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Guest
12-16-2015, 09:43 AM
Go to FOX News online and look at their article on the AP fact check of the debaters last night.

Bush, Cruz, Fiorina, and Trump made statements that were just NOT true.

Basically, the debate was a waste of time.

It will come to a final nominee of Rubio for GOP, Trump for independent, and Clinton for Democrat. Clinton wins - thanks to the Republicans who split votes.

Guest
12-16-2015, 10:15 AM
Go to FOX News online and look at their article on the AP fact check of the debaters last night.

Bush, Cruz, Fiorina, and Trump made statements that were just NOT true.

Basically, the debate was a waste of time.

It will come to a final nominee of Rubio for GOP, Trump for independent, and Clinton for Democrat. Clinton wins - thanks to the Republicans who split votes.

You're entitled to your OPINION. The only thing in your comment that I might agree on is that Rubio stands a good chance at the nomination.

Guest
12-16-2015, 10:26 AM
You're entitled to your OPINION. The only thing in your comment that I might agree on is that Rubio stands a good chance at the nomination.

How do you figure? He's tied for third in the polls, 12% vs. Trump 38%. With numbers like that he may not even be able to keep financing a run for President.

Guest
12-16-2015, 01:02 PM
How do you figure? He's tied for third in the polls, 12% vs. Trump 38%. With numbers like that he may not even be able to keep financing a run for President.

Even the NBC poll shows that Rubio can beat Hillary. He is doing very well, and the debate made him look better. It comes down to the voting. Trump is popular but isn't really taken seriously as presidential material by many. Cruz is abrasive to even his own party and has a hard time getting along with congress. Rubio is more moderate and is liked, and can pull the Independent vote, the Latino vote, and an alternative for the female vote. I say alternative because I have heard a lot of women complain about how despicable Hilary and the Clintons as a whole are concerned. I may be wrong, but as of right now (and it is early) I am thinking about voting for Rubio, because I believe he has the best chance of winning the General election of the candidates. It is not about who I like the best, but who can win against that scumbag criminal, Clinton.

Guest
12-16-2015, 02:57 PM
Even the NBC poll shows that Rubio can beat Hillary. He is doing very well, and the debate made him look better. It comes down to the voting. Trump is popular but isn't really taken seriously as presidential material by many. Cruz is abrasive to even his own party and has a hard time getting along with congress. Rubio is more moderate and is liked, and can pull the Independent vote, the Latino vote, and an alternative for the female vote. I say alternative because I have heard a lot of women complain about how despicable Hilary and the Clintons as a whole are concerned. I may be wrong, but as of right now (and it is early) I am thinking about voting for Rubio, because I believe he has the best chance of winning the General election of the candidates. It is not about who I like the best, but who can win against that scumbag criminal, Clinton.

I am leaning toward Rubio too.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest
12-16-2015, 04:16 PM
Go to FOX News online and look at their article on the AP fact check of the debaters last night.

Bush, Cruz, Fiorina, and Trump made statements that were just NOT true.

Basically, the debate was a waste of time.

It will come to a final nominee of Rubio for GOP, Trump for independent, and Clinton for Democrat. Clinton wins - thanks to the Republicans who split votes.

"What difference does it make?" will be managing from jail. I wonder how much revenue we can make by converting the White House into a hotel, or if Willy is staying there, a bordello.

Guest
12-16-2015, 07:27 PM
Rubio is for weak borders and amnesty for illegals here already. He also talks about having strongest military in world but fails to say how to pay for it. How is that different then Hillary?

Guest
12-16-2015, 07:53 PM
Rubio is for weak borders and amnesty for illegals here already. He also talks about having strongest military in world but fails to say how to pay for it. How is that different then Hillary?


Here is where Hillary differs!!!

Please excuse the language, but these are Quotes.
Broomstick One
LOOK THESE UP IN THE BOOKS AND PAGE NUMBERS CITED IF YOU WISH.
QUOTES FROM DIFFERENT BOOKS
Hillary's actual words:
(1) "Where is the God damn flag? I want the God damn ****ing flag up every morning at ****ing sunrise". Hillary to staff at the Arkansas Governor's mansion on Labor Day 1991. From the book "Inside the White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 244

(2) **** off! It's enough I have to see you ****-kickers every day! I'm not going to talk to you, too! Just do your Goddamn job and keep your mouth shut." Hillary to her State Trooper bodyguards after one of them greeted her with "Good Morning." From the book " America Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p.90

(3) "If you want to remain on this detail, get your ****ing ass over here and grab those bags!" Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident. From the book "The First Partner" p. 259

(4) "Stay the **** back, stay the **** back away from me! Don't come within ten yards of me, or else! Just ****ing do as I say, Okay!!?" Hillary screaming at her Secret Service detail. From the book "Unlimited Access" by Clinton's FBI Agent-in-Charge, Gary Aldridge, p.139

(5) "Where's the miserable cock sucker?" (otherwise known as Bill Clinton Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer. From the book "The Truth about Hillary" by Edward Klein, p. 5
(6) "You ****ing idiot" Hillary to a State Trooper who was driving her to an event. From the book "Crossfire" ~pg. 84

(7) "Put this on the ground! I left my sunglasses in the limo. I need those ****ing sunglasses! We need to go back! Hillary to Marine One helicopter pilot to turn back while in route to Air Force One. From the book " Dereliction of Duty" p. 71-72

(8) "Come on Bill, put your dick up! You can't **** her here!" Hillary to Gov. Bill Clinton when she spots him talking with an attractive female. From the book "Inside the White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 243

There it is ........book, chapter and page.......the real Hillary!

Additionally, when she walked around the White House, NO ONE was permitted to look her in the eye, they all had to lower their heads with their eyes towards the ground whenever she walked by. Clearly she is a class - NOT!

This ill-tempered, violent, loud-mouth, hateful and abusive woman wants to be your next President, and have total control as Commander in Chief of our Military, the very Military for which she has shown incredible disdain throughout her public life .

Remember her most vile comment about Benghazi : so what difference at this point does it make?

Now it will be clear why the crew of "Marine One" helicopter nick-named the craft, "Broomstick ONE"

Guest
12-16-2015, 09:37 PM
Go to FOX News online and look at their article on the AP fact check of the debaters last night.

Bush, Cruz, Fiorina, and Trump made statements that were just NOT true.

Basically, the debate was a waste of time.

It will come to a final nominee of Rubio for GOP, Trump for independent, and Clinton for Democrat. Clinton wins - thanks to the Republicans who split votes.

opinion all news is a waste of time...as well as all members of both houses. They all fudge the facts to booster their point of view. Strangely enough very few(if any)of the past presidents were chosen on how they debated or how much they lied. So business as usual.

Reading your post was also a waste of time as you've said nothing new...just shown that you're frustrated. So aren't we all. Most of us don't feel the need to post something that shows how ignorant we are.

Guest
12-17-2015, 05:29 AM
Rubio is for weak borders and amnesty for illegals here already. He also talks about having strongest military in world but fails to say how to pay for it. How is that different then Hillary?

Unlike the current EO tyrant in the White House at present, Rubio is not going to issue EO's in a tantrum because congress doesn't agree with him. Rubio is not for weak borders and his so-called "amnesty" IDEA requires only non-criminals to work at least ten years, pay taxes, to become eligible for a green card. I find it interesting that many will allow for Obummer's evolving Flip-flops but hold the Republicans to exactly what they have mentioned in the last twenty years. But, I do understand. I do not agree with EVERYTHING any one of the GOP candidates indicate that they want to do, but I do know that I will NOT vote for the Democrat/socialist candidate. I have yet to totally agree with any of the previous presidents, but since I am not running for the election, I have to chose one that represents most of my ideals. And I may have to compromise a little to insure that I chose one that has the best chance of winning the election against the socialist candidate.

Guest
12-18-2015, 04:48 PM
Here is where Hillary differs!!!

Please excuse the language, but these are Quotes.
Broomstick One
LOOK THESE UP IN THE BOOKS AND PAGE NUMBERS CITED IF YOU WISH.
QUOTES FROM DIFFERENT BOOKS
Hillary's actual words:
(1) "Where is the God damn flag? I want the God damn ****ing flag up every morning at ****ing sunrise". Hillary to staff at the Arkansas Governor's mansion on Labor Day 1991. From the book "Inside the White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 244

(2) **** off! It's enough I have to see you ****-kickers every day! I'm not going to talk to you, too! Just do your Goddamn job and keep your mouth shut." Hillary to her State Trooper bodyguards after one of them greeted her with "Good Morning." From the book " America Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p.90

(3) "If you want to remain on this detail, get your ****ing ass over here and grab those bags!" Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident. From the book "The First Partner" p. 259

(4) "Stay the **** back, stay the **** back away from me! Don't come within ten yards of me, or else! Just ****ing do as I say, Okay!!?" Hillary screaming at her Secret Service detail. From the book "Unlimited Access" by Clinton's FBI Agent-in-Charge, Gary Aldridge, p.139

(5) "Where's the miserable cock sucker?" (otherwise known as Bill Clinton Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer. From the book "The Truth about Hillary" by Edward Klein, p. 5
(6) "You ****ing idiot" Hillary to a State Trooper who was driving her to an event. From the book "Crossfire" ~pg. 84

(7) "Put this on the ground! I left my sunglasses in the limo. I need those ****ing sunglasses! We need to go back! Hillary to Marine One helicopter pilot to turn back while in route to Air Force One. From the book " Dereliction of Duty" p. 71-72

(8) "Come on Bill, put your dick up! You can't **** her here!" Hillary to Gov. Bill Clinton when she spots him talking with an attractive female. From the book "Inside the White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 243

There it is ........book, chapter and page.......the real Hillary!

Additionally, when she walked around the White House, NO ONE was permitted to look her in the eye, they all had to lower their heads with their eyes towards the ground whenever she walked by. Clearly she is a class - NOT!

This ill-tempered, violent, loud-mouth, hateful and abusive woman wants to be your next President, and have total control as Commander in Chief of our Military, the very Military for which she has shown incredible disdain throughout her public life .

Remember her most vile comment about Benghazi : so what difference at this point does it make?

Now it will be clear why the crew of "Marine One" helicopter nick-named the craft, "Broomstick ONE"
I hope you didn't buy those fine pieces of American literature you were quoting from. If so you must be the life of the party during Christmas season

Guest
12-18-2015, 05:03 PM
I hope you didn't buy those fine pieces of American literature you were quoting from. If so you must be the life of the party during Christmas season

Ever heard of the Library? Probably not, because most liberals on here have no idea what's going on around them, ignorant of American history and current events.

Guest
12-19-2015, 06:52 PM
I hope you didn't buy those fine pieces of American literature you were quoting from. If so you must be the life of the party during Christmas season

There you go totally ignoring the fact that Hillary is plain and simple, not a very nice person. She puts on a public display that is an act and shows her true character when she is "off camera". Mrs. Obama illustrates the same poor qualities of Hillary toward her staff and Secret Service. The Reagans, and both Bush's treated their protectors and employees with respect and admiration for what they did. This respect, in itself, is a major indicator of the quality and character of an individual. There is certainly much more than intelligence that constructs an individual's character and it must be considered when placing someone in our country's highest office.

Guest
12-19-2015, 09:29 PM
Vote Trump

Guest
12-20-2015, 07:29 AM
I would be very suspicious of anyone that I couldn't find something negative in their background. However, nothing in any candidate's background has been anywhere as negative or criminal as the Clintions. A vote or policy that a candidate might have flipped on, or a childhood discretion is something you expect from anyone. But, a background of total disregard for the law, honesty, morality and ethics. Some of it leading to the deaths of American citizens is unacceptable and despicable. A vote for someone like that, shows that ignorance runs rampant in our society and the liberal media perpetrates the cover up and sugar coating. It makes one wonder what their agenda might be....or is it just plain laziness by the reporting entities? A liberals really that stupid that they would sign with the devil just for the sake of a few unearned scraps from the table?

Anyone thinking of voting for the Democrats, should watch last night's Democrat debate. Compare those terrible examples of the Democrat party to even the lowest rated in the polls, GOP candidate and you will see a giant difference. Not one good idea came from the debate. Hilary told us that she would crush ISIS without using force. Does she have a Jedi mind trick going for her? Apparently she does if she can get anyone to vote for her.

Guest
12-20-2015, 01:57 PM
I would be very suspicious of anyone that I couldn't find something negative in their background. However, nothing in any candidate's background has been anywhere as negative or criminal as the Clintions. A vote or policy that a candidate might have flipped on, or a childhood discretion is something you expect from anyone. But, a background of total disregard for the law, honesty, morality and ethics. Some of it leading to the deaths of American citizens is unacceptable and despicable. A vote for someone like that, shows that ignorance runs rampant in our society and the liberal media perpetrates the cover up and sugar coating. It makes one wonder what their agenda might be....or is it just plain laziness by the reporting entities? A liberals really that stupid that they would sign with the devil just for the sake of a few unearned scraps from the table?

Anyone thinking of voting for the Democrats, should watch last night's Democrat debate. Compare those terrible examples of the Democrat party to even the lowest rated in the polls, GOP candidate and you will see a giant difference. Not one good idea came from the debate. Hilary told us that she would crush ISIS without using force. Does she have a Jedi mind trick going for her? Apparently she does if she can get anyone to vote for her.
There is plenty of right wing media. I am sure you are aware of it. I am voting for Hillary. I read and listen to right wing and left wing media. I also read what you and the other posters write. Very entertaining. I hope your candidate wins, otherwise 4 more years of whining about how our country is being led by crooks and idiots.

Guest
12-20-2015, 03:05 PM
There is plenty of right wing media. I am sure you are aware of it. I am voting for Hillary. I read and listen to right wing and left wing media. I also read what you and the other posters write. Very entertaining. I hope your candidate wins, otherwise 4 more years of whining about how our country is being led by crooks and idiots.

Here in lies the problem with people that vote for Hillary. I will concede the vast differences in the left and right's view of the political direction of our country. What cannot be conceded is the"FACT" that Hillary is not a truthful, honest, and nice person. If you do not believe that then you get what you pay for, and with Mrs. C you will pay ($$$$$) for it.

Guest
12-20-2015, 03:30 PM
I would be very suspicious of anyone that I couldn't find something negative in their background. However, nothing in any candidate's background has been anywhere as negative or criminal as the Clintions. A vote or policy that a candidate might have flipped on, or a childhood discretion is something you expect from anyone. But, a background of total disregard for the law, honesty, morality and ethics. Some of it leading to the deaths of American citizens is unacceptable and despicable. A vote for someone like that, shows that ignorance runs rampant in our society and the liberal media perpetrates the cover up and sugar coating. It makes one wonder what their agenda might be....or is it just plain laziness by the reporting entities? A liberals really that stupid that they would sign with the devil just for the sake of a few unearned scraps from the table?

Anyone thinking of voting for the Democrats, should watch last night's Democrat debate. Compare those terrible examples of the Democrat party to even the lowest rated in the polls, GOP candidate and you will see a giant difference. Not one good idea came from the debate. Hilary told us that she would crush ISIS without using force. Does she have a Jedi mind trick going for her? Apparently she does if she can get anyone to vote for her.

...and Trump's idea to crush ISIS is to cut off a baby's head and post the beheading on the internet.

Guest
12-20-2015, 03:41 PM
Here we go again trying to choose the best from a very bad lot.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest
12-20-2015, 05:59 PM
...and Trump's idea to crush ISIS is to cut off a baby's head and post the beheading on the internet.

I didn't hear Trump say anything about cutting off baby heads and posting them, but if those babies and families get killed in a bombing, I figure it's better than having them bomb our kids. We killed millions of families, with kids when we carpet bombed Germany and Japan and I bet we killed a few in Japan with our atom bombs too. I know we did because I have been to Hiroshima and their museum that showed photos and evidence of the mass destruction. And think about how many lives we saved on our side by doing that, and shortening the war.

I am not pro-Trump but I figure that even as loony as he appears at times, he is so much better than the criminal running for election on the Dem side. Hilary is scum and anyone that votes for her has something deeply wrong with them. If they vote for her, then they should not ever, ever be allowed on Jury duty. If they vote for her, then they are accessories after the fact in her felonies. The Clintons are scum and should be avoided like gum on hot asphalt. Don't step on it.

Guest
12-20-2015, 06:44 PM
Donald Trump is a total and complete embarassment to my party and frankly to the entire political process.

When people say he speaks for them, I find it difficult to think that there are that many hate mongering, attack dogs on the planet.

The Republican party has some great young candidates and Donald Trump has called all of them names, and never is able to actually conduct a conversation on their policies, ideas and stands on issues which is where the conversation should be directed.

I think this process has been a low point in our political process from the beginning of the country. Those who utter others names in comparing Trump, do a disservice of HUGE proportions to anyone they choose to compare him to.

Many posts on this forum are not genuine and simply a method of passing the time and releasing some agression but my statement to follow could not be more sincere.

I will tell you from the bottom of my heart that I could never vote for Hillary Clinton simply because I have read many books on her, checked and rechecked the validity of the claims and she is a liar of EPIC proportions.

If Trump is allowed by voters to gain any sort of foothold in the first few primaries, I will then be 100% disgusted with the entire Republican Party being so stupid and naive. I will change my registration to independent and will not vote. Not voting is what cost Romney the nomination, but Trump has unsettled me in such a manner that I will simply hold my nose, not vote, and watch the continued downfall of a country that i fought for and loved.

I would welcome any Trump followers to debate this man on the issues but certainly not on a board that protects silly immature people from even identifying themselves. I just suggest that your constant talking of this man as if he deserved your serious consideration is an affront and if you are unable to see what he is doing to the party and the country (in concert with the media who has proven they cover more show business than actual governing) then you probably deserve what is to come.

Ms Clinton lied, as she is prone to do, last night in her comments on Trump and the media gave her a pass and actually piled on with the same rhetoric, but the damage he is doing is not to our battle with ISIS but to a party and the country.

If Donald Trump is as he says speaking for the silent majority, then I ask that silent majority to hold him to the same standards as you would hold your trash man to. How will you do it and then think how practical it is. YOU have criticized a president and I have joined you, but I will not join in having any dealings or serious discussion about a man who is so far worse, and as I say, even serious discussion about this man is a detriment to our country.

In the late 50's, I became involved in politics. I recognize what politicians are about.....I worked with them for years.....I have no dumb illusions about them.

But in almost 60 years of being closely involved and intimately interested in the political process, I am sickened by what this man is doing. I cannot speak for his intentions, which appear to be self promotion only, but I can speak with great confidence about what he is doing to the process and my party.

He is not even a nice person, let alone someone who should get a minute of conversation. He may be a great business man, but I assure you, a statesman or leader in the public realm he is NOT

I feel better. I stopped posting on here because this board has become a potpourri of what we do not need, with little attention to anything but having childish fun with words. I am using it this evening to vent a bit.

It is a shame we cannot honestly and openly discuss events of the world online with neighbors....there are other sites, but talking with neighbors is just different. It cannot and will not be done on here and that is fine. It is obviously because the great majority do not want to have such a place.


I know I take it seriously, as has been charged, but I believe it IS serious, and as the worlds advancement give us quicker technology it is even more serious. I certainly do not want to interrupt the fun that people have on here with being serious but it is how I feel.

To those who say it is unimportant, I totally and 100% disagree. I never had visions of changing anyones mind as accused but rather of insuring folks were dealing with facts when making decisions. Decisions that I grew up believing were to be made with a serious study of.

We enjoy blaming all the politicians in Washington. WE and others like us elected those people based on all the wrong things and it just gets worse.

The Trump situation is a bad one that I just wanted to get off my chest. Those who "follow" and "cheer" him are being conned by a good salesman; one which you would come on here and complain about if he sold you something for your home.

Guest
12-20-2015, 06:52 PM
Donald Trump is a total and complete embarassment to my party and frankly to the entire political process.

When people say he speaks for them, I find it difficult to think that there are that many hate mongering, attack dogs on the planet.

The Republican party has some great young candidates and Donald Trump has called all of them names, and never is able to actually conduct a conversation on their policies, ideas and stands on issues which is where the conversation should be directed.

I think this process has been a low point in our political process from the beginning of the country. Those who utter others names in comparing Trump, do a disservice of HUGE proportions to anyone they choose to compare him to.

Many posts on this forum are not genuine and simply a method of passing the time and releasing some agression but my statement to follow could not be more sincere.

I will tell you from the bottom of my heart that I could never vote for Hillary Clinton simply because I have read many books on her, checked and rechecked the validity of the claims and she is a liar of EPIC proportions.

If Trump is allowed by voters to gain any sort of foothold in the first few primaries, I will then be 100% disgusted with the entire Republican Party being so stupid and naive. I will change my registration to independent and will not vote. Not voting is what cost Romney the nomination, but Trump has unsettled me in such a manner that I will simply hold my nose, not vote, and watch the continued downfall of a country that i fought for and loved.

I would welcome any Trump followers to debate this man on the issues but certainly not on a board that protects silly immature people from even identifying themselves. I just suggest that your constant talking of this man as if he deserved your serious consideration is an affront and if you are unable to see what he is doing to the party and the country (in concert with the media who has proven they cover more show business than actual governing) then you probably deserve what is to come.

Ms Clinton lied, as she is prone to do, last night in her comments on Trump and the media gave her a pass and actually piled on with the same rhetoric, but the damage he is doing is not to our battle with ISIS but to a party and the country.

If Donald Trump is as he says speaking for the silent majority, then I ask that silent majority to hold him to the same standards as you would hold your trash man to. How will you do it and then think how practical it is. YOU have criticized a president and I have joined you, but I will not join in having any dealings or serious discussion about a man who is so far worse, and as I say, even serious discussion about this man is a detriment to our country.

In the late 50's, I became involved in politics. I recognize what politicians are about.....I worked with them for years.....I have no dumb illusions about them.

But in almost 60 years of being closely involved and intimately interested in the political process, I am sickened by what this man is doing. I cannot speak for his intentions, which appear to be self promotion only, but I can speak with great confidence about what he is doing to the process and my party.

He is not even a nice person, let alone someone who should get a minute of conversation. He may be a great business man, but I assure you, a statesman or leader in the public realm he is NOT

I feel better. I stopped posting on here because this board has become a potpourri of what we do not need, with little attention to anything but having childish fun with words. I am using it this evening to vent a bit.

It is a shame we cannot honestly and openly discuss events of the world online with neighbors....there are other sites, but talking with neighbors is just different. It cannot and will not be done on here and that is fine. It is obviously because the great majority do not want to have such a place.


I know I take it seriously, as has been charged, but I believe it IS serious, and as the worlds advancement give us quicker technology it is even more serious. I certainly do not want to interrupt the fun that people have on here with being serious but it is how I feel.

To those who say it is unimportant, I totally and 100% disagree. I never had visions of changing anyones mind as accused but rather of insuring folks were dealing with facts when making decisions. Decisions that I grew up believing were to be made with a serious study of.

We enjoy blaming all the politicians in Washington. WE and others like us elected those people based on all the wrong things and it just gets worse.

The Trump situation is a bad one that I just wanted to get off my chest. Those who "follow" and "cheer" him are being conned by a good salesman; one which you would come on here and complain about if he sold you something for your home.

Don't worry, it will be Rubio that gets the nomination. Not the best choice, but better than any that the Dems have to offer.

Guest
12-20-2015, 06:57 PM
Don't worry, it will be Rubio that gets the nomination. Not the best choice, but better than any that the Dems have to offer.

Did not think I would get any response much less such a quick one.

I am worried however. When I hear Trump calling others names and the media covers it as a cage match game, then I know we are in trouble. Everyone should understand that each day this farce continues the situation becomes less reversable.

Rubio would be a great candidate actually. Problem is, will Trump ruin the Republican brand to an extent that it becomes hopeless and he takes his billions and goes home.

Guest
12-20-2015, 07:40 PM
Did not think I would get any response much less such a quick one.

I am worried however. When I hear Trump calling others names and the media covers it as a cage match game, then I know we are in trouble. Everyone should understand that each day this farce continues the situation becomes less reversable.

Rubio would be a great candidate actually. Problem is, will Trump ruin the Republican brand to an extent that it becomes hopeless and he takes his billions and goes home.

It's possible. To tell you the truth, I never took him seriously and thought that he was just taking the heat for the other candidates, and then would drop out near the primary. But, it does not seem to be so. But, I am still confident that even though the voter likes the side show, they will get serious when it comes to their vote. Anyone that has any sense at all will either vote for ANY Republican nominee or just not vote rather than vote for Hillary. I find it hard to believe that ALL Democrats are that stupid as to vote for scum like Hillary. I am disgusted with her because I know exactly how dangerous her actions were with her classified material. I wish the gov was at liberty to reveal just how dangerous it was that she did so blatantly. Most Americans do not know exactly what she did that was wrong, but those of us that have been there, know exactly how dangerous it was. If the population knew, they would probably lynch her.

Guest
12-21-2015, 09:43 AM
Donald Trump is a total and complete embarassment to my party and frankly to the entire political process.

When people say he speaks for them, I find it difficult to think that there are that many hate mongering, attack dogs on the planet.

The Republican party has some great young candidates and Donald Trump has called all of them names, and never is able to actually conduct a conversation on their policies, ideas and stands on issues which is where the conversation should be directed.

I think this process has been a low point in our political process from the beginning of the country. Those who utter others names in comparing Trump, do a disservice of HUGE proportions to anyone they choose to compare him to.

Many posts on this forum are not genuine and simply a method of passing the time and releasing some agression but my statement to follow could not be more sincere.

I will tell you from the bottom of my heart that I could never vote for Hillary Clinton simply because I have read many books on her, checked and rechecked the validity of the claims and she is a liar of EPIC proportions.

If Trump is allowed by voters to gain any sort of foothold in the first few primaries, I will then be 100% disgusted with the entire Republican Party being so stupid and naive. I will change my registration to independent and will not vote. Not voting is what cost Romney the nomination, but Trump has unsettled me in such a manner that I will simply hold my nose, not vote, and watch the continued downfall of a country that i fought for and loved.

I would welcome any Trump followers to debate this man on the issues but certainly not on a board that protects silly immature people from even identifying themselves. I just suggest that your constant talking of this man as if he deserved your serious consideration is an affront and if you are unable to see what he is doing to the party and the country (in concert with the media who has proven they cover more show business than actual governing) then you probably deserve what is to come.

Ms Clinton lied, as she is prone to do, last night in her comments on Trump and the media gave her a pass and actually piled on with the same rhetoric, but the damage he is doing is not to our battle with ISIS but to a party and the country.

If Donald Trump is as he says speaking for the silent majority, then I ask that silent majority to hold him to the same standards as you would hold your trash man to. How will you do it and then think how practical it is. YOU have criticized a president and I have joined you, but I will not join in having any dealings or serious discussion about a man who is so far worse, and as I say, even serious discussion about this man is a detriment to our country.

In the late 50's, I became involved in politics. I recognize what politicians are about.....I worked with them for years.....I have no dumb illusions about them.

But in almost 60 years of being closely involved and intimately interested in the political process, I am sickened by what this man is doing. I cannot speak for his intentions, which appear to be self promotion only, but I can speak with great confidence about what he is doing to the process and my party.

He is not even a nice person, let alone someone who should get a minute of conversation. He may be a great business man, but I assure you, a statesman or leader in the public realm he is NOT

I feel better. I stopped posting on here because this board has become a potpourri of what we do not need, with little attention to anything but having childish fun with words. I am using it this evening to vent a bit.

It is a shame we cannot honestly and openly discuss events of the world online with neighbors....there are other sites, but talking with neighbors is just different. It cannot and will not be done on here and that is fine. It is obviously because the great majority do not want to have such a place.


I know I take it seriously, as has been charged, but I believe it IS serious, and as the worlds advancement give us quicker technology it is even more serious. I certainly do not want to interrupt the fun that people have on here with being serious but it is how I feel.

To those who say it is unimportant, I totally and 100% disagree. I never had visions of changing anyones mind as accused but rather of insuring folks were dealing with facts when making decisions. Decisions that I grew up believing were to be made with a serious study of.

We enjoy blaming all the politicians in Washington. WE and others like us elected those people based on all the wrong things and it just gets worse.

The Trump situation is a bad one that I just wanted to get off my chest. Those who "follow" and "cheer" him are being conned by a good salesman; one which you would come on here and complain about if he sold you something for your home.

As disenchanted as one might be, he, Trump would be the better choice between him or Clinton.

And you may be suffering a little from the current way people are used to being communicated with by politicians....telling you what you want to hear....talkiking nice nice about everything.....calling a spade a heart because it sounds better....or may not offend someone......etc.

A lot of what is referred to as Trump's bluster is he says it like it is and too many do not like it that way. HOWEVER....there are many of us that subscribe to saying it like it is because it is usually the truth!!! That is the very reason Trump resonates so well with the American people......yes, including many democrats who are sick and tired of being schmoozed by the crony sleeze business as usual politicians which Obama and Clinton are the self annointed king and queen.

Guest
12-21-2015, 10:37 AM
There must be a reason the democratic party elected and allows the jackass to be their mascot!!!!

And of course Trump IS the elephant in the room!!

Guest
12-21-2015, 11:52 AM
As disenchanted as one might be, he, Trump would be the better choice between him or Clinton.

And you may be suffering a little from the current way people are used to being communicated with by politicians....telling you what you want to hear....talkiking nice nice about everything.....calling a spade a heart because it sounds better....or may not offend someone......etc.

A lot of what is referred to as Trump's bluster is he says it like it is and too many do not like it that way. HOWEVER....there are many of us that subscribe to saying it like it is because it is usually the truth!!! That is the very reason Trump resonates so well with the American people......yes, including many democrats who are sick and tired of being schmoozed by the crony sleeze business as usual politicians which Obama and Clinton are the self annointed king and queen.

No...explain...

What does it mean when his plan for ISIS is to bomb the hell out of them ? He needs congressional approval among other thing but he never mentions that. Has he not the common sense to understand the consequences of that ?

What does it mean when he says, I will be the best trade president ever...don't worry about it ? How ?

What does it mean constantly "don't worry about it" and he offers nothing..nada.

What does it mean when he obviously had no clue what the question even meant on our nuclear reaction capabilities ? Rubio saved his bacon on that, and I challenge you to tell me one canidate for any federal office that has no clue about this.

This man is dangerous, and don't even think about blaming me for not being used to his rhetoric. It is unintelligible drivel, and he is not nor will be the king...he cannot simply ordain things.

He is slowly and surely draining the Republican Party of its viability, and if he does not do well at any time he will simply turn on the party. That is who he is and what he is. He can get away with bluster, etc in private business, but he has that darn Constitution to worry about outside business.

Your attempt to defend him by blaming intelligent citizens and voters for not understanding is simply ludicrious

Guest
12-21-2015, 12:10 PM
No...explain...

What does it mean when his plan for ISIS is to bomb the hell out of them ? He needs congressional approval among other thing but he never mentions that. Has he not the common sense to understand the consequences of that ?

What does it mean when he says, I will be the best trade president ever...don't worry about it ? How ?

What does it mean constantly "don't worry about it" and he offers nothing..nada.

What does it mean when he obviously had no clue what the question even meant on our nuclear reaction capabilities ? Rubio saved his bacon on that, and I challenge you to tell me one canidate for any federal office that has no clue about this.

This man is dangerous, and don't even think about blaming me for not being used to his rhetoric. It is unintelligible drivel, and he is not nor will be the king...he cannot simply ordain things.

He is slowly and surely draining the Republican Party of its viability, and if he does not do well at any time he will simply turn on the party. That is who he is and what he is. He can get away with bluster, etc in private business, but he has that darn Constitution to worry about outside business.

Your attempt to defend him by blaming intelligent citizens and voters for not understanding is simply ludicrious

Excuse me! No where in my post does it say this so you stand corrected!

If we were actually talking I would repeat what I said more slowly! However.......

His popularity is a reflection of what many voters would say and how they feel....no political correctness (lying!)......no scmoozing......no worry about hurting someone's feelings......

Said another way many of us are sick and tired of the political BS of the past 7 years!!!

Hopefully this gets you re-calibrated to what was actually said and intended.....right!

Guest
12-21-2015, 12:43 PM
I am not a Trump fan, but I do see the positive in having him draw the spotlight. Trump may be boorish, but he says what a lot of America wants to hear. They want someone to acknowledge their fears and worries. Why should the liberals be the only ones that can disparage everything in America that is what makes us strong? They talk dirt about conservatives, calling us racist, sexists and bigots. In the past, Republicans have held their tongues, trying to be PC and not offend anyone. Trump doesn't worry about it. I bet he never thought he would get this far. I bet he never even seriously considered the possibility of getting the nomination. He probably didn't even want it, until he accrued such a large following. No one would even be listening to the GOP campaign if not for Trump. No one even listens to the Democrat debates or listen to them speak. Trump speaks for a lot of us. He does what the Tea Party couldn't accomplish. Now, I hope that voters will realize that he has had his place in this campaign but now it's about time to seriously consider someone to give their vote to for president. I don't believe that Trump will gt the vote. THere is a big difference between polls and votes, especially in this case. America loves or hates Trump, but they will/should take their vote seriously.

Today, there are two viable GOP candidates, Cruz and Rubio. That can change before or during the primaries. There are others that may suddenly climb once the voting starts.

At this time, if I was to cast my vote, it would be for Rubio. He has the best chance of beating Hilary in the general. There is no perfect candidate, so some are going to have to hold their noses and vote for the one that WILL beat Hillary. America can not afford another Clinton in the White House, especially a criminal like Hillary. What would parents tell their children, that it is OK to break the law because they can grow up to be president?

Remember, there was only one PERFECT man in this world, and he was murdered on the cross by non-believers. There is no perfect candidate, so don't give up just because your guy isn't in the consideration.

Guest
12-21-2015, 12:50 PM
Excuse me! No where in my post does it say this so you stand corrected!

If we were actually talking I would repeat what I said more slowly! However.......

His popularity is a reflection of what many voters would say and how they feel....no political correctness (lying!)......no scmoozing......no worry about hurting someone's feelings......

Said another way many of us are sick and tired of the political BS of the past 7 years!!!

Hopefully this gets you re-calibrated to what was actually said and intended.....right!

I will apologize if I offended you....

This is one of the things I was responding to...

"And you may be suffering a little from the current way people are used to being communicated with by politicians....telling you what you want to hear....talkiking nice nice about everything.....calling a spade a heart because it sounds better....or may not offend someone......etc.

A lot of what is referred to as Trump's bluster is he says it like it is and too many do not like it that way. HOWEVER....there are many of us that subscribe to saying it like it is because it is usually the truth!!! That is the very reason Trump resonates so well with the American people......yes, including many democrats who are sick and tired of being schmoozed by the crony sleeze business as usual politicians which Obama and Clinton are the self annointed king and queen."

I am "suffering" from nothing. I know how politicians communicate and I know I am very demanding of what they say and how they say it. You can listen and tell when someone is "blowing smoke" and has no grasp on the problems to be solved.

I also think Trump's bluster is just that....pure bluster. Your subscription and buying what he says as truth is your choice. I know he may capture how you and others feel, but he certainly has offered, in my opinion, nothing but "bluster" as a solution.

I am and have always been anti Obama and Clinton. I was on this political forum in 2008 speaking about Obama and the threat and it all came true, so my dialogue is NOT intended to give him a defense. Your post is more about Obama and Clinton and your dissatisfaction with them than about any solutions offered by Trump. He may talk about them as you wish to.....he may say all those things that warm the cockles of your heart, but I will tell you that he is destroying any chance of you ever being sans Clinton and the Obama influence.

He is the same as Obama, with less eloquence and you are caught up in how he voices your feelings about Obama. I have probably the same feelings, but they are issue driven, not simply bluster.

Trump offers nothing at all EXCEPT his ridiculing and most of the time he is not ridiculing the two you mention. He has said things about his opponent that, in a barroom, brings fighting. He is a bully of the largest magnitude and he is doing to you what he has done successfully in business. He is SELLING and CONNING His main product being himself and not solutions of any kind for my country. Nice to hear someone criticize Obama, but do it based on issues and not simple generalities with no solutions.

Again, sorry if I offended you, but I can only imagine how the entire Bush family must feel after listening to Trump embarrass the family in the last week or so. He did it as he always does, sans facts or knowledge, just simply and pure nastiness and bluster.

I was excited about this election cycle and the opportunities it afforded. Trump has completely destroyed them

Guest
12-21-2015, 12:55 PM
I am not a Trump fan, but I do see the positive in having him draw the spotlight. Trump may be boorish, but he says what a lot of America wants to hear. They want someone to acknowledge their fears and worries. Why should the liberals be the only ones that can disparage everything in America that is what makes us strong? They talk dirt about conservatives, calling us racist, sexists and bigots. In the past, Republicans have held their tongues, trying to be PC and not offend anyone. Trump doesn't worry about it. I bet he never thought he would get this far. I bet he never even seriously considered the possibility of getting the nomination. He probably didn't even want it, until he accrued such a large following. No one would even be listening to the GOP campaign if not for Trump. No one even listens to the Democrat debates or listen to them speak. Trump speaks for a lot of us. He does what the Tea Party couldn't accomplish. Now, I hope that voters will realize that he has had his place in this campaign but now it's about time to seriously consider someone to give their vote to for president. I don't believe that Trump will gt the vote. THere is a big difference between polls and votes, especially in this case. America loves or hates Trump, but they will/should take their vote seriously.

Today, there are two viable GOP candidates, Cruz and Rubio. That can change before or during the primaries. There are others that may suddenly climb once the voting starts.

At this time, if I was to cast my vote, it would be for Rubio. He has the best chance of beating Hilary in the general. There is no perfect candidate, so some are going to have to hold their noses and vote for the one that WILL beat Hillary. America can not afford another Clinton in the White House, especially a criminal like Hillary. What would parents tell their children, that it is OK to break the law because they can grow up to be president?

Remember, there was only one PERFECT man in this world, and he was murdered on the cross by non-believers. There is no perfect candidate, so don't give up just because your guy isn't in the consideration.

Rubio is great candidate. ALL politicians can be criticized but he KNOWS the issues in detail, he KNOWS the problems inherent and he KNOWS solutions.

But again, he is at the mercy of the blowhard leading the polls (who do they talk to..they cannot possibly be thinking Republicans) He has been and will be ridiculed PERSONALLY by Trump because Trump cannot speak to the isssues.
If he is stumped he will always go to the lowest possible denominator.

It appears from some posts on here, that some want that kind of person as their President. I prefer someone with knowledge and a vocabulary that does not have to demean anyone else. Funny, we criticize the current President for so many of the things we seem to like about Trump.

Guest
12-21-2015, 12:57 PM
No one HAS to vote for Trump. For crying out loud, the election isn't even here yet. Instead of bashing Trump like the liberals, talk about the good in the other candidates so people can make their decisions based on fact. Trump is in the spotlight, so no one is hearing what the candidates have to say. You do NOT have to vote for Trump. There are still a lot of candidates to chose from.

Guest
12-21-2015, 01:02 PM
Rubio is great candidate. ALL politicians can be criticized but he KNOWS the issues in detail, he KNOWS the problems inherent and he KNOWS solutions.

But again, he is at the mercy of the blowhard leading the polls (who do they talk to..they cannot possibly be thinking Republicans) He has been and will be ridiculed PERSONALLY by Trump because Trump cannot speak to the isssues.
If he is stumped he will always go to the lowest possible denominator.

It appears from some posts on here, that some want that kind of person as their President. I prefer someone with knowledge and a vocabulary that does not have to demean anyone else. Funny, we criticize the current President for so many of the things we seem to like about Trump.

Unfortunately, Obama got elected just because of his harsh rhetoric. That's why there are so many following Trump. No one wants boring. Everyone wants someone that will look good on SNL, a celebrity. Well, we have seen what a celebrity is good for, in the last seven years. Failure.

Time to get realistic folks. Trump is not my first choice and I hope not yours either, because we do need someone that knows how to straighten this mess out. Romney is not available, so we still need someone that can speak well and also get things done.

I'm still looking at Rubio.

Guest
12-21-2015, 01:10 PM
No one HAS to vote for Trump. For crying out loud, the election isn't even here yet. Instead of bashing Trump like the liberals, talk about the good in the other candidates so people can make their decisions based on fact. Trump is in the spotlight, so no one is hearing what the candidates have to say. You do NOT have to vote for Trump. There are still a lot of candidates to chose from.

Tell this to the media....tell this to the candidate who are unable to be heard in anyway at all because of Trump (his game plan by the way)

I am bashing Trump as a very strong Republican as I watch this man destroy my party.

If people want to make their decisions based on facts, that would be wonderful but they are only hearing on candidate who has no facts...just bluster

Guest
12-21-2015, 01:18 PM
Vote Trump

Guest
12-21-2015, 01:34 PM
Vote Trump

Pretty much knowing the response to expect, allow me to ask.....

Please give us some specific reasons for your endorsement mentioning one or two specific and viable programs he has given with detail ?????

The generality of "making America great again" is nice words and rings like "Hope" and "Change we can believe in"

Guest
12-21-2015, 01:52 PM
I can't wait for the primaries so we can stop listening to all the BS about and from what the polls say.

Guest
12-21-2015, 02:34 PM
Well, I for one am not going to sit around whining like liberals and bashing the other candidates. We have some good Republican candidates representing us, so the only problem is choosing just one. Kind of like standing in a donut shop, having to choose from all the great flavors. Instead of focusing on the negatives of Trump, start making a decision on which one you want for the primary. Since I am more concerned about shrilary getting in there, I will choose the candidate that I think can beat her. Since ALL the candidates are better than her, I only have to figure in the one that can get more votes than her and vote for him. It does not matter which one is my favorite. I have to "compromise" and choose the one that can get the majority. All he has to do is sign Republican legislature, not much else. If he can stay away from the EO pen, we can all be happy. Lets put socialism where it belongs, in Europe. Let them fail, not us. WE have been doing exceptionally well until recently with our private sector system of capitalism. Smaller government and less nanny overreach is the way to go.

There are only two issues that are of importance:
National security
The economy

Kill the terrorists and secure our secrets
Allow the private sector to dictate the economy, not the gov.

Guest
12-21-2015, 03:43 PM
Don't worry, it will be Rubio that gets the nomination. Not the best choice, but better than any that the Dems have to offer.
Ann Coulter said that Rubio is too short to win.

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Guest
12-21-2015, 04:39 PM
Ann Coulter said that Rubio is too short to win.

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That's because she is too tall, Chi. In my opinion, Hillary is too ugly, and I don't mean that physically, although................

Guest
12-21-2015, 06:19 PM
That's because she is too tall, Chi. In my opinion, Hillary is too ugly, and I don't mean that physically, although................

Maybe just maybe, Ann Coulter wasn't talking about Rubio's height, when she said he was too short. Since her(?) restroom of choice is the men's room, she may have a first hand knowledge of Rubio's private parts. You know she wouldn't be looking at the ceiling, when getting rid of some of her liquid poison.

Guest
12-21-2015, 07:26 PM
Maybe just maybe, Ann Coulter wasn't talking about Rubio's height, when she said he was too short. Since her(?) restroom of choice is the men's room, she may have a first hand knowledge of Rubio's private parts. You know she wouldn't be looking at the ceiling, when getting rid of some of her liquid poison.

And there is the perfect example of a frustrated liberal. You win. now go away.

Guest
12-21-2015, 09:24 PM
Pretty much knowing the response to expect, allow me to ask.....

Please give us some specific reasons for your endorsement mentioning one or two specific and viable programs he has given with detail ?????

The generality of "making America great again" is nice words and rings like "Hope" and "Change we can believe in"
Every politician out there lies. Whatever plan they come up with never makes it through Congress unscathed. In my lifetime I have never seen anybody say so many outrageous things and not be castigated like Trump. He is still leading the polls. Maybe all the thoughtful people here in TV are wrong.