Before We Criticize Either McCain Or Obama For Their Role...

[Guest]

...in the negotiation of the terms of bailout legislation, let's remember why they were there. If not for an invitation from he President, neither of them would have been anywhere near the cabinet room in the White House. Even though they were there, I submit that neither of them should have played anything except a minor, tangential role in the discussions.

The meeting had all the key congressional leaders and the committee chairmen responsible for banking and finance, as well as the President, Vice President and key members of the cabinet. I think the role of both special invitees Obama and McCain was to listen and generally keep their mouths shut.

There were people in the room who were responsible for and should have provided leadership to the process. The President, Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader are the three that ARE responsible for leadership and should take either the plaudits or criticism as the result of the outcome.

However, if either of them actually tried to play a more important role, over-riding those in attendance with the responsibility for getting the deal done, then McCain or Obama should be subject to whatever criticisms--or kudos--that might result.

[Guest]

I agree with this assessment. To me, the reason they were there was an effort to take politics off the table in that IF an agreement were to have been reached and if both candidates for President had bought into that agreement, then there would (should) be no basis for political ads that would have undermined the agreement.

[Guest]

Just listened to Sen Reid....spoke for about 4 total minutes....3 of which was POLITICAL.....he said the plan had to have what Sen Obama feels is important and chastised Sen McCain for being there for about 1 1/2 minutes.

This in a press conference to talk about the potential bail out plan !!!

[Guest]

Unfortunately for this country, the leaders of both the Senate and House see the whole world through political lenses. They are the sorriest excuse for leaders that either chamber has seen in centuries.

[Guest]

Unfortunately for this country, the leaders of both the Senate and House see the whole world through political lenses. They are the sorriest excuse for leaders that either chamber has seen in centuries.

This is horrible watching this guy Sen Reid....this is supposed to be one of the biggest problems facing this nation in years and all he wants to talk about is Sen McCain and politics. At this point (press conference not done yet)....at least Sen Dodd has yet to make it political.

So if we believe Sen Reid, everything was hunky dory and love and roses until Sen McCain came to town...then it all fell apart (almost his exact words).

[Guest]

the man has no concept about any subject that is not viewed from a partisan perspective. He is only capable of chastising or countering commentary. Just watch and analyze him the way some analyze Palin and see what conclusion is made.
He never, ever has a new thought or an alternative or a compromise.
Another cremudgeon with tenure that in any other job would have been bounced for lack of performance.

Term limits is a real need if we ever expect anything to change.

BTK

[Guest]

the man has no concept about any subject that is not viewed from a partisan perspective. He is only capable of chastising or countering commentary. Just watch and analyze him the way some analyze Palin and see what conclusion is made.
He never, ever has a new thought or an alternative or a compromise.
Another cremudgeon with tenure that in any other job would have been bounced for lack of performance.

Term limits is a real need if we ever expect anything to change.

BTK


I am simply amazed to further validate your point...we on this board totally criticize everyone in congress..the oldtimers...the encumbents...they must go, etc.

And Sen Biden who represents that is given a pass totally while those we say we need....from the outside..give them achance, etc. well those folks we spend days bashing and trying hard to find something wrong with them.

Does this make sense....that is what at the Presidential level we say...out the verterans we need a new voice, but that does not go for the VP...amazing !

I still say we will decide whether we want to go socialist or not in this election...that simple.

[Guest]

Unfortunately for this country, the leaders of both the Senate and House see the whole world through political lenses. They are the sorriest excuse for leaders that either chamber has seen in centuries.

I see them as no different than the Repubs that went before them.

The whole place is a mess.

[Guest]

Bucco.....

You need to calm down or they will be taking you to The Villages Hospital.

Obama is no more a socialist than I am....Before this year he was rated as a moderate.

Yes he believes in regulations and reasonable saftey nets.


But look where we would be if the FDIC wasn't around...there already would have been a run on the banks.

[Guest]

I don't know if it's true, but I've heard that McCain said very little in the meeting. Obama tried to take over and it turned into a shouting match. Paulson supposedly begged people not to tell what happend, in the meeting. Also, Reid is flat out lying when he says they had agreed to a plan. The House Republicans never ever agreed to the plan.

[Guest]

It's amazing how much people here in The Villages know what happened during the two hour meeting at the White House. The only reports that I've seen or heard are those from partisans that were at the meeting. If we were to discount what any of them has said regarding who said what to whom--because of course we know they all have a political agenda--then does anyone really know anything for sure regarding the conduct of the participants at the meeting?

If I apply the rule to discount anything reported by a partisan, then speaking for myself, I've heard nothing that can accurately be attributed to anyone.

Of course, if we WANT to believe the stories we've heard from one partisan or another, then that's a whole different thing.

[Guest]

It's amazing how much people here in The Villages know what happened during the two hour meeting at the White House. The only reports that I've seen or heard are those from partisans that were at the meeting. If we were to discount what any of them has said regarding who said what to whom--because of course we know they all have a political agenda--then does anyone really know anything for sure regarding the conduct of the participants at the meeting?

If I apply the rule to discount anything reported by a partisan, then speaking for myself, I've heard nothing that can accurately be attributed to anyone.

Of course, if we WANT to believe the stories we've heard from one partisan or another, then that's a whole different thing.

BUT THIS is what YOU reported earlier today...

"But even more disturbing is the reported attempt by the Republican caucus in the House to add a capital gains tax decrease to the bailout language being drafted."

Where did you get this ?