Why

[CWGUY]

"Clothes lines in the villages are allowed"

:confused: Why was this started in the POLITICAL THREAD..... other than not having to put a name on it?


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[kittygilchrist]

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[graciegirl]

"Clothes lines in the villages are allowed"

:confused: Why was this started in the POLITICAL THREAD..... other than not having to put a name on it?


:024: Admin. or Mod. Please move to correct thread with correct name.

Thank you.



Maybe because how we all feel about Global Warming is often political.


I hope this isn't going to be a clothesline war here in The Villages. I did my share of clotheslines. If you want to hang your clothes, I would guess that doing it on your enclosed lanai would satisfy deed restrictions.


But knowing how we can argue over stuff, that won't be the end of this issue.

[CWGUY]

Messages to the mod are to be sent to the moderator, not posted as a thread.

:police:

[CWGUY]

:wave: As much as I like going back and forth..... I have things to do today.

1st. thing is wash my engine block and hang it out in my front yard in the tree to dry. 6 months might be about right. :jester:

[graciegirl]

:wave: As much as I like going back and forth..... I have things to do today.

1st. thing is wash my engine block and hang it out in my front yard in the tree to dry. 6 months might be about right. :jester:



Go right ahead. Someone is likely to tell Santa. Don't come cryin' to me.

[BogeyBoy]

Florida Statute:
163.04 Energy devices based on renewable resources.—
(1) Notwithstanding any provision of this chapter or other provision of general or special law, the adoption of an ordinance by a governing body, as those terms are defined in this chapter, which prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting the installation of solar collectors, clotheslines, or other energy devices based on renewable resources is expressly prohibited.
(2) A deed restriction, covenant, declaration, or similar binding agreement may not prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting solar collectors, clotheslines, or other energy devices based on renewable resources from being installed on buildings erected on the lots or parcels covered by the deed restriction, covenant, declaration, or binding agreement. A property owner may not be denied permission to install solar collectors or other energy devices by any entity granted the power or right in any deed restriction, covenant, declaration, or similar binding agreement to approve, forbid, control, or direct alteration of property with respect to residential dwellings and within the boundaries of a condominium unit. Such entity may determine the specific location where solar collectors may be installed on the roof within an orientation to the south or within 45° east or west of due south if such determination does not impair the effective operation of the solar collectors.

[luckylilly]

THANK YOU, THANK YOU BOGEY BOY. Can't tell you how many times I've talked to people about these two Florida Statues (pertaining to any/all so called governing bodies that try to convince us that "they" can supersede the law) by telling us we cannot use natural means available to the living world like solar, wind or other renewable sources. We, the people, are not in violation if we use a clothes line to dry clothes or using the sun &/or wind that is free to all.

[Barefoot]

Florida Statute:
163.04 Energy devices based on renewable resources.—
(1) Notwithstanding any provision of this chapter or other provision of general or special law, the adoption of an ordinance by a governing body, as those terms are defined in this chapter, which prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting the installation of solar collectors, clotheslines, or other energy devices based on renewable resources is expressly prohibited.
(2) A deed restriction, covenant, declaration, or similar binding agreement may not prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting solar collectors, clotheslines, or other energy devices based on renewable resources from being installed on buildings erected on the lots or parcels covered by the deed restriction, covenant, declaration, or binding agreement. A property owner may not be denied permission to install solar collectors or other energy devices by any entity granted the power or right in any deed restriction, covenant, declaration, or similar binding agreement to approve, forbid, control, or direct alteration of property with respect to residential dwellings and within the boundaries of a condominium unit. Such entity may determine the specific location where solar collectors may be installed on the roof within an orientation to the south or within 45° east or west of due south if such determination does not impair the effective operation of the solar collectors.
I thought the Florida Statute on lawns/water conservation/how much grass is required -- differs from our deed restriction which requires more grass. Perhaps I'm wrong.

[Bogie Shooter]

I think clothes lines look like crap.............right up there with old sofa's on the front porch.

[graciegirl]

THANK YOU, THANK YOU BOGEY BOY. Can't tell you how many times I've talked to people about these two Florida Statues (pertaining to any/all so called governing bodies that try to convince us that "they" can supersede the law) by telling us we cannot use natural means available to the living world like solar, wind or other renewable sources. We, the people, are not in violation if we use a clothes line to dry clothes or using the sun &/or wind that is free to all.



You may well be right, but there is more. Not everyone thinks that any one thing can change global warming. Many of us were born in an era that taught us to save money, reuse, and recycle. People had work clothes and Sunday clothes and they weren't worn once and washed. My mother made us wear underarm dress shields with our "good" clothes. I laugh at the people who think that a hybrid car is a big part of the answer. If all on the planet don't try...it is useless.


There is no way we will or can slow down manufacturing or the use of engines on this planet.


So hang your clothes while you can reach above your head. I say it is ****ing in the wind.

[outlaw]

Does this mean I can go ahead with my wind turbine and tower?

[graciegirl]

Does this mean I can go ahead with my wind turbine and tower?



As long as it's legal and not in my village.

[BogeyBoy]

Just to be clear, I never said I wanted to see clotheslines in TV. I was just trying to point out that there are some things that The Villages cannot control and with a little fact finding you can clarify some of those issues.

[RickeyD]

I think clothes lines look like crap.............right up there with old sofa's on the front porch.


How bout a brand new Clayton Marcus ?

[CWGUY]

You may well be right, but there is more. Not everyone thinks that any one thing can change global warming. Many of us were born in an era that taught us to save money, reuse, and recycle. People had work clothes and Sunday clothes and they weren't worn once and washed. My mother made us wear underarm dress shields with our "good" clothes. I laugh at the people who think that a hybrid car is a big part of the answer. If all on the planet don't try...it is useless.


There is no way we will or can slow down manufacture or the use of engines on this planet.


So hang your clothes while you can reach above your head. I say it is ****ing in the wind.


:confused: Singing (my guess) If not .....

You're getting a lump of coal for Christmas! :jester:

[rubicon]

Just to be clear, I never said I wanted to see clotheslines in TV. I was just trying to point out that there are some things that The Villages cannot control and with a little fact finding you can clarify some of those issues.

BogeyBoy; Just because you can doesn't mean that you should. My wife uses drying racks and places them in our garage for those items she does not want to place in the dryer. The only one offended is me:D

There are many issues in which I disagree with The Villages but deed compliances is not one of them. I seen the way some residents decorate and/or maintain their carts and thank God The Villages has rules otherwise many of us would be at the mercy of some neighbors , to put it gently and politely, lack of awareness and/or lack of care.

If you check around you will find many people like my wife and me who would have never considered moving to Florida but for The Villages because of their rules. Don't bite the hand that feeds you

Personal Best Regards:

[CWGUY]

BogeyBoy; Just because you can doesn't mean that you should. My wife uses drying racks and places them in our garage for those items she does not want to place in the dryer. The only one offended is me:D

There are many issues in which I disagree with The Villages but deed compliances is not one of them. I seen the way some residents decorate and/or maintain their carts and thank God The Villages has rules otherwise many of us would be at the mercy of some neighbors , to put it gently and politely, lack of awareness and/or lack of care.

If you check around you will find many people like my wife and me who would have never considered moving to Florida but for The Villages because of their rules. Don't bite the hand that feeds you

Personal Best Regards:

Well stated - Thank you. I need to ask Santa for some tact. :wave:

[justjim]

Regarding clotheslines in The Villages: "It is somewhat important that I should not say any foolish things...It very often happens that the only way to help it is to say nothing at all."
Abraham Lincoln

[SouthOfTheBorder]

Most of our age group grew up with using clotheslines as part of our daily lives.

TV clothesline deed restrictions aside (and they may not be enforceable anyway), what is causing this strong aversion to having clotheslines back in use?

Is it just because we don’t like the “looks of them”? Or is it something deeper?

This topic caused me to think more about drying clothes outside and how it would impact me on a daily basis. And that got me to thinking about certain other types of deed restrictions in general.

I am trying to better understand how we have evolved to the point that we can’t live in a neighborhood where seeing clothes on a line in a backyard would cause so much harm to our way of life. I wonder if clotheslines represent a place in our lives that we like to think we have worked hard to get beyond.

I do understand the purpose of deed restrictions in the big picture. I guess I am trying to justify in my mind why what I like or don’t like to SEE should become a legally enforceable item for all of my greater community to live with.

I start to get uneasy when legally enforceable restrictions based on feelings/likes/dislikes become even more pervasive.

Yes, I did read my deed restrictions before purchasing in TV. Yes, I understand maintaining property values, noise restrictions, age restrictions and shared common services. I must admit some of these potential issues seem more real than others.

Thanks
Don

[graciegirl]

Most of our age group grew up with using clotheslines as part of our daily lives.

TV clothesline deed restrictions aside (and they may not be enforceable anyway), what is causing this strong aversion to having clotheslines back in use?

Is it just because we don’t like the “looks of them”? Or is it something deeper?

This topic caused me to think more about drying clothes outside and how it would impact me on a daily basis. And that got me to thinking about certain other types of deed restrictions in general.

I am trying to better understand how we have evolved to the point that we can’t live in a neighborhood where seeing clothes on a line in a backyard would cause so much harm to our way of life. I wonder if clotheslines represent a place in our lives that we like to think we have worked hard to get beyond.

I do understand the purpose of deed restrictions in the big picture. I guess I am trying to justify in my mind why what I like or don’t like to SEE should become a legally enforceable item for all of my greater community to live with.

I start to get uneasy when legally enforceable restrictions based on feelings/likes/dislikes become even more pervasive.

Yes, I did read my deed restrictions before purchasing in TV. Yes, I understand maintaining property values, noise restrictions, age restrictions and shared common services. I must admit some of these potential issues seem more real than others.

Thanks
Don


They wouldn't bother me aesthetically much. I just hate being preached at by the greenies. Not that I don't believe in global warming either. But some focus on some small thing and rant about it. A greenie wanted the pools to be cooled, for instance.

[gomoho]

Not living in The Villages anymore, but I love having and seeing a clothesline. There is no better way to dry your clothes, sheets or towels, but to each his own. I remember my mom hanging clothes in the basement in the winter and I finally hung one in my early 30's and continued to do so every opportunity that presented itself.

[njbchbum]

Not living in The Villages anymore, but I love having and seeing a clothesline. There is no better way to dry your clothes, sheets or towels, but to each his own. I remember my mom hanging clothes in the basement in the winter and I finally hung one in my early 30's and continued to do so every opportunity that presented itself.


Hubs and I were SO disappointed the day our clothesline came down...it was the day AFTER we realized that our allergies were severely impacted by the pollen and other airborne particles that had attached to the sheets, towels, shirts, etc. The drying rack just doesn't give the same effect as the outdoors does!

There was nothing I enjoyed more as a kid than making my bed with sheets that had spent several hours drying outside in the sunshine - back in the days before the allergies set in!

[CFrance]

They wouldn't bother me aesthetically much. I just hate being preached at by the greenies. Not that I don't believe in global warming either. But some focus on some small thing and rant about it. A greenie wanted the pools to be cooled, for instance.
Gracie, I think the so-called "greenies" are just stating their opinion. I don't see it as preaching just as I don't see as preaching your oft-stated opinion that nothing anyone can do individually will make a difference.

Just differences of opinion. I'll keep doing my thing, and you keep doing yours!:)