Watching Granddaughter

[Maddie]

Hey all. I love this forum...it keeps me up to date on everything exciting about this community. I feel like I belong here. I'm not retired, nor near the typical age to retire. I have a lovely wife and a five month old baby daughter.
I moved from Orlando and bought a beautiful townhome in your neighboring community of Lakeside Landings. My wife and I both work in The Villages.

Here goes...I go to work @ 2pm. I drop my daughter off before work at my mothers home, who lives in the villages. My wife picks her up @ 5pm and takes her home. Recently, someone informed on my mother to The Villages that she had a family living with her. That's us. My mother is now being told that we can only visit 30 times/days a year. Having our daughter for those few hours is a violation of The Villages contract.

Ok...My mother is in trouble with The Villages now because "they have logged every visit". Wow. Someone must not like my mother, I thought. I'ts obvious how we all feel about this as a close, loving family. We a devastated. We moved here to enjoy what The Villages has to offer. Now we feel scared. For two years we have enjoyed The Villages and the support it gives our small family. I don't understand why this is a concern. We chose to live no other place but here - so we could nuture our family bonding and live a good life.

I am curious how others feel about this. Surely, The Villagers have had families. I know that some retirees would love to be left to pursue their retirement without their fanily, I guess. I'm sure most would love to have their family nearby.

[redwitch]

I'm so very sorry. Honestly, I'm not even sure what the issue is. You live outside of TV. Your mother gets to spend time with her granddaughter on a daily basis. You get to see your mother on a daily basis. What, pray tell, is wrong with that?

I love kids. I think they're fun to have around. I don't like babies but that's my problem, no one else's. Whether the child visiting grandma on a daily basis is 5 days or 15 years, I really don't care (unless the 15 YO is into breaking into my home or doing something else illegal).

So, here are my opinions: (1) It's none of my business. (2) I think kids are fun and I'd probably offer to help babysit once it was potty trained. (3) Your mother has a very mean neighbor.

[villages07]

Maddie,

Hmm, that is a tough situation. Here's the excerpt from posted deed restrictions:

Persons under the age of 19 years may visit for a maximum of 30 days per year but may not reside permanently in any dwelling.

You are caught in between.... your child isn't really visiting grandma (i.e. staying 24 hrs a day) and certainly isn't a permanent resident. But, they must consider each day's 3 hr stay a visit....probably not a violation of the intent of this provision but does sound like a violation of the letter of "the law". Have you or your mother sat down and spoken with a rep from the community standards/deed compliance office? If your only contact so far is with the Community Watch person, it might be worth it to go to the source. The other option, of course, is for your mother to watch the child at your home in Lakeside Landings.

[captain1202]

Sorry, as far as this issue goes TV can "stuff it". I'm sure the intent is to discourage the full time residence of families with children. If I want to have my grandchild for few hours each day, I will do so, covenant or no. So "sue me"!! Should make an interesting court case!:clap2:

[jflynn1]

I know you are not alone. Am certain that this is happening all over the villages. What about the grandchildren that are here all sumer. That surely is more than 30 days. Also the children and thier parents that are living with the Village resident. I feel sorry for your mom. Her neighbors are not very nice people. Am not sure what she can do about it. Would be interested in the outcome

[Cassie325]

I would think you could go get the baby an "in-area" guest pass...this allows them to use the amenities with the resident 365 days a year....not that the baby is going to use any of the amenities...but she would be "covered"!!!

[The Great Fumar]

SORRY BUT THEMS THE RULES .........YOU SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE WHEN YOU BUY IN HERE THAT YOU WILL ABIDE BY THE BI-LAWS AND YOU HAVEN'T A LEG TO STAND ON IN COURT.........
OH YOU CAN FIGHT IT IN COURT BUT YOU'LL LOSE AND IT WILL COST YOU A TON OF MONEY....YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON ASKED TO LEAVE THE VILLAGES AND WON'T BE THE LAST....
THE POSITION OF THE VILLAGES IS "THIS IS A RETIREMENT COMM UNTIE AND NOT A DAY CARE " .

there is one village here that you can buy into and have all the children you want...but there is obviously someone that doesn't want children playing next to their retirement home ....and I'm not sure I blame them.....they have probably spent their life saving for for a wonderful , peaceful , place to live out their life's and not next to a school playground ....
I know this sounds harsh but thats exactly why those rules are in there ...

Sorry about the toes fumar

[Barefoot]

SORRY BUT THEMS THE RULES .........YOU SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE WHEN YOU BUY IN HERE THAT YOU WILL ABIDE BY THE BI-LAWS AND YOU HAVEN'T A LEG TO STAND ON IN COURT.........
OH YOU CAN FIGHT IT IN COURT BUT YOU'LL LOSE AND IT WILL COST YOU A TON OF MONEY....YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON ASKED TO LEAVE THE VILLAGES AND WON'T BE THE LAST....
THE POSITION OF THE VILLAGES IS "THIS IS A RETIREMENT COMM UNTIE AND NOT A DAY CARE " .

there is one village here that you can buy into and have all the children you want...but there is obviously someone that doesn't want children playing next to their retirement home ....and I'm not sure I blame them.....they have probably spent their life saving for for a wonderful , peaceful , place to live out their life's and not next to a school playground ....
I know this sounds harsh but thats exactly why those rules are in there ...

Sorry about the toes fumar

:popcorn: So it goes back and forth.

[graciegirl]

Got some more popcorn Bare? And I sure could use a Martini too. I feel like I have been to a war.
:popcorn:

[starflyte1]

I am sorry you are having this problem. Any problem with neighbors does not make life very pleasant.

What is the definition of "day"? Until that is determined, if it can ever be, there is no answer to the problem.

The Merriam-Webster online dictionary defines "day" as both time from night to night and 24 hours from midnight.

It seems to me the real problem is with how the rule is written. Chose the definition you need.

Good luck. Sometimes it is better to move rather than fight. Just one neighbor can make you miserable. We moved from a condo because of the condo commando. We lost $30,000, but we agree that it was the best lost $30,000 ever.

[GMONEY]

WOW,, what a conflict.

[graciegirl]

WOW,, what a conflict.

:agree::agree:I so agree Starflyte. You can complain and carry on and point out rules, but it never, never changes anything. I would move too. It isn't worth the angst.

I have one eye open and haven't had my coffee yet. I was thinking I was replying to Starflyte. I am sorry Gmoney. I am paranoid anymore.

[Barefoot]

I moved from Orlando and bought a beautiful townhome in your neighboring community of Lakeside Landings. My wife and I both work in The Villages.
We moved here to enjoy what The Villages has to offer.

This particular issue has been discussed many times and always becomes very emotional. It reminds me of the "three-pet" controversary.

The Villages is an adult community and many residents don't want children around on a daily basis. Others residents feel strongly that they are entitled to spend as much time as they want with visiting grandchildren. I don't think there is an answer that will satisfy both "sides".

Just a suggestion. If you moved to the "family" subdivision in Buffalo Ridge adjacent to TV, your mother could day care there with no problems. As Starflyte said, sometimes it is better to move rather than to fight.

[Maddie]

My mother has met with TV about this and of course they can stand by the deed restriction. She swears that when they bought here they were not correctly explained this restriction but that's realestate sales people for you! All a bunch of crooks. I know it's their responsibility to read carefully but we all know how things can be "left out" in order to make a sale.
I had thought living around TV would have been so much better. But now I see an area with no jobs that is being run by a bunch of jerks. If TV is going to keep growing you need younger people to be here to do the work. I hear you all complaining that their isn't good service or any good manangers aound here. Well why would those talented young people come here? The school system is a attraction but what about everything else?

my mother survived cancer twice and no one is going to tell her how many times she can see her grandchild!

I know a lot of people out their that could be in the same boat at any time because you always have grandchildren visiting. All it takes is one miserable neighbor to ruin everything.

For all those that say...Oh that's the rules....give me a break!

[villager99]

i'm confused,
my young grandchildren temporaryily lived near orlando for a year back in 2006 and when i specifically asked the rec center guest pass staff if i needed to keep track of how many days they visited me in tv and used guest passes with me or their parents i was told there were no restrictions on the number of days they could visit. as long as they didn't "reside" here
so rules are apparently open to iinterpretation and/or change over time or in individual situations. i would seriously guestion if a 3 hour a day visit violates the deed restrictions.

[Village Kid 2]

If folks want to nitpick, you can say your daughter is staying 30 days, 3 hours at a time.

A day is 24 hours. 30 days is 720 hours. It would take 240 days at 3 hours a day or 48 weeks of 5 days a week to use the allowed time.

Hmmm, that just might cover it.

But who's counting, VK2

(p.s. Are we really that concerned what goes on inside other people's homes?)

[Sydney]

Let�s see, if my neighbor has 5 grandchildren of various ages. Parents of 3 are in their late twenties and the parents of the other 2 are in their mid thirties and they moved to the area so they could enjoy all the benefits The Villages had to offer and of course to be near Mom and Dad.

Grandma and Grandpa watch two of the children everyday from 8am till 5pm while their parents are at work. The other three grandchildren are in school, they are at Grandma and Grandpa�s from 3pm till 6pm while their parents work.

They really enjoy The Villages, riding their bikes and skateboards up and down the streets, playing ball outside in Grandma and Grandpa�s yard and of course in my yard too, since there are no fences and they don�t know where one yard ends and the other begins.

The kids and grandkids also love spending time at the pools and other recreational facilities.

What a deal! They get to enjoy all the amenities and lifestyle, for the single amenity fee paid by Grandma and Grandpa.

What happened to my Retirement Community?
:sad::cus::rant-rave::swear:

[gnu]

SORRY BUT THEMS THE RULES .........YOU SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE WHEN YOU BUY IN HERE THAT YOU WILL ABIDE BY THE BI-LAWS AND YOU HAVEN'T A LEG TO STAND ON IN COURT.........
OH YOU CAN FIGHT IT IN COURT BUT YOU'LL LOSE AND IT WILL COST YOU A TON OF MONEY....YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON ASKED TO LEAVE THE VILLAGES AND WON'T BE THE LAST....
THE POSITION OF THE VILLAGES IS "THIS IS A RETIREMENT COMM UNTIE AND NOT A DAY CARE " .

there is one village here that you can buy into and have all the children you want...but there is obviously someone that doesn't want children playing next to their retirement home ....and I'm not sure I blame them.....they have probably spent their life saving for for a wonderful , peaceful , place to live out their life's and not next to a school playground ....
I know this sounds harsh but thats exactly why those rules are in there ...

Sorry about the toes fumar

Fumar:agree: The whole point of a 55+ community is to not have children around us every day. I LOVE my granddaughter, but wouldn't think of having her around every day, or feel that my neighbors who bought into the over 55 lifestyle should have my granddaughter impose on their rights.

Some humans forget that "Their Rights end at the end of their noses" and anything beyond that distance affects "someone else's rights."

I'm not going to worry about stepping on someones toes if their actions invade my rights.

[Cassie325]

I think there is a VERY easy answer to this...Lakeside Landing is a beautiful community and has their own amenities. You made a good choice for your family. It is right across the street from TV's....you may come visit your mom at anytime as anyone is allowed to visit. I am sure you can easily prove that you are NOT living in TV's....but just visiting....you can see Mom daily.

However, for the sake of keeping peace....and actually for the comfort of the baby...wouldn't it be easier for Grandma to come to your place...all of her things are their....and it is only for a couple of hours each day....

My experience with kids in TV's has been very mixed...we stay at our non-villages place MOST of the time because there is a level of respect we need to keep for the folks that have bought here and there are rules....some people don't mind at all and in fact don't even know when we are at TV's home....our daughter doesn't really make a lot of noise...perhaps a baby does...but really I can't imagine that is the case....we have made it work and our neighbors ALL know our situation....we have been very honest and open with those we needed to....

Tha hard part is that there are many new communities outside of TV's that are advertising to families to come live close to Grandma and GRandpa...which is wonderful....my parents just bought here so they could be close to us....but what good does it do if we can't spend time with them.

This is a VERY hard issue....there are many young seniors moving here that want those grandbabies moving close....they want to see them as often as possible...

I would imagine that the "30 day" rule would mean a 24 hour period...playing and sleeping over and visiting from out of town....we also have a in-area guest passes that allow family to visit 365 days a year....an infant would not need a guest pass but may need one to "cover"

This again is a hard issue....what is the most important thing to fight for....grandma babysitting three hours a day....for free...because she wants to OR fighting with all the other residents in the neighborhood....

I hate to say it....but it seems simple to me....give Grandma some money each week for gas....or get a street legal cart....easy enough....

Sorry to not really be on your side...just think at some point we need ot try to make it work for everyone!!!!

Sorry to be so long winded...this happens sometimes with me!

[ejp52]

SORRY BUT THEMS THE RULES .........YOU SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE WHEN YOU BUY IN HERE THAT YOU WILL ABIDE BY THE BI-LAWS AND YOU HAVEN'T A LEG TO STAND ON IN COURT.........
OH YOU CAN FIGHT IT IN COURT BUT YOU'LL LOSE AND IT WILL COST YOU A TON OF MONEY....YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON ASKED TO LEAVE THE VILLAGES AND WON'T BE THE LAST....
THE POSITION OF THE VILLAGES IS "THIS IS A RETIREMENT COMM UNTIE AND NOT A DAY CARE " .

there is one village here that you can buy into and have all the children you want...but there is obviously someone that doesn't want children playing next to their retirement home ....and I'm not sure I blame them.....they have probably spent their life saving for for a wonderful , peaceful , place to live out their life's and not next to a school playground ....
I know this sounds harsh but thats exactly why those rules are in there ...

Sorry about the toes fumar
:agree:

[ejp52]

I think there is a VERY easy answer to this...Lakeside Landing is a beautiful community and has their own amenities. You made a good choice for your family. It is right across the street from TV's....you may come visit your mom at anytime as anyone is allowed to visit. I am sure you can easily prove that you are NOT living in TV's....but just visiting....you can see Mom daily.

However, for the sake of keeping peace....and actually for the comfort of the baby...wouldn't it be easier for Grandma to come to your place...all of her things are their....and it is only for a couple of hours each day....

My experience with kids in TV's has been very mixed...we stay at our non-villages place MOST of the time because there is a level of respect we need to keep for the folks that have bought here and there are rules....some people don't mind at all and in fact don't even know when we are at TV's home....our daughter doesn't really make a lot of noise...perhaps a baby does...but really I can't imagine that is the case....we have made it work and our neighbors ALL know our situation....we have been very honest and open with those we needed to....

Tha hard part is that there are many new communities outside of TV's that are advertising to families to come live close to Grandma and GRandpa...which is wonderful....my parents just bought here so they could be close to us....but what good does it do if we can't spend time with them.

This is a VERY hard issue....there are many young seniors moving here that want those grandbabies moving close....they want to see them as often as possible...

I would imagine that the "30 day" rule would mean a 24 hour period...playing and sleeping over and visiting from out of town....we also have a in-area guest passes that allow family to visit 365 days a year....an infant would not need a guest pass but may need one to "cover"

This again is a hard issue....what is the most important thing to fight for....grandma babysitting three hours a day....for free...because she wants to OR fighting with all the other residents in the neighborhood....

I hate to say it....but it seems simple to me....give Grandma some money each week for gas....or get a street legal cart....easy enough....

Sorry to not really be on your side...just think at some point we need ot try to make it work for everyone!!!!

Sorry to be so long winded...this happens sometimes with me!
Very well put.

[ouma1938]

My mother has met with TV about this and of course they can stand by the deed restriction. She swears that when they bought here they were not correctly explained this restriction but that's realestate sales people for you! All a bunch of crooks. I know it's their responsibility to read carefully but we all know how things can be "left out" in order to make a sale.
I had thought living around TV would have been so much better. But now I see an area with no jobs that is being run by a bunch of jerks. If TV is going to keep growing you need younger people to be here to do the work. I hear you all complaining that their isn't good service or any good manangers aound here. Well why would those talented young people come here? The school system is a attraction but what about everything else?

my mother survived cancer twice and no one is going to tell her how many times she can see her grandchild!

I know a lot of people out their that could be in the same boat at any time because you always have grandchildren visiting. All it takes is one miserable neighbor to ruin everything.

For all those that say...Oh that's the rules....give me a break!

I don't want to stir the pot but feel obliged to comment on the remark above, "real estate people are all a bunch of crooks". I am a real estate person and I spend a great deal of time working with and helping people find their perfect home, seeing that their needs are taken care of, and making buying or selling their home a less stressful, happier experience. I am not a crook and I am proud of what I do to help my buyers and sellers. As I said, I don't want to start a storm here, and I am generally a very benign non-controversial poster but had defend my profession and the many many honest, decent, and caring agents I know.

[Halle]

Ouma,

I agree with you. I was a Realtor in Florida, and I am neither a crook or a liar.

Why is it always someone else's fault that an individual did not understand the rules and didn't read the Covenants. Of the thousands of people that bought in TV the majority abide by and understand the Covenants. That is what makes The Villages such a wonderul place to live.


:agree::agree::agree::agree:

[DDoug]

I have to agree what is the big deal.What gets me is residents can have up to 8 adults and 12 young childens with guest passes at one time and even have one year passes for all those people and none of them pay any fee. I had my brother in law stop by was going to go shoot pool with him and told no ID no entry. He lives in the tricounty area and he can't get one yet the people with the year pass can live in the area.If 1000 residents had 20 passes out for the year that would be 20000 extra people using the amenities we as residents pay for.I guess one little kid for three hours really isn't all that big a deal. After all the child is not spending the night and if it is under a certain gae no ID pass is required. Just forget it and let it. I now go elswhere and play pool. Tell the people next to your mother to go (well you know)

[Barefoot]

That's real estate sales people for you! All a bunch of crooks.

Wow, what a sweeping generalization! And very demeaning.

I agree with Halle and Ouma. As a former realtor I am neither a liar or a crook. And I always had the best interests of my clients at heart.

[Cassie325]

Very well put.



Thanks EJP!!! All true and from the heart....I should have mentioned the real estate comment too...Maddie....we have met and you seem to be a nice guy....but I know this broke your heart...and your mom's I am sure! Sometimes when we get really mad we tend to balme others....or other circumstances...hard not too....but my best guess is...only from experience....that when someone is buying a home here in TV's....they are on cloud nine...the agent could say anything...we don't always hear it....

I know your family loves it here...breathe...think again about different ways to make this work....I know it is do-able....it's worth it in the long run....for everyone....baby, Grandma...you and your wife....

3 hours a day....very do-able....very worth it!!!

Love to your family....

[beady]

I do not see the violation here.

Let me get this straight...someone has reported your mother because she is taking care of your infant daughter in her house for 3 hours a day during the work week. How is that a violation...she isn't living there, she doesn't use the amenities?????

Someone has nothing better to think about in that neighborhood.

[SteveZ]

I have to admit that if my neighbor turned their house into the family day care center and that I was expected to "enjoy" the fact that their grandkids were now playing all the time on my property or out in front of my house, my first question would be to myself - why did I move into a 55+ community if it meant I had to dodge kids all time?

Yeah, that can sound heartless and insensitive. I have grandchildren, too. I just don't want to be their babysitter. They are their parents' responsibility - not mine nor my neighbors.

I accept the fact that I just don't have the stamina to deal with kids the way I did when I was in my 20's, 30's and 40's. If that makes me a demon to some, so be it.

As neighbors we have to tolerate each other, and that's a good thing. However, when it means that I have to tolerate someone's grandkids day-in-and-day-out until they grow up or their parents hit the lottery, that's a tough one. They may be someone's your pride and joy, but that feeling may not be universal.

Helping the kids out on the short is one thing, and neighbors can handle that. Turning the neighborhood into DayCareWorld is another. If half the people on a street did that, the resale business would be quite brisk.

Yes, there are covenants, and we all are responsible to read them and understand them before we sign the paper. That's OUR responsibility, not the broker who coordinated the sale. If folks don't understand what they're signing, they should get a lawyer, and if they don't want to spend the money for one, that too is their problem.

Yeah, it "may take a village" to some to raise kids, but I'm hoping that doesn't include the village where I reside in TV.

[The Great Fumar]

This is a retirement community......people pay high prices for homes to retire at the villages...they could have gone to 100's of other retirement villages but they chose to pay more and live here ....Now why do you suppose they did that ..........Its because of the Rules here that are made to protect peoples investment.....If I had the problem of kids everyday at the neighbors yelling and screaming playing in the street and yards , I would sue someone to stop it . I signed the rules to buy here. In return the villages had to agree that the rules would be rigorously enforced ....Many families have been forced to move from here under threat of legal action......
And don't try to push the envelope, Thirty days means thirty days , they are calendar days whether your here 24 hours or 24 minutes.....
Abide by the rules and this will remain a wonderful place , If rules are allowed to be broken then this place will be no different than any other community in Florida And the Bulk of us will have to look for somewhere else.

evil eye fumar

[beady]

Fumar and SteveZ

I agree I do not want a daycare next door or children running around the neighborhood all the time.However, I do enjoy hearing little voices when the neighbors and my grandkids visit from time to time.

But one infant inside someones home...please who is that disturbing...what amenities is it using.No doubt less annoying than the people who walk their dog on others lawns. When the child is out of infancy and more independent then the parents will have to make other arrangements.

[punkpup]

Well, I know this is a touchy subject but from my perspective if I wanted to live in a multi generational environment then I'd stay where I am. Don't get me wrong, I love our neighborhood. It is made up of a some middle aged singles, young families and octogenarians. All lovely folks. All will be welcome in our home in TV. But when I purchase my last home I prefer it to be in community of 55+ folks.

[Maddie]

Let’s see, if my neighbor has 5 grandchildren of various ages. Parents of 3 are in their late twenties and the parents of the other 2 are in their mid thirties and they moved to the area so they could enjoy all the benefits The Villages had to offer and of course to be near Mom and Dad.

Grandma and Grandpa watch two of the children everyday from 8am till 5pm while their parents are at work. The other three grandchildren are in school, they are at Grandma and Grandpa’s from 3pm till 6pm while their parents work.

What a deal! They get to enjoy all the amenities and lifestyle, for the single amenity fee paid by Grandma and Grandpa.

What happened to my Retirement Community?


Holy cow Sydney...do you know how ridiculous you sound? Stop adding to the facts I've shared. It is absurd you think that the forum members would follow that ridiculous math. Look, this forum is for communicating and generating ideas - not for illogical statistics. Come on Sydney, your second (2nd!!) post on this forum cant be like that. Get to know your neighbors. These are people that have "been there and done that'. Otherwise, point taken...I know this is a retirement community...that's why i have my family nearby...

[Maddie]

I do not see the violation here.

Let me get this straight...someone has reported your mother because she is taking care of your infant daughter in her house for 3 hours a day during the work week. How is that a violation...she isn't living there, she doesn't use the amenities?????

Thanks Beadie. I appreciate this. My daughter is almost 6 months old. We are doing the best we can. We schedule our life around work and family. We are financially sound-minded and like others, are caught up in desparate financial times. I invite anyone to meet with us and produce the judgement that we abusing The Villages community. My strength is my family, and I believe in it.

Fumar and SteveZ...come on...why must you build this up more than what it is. Please read my post carefully. I am talking 3 days a week, for awhile until I can put my 6 month old daughter in daycare. Just a little longer. Please understand the infrastructure that holds The Villages together, is slowly building. Almost there...Sorry salespeople are not bad at all, please accept my apologies. i misspoke.

[graciegirl]

Well, I know this is a touchy subject but from my perspective if I wanted to live in a multi generational environment then I'd stay where I am. Don't get me wrong, I love our neighborhood. It is made up of a some middle aged singles, young families and octogenarians. All lovely folks. All will be welcome in our home in TV. But when I purchase my last home I prefer it to be in community of 55+ folks.

I think that is the reason most folks chose TV Punky. I agree.:agree:

It certainly isn't that children annoy me, just the opposite, I adore them and feel protective of them, and sometimes ONLY if their parents aren't watching them carefully then that is stressful. I just love the relaxed feeling of being among my age peers.

[MelZ]

Maddie:

I am curious why you never responded when asked why your Mom couldn't watch your child at your home. BTW I am still up North and we are watching my grandson today.

[SteveZ]

I do not see the violation here.
[I]Fumar and SteveZ...come on...why must you build this up more than what it is. Please read my post carefully. I am talking 3 days a week, for awhile until I can put my 6 month old daughter in daycare. Just a little longer. Please understand the infrastructure that holds The Villages together, is slowly building. Almost there...Sorry salespeople are not bad at all, please accept my apologies. i misspoke.

Again, this may seem insensitive and inconsiderate to you, but the financial problems of my children should not be that of my neighbors.

These same covenants that limit stays of visitors control many facets of life within TV. There are many I'm not too pleased with, and they do impact what I bought, where I bought it, and if I would buy at all. I'm stuck with them just as much as your mother, and don't expect that they should be ignored because I'm unique. It's my job to adapt, not the community's to adapt to my idiosyncracies or personal issues.

Concessions work both ways. Another poster suggested the transporting of your mother to your house instead of uprooting the child. Perhaps the additional round-trip is inconvenient, but it does appear to alleviate the covenant problem.

Now if it seems we're just a bunch of stuffy old fossils who don't care, That too is shortsighted. We old fossils have worked our entire lives, put up with as many if not more "inconveniences" as the young families of today and managed to get our kids to the point where they were supposed to be independent of us (finally!) so we could get a break from being constantly responsible for them until the day we drop dead. After almost 5 decades of pulling the plow so that my kids had a leg up, I expect them to take care of their basic life issues, catastrophic situation being the exception.

We have a community with certain restrictions for residency so that we all can enjoy what we've got left. We all knew the restrictions when we bought and accepted them as such. Should conditions change where we cannot fulfill our end of the bargain, then it's time we leave TV for other digs. That's the deal, regardless of what anyones kids (mine included) need on the short-or-long term.

[graciegirl]

SoAgain, this may seem insensitive and inconsiderate to you, but the financial problems of my children should not be that of my neighbors.

These same covenants that limit stays of visitors control many facets of life within TV. There are many I'm not too pleased with, and they do impact what I bought, where I bought it, and if I would buy at all. I'm stuck with them just as much as your mother, and don't expect that they should be ignored because I'm unique. It's my job to adapt, not the community's to adapt to my idiosyncracies or personal issues.

Concessions work both ways. Another poster suggested the transporting of your mother to your house instead of uprooting the child. Perhaps the additional round-trip is inconvenient, but it does appear to alleviate the covenant problem.

Now if it seems we're just a bunch of stuffy old fossils who don't care, That too is shortsighted. We old fossils have worked our entire lives, put up with as many if not more "inconveniences" as the young families of today and managed to get our kids to the point where they were supposed to be independent of us (finally!) so we could get a break from being constantly responsible for them until the day we drop dead. After almost 5 decades of pulling the plow so that my kids had a leg up, I expect them to take care of their basic life issues, catastrophic situation being the exception.

We have a community with certain restrictions for residency so that we all can enjoy what we've got left. We all knew the restrictions when we bought and accepted them as such. Should conditions change where we cannot fulfill our end of the bargain, then it's time we leave TV for other digs. That's the deal, regardless of what anyones kids (mine included) need on the short-or-long term.

Sounds right to me.

Sweetie and I would love it if you would live next door to us. You sound like such a good person.

[diskman]

Fumar and SteveZ

I agree I do not want a daycare next door or children running around the neighborhood all the time.However, I do enjoy hearing little voices when the neighbors and my grandkids visit from time to time.

But one infant inside someones home...please who is that disturbing...what amenities is it using.No doubt less annoying than the people who walk their dog on others lawns. When the child is out of infancy and more independent then the parents will have to make other arrangements.

I am with you on this, I can not believe this thread. I wish i knew just what the real story is with this person's neighbors. Probably someone who can't see their grandkids and doesn't want anyone else to either!:cus:

[Sydney]

[I]Holy cow Sydney...do you know how ridiculous you sound? Stop adding to the facts I've shared. It is absurd you think that the forum members would follow that ridiculous math. Look, this forum is for communicating and generating ideas - not for illogical statistics. Come on Sydney, your second (2nd!!) post on this forum cant be like that. Get to know your neighbors. These are people that have "been there and done that'. Otherwise, point taken...I know this is a retirement community...that's why i have my family nearby...


Well Maddie, I have owned a home in The Villages since 2007, and do feel this could affect me in the future. As stated by you, the forum is for �communicating and generating ideas� which is exactly what I was doing and the number of posts I have is irrelevant. Additionally, I am one of �these� people and have �been there and done that�. You were also asked why you never responded when asked why your Mom couldn't watch your child at your home. :(:cus:

[gnu]

As I sit here, my 4 1/2 year old granddaughter is down stairs coloring and watching cartoons. There are five young teens playing catch out in the street. I don't mind them being there at all and there are no rules in our 200 unit condo community to stop them. BUT!:cus: when I move to the Villages it is because the covenants are in place so that I DON'T have to have the kids around me all the time! That's the whole reason for over 55 communities! If I felt that the rules would not be enforced there wouldn't be a reason to move to TV, I could just stay here.

[SABRMnLgs]

Yeah... I agree, you surely can't have that 5 month old messing with our "amenities". She might want to play golf or take a course in line dancing.
When she gets to be a few months older she may run for a villages office. Sounds like a few her age are running it now! Get over it you snoops and MYOB.
Kind of reminds me of an old tune "The Shady Lady of Shady Lane"!!
Oh and by the way, these "rights" everyone keeps yammering about? Your "rights" stop at my front door. They then become my "rights".

:coolsmiley:

[captain1202]

Amen!

[beady]

From my first comment that was exactly my point....a 6 month old temporarily staying with her grandmother...not a problem.

[Cassie325]

Yeah... I agree, you surely can't have that 5 month old messing with our "amenities". She might want to play golf or take a course in line dancing.
When she gets to be a few months older she may run for a villages office. Sounds like a few her age are running it now! Get over it you snoops and MYOB.
Kind of reminds me of an old tune "The Shady Lady of Shady Lane"!!
Oh and by the way, these "rights" everyone keeps yammering about? Your "rights" stop at my front door. They then become my "rights".

:coolsmiley:


:1rotfl::MOJE_whot:

I love this post!!! You have a great sense of humor....I know everyone has different opinions on the topic and that is great...atleast you are keeping it humorous...IMHO

[gnu]

Yeah... I agree, you surely can't have that 5 month old messing with our "amenities". She might want to play golf or take a course in line dancing.
When she gets to be a few months older she may run for a villages office. Sounds like a few her age are running it now! Get over it you snoops and MYOB.
Kind of reminds me of an old tune "The Shady Lady of Shady Lane"!!
Oh and by the way, these "rights" everyone keeps yammering about? Your "rights" stop at my front door. They then become my "rights".

:coolsmiley:

I love how that how when people are breaking the "rules that that they signed up for when buying in the Villages" they start talking like school kids, being sarcastic in their remarks. Love the "Oh buy the way" and Yammering":1rotfl:

I made no mention of "amenities", only the rules that you seem to disdain when they are not to your liking. You agreed to them, now abide to them.

In child speak, You don't play by the rules.

I don't care what you do behind your doors. The fact is that you agreed, when you bought at TV, to give up some of what you feel are your rights in order to live in the TV Community. Live up to you responsibilities or consider whether you belong in a community that restricts children visiting.

[beady]

If as you say ...."I don't care what you do behind your doors" then we are not in disagreement. The infant child in question is inside the grandmothers doors so she isn't a problem.

Rules are made and contracts signed to establish a 55+ community. I signed the rules but I am open to making exceptions if the need be and the overall impact is going to be very minimal. That is the case here. Sometimes rules can be broken and exceptions made.

Once again the child is here only about 9 hours a week, until a day care situation can be found..sometimes waiting lists are long. Nothing about this infant child being cared for here temporarily will impact our lifestyle or the rules we agreed to in order to live in TV.:shrug:

[Cassie325]

I would also guess that Day Cares Centers in this immediate area are few and far between....as children and young families are really just arriving to this area. I know there has been some family areas but not a lot to speak of...

NOW there are many different family communities popping up all over the out skirts of TV's....therefor more children....and ofcourse a greater need for day care...and they have not arrived yet....

Hold on to your seats though...I am sure they are right around the corner!!!

When Beady says the waiting lists are long...my guess is they are VERY long here!

[SteveZ]

I would also guess that Day Cares Centers in this immediate area are few and far between....as children and young families are really just arriving to this area. I know there has been some family areas but not a lot to speak of...

NOW there are many different family communities popping up all over the out skirts of TV's....therefor more children....and ofcourse a greater need for day care...and they have not arrived yet....

Hold on to your seats though...I am sure they are right around the corner!!!

When Beady says the waiting lists are long...my guess is they are VERY long here!
Waiting lists are long....so what!

The issue is not whether there is a person day-caring a child, but whether the covenants really mean anything now and downstream. What other covenants are okay to ignore because of the "its only...." attitude? Who decides which are the appropriate "exceptions," or if there should be any at all?

We have an Architectural Control Committee as part of the covenants. We all knew about that group as well. Perhaps we should just ignore them out of artistic license.....

We have noise abatement at 10PM. Oh, well.... that's a little too old fogey, especially if we REALLY have a reason to party, or I'm very hard of hearing and I need my TV loud along with the windows wide open, so let's toss that out when we feel like it as well.....

We have a 2-pet limit per dwelling. But I REALLY love all of my 5 cats, or my 4 dogs are really small, so perhaps that covenant should be given a blind eye, too. After all, my pets are just as important to me.....

And those poor people two houses down the street. Their daughter just got divorced and has nowhere to go with her two kids. They are willing to drive the kids to school (for now), so until she can get "back on her feet, " and that should only take until the school year is over (we hope!), so they too should be the exception....

Amenities access is a great stick, but it beats wrong. "Amenities" is more than clubhouses, it does include lifestyle.

Muliply all of the above instances by 500 or more - because the exceptions have now become the rule - and you no longer have TV, but instead have Dorchester, or Brooklyn, or Oviedo, or Warwick, or Squirrel Hill, or Arlington, or a whole host of comparable cities.

This is not about being hearltless, but more about being a good neighbor - and that's your neighbor following the same rules as are expected of you and the other 30,000 households within TV.

This isn't just a case of a 6-month-old staying 3 days a week until a day care is found. It's also downstream as the child who is sick and can't go to day care later who now needs a dropping-off place, followed by the next child which wasn't expected, followed by the next reason. The two-income family can't seem to survive without grandparents to bail them out of overcommitment and kid-needs, and TV is a retirement community, not a child-rearing village.

Again, what's the next exception going to be, and how many thousand of them, because we can't be discriminatory on who is excused.......

Good neighbors look for all the alternatives before ever expecting others to ignore the rules, even if those alternatives cost a few bucks more or are inconvenient.

[Cassie325]

Steve...thank you for your thoughts in regards to this...but I think that perhaps you misunderstood me or my post....I was simply writing that this is new for this area...all of these children and grand children living right next door...and I was writing that I figured the day cares were coming....I know that there have always been some here...but that there are much more c here now....and much more coming.

I think that if you were to go back and read my other posts on this thread...that I offered suggestions of making it work...without breaking any rules....

I am sorry if you thought I was in agreement with this...

Thanks for listening...

Maria

[Sydney]

Waiting lists are long....so what!

The issue is not whether there is a person day-caring a child, but whether the covenants really mean anything now and downstream. What other covenants are okay to ignore because of the "its only...." attitude? Who decides which are the appropriate "exceptions," or if there should be any at all?

We have an Architectural Control Committee as part of the covenants. We all knew about that group as well. Perhaps we should just ignore them out of artistic license.....

We have noise abatement at 10PM. Oh, well.... that's a little too old fogey, especially if we REALLY have a reason to party, or I'm very hard of hearing and I need my TV loud along with the windows wide open, so let's toss that out when we feel like it as well.....

We have a 2-pet limit per dwelling. But I REALLY love all of my 5 cats, or my 4 dogs are really small, so perhaps that covenant should be given a blind eye, too. After all, my pets are just as important to me.....

And those poor people two houses down the street. Their daughter just got divorced and has nowhere to go with her two kids. They are willing to drive the kids to school (for now), so until she can get "back on her feet, " and that should only take until the school year is over (we hope!), so they too should be the exception....

Amenities access is a great stick, but it beats wrong. "Amenities" is more than clubhouses, it does include lifestyle.

Muliply all of the above instances by 500 or more - because the exceptions have now become the rule - and you no longer have TV, but instead have Dorchester, or Brooklyn, or Oviedo, or Warwick, or Squirrel Hill, or Arlington, or a whole host of comparable cities.

This is not about being hearltless, but more about being a good neighbor - and that's your neighbor following the same rules as are expected of you and the other 30,000 households within TV.

This isn't just a case of a 6-month-old staying 3 days a week until a day care is found. It's also downstream as the child who is sick and can't go to day care later who now needs a dropping-off place, followed by the next child which wasn't expected, followed by the next reason. The two-income family can't seem to survive without grandparents to bail them out of overcommitment and kid-needs, and TV is a retirement community, not a child-rearing village.

Again, what's the next exception going to be, and how many thousand of them, because we can't be discriminatory on who is excused.......

Good neighbors look for all the alternatives before ever expecting others to ignore the rules, even if those alternatives cost a few bucks more or are inconvenient.

:agree::agree::agree::agree:
This is the point I was making! Where does it end?

[gnu]

Waiting lists are long....so what!

The issue is not whether there is a person day-caring a child, but whether the covenants really mean anything now and downstream. What other covenants are okay to ignore because of the "its only...." attitude? Who decides which are the appropriate "exceptions," or if there should be any at all?

We have an Architectural Control Committee as part of the covenants. We all knew about that group as well. Perhaps we should just ignore them out of artistic license.....

We have noise abatement at 10PM. Oh, well.... that's a little too old fogey, especially if we REALLY have a reason to party, or I'm very hard of hearing and I need my TV loud along with the windows wide open, so let's toss that out when we feel like it as well.....

We have a 2-pet limit per dwelling. But I REALLY love all of my 5 cats, or my 4 dogs are really small, so perhaps that covenant should be given a blind eye, too. After all, my pets are just as important to me.....

And those poor people two houses down the street. Their daughter just got divorced and has nowhere to go with her two kids. They are willing to drive the kids to school (for now), so until she can get "back on her feet, " and that should only take until the school year is over (we hope!), so they too should be the exception....

Amenities access is a great stick, but it beats wrong. "Amenities" is more than clubhouses, it does include lifestyle.

Muliply all of the above instances by 500 or more - because the exceptions have now become the rule - and you no longer have TV, but instead have Dorchester, or Brooklyn, or Oviedo, or Warwick, or Squirrel Hill, or Arlington, or a whole host of comparable cities.

This is not about being hearltless, but more about being a good neighbor - and that's your neighbor following the same rules as are expected of you and the other 30,000 households within TV.

This isn't just a case of a 6-month-old staying 3 days a week until a day care is found. It's also downstream as the child who is sick and can't go to day care later who now needs a dropping-off place, followed by the next child which wasn't expected, followed by the next reason. The two-income family can't seem to survive without grandparents to bail them out of overcommitment and kid-needs, and TV is a retirement community, not a child-rearing village.

Again, what's the next exception going to be, and how many thousand of them, because we can't be discriminatory on who is excused.......

Good neighbors look for all the alternatives before ever expecting others to ignore the rules, even if those alternatives cost a few bucks more or are inconvenient.

:agree::clap2: Stevez Great response, as usual.:clap2:

[The Great Fumar]

stevez
right on the nose pal !!!!!

What is there about no that people don't understand.....


Fumar

[beady]

Okay..I guess we aren't going to agree on the rules and the exception...

So ...... it has been nice bantering back and forth with you all and maybe we will have to agree to disagree.

:icon_wink:

[The Great Fumar]

[b]wrong !!!!!
Rules are rules and there is no exception. Whether you agree or disagree is of no consequense.......if you don't like'm , then don't sign them , once you do then live by your commitment....

[BillArmyRet]

I may have missed this in the posts, if so I apologize or the redundancy.

How are days counted in relation to the 30 day rule?

Does the child have to spend the night for a day to count?

If the child arrives on Saturday and leaves Sunday afternoon, is this one or 2 days?

Who keeps count of the days?

What kind of proof is necessary to make a charge that the rule has been violated?

While I respect everyone's personal opinion I would really like to hear how it actually works and who the is final authority in these matters.

Thanks

[beady]

Ouch ...pretty harsh Fumar. My grandfather always said rules are made to be broken and are usually better and fairer when they are resolved.
I agree with him...sorry.

[whartonjelly]

I believe rules are made to keep people safe. I Love Babies. I have helped deliver hundreds of babies. Way way way too many Grandparents are raising their children.

We want to meet people who have retired and now want to play !

TV is a very friendly community BECAUSE of the rules to keep our lifestyle Safe.!!!
:agree:

[starflyte1]

BillArmyRet, I mentioned in an earlier post that the definition of day needed to be made, but no one picked up on it. The dictionary used said the period of light between dark AND 24 hours from midnight. If the period of light is used, which I think that it could be because it is a definition, I think there is no problem. The rule needs to be rewritten as it can't be defined as it is.

[Cassie325]

This is a tough situation for this family and many others. The economy is hard on everyone....day care is expensive and not readily available around here. However we have all offered many suggestions that could help this particular family with out hurting too many people.

Here is a twist to the question of grandchildren....just because I am curious to hear the responses....I can't take credit for the "original" thought of this question....I won't mention any names just in case...but one of our member's husband thought this question out loud one time....if that member wants to take credit...she is welcome too...I just didn't want to name anyone...:icon_wink:

What if a single parent (presuming the other parent was passed on or serving as well) of 1 or 2 kids was in the military. What if that parent was called to serve our country overseas in Iraq or anywhere else...serving our country....and had no where else to leave their children....no one other than grandma and grandpa.....

Granted some military only have to be gone for 6 months and Grands can go stay with the kids....BUT what if they were extended like so many have....and the grandparents lived here in TV's....would we expect them to move out of TV's because their child was serving our country.....

I think it would be a very sad day....but it sounds like many of you would...thank your child for the service..but get out of TV's with those kids....

I hope I am misreading your messages....but that of course would be an exception to the rules....and we can not have any of that...or could we?

Again....not looking for an argument...just opinions....

[Fourpar]

SteveZ & Fumar have it right, 'nuff said.:agree:

[SteveZ]

This is a tough situation for this family and many others. The economy is hard on everyone....day care is expensive and not readily available around here. However we have all offered many suggestions that could help this particular family with out hurting too many people.

Here is a twist to the question of grandchildren....just because I am curious to hear the responses....I can't take credit for the "original" thought of this question....I won't mention any names just in case...but one of our member's husband thought this question out loud one time....if that member wants to take credit...she is welcome too...I just didn't want to name anyone...:icon_wink:

What if a single parent (presuming the other parent was passed on or serving as well) of 1 or 2 kids was in the military. What if that parent was called to serve our country overseas in Iraq or anywhere else...serving our country....and had no where else to leave their children....no one other than grandma and grandpa.....

Granted some military only have to be gone for 6 months and Grands can go stay with the kids....BUT what if they were extended like so many have....and the grandparents lived here in TV's....would we expect them to move out of TV's because their child was serving our country.....

I think it would be a very sad day....but it sounds like many of you would...thank your child for the service..but get out of TV's with those kids....

I hope I am misreading your messages....but that of course would be an exception to the rules....and we can not have any of that...or could we?

Again....not looking for an argument...just opinions....
As someone too familiar with that situation the answer is a simple one - You know what the requirements of the job are when you took it and accepted the money. If you have kids who must live elsewhere while you are deployed, you must make arrangements for that potential as part of your personal parental responsibilities. If you have become a single parent, you can opt out of the military due to family hardship, but if you continue to take the money, you take the responsiblities that go with it.

The Villages as an entity was not designed for children, and that's its attraction. TV does not have county school bus routes or other support systems for children. The 55+ is meant for good reason. The place was designed based on a specific population age group and its needs. That's why there's eight cardiologists and a slew of other physicians geared towards an older population, and only one pediatrician with The Villages Medical Center privileges.

If catastrophic family situations occur which require grandparents to take care of children, TV is not the place for the grandparents and grandchildren to reside. That's just the way it is, mainly because the absence of children support services makes such care totally impractical, the covenants notwithstanding.

We can dream up many scenarios where parents feel they have to take their kids' responsibilities as their own, but in each of those scenarios those folk bear the cost and inconvenience. We all knew that when we signed those covenants that TV was an environment that is age-restrictive, and that was and is its primary attraction.

Trying to make TV residents seem "unpatriotic" because kids can't live here is a cheap shot. There's a lot of us here with extensive service time and the scars that go with it, and we don't have to prove our patriotism by agreeing to watch our retirement community turn into just another town.

We came to TV knowing full well that the 55+ may very well impact the potential to be the family landlord, and that multigenerational households were totally counter to the TV structure.

I've got kids with kids (one in Korea with her child and Army husband right now), and we've had to face the fact that if something happened where a kid with kids came back and we were expected to solve the problem, that we'd have to make arrangements for them somewhere in Fruitland Park or elsewhere and suck in the costs and other headaches. The other alternative would be moving from TV completely because the family circumstances would no longer be conducive with the "retirement community" lifestyle.

Expecting the retirement community to morph itself into something other than what it is just is not realistic, nor is it reasonable.

[Cassie325]

[QUOTE=SteveZ;167029]

Trying to make TV residents seem "unpatriotic" because kids can't live here is a cheap shot. There's a lot of us here with extensive service time and the scars that go with it, and we don't have to prove our patriotism by agreeing to watch our retirement community turn into just another town.
QUOTE]

Steve...in no way did I make the residents of TV's seem unpatriotic. This was something I heard someone else ask and I too thought an interesting question. This question came from a resident and I know for sure that it was just a simple question. Not leaning one way or the other. Just wanted to know what folks on TOTV thought.

You have your opinion...and that is great that you are so loyal to TV's and the covenants that you would move out if you had to. This is your answer to the question. Bless your family for having you.

However...PLEASE do not make it sound as if I am exploiting a situation and making it seem unpatriotic. This was not a slam on anyone...it is a possible scenario that could happen to MANY residents and I was interested in thoughts...not making "cheap shots". :sad:

There were many other ways to have answered this question....perhaps saying something like "it is unfortunate situation and while we respect the work they are doing...rules are rules...." instead of insinuating that I was trying to make the residents look unpatriotic....not needed and nice try at spinning my SIMPLE question....but that is NOT in anyway the intent.

[SteveZ]

[QUOTE=SteveZ;167029]

Trying to make TV residents seem "unpatriotic" because kids can't live here is a cheap shot. There's a lot of us here with extensive service time and the scars that go with it, and we don't have to prove our patriotism by agreeing to watch our retirement community turn into just another town.
QUOTE]

Steve...in no way did I make the residents of TV's seem unpatriotic. This was something I heard someone else ask and I too thought an interesting question. This question came from a resident and I know for sure that it was just a simple question. Not leaning one way or the other. Just wanted to know what folks on TOTV thought.

You have your opinion...and that is great that you are so loyal to TV's and the covenants that you would move out if you had to. This is your answer to the question. Bless your family for having you.

However...PLEASE do not make it sound as if I am exploiting a situation and making it seem unpatriotic. This was not a slam on anyone...it is a possible scenario that could happen to MANY residents and I was interested in thoughts...not making "cheap shots". :sad:

There were many other ways to have answered this question....perhaps saying something like "it is unfortunate situation and while we respect the work they are doing...rules are rules...." instead of insinuating that I was trying to make the residents look unpatriotic....not needed and nice try at spinning my SIMPLE question....but that is NOT in anyway the intent.

Not trying to spin anything. "I think it would be a very sad day....but it sounds like many of you would...thank your child for the service..but get out of TV's with those kids...." seemed pretty blunt to me. If the message was not interpreted in your intent, then we have a failure to communicate.

The "great that you are so loyal to TV's and the covenants that you would move out if you had to" is not a matter of choice, but a matter of contract. I don't have the unilateral authority to change my contract with TV, and I don't know of anyone else who does. It's better (and less expensive) to honor your deal than end up in the losing end of protracted litigation.

Also, if you can't be trusted to honor your contracts, then you just can't be trusted. As another TV property owner, don't you too agree that people should respect the covenants which bind us all?

[Barefoot]

with The Villages Medical Center privileges.

Trying to make TV residents seem "unpatriotic" because kids can't live here is a cheap shot. There's a lot of us here with extensive service time and the scars that go with it, and we don't have to prove our patriotism by agreeing to watch our retirement community turn into just another town.
We came to TV knowing full well that the 55+ may very well impact the potential to be the family landlord, and that multigenerational households were totally counter to the TV structure. Expecting the retirement community to morph itself into something other than what it is just is not realistic, nor is it reasonable.

Steve, well said.

[Cassie325]

[QUOTE=Cassie325;167032]

Not trying to spin anything. "I think it would be a very sad day....but it sounds like many of you would...thank your child for the service..but get out of TV's with those kids...." seemed pretty blunt to me. If the message was not interpreted in your intent, then we have a failure to communicate.

The "great that you are so loyal to TV's and the covenants that you would move out if you had to" is not a matter of choice, but a matter of contract. I don't have the unilateral authority to change my contract with TV, and I don't know of anyone else who does. It's better (and less expensive) to honor your deal than end up in the losing end of protracted litigation. Also, if you can't be trusted to honor your contracts, then you just can't be trusted.....

Understood....perhaps this should be in the political forum though....

I respect the covenants very much...even though I own a home IN TV's....we do not live there....we visit....within the rules...and we barely use the amenties....ok maybe the cart paths to go to the square or to dinner...but we abide by the rules and respect them....

I am sorry you misunderstood me...I honestly felt it was a "different situation" this day in age and thought I would put it out there....I did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings...was just putting a different twist on the subject. Although in personal opinion...whether it had to happen or not....it would be VERY sad for a family to have to go through this....it would be very sad if you had to go through this....sad as in very unhappy and full of sadness...not sad in the respect of pathetic....

Again....the fact that you would not try to change, undermine or hide from, the rules is very respectable...not everyone would do that! I was honestly trying to convey my respect for you.....I am sorry if you misinterpreted it....personally I think very highly of you and your convictions and beliefs Steve....don't always agree:icon_wink:...but respect you for posting them and sticking to them.....the measure of a man...or a woman...should be this high....please know I am being very sincere....:(

I am sorry my posting did not portray this! Perhaps our admins should add voice capabilities to our threads.....:MOJE_whot: ....now I am in REAL trouble!!!:icon_wink:

[SteveZ]

[QUOTE=SteveZ;167070]

Understood....perhaps this should be in the political forum though....

I respect the covenants very much...even though I own a home IN TV's....we do not live there....we visit....within the rules...and we barely use the amenties....ok maybe the cart paths to go to the square or to dinner...but we abide by the rules and respect them....

I am sorry you misunderstood me...I honestly felt it was a "different situation" this day in age and thought I would put it out there....I did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings...was just putting a different twist on the subject.

Again....the fact that you would not try to change, undermine or hide from, the rules is very respectable...not everyone would do that! I was honestly trying to convey my respect for you.....I am sorry if you misinterpreted it....personally I think very highly of you and your convictions and beliefs Steve....don't always agree:icon_wink:...but respect you for posting them and sticking to them.....the measure of a man...or a woman...should be this high....please know I am being very sincere....:(

I am sorry my posting did not portray this! Perhaps our admins should add voice capabilities to our threads.....:MOJE_whot: ....now I am in REAL trouble!!!:icon_wink:
Apology accepted.

Now we can get onto the really important things, like when and where can we set up a demolition derby track for golf carts? ? ? Perhaps the parking lot beside the Barnes & Noble @ LSL? ? ? ?

[Cassie325]

[QUOTE=Cassie325;167119]
Apology accepted.

Now we can get onto the really important things, like when and where can we set up a demolition derby track for golf carts? ? ? Perhaps the parking lot beside the Barnes & Noble @ LSL? ? ? ?

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

I would think perhaps you would like it better near the family Village....

OH....now I am in trouble!!!!

:icon_wink:

[The Great Fumar]

I can't believe this...........

The question was , what if ???

the answer is, no you can't !!!!

the reason is rules........... The rules were made for a reason and the reason is unimportant .........

Rule one.... Kids are limited in time in this restricted community....

Rule two.. You can't change rule one ......


I'M OUT OF THIS POST !!!

[SABRMnLgs]

You have a 5 month old baby (does not even walk yet) being carried into a loving home ......... a couple of "lawyers" running up and down the street with a fistful of papers yelling, "Take her away, she can't be here, she's dangerous to our way of life". Man would I love to see this on a full blown news report.
It would make TV a front page story alright. Economics, stock market, politicos, the environment, gas prices and I could go on. Yet a 5 month old would absolutely kill your lifestyle.
Go on home, get a life and memorize the rest of your little shaft of papers. It makes you that much more "in touch with humanity".
I too will no longer post on this thread. Someone will find an insignificant
rule in their precious rule book about that.

[SteveZ]

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Go on home, get a life and memorize the rest of your little shaft of papers. It makes you that much more "in touch with humanity"....
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That little shaft of papers is the difference between any one of the Villages and a five-block radius surrounding Jackson Middle School or the Black Hammock Fish Camp. It's why people buy in TV as opposed to retiring in Winter Springs or in Tuskawilla.

It does make me "more in touch with humanity" in that I must first respect the rights of others before I start looking for ways to make life easier and simpler for my kids. Isn't that the example the "elders" are supposed to portray?

[redwitch]

I do agree that the rule is no kids under 19 living here and that it should be followed. However, we're talking about a 5-month-old baby who stays for a few hours a day a few times a week. If the baby were there 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, then I believe the covenants would be broken. I'm not convinced they are being broken in this instance.

As to the military family scenario: If this happens, they have my heartfelt thanks and sympathy. However, the kids don't belong here. They wouldn't be happy here on a day-to-day basis. The neighbors wouldn't be happy. TV itself would make the grandparents' lives miserable. Sadly, this is a case where the grandparents would have to move to help with their grandkids. They could rent their home on a long-term lease until their son or daughter comes home or they could sell it with the hope to re-buy at a later date. It may not be the kindest solution but it is the way it is. As was said, we agreed to these rules before we signed on the dotted line.