was a right hand turn and the car got broadsided-most likely cause in attention- guess this audience doesn't get gallows humor- with the density of the villages in constant flux- your driving habits can't remain constant-what you can get away during the low density times will bite you now. Also, like in every sport if you had a long time out-it will take a while to get back in the zone-Snowbirds will have to relearn the roundabouts and the idiocsynchrosies of driving in the villages all over.

[Buckeyephan]

I go through that intersection almost daily. For the last few weeks, it often takes three light changes to make the left turn. The turn lane backs onto 466a because so many cars are waiting. It might help if the left-turn light was longer to clear things out. I go that way since I choose to use Micro Racetrack road in order to avoid the roundabouts on Morse. Also use 301 instead of Buena Vista for the same reason.

[looneycat]

Some folks, thank God the Minority of friendly Villagers, cannot put aside their envy and jealosey of Snowbirds.. I was there in Sept.- Oct. this year and I never witnessed so many gates being broken in the eight years I owned here. It is such a petty response to a serious incident. Childish really!

envy and jealousy? of snowbirds? I would think the birds would be envious of the frogs who live here year round while the birds go back to their cold homes.

[looneycat]

I think both of the intersections at 466a @ BV and Morse should be converted to roundabouts. That would alleviate the horrific crashes we experience at those locations.

Just my opinion....

people paying attention when they drive would alleviate the crashes. It's not the road that causes these crashes at a standard intersection, it is poor driving skills.

[perrjojo]

Some folks, thank God the Minority of friendly Villagers, cannot put aside their envy and jealosey of Snowbirds.. I was there in Sept.- Oct. this year and I never witnessed so many gates being broken in the eight years I owned here. It is such a petty response to a serious incident. Childish really!

envy and jealousy? of snowbirds? I would think the birds would be envious of the frogs who live here year round while the birds go back to their cold homes.

It seems to be a trait of many.. It's always "them against us" whomever "they" might be.

[Chatbrat]

I grew up in Brooklyn,NY had my business in suburban NJ-I honestly could no longer drive there like I used to. If suddenly had to live there again- I would be a hazard tillI learned the lay of the land and got used to the way the long time residents drive.

[twoplanekid]

Better road designs can reduce driver confusion and increase safe traffic flow. As TV continues to grow, greater stress will be placed on the current road system designed many years ago.

In jest yet food for thought ->

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/traveling-villages-2030-a-159718/

[dbussone]

I grew up in Brooklyn,NY had my business in suburban NJ-I honestly could no longer drive there like I used to. If suddenly had to live there again- I would be a hazard tillI learned the lay of the land and got used to the way the long time residents drive.

CB - I honestly think that is likely true for most of us. I learned how to drive in Boston (no cracks please) and doubt I would enjoy trying that at my current age. My wife just returned from visiting her mother and said the traffic is worse than ever.

[jmvalcq]

This would certainly be the utopia of all retirement communities, no accidents, no crimes, no owi's, if it weren't for us snowbirds ruining everything.

[looneycat]

It seems to be a trait of many.. It's always "them against us" whomever "they" might be.

annoyance might be the better word, and that only speaks to the entitlement that full time residents display, thinking the roads are only for them. a little traffic, my god you would think that it is the end of the world.

[Moderator]

The topic is the accident on 466A/Morse .... road design, driver behavior.

Let's not turn this into an anti-snowbird Rant.

Thank you,

Moderator

[dewilson58]

The topic is the accident on 466A/Morse .... road design, driver behavior.

Let's not turn this into an anti-snowbird Rant.

Thank you,

Moderator

Agree.

The OP was just trying to start a food-fight about snowbirds. Most did not fall for it.

[Chatbrat]

My OP was not aimed @ snowbirds- its intent with a bit sf sarcasm, was meant to make people aware of what can & is happening when the villages population increases.

[DeanFL]

This new road pattern would certainly help this issue. Might be a little expensive, but...


Re this topic - one of my little pet peeves is, being behind a few cars making a left turn, the green left arrow goes out but the green light is on - a car ahead stops at the line, does not enter the intersection at all and the light turns yellow then red.

So, when 2-3 cars could have gone thru when the light turns yellow, nope. Proper etiquette and traffic law is that a car(s) can enter the intersection and wait until a safe opening occurs to make your left or wait to the yellow/red and the oncoming traffic stops.

[villagetinker]

The turn was a right hand turn and the car got broadsided-most likely cause in attention- guess this audience doesn't get gallows humor- with the density of the villages in constant flux- your driving habits can't remain constant-what you can get away during the low density times will bite you now. Also, like in every sport if you had a long time out-it will take a while to get back in the zone-Snowbirds will have to relearn the roundabouts and the idiocsynchrosies of driving in the villages all over.

Thank you for the clarification, I was assuming (stupid me) that it was a left turn accident. I make right turns on red at that intersection all the time, and I STOP look left and ahead to make sure that no one is coming, double check to the right, then center and left and make my turn. There are a lot of people that just cruise right through the RED light while making a right turn.

[Mikeod]

Thank you for the clarification, I was assuming (stupid me) that it was a left turn accident. I make right turns on red at that intersection all the time, and I STOP look left and ahead to make sure that no one is coming, double check to the right, then center and left and make my turn. There are a lot of people that just cruise right through the RED light while making a right turn.
A prime example of this is the intersection of Rolling Acres and 466. Those turning onto 466 west hardly ever stop at the red light before making their right turn onto 466.

[njbchbum]

A prime example of this is the intersection of Rolling Acres and 466. Those turning onto 466 west hardly ever stop at the red light before making their right turn onto 466.

So right, Mikeod! Hubs and I are two drivers who do make a full stop at the light BECAUSE of the accidents we have seen there. And every time I get there I find I tense up in preparation for rear impact! That intersection and a couple of others make me think we should put a target on the back of the car!