Radical claims just scare tactics?

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On the one hand, McCain has an ad linking Obama to Ayers. On the other, while on the campaign trail last week he tells his supporters they don't need to be afraid if Obama becomes president. So, guess the radical links really are Republican scare tactics rather than anything of true concern?

This campaign is just too ugly for words.

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the politicians lead on any subject. They ALL say and do what ever is relevant at any given moment.
The facts of the matter are, there are issues of concern for either candidate. In the case of Obama, like it or not, he is a late arrival on the scene and like it or not there are not many people that know any more about him than what he or his organizers want you to know.
It is also been proven that he has been tied to some pretty scary organizations by most average American standards.
Every body should be doing their own research on their candidates. The least important input is what is seen and heard on television or the media....it is trumped up information, usually slandering the opponent...rarely do we get much substance about them or the issues.

Unknown entities need more than how they walk and talk to reach a conclusion.

Say what all will....Obama is NOT a known enough entity to the American people. To the party loyalists and followers, we all know that does not matter.

There is an old saying that the devil you know is much easier to deal with than the one you don't!!!! Let it mean what ever one wants.

BTK

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Obama scares the heck out of me WITHOUT the scare tacktics are Red thinks warnings and data are.

If this weren't so imperative to know, I wouldn't be so adamant. But I do not want to find myself in the People's Republic of the United States.

With the events of both houses of Congress making us 'shareholders' in debt we don't want and taking over banks, AIG, etc., Socialism already has a big foot in the door.

Obama will finish the job. We will never be able to regain what we have lost at the hands of thugs and thieves we politely call our legislators.

I want accountability, not Socialism.

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The banks, savings and loans, insurance companies and investment banks have all essentially been socialized--or will be in the near future. And that happened at the end of an eight-year administration by a Republican President, and six of eight years under a Republican Congress.

Almost anyone could hardly do worse, regardless of their political party affiliation.

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Oh Redwitch,

I agree. I am so tired of all the slamming. Then after the elections, they kiss and make up. So BE NIce now!

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On the one hand, McCain has an ad linking Obama to Ayers. On the other, while on the campaign trail last week he tells his supporters they don't need to be afraid if Obama becomes president. So, guess the radical links really are Republican scare tactics rather than anything of true concern?

This campaign is just too ugly for words.

I dont understand....I DO understand what you are saying...what I am a bit confused about is the yelling, and I do mean yelling, that is going on about how Sen McCain is stoking fires of hatred and stuff like that...YET when he tries to settle folks down, it is thrown back as scare tactics rather than any concern.

Well...

Google any of these...

Obama Ayers
Obama Acorn
Obama Wright
Obama Alinsky (never knew him but studied his "ways")
Obama Frank Davis
Obama Farrakhan


There are others but you get the picture.

Here is the point...this is a man in his mid 40's who has "somewhat" of a link to a lot of folks with dubious or radical extreme views. A man in his mid 40's !!!

Name ONE...JUST ONE....member of any elected body with that many tenuos ties to radicals...JUST ONE !!!

Now, that alone should alert you a bit....those kind of "associations" or "affliations" would destroy any other person who wanted to run for ANY office yet alone President, yet we are asked to ignore it.

If you bring ANY of this up, you are racist...you are stirring things up....this is what the Clintons had to endure during the primary and now those who today control the Dem party (MOVEON, etc.) are involved.

These are the same folks..Moveon etc...who cheered for a movie that featured the assination of the President of the USA (not a fictiuous character..the sitting President) and various other hate movies who now claim the pot is being stirred or you are a racist.

I find it wrong of you to criticize Sen McCain for trying to be a straight shooter and simply get some folks off the muslim thing (which is ridiculous).

What I am able to say on here about the LOADS of associations in Sen Obama's background....Sen McCain would not be allowed...he would be "eaten alive". The frustration you are hearing is that folks KNOW about all this background but we are stymied in discussing it.

Even on here folks will call me racist...they have here and in pms...because I have brought up TRUTHS and FACTS, not something I made up...and I assure you I am not a racist...I have never mentioned race in anyway shape of form.

What kind of nation do we have that if you criticize a man who is a different color on his idealogy you are a racist. That is just dumb.

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I find it odd that some of the same claims are being made against Obama. Look at all the Anti-Christian remarks. Several claims of Communism and oh by the way he LIED to the American people. Its like an echo.....

The sad part is that this document circulated the day before John F Kennedy was shot and killed in Dallas.

Do we really want to go there again?

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I find it odd that some of the same claims are being made against Obama. Look at all the Anti-Christian remarks. Several claims of Communism and oh by the way he LIED to the American people. Its like an echo.....

The sad part is that this document circulated the day before John F Kennedy was shot and killed in Dallas.

Do we really want to go there again?


Cologal...sorry to disappoint you but dont know where you get your spin, but worse has been said and published about our current President and if you visit any website of the "kooky" variety you can find this stuff about what ever the opposing party is.

NOBODY, at least not me or anyone responsible has made any claims about treason or any such terms about Sen Obama (as HAS been made by our sitting President).

This just confuses the issue...what is being claimed is that Sen Obama has radical ties and ideologies...so very very much different. If the american people want that, so be it...it is just that nobody seems allowed to even prevent the case without being called some name such as racist !

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Cologal...sorry to disappoint you but don't know where you get your spin, but worse has been said and published about our current President and if you visit any website of the "kooky" variety you can find this stuff about what ever the opposing party is.

NOBODY, at least not me or anyone responsible has made any claims about treason or any such terms about Sen Obama (as HAS been made by our sitting President).

This just confuses the issue...what is being claimed is that Sen Obama has radical ties and ideologies...so very very much different. If the American people want that, so be it...it is just that nobody seems allowed to even prevent the case without being called some name such as racist !

Bucco.... I can't agree with you at all. Using his middle name, and in the case you are referring to, using it as his first name has only one point. Perhaps I should have said using it was HATE SPEECH and if you check the later posts I did say perhaps I was to strong.

I posted that poster because it is an example of HATE SPEECH in the 60's..it not for point by point detail. I cannot connect the dots between Obama and Ayers..its just not there in the way you want it to be. In the W's Ayers was a Radical....not a Domestic Terrorist...the Terrorist now has a specific meaning especially since 9/11. He became a respected university professor and then he met Obama. When Obama sat on the board with Ayers did Ayers bomb anything? How about now...what has he bombed lately?


And now then go further down the road....

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_campaign_goes_after_mic.php

This is getting totally ridiculous.....

I won't vote for McCain because:


He voted against equal pay for women
He voted against up armour for the troops
He try to derail the New GI bill and skipped the vote
My taxes will be higher under McCain
I used to respect him but now he has lost all that (lying)


Given all that how in the world do I pull the lever for him?

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who use President Bush as their reason to either vote for Obama or not vote for McCain. Since the war in Iraq has barely not been mentioned in the last days and weeks, let's exclude it.

The market was at it's all time high one year ago today. Everybody that could not afford a new house got one. All the speculators got $$$ from a system that would other wise never give them a dime. There was more growth and gain for everybody during the past 7 years. There has been a majority of Dems controlling Congress that since put in office has failed to do anything.y

To continue to gloss over the facts that Obama like it or not, has many, many questionable issues in his past. Just do your home work. Putting in the "other" party regardless who the candidate or his back ground is lemming like.
If after your real investigation Obama is your choice then so be it. But please stop using Bush as the reason....for crying out loud, Bush is not running.
And to accept the party first bluster that McCain is more of the same is just Horse droppings....media and party parroting rhetoric.

I suppose a Republican partisan proposal could be if it wern't for the record high levels of the stock market during the Bush administration your portfolios wouls be even one :cus: of a lot lower than they are at the moment. That makes as much sense as saying vote for Obama because of Bush!!!!

Does anyone know how many new jobs were created in the last 2 years? No, not likely. Does the media and partisan fluff ONLY talk about the jobs lost recently? Yes of course. Is the net job status from one year ago....jobs gained minus recent jobs lost + or - from the high? Why would anybody want to know that?

The media and the Obama money machine will only further distort the real status.

Where is the emergency legislation for energy independence? What a joke. Of course Congress is sitting on it continuing to do nothing....while the lemmings enjoy paying only $3 for gas.....then the Obama team (if he wins) can come on strong and attempt to do something to look like the saviors.

The media and the Obama machine will continue to stir the pot to frighten the American people...the do nothing lemmings....will fall for it.

I am not promoting McCain as the solution. I do not accept the premise of too many, including this forum who want to rationalize their choice based on Bush bashing. It is pure unadulterated :cus::cus:!!!!

Obama is hoping for a populist landslide. History has shown populists accomplish only one objective...they get elected. Congress winning the majority and accomplishing nothing should be as unacceptable to EVERYBODY that just blaming Bush.

Party first is not the answer. I can hardly wait for the new Presidents 1st State of the Union address....who ever it may be. That will be the only litmus test. Who will the lemmings have to blame for the then lack of results??? Pure and simple ELECTIONEERING.....very little substance....and even less truth!!!

How pitifull to be so easily swayed.....without real investigation.

BTK

PS....I can't eve say ther I feel better, because I don't have any confidence in ANY of what is being presented....by EITHER party. Shame on we the people for allowing doing nothing by any of them.

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Bucco.... I can't agree with you at all. Using his middle name, and in the case you are referring to, using it as his first name has only one point. Perhaps I should have said using it was HATE SPEECH and if you check the later posts I did say perhaps I was to strong.

I posted that poster because it is an example of HATE SPEECH in the W's..it not for point by point detail. I cannot connect the dots between Obama and Ayers..its just not there in the way you want it to be. In the W's Ayers was a Radical....not a Domestic Terrorist...the Terrorist now has a specific meaning especially since 9/11. He became a respected university professor and then he met Obama. When Obama sat on the board with Ayers did Ayers bomb anything? How about now...what has he bombed lately?


And now then go further down the road....



http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_campaign_goes_after_mic.php

This is getting totally ridiculous.....

I won't vote for McCain because:


He voted against equal pay for women
He voted against up armour for the troops
He try to derail the New GI bill and skipped the vote
My taxes will be higher under McCain
I used to respect him but now he has lost all that (lying)


Given all that how in the world do I pull the lever for him?

You really have me confused Cologal....

1. I do not seen anywhere in this thread "his" middle name at all, thus not sure why you brought it up. Plus, you know it IS HIS MIDDLE NAME..he will have to use it sometime. If his folks didnt cry hate and racist everytime his middle name is mentioned perhaps it would not be such a big deal !!

2. You are missing the Ayers connection totally. Nobody says he is a terrorist today, and nobody says he hasnt done some good things. HOWEVER, AS OF THIS MINUTE..he still maintains he did the right thing in killing people and bombing and says he did no wrong. THAT is the issue Cologal. I suppose if any person who bombs and kills does good work but does not repent and still feels that their killing was justified, it would be ok with you !!

3. You really have been reading Huffington and such places when you list those 5 things you did. To bring up his vote on the armor or the GI bill would be the same as me bringing up all the votes that Sen Obama did not cast in Chicago. You have got to know the real reason on both those issues I would hope !

4. If you are calling Sen McCain a liar because of the Ayers issue, you are slandering him for no reason. No lies have been told...please, but I know you wont do the googling I suggested.

5. But by far the most erronious error on your list of 5 things you list about Sen McCain that is the most unfounded and almost the exacxt opposite of reality is your statement on taxes. You have not seen taxes until you see what you will pay under Sen Obama...and I ask you to save this not until he is in office, if elected, for a bit and bring it out and read it..I can almost guarantee it.

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There's no sense at all trying to get liberals to understand this did not come from President Bush. I have my issues with him, but this is on the Dems and there is proof out of their own mouths.

Bush has given in and stopped fighting their idiocy. That makes him just as bad in my book. But, guess what -- HE'S NOT RUNNING.

The new Socialist Democrat Party platform is and that is the person of OBAMA.

So Colo or whomever does the JFK schtick, you're wrong. Jack Kennedy would be a Republican today.

Remember Ask not what your country can do for you... Well Obama says the country is going to everything for YOU. Ya get it !!

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So Colo or whomever does the JFK schtick, you're wrong. Jack Kennedy would be a Republican today.
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You are so right. JFK would not even qualify as a moderate Democrat, but whatever, he would be in a state of shock over the radical left wing takeover of a once very very proud party...one which I worked inside for years !

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Gee, I only found it interesting that McCain would have an ad tying Obama to Ayers and then tell his supporters that Obama is a good man and America has nothing to fear if he wins the presidency. Seems like a complete dichotomy to me.

As to his radical ties, I guess they really don't bother me all that much because if you look into my past and the past of most people who were in their late teens and early 20s in the 60s and 70s, you'd find many radical ties. That didn't mean we were radicals, it simply meant we knew many and were friends with them. Sometimes because they had the best dope, sometimes because they were the most interesting people, sometimes because we genuinely liked them.

Obama was raised by a mother and grandparents who were pretty much free thinkers. That pretty much guaranteed that he would be raised around radicals. So, this tie is, to me, tenuous at best.

I do have issues with Obama. I don't like how he came out of left field to run for the presidency. I don't like the fact that he is part of the Chicago political machine. I'm liberal, but that doesn't mean I believe that every liberal cause should be followed. I'm not convinced that Obama feels as I do.

All of that being said, if you like and respect McCain and believe him much of the time, then the radical issue should be tossed to the side, just as the Muslim issue seems to have finally died down. It was McCain who said Americans had nothing to fear from Obama as president after some of his supporters were screaming that Obama would bring socialism, Communism and radicalism to the White House if he became president. If McCain with his all of his resources says the man is genuine, maybe we should believe that he is and start looking at the issues, not the fears.

It really would be nice if a person's vote was based on what we felt the man could or could not do for the US and Americans in today's climate rather than worrying about ghosts. Personally, I want a President who is strong enough and savvy enough to be able to stand up to Congress and say the pork has got to stop; who understands that many Americans do need help but don't want a free ride, just a way to survive in today's world; who won't just start shooting from the hip but will actually do what is necessary to keep us out of unnecessary wars but be willing to stand up and fight if needed.

Yes, I'm leaning towards Obama but I truly haven't made up my mind. There are issues in my mind that haven't been resolved. For now, I know I'm not convinced that I want McCain. We still have a few weeks to see what both of these men do and say. Let's hope one of them shows some true Presidential qualities soon -- not just rhetoric.

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Gee, I only found it interesting that McCain would have an ad tying Obama to Ayers and then tell his supporters that Obama is a good man and America has nothing to fear if he wins the presidency. Seems like a complete dichotomy to me.

As to his radical ties, I guess they really don't bother me all that much because if you look into my past and the past of most people who were in their late teens and early 20s in the 60s and 70s, you'd find many radical ties. That didn't mean we were radicals, it simply meant we knew many and were friends with them. Sometimes because they had the best dope, sometimes because they were the most interesting people, sometimes because we genuinely liked them.

Obama was raised by a mother and grandparents who were pretty much free thinkers. That pretty much guaranteed that he would be raised around radicals. So, this tie is, to me, tenuous at best.

I do have issues with Obama. I don't like how he came out of left field to run for the presidency. I don't like the fact that he is part of the Chicago political machine. I'm liberal, but that doesn't mean I believe that every liberal cause should be followed. I'm not convinced that Obama feels as I do.

All of that being said, if you like and respect McCain and believe him much of the time, then the radical issue should be tossed to the side, just as the Muslim issue seems to have finally died down. It was McCain who said Americans had nothing to fear from Obama as president after some of his supporters were screaming that Obama would bring socialism, Communism and radicalism to the White House if he became president. If McCain with his all of his resources says the man is genuine, maybe we should believe that he is and start looking at the issues, not the fears.

It really would be nice if a person's vote was based on what we felt the man could or could not do for the US and Americans in today's climate rather than worrying about ghosts. Personally, I want a President who is strong enough and savvy enough to be able to stand up to Congress and say the pork has got to stop; who understands that many Americans do need help but don't want a free ride, just a way to survive in today's world; who won't just start shooting from the hip but will actually do what is necessary to keep us out of unnecessary wars but be willing to stand up and fight if needed.

Yes, I'm leaning towards Obama but I truly haven't made up my mind. There are issues in my mind that haven't been resolved. For now, I know I'm not convinced that I want McCain. We still have a few weeks to see what both of these men do and say. Let's hope one of them shows some true Presidential qualities soon -- not just rhetoric.


1. As I tried to say in my other post....Sen McCain has been calling out Sen Obama for ties to folks who were or are unrepented radicals who engaged in terrorist acts. THIS IS TO POINT OUT HIS IDEALOGY WHICH IS RADICAL. I do not recall ANY campaigner saying anything personal about Sen Obama and thus Sen McCain just wanted to temper the crowd, which I cannot for the life of me understand why he is not applauded for that. He has never called Sen Obama a terrorist.....he has never said anything except ABOUT HIS IDEALOGY WHICH IS RADICAL.

And by the way, you and your friends DID NOT BOMB OR KILL ANYONE and remain unapologetic about it or say you would do it again. THAT is a huge difference dont you think ?

2. Now listen....we are talking about his radical ties SIMPLY TO POINT OUT HIS RADICAL SOCIALIST IDEALOGY. I do look at the issues....and Sen Obama is a RADICAL LEFT WING socialist. PERIOD. That means that any Supreme Court Justices he appoints will be of that mold.....that means that he, Biden, Pelosi and Reid will be our leaders for at least two years. This country has never been that far left. To discuss issues you have got to know how folks act when it comes to a vote or an appointment. Sen McCain has a record to look at and make your own judgement...Sen Obama does not thus you need to look at his training and who he surrounded himself with to get some idea....and that equals radical left wingers. Now, that does not mean he is a bad man...I, nor anyone on here to my knowledge or anyone on the campaign trail has attacked Sen Obama PERSONALLY.

I hope this makes sense. You keep saying how Sen McCain said he was good guy or something. He simply did not go after him personally...he simply disagrees totally with his ideals and by pointing out his associations with left wing radicals that should do it but nobody wants to listen. It seems it is hate mongering or racist or something...and that is really %^&&*(&^ me off !!!

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They (the Usama people) claims that past relations dont matter. How come it you have past dubious relations you can not get a job with the U S Government. And.......... he wants the No 1 job in the USA.
Maybe Wall Street knows more than we think, remember that the markets look at the future, and it is really ugly what waits for us with an Usama presidency.

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Bucco...

I GIVE UP

I told you why I couldn't vote for McCain and they didn't come from the Huffington Post. But if they did why would it matter...they are still my reasons. You insult me and my intelligence....do you think I am some ditsy broad that needs somebody to tell her who to vote for? You make up your mind and I will make up mine.

So I will not vote for McCain you couldn't put a gun to my head and get me to vote for him.

I don't give a crap about Ayers, some black poet and the husband of a women from whom Obama bought a piece of land at market price.

I care about the economy..if you have looked its in the toilet. The last time the Dem's were in we had jobs, healthcare and a budget surplus.

I am all for that........

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Bucco, just because you haven't linked Obama to Muslims doesn't mean it hasn't happened. In fact, that link has been made many times, including many times here. His middle name has been used to the exclusion of his first and last name, in all caps no less, by at least one person who has posted here. Just because it has stopped (but I expect it to start since tha poster has come back) doesn't mean it didn't happen.

As to Ayers and his ilk, considering that I lived in Northern California and went to UCLA, it would be amazing if I didn't know many radicals who did in fact think that killing to get their point across was an acceptable act. Didn't mean I agreed with it but I do know I heard it said and I do know of some who were tried and convicted of some pretty serious crimes. I sincerely doubt any of them regret their acts of that time. Would they do the same thing today? Probably not. It was a different era and they were different people.

Some of my past friends and mentors: Angela Davis (she never apologized for her acts and has never said she regrets what she did); Lou Alcindor (can't really say Kareem was my friend but Lou was); Tommie Smith (again, not in the least apologetic); Bobby Seale (and, yes, I also knew Huey Newton but did not consider him a friend); and those are the ones who I can name off the top of my head. I'm sure if I thought long and hard, I could come up with several others that I'd known but probably wouldn't have called friends.

Of course, I could also name a lot of "good" guys that I liked, admired, respected and even revered.

I was not and am not a radical by any stretch of anyone's imagination. I could no more have marched against Vietnam than I could have tried to kill my child. It would have been wrong for me. I could not imagine wanting people to die to make a point. Even so, I had friends who did protest, who did feel murder was acceptable under certain circumstances. When the conversations turned to those type of acts, I would leave.

Obama knew Ayers well after Ayers had committed his acts. I understand Ayers saying that he doesn't regret his acts is in fact reprehensible but I can understand the comment. It was a different era. While I could never condone nor accept what the Weathermen and the Black Panthers did, I could and can understand why they did what they did and why they felt what they did was right. I think that is what Ayers meant: he feels that his actions were right for the time and, given the facts as he knew them then, he would do it again at THAT time and under THOSE circumstances. That doesn't mean he would do them today. The man Obama knows is not the man of the 60s. I doubt that the young Bill Ayers would have been able to stand being in the same room of the Bill Ayers today.

I think you also have to look at the fact that there is a huge difference in what a President wants to have happen and what does happen. Politics does tie a politician's hands. The Supreme Court appointee that is thought to be a diehard liberal can change (think Felix Frankfurter who advocated states' rights over and over). While it may be easier for a Democratic President to accomplsh some goals with a Democratic Congress, that doesn't mean the President gets a blank check. There really is a balance of power.

As I've said previously, I do understand your fears about Obama. I don't necessarily agree, but I do understand them. Arguing his voting record, I understand and it is a big issue in my mind. Disliking his association with Rev. Wright, I agree. Linking Obama to his grandparents' and mother's friends, I totally disagree. I really can't get worked up about Ayers. I don't like all that ACORN has done, is doing and probably will do in the future but I do believe they've also accomplished some good things, so I'm not overly upset about his association with that organization.

And, going back to my original point (AGAIN), why would McCain run an ad associating Obama to Ayers and then make a public statement to "temper" the crowd that implies that Obama is not a radical or a socialist? Either drop the ad that "you approved" or don't try to imply it isn't true to your supporters.

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Bucco...

I GIVE UP

I told you why I couldn't vote for McCain and they didn't come from the Huffington Post. But if they did why would it matter...they are still my reasons. You insult me and my intelligence....do you think I am some ditsy broad that needs somebody to tell her who to vote for? You make up your mind and I will make up mine.

So I will not vote for McCain you couldn't put a gun to my head and get me to vote for him.

I don't give a crap about Ayers, some black poet and the husband of a women from whom Obama bought a piece of land at market price.

I care about the economy..if you have looked its in the toilet. The last time the Dem's were in we had jobs, healthcare and a budget surplus.

I am all for that........


I am sorry Cologal...this post of yours make no sense at all.

Look, if you dont care about radical associations with your new President, then by all means vote for Sen Obama. If you dont give a "crap" about those associations then vote for Sen Obama.

Economy...hey, you been paying attention...if you read the letter that Sen McCain sent to congress TWO years ago warning them about Fannie mae and Freddy Mac....and that guy Raines who was in charge.....the guy who WAS ADVISING Sen Obama..remember him..he ran fannie mae and the Democrats you so roundly support stood tall in his defense. Well, your hero Sen Obama dropped him from his campaign like a hot potato.

Republicans were involved as well...lets be clear but you ALWAYS...100% of the time blame them and tout the Democrats. Seems you have had your mind made up all along to me.

But, if I offended you...dont know who...just tell you how I feel, I am sorry...

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I am sorry Cologal...this post of yours make no sense at all.

Look, if you don't care about radical associations with your new President, then by all means vote for Sen Obama. If you don't give a "crap" about those associations then vote for Sen Obama.

Economy...hey, you been paying attention...if you read the letter that Sen McCain sent to congress TWO years ago warning them about Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac....and that guy Raine's who was in charge.....the guy who WAS ADVISING Sen Obama..remember him..he ran Fannie Mae and the Democrats you so roundly support stood tall in his defense. Well, your hero Sen Obama dropped him from his campaign like a hot potato.

Republicans were involved as well...lets be clear but you ALWAYS...100% of the time blame them and tout the Democrats. Seems you have had your mind made up all along to me.

But, if I offended you...dont know who...just tell you how I feel, I am sorry...

I was offended when you said I got my reasons from the Huffington Post.

All party's involved have always maintained that Raine's never advised Obama..that claim has been proven to be false but the Republicans keep repeating it.

Bucco....look at my posts..I have always maintained that there was enough blame to go around for this economic crisis. That being said I never believed in Trickle Down economics....Now I will NEVER vote for anyone whose policies involve Free markets, deregulation and tax cuts for the rich. The middle class was abandoned during the last 8 years.

But that being said I, and the country, don't need the 2nd coming of Bush. To me that is what McCain represents. Just look at McCain's treatment of Obama at the debates. In the first one he wouldn't look at him. In the second he called him "That One". And there was his champaign trying to tie Obama to terrorism...so much so that people at his crowds shouted out "Kill Him"

I can't abide but that kind of campaigning....all you had to do was look at those crowds...it was scary. It got so bad McCain had to dial them back and got booed for it. If you whip people up it is hard to put the Genie back into the bottle.

You know that I am a Hillary girl...Obama is not my guy. My mail in ballot is on the dining room table. It has always been my intent to leave the President vote blank. But with the turn in the campaign I am no longer sure that is what I should do.

In 2000 I had great respect for John McCain...where did he go? This guy is a far cry from the 2000 John McCain.

This McCain I cannot vote for......

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I was offended when you said I got my reasons from the Huffington Post.

All party's involved have always maintained that Raine's never advised Obama..that claim has been proven to be false but the Republicans keep repeating it.

Bucco....look at my posts..I have always maintained that there was enough blame to go around for this economic crisis. That being said I never believed in Trickle Down economics....Now I will NEVER vote for anyone whose policies involve Free markets, deregulation and tax cuts for the rich. The middle class was abandoned during the last 8 years.

But that being said I, and the country, don't need the 2nd coming of Bush. To me that is what McCain represents. Just look at McCain's treatment of Obama at the debates. In the first one he wouldn't look at him. In the second he called him "That One". And there was his champaign trying to tie Obama to terrorism...so much so that people at his crowds shouted out "Kill Him"

I can't abide but that kind of campaigning....all you had to do was look at those crowds...it was scary. It got so bad McCain had to dial them back and got booed for it. If you whip people up it is hard to put the Genie back into the bottle.

You know that I am a Hillary girl...Obama is not my guy. My mail in ballot is on the dining room table. It has always been my intent to leave the President vote blank. But with the turn in the campaign I am no longer sure that is what I should do.

In 2000 I had great respect for John McCain...where did he go? This guy is a far cry from the 2000 John McCain.

This McCain I cannot vote for......


1. Mr Raines himself is the source of advising the Obama campaign. During an interview with the Washington Post and a photo shoot, he told a reporter that...this is an bit of that...

""In the four years since he stepped down as Fannie Mae's chief executive under the shadow of a $6.3 billion accounting scandal, Franklin D. Raines has been quietly constructing a new life for himself," Ms. Huslin's story began. "He has shaved eight points off his golf handicap, taken a corner office in Steve Case's D.C. conglomeration of finance, entertainment and health care companies and, more recently, taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing matters."

Now, of course both Obama and Raines will deny this, but whatever you want to believe is fine. I know for a fact that Sen McCain and a few others wrote TWO years ago warning congress about this situation...Sen Obama did not join in the letter. You make your own decision 1 NOTHING has been proven on either side thus your statement..."that claim has been proven to be false but the Republicans keep repeating it. " is simply not true.

2. Your second paragraph about the "2nd coming of Bush" is simply what Sen Obama has been telling you. Check the record on the men....OOPS, there is NO record for Sen Obama....listen, to vote for a radical JUST FOR CHANGE makes no logical sense to me at all. Actions at the debate made no influence on me. I listen to them and they both said NOTHING.....my decision is not made on body language on something this important.

3. As far as the crowds are concerned, as I said I do not know why Sen McCain is not being complimented but I suppose that mentality does not exist. The crowds were getting out of control I suppose with shouts...Sen Obama always has such well behave folks...anyway, Sen McCain wanted to temper the crowd so he tells them not to fear Sen Obama and guess what..he gets criticized for that..amazing. Sen Obama IS VERY SCARY, but nobody that I am aware of has ATTACKED HIM PERSONALLY OR HIS FAMILY IN ANY WAY....they are attacking his idealogy which is radical and of course in return are called either racist of hate mongers. Of course, it is ok to attack every single member of Gov Palin's family....Sen McCains wife, etc..that is fine. Go figure but nobody has attacked Sen Obama on a personal level to my knowledge...HIS IDEALOGY yes !

4. The turn in the campaign is too late and too soft. Sen Clinton should have attacked this area during the primary harder. She did but she and President Clinton were called all kinds of vile things because of it.
Sen McCains talks only about Sen Obama and his radical ideaology WHICH IS TOTALLY TRUE (see Ayers, Wright, and all) and he is called a hate monger and negative. So, in my opinion this should have been at the forefront of the campaign early on and should have been much more accented but our great media would have done worse to Sen McCain that what they are doing.
I am not sure why you dont think Sen Obama's idealogy and associates that give credence to that radical thiinking is not important and if brought up is negative. That to me, makes no sense at all.

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Colgal...just want to add a postscript to this.....I am tired of being called a racist and a hate monger because I think Sen Obama has a radical background and basis for his philosophies.

CNN, I think on thursday evening, had the exec director of ACORN on for a live exclusive talk. She said that they had registered over 1 million folks to vote and that "70% of them were of color"....her words,not mine. Now, had anyone on the other side said anything close to that it would be headlines the next day.

Then you add the Dem in Alabama who says that Sen McCain bringing up Ayers is like George Wallace making a racism issue.

Folks, what is going on ? Ever since the primary, if you hit home with Sen Obama you are immediately branded a racist, hate monger or all around bad person. Now, he personally doesnt do it of course.

Oh and by the way...if you read the game plan for radicals written by Sal Alinsky and studied by Sen Obama the tactics, as Sen Obama used as a community organizer, are similiar. Tell everyone how bad they have it (sound famaliar) and when they criticize you , turn it around on them (as with the race and hate stuff).

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Colgal...just want to add a postscript to this.....I am tired of being called a racist and a hate monger because I think Sen Obama has a radical background and basis for his philosophies.

CNN, I think on thursday evening, had the exec director of ACORN on for a live exclusive talk. She said that they had registered over 1 million folks to vote and that "70% of them were of color"....her words,not mine. Now, had anyone on the other side said anything close to that it would be headlines the next day.

Then you add the Dem in Alabama who says that Sen McCain bringing up Ayers is like George Wallace making a racism issue.

Folks, what is going on ? Ever since the primary, if you hit home with Sen Obama you are immediately branded a racist, hate monger or all around bad person. Now, he personally doesnt do it of course.

Oh and by the way...if you read the game plan for radicals written by Sal Alinsky and studied by Sen Obama the tactics, as Sen Obama used as a community organizer, are similiar. Tell everyone how bad they have it (sound famaliar) and when they criticize you , turn it around on them (as with the race and hate stuff).

Bucco, it should be evident by now, this name calling isn't winning McCain the election. Nothing is.

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Bucco, it should be evident by now, this name calling isn't winning McCain the election. Nothing is.



I posted a post about Sen McCain being called names and you turn it around to say he is calling names...WOW

He is pointing out associations with folks who are radical, as Sen Obama like to point out things. This just strikes a chord and thus the racist and hate monger comments. It is not hate when you simply tell folks who this man 9Sen Obama) has and WILL associate with. Did you call it hate mongering or racist when the Rev Wright thing came out ? Is it hate mongering or racist when there is more press on Gov Palin's every move and her family ? Is it hate mongering or racist when a Democrat speaks out and says to stop talking about Ayers; that it is like George Wallace ?

So, anytime you point out associations of the opponent that is hate mongering or racist if you are black ?

Was it racist when the head of ACORN said they registered over 1 million folks, "70% of color" ?

It is getting old to be called racist or hate mongerer at the drop of a that when you, as the minority thus can do just about anything including questioning Sen Mcains mental health, his flying record, his marriage....now that is NOT any kind of hate at all, right ?

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1. Mr Raines himself is the source of advising the Obama campaign. During an interview with the Washington Post and a photo shoot, he told a reporter that...this is an bit of that...

""In the four years since he stepped down as Fannie Mae's chief executive under the shadow of a $6.3 billion accounting scandal, Franklin D. Raines has been quietly constructing a new life for himself," Ms. Huslin's story began. "He has shaved eight points off his golf handicap, taken a corner office in Steve Case's D.C. conglomeration of finance, entertainment and health care companies and, more recently, taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing matters."

Now, of course both Obama and Raines will deny this, but whatever you want to believe is fine. I know for a fact that Sen McCain and a few others wrote TWO years ago warning congress about this situation...Sen Obama did not join in the letter. You make your own decision 1 NOTHING has been proven on either side thus your statement..."that claim has been proven to be false but the Republicans keep repeating it. " is simply not true.

2. Your second paragraph about the "2nd coming of Bush" is simply what Sen Obama has been telling you. Check the record on the men....OOPS, there is NO record for Sen Obama....listen, to vote for a radical JUST FOR CHANGE makes no logical sense to me at all. Actions at the debate made no influence on me. I listen to them and they both said NOTHING.....my decision is not made on body language on something this important.

3. As far as the crowds are concerned, as I said I do not know why Sen McCain is not being complimented but I suppose that mentality does not exist. The crowds were getting out of control I suppose with shouts...Sen Obama always has such well behave folks...anyway, Sen McCain wanted to temper the crowd so he tells them not to fear Sen Obama and guess what..he gets criticized for that..amazing. Sen Obama IS VERY SCARY, but nobody that I am aware of has ATTACKED HIM PERSONALLY OR HIS FAMILY IN ANY WAY....they are attacking his ideology which is radical and of course in return are called either racist of hate mongers. Of course, it is ok to attack every single member of Gov Palin's family....Sen McCains wife, etc..that is fine. Go figure but nobody has attacked Sen Obama on a personal level to my knowledge...HIS IDEALOGY yes !

4. The turn in the campaign is too late and too soft. Sen Clinton should have attacked this area during the primary harder. She did but she and President Clinton were called all kinds of vile things because of it.
Sen McCains talks only about Sen Obama and his radical ideaology WHICH IS TOTALLY TRUE (see Ayers, Wright, and all) and he is called a hate monger and negative. So, in my opinion this should have been at the forefront of the campaign early on and should have been much more accented but our great media would have done worse to Sen McCain that what they are doing.
I am not sure why you don't think Sen Obama's ideaology and associates that give credence to that radical thinking is not important and if brought up is negative. That to me, makes no sense at all.

Bucco....

All you have to do is to look McCain's tax proposals and you will see the second coming of Bush. I have 2 nephews in the military one of them has been to Iraq 4 times and wounded once. McCain wants us to stay in Iraq for 100 years.....How can we afford 10 billion dollars a month for an extended period of time? I don't want my nephews put in harms way for this totally stupid war.

I a totally tired of the MSM argument it no longer washes. AM radio is totally controlled by Conservative Right Wing Talk radio..Fox News is a mouthpiece for the Republican Talking points. MSM and CNN have some conservative and some liberal shows. I had to laugh when Couric was labeled as a left wing liberal. The Bush Administration has been very successful in tamping down the press.. Even McCain has thrown a reporter off his plane and canceled an interview due to things that were send.

At the debate Obama on almost every question said: And this is my plan or this is what I will do. Do you miss that? Cause I didn't.

The 60's were a bad time but look around we have much of the same conditions right now...A bad war and a less than popular President. We have had anti war marches but no bombs...nothing like the 60's.

I don't see what you see....And you can't see what I see. So we will have to agree to disagree. That is where I will leave it.

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I posted a post about Sen McCain being called names and you turn it around to say he is calling names...WOW

He is pointing out associations with folks who are radical, as Sen Obama like to point out things. This just strikes a chord and thus the racist and hate monger comments. It is not hate when you simply tell folks who this man 9Sen Obama) has and WILL associate with. Did you call it hate mongering or racist when the Rev Wright thing came out ? Is it hate mongering or racist when there is more press on Gov Palin's every move and her family ? Is it hate mongering or racist when a Democrat speaks out and says to stop talking about Ayers; that it is like George Wallace ?

So, anytime you point out associations of the opponent that is hate mongering or racist if you are black ?

Was it racist when the head of ACORN said they registered over 1 million folks, "70% of color" ?

It is getting old to be called racist or hate mongerer at the drop of a that when you, as the minority thus can do just about anything including questioning Sen Mcains mental health, his flying record, his marriage....now that is NOT any kind of hate at all, right ?

Let's get this clear Bucco. I didn't call you that. The point you're missing is that NONE of this matters anymore. Obama is eleven points ahead, and if race was not involved, according to CNN, he would be 16 points ahead. McCain would have to have one heck of an "Economic" October Surprise to catch up.

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It is interesting to note that the one place where McCain polls ahead of Obama is with conservative older voters, i.e. The Villages type of voters. We have to remember, we are just a small fraction of the voting populace in the country. I see many angry posts in this forum from both liberals and conservatives. No point getting your shorts in a bind - the national polls clearly show Obama ahead. Sarah Palin was a big "wow" factor a few weeks ago. Last night, she dropped the puck to a loud chorus of boos from the audience. The Republicans have put forth their proposals for fixing the country, and the Dems are still pulling ahead. So now, rather than focus on the issues, Republicans are pulling out the old smear campaigns, hoping for a miracle. I don't think its going to work - I think people are smarter than that.

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Bucco....

All you have to do is to look McCain's tax proposals and you will see the second coming of Bush. I have 2 nephews in the military one of them has been to Iraq 4 times and wounded once. McCain wants us to stay in Iraq for 100 years.....How can we afford 10 billion dollars a month for an extended period of time? I don't want my nephews put in harms way for this totally stupid war.

I a totally tired of the MSM argument it no longer washes. AM radio is totally controlled by Conservative Right Wing Talk radio..Fox News is a mouthpiece for the Republican Talking points. MSM and CNN have some conservative and some liberal shows. I had to laugh when Couric was labeled as a left wing liberal. The Bush Administration has been very successful in tamping down the press.. Even McCain has thrown a reporter off his plane and canceled an interview due to things that were send.

At the debate Obama on almost every question said: And this is my plan or this is what I will do. Do you miss that? Cause I didn't.

The 60's were a bad time but look around we have much of the same conditions right now...A bad war and a less than popular President. We have had anti war marches but no bombs...nothing like the 60's.

I don't see what you see....And you can't see what I see. So we will have to agree to disagree. That is where I will leave it.



Just want to acknowledge I am reading your post for whatever that is worth.

Please, it is yoru right to vote for a man you know NOTHING about except for his political speeches and ads...and I wish you well !

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Let's get this clear Bucco. I didn't call you that. The point you're missing is that NONE of this matters anymore. Obama is eleven points ahead, and if race was not involved, according to CNN, he would be 16 points ahead. McCain would have to have one heck of an "Economic" October Surprise to catch up.

No you did not call me that.

Yes, it appears that Sen Obama will win this election. We will have a president that we deserve..one that we know NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT except for his political ads and speeches.

I pray I am wrong about him, but I am usually pretty good at this and I dont think I am wrong in any way !!!


It already is beginning....the black vs white issues are jumping all over the place...ACORN wants to register as many black voters as possible..A Democrat in Alabama envokes the name of George Wallace...York County South Carolina some folks break in to the Republican hdquartes and spray paint the walls...with "Republican means slavery"....Sen Obama's co chair...Jessie Jackson's son says that Sen Obama is "acting too white"....Farrakahan calls Sen Obama the messiah...durinng the primary anyone who did not vote for Sen Obama and had the audacity to support Sen Clinton was doing so because of race........There is much more but you get the idea.

Again, he will be my president also and I sincerley hope I am wrong but there is so much to indicate that I am right on target. He will do the same thing as President that he has done in this race and the primary...I will take matching funds (OH NO...look at all this money..no I wont).....he will say...you criticize me because I am black anytime he is criticized and that will stir the pot.....he will get rightous when you use his given middle name and,not he,but his staff will say you are hate mongering.

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.....polls have nothing to do with what the individual will do...at the time....in the voting booth.
Polls are like surveys....constructed to reflect the outcome being sought.
Who ever wins.....the real proof of all the political fluster, bluster, BS, school yard shenaningans...etc....will be what this country looks like when the newbie President makes his first State of the Union.
Until then the loyalists can only hope they are making the right choice.
We will get a little insight to how that may go when we find out who the newbie picks as his cabinet....either one of the candidates that is. ....it ain't over till it's over.

BTK

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They (the Usama people) claims that past relations dont matter. How come it you have past dubious relations you can not get a job with the U S Government. And.......... he wants the No 1 job in the USA.
Maybe Wall Street knows more than we think, remember that the markets look at the future, and it is really ugly what waits for us with an Usama presidency.

At the time of my previous posting I did not know of an Islamic Economic Philosophy then I read something in this regard in the ticker that runs under the image on the television. I look in google and there it was the SHARIA Economic Law, and what do you know: It talks about INCOME RE-DISTRIBUTION, what a coincidence, this is the same Sharia Law that used to cut the hands of people by the barrel full in Afghanistan.

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At the time of my previous posting I did not know of an Islamic Economic Philosophy then I read something in this regard in the ticker that runs under the image on the television. I look in google and there it was the SHARIA Economic Law, and what do you know: It talks about INCOME RE-DISTRIBUTION, what a coincidence, this is the same Sharia Law that used to cut the hands of people by the barrel full in Afghanistan.

The future is beginning to look very scary !!!

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I read somewhere that people who continue to spew the illogical and unsubstantiated garbage that Senator Obama is a Muslim, is tied to radical Ayers, is tied to various Islamic groups, etc., ad nauseum, are indeed racist. They can't find it in themselves to vote for a black man. Yet those racist views are not acceptable in polite society, so unconciously they adopt these views which give them an acceptable reason (in their convoluted minds) for arguing against Obama. I think we have a number of people here in this forum who fall into that category. And there is no reason to keep up conversation with them. They're minds are set. We have a man running who was president of Harvard Law society. That takes such incredible intelligence, yet is virtually ignored. He did community organizing to help poor people, and he's cast as unpatriotic for some reason for doing that. The list goes on and on. He is a bright, charismatic person, with some new ideas, a leader at a time when we need one. He has inspired millions of new young voters to come to the polls. If you don't agree with him on the issues which have been prominently displayed in the media and on his web page, fine, vote for McCain. I personally don't see the point of the back and forth in this forum with people who can't come up with logical arguments, only emotionally charged rhetoric and regurgitated smears. And frankly, I am shocked that McCain who vowed he would run a clean campaign, has stooped to such nonsense. It certainly does not bring people in the country together.

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Bucco...

I GIVE UP

I told you why I couldn't vote for McCain and they didn't come from the Huffington Post. But if they did why would it matter...they are still my reasons. You insult me and my intelligence....do you think I am some ditsy broad that needs somebody to tell her who to vote for? You make up your mind and I will make up mine.

So I will not vote for McCain you couldn't put a gun to my head and get me to vote for him.

I don't give a crap about Ayers, some black poet and the husband of a women from whom Obama bought a piece of land at market price.

I care about the economy..if you have looked its in the toilet. The last time the Dem's were in we had jobs, healthcare and a budget surplus.

I am all for that........


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I read somewhere that people who continue to spew the illogical and unsubstantiated garbage that Senator Obama is a Muslim, is tied to radical Ayers, is tied to various Islamic groups, etc., ad nauseum, are indeed racist. They can't find it in themselves to vote for a black man. Yet those racist views are not acceptable in polite society, so unconciously they adopt these views which give them an acceptable reason (in their convoluted minds) for arguing against Obama. I think we have a number of people here in this forum who fall into that category. And there is no reason to keep up conversation with them. They're minds are set. We have a man running who was president of Harvard Law society. That takes such incredible intelligence, yet is virtually ignored. He did community organizing to help poor people, and he's cast as unpatriotic for some reason for doing that. The list goes on and on. He is a bright, charismatic person, with some new ideas, a leader at a time when we need one. He has inspired millions of new young voters to come to the polls. If you don't agree with him on the issues which have been prominently displayed in the media and on his web page, fine, vote for McCain. I personally don't see the point of the back and forth in this forum with people who can't come up with logical arguments, only emotionally charged rhetoric and regurgitated smears. And frankly, I am shocked that McCain who vowed he would run a clean campaign, has stooped to such nonsense. It certainly does not bring people in the country together.

I will take your post personally as I am anything but racist. I never ever not once said that Sen Obama was a muslim NOR do I remember ever hearing anyone on the campagin say that...EVER.

His inspiration of folks to vote if you are reading the news about ACORN is something this country should be ashamed of.

You chastise Sen McCain for NOT SAYING THAT SEN OBAMA IS A RACIST....but for saying his ties to radicalism are an issue in this campaign. He, Sen McCain, isthe man who tempered someof the crowds....he, Sen McCain has stayed away from Rev Wright yet you bring him down. It is ok with you and others that the Obama campaign..surely not him....can yell racist or hate and you respond in kind.

Sorry if you are going to imply that I am a racist you will here from me and trust me I am restraining myself. Dont use others to make yourself feel good about your feelings

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In case you are referring to me please note that I am Hispanic, there goes your racist call. I am just stating the facts. In case you dont know Saudi Arabia has spent BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollares building mezquitas (islamic centers) in the USA to promote the take over from within. We know arabs, Spain was dominated by them for 4 centuries. And when we see one we know. I would not care about the color, I will the first to vote for Collin Power or Condolezza Rice. It is no coincidence that all the left groups call racism when they are cornered. I did not invent the "fair distribution of wealth" neither did I know that it is the Sharia Law. Coincidence, maybe.

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I will take your post personally as I am anything but racist. I never ever not once said that Sen Obama was a muslim NOR do I remember ever hearing anyone on the campagin say that...EVER.

His inspiration of folks to vote if you are reading the news about ACORN is something this country should be ashamed of.

You chastise Sen McCain for NOT SAYING THAT SEN OBAMA IS A RACIST....but for saying his ties to radicalism are an issue in this campaign. He, Sen McCain, isthe man who tempered someof the crowds....he, Sen McCain has stayed away from Rev Wright yet you bring him down. It is ok with you and others that the Obama campaign..surely not him....can yell racist or hate and you respond in kind.

Sorry if you are going to imply that I am a racist you will here from me and trust me I am restraining myself. Dont use others to make yourself feel good about your feelings


I understand efrahin's arguments about racism. I don't agree with the theory but I understand it and I'm sure that it is true for some. I once called one member here a bigot for his non-stop tirade about Obama being a closet Muslim. That, to me, was and is true. If you stereotype all members of the Islam faith with the fanatic brush, you are a bigot in my mind. The vast majority of Muslims are good, kind, wonderful people. Like any religion, it is the extremists who make the news.

While it is true that no one on the Republican campaign (that I know of) directly said that Obama was a Muslim, it was said and implied by several conservatives both in print and on television (we'll ignore the internet on this one) -- the misspeaking by Obama of 57 states; the emphasis on his middle name; the fact he went to a Muslim school as a child; his father's and stepfather's history. That tactic failed and now it is the radical tar being applied.

You keep giving McCain credit for calming the crowd down when they were shouting "kill him" about Obama. If the Republicans and conservatives hadn't started the scare tactics of Obama being a Muslim and a radical, there would have been no need to calm the mob. McCain continues to attack the radical issue in his ads but says Americans have nothing to fear if Obama becomes president. Sorry, but that speaks of hipocrisy at its best.

Bucco, you get upset that people don't defend McCain and the attacks on him. What have been the attacks on him? That he was a lousy pilot? He was. That he speaks out of both sides of his mouth? He does -- he's a politician, it's part of the job description. That he has a temper? He does. That he's not the sharpest tack in the package? He's not -- graduating 2d from last from Annapolis doesn't say a lot.

So far, I haven't seen an Obama ad attacking McCain. I've seen ads attacking some of McCain's "solutions." I've seen ads approved by Obama attacking some of McCain's policy stances. But I have not seen a single ad directly attacking McCain. I wish I could say the same of McCain's ads. As long as McCain plays the radical card and then tells supporters that Obama is a good man and there is nothing to fear if Obama becomes President, I'll be wondering what the truth is -- is the radical background an issue and will Obama bring us to the brink of (or over) socialism or is it all campaign scare tactics that mean nothing?

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I, personally, distrust McCain so much, I think in his latest stunt they planted people in the audience, so he could come off as a semi-rational person. Woman: "Obama scares me, I think he's an Arab." McCain: "No, now Senator Obama is a decent person, not an Arab." I can see his teeth gritting as he said it! I just have absolutely no trust in anything McCain says or does.

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This is just getting ridiculous...when I was 10 all the talk was that JFK was going to turn the country over to the Pope. Look at how many children they are having and they have weapon stashes in the rec centers. To think that 48 years later I am hearing the same kind of BS is amazing.

Obama is not now nor never was a Muslim..get over it. He was born in Hawaii and is a US citizen. He is not going to turn us over to Islamic law...the President doesn't have that kind of power. That is why we have a balanced form of government. There are 3 equal powers..it is NOT a dictatorship. Although I believe that Bush and Cheney have flaunted Executive Privilege and Palin wants more of that it seems.

Obama is not trying to redistribute wealth...he is trying to give the middle class a well deserved tax cut. If you make less than $250,000 then you will get a tax cut. If not your taxes are going up. But then again you got a massive tax cut last time while the rest of us were left out. Geez I didn't even get the $300.00 stimulus package check. I make to much for that and not enough for the Bush tax cuts.

I will not live my life in fear..... I don't like John McCain but I don't fear him.

My vote has been cast... some Dem's some Repubs and no to all state constitution changes.

Have a nice day in TV.

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Cologal: If you were a 15 yrs old I could understand your posting.

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I understand efrahin's arguments about racism. I don't agree with the theory but I understand it and I'm sure that it is true for some. I once called one member here a bigot for his non-stop tirade about Obama being a closet Muslim. That, to me, was and is true. If you stereotype all members of the Islam faith with the fanatic brush, you are a bigot in my mind. The vast majority of Muslims are good, kind, wonderful people. Like any religion, it is the extremists who make the news.

While it is true that no one on the Republican campaign (that I know of) directly said that Obama was a Muslim, it was said and implied by several conservatives both in print and on television (we'll ignore the internet on this one) -- the misspeaking by Obama of 57 states; the emphasis on his middle name; the fact he went to a Muslim school as a child; his father's and stepfather's history. That tactic failed and now it is the radical tar being applied.

You keep giving McCain credit for calming the crowd down when they were shouting "kill him" about Obama. If the Republicans and conservatives hadn't started the scare tactics of Obama being a Muslim and a radical, there would have been no need to calm the mob. McCain continues to attack the radical issue in his ads but says Americans have nothing to fear if Obama becomes president. Sorry, but that speaks of hipocrisy at its best.

Bucco, you get upset that people don't defend McCain and the attacks on him. What have been the attacks on him? That he was a lousy pilot? He was. That he speaks out of both sides of his mouth? He does -- he's a politician, it's part of the job description. That he has a temper? He does. That he's not the sharpest tack in the package? He's not -- graduating 2d from last from Annapolis doesn't say a lot.

So far, I haven't seen an Obama ad attacking McCain. I've seen ads attacking some of McCain's "solutions." I've seen ads approved by Obama attacking some of McCain's policy stances. But I have not seen a single ad directly attacking McCain. I wish I could say the same of McCain's ads. As long as McCain plays the radical card and then tells supporters that Obama is a good man and there is nothing to fear if Obama becomes President, I'll be wondering what the truth is -- is the radical background an issue and will Obama bring us to the brink of (or over) socialism or is it all campaign scare tactics that mean nothing?


Redwitch...I agree with absolutely not one thing in your post, but I agree you have the right to feel anyway you want. Your post reads like a Democratic talking point one after the other. If you have not seen the attack ads by Obama...please take a look at factcheck (pretty evenly distributed by the two but you will find the LIES by both parties). If you think that anyone of any credence at all has called Sen Obama a muslim, I would love to hear who they are because it did not happen, HOWEVER, if you think that folks are calling Sen McCain racist for just about anything, that IS A FACT. But calling him that is not the same as being that.

The "radical card" as you call it, in Sen Obama's case is extremely valid...VERY MUCH SO. I wont go into it anymore...have done that for about 6 weeks and nobody has ONCE ever found fault with my facts, simply shrugged them off and say they are not important.

This paragraph of yours below...

"Bucco, you get upset that people don't defend McCain and the attacks on him. What have been the attacks on him? That he was a lousy pilot? He was. That he speaks out of both sides of his mouth? He does -- he's a politician, it's part of the job description. That he has a temper? He does. That he's not the sharpest tack in the package? He's not -- graduating 2d from last from Annapolis doesn't say a lot."

It is simply amazing to me that you would even attempt to put this into the same catagory as what we KNOW about Sen Obama....his TWENTY YEAR ASSOCIATION WITH REV WRIGHT....his associations with radicals and radical thinkers.

I am tired of this honestly and with respect. It just seems ok for people to make the simplest statements of no consequence (Pilots, Palin's family, etc), and the same folks to yell racism and hate on a crtique of their candidate instead of addressing it, to have Jessie Jackson's son say he is acting too white....and yet the same people say that the name calling is coming from Sen McCain.

You know I am not a McCain supporter in any way....I simply oppose the bashing of him without even considering anything at all negative about Sen Obama. It is as if he has some kind of halo over his head and if you hurt him, his staff will immediately call you racist, a hate mongerer, or being like George Wallace. I got news for you...the only mention of race comes from his supporters !!!!!!!!!!!!

Look...it appears he will be elected. I wish him well as he will be MY president as well. I pretty much know the direction it will go...his ENTIRE history, NOT HIS WORDS THE LAST FEW MONTHS....will show youthat direction.


I cannot tell you how much I sincerely hope I am wrong...I pray that I am not, but in my heart I KNOW I am not but it is too late...he has mesmerized so many folks and now even with the NATIONWIDE fraud going on with all the registration, even that is ok and no problem with americans. WOW...Sen McCain, whether right or wrong, leaves the campaign trail for one day early and it is headlines and he is scathed....we allow thousands and thousands of folks to register very blantanly with fraud and you would be hard stretched to find anyone to critique that.

To the following in your post...

"While it is true that no one on the Republican campaign (that I know of) directly said that Obama was a Muslim, it was said and implied by several conservatives both in print and on television (we'll ignore the internet on this one) -- the misspeaking by Obama of 57 states; the emphasis on his middle name; the fact he went to a Muslim school as a child; his father's and stepfather's history. That tactic failed and now it is the radical tar being applied."

I just refer you to the literally THOUSANDS of accusations about Gov Palin that were LIES and untrue but they seem to be acceptable. Why you bring this up I dont understand....geez, there have been attacks on McCain and his wife and their adopted children. To my knowledge noone nowhere has attacked the Obama family !!!


Redwitch..nothing personal I hope...I am giving up. Those who are swooning will not listen and are just looking to spalsh racism all over Sen McCain...I find that insulting to be honest and I am not talking about you at all. Pointing out idealogy of a candidate should not be a call to accuse the person who brings it up as a racist or hate mongerer...that racism is coming from somewhere else but you dont see it !~

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Cologal: If you were a 15 yrs old I could understand your posting.

Well if I was 10 in 1960 then I must be older than 15. Your statement that you can't be racist because you are Hispanic just ridiculous. Anyone can be a racist...

In 1960 many of the same things were being said as are being posted here. Only that time it was all about the Pope...he was a Papist and the country would be ruled by the Pope. Just silly. This time he is a "Muslim" and we will be turned over to a radical terrorist. Just as silly.

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Well if I was 10 in 1960 then I must be older than 15. Your statement that you can't be racist because you are Hispanic just ridiculous. Anyone can be a racist...

In 1960 many of the same things were being said as are being posted here. Only that time it was all about the Pope...he was a Papist and the country would be ruled by the Pope. Just silly. This time he is a "Muslim" and we will be turned over to a radical terrorist. Just as silly.


Please tell me where this MUSLIM thing is coming from ??? I see so many posters on here make the statement that Sen Obama is being called a muslim, yet the only folks I see talking about it are those who support him !!!

I think I saw ONE post on here saying something but most of the posters who mention it are supporting him ????

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Please tell me where this MUSLIM thing is coming from ??? I see so many posters on here make the statement that Sen Obama is being called a muslim, yet the only folks I see talking about it are those who support him !!!

I think I saw ONE post on here saying something but most of the posters who mention it are supporting him ????


Bucco, i think this might help,

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27157703/

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Bucco, i think this might help,

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27157703/


I am sure...there is also this website...

http://www.johnmccainrumors.com/

And I dont have time to list all the Gov Palin rumors.

This is not to in anyway say this is good on either side..it is just plain mean and stupid..but the SAME EXACT people who yell racist, muslim caller, etc, will talk about Gov Palin's family, Sen McCain's wife, etc.

I did not know about the website you supplied and thank you,,,it does put it a bit in perspective but from my perspective, the percentage of folks who believe this kind of stuff has got to be very small and not worth the effort to respond to. I keep hearing it on here as if it were on the daily news each day, and frankly, have never heard it mentioned EXCEPT on this board in the last 12 months...before that, yes !

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I am sure...there is also this website...

http://www.johnmccainrumors.com/

And I dont have time to list all the Gov Palin rumors.

This is not to in anyway say this is good on either side..it is just plain mean and stupid..but the SAME EXACT people who yell racist, muslim caller, etc, will talk about Gov Palin's family, Sen McCain's wife, etc.

I did not know about the website you supplied and thank you,,,it does put it a bit in perspective but from my perspective, the percentage of folks who believe this kind of stuff has got to be very small and not worth the effort to respond to. I keep hearing it on here as if it were on the daily news each day, and frankly, have never heard it mentioned EXCEPT on this board in the last 12 months...before that, yes !


i am with you there my man...