Shootins at or near Planned Parenthhod

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There is currently an active shooter situation going on at or near a Planned Parenthood Clinic in Colorado Springs. Two police officers have been shot.

Hope it is not a crazy trying to take out Planned Parenthood clients or staff. That would usually lead to copycat crazies who think they have been called to take care of abortion doctors - like the crazy did when he shot a doctor in church and tried to defend himself by saying he was acting in self defense of helpless fetuses.

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There is currently an active shooter situation going on at or near a Planned Parenthood Clinic in Colorado Springs. Two police officers have been shot.

Hope it is not a crazy trying to take out Planned Parenthood clients or staff. That would usually lead to copycat crazies who think they have been called to take care of abortion doctors - like the crazy did when he shot a doctor in church and tried to defend himself by saying he was acting in self defense of helpless fetuses.

Yep, liberals will eat this up in false indignation. Who knows, maybe a black finally realized that PP was killing more black babies than were born last year. PP competes with gang bangers on how many lives they can extinguish. I'm sure that the Republicans will be blamed for it. After all, it is the GOP that's at war with women, right?

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there has been no report that planned parent hood has played anymore role than being just another shop in the area.

Of course the media has been blasting away about PP being in the area befroe they knew the guy was in there.

Early report (no validation....) describes the shooter as tall, white with a white beard.

All one has to do is listen to the reporting for 2 minutes or less to conclude the only thing being reported that is KNOWN....there is a shooting situation.

All the rest is media hype and escalation to hook the listener....the naive ones that is! And those at work at the media this weekend are the second third or fourth string teams.....and they are all hyped up because it is happening ON THEIR WATCH!!!!

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Yep, liberals will eat this up in false indignation. Who knows, maybe a black finally realized that PP was killing more black babies than were born last year. PP competes with gang bangers on how many lives they can extinguish. I'm sure that the Republicans will be blamed for it. After all, it is the GOP that's at war with women, right?
You should seek out some kind of help.

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No one knows the reason that the shooter decided to go shoot people today nor does anyone know what his targets were to be.

No reason to say he was an anti-abortion person or whatever his problem was.

Keep it civil. Get facts before posting.

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Yep, liberals will eat this up in false indignation. Who knows, maybe a black finally realized that PP was killing more black babies than were born last year. PP competes with gang bangers on how many lives they can extinguish. I'm sure that the Republicans will be blamed for it. After all, it is the GOP that's at war with women, right?

Pathetic. You are clearly mentally ill

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Going on 7 PM and the networks don't know anymore now than they did 4 hours ago yet they continue to make a banquet out of a ham sandwich.

And with the 3rd and 4th string holiday weekend players they are going to maximize their moment in the lime light.......


BY BORING THE VIEWERS to death!!

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You should seek out some kind of help.

I second that!!!!

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This shooting took place about 3 miles from my summer home in Colorado Springs. It is also the second multiple shooting incident in Colorado Springs within the last 30 days. In October 3 people were killed in the downtown area.

We need to start calling these incidents what they are DOMESTIC TERRORISM.

This is no different than the shootings in Paris and happens much more frequently.

I can assure you that Colorado Springs is NOT a GUN FREE ZONE. As we saw with the shooting we have open carry in place and in fact prior to the last shooting 911 was called to report a man displaying a gun to which the dispatcher explained he had the right to do so....minutes later he started shooting.

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Looks as though the domestic terrorist was a middle age white man.

The open carry on firearms doesn't seem to be working out very well in Colorado.

We will have to wait to see if the shooter had any agenda against Planned Parenthood. Wonder if he knew that building had "bullet proof" windows?

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I watched Fox and CNN thru the hours of the events. The Fox reporters repeatedly stated there was no reason to believe this was a PP related event and continuously commented there was a nearby bank. They attacked NYC for deploying protection for its PP locations claiming there was no reason to protect PP and one commenter went so far as to say NYC then should be protecting all the banks. This was well after the first civilians had escaped and certainly given the police some kind of information.

Despite the despicable anti black comment above, the shooter looks to be a white fit short haired male. You can bet the house that he is a rapid anti choice, and yes anti choice terrorist. Not a Syrian, not ISIS, a good ole boy who has been brainwashed by the usual suspects into believing this is somehow justified. One dead cop, at least two dead civilians. Awaiting the demand that every white male Christian be compelled to apologize for his behavior. Awaiting the demand that he be properly labelled an American antichoice terrorist.

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Comments on Fox news. com website on the active shooting in a Planned Parenthood:
"Too bad the abortion doctor and nursing staff weren't all killed FREE ERIC RUDOLPH"
"Good, no one deserves to die more than they do"
"Obama set this up. He is sick"
"Stupid. PP is a hard target, wait for them to leave and follow them home and get them there"
"Well I guess as active shooters go, you can't choose a better place to have your little rampage"
"Know the area. probably an attempted holdup by one of the six blacks in Colorado Springs"
"DEATH TO ABORTIONISTS"
"This shooter is a HERO."
" I know this isn't PC.. but n...ers are just plain bad news"
"Liberals should just join ISIS and get it over with.. you know you want too"
"78% of abortions are black. Open more Planned Parenthood clinics"
"It's probably a black guy that couldn't get a 10 piece chicken nugget from McDonalds going on a rampage"

Yes Fox News, those are your viewers and you are doing nothing to dissuade them from these beliefs.

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Yep, liberals will eat this up in false indignation. Who knows, maybe a black finally realized that PP was killing more black babies than were born last year. PP competes with gang bangers on how many lives they can extinguish. I'm sure that the Republicans will be blamed for it. After all, it is the GOP that's at war with women, right?

I did some research and could not find any domestic terrorist that was liberal, minority or female. Sorry, white republican males own DOMESTIC ACTS OF VIOLENCE. And after viewing the reporting of domestic violence on FOX NEWS, they verify that old white men are proud of it.

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here we go again

Personal Best Regards:

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Comments on Fox news. com website on the active shooting in a Planned Parenthood:
"Too bad the abortion doctor and nursing staff weren't all killed FREE ERIC RUDOLPH"
"Good, no one deserves to die more than they do"
"Obama set this up. He is sick"
"Stupid. PP is a hard target, wait for them to leave and follow them home and get them there"
"Well I guess as active shooters go, you can't choose a better place to have your little rampage"
"Know the area. probably an attempted holdup by one of the six blacks in Colorado Springs"
"DEATH TO ABORTIONISTS"
"This shooter is a HERO."
" I know this isn't PC.. but n...ers are just plain bad news"
"Liberals should just join ISIS and get it over with.. you know you want too"
"78% of abortions are black. Open more Planned Parenthood clinics"
"It's probably a black guy that couldn't get a 10 piece chicken nugget from McDonalds going on a rampage"

Yes Fox News, those are your viewers and you are doing nothing to dissuade them from these beliefs.

Absolutely shameful. When I read comments like those on Fox News I'm embarrassed that they were made by Americans.

The terrorist definitely attacked Planned Parenthood, not a bank or nearby business. Three dead, including one police officer, 9 injured. No motives known at this point, but given the hatred of the anti-choice contingent, it isn't a stretch to think this is possibly a Christian terrorist. The lives of three people were taken. These shooters/terrorists are no different than ISIS and need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

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I did some research and could not find any domestic terrorist that was liberal, minority or female. Sorry, white republican males own DOMESTIC ACTS OF VIOLENCE. And after viewing the reporting of domestic violence on FOX NEWS, they verify that old white men are proud of it.

Award level BS!

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57 year old white male from North Carolina travels to Colorado to shoot people in a Planned Parenthood clinic. Hmmmm, possibility of Right To Life (except for those he decides to snuff) right wing loon?

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I did some research and could not find any domestic terrorist that was liberal, minority or female. Sorry, white republican males own DOMESTIC ACTS OF VIOLENCE. And after viewing the reporting of domestic violence on FOX NEWS, they verify that old white men are proud of it.

Research supports that most of the terrorist activity occurring in the United States in recent years has not come from Muslims, but from a combination of radical Christians, white supremacists and far-right militia groups. I would hazard a guess that most of these groups are dominated in numbers by white men.

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Research supports that most of the terrorist activity occurring in the United States in recent years has not come from Muslims, but from a combination of radical Christians, white supremacists and far-right militia groups. I would hazard a guess that most of these groups are dominated in numbers by white men.

...and would also be willing to bet they vote a straight Republican ticket.

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I watched Fox and CNN thru the hours of the events. The Fox reporters repeatedly stated there was no reason to believe this was a PP related event and continuously commented there was a nearby bank. They attacked NYC for deploying protection for its PP locations claiming there was no reason to protect PP and one commenter went so far as to say NYC then should be protecting all the banks. This was well after the first civilians had escaped and certainly given the police some kind of information.

Despite the despicable anti black comment above, the shooter looks to be a white fit short haired male. You can bet the house that he is a rapid anti choice, and yes anti choice terrorist. Not a Syrian, not ISIS, a good ole boy who has been brainwashed by the usual suspects into believing this is somehow justified. One dead cop, at least two dead civilians. Awaiting the demand that every white male Christian be compelled to apologize for his behavior. Awaiting the demand that he be properly labelled an American antichoice terrorist.

Anti-Black????
Terrorist????

Get over it. Why should Christians apologize for this?
Typical liberal attitude of taking everything to the extreme. If one does not agree with you, then it is a war against the issue. War against women, war against gays, war against abortion, war against the poor, war against the blacks. You people need to get a life and learn what liberal means. Every heard of being flexible with your views?

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...and would also be willing to bet they vote a straight Republican ticket.

Agreed.

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I did some research and could not find any domestic terrorist that was liberal, minority or female. Sorry, white republican males own DOMESTIC ACTS OF VIOLENCE. And after viewing the reporting of domestic violence on FOX NEWS, they verify that old white men are proud of it.

Oh? So, the gang bangers in city ghettos are white republicans? Get real.

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Absolutely shameful. When I read comments like those on Fox News I'm embarrassed that they were made by Americans.

The terrorist definitely attacked Planned Parenthood, not a bank or nearby business. Three dead, including one police officer, 9 injured. No motives known at this point, but given the hatred of the anti-choice contingent, it isn't a stretch to think this is possibly a Christian terrorist. The lives of three people were taken. These shooters/terrorists are no different than ISIS and need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Oh, for a minute there I thought you were talking of the doctors killing babies. Whew, you are only talking about anyone that doesn't agree with you. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is considered at terrorist, right?

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I realize that you liberals are just trolling and baiting the forum again, but really? Do you call every rapist, a terrorist? Do you call the kid that shoots up the school, a terrorist? A Republican? Do you consider gang or drug related shootings, to be terrorism? Do you even know what the term "terrorist" means? And why do you believe that this guy is a Christian? Never mind, please don't respond because I know your rhetoric. It's the same old "war against women" charge.

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If you want to start a thread about the pros and cons of abortion, be my guest. This thread is about murder at a Planned Parenthood clinic. Murder of police officers and innocent bystanders is against the law.

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Research supports that most of the terrorist activity occurring in the United States in recent years has not come from Muslims, but from a combination of radical Christians, white supremacists and far-right militia groups. I would hazard a guess that most of these groups are dominated in numbers by white men.

The truth!!! Finally we are calling these attacks what they are.

The director of this PP was one who was filmed in those highly edited films!

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I realize that you liberals are just trolling and baiting the forum again, but really? Do you call every rapist, a terrorist? Do you call the kid that shoots up the school, a terrorist? A Republican? Do you consider gang or drug related shootings, to be terrorism? Do you even know what the term "terrorist" means? And why do you believe that this guy is a Christian? Never mind, please don't respond because I know your rhetoric. It's the same old "war against women" charge.

As this terrorist attack occurred just a few miles from my summer home I will respond.....

This is the FBI definition of terrorism

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

Perhaps you don't know that all PP sites in Colorado have a Supreme Court ruling that bans protests at this site due the number of attacks in the past.

I will not comment on the religion of the shooter as to me not the point. But I believe we need to call these attacks what they are... acts of domestic terror.

Question for the OP what makes this attack different from the attacks in Paris?

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Award level BS!

Ok please post a link to a Liberal or women shooter in a multiple death shooting...

Awaiting your response

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If you want to start a thread about the pros and cons of abortion, be my guest. This thread is about murder at a Planned Parenthood clinic. Murder of police officers and innocent bystanders is against the law.

Since when did the thread subject mean anything to a liberal?

Let's see....abortion clinic.....killings.....

RELATED!!!!

Not a terrorist, just a murderer. Get over it. He was wrong, but he wasn't a terrorist. He wasn't shouting allahu akbar. And, as far as I know, he wasn't KKK. So, please learn what the term "terrorism" means.

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Ok please post a link to a Liberal or women shooter in a multiple death shooting...

Awaiting your response

Actually, you will find it difficult to find political ideology with any of the mass shooters.

Also, most agree that the greatest majority were liberal and Democratics.

This link refers to a lot of that discussion...

Guns Don (http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-921423)

In addition, the news site of the Democratic Party took this so serious they published this article below debunking a claim that 99% were liberal, but offering nothing to point anything to the other side.

Congressional Candidate: Democrats Commit '99 Percent' Of Mass Shootings | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/05/18/3438967/shootings-democrats-arizona/)

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This shooting does not seem to bother anyone at all.


An innocent 9 year old boy lured into an alley in Chicago and shot directly between the eyes.

A gang attack because the little boy's father was in a gang.

This upsets nobody on here...

Arrest made in shooting death of 9-year-old Tyshawn Lee - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-arrest/)

We are too busy trying to make stupid inane political points with a deranged nut case who decided to go on a shooting rampage.

Oh wait...do you need to know the political affiliation of this little boy before getting upset ?

All the gang killings, etc should require a check of political affiliation to insure that people on here care about the death of children.

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Since when did the thread subject mean anything to a liberal?

Let's see....abortion clinic.....killings.....

RELATED!!!!

Not a terrorist, just a murderer. Get over it. He was wrong, but he wasn't a terrorist. He wasn't shouting allahu akbar. And, as far as I know, he wasn't KKK. So, please learn what the term "terrorism" means.

I already posted a link to the FBI definition of terrorist perhaps you missed that... so here is the definition.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”Sep 13, 2011

Perhaps the only deference between him and the Paris terrorists was the face he as NOT yelling allahu akbar so thanks for helping to make my point.

The attack on Paris and this attack were terrorist attacks!!!!

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This shooting does not seem to bother anyone at all.


An innocent 9 year old boy lured into an alley in Chicago and shot directly between the eyes.

A gang attack because the little boy's father was in a gang.

This upsets nobody on here...

Arrest made in shooting death of 9-year-old Tyshawn Lee - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-arrest/)

We are too busy trying to make stupid inane political points with a deranged nut case who decided to go on a shooting rampage.

Oh wait...do you need to know the political affiliation of this little boy before getting upset ?

All the gang killings, etc should require a check of political affiliation to insure that people on here care about the death of children.

The problem is, in this country, we have so many acts of violence to choose from. I currently am concentrated on an event that took place a few miles from my summer home. And the 2 domestic terror attack in Colorado Springs since October.

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Ok please post a link to a Liberal or women shooter in a multiple death shooting...

Awaiting your response

Just answering your question. There is a difference between mass murder and terrorism.

Olga Hepnarová, a Czech woman, deliberately hit a crowd of people with a truck, killing eight of the twenty that she struck.

Priscilla Joyce Ford, an African American woman, drove down a Reno sidewalk, killing six and injuring 23 more.


Brenda Ann Spencer, a 16-year-old, killed two adults and wounded a police officer and eight children at the Cleveland Elementary School.

Jennifer San Marco killed her neighbor, then drove to the Goleta postal plant where she had worked and killed six more people before killing herself.

Aileen Carol Wuornos, perhaps America's most famous female serial killer, killed at least seven men in two years.

Sylvia Seegrist took a rifle to a shopping mall, where she killed three people and wounded seven.

Amy Bishop killed three people and wounded three more at a meeting of the biology department where she worked.


Nasra Yussef Mohammed al-Enezi set fire to the tent where her ex-husband was being remarried. Fifty-seven people were killed, and ninety were wounded.


Jane Toppan, a nurse, poisoned at least 31 people. Many of them were her patients.

Beverley Allitt, a nurse, killed four children and tried to kill more.

Kristen Gilbert, a nurse, was convicted of killing four people and trying to kill two more.

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I already posted a link to the FBI definition of terrorist perhaps you missed that... so here is the definition.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”Sep 13, 2011

Perhaps the only deference between him and the Paris terrorists was the face he as NOT yelling allahu akbar so thanks for helping to make my point.

The attack on Paris and this attack were terrorist attacks!!!!
BS!

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Hence forth for the sake of clarity, the real terrorists, the one's who are committed to killing all infidels are

RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS!

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I already posted a link to the FBI definition of terrorist perhaps you missed that... so here is the definition.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”Sep 13, 2011

Perhaps the only deference between him and the Paris terrorists was the face he as NOT yelling allahu akbar so thanks for helping to make my point.

The attack on Paris and this attack were terrorist attacks!!!!

Maybe, but maybe not. You don't know for sure until you find out what his motive(s) was/were. Note that the definition that you use, does not include the religious element, ie. ISIS. You also left out much of the definition. But, you look at it in your skewed way and I will look at it realistically and logically. As far as I am concerned (not knowing all the facts) he was a mass murderer, acting on his own for his own personal reasons. According to you, Black Lives Matter would be a terrorist organization. The Wall St protesters would be terrorists. But, not the Tea Party because they do not use force.

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The truth!!! Finally we are calling these attacks what they are.

The director of this PP was one who was filmed in those highly edited films!

EDITED???? Who told you that hogwash?? Does the word gullible mean anything to you?

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Ok please post a link to a Liberal or women shooter in a multiple death shooting...

Awaiting your response

Does Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn count??? Or does bombing gov buildings by the Weathermen Underground not constitute "liberals or women" terrorists? Do you think that they voted Republican?

Oh, and how about the Confederate Army? They were probably all Democrats.

If you want to generalize, then go for it. But, don't leave yourself open for an answer unless you expect one.

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The problem is, in this country, we have so many acts of violence to choose from. I currently am concentrated on an event that took place a few miles from my summer home. And the 2 domestic terror attack in Colorado Springs since October.

As long as they have some political significance otherwise no killing or mass murder means anything on this forum.

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Hence forth for the sake of clarity, the real terrorists, the one's who are committed to killing all infidels are

RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS!

:agree:....:thumbup:

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As long as they have some political significance otherwise no killing or mass murder means anything on this forum.

It IS a forum titled POLITICAL TALK, right?

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It IS a forum titled POLITICAL TALK, right?

Yep and over 40 posts for a shooting for which we do not know why ???

It assumes if we can, we make it political, right ?

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It IS a forum titled POLITICAL TALK, right?

Yep and we have protestors marching in the streets in the same city where this child was killed.

So, it is political, right ?

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BS!

Which part is BS? The definition of terrorism? The multiple deaths?

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Hence forth for the sake of clarity, the real terrorists, the one's who are committed to killing all infidels are

RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS!

As opposed to this fake domestic terrorist... if you are facing the gun barrel of an AK47 type weapon...the weapon of choice in both attacks they might be real to you.

It is time to call these attacks what they are Domestic Terror

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Comments on Fox news. com website on the active shooting in a Planned Parenthood:
"Too bad the abortion doctor and nursing staff weren't all killed FREE ERIC RUDOLPH"
"Good, no one deserves to die more than they do"
"Obama set this up. He is sick"
"Stupid. PP is a hard target, wait for them to leave and follow them home and get them there"
"Well I guess as active shooters go, you can't choose a better place to have your little rampage"
"Know the area. probably an attempted holdup by one of the six blacks in Colorado Springs"
"DEATH TO ABORTIONISTS"
"This shooter is a HERO."
" I know this isn't PC.. but n...ers are just plain bad news"
"Liberals should just join ISIS and get it over with.. you know you want too"
"78% of abortions are black. Open more Planned Parenthood clinics"
"It's probably a black guy that couldn't get a 10 piece chicken nugget from McDonalds going on a rampage"

Yes Fox News, those are your viewers and you are doing nothing to dissuade them from these beliefs.

My assumption is that your point is that these are posts made by Fox News READERS and that is bad and is all the fault of Fox News.

Well, here are a few from TOTV READERS....poster on another site as the Fox quotes were...
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"********** are an offshoot of ISIS. Bully the kid and Gracie the bitch run the local chapter"

"The "sick picture", is directly relative to the bigoted, racist, ********* posts on totv political forum."

"As demonstrated to me by recent treatment of TOTV members I know TOTV is becoming exclusive for the arrogant and miserable poison of our society. "

"**********, bigots, racists all, get on there and whine and bitch about democrats. They like to try and twist, they deny, and of course they lie. "

"I'm happy to see a few progressives starting to show up on totv political forum. Don't let those ********** run you off. They like to bully. They are just sad old men and a woman that have no life, other than a keyboard and Google so they can jointly plagiarize and lie about."

"One commonality is they are all racist. Read the threads already started by them whining that their beloved GOP will blamed for the old white ********* shooting up planned parenthood and the two cops in Colorado. These people are truly disgusting!"
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All these from avowed Democrats, all avowed liberals and they READ TOTV.

Using your analogy, what does that say ?

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Yep and over 40 posts for a shooting for which we do not know why ???

It assumes if we can, we make it political, right ?

I guess you can make any subject political, if you wish. Hey, they make the weather political, so I guess you can make mental health a political issue.

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What difference does it make? According to the Republicans, everything is Obama's fault. What are they going to do when he is out of office? Who will they blame then? Actually, I hope they're blaming Hillary.

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I guess you can make any subject political, if you wish. Hey, they make the weather political, so I guess you can make mental health a political issue.

EXACTLY my point.

On this forum, ignore killings or anything if it does not serve your political purpose.

Jump on here and start typing if you can attack something that has YOUR political purpose.

Meanwhile, ignore anything political of any substance, as the forum is only for attacking people and NEVER to discuss important issues.

Your side of the aisle, your party are the only thing of importance.

Make a snide comment and feel good about yourself. Stay uninformed and vote as you are told

EXACTLY

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What difference does it make? According to the Republicans, everything is Obama's fault. What are they going to do when he is out of office? Who will they blame then? Actually, I hope they're blaming Hillary.

In order to break that mold of the President being criticized and seldom if ever defended by anyone, unless you feel an attack on the criticizer is defending, PLEASE....THEN...

Tell us what makes Hillary, your choice and favorite such a person that should be the President of the USA.

THAT alone would be such a change on here, just to hear her supporters actually answer the criticisms specifically and point out her good points.

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What difference does it make? According to the Republicans, everything is Obama's fault. What are they going to do when he is out of office? Who will they blame then? Actually, I hope they're blaming Hillary.

May I add, that it is NOT JUST THE REPUBLICANS , as you say, who find fault with President Obama !!!!!!!

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The problem is, in this country, we have so many acts of violence to choose from. I currently am concentrated on an event that took place a few miles from my summer home. And the 2 domestic terror attack in Colorado Springs since October.

Today the President said this about the killings in Colorado...

""This is not normal. We can’t let it become normal," he said. "If we truly care about this — if we’re going to offer up our thoughts and prayers again, for God knows how many times, with a truly clean conscience — then we have to do something about the easy accessibility of weapons of war on our streets to people who have no business wielding them. Period. Enough is enough."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/28/in-wake-of-colorado-shooting-obama-calls-for-more-gun-controls/

I wonder if he read this about the killing of the nine year old kid in Chicago, speaking of the killer...

"Morgan is a convicted felon, and was out on bond on a gun charge when he was arrested, Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said at a news conference Friday morning, describing him as having an "extensive violent criminal history who likely shouldn't have been on the streets."

During Morgan's hearing, Cook County prosecutors gave a chilling description of the final hours of Lee's life, who they said was targeted amid a murderous cycle following the death of Morgan's 13-year-old brother, Tracy, in an allegedly gang-related feud.

"Shortly after the shooting, [Morgan] stated that since his brother was killed and his mama shot, he was going to kill grandmas, mamas, kids and all," prosecutors said. "After that day, [Morgan] and two others went out daily armed with guns, looking to retaliate."


Chilling Details Revealed in Bond Hearing for Suspect in Tyshawn Lee's Murder - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/chilling-details-revealed-bond-hearing-suspect-tyshawn-lees/story?id=35454416)

[Guest]

No one is trying to minimize the killing you describe. But the title of this thread is Shootings at or near Planned Parenthood. Perhaps you should start another thread if this particular killing is of so much interest to you?

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No one is trying to minimize the killing you describe. But the title of this thread is Shootings at or near Planned Parenthood. Perhaps you should start another thread if this particular killing is of so much interest to you?

I disagree with you.

This crime, which I simply use an a recent example, is being minimized.

The only reason for this thread is the "hope" or whatever it is that this is a political thing.....or it would also be ignored. And the guy who did it is a loner with mental problems.

The killings of policeman with illegal guns is not political and not much talked about.

The killings of gang members with illegal guns is not political and not much talked about.

This one nut job, who without any sense or reason took 3 lives, becomes a lightning rod after all the killings happening daily, not only in Chicago. This one nut job captures the posters attention here and make them post as if the shooting was done by a political party or a network.

Yes.....these other crimes are minimized....to enable posters and others to engage in as much as political mud slinging as possible.

It seems as if these kind of killings did not happen, there would never be a discussion of guns, even though 99% of gun killings are not done in mass or in large numbers.

No, the posts blaming are in fact minimizing the problem. They would not exist without this nut job from the hills.....nobody would care.

That is my point.....not just this one kid in Chicago but all the gun violence is being minimized because we just do not care unless we can make political points. The WH only commented, to my knowledge, on the constant shootings in Chicago on a political visit to that city.

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What difference does it make? According to the Republicans, everything is Obama's fault. What are they going to do when he is out of office? Who will they blame then? Actually, I hope they're blaming Hillary.

I believe that you brought up Obama. Actually, since Bush has been blamed for everything that Obama can't fix (also everything) then I feel it is only fair to blame Obama in the next two terms. Don't worry about Shrilary. She won't be blamed for anything. She won't be president.

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As this terrorist attack occurred just a few miles from my summer home I will respond.....

This is the FBI definition of terrorism

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

Perhaps you don't know that all PP sites in Colorado have a Supreme Court ruling that bans protests at this site due the number of attacks in the past.

I will not comment on the religion of the shooter as to me not the point. But I believe we need to call these attacks what they are... acts of domestic terror.

Question for the OP what makes this attack different from the attacks in Paris?


Not the OP
Would it be that in Paris they didn't target a specific group. Which would excite terror on the whole country. The sicko targeted specific group not the whole country. You can't stop this now matter what is done. Only way to stop it is to get lucky as in the French train incident. Quick thinking over powering and getting lucky.

I hate to say it but if this us against them agenda don't stop and put blame on what it is (crazy MFs) civil war will be in the future.

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Sources: Officer, civilian killed in CO Springs shooting (http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/11/27/colorado-springs-shooting/76454812/)

OK. What can local communities do to stop these killings no matter how you want to label them?

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EDITED???? Who told you that hogwash?? Does the word gullible mean anything to you?

I believe that you would be the one out pf touch in this case

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/us/abortion-planned-parenthood-videos.html?_r=0

Editor of Planned Parenthood Videos Worked On Them For At Least 11 Months (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/planned-parenthood-edited-videos_5612fe6de4b0baa355ad046f)

Read it and learn......

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It appears the shooter is definitely one of the anti-abortion zealots. He holds anti-abortion and anti-government views, and according to an investigator, was talking about baby parts after the shooting. This is part of a continuing pattern of killings and terrorist acts by this fringe group of anti choice extremists.We have seen abortion physicians names put out on hit lists on the internet, arson, bombings, bomb threats, harassment, and eight murders. This has been a concerted campaign of violence, vandalism, and intimidation intended to intimidate people from working or utilizing the legal services of these clinics. The zealots are terrorist cowards and need to be stopped.

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It appears the shooter is definitely one of the anti-abortion zealots. He holds anti-abortion and anti-government views, and according to an investigator, was talking about baby parts after the shooting. This is part of a continuing pattern of killings and terrorist acts by this fringe group of anti choice extremists.We have seen abortion physicians names put out on hit lists on the internet, arson, bombings, bomb threats, harassment, and eight murders. This has been a concerted campaign of violence, vandalism, and intimidation intended to intimidate people from working or utilizing the legal services of these clinics. The zealots are terrorist cowards and need to be stopped.

Dear Guest: A state that has as its state plant the marijuana plant is indeed bound to draw many crazies.

This man is obviously mentally ill. His beliefs and feelings concerning abortion and selling baby parts are real. However his response is irrational. Its why they define mental illness as arranging logical statements in an illogical order. People with mental illness feel deeply passionate about such things. This is a common thread within every shooting of this nature that preceded this one.

And predictably the political mumbo jumbo spews forward instead of cogent discussion on how our mental health system continues to fail this nation and its people.

Such political mumbo jumbo uses terms such as domestic terrorist and the need for gun control. Heck I'm surprised the Obama crowd hasn't blamed it on climate change

I am sadden that this man attacked Planned Parenthood because his attack will gain them sympathy and hence legitmacy as the agrieved.

The liberal media will make hay of this and the true and ugly nature of this organization unfortunately will never be acknowledged and in fact the media will continue to portray them as a responsible organization tending to the needs of women's health care. Now isn't that an altruistic and humane calling.

While some like me view it as a scientific approach of drowning unwanted baby girls

Personal Best Regards:

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It appears the shooter is definitely one of the anti-abortion zealots. He holds anti-abortion and anti-government views, and according to an investigator, was talking about baby parts after the shooting. This is part of a continuing pattern of killings and terrorist acts by this fringe group of anti choice extremists.We have seen abortion physicians names put out on hit lists on the internet, arson, bombings, bomb threats, harassment, and eight murders. This has been a concerted campaign of violence, vandalism, and intimidation intended to intimidate people from working or utilizing the legal services of these clinics. The zealots are terrorist cowards and need to be stopped.

Some have this urgent need to make everything political.

Putting an obviously insane man into any catagory that is then used to politicize is simply wrong on so many levels.

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Some have this urgent need to make everything political.

Putting an obviously insane man into any catagory that is then used to politicize is simply wrong on so many levels.

I would argue that anyone who takes a human life has to be insane. This shooting was politically motivated. Some posters questioned the focus of the attack early in the discussion but it is crystal clear now.... Planned Parenthood.

Going back to the FBI definition of a terrorist act:

This was an act of terror!!

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BS!


Facts should not interfere with what you know to be true, even if the facts prove that what you know to be true is false.

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Dear Guest: A state that has as its state plant the marijuana plant is indeed bound to draw many crazies.

This man is obviously mentally ill. His beliefs and feelings concerning abortion and selling baby parts are real. However his response is irrational. Its why they define mental illness as arranging logical statements in an illogical order. People with mental illness feel deeply passionate about such things. This is a common thread within every shooting of this nature that preceded this one.

And predictably the political mumbo jumbo spews forward instead of cogent discussion on how our mental health system continues to fail this nation and its people.

Such political mumbo jumbo uses terms such as domestic terrorist and the need for gun control. Heck I'm surprised the Obama crowd hasn't blamed it on climate change

I am sadden that this man attacked Planned Parenthood because his attack will gain them sympathy and hence legitmacy as the agrieved.

The liberal media will make hay of this and the true and ugly nature of this organization unfortunately will never be acknowledged and in fact the media will continue to portray them as a responsible organization tending to the needs of women's health care. Now isn't that an altruistic and humane calling.

While some like me view it as a scientific approach of drowning unwanted baby girls

Personal Best Regards:


Typical misguided mind spouting the party line.

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I would argue that anyone who takes a human life has to be insane. This shooting was politically motivated. Some posters questioned the focus of the attack early in the discussion but it is crystal clear now.... Planned Parenthood.

Going back to the FBI definition of a terrorist act:

This was an act of terror!!

Nope, you are wrong. The only thing you got right was that he was insane. He was a registered Unaffiliated voter. He was not a Christian or attending any Christian church, and he was violent. He may have been a racist because he was definitely against Obama. Although, I am also against Obama due to his socialist/communist/divisive and racist ideology.

This was NOT a terrorist act. It was the act of a deranged wacko. The only reasoning they have guessed at so far is that he is against PP selling baby body parts. The guy has anger issues for sure.

But, if anyone wants to make this out to be a political issue, they are wrong. There is nothing to link it to politics, or political party. And it is definitely NOT a terrorist act. Mass murder maybe, but not terrorism. It does not fit any definition of terrorism.

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Nope, you are wrong. The only thing you got right was that he was insane. He was a registered Unaffiliated voter. He was not a Christian or attending any Christian church, and he was violent. He may have been a racist because he was definitely against Obama. Although, I am also against Obama due to his socialist/communist/divisive and racist ideology.

This was NOT a terrorist act. It was the act of a deranged wacko. The only reasoning they have guessed at so far is that he is against PP selling baby body parts. The guy has anger issues for sure.

But, if anyone wants to make this out to be a political issue, they are wrong. There is nothing to link it to politics, or political party. And it is definitely NOT a terrorist act. Mass murder maybe, but not terrorism. It does not fit any definition of terrorism.

This time I am correct....

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”Sep 13, 2011

He targeted PP (a property)
Was armed with an assault rifle and propane tanks (force and violence)
Said no more body parts (political objective)

Meets the FBI definition......

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Here is a link to the very very conservative paper in COS, I have lived there since I 16 and still own a condo there. Read what they are saying

Possible motive for accused Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood gunman: 'No more baby parts' (http://gazette.com/possible-motive-for-accused-planned-parenthood-gunman-no-more-baby-parts/article/1564495)

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I love how some are so easily trained by their party or the media.

So if this was an act of terrorism, then there are many incidents that pre dated this one that need to be re-categorized as domestic terroris.

How about the muslim officer who kileed his miltary bretheren and was rules work place violence....to suit the party and the media.

By definitions currently being flaunted for the naieve to suck up, he was a domestic terrorist as well.

Some just do not have the ability to learn definitions and then use good judgement or common sense in their application.
And all over ridden by the current talking points guidance of the week.....right, wrong or indifferent.

Very lemming like.

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I would argue that anyone who takes a human life has to be insane. This shooting was politically motivated. Some posters questioned the focus of the attack early in the discussion but it is crystal clear now.... Planned Parenthood.

Going back to the FBI definition of a terrorist act:

This was an act of terror!!

Dear Guest: A number of years back and something like two years apart in separate tragedies but exact in methods two mothers drove their vehicle into the water drowning their children. In the first tragedy the mother was found to be insane. In the tragedy that followed the mother drowned her children because the man she was having an extra marital affair did not want children and so.. we have one insane and one desperate. Some kill for power some for monetary gain and indeed even in bygone days some killed for honor (duels, etc). Clearly for many reasons and not all are insane people kill.

You seemed obsessed with the FBI's definition of terrorism. So are Black Lives Matter domestic terrorist? What about the PETA people? How about those storming ships to prevent whaling, etc? What about climate changers? Perhaps the spoiled brats attending universities and making outrageous demands and blocking people such as Condie Rice. Anne Coulter,
etc from speaking at universities. It seems every group except ISIS are terrorists.

Progressives seem bet on moving from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Personal Best Regards:

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Dear Guest: A number of years back and something like two years apart in separate tragedies but exact in methods two mothers drove their vehicle into the water drowning their children. In the first tragedy the mother was found to be insane. In the tragedy that followed the mother drowned her children because the man she was having an extra marital affair did not want children and so.. we have one insane and one desperate. Some kill for power some for monetary gain and indeed even in bygone days some killed for honor (duels, etc). Clearly for many reasons and not all are insane people kill.

You seemed obsessed with the FBI's definition of terrorism. So are Black Lives Matter domestic terrorist? What about the PETA people? How about those storming ships to prevent whaling, etc? What about climate changers? Perhaps the spoiled brats attending universities and making outrageous demands and blocking people such as Condie Rice. Anne Coulter,
etc from speaking at universities. It seems every group except ISIS are terrorists.

Progressives seem bet on moving from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Personal Best Regards:

Would you prefer I was another? Here ya go....

http://www.merriam-websteterrorismr.com/dictionary/: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

Seems to fit this situation.

Have Black Lives Matter used assault weapons and killed people? The others are just a silly defection.

If I was a "progressive" then I would have called for gun control but I have not...nice try but wrong.

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This time I am correct....

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”Sep 13, 2011

He targeted PP (a property)
Was armed with an assault rifle and propane tanks (force and violence)
Said no more body parts (political objective)

Meets the FBI definition......

You are wrong. It does NOT fit the definition of Terrorism. You are attempting to stretch the issue and make it a political statement. It is NOT political. It is not terrorism. He was a wacko with anger issues, period.

If you think this is an act of terrorism, then I guess you would try to convince us that these school shootings are terrorism also. But, you are wrong, either way. You cut a little blurb out from some FBI statement that isn't even complete.

But, if you wish to get hysterical over this and yell that the sky is falling, then you can go hang out with Chicken Little.

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You are wrong. It does NOT fit the definition of Terrorism. You are attempting to stretch the issue and make it a political statement. It is NOT political. It is not terrorism. He was a wacko with anger issues, period.

If you think this is an act of terrorism, then I guess you would try to convince us that these school shootings are terrorism also. But, you are wrong, either way. You cut a little blurb out from some FBI statement that isn't even complete.

But, if you wish to get hysterical over this and yell that the sky is falling, then you can go hang out with Chicken Little.

What are you maybe 10? I certainly am not hysterical, I gave the full definition from both the FBI and the Webster.

This is a terrorist attack pure a simple

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What are you maybe 10? I certainly am not hysterical, I gave the full definition from both the FBI and the Webster.

This is a terrorist attack pure a simple

Like I said, "hysterical."

There was no coercion or influencing intended. That is a requirement, even by your OLD definition. He was a deranged wacko, plain and simple. Sorry, but you can't make a Planned Parenthood martyr/victim from this guy's actions. If he went to a high school instead of PP, it would be the same. Just mass murder. He was not trying to intimidate the government.

Obama's close friend, Bill Ayers could give you a better example of domestic terrorism.

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When this all began I read on a left wing website how the crazies on the right, once it was shown to be an anti-choice white killer motivated by his hatred of PP, those crazies on the right would loudly proclaim that this only happened because the shooter was insane, his personal mental health problem, nothing to see here about the lies that motivated him, nothing to see here about dominionist religious influences, just a lone wolf crazy person.
This man is obviously mentally ill. His beliefs and feelings concerning abortion and selling baby parts are real. However his response is irrational. Its why they define mental illness as arranging logical statements in an illogical order. People with mental illness feel deeply passionate about such things.

You see if one Muslim goes crazy on an army base, that is an indictment of an entire faith, and everyone who ever may have influenced him must be investigated. His computer must be searched for what websites he read, his friends must be investigated for their views as well. But if a white male goes on a rampage, that is just because he is crazy. No bigger story, and of course he was really only acting on his feelings and belief that are "real".

You may continue to ignore the FACT that multiple state investigations by GOP states into the allegation of selling of baby parts have now been concluded with the finding that there was absolutely no illegal activity nor any selling of parts.

If you really believe that abortion is murder, if you really believe that humans are being slaughtered in the Planned Parenthood clinics, then your standing by and doing nothing makes you no better than the Germans who smelled the smoke and saw the Jews and others killed in Europe. No it makes you worse, because those Germans had plausible deniability and no chance to shut down a concentration camp. Get out your guns, I know you have them, and do what your certainty and your faith commands you. Instead of crying out to Allah, be sure to call out to your warped vision of Jesus while you save the unborn.

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When this all began I read on a left wing website how the crazies on the right, once it was shown to be an anti-choice white killer motivated by his hatred of PP, those crazies on the right would loudly proclaim that this only happened because the shooter was insane, his personal mental health problem, nothing to see here about the lies that motivated him, nothing to see here about dominionist religious influences, just a lone wolf crazy person.


You see if one Muslim goes crazy on an army base, that is an indictment of an entire faith, and everyone who ever may have influenced him must be investigated. His computer must be searched for what websites he read, his friends must be investigated for their views as well. But if a white male goes on a rampage, that is just because he is crazy. No bigger story, and of course he was really only acting on his feelings and belief that are "real".

You may continue to ignore the FACT that multiple state investigations by GOP states into the allegation of selling of baby parts have now been concluded with the finding that there was absolutely no illegal activity nor any selling of parts.

If you really believe that abortion is murder, if you really believe that humans are being slaughtered in the Planned Parenthood clinics, then your standing by and doing nothing makes you no better than the Germans who smelled the smoke and saw the Jews and others killed in Europe. No it makes you worse, because those Germans had plausible deniability and no chance to shut down a concentration camp. Get out your guns, I know you have them, and do what your certainty and your faith commands you. Instead of crying out to Allah, be sure to call out to your warped vision of Jesus while you save the unborn.

You are having a bit of a problem with it, aren't you? A Muslim hollering "allahu akbarr" could probably be construed as terrorism if he is trying to kill a lot of infidels. Funny how you skew your thoughts on this. This guy did NOT cry out to the Christian GOD.

I would like to see where you got that ridiculous notion that there had been nothing found in a "GOP" investigation of PP. Another fictitious statement, that I am sure you believe will be taken as fact. Videos speak for themselves, even if you liberals insist that they must have been "edited." Ha, ha.

Do I believe that abortion is murder? Well, the definition (and you are fond of definitions) includes "the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy." So, the "deliberate" taking of a life is construed as murder in all the states that I am aware of. But, then again according to your definition of terrorism, PP is a terrorist organization. Not that I believe so, but you must.

But, if you insist on being hysterical then by all means scream that this guy was a terrorist. You do know that before being an Unaffiliated voter, he was a Democrat, right?

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When this all began I read on a left wing website how the crazies on the right, once it was shown to be an anti-choice white killer motivated by his hatred of PP, those crazies on the right would loudly proclaim that this only happened because the shooter was insane, his personal mental health problem, nothing to see here about the lies that motivated him, nothing to see here about dominionist religious influences, just a lone wolf crazy person.


You see if one Muslim goes crazy on an army base, that is an indictment of an entire faith, and everyone who ever may have influenced him must be investigated. His computer must be searched for what websites he read, his friends must be investigated for their views as well. But if a white male goes on a rampage, that is just because he is crazy. No bigger story, and of course he was really only acting on his feelings and belief that are "real".

You may continue to ignore the FACT that multiple state investigations by GOP states into the allegation of selling of baby parts have now been concluded with the finding that there was absolutely no illegal activity nor any selling of parts.

If you really believe that abortion is murder, if you really believe that humans are being slaughtered in the Planned Parenthood clinics, then your standing by and doing nothing makes you no better than the Germans who smelled the smoke and saw the Jews and others killed in Europe. No it makes you worse, because those Germans had plausible deniability and no chance to shut down a concentration camp. Get out your guns, I know you have them, and do what your certainty and your faith commands you. Instead of crying out to Allah, be sure to call out to your warped vision of Jesus while you save the unborn.

You could very well be 100% correct.

Your feelings expressed very well by you is EXACTLY how many feel when they hear of a black person being shot, especially by a police officer. You know, that quick jump to judgement and following riots.

It is the exact same thing, and is very sad.

In this case, the man will be investigated and everything out there for us to read. In the case of the black person shot, the police officer, whether right or wrong will be judged INSTANTLY and the black criminal will be idolized.

Hate to even type those words, but it is true.

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Now you just went off the reservation

Not worth my time

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You are having a bit of a problem with it, aren't you? A Muslim hollering "allahu akbarr" could probably be construed as terrorism if he is trying to kill a lot of infidels. Funny how you skew your thoughts on this. This guy did NOT cry out to the Christian GOD.

I would like to see where you got that ridiculous notion that there had been nothing found in a "GOP" investigation of PP. Another fictitious statement, that I am sure you believe will be taken as fact. Videos speak for themselves, even if you liberals insist that they must have been "edited." Ha, ha.

Do I believe that abortion is murder? Well, the definition (and you are fond of definitions) includes "the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy." So, the "deliberate" taking of a life is construed as murder in all the states that I am aware of. But, then again according to your definition of terrorism, PP is a terrorist organization. Not that I believe so, but you must.

But, if you insist on being hysterical then by all means scream that this guy was a terrorist. You do know that before being an Unaffiliated voter, he was a Democrat, right?

Planned Parenthood does NOT sell body parts numerous Republican committee's have investigated and found nothing. The videos were edited to make it appear that the shipping charges for the donation where actually charges for the parts.

I don't give a crap about this guys political party or lack there of what I care about is he shot up PP less than 3 miles from my summer home and <1000 yards from the King Soopers grocery where I shop.

The mayor of Colorado Springs has called this an act of Domestic Terrorism...

It is time to call these what they are....Terrorism

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Planned Parenthood does NOT sell body parts numerous Republican committee's have investigated and found nothing. The videos were edited to make it appear that the shipping charges for the donation where actually charges for the parts.

I don't give a crap about this guys political party or lack there of what I care about is he shot up PP less than 3 miles from my summer home and <1000 yards from the King Soopers grocery where I shop.

The mayor of Colorado Springs has called this an act of Domestic Terrorism...

It is time to call these what they are....Terrorism

Ah now I get it.
What they do is OK because they don't charge for the parts?

BS!

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Planned Parenthood does NOT sell body parts numerous Republican committee's have investigated and found nothing. The videos were edited to make it appear that the shipping charges for the donation where actually charges for the parts.

I don't give a crap about this guys political party or lack there of what I care about is he shot up PP less than 3 miles from my summer home and <1000 yards from the King Soopers grocery where I shop.

The mayor of Colorado Springs has called this an act of Domestic Terrorism...

It is time to call these what they are....Terrorism

Exactly. And that is what most people are calling it. Just not some of the right wing folks in The Villages. :oops:

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Planned Parenthood does NOT sell body parts numerous Republican committee's have investigated and found nothing. The videos were edited to make it appear that the shipping charges for the donation where actually charges for the parts.

I don't give a crap about this guys political party or lack there of what I care about is he shot up PP less than 3 miles from my summer home and <1000 yards from the King Soopers grocery where I shop.

The mayor of Colorado Springs has called this an act of Domestic Terrorism...

It is time to call these what they are....Terrorism

I get it. You really do believe that the videos of PP selling body parts is fabricated. That is so naive and almost funny To think that there are actually poor idiots in this world that think only what they are told to think.

And since someone killed someone else near your summer home, it's a disaster in near comparison of the twin towers being destroyed.

It's not terrorism, but you folks go ahead in your hysteria and cry about that big bad terrorist. Just some dumb deranged schmuck with anger issues, but maybe your messiah in D.C. will agree with you. Something to take the heat off of his ISIS brothers.

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I get it. You really do believe that the videos of PP selling body parts is fabricated. That is so naive and almost funny To think that there are actually poor idiots in this world that think only what they are told to think.

And since someone killed someone else near your summer home, it's a disaster in near comparison of the twin towers being destroyed.

It's not terrorism, but you folks go ahead in your hysteria and cry about that big bad terrorist. Just some dumb deranged schmuck with anger issues, but maybe your messiah in D.C. will agree with you. Something to take the heat off of his ISIS brothers.
I do believe in free speech but think the management of this site needs to get you off. I personally think you have all the characteristics of a future shooter. You are one sick pup.

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Anybody that supports the notion that PP is innocent of charges is either naieve or a radical partisan of the party no matter right or wrong.......

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Anybody that supports the notion that PP is innocent of charges is either naieve or a radical partisan of the party no matter right or wrong.......

Last time I looked they didn't break any laws. Just another conservative hysteria fit.

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Last time I looked they didn't break any laws. Just another conservative hysteria fit.

Just be aware that there was editing done.....agree.

Just be aware that NO court, NO panel has said they were not selling.

They simply ruled that the editing made the evidence inadmissable in a court of any kind.

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I do believe in free speech but think the management of this site needs to get you off. I personally think you have all the characteristics of a future shooter. You are one sick pup.

Oh, did I say something that wasn't construed as proper PC? Oh, are you going to suggest that because I don't agree with you, that I am a terrorist?? Ha, ha...I hit it on the head with the use of hysteria.

It's OK for you liberals to disparage the posters, but cry to admin when you don't agree with an opinion? Or, when you lose the debate.

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Just be aware that there was editing done.....agree.

Just be aware that NO court, NO panel has said they were not selling.

They simply ruled that the editing made the evidence inadmissable in a court of any kind.

:agree:

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Last time I looked they didn't break any laws. Just another conservative hysteria fit.

Yes, and OJ was innocent also. Do you believe the stuff you write?

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"Authorities have not determined a motive in the shooting and it is unknown whether or not Planned Parenthood was even a target.

No Planned Parenthood employees were reported injured or killed in the assault. There is no public information that indicates he was motivated by anti-abortion or purported “Christian” views."

He had a record for animal cruelty and peeping Tom. Sure signs of him being a terrorist.

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He was registered to vote as a female, unaffiliated. Does that make him technically or non-technically transgender? Just wondering.

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Last time I looked they didn't break any laws. Just another conservative hysteria fit.

How about sharing with us what you looked at and where.

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He was registered to vote as a female, unaffiliated. Does that make him technically or non-technically transgender? Just wondering.

Clerical transgender....LOL

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I get it. You really do believe that the videos of PP selling body parts is fabricated. That is so naive and almost funny To think that there are actually poor idiots in this world that think only what they are told to think.

And since someone killed someone else near your summer home, it's a disaster in near comparison of the twin towers being destroyed.

It's not terrorism, but you folks go ahead in your hysteria and cry about that big bad terrorist. Just some dumb deranged schmuck with anger issues, but maybe your messiah in D.C. will agree with you. Something to take the heat off of his ISIS brothers.

You should seek some help for your anger issues.

While this attack is not on the scale of the Twin Towers it still an act of terror.

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How about sharing with us what you looked at and where.

Liberals don't BREAK the law, they just bend it to their will. Hilary didn't break the federal laws when she exposed top secret material on the Internet. PP didn't break the laws forbidding the sale of body parts, just slightly bent to rules a bit to make a profit. After all, cars expensive and you know how doctors don't make much.

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Ah now I get it.
What they do is OK because they don't charge for the parts?

BS!

The Supreme Court ruled on this many years ago....women have the right to safe abortions. Therefore Planned Parenthood is providing a legal service to women.

I am a woman who has never needed an abortion nor do I believe could I choose that option but I don't impose my beliefs on others. That choice is theirs

To answer your question, the medical community requires this material for research. Women can legally donate the tissue and PP can legally charge for the shipping fees.

So yes it is ok for PP to provide this service.

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You should seek some help for your anger issues.

While this attack is not on the scale of the Twin Towers it still an act of terror.

I saw a buck that was rutting once, years ago up North. He was so out of control that he ran into a parked police car and left what looked like bullet holes in the car door, with his antlers. Definitely an act of terror. Or, do you think that it was just a difference in political ideology?

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I saw a buck that was rutting once, years ago up North. He was so out of control that he ran into a parked police car and left what looked like bullet holes in the car door, with his antlers. Definitely an act of terror. Or, do you think that it was just a difference in political ideology?

Just like a male... Always rutting fixated on sex

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Liberals don't BREAK the law, they just bend it to their will. Hilary didn't break the federal laws when she exposed top secret material on the Internet. PP didn't break the laws forbidding the sale of body parts, just slightly bent to rules a bit to make a profit. After all, cars expensive and you know how doctors don't make much.

I don't believe there is ant evidence the emails where on the internet just on a secured server.

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I don't believe there is ant evidence the emails where on the internet just on a secured server.

She was using an UNSECURED, UNENCRYPTED server on the Internet. She violated Federal law related to handling of classified material. If you need the specific laws she broke, I also have them. I worked for the gov. information management and I do know the law. Excusing her because of who she is, is not productive for our country. She should be held accountable just as any other employee of the U.S. government. I have seen employees severely punished as a result of negligent mishandling of classified material. As a matter of fact, it even takes a specific type of shredder to destroy some levels of classified material. So, in my opinion excusing her is not an option. She violated some very serious laws and rules that jeopardized national security and could have or might have damaged our national integrity. Anyone that has ever worked in IT knows how serious this issue is.

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She was using an UNSECURED, UNENCRYPTED server on the Internet. She violated Federal law related to handling of classified material. If you need the specific laws she broke, I also have them. I worked for the gov. information management and I do know the law. Excusing her because of who she is, is not productive for our country. She should be held accountable just as any other employee of the U.S. government. I have seen employees severely punished as a result of negligent mishandling of classified material. As a matter of fact, it even takes a specific type of shredder to destroy some levels of classified material. So, in my opinion excusing her is not an option. She violated some very serious laws and rules that jeopardized national security and could have or might have damaged our national integrity. Anyone that has ever worked in IT knows how serious this issue is.

You might want to check the regs when she took the position

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You might want to check the regs when she took the position

They are the same now as when she took the position. Classified information is protected on a secured and encrypted system, not on the internet. She violated the law regarding handling and destruction of classified information. The worst part was that she did not ONLY had confidential information on her unclassified system at home, like a certain convicted general, but she even had information of secret and top secret nature. She is definitely as guilty as some of our worst spies. Many in our congress do not even know how seriously she violated the laws. They are just shooting in the dark. Anyone that works for the gov with classified knows what she did. I recently spoke to a friend that still works in the State Dept and he just shook his head in wonder of how she has gotten away with it. Any half-@ss hacker could have, might have had access to her information and the classified on her server. On top of that, the service provider that worked on her server was not cleared for classified information and had access to it. Nope, she is a major felon and should be behind bars.

[Guest]

You might want to check the regs when she took the position

Regulations can get you fired if you violate them. Federal laws violated can and should get her incarcerated. There is NO excuse for what she did.

[Guest]

Regulations can get you fired if you violate them. Federal laws violated can and should get her incarcerated. There is NO excuse for what she did.

UNLESS one is a lawyer trained politician!!!

[Guest]

Colin Powell admitted he did the same thing. Would you like to see him incarcerated as well? I didn't think so.

[Guest]

Getting to back act of domestic terror in Colorado Springs ... Mike Huckabee agrees with me!

Game Set Match

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Colin Powell admitted he did the same thing. Would you like to see him incarcerated as well? I didn't think so.

No he didn't. He said that he received work related emails, but he did NOT say he passed classified via the Internet like Billary. There is a difference, you know.

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Getting to back act of domestic terror in Colorado Springs ... Mike Huckabee agrees with me!

Game Set Match

Just because you are going to vote for Huckabee doesn't make him right. And there is a difference between the use of "terror" and the use of "terroriISM."

I respect Huckabee and think he would make a great president, but for an atheist liberal to use him as a convincing tool in an attempt to win a debate, is just beyond hysterical. :mademyday:

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Just because you are going to vote for Huckabee doesn't make him right. And there is a difference between the use of "terror" and the use of "terroriISM."

I respect Huckabee and think he would make a great president, but for an atheist liberal to use him as a convincing tool in an attempt to win a debate, is just beyond hysterical. :mademyday:

You like to label people without any facts....

Not worth my time

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Just be aware that there was editing done.....agree.

Just be aware that NO court, NO panel has said they were not selling.

They simply ruled that the editing made the evidence inadmissable in a court of any kind.

You are so wrong. No court has been involved because no crime has been alleged by any prosecutor. Several GOP states have investigated, is that what you mean by panel? and each state has completely exonerated PP of any selling fetal tissue. The selling of fetal tissue is illegal. Try to get that through your dysfunctional view. The selling of fetal tissue is illegal. So when the state, the GOP run state does an investigation and says no crime was committed it is because there was no evidence of any selling of fetal tissue.
No State Has Found Proof of Fetal-Tissue Sales -- NYMag (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/09/state-has-found-proof-of-fetal-tissue-sales.html)

Here's What the Latest Investigation of Planned Parenthood Just Revealed | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/11/planned-parenthood-washington-state-investigation)

There are more, but if possible you may begin to get a glimmer of comprehension. There was no illegal sale of fetal tissue, in fact there was no sale of fetal tissue at all. There was discussion of a fee for the cost of obtaining and processing which is specifically ALLOWED by law.

But the same sources of misinformation that you use to make your completely wrong claims are likely those used by this terrorist to make his choices.

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Colin Powell admitted he did the same thing. Would you like to see him incarcerated as well? I didn't think so.

Collin Powell did not go down to Radio Shack and purchase a server.
Collin Powell did not claim said server was secure because two secret service agents were guarding it.
Collin Powell did not claim e-mails were unclassified because they were not marked as such.
Collin Powell did not lie to Congress about the presence of classified documents on a personal server.
etc. etc. etc.

If he did what Hillary did, then yes, he should be incarcerated as she should be.

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Several have posted how this terrorist was not a Christian, not affiliated or whatever, apparently to diffuse any suggestion that fundamental Christianity could have motivated him. Because of course any terrorist action by any Muslim should, by the view of many, be justification for an effort to wipe out all Muslim worship in this country and we therefore must be clear that using that logic, if this man is a fundamentalist Christian we would be compelled to wipe out all Christian worship in America.
Well here you are, the first evidence:

People who have known or met Dear say he wasn’t a regular churchgoer. But they also report that he believed devoutly in the Bible and that he claimed to have read it “cover to cover.” In an online forum, Dear apparently spoke of Jesus and the “end times.” He painted or posted crosses on at least three of his homes.

There you go, fundamentalism in all faiths is the problem. Not the faith itself, but the extreme interpretation of its precepts, often to the exclusion of its gentler, more peaceful and inclusive and representative of social justice and tolerance of the larger faith community. So just as I would not condemn all Christianity for this man, I will not condemn all Islam for some of their fundamentalist radicals.

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You are so wrong. No court has been involved because no crime has been alleged by any prosecutor. Several GOP states have investigated, is that what you mean by panel? and each state has completely exonerated PP of any selling fetal tissue. The selling of fetal tissue is illegal. Try to get that through your dysfunctional view. The selling of fetal tissue is illegal. So when the state, the GOP run state does an investigation and says no crime was committed it is because there was no evidence of any selling of fetal tissue.
No State Has Found Proof of Fetal-Tissue Sales -- NYMag (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/09/state-has-found-proof-of-fetal-tissue-sales.html)

Here's What the Latest Investigation of Planned Parenthood Just Revealed | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/11/planned-parenthood-washington-state-investigation)

There are more, but if possible you may begin to get a glimmer of comprehension. There was no illegal sale of fetal tissue, in fact there was no sale of fetal tissue at all. There was discussion of a fee for the cost of obtaining and processing which is specifically ALLOWED by law.

But the same sources of misinformation that you use to make your completely wrong claims are likely those used by this terrorist to make his choices.

Seems like some are hanging theirhat on whether the tissue and parts were charged for or not!!!!
These folks surely are not advocating that as long as the tissue, parts and other harvestings are free.....it is OK?

Aren't you missing the whole point of the immorality and corruptness involved?

I object to the term harvesting as it attempts to hide or even legitimize the fact that unborn children are being slaughtered to collect tissue and body parts.

I do not care whether you are black or white or some other color. I do not care what your political alignment is or not. Most people of reasonable intelligence will all side with the fact we do not kill innocents to get their parts with no more regard than slaughtering chickens or beef, etc.

Maybe for the supporters they need to be there to witness the butchering of a new born into parts like so many cuts of meat. Maybe, just MAYBE if they had to be there to watch, they might see the horror of the situation that is being smoothed over by the politics.

Shame on all who would be in favor of the continuation of the butchering process as well as the federal funding.

Butcher:

A butcher is a person who may slaughter animals (fetus), dress their flesh, sell their meat or do any combination of these three tasks.[1] They may prepare standard cuts of (fetus) meat, poultry, fish,[citation needed] and shellfish[citation needed] for sale in retail or wholesale food establishments. A butcher may be employed by (Planned Parenthood), supermarkets, grocery stores, butcher shops and fish markets, slaughter house, or may be self-employed.[2]

I took the liberty of including the current subject in it's real terms above instead of the cleaned up, sanitized, hise the weenie jargon of the supporters.

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However, the law that was broken was their SELLING the body parts. Whether it was for the greater good or not, it was a law that was broken and they are on video doing so. If the court will not allow the video as evidence because all the video is not there, then so be it. It does not make a difference whether or not there was prudent evidence, everyone KNOWS they are guilty of breaking the law. OJ was acquitted also, but that did not make him less guilty.

Yes, abortion is legal in the statute of law. Not GOD's law, but man's law. Call it what you will, woman's right, removing fetus material, birth control, etc. It's still morally wrong and it will be between the woman, doctor and GOD.

Back to the subject. The man was a wacko that killed some people and injured others. There is no one in his surrounding life that thinks he is a sane, decent person. He was arrested for peeping Tom, and cruelty to animals. That does not make for a normal person. Did he commit a heinous crime? Yes, but that doesn't make him a terrorist. I realize that liberals, being the hysterical group they are, wish to make this into a right wing, Christian terrorist act, but it simply is not. But, call it what you will if it makes it easier for you to vote for Hilary (another criminal). I bet it chaffs some butts that this guy was not a Republican. He was registered as an unaffiliated woman though. I believe that there is a better chance that if he is transgender (in his mind) he has probably more in common with the liberal party.

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If you listen to FOX News one could certainly justify killing abortion clinic doctors. I don't know if they mean to ok these jerks killing, but it seems that they are ok with it

[Guest]

If you listen to FOX News one could certainly justify killing abortion clinic doctors. I don't know if they mean to ok these jerks killing, but it seems that they are ok with it

Thank you for such insight. I would have never been able to interpret anything said on FOX as justifying killing, but I am sure that you are an astute mind reader.

Try as you will to blame the right, there is no evidence that anyone encouraged this loon to kill people. As a matter of fact, if you want to blame anyone, you might want to blame the government. His neighbors said that he told them that he worked for the Gov and that they were out to get him. And that they wanted to know his secrets. They also said that he was one to be avoided. His neighbors thought he was crazy. But, since he is a transgender, he must be a liberal, right? He must have been confused and didn't know where he was. But no liberal would have a gun. As Obama would say, they like to hold on to their Bibles and Guns.....so he had to be a conservative right? Too bad he was registered as an unaffiliated female voter. Now, all you can do to pin it on the right is the possible rant of him saying something about the Jews killing Jesus.

But, by all means call it terrorism so that you can up the threat level. Can't wait to hear Pelosi's comment, once they wake her up. If you need her, she is down at the cemetery, sleeping in her coffin. Make sure that you bring along a unit of blood. I'm sure she will be hungry when you wake her.

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Planned Parenthood does NOT sell body parts numerous Republican committee's have investigated and found nothing. The videos were edited to make it appear that the shipping charges for the donation where actually charges for the parts.

I don't give a crap about this guys political party or lack there of what I care about is he shot up PP less than 3 miles from my summer home and <1000 yards from the King Soopers grocery where I shop.

The mayor of Colorado Springs has called this an act of Domestic Terrorism...

It is time to call these what they are....Terrorism

Dear Guest: Its just so amazing how misunderstood progressives and progressive organization have been. There is nothing to hide behind Fast & furious, the IRS politically targeting of conservative groups, Benghazi, Clinton Charitable Foundation Secretary of State personal server, Planed Parenthood's profit maker....ad nauseam.

Tell a lie three times and it becomes a truth. Delay ignore hedge but never never comply to rules of laws, production of documents and truthfully answering interrogatories

Its not only Hillary who is a liar it appears the majority of Democratic Party. I guess Hillary comes by her deficits honestly

Personal Best Regards

[Guest]

Seems like some are hanging theirhat on whether the tissue and parts were charged for or not!!!!
These folks surely are not advocating that as long as the tissue, parts and other harvestings are free.....it is OK?

Aren't you missing the whole point of the immorality and corruptness involved?

I object to the term harvesting as it attempts to hide or even legitimize the fact that unborn children are being slaughtered to collect tissue and body parts.

I do not care whether you are black or white or some other color. I do not care what your political alignment is or not. Most people of reasonable intelligence will all side with the fact we do not kill innocents to get their parts with no more regard than slaughtering chickens or beef, etc.

Maybe for the supporters they need to be there to witness the butchering of a new born into parts like so many cuts of meat. Maybe, just MAYBE if they had to be there to watch, they might see the horror of the situation that is being smoothed over by the politics.

Shame on all who would be in favor of the continuation of the butchering process as well as the federal funding.

Butcher:

A butcher is a person who may slaughter animals (fetus), dress their flesh, sell their meat or do any combination of these three tasks.[1] They may prepare standard cuts of (fetus) meat, poultry, fish,[citation needed] and shellfish[citation needed] for sale in retail or wholesale food establishments. A butcher may be employed by (Planned Parenthood), supermarkets, grocery stores, butcher shops and fish markets, slaughter house, or may be self-employed.[2]

I took the liberty of including the current subject in it's real terms above instead of the cleaned up, sanitized, hise the weenie jargon of the supporters.

:thumbup:

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If you listen to FOX News one could certainly justify killing abortion clinic doctors. I don't know if they mean to ok these jerks killing, but it seems that they are ok with it

Too much fresh air?
Too much XXX kool aide?
Partisan talking point?
Off the wall interpretation?
No matter what they say the interpretation, which is out in left (PUN) field..... is what y'all are allowed to say.The application of so called abortion laws and abortion rights as once upon a time to terminate an unwanted birth.....is not applicable to the fetus meat market, Planned Parenthood, where butchering has become a business that has long ago eclipsed the real intent of the law.

To HIDE behind the letter of the law to defend or support the butchering of live fetus is wrong to most humans on this planet.....like it or not!

Do you really believe some people are moved to murder of the adults involved because women are just getting an abortion to terminate an unwanted pregnancy???? WAKE UP AND FACE THE REALITY!!

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Too much fresh air?
Too much XXX kool aide?
Partisan talking point?
Off the wall interpretation?
No matter what they say the interpretation, which is out in left (PUN) field..... is what y'all are allowed to say.The application of so called abortion laws and abortion rights as once upon a time to terminate an unwanted birth.....is not applicable to the fetus meat market, Planned Parenthood, where butchering has become a business that has long ago eclipsed the real intent of the law.

To HIDE behind the letter of the law to defend or support the butchering of live fetus is wrong to most humans on this planet.....like it or not!

Do you really believe some people are moved to murder of the adults involved because women are just getting an abortion to terminate an unwanted pregnancy???? WAKE UP AND FACE THE REALITY!!

And .....NO I do not think what he and others did is OK!!

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Seems like some are hanging theirhat on whether the tissue and parts were charged for or not!!!!
These folks surely are not advocating that as long as the tissue, parts and other harvestings are free.....it is OK?

Aren't you missing the whole point of the immorality and corruptness involved?

I object to the term harvesting as it attempts to hide or even legitimize the fact that unborn children are being slaughtered to collect tissue and body parts.

I do not care whether you are black or white or some other color. I do not care what your political alignment is or not. Most people of reasonable intelligence will all side with the fact we do not kill innocents to get their parts with no more regard than slaughtering chickens or beef, etc.

Maybe for the supporters they need to be there to witness the butchering of a new born into parts like so many cuts of meat. Maybe, just MAYBE if they had to be there to watch, they might see the horror of the situation that is being smoothed over by the politics.

Shame on all who would be in favor of the continuation of the butchering process as well as the federal funding.

Butcher:

A butcher is a person who may slaughter animals (fetus), dress their flesh, sell their meat or do any combination of these three tasks.[1] They may prepare standard cuts of (fetus) meat, poultry, fish,[citation needed] and shellfish[citation needed] for sale in retail or wholesale food establishments. A butcher may be employed by (Planned Parenthood), supermarkets, grocery stores, butcher shops and fish markets, slaughter house, or may be self-employed.[2]

I took the liberty of including the current subject in it's real terms above instead of the cleaned up, sanitized, hise the weenie jargon of the supporters.

Abortion is a legal constitutionally protected right! That is the current law!!!

You might believe differently which is protected under freedom of religion however as you are afforded this right but we also have the right to be free from your religion!

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Dear Guest: Its just so amazing how misunderstood progressives and progressive organization have been. There is nothing to hide behind Fast & furious, the IRS politically targeting of conservative groups, Benghazi, Clinton Charitable Foundation Secretary of State personal server, Planed Parenthood's profit maker....ad nauseam.

Tell a lie three times and it becomes a truth. Delay ignore hedge but never never comply to rules of laws, production of documents and truthfully answering interrogatories

Its not only Hillary who is a liar it appears the majority of Democratic Party. I guess Hillary comes by her deficits honestly

Personal Best Regards

We all saw how Benghazi panned out ... Just another right witch hunt.

You drink the Fox Noise right wing Koolaid...

Have fun

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We all saw how Benghazi panned out ... Just another right witch hunt.

You drink the Fox Noise right wing Koolaid...

Have fun

Gee....I thought Benghazi worked well.

We found out that the Secy of State had her own server unbeknown to the President of the United States. Would never have known that without these hearings.

Had Secy Clinton commit to a few things that will haunt her in the general elections season...a number of differing stories, etc.

Didn't see that on Fox at all. Gee....it was on all the channels, don't you know !!

By the way, my experience is that people who blame a friggin television network for all the ills of the world are just lost....Facts are Facts...only difference between all the networks is which they present and in what context. They ALL report the facts. Geez

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Abortion is a legal constitutionally protected right! That is the current law!!!

You might believe differently which is protected under freedom of religion however as you are afforded this right but we also have the right to be free from your religion!

Are you OK? You appear to be very distraught and hysterical. Did anyone suggest that Abortion is illegal? Maybe I missed that part. Was this an issue regarding abortion? Maybe I missed that part too. I believe the issue that might/might conceivably be related to the issue is the selling of baby body parts. And that is barely relative, considering that the killer mumbled something about "no more body parts" or something. This guy is mentally disturbed and will probably be found innocent due to insanity when he goes to court. No one is going to charge him with terrorism.

I wonder where you got the association of abortion and then the religion stuff. Yes, you are free from religion, but religion is still going to be there. So far, in this not yet communist country, freedom OF religion is still constitutional. It's not yet banned.

Yes, you are perfectly within legal boundaries to kill unborn babies by law. That will be eventually judged between you and GOD. However, it is still unlawful to sell baby body parts. So, eventually someone from PP is going to mess up and there will be sufficient evidence to prove their culpability in court. I find it very interesting that you feel compelled to justify selling body parts. I guess not everyone has a sense of morals. But, that too is between you and GOD. And no, I am not forcing my religion on you. I am just making an observation, and sympathizing with your plight. My conscience is clear.

I do not believe that the killer had an agenda. I believe he was deranged. His neighbors said that he told them that he worked for the gov and that they were spying on him and trying to get his secrets. His neighbors said he was to "be avoided." He was a peeping Tom and an animal abuser. He is registered to vote as a woman. That does not make for a sane person. I would joke and suggest that he is probably a liberal but you would probably take it seriously and cry foul.

[Guest]

We all saw how Benghazi panned out ... Just another right witch hunt.

You drink the Fox Noise right wing Koolaid...

Have fun

You're kidding right? Are you really that naive or just baiting? Will you blame those same hearings for her election loss?

[Guest]

We all saw how Benghazi panned out ... Just another right witch hunt.

You drink the Fox Noise right wing Koolaid...

Have fun

FOX thanks you liberals for helping them become the number one cable news network in the world. Without the assistance of liberals it would never have been accomplished.

[Guest]

Several have posted how this terrorist was not a Christian, not affiliated or whatever, apparently to diffuse any suggestion that fundamental Christianity could have motivated him. Because of course any terrorist action by any Muslim should, by the view of many, be justification for an effort to wipe out all Muslim worship in this country and we therefore must be clear that using that logic, if this man is a fundamentalist Christian we would be compelled to wipe out all Christian worship in America.
Well here you are, the first evidence:

People who have known or met Dear say he wasn’t a regular churchgoer. But they also report that he believed devoutly in the Bible and that he claimed to have read it “cover to cover.” In an online forum, Dear apparently spoke of Jesus and the “end times.” He painted or posted crosses on at least three of his homes.

There you go, fundamentalism in all faiths is the problem. Not the faith itself, but the extreme interpretation of its precepts, often to the exclusion of its gentler, more peaceful and inclusive and representative of social justice and tolerance of the larger faith community. So just as I would not condemn all Christianity for this man, I will not condemn all Islam for some of their fundamentalist radicals.

From where do you get this "evidence"? Can't seem to find this in ANY news article anywhere.

[Guest]

Gee....I thought Benghazi worked well.

We found out that the Secy of State had her own server unbeknown to the President of the United States. Would never have known that without these hearings.

Had Secy Clinton commit to a few things that will haunt her in the general elections season...a number of differing stories, etc.

Didn't see that on Fox at all. Gee....it was on all the channels, don't you know !!

By the way, my experience is that people who blame a friggin television network for all the ills of the world are just lost....Facts are Facts...only difference between all the networks is which they present and in what context. They ALL report the facts. Geez

Then you watched a different 11 hour hearing the rest of us did.

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Then you watched a different 11 hour hearing the rest of us did.

Not sure how to tell you this but the 11 hours you allude to was ONE day of many and one witness of many.

How do you think the secret server was discovered ? By this committee !!

[Guest]

Are you OK? You appear to be very distraught and hysterical. Did anyone suggest that Abortion is illegal? Maybe I missed that part. Was this an issue regarding abortion? Maybe I missed that part too. I believe the issue that might/might conceivably be related to the issue is the selling of baby body parts. And that is barely relative, considering that the killer mumbled something about "no more body parts" or something. This guy is mentally disturbed and will probably be found innocent due to insanity when he goes to court. No one is going to charge him with terrorism.

I wonder where you got the association of abortion and then the religion stuff. Yes, you are free from religion, but religion is still going to be there. So far, in this not yet communist country, freedom OF religion is still constitutional. It's not yet banned.

Yes, you are perfectly within legal boundaries to kill unborn babies by law. That will be eventually judged between you and GOD. However, it is still unlawful to sell baby body parts. So, eventually someone from PP is going to mess up and there will be sufficient evidence to prove their culpability in court. I find it very interesting that you feel compelled to justify selling body parts. I guess not everyone has a sense of morals. But, that too is between you and GOD. And no, I am not forcing my religion on you. I am just making an observation, and sympathizing with your plight. My conscience is clear.

I do not believe that the killer had an agenda. I believe he was deranged. His neighbors said that he told them that he worked for the gov and that they were spying on him and trying to get his secrets. His neighbors said he was to "be avoided." He was a peeping Tom and an animal abuser. He is registered to vote as a woman. That does not make for a sane person. I would joke and suggest that he is probably a liberal but you would probably take it seriously and cry foul.

I really can't follow this post... In my home town and where I now have a summer home a man walked into PP, in my neighborhood, and started shooting killing 3 and wounding 9.
I have never killed a baby so there will be no judging on that.
Nobody sold baby parts, the women donated the parts to science the charges were for shipping.

You have the right to freedom of religion but the rest of us have the right to be free from your religion. For example if you voted against any marriage equality laws then you attempted to impose your religious beliefs on the rest of us.

Obviously you don't know much about Colorado Springs or you would know this PP is one of the most protested in the US and therefore was granted the right to a buffer zone by the courts due to the violence that had occurred.

This was an attack of terror, the man targeted PP brought an assault weapon which is designed to kill people and the rest is history.

Less than 30 days ago Colorado Springs suffered another mass shooting with 4 day. I did not claim that it was a terrorist attack because that was a deranged guy who just walked down a street and started shooting randomly.

PP is a political target, the shooter talked about body parts, think the video and killed 3 people. That equals a terrorist attack.

As from him registering as a women when I registered to vote botched my name

[Guest]

Then you watched a different 11 hour hearing the rest of us did.

I guess I watched a different one than you also. Of course, they probably didn't show it on the liberal media outlets that you watch. Or, they edited it so that she wouldn't look so bad for your type.

[Guest]

I really can't follow this post... In my home town and where I now have a summer home a man walked into PP, in my neighborhood, and started shooting killing 3 and wounding 9.
I have never killed a baby so there will be no judging on that.
Nobody sold baby parts, the women donated the parts to science the charges were for shipping.

You have the right to freedom of religion but the rest of us have the right to be free from your religion. For example if you voted against any marriage equality laws then you attempted to impose your religious beliefs on the rest of us.

Obviously you don't know much about Colorado Springs or you would know this PP is one of the most protested in the US and therefore was granted the right to a buffer zone by the courts due to the violence that had occurred.

This was an attack of terror, the man targeted PP brought an assault weapon which is designed to kill people and the rest is history.

Less than 30 days ago Colorado Springs suffered another mass shooting with 4 day. I did not claim that it was a terrorist attack because that was a deranged guy who just walked down a street and started shooting randomly.

PP is a political target, the shooter talked about body parts, think the video and killed 3 people. That equals a terrorist attack.

As from him registering as a women when I registered to vote botched my name

You really ought to watch or read other news sources so that you won't embarrass yourself with such ludicrous statements as they only charged for shipping of the body parts. That's why when asked how much they wanted for the body parts, the woman responded enough to buy a Lamborghini or something like that. I saw the videos and even if it wasn't ALL the videos, it was enough. Just because the court won't allow the videos because they weren't complete, does not make them any less culpable. You are so naive.

Regarding the religion aspect, you are way off base. It is the gov that is attempting to impose on religious belief, not the other way around. The gov is imposing itself into religious marriage, birth control, business, etc. You are once again, way off base. Nice twist on reality though.

Another myth you are attempting to spread is that the killer had an assault weapon. He had a hunting rifle. He did NOT have an assault weapon. More liberal hysteria.

PP being a protest sight is no big deal. They all are, or a lot of them are. That is part of what happens when the majority of America doesn't approve of baby killing and selling of body parts. And we can argue that all day and get nowhere. It's a moot point as far as abortion is concerned, but eventually they will get caught selling the parts for profit and go to jail, where they belong. It's still against the law.

So, other than the fact that a deranged man killed some folks at PP, you have no evidence that this is terrorism, other than your hysteria and your twist on the definition. When/if you find out that he/she (transgender voter registration) might be a democrat, it will all die down. As long as you can blame it on religion or push gun control, it will be a major terrorist deal, instead of what it really is, mass killing spree.

So, please go back and do your OWN research and not rely on what Huffington Post told you. Then come back and have an honest debate on the subject.

The man was not a Christian
The man was not a Republican
The man believed he worked for the gov and that they were spying on him and trying to get his "secrets."
The man is registered as an unaffiliated woman voter
His neighbors said he was "to be avoided."
He lived in a shack or trailer without electricity
He was unwashed, unshaven and appeared disoriented.
He mumbled " no more body parts" when he was arrested.
He was arrested for peeping tom and animal abuse

He was/is deranged. He was not a terrorist. Not all killers are terrorists. You can call it a day of terror, but you are stretching it to call it terrorism. His action does not fit the complete definition of the term "terrorism" no matter what the media tries to make it.

[Guest]

And no one from Planned Parenthood was targeted. So, if he had a motive at all, I guess we will just have to wait and see what he says.

[Guest]

When it turned out that Pennsylvania late-term abortionist Kermit Gosnell was guilty of even worse butchery than the average abortionist, in that he (inter alia) also killed the children who survived his attempted abortions as opposed to merely those who didn’t, the media was infamously disinterested. Even when it turned out that fully grown women had died as a result of Gosnell’s gross indifference to human life, the media could not even be bothered to attend his trial. Even when it turned out that he victimized poor women in particular, refusing to provide them adequate anesthesia for their procedures in the name of penny pinching, the “media” section of his courtroom was empty.

The media defended their indifference to Gosnell’s grisly crimes and his subsequent conviction on multiple homicide offenses by calling it a “local crime story” which was of course not worth their interest.

Last Friday, a man named Robert Dear got involved in a shootout at a strip mall in Colorado Springs that happened to contain a Planned Parenthood. Three people were killed, including one police officer who was responding to the scene. Here is what we know about the shooter:
1. He lived alone and apparently completely without electricity;
2. One neighbor claims that Dear once tried to give him a pamphlet that was opposed to Obama, although what that pamphlet might have read or even the general gist was we don’t know since the neighbor by his own admission just used it as kindling for his fire;
3. The few people who did regularly talk to him said that he was not religious and did not ever discuss abortion; and
4. He showed up in court today looking, by all accounts, in a manner consistent with accounts of police at the scene; that is to say, in the manner of a man who is not in full control of his reasoning faculties;
5. Activist journalist Wesley Lowery, whose mistakes in coverage during the Ferguson fiasco are too numerous to recount here claimed on twitter to have heard from a Planned Parenthood employee that a man who lived in a cabin with no electricity mentioned “no more Baby Parts” as he was escorted from the premises, indicating a surprising familiarity with an exclusively Internet phenomenon for a man with no electricity. Later when Lowery wrote his actual story for the Washington Post, the Planned Parenthood employee had become an “unnamed law enforcement source.”
6. In subsequent media reports about the story, they referenced an “unnamed law enforcement source” who had heard the “Baby Parts” remark, without being tremendously clear whether they were reference an independent source of their own or just passing on Lowery’s remarks (knowing what I know of the media, a good amount of the latter occurred);
7. Now virtually every media outlet is reporting as fact that Deal made the “Baby Parts” remarks in spite of the fact that literally no eyewitness has come forward by name and claimed to have heard this.

On the basis of these facts, the media has convicted this guy of being a card-carrying Operation Rescue who was at the clinic specifically for the purpose of killing an abortion provider – which, if he had succeeded, would have made him the second person this entire century to do so.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the most insidious form of media bias comes in terms of what the media decides to cover at all, not how the media decides to cover the story du jour. Definitely, there’s a lot to complain about in terms of the way the media is covering this story, but the main complaint should be that this is a story the media is covering as a big deal, or as a bigger deal than any of the several hundred tragic homicides that occurred elsewhere in America last Friday. If the suspected motivation for the killer had been that he was a radical Muslim, or that he was an abortionist who wanted to operate without reasonable oversight from the state (which is to say, pretty much all abortionists, as far as I can tell), they would have instead done their best to either bury the story all together or softpedal his supposed motivations, or (what would be eminently reasonable in this case) be much more cautious about even stating that the Planned Parenthood was the definitive target for his attacks.

But that’s the way it goes if the liberal sacred cow of abortion is even possibly under attack – magically, a story that would be described as either a “local crime story” or an incident of “workplace violence” becomes instead a “major story that every network will cover ceaselessly for three days.”

By Leon H. wolf (Diary) RedState 12/1/15

With such tragedies both the media and its readers should be honest with themselves in order to be effective at eliminating such societal problems . However this nation is so deeply ideologically divided we'd rather be right than to do the right and responsible thing....and a nation divided.......

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

When it turned out that Pennsylvania late-term abortionist Kermit Gosnell was guilty of even worse butchery than the average abortionist, in that he (inter alia) also killed the children who survived his attempted abortions as opposed to merely those who didn’t, the media was infamously disinterested. Even when it turned out that fully grown women had died as a result of Gosnell’s gross indifference to human life, the media could not even be bothered to attend his trial. Even when it turned out that he victimized poor women in particular, refusing to provide them adequate anesthesia for their procedures in the name of penny pinching, the “media” section of his courtroom was empty.

The media defended their indifference to Gosnell’s grisly crimes and his subsequent conviction on multiple homicide offenses by calling it a “local crime story” which was of course not worth their interest.

Last Friday, a man named Robert Dear got involved in a shootout at a strip mall in Colorado Springs that happened to contain a Planned Parenthood. Three people were killed, including one police officer who was responding to the scene. Here is what we know about the shooter:
1. He lived alone and apparently completely without electricity;
2. One neighbor claims that Dear once tried to give him a pamphlet that was opposed to Obama, although what that pamphlet might have read or even the general gist was we don’t know since the neighbor by his own admission just used it as kindling for his fire;
3. The few people who did regularly talk to him said that he was not religious and did not ever discuss abortion; and
4. He showed up in court today looking, by all accounts, in a manner consistent with accounts of police at the scene; that is to say, in the manner of a man who is not in full control of his reasoning faculties;
5. Activist journalist Wesley Lowery, whose mistakes in coverage during the Ferguson fiasco are too numerous to recount here claimed on twitter to have heard from a Planned Parenthood employee that a man who lived in a cabin with no electricity mentioned “no more Baby Parts” as he was escorted from the premises, indicating a surprising familiarity with an exclusively Internet phenomenon for a man with no electricity. Later when Lowery wrote his actual story for the Washington Post, the Planned Parenthood employee had become an “unnamed law enforcement source.”
6. In subsequent media reports about the story, they referenced an “unnamed law enforcement source” who had heard the “Baby Parts” remark, without being tremendously clear whether they were reference an independent source of their own or just passing on Lowery’s remarks (knowing what I know of the media, a good amount of the latter occurred);
7. Now virtually every media outlet is reporting as fact that Deal made the “Baby Parts” remarks in spite of the fact that literally no eyewitness has come forward by name and claimed to have heard this.

On the basis of these facts, the media has convicted this guy of being a card-carrying Operation Rescue who was at the clinic specifically for the purpose of killing an abortion provider – which, if he had succeeded, would have made him the second person this entire century to do so.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the most insidious form of media bias comes in terms of what the media decides to cover at all, not how the media decides to cover the story du jour. Definitely, there’s a lot to complain about in terms of the way the media is covering this story, but the main complaint should be that this is a story the media is covering as a big deal, or as a bigger deal than any of the several hundred tragic homicides that occurred elsewhere in America last Friday. If the suspected motivation for the killer had been that he was a radical Muslim, or that he was an abortionist who wanted to operate without reasonable oversight from the state (which is to say, pretty much all abortionists, as far as I can tell), they would have instead done their best to either bury the story all together or softpedal his supposed motivations, or (what would be eminently reasonable in this case) be much more cautious about even stating that the Planned Parenthood was the definitive target for his attacks.

But that’s the way it goes if the liberal sacred cow of abortion is even possibly under attack – magically, a story that would be described as either a “local crime story” or an incident of “workplace violence” becomes instead a “major story that every network will cover ceaselessly for three days.”

By Leon H. wolf (Diary) RedState 12/1/15

With such tragedies both the media and its readers should be honest with themselves in order to be effective at eliminating such societal problems . However this nation is so deeply ideologically divided we'd rather be right than to do the right and responsible thing....and a nation divided.......

Personal Best Regards:

:thumbup:

[Guest]

When it turned out that Pennsylvania late-term abortionist Kermit Gosnell was guilty of even worse butchery than the average abortionist, in that he (inter alia) also killed the children who survived his attempted abortions as opposed to merely those who didn’t, the media was infamously disinterested. Even when it turned out that fully grown women had died as a result of Gosnell’s gross indifference to human life, the media could not even be bothered to attend his trial. Even when it turned out that he victimized poor women in particular, refusing to provide them adequate anesthesia for their procedures in the name of penny pinching, the “media” section of his courtroom was empty.

The media defended their indifference to Gosnell’s grisly crimes and his subsequent conviction on multiple homicide offenses by calling it a “local crime story” which was of course not worth their interest.

Last Friday, a man named Robert Dear got involved in a shootout at a strip mall in Colorado Springs that happened to contain a Planned Parenthood. Three people were killed, including one police officer who was responding to the scene. Here is what we know about the shooter:
1. He lived alone and apparently completely without electricity;
2. One neighbor claims that Dear once tried to give him a pamphlet that was opposed to Obama, although what that pamphlet might have read or even the general gist was we don’t know since the neighbor by his own admission just used it as kindling for his fire;
3. The few people who did regularly talk to him said that he was not religious and did not ever discuss abortion; and
4. He showed up in court today looking, by all accounts, in a manner consistent with accounts of police at the scene; that is to say, in the manner of a man who is not in full control of his reasoning faculties;
5. Activist journalist Wesley Lowery, whose mistakes in coverage during the Ferguson fiasco are too numerous to recount here claimed on twitter to have heard from a Planned Parenthood employee that a man who lived in a cabin with no electricity mentioned “no more Baby Parts” as he was escorted from the premises, indicating a surprising familiarity with an exclusively Internet phenomenon for a man with no electricity. Later when Lowery wrote his actual story for the Washington Post, the Planned Parenthood employee had become an “unnamed law enforcement source.”
6. In subsequent media reports about the story, they referenced an “unnamed law enforcement source” who had heard the “Baby Parts” remark, without being tremendously clear whether they were reference an independent source of their own or just passing on Lowery’s remarks (knowing what I know of the media, a good amount of the latter occurred);
7. Now virtually every media outlet is reporting as fact that Deal made the “Baby Parts” remarks in spite of the fact that literally no eyewitness has come forward by name and claimed to have heard this.

On the basis of these facts, the media has convicted this guy of being a card-carrying Operation Rescue who was at the clinic specifically for the purpose of killing an abortion provider – which, if he had succeeded, would have made him the second person this entire century to do so.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the most insidious form of media bias comes in terms of what the media decides to cover at all, not how the media decides to cover the story du jour. Definitely, there’s a lot to complain about in terms of the way the media is covering this story, but the main complaint should be that this is a story the media is covering as a big deal, or as a bigger deal than any of the several hundred tragic homicides that occurred elsewhere in America last Friday. If the suspected motivation for the killer had been that he was a radical Muslim, or that he was an abortionist who wanted to operate without reasonable oversight from the state (which is to say, pretty much all abortionists, as far as I can tell), they would have instead done their best to either bury the story all together or softpedal his supposed motivations, or (what would be eminently reasonable in this case) be much more cautious about even stating that the Planned Parenthood was the definitive target for his attacks.

But that’s the way it goes if the liberal sacred cow of abortion is even possibly under attack – magically, a story that would be described as either a “local crime story” or an incident of “workplace violence” becomes instead a “major story that every network will cover ceaselessly for three days.”

By Leon H. wolf (Diary) RedState 12/1/15

With such tragedies both the media and its readers should be honest with themselves in order to be effective at eliminating such societal problems . However this nation is so deeply ideologically divided we'd rather be right than to do the right and responsible thing....and a nation divided.......

Personal Best Regards:

Now you've done it. You have made liberals appear foolish again.
Liberals= participants in mass hysteria, easily led like sheep. Followers, not leaders.

[Guest]

When it turned out that Pennsylvania late-term abortionist Kermit Gosnell was guilty of even worse butchery than the average abortionist, in that he (inter alia) also killed the children who survived his attempted abortions as opposed to merely those who didn’t, the media was infamously disinterested. Even when it turned out that fully grown women had died as a result of Gosnell’s gross indifference to human life, the media could not even be bothered to attend his trial. Even when it turned out that he victimized poor women in particular, refusing to provide them adequate anesthesia for their procedures in the name of penny pinching, the “media” section of his courtroom was empty.

The media defended their indifference to Gosnell’s grisly crimes and his subsequent conviction on multiple homicide offenses by calling it a “local crime story” which was of course not worth their interest.

Last Friday, a man named Robert Dear got involved in a shootout at a strip mall in Colorado Springs that happened to contain a Planned Parenthood. Three people were killed, including one police officer who was responding to the scene. Here is what we know about the shooter:
1. He lived alone and apparently completely without electricity;
2. One neighbor claims that Dear once tried to give him a pamphlet that was opposed to Obama, although what that pamphlet might have read or even the general gist was we don’t know since the neighbor by his own admission just used it as kindling for his fire;
3. The few people who did regularly talk to him said that he was not religious and did not ever discuss abortion; and
4. He showed up in court today looking, by all accounts, in a manner consistent with accounts of police at the scene; that is to say, in the manner of a man who is not in full control of his reasoning faculties;
5. Activist journalist Wesley Lowery, whose mistakes in coverage during the Ferguson fiasco are too numerous to recount here claimed on twitter to have heard from a Planned Parenthood employee that a man who lived in a cabin with no electricity mentioned “no more Baby Parts” as he was escorted from the premises, indicating a surprising familiarity with an exclusively Internet phenomenon for a man with no electricity. Later when Lowery wrote his actual story for the Washington Post, the Planned Parenthood employee had become an “unnamed law enforcement source.”
6. In subsequent media reports about the story, they referenced an “unnamed law enforcement source” who had heard the “Baby Parts” remark, without being tremendously clear whether they were reference an independent source of their own or just passing on Lowery’s remarks (knowing what I know of the media, a good amount of the latter occurred);
7. Now virtually every media outlet is reporting as fact that Deal made the “Baby Parts” remarks in spite of the fact that literally no eyewitness has come forward by name and claimed to have heard this.

On the basis of these facts, the media has convicted this guy of being a card-carrying Operation Rescue who was at the clinic specifically for the purpose of killing an abortion provider – which, if he had succeeded, would have made him the second person this entire century to do so.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the most insidious form of media bias comes in terms of what the media decides to cover at all, not how the media decides to cover the story du jour. Definitely, there’s a lot to complain about in terms of the way the media is covering this story, but the main complaint should be that this is a story the media is covering as a big deal, or as a bigger deal than any of the several hundred tragic homicides that occurred elsewhere in America last Friday. If the suspected motivation for the killer had been that he was a radical Muslim, or that he was an abortionist who wanted to operate without reasonable oversight from the state (which is to say, pretty much all abortionists, as far as I can tell), they would have instead done their best to either bury the story all together or softpedal his supposed motivations, or (what would be eminently reasonable in this case) be much more cautious about even stating that the Planned Parenthood was the definitive target for his attacks.

But that’s the way it goes if the liberal sacred cow of abortion is even possibly under attack – magically, a story that would be described as either a “local crime story” or an incident of “workplace violence” becomes instead a “major story that every network will cover ceaselessly for three days.”

By Leon H. wolf (Diary) RedState 12/1/15

With such tragedies both the media and its readers should be honest with themselves in order to be effective at eliminating such societal problems . However this nation is so deeply ideologically divided we'd rather be right than to do the right and responsible thing....and a nation divided.......

Personal Best Regards:
My good friend, I think you need a hobby!

[Guest]

My good friend, I think you need a hobby!

Maybe this is his hobby. At least he is informed and concerned. Unlike liberals that troll on here and have nothing of substance to relate. It would be refreshing to see a post from a liberal that was factual and coherent.

Perhaps your hobbies are getting in the way of your education on current events. Just guessing, or making a suggestion.

[Guest]

Maybe this is his hobby. At least he is informed and concerned. Unlike liberals that troll on here and have nothing of substance to relate. It would be refreshing to see a post from a liberal that was factual and coherent.

Perhaps your hobbies are getting in the way of your education on current events. Just guessing, or making a suggestion.

Thank you for saying what needs to be said. To them, this is a game to be played like teens harassing the elders.

[Guest]

My good friend, I think you need a hobby!

Dear Guest: The fact of the matter is that my hobby was assisting misinformed progressives on to the straight and logical road.

However a hobby is turning out to be a full time job because so many progressives seem to be tilting at windmills and false gods.

This "emperor has no clothes" mentality by progressives is either a concentrated head fake, or if a sincere belief, the most acute case of denial ever known to man.

Either way cogent realist like myself really have a heavy lift so please be more cooperative by at least listening. Progressives can listen better first by recognizing that name calling is not an argument.


Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

My good friend, I think you need a hobby!

I agree. If this is his hobby, its a sad day in paradise.

[Guest]

Dear Guest: The fact of the matter is that my hobby was assisting misinformed progressives on to the straight and logical road.

However a hobby is turning out to be a full time job because so many progressives seem to be tilting at windmills and false gods.

This "emperor has no clothes" mentality by progressives is either a concentrated head fake, or if a sincere belief, the most acute case of denial ever known to man.

Either way cogent realist like myself really have a heavy lift so please be more cooperative by at least listening. Progressives can listen better first by recognizing that name calling is not an argument.


Personal Best Regards:

:thumbup:

[Guest]

I agree. If this is his hobby, its a sad day in paradise.

I can see where being informed could cause an adverse reaction to a liberal. Kind of hard to pull the wool over those of us that keep up to date in current events. Liberals tend to take the lazy way, easy way and wait for someone that they trust tells them something. Then they repeat it without confirming the validity of the information.

You can lead a liberal to the truth, but you can't make them THINK !

To be old and wise you must survive being young and stupid.

[Guest]

And now we have the motive: All evidence suggests Planned Parenthood shooting was act of domestic terror. Authorities and Colorado Springs mayor say the shooter was politically motivated in his attack on the health clinic.

[Guest]

And now we have the motive: All evidence suggests Planned Parenthood shooting was act of domestic terror. Authorities and Colorado Springs mayor say the shooter was politically motivated in his attack on the health clinic.

Are you sure that that it wasn't "workplace violence" like the Fort Hood incident?:throwtomatoes:

[Guest]

And now we have the motive: All evidence suggests Planned Parenthood shooting was act of domestic terror. Authorities and Colorado Springs mayor say the shooter was politically motivated in his attack on the health clinic.

Now that's real credible. The shooter still thought Nixon was president. I doubt very much that this guy could spell political let alone understand what it means. Wonder how it could be planned parenthood that was the target when no one from PP was targeted.

[Guest]

I say the authorities who are privy to all the information about the shooting, are more knowledgeable about what happened and its causes, than some of the posters on this thread. You are just speculating.

[Guest]

and since it was a white guy threatening to kill white people there is not very much coverage or interest by the media, the politicians and the usual special interest groups that hover over a white on black incident.

Nothing in it for Obama, Jackson and Sharpton. Where are the white counterparts of these guys??

Not being racial. Just stating the obvious which obviously has racial implications.

[Guest]

According to the Washington Post, Dear was abusive and violent toward women, including his three ex-wives, and was even accused of raping a married woman. He hit on any woman that appealed to him, whether married or not. He told his former wife that he could do anything he wanted because he was a saved Christian and it was near the end of the world. He also abused animals. The Post also states that his neighbors said he would often say that the gov was spying on him and trying to get his secrets.

The man is crazy and deranged. He will probably be institutionalized as insane.

[Guest]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/before-colorado-shooting-a-long-history-of-violence-against-women/2015/12/01/7f494c86-987b-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html?wpisrc=nl_az_headline

[Guest]

And they found the clerical error from the DMV which had his sex listed as female.

So he isn't transgendered!!!!!!

White male domestic terrorist.....

[Guest]

And they found the clerical error from the DMV which had his sex listed as female.

So he isn't transgendered!!!!!!

White male domestic terrorist.....

This wacko was and is not a terrorist. He is a gunman...a killer....a gun weilding nut job....

Read the following definition and then get of the partisan BS wagon:

Terrorist - definition of terrorist by The Free Dictionary (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/terrorist)

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1153509]This wacko was and is not a terrorist. He is a gunman...a killer....a gun weilding nut job....
/QUOTE]

...and a Republican!

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1153509]This wacko was and is not a terrorist. He is a gunman...a killer....a gun weilding nut job....
/QUOTE]

...and a Republican!

Nice try, but another of your many lies. He was registered as a female unaffiliated voter. Whether or not the female part is a mistake, I doubt they messed up his affiliation. So, once again you have been caught.

[Guest]

“I say this every time we have one of these mass shootings. This just doesn’t happen in other countries,” President Obama said.

The president made the statement in Paris, the site of a recent armed ISIS attack that killed 130 civilians, and the location of Charlie Hedbo magazine attacks that killed 12 people and injured 11 people in January.

What an idiot!

[Guest]

And they found the clerical error from the DMV which had his sex listed as female.

So he isn't transgendered!!!!!!

White male domestic terrorist.....

Call him anything you wish, and he IS a wacko for sure. But, one thing they didn't get right was that Planned Parenthood is any more right than the wacko. Maybe he was attempting to kill, which is criminal, but the only difference is that PP has a license to kill, and he didn't. And being a former COP, I would have put him in the dirt already for his killing a police officer that HAD to protect even those that he didn't necessarily agree with.

[Guest]

“I say this every time we have one of these mass shootings. This just doesn’t happen in other countries,” President Obama said.

The president made the statement in Paris, the site of a recent armed ISIS attack that killed 130 civilians, and the location of Charlie Hedbo magazine attacks that killed 12 people and injured 11 people in January.

What an idiot!

mass stabbings, suicide bombings, beheadings, stoning, starving, just to name a few he kinda sorta missed.

Just like the supporters on this site. They say anything and anything that fills in their sentence that supports their intent or agenda whether true or not, real or not, pertinent or not or menaningful or not.......does not matter.

[Guest]

mass stabbings, suicide bombings, beheadings, stoning, starving, just to name a few he kinda sorta missed.

Just like the supporters on this site. They say anything and anything that fills in their sentence that supports their intent or agenda whether true or not, real or not, pertinent or not or menaningful or not.......does not matter.

But you don't get it. It's the global warming causing terrorism. Wonder if Dears can use that for his defense for the shooting at the PP. He can get Obama to testify for him as an expert witness.

[Guest]

And he previously vandalized another Planned Parenthood office. Sounds like he is part of the anti-abortion terrorists group/movement to me.

[Guest]

And he previously vandalized another Planned Parenthood office. Sounds like he is part of the anti-abortion terrorists group/movement to me.

Yes, a paper cut is a "terrorist" to you liberals. Of course, your socialist party likes to protest with violence and then blame the Republicans for being terrorist-like with your rhetoric. Next time there is a rape or robbery, we'll just call it a terrorist act, since the word makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.

[Guest]

time has come once again to stop engaging the name calling, non productove, non value adding, contraian :censored:!

[Guest]

Yes, a paper cut is a "terrorist" to you liberals. Of course, your socialist party likes to protest with violence and then blame the Republicans for being terrorist-like with your rhetoric. Next time there is a rape or robbery, we'll just call it a terrorist act, since the word makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.

Fine, call him a religiously motivated deranged killer who was very likely strongly influenced by comments and representations of the actions of planned parenthood as explained by mainstream Republican politicians and talking heads. Like that better? It was not by accident that this particular PP was targeted. It is not pure coincidence that this happened as the anti PP rhetoric of the GOP reached peak volume. Yes, the man is crazy as is likely every mass killer, but he was triggered by something.. a toxic mix of his illness and the fuse was ignited by his faith and the implicit encouragement of others. Including the thinking as some on this forum.

[Guest]

Yes, a paper cut is a "terrorist" to you liberals. Of course, your socialist party likes to protest with violence and then blame the Republicans for being terrorist-like with your rhetoric. Next time there is a rape or robbery, we'll just call it a terrorist act, since the word makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.

You are deranged. And you have no clue what the meaning of the word terrorist is. Why am I not surprised. Republicans don't have a clue about a lot of things.

[Guest]

Fine, call him a religiously motivated deranged killer who was very likely strongly influenced by comments and representations of the actions of planned parenthood as explained by mainstream Republican politicians and talking heads. Like that better? It was not by accident that this particular PP was targeted. It is not pure coincidence that this happened as the anti PP rhetoric of the GOP reached peak volume. Yes, the man is crazy as is likely every mass killer, but he was triggered by something.. a toxic mix of his illness and the fuse was ignited by his faith and the implicit encouragement of others. Including the thinking as some on this forum.

Explain how he would know what any Republican would have to say about PP when he didn't even have electricity in his shack.

If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy to think you are threatened by a deranged idiot and you wish to make it seem more serious by calling him a terrorist, go for it. Free speech and all that.

By the way, if Republican speech was that influential, we would have a Republican president in the White House right now. So why don't you liberals give it a rest and face reality. Not everyone believes in the Obama utopia. There is way more racial violence caused by your president than terrorism caused by Republicans. But, thanks for the vote of confidence.

Next time a teenager shoots up a public school, we'll make sure to make you feel all warm and fuzzy and call him a terrorist, OK?

Have a fine day.

[Guest]

Hey, North Carolinian, wacko, domestic terrorist, Republican - "what difference does it make?"

[Guest]

You are deranged. And you have no clue what the meaning of the word terrorist is. Why am I not surprised. Republicans don't have a clue about a lot of things.

And yet, your president seems to have more difficulty with the term. We now have a real terrorist attack in CA and he is reluctant to say the word. Nope, he is saying, "well we shouldn't be hasty calling it terrorism." And yet, he jumped right on the killing at PP and called it terrorism. What an idiot.

The attack in CA definitely fits the definition of terrorism according to what the news is releasing on the attack.

But, you go ahead and call people names that don't agree with you. Good thing that you aren't face to face with the one you insult, and it nice that you are anonymous so you can be rude in safety.

[Guest]

Hey, North Carolinian, wacko, domestic terrorist, Republican - "what difference does it make?"

Well, at least he isn't registered as a Republican.

[Guest]

Fine, call him a religiously motivated deranged killer who was very likely strongly influenced by comments and representations of the actions of planned parenthood as explained by mainstream Republican politicians and talking heads. Like that better? It was not by accident that this particular PP was targeted. It is not pure coincidence that this happened as the anti PP rhetoric of the GOP reached peak volume. Yes, the man is crazy as is likely every mass killer, but he was triggered by something.. a toxic mix of his illness and the fuse was ignited by his faith and the implicit encouragement of others. Including the thinking as some on this forum.

Thank you for voicing things so eloquently. The encouragement by the far right is what is most troubling to me, and how the Republicans cater to this fringe group.

[Guest]

Thank you for voicing things so eloquently. The encouragement by the far right is what is most troubling to me, and how the Republicans cater to this fringe group.

Sounds to me like you are on your way to fitting Dear's profile. How in the world can you come up with loony statements like that? What Republicans do you know that encourage the mentally impaired wackos? How do we "cater" to this fringe group? You are moving way beyond reason with silly statements like that. You must be listening to some real weird liberal media to come up with crazy comments like that. I won't even try to reason with someone beyond your sanity level. I don't mean to disparage you, but if you truly believe your comment, then you need to do a bit of reading and learning instead of running amok with your crazy thoughts.

[Guest]

Some of the posters here demonstrate they have no ability to converse on any subject without first attempting to categorize ANY subject or person as an R or a D.

This way they can stick to the script and training of the party talking point guidelines.

I wonder how they deal with their antagonis toward others not of their choosing while they sit piously in a church pew.......HYPOCRACY of the highest order.

Maybe some day they will admit that is not the way the world works.
For example how important is it for that R or D filter to be applied to a first responder struggling to save your life?

HYPOCRACY!!!!!

[Guest]

Sounds to me like you are on your way to fitting Dear's profile. How in the world can you come up with loony statements like that? What Republicans do you know that encourage the mentally impaired wackos? How do we "cater" to this fringe group? You are moving way beyond reason with silly statements like that. You must be listening to some real weird liberal media to come up with crazy comments like that. I won't even try to reason with someone beyond your sanity level. I don't mean to disparage you, but if you truly believe your comment, then you need to do a bit of reading and learning instead of running amok with your crazy thoughts.

You don't mean to "disparage" anyone but you call their statements loony, silly, weird and crazy. Listen to yourself.

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You don't mean to "disparage" anyone but you call their statements loony, silly, weird and crazy. Listen to yourself.

But, there was no name calling. Read it again.

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But, there was no name calling. Read it again.

You're right, no name calling just insulting and belittling statements. No difference. Who do you think you're fooling. But pat yourself on the back if it makes you feel better.

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But, there was no name calling. Read it again.

if BS was music you would be a brass band +.

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You're right, no name calling just insulting and belittling statements. No difference. Who do you think you're fooling. But pat yourself on the back if it makes you feel better.

Only liberals get insulted....that is if they get it.

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if BS was music you would be a brass band +.

Thank you. I have been told that I have brass ones. Very astute of you to notice.