Obama's Christian Faith

[Guest]

The quiet impact of Obama (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/12/22/obama-faith/?wpisrc=nl_az_most)

Reading over this article today, which was dated yesterday really proves how the liberal media has a skewed way of seeing things.

First thing that I want to point out is that they portray Obama as a victim, a misunderstood Christian. Well, from Obama's actions and what he states is his definition of a Christian, does not coincide with what determines a Christian by Bible standards.

From the article:
"In his final year in office, Obama hopes to work with Republicans and evangelical Christians on criminal justice reform. He will make a renewed push on gun control and the closing of the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba."

Some time ago, Obama stated:
"My individual salvation depends on our collective salvation"

No Christian believes in a "collective salvation" in order to be saved.

The article is really pitiful and is an example of how the liberal media attempts to shape one's view of CHARLATANS.

Here he (Obama) is on Christianity:

1. “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”

2. “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”

3. “Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?”

4. “Even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages – the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity – are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life.”

5. “The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control and some of those opposed to gay marriage nevertheless are opposed to a Constitutional amendment to ban it. Religious leadership need not accept such wisdom in counseling their flocks, but they should recognize this wisdom in their politics.”

6. From Obama’s book, The Audacity of Hope: “I am not willing to have the state deny American citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights on such basic matters as hospital visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the same sex—nor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.”

7. Obama’s response when asked what his definition of sin is: “Being out of alignment with my values.”

8. “If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.”

9. “This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.”

10. “I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious makeup.”

11. “I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.”

12. “I’ve said this before, and I know this raises questions in the minds of some evangelicals. I do not believe that my mother, who never formally embraced Christianity as far as I know … I do not believe she went to hell.”

13. “Those opposed to abortion cannot simply invoke God’s will–they have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths.”

14. On his support for civil unions for gay couples: “If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount.”

15. “You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

16. “In our household, the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology”

17. “On Easter or Christmas Day, my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites.”

18. “We have Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, and their own path to grace is one that we have to revere and respect as much as our own”

19. “All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of the three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra— (applause) — as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them, joined in prayer. (Applause.)”

20. “I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.”

[Guest]

I read the article linked from the Washington Post. It had absolutely nothing about the "quotes" put in your posting.

The Post article was excellent.

[Guest]

Obama's Christian faith is so faithful to Christ that he is the first President to demand that the Presidential Christmas Tree be referred to as the Holiday Tree. Oops another Freudian slip like the 57 states that the press covered up as a simple faux pas but in actuality Obama was referring to the 57 Arab States with which he is more familiar.

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

I read the article linked from the Washington Post. It had absolutely nothing about the "quotes" put in your posting.

The Post article was excellent.

I apologize for not putting a crayon line in between the article excerpt and the additional quotes from his past. I assumed that after you read the article, you would understand that my comment was not from the article and the quotes were not either. In the spirit of the Holy days, I will leave it at that.

[Guest]

Interesting information:

[Guest]

Obama's Christian faith is so faithful to Christ that he is the first President to demand that the Presidential Christmas Tree be referred to as the Holiday Tree.
Personal Best Regards:

Well, this was just ANOTHER one of YOUR LIES! Go to Snopes.com and check out YOUR LIE as being false.

You can also go to the website of the National Christmas Tree that is set up in Pesident's Park in Washington, DC.

you have just proved - once again - that you are not relevant.

[Guest]

Obama was born a Muslim because his father was Muslim. That's the way it works. However, if he chooses to deny that he is Muslim and convert to Christianity, the Bible states that he must be born again, saved. And the only way to become saved is through Christ. Obama does not understand this, so if he does not understand this, then he is NOT a Christian regardless of what he claims. Any/ANY Christian will tell you this. I do not know where Obama obtained his information regarding salvation but it can NOT be obtained through the "collective." And he has never denied the Islamic faith either, at least in public. His quotes prove that.

I do not care if he is a Christian or not. But, I do care when he tries to use Christianity to push his agenda. He is a hypocrite and there is NO evidence that he is a Christian. I would have more respect if he would just be honest for a change. And I do NOT want him using faith to obtain his goals. Number one, liberals don't care about faith, if they even believe in anything other than government. Number two, he loses all credibility when he attempts to use faith as a tool to twist the truth about passing gun control, abortion issues and gay marriage, etc.

[Guest]

Obama was born a Muslim because his father was Muslim. That's the way it works. However, if he chooses to deny that he is Muslim and convert to Christianity, the Bible states that he must be born again, saved. And the only way to become saved is through Christ. Obama does not understand this, so if he does not understand this, then he is NOT a Christian regardless of what he claims. Any/ANY Christian will tell you this. I do not know where Obama obtained his information regarding salvation but it can NOT be obtained through the "collective." And he has never denied the Islamic faith either, at least in public. His quotes prove that.

I do not care if he is a Christian or not. But, I do care when he tries to use Christianity to push his agenda. He is a hypocrite and there is NO evidence that he is a Christian. I would have more respect if he would just be honest for a change. And I do NOT want him using faith to obtain his goals. Number one, liberals don't care about faith, if they even believe in anything other than government. Number two, he loses all credibility when he attempts to use faith as a tool to twist the truth about passing gun control, abortion issues and gay marriage, etc.

Ridiculous post on your part! Did you study this at your Villages Tea Bag meetings?

[Guest]

Ridiculous post on your part! Did you study this at your Villages Tea Bag meetings?

Sybil the liberal, what part do I need elaborate on? Should I give your mom a call and set up an appointment for your tutoring? Does she know that you use vulgarity on par with Trumps?

[Guest]

Sybil the liberal, what part do I need elaborate on? Should I give your mom a call and set up an appointment for your tutoring? Does she know that you use vulgarity on par with Trumps?

You are a master at your baiting.

[Guest]

Obama's Christian faith is so faithful to Christ that he is the first President to demand that the Presidential Christmas Tree be referred to as the Holiday Tree. Oops another Freudian slip like the 57 states that the press covered up as a simple faux pas but in actuality Obama was referring to the 57 Arab States with which he is more familiar.

Personal Best Regards:

PBR you must be very gullible or have an incredible imagination regarding your fixation. The trouble is that you seem to be moving into your castle in the sky.

White House Ban on 'Christmas' Trees : snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/ornaments.asp)

[Guest]

You are a master at your baiting.

Sometimes one has to lower themselves to the trolls level so that they (he) will go away. The only response to truth is for him to disparage the messenger. When that doesn't work, he acts the victim, seeking an apology. Old troll tactics get a bit tired after repetition. It really would be interesting if he would come up with some credible material to banter with.

[Guest]

PBR you must be very gullible or have an incredible imagination regarding your fixation. The trouble is that you seem to be moving into your castle in the sky.

White House Ban on 'Christmas' Trees : snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/ornaments.asp)

Dear Guest:

The snopes article said "White House" not "Obama"and so snopes may well have fallen short in the accuracy and validity of their response because they and we do not know who among the White House press spoke. However we do know that it was not Obama personally because they would have said "Barrack H. Obama"said....... And by the way who does a honesty/factual checks on snopes.com anyway.... just saying

We are talking about Obama's Christian faith. So tell me one just one thing were he showed concern for Christians {ONE.}? Just show me where he has demonstrated that he and his family are Christians?


This duck is a Muslim born and bred, looks like a Muslim, talks like a Muslim, walks like a Muslim has a Muslim name and wasn't even born in this country. But he had billionaire elitist internationalists who paved his way with gold to place their puppet in the most influential and powerful position in the world gave him false credentials and promoted him past Hillary whom by the way is woman scorned. I mean its so easy to do that illegals secure false credentials on a daily basis.

So perhaps you lack imagination and what you lack in imagination you gain in gullibility listening to progressive bupkus . And please learn how to read in between the lines or what Obama is not saying because it just hangs out there like a dark rain cloud....those subtle and sublime messages coming from this guy's mouth seething with his disdain and mockery of Christians and their bibles as well as middle America in general.

This my friend is not my imagination but is clearly demonstrated in every executive action this guy takes to circumvent Congress and every syncophant he places in federal agencies to do his work arounds,
lawlessness and breaches to the US Constitution. But perhaps you are too busy feeling that thrill of Obama (Chris Matthews-like) up your leg to notice

Wake up the guys a walking disaster.

I want to end on a friendly note . So Merry Christmas to you and yours and a joyous New Year!

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Dear Guest:

The snopes article said "White House" not "Obama"and so snopes may well have fallen short in the accuracy and validity of their response because they and we do not know who among the White House press spoke. However we do know that it was not Obama personally because they would have said "Barrack H. Obama"said....... And by the way who does a honesty/factual checks on snopes.com anyway.... just saying

We are talking about Obama's Christian faith. So tell me one just one thing were he showed concern for Christians {ONE.}? Just show me where he has demonstrated that he and his family are Christians?


This duck is a Muslim born and bred, looks like a Muslim, talks like a Muslim, walks like a Muslim has a Muslim name and wasn't even born in this country. But he had billionaire elitist internationalists who paved his way with gold to place their puppet in the most influential and powerful position in the world gave him false credentials and promoted him past Hillary whom by the way is woman scorned. I mean its so easy to do that illegals secure false credentials on a daily basis.

So perhaps you lack imagination and what you lack in imagination you gain in gullibility listening to progressive bupkus . And please learn how to read in between the lines or what Obama is not saying because it just hangs out there like a dark rain cloud....those subtle and sublime messages coming from this guy's mouth seething with his disdain and mockery of Christians and their bibles as well as middle America in general.

This my friend is not my imagination but is clearly demonstrated in every executive action this guy takes to circumvent Congress and every syncophant he places in federal agencies to do his work arounds,
lawlessness and breaches to the US Constitution. But perhaps you are too busy feeling that thrill of Obama (Chris Matthews-like) up your leg to notice

Wake up the guys a walking disaster.

I want to end on a friendly note . So Merry Christmas to you and yours and a joyous New Year!

Personal Best Regards:

:thumbup:

[Guest]

Dear Guest:

The snopes article said "White House" not "Obama"and so snopes may well have fallen short in the accuracy and validity of their response because they and we do not know who among the White House press spoke. However we do know that it was not Obama personally because they would have said "Barrack H. Obama"said....... And by the way who does a honesty/factual checks on snopes.com anyway.... just saying

We are talking about Obama's Christian faith. So tell me one just one thing were he showed concern for Christians {ONE.}? Just show me where he has demonstrated that he and his family are Christians?


This duck is a Muslim born and bred, looks like a Muslim, talks like a Muslim, walks like a Muslim has a Muslim name and wasn't even born in this country. But he had billionaire elitist internationalists who paved his way with gold to place their puppet in the most influential and powerful position in the world gave him false credentials and promoted him past Hillary whom by the way is woman scorned. I mean its so easy to do that illegals secure false credentials on a daily basis.

So perhaps you lack imagination and what you lack in imagination you gain in gullibility listening to progressive bupkus . And please learn how to read in between the lines or what Obama is not saying because it just hangs out there like a dark rain cloud....those subtle and sublime messages coming from this guy's mouth seething with his disdain and mockery of Christians and their bibles as well as middle America in general.

This my friend is not my imagination but is clearly demonstrated in every executive action this guy takes to circumvent Congress and every syncophant he places in federal agencies to do his work arounds,
lawlessness and breaches to the US Constitution. But perhaps you are too busy feeling that thrill of Obama (Chris Matthews-like) up your leg to notice

Wake up the guys a walking disaster.
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I want to end on a friendly note . So Merry Christmas to you and yours and a joyous New Year!

Personal Best Regards:

You are truly a delussional person and the best Christmas present you can hope for is a psychiatrist who prescribes heavy doses of anti-psychotic drugs for your long committment in a locked psychiatric ward.

[Guest]

You are truly a delussional person and the best Christmas present you can hope for is a psychiatrist who prescribes heavy doses of anti-psychotic drugs for your long committment in a locked psychiatric ward.

The person you disparage is too much of a polite person to respond in kind, but I am not. The only reason I won't call you an @$$h..e is because I am trying to be kind while we remember the Lord's birthday.

Next time you call someone out for bad spelling, take a look at your comment. I am sure that your parents will forgive you for sneaking into their alcohol cabinet, since it is a festive season. Although, if they are anything like you, they probably don't believe in the birth of our Savior.

[Guest]

The person you disparage is too much of a polite person to respond in kind, but I am not. The only reason I won't call you an @$$h..e.

You also should be locked up in that psycho ward with barfMr. PBR. Go away,barf non-relevant troll and do not return.

[Guest]

I should be locked up in that psycho ward. I will Go away, because I am a non-relevant troll and will not return.

Ok, that works for me. Have a great holy day, my little friend.

[Guest]

this forum is always full of surprises. Everytime we think we have heard it all (the name calling, the low level gutter thinking ansd off the wall BS) somebody comes forth and proves they can go lower and be more crude and disrespectful than any previous low.

[Guest]

You are truly a delussional person and the best Christmas present you can hope for is a psychiatrist who prescribes heavy doses of anti-psychotic drugs for your long committment in a locked psychiatric ward.

Dear Guest: I sincerely feel badly for you because reading in between the lines speaks to your frustrating agony causing your inability to respond in a civil and cogent manner (emotional outbursts).

I do not know if you are religious but whether a believer or not the bible offers solace, good advise, understanding of the nature of men and hope. Perhaps a verse or two will calm your emotions and clear the air toward more positive thinking .

I know that to be true because when life seems to be handing me more lemons than I need my eyes turn to this good book assisting me to put my thoughts in a proper perspective and priority.

When all is said and done the topics we discuss on political talk mean nothing compared with family et al.

Stay well....truly

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

The quiet impact of Obama (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/12/22/obama-faith/?wpisrc=nl_az_most)

Reading over this article today, which was dated yesterday really proves how the liberal media has a skewed way of seeing things.

First thing that I want to point out is that they portray Obama as a victim, a misunderstood Christian. Well, from Obama's actions and what he states is his definition of a Christian, does not coincide with what determines a Christian by Bible standards.

From the article:
"In his final year in office, Obama hopes to work with Republicans and evangelical Christians on criminal justice reform. He will make a renewed push on gun control and the closing of the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba."

Some time ago, Obama stated:
"My individual salvation depends on our collective salvation"

No Christian believes in a "collective salvation" in order to be saved.

The article is really pitiful and is an example of how the liberal media attempts to shape one's view of CHARLATANS.

Here he (Obama) is on Christianity:

1. “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”

2. “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”

3. “Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?”

4. “Even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages – the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity – are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life.”

5. “The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control and some of those opposed to gay marriage nevertheless are opposed to a Constitutional amendment to ban it. Religious leadership need not accept such wisdom in counseling their flocks, but they should recognize this wisdom in their politics.”

6. From Obama’s book, The Audacity of Hope: “I am not willing to have the state deny American citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights on such basic matters as hospital visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the same sex—nor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.”

7. Obama’s response when asked what his definition of sin is: “Being out of alignment with my values.”

8. “If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.”

9. “This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.”

10. “I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious makeup.”

11. “I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.”

12. “I’ve said this before, and I know this raises questions in the minds of some evangelicals. I do not believe that my mother, who never formally embraced Christianity as far as I know … I do not believe she went to hell.”

13. “Those opposed to abortion cannot simply invoke God’s will–they have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths.”

14. On his support for civil unions for gay couples: “If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount.”

15. “You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

16. “In our household, the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology”

17. “On Easter or Christmas Day, my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites.”

18. “We have Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, and their own path to grace is one that we have to revere and respect as much as our own”

19. “All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of the three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra— (applause) — as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them, joined in prayer. (Applause.)”

20. “I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.”

Go talk to your minister regarding your lack of tolerance. Maybe she can set you on the right path.

[Guest]

Go talk to your minister regarding your lack of tolerance. Maybe she can set you on the right path.

What do you know of tolerance? It's a commodity that is rarely observed coming from the left. Other than the tolerance for the criminal, and the radical.