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Guest
10-07-2008, 08:41 AM
I don't care whether one is Republican or Democrat...I find this article to be very, very sad. Perhaps they didn't hear the cries in the crowd...but apparently everyone else did. I just listened to the video...questionable...about what was said and Mccain's reaction....not sure I saw a wink.

Video
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_who_is_the_real_barack.php


Article
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/222324.php

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:11 AM
It is sad when a politician sinks to such lows. But you know why that's happening - they're running scared. The polls all show Obama with a lead. They're losing ground in the battleground states. Why else would they have sent Palin, a big name Republican, to The Villages? Because they're so afraid of losing Florida. So they have to pull the smear tactics out, like they did against Kerry, because they're running out of ammunition, and that's the only thing left. Unlike Kerry, however, who shied away from the smear tactics, Obama is giving it right back to them. We're now starting to hear about McCain's association with the Keating Five, etc. Its sad that both parties can't stick to the high road.

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:16 AM
I absolutely agree...but again I couldn't tell what was said...and what really McCain's reaction was....

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:19 AM
McCain can turn this very ugly and I guess he's chosen to do so. I don't believe the American People will stand for it. He's shown himself to be the lowest of the low. I knew eventually his true colors would come out. It's my opinion, he's a disgusting little man who's time has passed. And someone should muzzle that viper Palin. She cutting her own throat and she's too stupid to know it. Name calling! Yes! The Republicans have opened the door for it. So come on it! :swear:

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:20 AM
I absolutely agree...but again I couldn't tell what was said...and what really McCain's reaction was....


You could not tell but you found it necessary to start a thread....hmmmmm !!

While I would not condone any such action IF IT TOOK PLACE, where are you when the smears are on the other side...Gov Palin's family, Sen McCain's flying record, etc. ??? Just curious !

And since you are in a mood to find things appalling and terrible, check out the New York Post where Obama folks are picking people up at drug rehab centers, homeless shelters, etc and taking them to register and vote in one swoop !! Oh, but that is ok...it is the always honest, forthright, upstanding Sen Obama !!!

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:21 AM
It is sad when a politician sinks to such lows. But you know why that's happening - they're running scared. The polls all show Obama with a lead. They're losing ground in the battleground states. Why else would they have sent Palin, a big name Republican, to The Villages? Because they're so afraid of losing Florida. So they have to pull the smear tactics out, like they did against Kerry, because they're running out of ammunition, and that's the only thing left. Unlike Kerry, however, who shied away from the smear tactics, Obama is giving it right back to them. We're now starting to hear about McCain's association with the Keating Five, etc. Its sad that both parties can't stick to the high road.


Anytime anyone wants to talk about the Keating Five, lets do it !!! Read a bit....it was the subject of a congressional investigation....lets apply the same investigation to a few other things...fair enough ?

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:29 AM
On that Keating Five issue....from todays news below so anytime you want to discuss it...lets...

"The irony of the Keating case is that McCain received the mildest ethics committee rebuke of the five senators in 1991, and was kept as a defendant because he was the only Republican. The special counsel in the case had recommended that McCain and one of the Democrats be dropped as defendants. But Democrats, who controlled the Senate, refused to take all the heat for the scandal and all five remained in the case to the end."

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:29 AM
You could not tell but you found it necessary to start a thread....hmmmmm !!

While I would not condone any such action IF IT TOOK PLACE, where are you when the smears are on the other side...Gov Palin's family, Sen McCain's flying record, etc. ??? Just curious !

And since you are in a mood to find things appalling and terrible, check out the New York Post where Obama folks are picking people up at drug rehab centers, homeless shelters, etc and taking them to register and vote in one swoop !! Oh, but that is ok...it is the always honest, forthright, upstanding Sen Obama !!!


Bucco...I was posting this thread because most of America is talking about this..and I figured we at TOTV surely would not want to miss out! I posted it because I was curious to see if anyone on here could hear what the press is saying was said! Isn't that why we post anything on here....to start conversation and get different perspectives. I don't think I said anything offensive to or about anyone...only that I thought it was very sad that they feel the need to start smeering....both sides!!!

I didn't need to post anything about the NYPost because you already did....

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:30 AM
You could not tell but you found it necessary to start a thread....hmmmmm !!

While I would not condone any such action IF IT TOOK PLACE, where are you when the smears are on the other side...Gov Palin's family, Sen McCain's flying record, etc. ??? Just curious !

And since you are in a mood to find things appalling and terrible, check out the New York Post where Obama folks are picking people up at drug rehab centers, homeless shelters, etc and taking them to register and vote in one swoop !! Oh, but that is ok...it is the always honest, forthright, upstanding Sen Obama !!!

Guess Karl Rove doesn't like his form of politics thrown back at him! Remember he coached Bush to use all of these tactics against McCain and then the Dems. Well guess what. They ran into one that won't take it and is smarter at their game then they are. Enough with this swift boat crap.

I say "Go Obama" :a040: He tried to take the highroad, but if he needs to get into the mud with McCain to win. Go for it! We need an intelligent person in power for a change! Change!

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm63/chelsea24_photos/Obama.jpg

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:36 AM
Bucco...I was posting this thread because most of America is talking about this..and I figured we at TOTV surely would not want to miss out! I posted it because I was curious to see if anyone on here could hear what the press is saying was said! Isn't that why we post anything on here....to start conversation and get different perspectives. I don't think I said anything offensive to or about anyone...only that I thought it was very sad that they feel the need to start smeering....both sides!!!

I didn't need to post anything about the NYPost because you already did....


I did not realize that "most of America is talking about this"....thus far found no mention of it in any main stream media, but thats ok....it MAY have happened thus it should be reported !

Since you are going to post this kind of things...looking forward to your postings on the investigation into Sen Obama financials...would love your perspective on that. Or you could go to fatcheck and pick any of the stuff that is not true in his ads and we could discuss that !!!

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:40 AM
Bucco:

Give up on this one. The people you are trying to reason with are unreasonable. Their minds were made up long ago by whatever; MSM, who knows. But Socialism is this man's middle name. Run, don't walk.

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:41 AM
I did not realize that "most of America is talking about this"....thus far found no mention of it in any main stream media, but thats ok....it MAY have happened thus it should be reported !

Since you are going to post this kind of things...looking forward to your postings on the investigation into Sen Obama financials...would love your perspective on that. Or you could go to fatcheck and pick any of the stuff that is not true in his ads and we could discuss that !!!

And I'm looking forward into looking into McCain's Mental Health records. :icon_wink:

You don't really want to talk about untrue ads, do you? :popcorn:

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:43 AM
Bucco:

Give up on this one. The people you are trying to reason with are unreasonable. Their minds were made up long ago by whatever; MSM, who knows. But Socialism is this man's middle name. Run, don't walk.


Actually if you read some of our other postings...not all of us had made up our minds...I read every word Bucco writes and sometimes I agree with him...in fact he knows that there have been many times that I have been on the fence...

MSM?

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:44 AM
And I'm looking forward into looking into McCain's Mental Health records. :icon_wink:

You don't really want to talk about untrue ads, do you? :popcorn:


ABSOLUTELY I DO. I posted here yesterday from fatcheck how straightforward Sen Obama has been...not very, as with any candidate when you check their ads...I would love to go there.

As far as Sen McCains mental health...you seem to keep bringing that up, which is not unexpected from you, but I dont get into the personal stuff and never have said one word on a personal level about Sen Obama or his family thus this is all your area....not going to get involved in it.

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:57 AM
ABSOLUTELY I DO. I posted here yesterday from fatcheck how straightforward Sen Obama has been...not very, as with any candidate when you check their ads...I would love to go there.

As far as Sen McCains mental health...you seem to keep bringing that up, which is not unexpected from you, but I dont get into the personal stuff and never have said one word on a personal level about Sen Obama or his family thus this is all your area....not going to get involved in it.

I'm sorry. Let me get this straight. You don't think the mental health of our next President is an issue! Whew! I really can't think of a bigger issue. This encompasses how he will make all of his judgments!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/1/105054/2416/962/488209

Guest
10-07-2008, 09:58 AM
LOLOL I'm more worried about YOUR mental health Chels. Chill girl.

Guest
10-07-2008, 10:02 AM
LOLOL I'm more worried about YOUR mental health Chels. Chill girl.

awww. How nice of you. I'm worried about you also. Time for you to step into reality. :laugh:

Guest
10-07-2008, 10:14 AM
On that Keating Five issue....from todays news below so anytime you want to discuss it...lets...

"The irony of the Keating case is that McCain received the mildest ethics committee rebuke of the five senators in 1991, and was kept as a defendant because he was the only Republican. The special counsel in the case had recommended that McCain and one of the Democrats be dropped as defendants. But Democrats, who controlled the Senate, refused to take all the heat for the scandal and all five remained in the case to the end."

The fact is McCain went to the meeting and help to keep the regulators off of Keating and Lincoln for 2 extra years. McCain, his wife, kids and baby sitter were treated to a Caribbean vacation by Keating.

So Bucco you didn't mention this U.S. Council for World Freedom

Maybe you should tell us what this is....

Guest
10-07-2008, 12:29 PM
The fact is McCain went to the meeting and help to keep the regulators off of Keating and Lincoln for 2 extra years. McCain, his wife, kids and baby sitter were treated to a Caribbean vacation by Keating.

So Bucco you didn't mention this U.S. Council for World Freedom

Maybe you should tell us what this is....


I responded to that yesterday and if it turns out that Sen McCain was involved in any of the supposed racist activity...then let the chips fall where they may. I would just those who support Sen Obama through all the shadows in his past that link so much together to feel the same.

I am an american before I am a member of either party or a supporter of an individual !

Guest
10-07-2008, 12:31 PM
The fact is McCain went to the meeting and help to keep the regulators off of Keating and Lincoln for 2 extra years. McCain, his wife, kids and baby sitter were treated to a Caribbean vacation by Keating
__________________________________________________ __

YOu totally ignored all I typed and if this still bothers you....this item that was fully investigaged by congress....then I suggest you go and read the transcripts of a FULL investigation !!!! This is ALL a matter of public record, unlike other politicians we know !

Guest
10-07-2008, 01:45 PM
Subject: Interesting.:undecided::shocked::duck:

1. >Obama attempted to defraud Plaintiff and the American people by allowing an altered and forged Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) to be placed on his campaign website. Obama was well aware the Government issued COLB was altered and forged as the original document was in the name of Maya Kasandra Soetoro born in 1970. Maya Kassandra Soetoro Obama's half sister who was born in Indonesia and her birth was later registered in Hawaii. The altered and forged COLB IS still on Obama's website located at 11 ttV:/1my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
2. >Obama further attempted to defraud Plaintiff and the American People by claiming to be a United States Citizen, knowing this information to be false. Obama is well aware when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and took up residency in Indonesia with Obama, they both naturalized in Indonesia expatriating their United States Citizenship. Obama's mother failed to regain her citizenship after her divorce to Lolo Soetoro, when Obama was a minor and Obama himself failed to regain his United States Citizenship by taking the oath of allegiance, which is recorded when he turned eighteen (18) years.
3. >Furthennore, Obama is well aware he is not a United States Citizen and does not qualify as a "natural born" citizen. Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, at which time he was twenty (20) years old and used his Indonesian Passport, not a United States passport.
4. >Moreover, as stated above, Obama was registered in School in Jakarta, Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, born in 1961 in Hawaii and his religion was registered as Islam.
5. >The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is supposed to represent and protect the interests of working Americans, which includes securing a Democratic Nominee on the Presidential Election ballot who represents the Democratic vision and who is qualified and eligible to run for Office of the President under the qualifications of the United States Constitution. The DNC has failed to inquire into Obama's eligibility status.
6. >For the above aforementioned reasons, Obama needs to immediately step down and withdrawal his candidacy for Presidency.

WHEREFORE, Plaintiff respectfully prays that this Court:
>A. Declare that Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham is ineligible to run for United States Office of the President under the United States Constitution, Article II, Section I;
>B. Preliminary and penitently enjoin Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a
>Z:\FORMS\Obama Complaint.doc
Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham from running for United States Office of the President;
C. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant, The Democratic Committee from nominating Defendant Barack

Guest
10-07-2008, 02:19 PM
May I ask where you found this information? So that we may view it as well...

Guest
10-07-2008, 03:16 PM
May I ask where you found this information? So that we may view it as well...


Dont worry Cassie....someone will be here to yell racist and smear :)

I have never seen this but if you read it, it appears to be just a put on, but it will still be called racist and a smear !

Guest
10-07-2008, 03:53 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Bucco

Why post this nonsense? It's not hard to check it out.

When the election is over maybe you should devote all your time to the single gunmen theory in the Warren Report or even better the UFO cover up at Roswell.

Guest
10-07-2008, 04:05 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Bucco

Why post this nonsense? It's not hard to check it out.

When the election is over maybe you should devote all your time to the single gunmen theory in the Warren Report or even better the UFO cover up at Roswell.



PLEASE EXPLAIN what you are talking about ? I posted NOTHING but a comment to Cassie suggesting it was a put on.

Listen, I dont mind criticism but you are getting very quick on the trigger without reading or thinking !

Guest
10-07-2008, 05:13 PM
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Guest
10-07-2008, 06:02 PM
May I ask where you found this information? So that we may view it as well...

It came to me in an email, personally I don't have the time to investigate it as I am not yet retired. It just seemed to fit the conversation so I decided to throw it out there.:undecided: Because with all the stuff being thrown around who knows what is true.

Guest
10-07-2008, 06:07 PM
Subject: Interesting.:undecided::shocked::duck:

1. >Obama attempted to defraud Plaintiff and the American people by allowing an altered and forged Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) to be placed on his campaign website. Obama was well aware the Government issued COLB was altered and forged as the original document was in the name of Maya Kasandra Soetoro born in 1970. Maya Kassandra Soetoro Obama's half sister who was born in Indonesia and her birth was later registered in Hawaii. The altered and forged COLB IS still on Obama's website located at 11 ttV:/1my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
2. >Obama further attempted to defraud Plaintiff and the American People by claiming to be a United States Citizen, knowing this information to be false. Obama is well aware when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and took up residency in Indonesia with Obama, they both naturalized in Indonesia expatriating their United States Citizenship. Obama's mother failed to regain her citizenship after her divorce to Lolo Soetoro, when Obama was a minor and Obama himself failed to regain his United States Citizenship by taking the oath of allegiance, which is recorded when he turned eighteen (18) years.
3. >Furthennore, Obama is well aware he is not a United States Citizen and does not qualify as a "natural born" citizen. Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, at which time he was twenty (20) years old and used his Indonesian Passport, not a United States passport.
4. >Moreover, as stated above, Obama was registered in School in Jakarta, Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, born in 1961 in Hawaii and his religion was registered as Islam.
5. >The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is supposed to represent and protect the interests of working Americans, which includes securing a Democratic Nominee on the Presidential Election ballot who represents the Democratic vision and who is qualified and eligible to run for Office of the President under the qualifications of the United States Constitution. The DNC has failed to inquire into Obama's eligibility status.
6. >For the above aforementioned reasons, Obama needs to immediately step down and withdrawal his candidacy for Presidency.

WHEREFORE, Plaintiff respectfully prays that this Court:
>A. Declare that Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham is ineligible to run for United States Office of the President under the United States Constitution, Article II, Section I;
>B. Preliminary and penitently enjoin Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a
>Z:\FORMS\Obama Complaint.doc
Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham from running for United States Office of the President;
C. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant, The Democratic Committee from nominating Defendant Barack

WOW! This is the biggest load of crap yet! OMG! You really cannot be serious! :1rotfl:

Guest
10-07-2008, 06:09 PM
First of all, my sincere apoligies to Bucco. I must be reading too fast or getting old faster, and not thinking, but heck, it's cocktil hour!! Somehow I attributed that post to him.

So, sincere apolgies to you Bucco!

Diskman's last post speaks for itself.

I'm back to focusing on ESPN!

Guest
10-07-2008, 06:49 PM
It is now being reported that John McCain has a severe gambling addiction, evidenced by his long bouts with the craps tables in Las Vegas. There are reports that convicted GOP lobbyist and Russian-Israeli mob money launderer Jack Abramoff traded favors with McCain and Alabama Governor Bob Riley, who, through election malfeasance, cost Democratic Governor Don Siegelman his governorship in 2002 and then proceeded to engage in a criminal conspiracy to indict and convict Siegelman on trumped up charges.

McCain has also been linked to Russian aluminum tycoon Oleg Deripaska, another member of the Russian Mafia who has been denied an entry visa to the United States. Deripaska, unlike his Russian Jewish comrades, has maintained good links to Putin. Deripaska has also figured prominently as a supplier of aluminum to the European Airbus aircraft frames to be used in the production of the US Air Force tanker plane, a contract pushed hard by McCain and his top campaign advisers, some of whom were lobbyists for Airbus.

Guest
10-08-2008, 06:40 PM
This crap is just about as bad as the tidbit I posted. Politics ugh!:cus: