If we live next to an Exec course, can we just walk on and play?

[VApeople]

Of course, we would never walk on if the course was busy. But if the course was not busy and there was a large break between groups, would there be a problem if my wife and I walked on and started playing? We would not use carts.

We now live in Virginia and we hope to sell our house in the Spring. After that, we plan to move to Florida and look for a house in The Villages.

Ideally, we would like to live on one of the Exec courses, especially if we can just walk on and play on occasion.

[Barefoot]

...... But if the course was not busy and there was a large break between groups, would there be a problem if my wife and I walked on and started playing?
You would need to talk to the Starter Shack for the course and be assigned a time to tee off. If the course wasn't busy, it's quite possible you would be able to play immediately.

[drcar]

Of course, we would never walk on if the course was busy. But if the course was not busy and there was a large break between groups, would there be a problem if my wife and I walked on and started playing? We would not use carts.

We now live in Virginia and we hope to sell our house in the Spring. After that, we plan to move to Florida and look for a house in The Villages.

Ideally, we would like to live on one of the Exec courses, especially if we can just walk on and play on occasion.

You must check in with the starter whenever you play. You do not check in first you will be asked to leave even if you live on the course and even if the course is empty.

[VApeople]

You must check in with the starter whenever you play. You do not check in first you will be asked to leave even if you live on the course and even if the course is empty.

OK, your answer is very clear.

Have you ever heard of anyone being asked to leave because they walked on the course and started playing?

[rustyp]

ok, your answer is very clear.

Have you ever heard of anyone being asked to leave because they walked on the course and started playing?

yes

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I once worked at a private club where the second tee and eighth green were near each other and adjacent to a public road. Many of the local residents had what they referred to as a two to eight membership.

You can certainly walk on to you executive golf course from your back yard, and everything will be fine........as long as you don't get caught.

[njbchbum]

Generic question from one who does not play golf nor live on a golf course...would just walking onto an exec [or any] golf course be considered proper golf etiquette?

[tomwed]

off topic alert:
Generally speaking, are golf course lots more expensive on championship courses or executive courses? Or are they about the same. Or are there many other considerations?

[golfing eagles]

Generic question from one who does not play golf nor live on a golf course...would just walking onto an exec [or any] golf course be considered proper golf etiquette?

on a scale of 1-10, it's a negative 14

[bagboy]

OK, your answer is very clear.

Have you ever heard of anyone being asked to leave because they walked on the course and started playing?

You will find many days from late spring to late October that many of the execs are pretty empty from late morning on. It's very easy to check in with the starter, then go right out to play golf.

[red tail]

assuming of course that you are dressed appropriately and have a villages id

[John_W]

Generally speaking, are golf course lots more expensive on championship courses or executive courses? Or are they about the same. Or are there many other considerations?

I live in Tamarind Grove and the street next to ours is Odessa Circle. On one of of Odessa the homes have a villa wall behind them, on the outer side of the circle they have Southern Star Executive behind them. Those homes sold for $135,000 more than the ones across the street. That was the going rate for a golf course lot in 2011 when they were built regardless of the type of course. The villa wall homes were also charged a premium for having the wall, even though some of them had yards no deeper than 12' to the wall. I believe golf course lots now go as high as $175,000 in the Brownwood area.

Once after I first moved year in 2011 I noticed the cart path at Southern Star Executive was very wide, about 6' to 10' and concrete and would make an excellent bicycle path and I would not have go out on the street to ride my bike. Even though I noticed that day there were hardly any golfers on the course, within two minutes of riding my bike a marshall told me to leave. So you can figure that anyone on the course who is not authorized to be there, will be asked to leave no matter what you're doing, even just walking or jogging.

[Bogie Shooter]

off topic alert:
Generally speaking, are golf course lots more expensive on championship courses or executive courses? Or are they about the same. Or are there many other considerations?

???

[tomwed]

I live in Tamarind Grove and the street next to ours is Odessa Circle. On one of of Odessa the homes have a villa wall behind them, on the outer side of the circle they have Southern Star Executive behind them. Those homes sold for $75,000 more than the ones across the street. That was the going rate for a golf course lot in 2011 when they were built regardless of the type of course. The villa wall homes were also charged a premium for having the wall, even though some of them had yards no deeper than 12' to the wall. I believe golf course lots now go as high as $175,000 in the Brownwood area.
Thank-you
When I bought 2 1/2 yrs ago the Evens Prairie lots were 155. I always wondered if the lots on sweetgum or mangrove were also 155. just curious

[Marathon Man]

Thank you for asking your question. Yes, check in with the starter.

[Dynsol]

NO!

[jchase]

Don't forget about the trail fees!

[bagboy]

The OP prefers walking so no trail fee required.

[Bogie Shooter]

Most times it pays to read all the posts.....

[Barefoot]

Most times it pays to read all the posts.....
I wonder why people don't read previous posts to see if the question has already been answered. :confused:

[tomwed]

Boredom? To keep a conversation going?

[jebartle]

Amazing!.... Because, you can buy a golf front home on Mira Mesa, 3 bedroom, 2 bath, with pool for 329,000. I personally would rather buy on Mira Mesa and not have a BOND in the La Reynolda Village, or Valle Verde Village. Different strokes for different folks!





I live in Tamarind Grove and the street next to ours is Odessa Circle. On one of of Odessa the homes have a villa wall behind them, on the outer side of the circle they have Southern Star Executive behind them. Those homes sold for $135,000 more than the ones across the street. That was the going rate for a golf course lot in 2011 when they were built regardless of the type of course. The villa wall homes were also charged a premium for having the wall, even though some of them had yards no deeper than 12' to the wall. I believe golf course lots now go as high as $175,000 in the Brownwood area.

Once after I first moved year in 2011 I noticed the cart path at Southern Star Executive was very wide, about 6' to 10' and concrete and would make an excellent bicycle path and I would not have go out on the street to ride my bike. Even though I noticed that day there were hardly any golfers on the course, within two minutes of riding my bike a marshall told me to leave. So you can figure that anyone on the course who is not authorized to be there, will be asked to leave no matter what you're doing, even just walking or jogging.

[graciegirl]

I read your question to my husband and he said, "He must be pulling your leg". And then he said, "If he plays golf he must know that you can't do that on any course in the world".


And I say no, even if it's empty. You start at the starter shack. Period and Amen.

[CFrance]

OP, there was another thread on a similar subject here: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/golf-after-starter-shacks-close-115659/?highlight=golf+dusk

Might be of help.

[VApeople]

I read your question to my husband and he said, "He must be pulling your leg". And then he said, "If he plays golf he must know that you can't do that on any course in the world".


We are members of a private golf club in Northern Virginia and several of our members live next to the course. Late in the afternoon, some of them walk on to the course and play a few holes before dark. Of course, they never cut in front of other groups. No one has ever complained about them doing this.

Since people do it at our club and since all Villagers can play for free on the Exec courses, I wondered if people did it in The Villages.

[fred53]

We are members of a private golf club in Northern Virginia and several of our members live next to the course. Late in the afternoon, some of them walk on to the course and play a few holes before dark. Of course, they never cut in front of other groups. No one has ever complained about them doing this.

Since people do it at our club and since all Villagers can play for free on the Exec courses, I wondered if people did it in The Villages.

some folks do it in the villages. The problem is that if they get caught they can be banned. Is it really worth it with so many areas to practice and so easy to get a tee time even in high use season(I've never, ever failed to get a tee time as a single).

[VApeople]

OP, there was another thread on a similar subject here: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/golf-after-starter-shacks-close-115659/?highlight=golf+dusk


That was a very good thread. Thanks very much for mentioning it.

[tmbromley]

Absolutely not. Spoken like a person that knows nothing about the game. First of all the champion golf courses cost money to play. That would be totally improper and that goes for the executive courses as well. That's like breaking in line or sneaking in thru a back door into a movie theater. I'm actually surprised at this question! When you get here they give you a book of rules for the golf courses; I suggest you read it and all your questions will be answered.

[justjim]

We are members of a private golf club in Northern Virginia and several of our members live next to the course. Late in the afternoon, some of them walk on to the course and play a few holes before dark. Of course, they never cut in front of other groups. No one has ever complained about them doing this.

Since people do it at our club and since all Villagers can play for free on the Exec courses, I wondered if people did it in The Villages.

We have belonged to Private Clubs but the ones where we belonged in Illinois and Tennessee never would allow you to just walk on and start playing golf, and it didn't matter if you lived in a million dollar house on the golf course or was President of the Board of Directors.

When you belong to a Club, it is important that all members are treated equal. I suspect that is also true and the idea here in TV.
Your Club in Virginia is a rare exception and not the rule.

Gof course lots are a matter of supply and demand. Prices rise accordingly.

[CFrance]

Absolutely not. Spoken like a person that knows nothing about the game. First of all the champion golf courses cost money to play. That would be totally improper and that goes for the executive courses as well. That's like breaking in line or sneaking in thru a back door into a movie theater. I'm actually surprised at this question! When you get here they give you a book of rules for the golf courses; I suggest you read it and all your questions will be answered.
Calm down. He said he plays golf, so he doesn't "know nothing about the game." He said he belongs to a private club that allows this to happen. He said he would live on an executive course, (free) not a champion course. Nobody has any proof that every single golf club in the US does not allow this practice.

He asked a simple question, and people are jumping all over him. Just not right.

[graciegirl]

Calm down. He said he plays golf, so he doesn't "know nothing about the game." He said he belongs to a private club that allows this to happen. He said he would live on an executive course, (free) not a champion course. Nobody has any proof that every single golf club in the US does not allow this practice.

He asked a simple question, and people are jumping all over him. Just not right.



Those of us who gave our opinion all play Golf. It is very uncommon and looked down on to just walk on a course. It is using property without permission. Some of us have played for decades and played all over the country. I have lived in golf course communities for the last forty years. People would really look down on you if you just walked on without a starter. I guess you CAN, but should you?


Also, you are not supposed to walk for exercise or walk your dog on the course after hours.

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[CFrance]

I play golf too now. I know the rules. I was commenting on the snarkyness of some of the answers to a simple question. No reason to accuse someone of not knowing the game of golf. No reason not to take his initial statements at face value. No reason to be mean.

Go back and read the link I posted. Even some ambassadors allow this to happen. Read Buggyone's post: "If the executive starter shacks are closed in the late evening, there is no problem in going out on your own.

"In this off season, you can just go to almost any executive course after 3 and find it wide open. You will not be paired up hardly ever. I went to Hawks Bay at 6 this evening, played 9 holes with a buddy and home at 7:30."

[graciegirl]

I play golf too now. I know the rules. I was commenting on the snarkyness of some of the answers to a simple question. No reason to accuse someone of not knowing the game of golf. No reason not to take his initial statements at face value. No reason to be mean.

Go back and read the link I posted. Even some ambassadors allow this to happen. Read Buggyone's post: "If the executive starter shacks are closed in the late evening, there is no problem in going out on your own.

"In this off season, you can just go to almost any executive course after 3 and find it wide open. You will not be paired up hardly ever. I went to Hawks Bay at 6 this evening, played 9 holes with a buddy and home at 7:30."


I apologize. I thought you were a non golfer.

[Barefoot]

Read Buggyone's post: "If the executive starter shacks are closed in the late evening, there is no problem in going out on your own.


The starter shacks currently close at 5:01 PM, and it gets dark by 6 PM.
I think the shacks usually close about an hour before dark. So golfers occasionally slip on and golf a few holes before dark.
Not many because it's feeding time in The Villages.
However, if the starter shack is open, it's necessary to check in with them.

[VApeople]

Also, you are not supposed to walk for exercise or walk your dog on the course after hours.

That's very interesting. At our Country Club, people do both. On days when the course is open, we often see walkers in the very early morning or late evening. When the course is closed because of bad weather, my wife and I often go there, have lunch, and go for a walk, staying on the cart paths, of course.

We also see people walking their dogs in the late evening, and almost all of them have the sense to keep the dogs on a leash. Once I had an unleashed dog come charging up to me while barking in a menacing manner, so I pulled out one of my clubs and took a swing at it. The dog backed off and its owner quickly came up and put a leash on it. Other than that one incident, no problems.

[graciegirl]

That's very interesting. At our Country Club, people do both. On days when the course is open, we often see walkers in the very early morning or late evening. When the course is closed because of bad weather, my wife and I often go there, have lunch, and go for a walk, staying on the cart paths, of course.

We also see people walking their dogs in the late evening, and almost all of them have the sense to keep the dogs on a leash. Once I had an unleashed dog come charging up to me while barking in a menacing manner, so I pulled out one of my clubs and took a swing at it. The dog backed off and its owner quickly came up and put a leash on it. Other than that one incident, no problems.



This place is different than any place I have ever known, AND it is MUCH larger than most people are expecting. It works because people, FOR THE MOST PART, respect the deed restrictions and the rules and are intrinsically caring and respectful of others, FOR THE MOST PART..


I love it here. Golf is very different than golf in the outside world, but I still love the golf-y atmosphere, and the beautiful vistas of golf courses everywhere. And I have always loved golfers. Real golfers pretty much always act like ladies and gentlemen.

[bagboy]

So now you know... No walking on...No leisurely walks...No dog walking. Thank you for asking.

[tomwed]

......

[CFrance]

The starter shacks currently close at 5:01 PM, and it gets dark by 6 PM.
I think the shacks usually close about an hour before dark. So golfers occasionally slip on and golf a few holes before dark.
Not many because it's feeding time in The Villages.
However, if the starter shack is open, it's necessary to check in with them.
That's true. But in the summertime, do they adjust their hours? Doesn't get late till 7 or so.

[VApeople]

Real golfers pretty much always act like ladies and gentlemen.

I agree with that. Most of us who play a lot of golf know how to act.

One of the members of our Board of Directors at our club, a very good golfer, often walks his dog along the perimeter of our course during the day. He never interferes with our play and is never in our line of vision when we are hitting our shots, so it is not a problem.

Occasionally I see people, like high-school kids, walking on our course and we can tell they have no idea what they are doing. I don't think they understand how far golf balls travel and how wild some golfers are. None of them have ever been hit, to my knowledge.

[Barefoot]

That's true. But in the summertime, do they adjust their hours? Doesn't get late till 7 or so.
Yes, the later it gets dark, the later the starter shacks stay open.
I think there is always a window of an hour or so after the shacks close when people could slip on and golf a few holes.
I get the feeling walk-ons are discouraged, perhaps a liability issue?
We certainly wouldn't want a golfer to have a medical problem with no-one around.

[Barefoot]

So now you know... No walking on...No leisurely walks...No dog walking. Thank you for asking.
That pretty much sums it up!

[justjim]

Yes, the later it gets dark, the later the starter shacks stay open.
I think there is always a window of an hour or so after the shacks close when people could slip on and golf a few holes.
I get the feeling walk-ons are discouraged, perhaps a liability issue?
We certainly wouldn't want a golfer to have a medical problem with no-one around.


Residents at many executive courses are lined up as the starter shack closes so they can play golf. I've seen them. It doesn't appear to me that the "Starter" cared that they were going to play following the closing of the shack. Unless there has been a recent change in policy this happens on a regular basis.

There is approximately just north of an hour of daylight left for golfers as they "slip" on the course to golf.

[VApeople]

Residents at many executive courses are lined up as the starter shack closes so they can play golf. I've seen them.

Why in the world would they do that, when they can play for free anytime?

[VApeople]

We certainly wouldn't want a golfer to have a medical problem with no-one around.

A heart attack on a golf course. Do you know of a better way to go?

[Bogie Shooter]

Why in the world would they do that, when they can play for free anytime?

It's only free if you are walking.........

[justjim]

Why in the world would they do that, when they can play for free anytime?

Many times it's beginners and other times just a person or couple wanting to play a few holes to practice their golfing skills.

[tomwed]

Why in the world would they do that, when they can play for free anytime?
cart fees? they hit extra balls?

[VApeople]

cart fees?

Don't most people who use carts on Exec courses pay semi-annual or annual trail fees?

they hit extra balls?

At any time of day, that is extremely rude if people are waiting.

[tmbromley]

Don't mean to jump on the guy - sorry. But he did ask if there was an opening or apparent slow time during the day if he could just start playing - that doesn't sound like someone that is aware of how his just jumping in or in my opinion, breaking in line, can affect play. That's just not cool on executive courses or championship courses. Now with that said it is obvious to those of us that live here and especially those that live on courses there are times when play is done for the day at executive courses or during the summer the courses close and there is still a bit of daylight - is it cool then - well maybe but you do it at your own risk. Say on a championship course - if they were to catch you the consequences if done repeatedly could mean losing your privileges on an executive course no one there and probably doesn't matter. But let me add - lots of folks that do that think that the executive courses are practice facilities - THEY ARE NOT. I am a seasoned golfer and every time I get to a green whether championship or executive I find tons of ball marks and I fix 3 or 4 every time I get to them. Bunkers not raked - foot prints all over left by the "privileged" which is tiresome - I also rake other foot prints if I get in one. Many don't even know the proper way to fix a ball mark even when they try. Executive courses are treated poorly by the "beginners" and that's being kind. I say this in the spirit of helping the game.

There is a beginner course all that are new to the game or trying to learn how to play better should take. Read the rules of golf and especially the rules of etiquette. It will help the rest of us that play in a timely and considerate fashion.

That's all I'm trying to say.

[Polar Bear]

Playing late in the day, particularly during the summer and at some of the more "difficult" courses, can be a very pleasant experience...an almost empty course to play at one's leisure as the sun sets. Doesn't get much better than that imho.

[graciegirl]

Don't mean to jump on the guy - sorry. But he did ask if there was an opening or apparent slow time during the day if he could just start playing - that doesn't sound like someone that is aware of how his just jumping in or in my opinion, breaking in line, can affect play. That's just not cool on executive courses or championship courses. Now with that said it is obvious to those of us that live here and especially those that live on courses there are times when play is done for the day at executive courses or during the summer the courses close and there is still a bit of daylight - is it cool then - well maybe but you do it at your own risk. Say on a championship course - if they were to catch you the consequences if done repeatedly could mean losing your privileges on an executive course no one there and probably doesn't matter. But let me add - lots of folks that do that think that the executive courses are practice facilities - THEY ARE NOT. I am a seasoned golfer and every time I get to a green whether championship or executive I find tons of ball marks and I fix 3 or 4 every time I get to them. Bunkers not raked - foot prints all over left by the "privileged" which is tiresome - I also rake other foot prints if I get in one. Many don't even know the proper way to fix a ball mark even when they try. Executive courses are treated poorly by the "beginners" and that's being kind. I say this in the spirit of helping the game.

There is a beginner course all that are new to the game or trying to learn how to play better should take. Read the rules of golf and especially the rules of etiquette. It will help the rest of us that play in a timely and considerate fashion.

That's all I'm trying to say.


And very well said. I agree with every word. And during regular play except for par fours, golf carts aren't allowed off path on executive courses except with a handicap permit, and those are sometimes abused. I know that many folks do go on the courses after they are closed and the starter has left.


I wasn't trying to be snarky either, but well just read this post above again.

[tomwed]

Don't most people who use carts on Exec courses pay semi-annual or annual trail fees?

You're right most do,,,renters don't,,,people trying to save $8 don't,,someone asked a question and I gave my opinion. You sound upset with my opinion, are you?

At any time of day, that is extremely rude if people are waiting.

I don't think after hour golf carries the same rules of etiquette. If someone is taking too long you go around them. It's not like you're going to get in 9 holes. This doesn't mean any player is excused from fixing marks or raking traps. I use to think every trap is is re raked by a tractor before play every morning---now I don't.

[VApeople]

I don't think after hour golf carries the same rules of etiquette.

I very much disagree. The rules of etiquette in golf always apply.

If I am playing when our course is not crowded, I will often hit some practice shots, especially out of the sand. Of course, I carefully rake my footprints and fix all ball marks.

When I am doing this, I will NEVER hold up anyone playing behind me. I can't imagine anyone being that rude.

[Polar Bear]

I very much disagree. The rules of etiquette in golf always apply...

I very much agree.

[Polar Bear]

I don't think after hour golf carries the same rules of etiquette...
Disagree wholeheartedly.
...It's not like you're going to get in 9 holes...
During the daylight-savings-time months, I regularly get in 9 holes after the shacks close.

[Barefoot]

I don't think after hour golf carries the same rules of etiquette.:ohdear: Like Polar Bear and VApeople, I think the rules of etiquette always apply.

[tomwed]

Sorry
If you are going too slow I will go around you.
I won't putt out. I won't look for a ball I lost in the fairway. I don't keep score. Hell, I might even ground my club in a sand trap.

Born to be wild.

[VApeople]

Sorry
If you are going too slow I will go around you.
I won't putt out. I won't look for a ball I lost in the fairway. I don't keep score. Hell, I might even ground my club in a sand trap.

Born to be wild.

None of those violate golf etiquette. Grounding your club in a bunker is OK, as long as you rake the bunker afterwards.

This reminds me of the story of a couple who were having sex in the bunker of a private upscale golf club. They were discovered by someone who then told them to leave, especially since they were not members of the club.

As they were leaving, they asked how he knew they were not members. He said, "Because members would have raked the bunker."

Golf etiquette is very important when you are on a golf course, even if you are not playing golf.

[fred53]

I don't think after hour golf carries the same rules of etiquette. If someone is taking too long you go around them. It's not like you're going to get in 9 holes. This doesn't mean any player is excused from fixing marks or raking traps. I use to think every trap is is re raked by a tractor before play every morning---now I don't.

but it is a special place we have here. Even if a machine/people raked the bunkers every morning when a person enters the bunker they should always rake it properly when leaving it. This helps ensure that the next person in gets a proper chance of a good lie.

Just because you and others haven't bothered to learn how to properly execute a bunker shot doesn't mean you should not be giving someone the best lie you can. It's not just etiquette...it's good manners and consideration.

Just as bad...people dragging their feet on the greens...there goes any chance of a semi-smooth surface on which to putt. If you can't lift your feet then wear smooth tennis shoes.

[CFrance]

Disagree wholeheartedly.

During the daylight-savings-time months, I regularly get in 9 holes after the shacks close.So it IS okay to walk on after the starter shacks close? I am getting very confused by this thread.

[tomwed]

So it IS okay to walk on after the starter shacks close? I am getting very confused by this thread.
I don't feel like rereading everything. Is it OK to walk on after the shacks close? If you live on the course or plan on buying on a course that would be important to know. I know you can't walk on the champs. The family or the corp own the champs.

[Polar Bear]

This is one player's experience. Do not consider it by any means to be binding in any way, shape or form...

The Executive courses are not closed as far as I know after the starter shack closes. Residents with a paid-up-to-date Executive Golf Trail fee would not owe anything to play. So I think it makes perfect sense that the Executive courses are not closed when there is still plenty of playable daylight left. If you do not have the aforesaid paid-up trail fee, I don't believe you can legitimately play after hours, because you would owe a trail fee.

The Championship courses are a different beast altogether. Nobody can just walk on and play without paying a greens fee. In the long-day seasons, you can start playing on a Championship course after the shacks close and an Ambassador, who will be on duty until dusk, will stop and write you an official 'ticket' so you can go by the clubhouse the next day and pay your greens fee. But you cannot go on the course after the shacks close and expect to play for free.

[tomwed]

This is one player's experience. Do not consider it by any means to be binding in any way, shape or form
In fewer words, you don't know. honest answer

[Polar Bear]

In fewer words, you don't know. honest answer

My answer was already honest. I don't think it really needed clarification.

(By the way...are you really the one to advocate "fewer words"?)

[tomwed]

My answer was already honest. I don't think it really needed clarification.

(By the way...are you really the one to advocate "fewer words"?)
yep

[Polar Bear]

yep

nope

[dotti105]

The Championship courses are very strict about after hours use.

Shortly after moving here, one day during the summer my hubby and I decided to take an evening drive on a championship course in my golf cart, staying on the cart path of course. We wanted to get a good view of the sunset and the courses are so beautiful.

We hadn't gone 20 ft and someone in a (non ambassador) cart came racing up to us and read us the riot act. He ranted and raved and telling us he was an off duty ambassador, made it very clear that we were not welcome after hours. He was rather rude, no actually, VERY rude.

On the other hand, we live across from the Kildeer 8th green on the Evan's Prairie course. Often in the evening we see walkers, leisurely walking the cart trail or even biking. They aren't in anyone's way, but they are "breaking the rules" as we were.

You certainly won't find us reprimanding them for enjoying the evening.

But rules are rules......especially on the Championship courses.

[golfing eagles]

Sounds pretty unusual for an ambassador, especially off duty. Either he feels like he personally owns the course, or he was jealous that you lived on it. After all, an off duty ambassador hardly has the same obligations as an off duty police officer.

[rustyp]

Of course, we would never walk on if the course was busy. But if the course was not busy and there was a large break between groups, would there be a problem if my wife and I walked on and started playing? We would not use carts.

We now live in Virginia and we hope to sell our house in the Spring. After that, we plan to move to Florida and look for a house in The Villages.

Ideally, we would like to live on one of the Exec courses, especially if we can just walk on and play on occasion.

60 plus responses from the usual Village's experts - still clear as mud. How about this idea - pick up the phone, dial 750 4558 = Tee Time office and ask the question.

[mulligan]

I'll try to clarify. The execs are private property owned by the CDD. They make the rules. Up til now, they have chosen not to enforce the trail fees for after hours play. If and when that becomes an issue due to crowding late in the day, or complaints from homeowners along the courses, they have the ability and the right to collect trail fees, or remove after hours golfers. So far it has not been much of an issue, but that could change with the increase in population. Keep in mind that the execs are private property.

[CFrance]

60 plus responses from the usual Village's experts - still clear as mud. How about this idea - pick up the phone, dial 750 4558 = Tee Time office and ask the question.
That would probably get you the "Official No," whereas it might be something that is overlooked, as in Polar Bear's experience.

[CFrance]

OP, here's a suggestion. If you find a house you like on a golf course, go for it. If "they" ask you to leave the course after hours, you still have a house you like with a great view.

[tomwed]

60 plus responses from the usual Village's experts - still clear as mud. How about this idea - pick up the phone, dial 750 4558 = Tee Time office and ask the question.
I called the office, Jody answered and you are not allowed to play the execs after hours.

[ajbrown]

I'll try to clarify. The execs are private property owned by the CDD. They make the rules. Up til now, they have chosen not to enforce the trail fees for after hours play. If and when that becomes an issue due to crowding late in the day, or complaints from homeowners along the courses, they have the ability and the right to collect trail fees, or remove after hours golfers. So far it has not been much of an issue, but that could change with the increase in population. Keep in mind that the execs are private property.

Thanks for the post. It certainly matches my experiences playing after the starter goes home. If the powers to be ever feel they need to change something (which I doubt they will), I hope the change is to keep the starter there until dusk.

IMO people who have paid the trail fee and residents that walk should be allowed to play until the sun goes down.

[D&Lsunfun]

yesterday at 4pm, after checking in at Tarpon Boil, we started to play and noticed a lady appeared on the course with
a pull cart, between a group of 4 and a twosome. she played 3 holes and saw the ambassador and back tracked walking off the course between houses. she knew she was wrong but just had to try it.

[Bogie Shooter]

yesterday at 4pm, after checking in at Tarpon Boil, we started to play and noticed a lady appeared on the course with
a pull cart, between a group of 4 and a twosome. she played 3 holes and saw the ambassador and back tracked walking off the course between houses. she knew she was wrong but just had to try it.

How do you know she was wrong......did you ask her? Maybe she had a call and had to go..........

[VApeople]

yesterday at 4pm, after checking in at Tarpon Boil, we started to play and noticed a lady appeared on the course with
a pull cart, between a group of 4 and a twosome.

I wonder why she didn't just ask to join the twosome.

A few years ago, three of us guys were ready to tee off when a young lady asked to join us. She ended up being a pretty good player.

On the last hole, she had a very tricky 4-footer that we knew would slide to the right. She said, "If I sink this putt, I will break 90, so if you help me sink it, I will give you the best sex you ever had."

Right away, one guy said she should hit it firm for the left edge and the other guy suggested she play for two inches of break and hit it soft.

Then she asked me what I thought, and I said, "It's a gimmie as far as I'm concerned."

[tmbromley]

You do it at your own risk - it's not "legal" but who's there to care. The ambassador stays 30 minutes usually after the shack closes so that's the situation - you fill in the blanks. The Villages policy is that no one is allowed on but people do it anyway. It's just not appropriate when play is still happening and the shack is open then you have to check in with the starter. Come on this isn't rocket science - there are times when you can get away with it and you won't affect play - simple as that.

[tmbromley]

Rules of etiquette apply when regular play is occurring but still you should be respectful of others and especially the course. Raking traps and fixing ball marks and it's not ok to stand on a tee with a bag of balls and start firing away at the green - either in regular hours of operation or when it's closed. The executive courses are not PRACTICE facilities that's what practice facilities are for - end of story.

[Barefoot]

You must check in with the starter whenever you play. You do not check in first you will be asked to leave even if you live on the course and even if the course is empty.
The OP's question was answered by drcar in post #3 on December 24 - assuming the OP wants to "follow the rules".

[golfing eagles]

The OP's question was answered by drcar in post #3 on December 24 - assuming the OP wants to "follow the rules".

and since drcar is a manager at a championship course, he knows.

[VApeople]

Your answers have been very clear. Every player must check with the starter before teeing off. If there is no starter, it seems that play is still allowed, but the player must observe standard golf etiquette. No holding up other golfers, and no hitting an excessive number of practice shots.

Personally, I am glad The Villages takes their rules very seriously. Thanks for all of your responses.

[Bogie Shooter]

But, wait...........................only 80 posts!:duck:

[tomwed]

Your answers have been very clear. Every player must check with the starter before teeing off. If there is no starter, it seems that play is still allowed, but the player must observe standard golf etiquette. No holding up other golfers, and no hitting an excessive number of practice shots.

Personally, I am glad The Villages takes their rules very seriously. Thanks for all of your responses.
Not as clear as you think. Play is not allowed. You are trespassing. A trespasser that observes etiquette is like a customer that walks out of a restaurant without paying the bill but leaves a tip.

[Polar Bear]

Not as clear as you think. Play is not allowed. You are trespassing. A trespasser that observes etiquette is like a customer that walks out of a restaurant without paying the bill but leaves a tip.
Gross overstatement imho.

Whether or not it might be technically against some rule or another, play is allowed. It's done so commonly in the summer that there is no doubt the powers-that-be know it happens. It's simply a no-harm-no-foul situation.

And I'm not really convinced it's against the rules. It's legal to play the champs after the shack closes in the summer. The Ambassador gives you a "receipt" when he crosses your path, and you go to the clubhouse to pay your green fees the next day...perfectly legal and sanctioned. And for residents who have paid their annual trail fees, I fail to see any difference for the Executives. You simply don't have to go pay your fees...they're already paid.

[tomwed]

Gross overstatement imho. It's done so commonly in the summer that there is no doubt the powers-that-be know it happens. It's simply a no-harm-no-foul situation.
I agree. We all pick and choose what rules we overlook and what laws we obey. We don't all admit it.

[Polar Bear]

I agree. We all pick and choose what rules we overlook and what laws we obey. We don't all admit it.
And some pick and choose how high their horse is.

And like I said, I don't agree that any rules are being broken. So regarding picking and choosing which laws one chooses to obey, don't generalize. You can only speak for yourself. I'll give you credit...at least you admit it.

[tomwed]

And some pick and choose how high their horse is.

And like I said, I don't agree that any rules are being broken. So regarding picking and choosing which laws one chooses to obey, don't generalize. You can only speak for yourself. I'll give you credit...at least you admit it.
Call Tee Time office at 750-4558 like I did and ask them the rules.
Stand on a corner like I did and count the cars and carts that roll through stop signs. It's over 90%.
I'm not on the high horse. I'm on the low horse with everyone else that rolls through stop signs and trespasses on the execs after hours.
Besides who cares what you and I think besides our children. Their values reflect ours.

[Barefoot]

Call Tee Time office at 750-4558 like I did and ask them the rules.
I think it "against the rules" to play after the starter shack closes, but it certainly is done. It's quite possibly a liability issue.
Perhaps The Villages doesn't want golfers on the course unless they know they are golfing and the course is being regularly patrolled.
I think The Villages knows it's being done, especially by people who live on a golf course and just play a few holes.
By making it "against the rules", perhaps that negates The Villages liability. :confused:

[tomwed]

I think it "against the rules" to play after the starter shack closes, but it certainly is done. It's quite possibly a liability issue.
Perhaps The Villages doesn't want golfers on the course unless they know they are golfing and the course is being regularly patrolled.
I think The Villages knows it's being done, especially by people who live on a golf course and just play a few holes.
By making it "against the rules", perhaps that negates The Villages liability. :confused:
Here's my theory. And correct me if I'm wrong. I don't feel like looking into it.
The champs are owned by the corp. Don't play those after hours or there will be consequences.
We own the execs. You are not supposed to play them but because we own them everyone will turn a blind eye.

I'm sorry Barefoot. It took a little time but that's what you said.

[fred53]

Gross overstatement imho.

Whether or not it might be technically against some rule or another, play is allowed. It's done so commonly in the summer that there is no doubt the powers-that-be know it happens. It's simply a no-harm-no-foul situation.

And I'm not really convinced it's against the rules. It's legal to play the champs after the shack closes in the summer. The Ambassador gives you a "receipt" when he crosses your path, and you go to the clubhouse to pay your green fees the next day...perfectly legal and sanctioned. And for residents who have paid their annual trail fees, I fail to see any difference for the Executives. You simply don't have to go pay your fees...they're already paid.

the problem all courses have is people trying to avoid paying to play. On the championship you aren't supposed to go on the course after the starter has left the shack...period. Yes if the ambassador sees you he/she may come up and give you something as a reminder to pay the next day...on the exec. courses you can go out after hours, but there are quite a few of them that haven't paid a trail fee and they too will be given something to remind them to pay it the next day. There are also people who go out to play after hours that are not Villagers, wearing inappropriate clothing(yeah I know some think it's not a big deal, but it's a rule and easy to abide by), with kids running all over the place, dog walkers(other than legit service dogs-and they are supposed to stay in the cart),& bicyclists to name a few.

Many of the after hours crowd really tear up a course and then the next day legit golfers pay the price. It's not right, so don't do it!

[Polar Bear]

...Many of the after hours crowd really tear up a course and then the next day legit golfers pay the price. It's not right, so don't do it!
From my experience, no more so than golfers at any hour. But we agree totally...don't tear up the course...no matter where or when you play.

[Polar Bear]

Call Tee Time office at 750-4558 like I did and ask them the rules.

As a matter of fact I did. And I called the pro shop of the course I wanted to play. And I called the golf administration office in MVP. All of them described to me the system I described earlier for playing after hours. So please stop trying to convince readers that these late-hour players are trespassers, et. Al. with less than your standard for moral character.



Not only have I called, but I've had discussions with folks at these offices, complimenting them on a system which generates revenue for the developer and allows legitimate, responsible players the opportunity to use the courses at times they would otherwise sit unused and empty...at a time of day considered by many, including me, to be the most beautiful time of day to play. These folks have fully agreed that it is a system valued by those who use it and does nothing but good...except for those who choose to see it otherwise.



I'm out. Have your last word.

[Bogie Shooter]

But, wait...........................only 80 posts!:duck:

See what I mean?
There sure many different ways to say the same thing!

[mulligan]

Here's my theory. And correct me if I'm wrong. I don't feel like looking into it.
The champs are owned by the corp. Don't play those after hours or there will be consequences.
We own the execs. You are not supposed to play them but because we own them everyone will turn a blind eye.

I'm sorry Barefoot. It took a little time but that's what you said.

Ill put up post #81. "WE" do NOT own the exec courses. They are owned by the district, the district makes the rules, and they are considered to be private property. The various country clubs simply supply warm bodies to collect fees, direct traffic, and attempt to maintain some semblance of order.

[tomwed]

Your answers have been very clear. Every player must check with the starter before teeing off. If there is no starter, it seems that play is still allowed, but the player must observe standard golf etiquette. No holding up other golfers, and no hitting an excessive number of practice shots.

Personally, I am glad The Villages takes their rules very seriously. Thanks for all of your responses.

60 plus responses from the usual Village's experts - still clear as mud. How about this idea - pick up the phone, dial 750 4558 = Tee Time office and ask the question.

I called the office, Jody answered and you are not allowed to play the execs after hours.

Here's the new problem. When PolarBear called they said you are allowed to play the execs after hours.

Wait a second. Give me a chance to get on my high horse. It was easier for me when I was younger. OK--I'm ready.


How much are you spending on this house? It seems to me you should be making all the phone calls since you are the one that has the most to gain or loose. Why don't you let us know what the operator tells you. I predict, you won't. That takes effort.

OK- i'm done. I'll get down now.

[CFrance]

60 plus responses from the usual Village's experts - still clear as mud. How about this idea - pick up the phone, dial 750 4558 = Tee Time office and ask the question.

I called the office, Jody answered and you are not allowed to play the execs after hours.

Here's the new problem. When PolarBear called they said you are allowed to play the execs after hours.

Wait a second. Give me a chance to get on my high horse. It was easier for me when I was younger. OK--I'm ready.


How much are you spending on this house? It seems to me you should be making all the phone calls since you are the one that has the most to gain or loose. Why don't you let us know what the operator tells you.

OK- i'm done. I'll get down now.
I don't think it would matter if OP called them himself. Either a) the answer will be No, or 2) the answer will be Yes. Nobody at TV knows the real answer either! And TV frequently doesn't enforce its own rules. So just try it. It's easier to beg forgiveness than seek permission. I saw a "house for sale" sign along El Santiago last week. That has big holes, though, so you might not like it.

if you buy a golf course house, you might get to play after hours, and you might not. But you'll still have a lovely view.

[tomwed]

I don't think it would matter if OP called them himself. Either a) the answer will be No, or 2) the answer will be Yes. Nobody at TV knows the real answer either! And TV frequently doesn't enforce its own rules. So just try it. It's easier to beg forgiveness than seek permission. I saw a "house for sale" sign along El Santiago last week. That has big holes, though, so you might not like it.

if you buy a golf course house, you might get to play after hours, and you might not. But you'll still have a lovely view.
I read every pdf I could find on golfing in the villages. I would think it would be in writing someplace, but it's not or I couldn't find it.

[rustyp]

I am finding this thread fascinating. I can't figure out if these posts are for real or are you all just tweaking each other ? At the end of the day a reasonable adult would come to the conclusion for executive golf 1. if the starter is there - check in. 2. If the starter is not there (pretty rare at this time of year) go play. Make sure you have you Villages ID and if on a golf cart your trail fee is up to date. Don't cut in front of anyone and respect the course as you normally would. I doubt if anyone is going to Villages Jail for acting in this manner. FYI - the starter times were lengthened several years ago due to this very subject except what was happening was non resident people were coming in after hours and jumping onto the courses. Although I have not gone out after hours in the past several years I used to before the starter time was lengthened. Often an ambassador would show up out of nowhere and ask to see your ID. Also ask if your trail fee was paid. If yes to A and B the usual have a nice day was the response.

Now if we are going to tweak - can you deduct the bond off your taxes ?

[Bogie Shooter]

I am finding this thread fascinating. I can't figure out if these posts are for real or are you all just tweaking each other ? At the end of the day a reasonable adult would come to the conclusion for executive golf 1. if the starter is there - check in. 2. If the starter is not there (pretty rare at this time of year) go play. Make sure you have you Villages ID and if on a golf cart your trail fee is up to date. Don't cut in front of anyone and respect the course as you normally would. I doubt if anyone is going to Villages Jail for acting in this manner. FYI - the starter times were lengthened several years ago due to this very subject except what was happening was non resident people were coming in after hours and jumping onto the courses. Although I have not gone out after hours in the past several years I used to before the starter time was lengthened. Often an ambassador would show up out of nowhere and ask to see your ID. Also ask if your trail fee was paid. If yes to A and B the usual have a nice day was the response.

Now if we are going to tweak - can you deduct the bond off your taxes ?

If the tax man is watching, no.....................if he is not, yes......................

[Boomer]

I am finding this thread fascinating. I can't figure out if these posts are for real or are you all just tweaking each other ? At the end of the day a reasonable adult would come to the conclusion for executive golf 1. if the starter is there - check in. 2. If the starter is not there (pretty rare at this time of year) go play. Make sure you have you Villages ID and if on a golf cart your trail fee is up to date. Don't cut in front of anyone and respect the course as you normally would. I doubt if anyone is going to Villages Jail for acting in this manner. FYI - the starter times were lengthened several years ago due to this very subject except what was happening was non resident people were coming in after hours and jumping onto the courses. Although I have not gone out after hours in the past several years I used to before the starter time was lengthened. Often an ambassador would show up out of nowhere and ask to see your ID. Also ask if your trail fee was paid. If yes to A and B the usual have a nice day was the response.

- - - - - - - - - - -

Now if we are going to tweak - can you deduct the bond off your taxes ?



Aw, rustyp, you sound like you know stuff. You know the answer to that question in your last sentence...........

NO. (sigh) And if it is not NO, we need to know. But I know it is NO. Seems like it should not be NO. I do not know why it is NO. Maybe somebody will explain why. All I know is we operate under the tax advice of NO.

So what do I win for knowing the answer is NO.

Boomer

[tomwed]

So what do I win for knowing the answer is NO.

Boomer
No thing.

[Freddy Bear]

Contrary to many Villagers beliefs, "walking on" to an Executive or Championship golf course is trespassing! The courses are privately owned and you could be arrested. However, by getting a tee time (which only Village residents and their guests can do on Executive courses) allows you play a round of golf on the selected course under the guidance of the course Starter and the course Ambassador. Playing on any golf course in The Villages is very closely monitored by the Starters and Ambassadors and if you are caught walking on you will be asked for your Village ID (and for guest passes) by the Ambassador, and Ambassadors usually work later than Starters. Your ID number will be checked by the next morning and any trail or guest fees due must be paid or you could lose your golfing privileges for a period of time (yes this actually happens). If you refuse to leave the golf course, the Ambassador could call the police and have you arrested for trespassing. The bottom line is: Nobody is allowed on a Villages golf course unless they have a registered starting time, and a resident ID or guest or spectator pass on Executive courses.

[Mikeod]

With all the varied and contradictory posts about playing on the execs after the starter leaves, I decided to contact GMS to find out the actual policy. Here's a quote from their reply that sums it up. It refers to the fact that at this time of year, there is little light after the starter leaves to play, so it is mostly a summer thing, but the answer still applies now.

"All residents are welcome to start on the 1st tee after 7:00, we do have roaming Ambassadors that check ID's for those that start after 7:00. We do not encourage or want folks to start in the middle of the course."

[tomwed]

With all the varied and contradictory posts about playing on the execs after the starter leaves, I decided to contact GMS to find out the actual policy. Here's a quote from their reply that sums it up. It refers to the fact that at this time of year, there is little light after the starter leaves to play, so it is mostly a summer thing, but the answer still applies now.

"All residents are welcome to start on the 1st tee after 7:00, we do have roaming Ambassadors that check ID's for those that start after 7:00. We do not encourage or want folks to start in the middle of the course."

That's the policy for the execs.
But if that's also the policy for the champs you made my day.

[jblum315]

The short answer is No you can't

[Gerald]

Of course, we would never walk on if the course was busy. But if the course was not busy and there was a large break between groups, would there be a problem if my wife and I walked on and started playing? We would not use carts.

We now live in Virginia and we hope to sell our house in the Spring. After that, we plan to move to Florida and look for a house in The Villages.

Ideally, we would like to live on one of the Exec courses, especially if we can just walk on and play on occasion.

simple answer. No you are not able to do that.
But like you were already told, you can go to the starter shack you play if there is an open time.
Simple reason also. the course needs to know who is playing in case of an accident or if you caused damage. insurance problems on the course can cost you a lot of headaches. Believe me you don't want to deal with it.

[John_W]

The question should have been, may I legally walk onto an executive course and play? However, can I walk onto an executive course and play?, I would answer yes. I actually did that at Southern Star executive in 2011. I hadn't only moved here a couple of weeks earlier, I hadn't even played a round of golf yet. My neighbor said he had never played golf. I had just gotten my cart, so I told him jump in. We drove to Southern Star, which is about 200 yards from our vllla. We played holes 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 and then left. I never saw a marshall, in fact I never saw another player. When we got back I went online and discovered that Southern Star was closed. This is a true story, the rights are for sale.

http://www.golfthevillages.com/executive-golf/images/layouts/SOUTHERN%20STAR.jpg

[Polar Bear]

With all the varied and contradictory posts about playing on the execs after the starter leaves, I decided to contact GMS to find out the actual policy. Here's a quote from their reply that sums it up. It refers to the fact that at this time of year, there is little light after the starter leaves to play, so it is mostly a summer thing, but the answer still applies now.

"All residents are welcome to start on the 1st tee after 7:00, we do have roaming Ambassadors that check ID's for those that start after 7:00. We do not encourage or want folks to start in the middle of the course."
That's the policy for the execs.
But if that's also the policy for the champs you made my day.
Pretty much the same for the champs, with one significant difference...there are ambassadors on the champs right up to dusk and they will stop and give you a 'ticket' so you can pay your green fees the following day.

[OhioBuckeye]

Well the longer I live here & I'm a permanent resident & I've never ever seen an ambassador ever ask anybody to see there ID. Just like at the swimming pools, it was a question about somebody seeing somebody from one of the neighboring towns being there & telling someone that they weren't a Village resident. So to answer the question, if you're living in a neighboring don't worry about it you'll never get caught as far as I can see. The residents will cover your aminities. The longer I live here the more I learn about securities!

[drcar]

The question should have been, may I legally walk onto an executive course and play? However, can I walk onto an executive course and play?, I would answer yes. I actually did that at Southern Star executive in 2011. I hadn't only moved here a couple of weeks earlier, I hadn't even played a round of golf yet. My neighbor said he had never played golf. I had just gotten my cart, so I told him jump in. We drove to Southern Star, which is about 200 yards from our vllla. We played holes 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 and then left. I never saw a marshall, in fact I never saw another player. When we got back I went online and discovered that Southern Star was closed. This is a true story, the rights are for sale.

http://www.golfthevillages.com/executive-golf/images/layouts/SOUTHERN%20STAR.jpg

Yes I believe your story, but you were trespassing, and you did not get caught. I find it amazing that people think just because they live here they can do what they want. I am NOT saying you John W. But it seems that a lot of people here believe they have a right to trespass. The courses are open for anyone, they are controlled and watched. You can be asked to leave and maybe more if you refuse. The courses are closed at times for reasons, maintenance, work, etc., but some people feel that they can do whatever, ie walking pets on courses not worrying about chemicals, high pressure sprayers and etc. These same people would scream if someone walked on their grass!!! Follow the rules and there is no problem!

[drcar]

Well the longer I live here & I'm a permanent resident & I've never ever seen an ambassador ever ask anybody to see there ID. Just like at the swimming pools, it was a question about somebody seeing somebody from one of the neighboring towns being there & telling someone that they weren't a Village resident. So to answer the question, if you're living in a neighboring don't worry about it you'll never get caught as far as I can see. The residents will cover your aminities. The longer I live here the more I learn about securities!

And you are correct, the ambassadors do NOT ask for ID's, they do not need to, they are asked for by the starter!!! The ambassador knows who is playing on the course and WILL ask the people who walk on to leave!!

[Marathon Man]

The system that has been developed here at TV is the best I've seen. From the on-line reservation system, to check-in, to the ambassadors on the course. And yes, they know who you are on the course. I see them making notes on their clipboards. Hopefully they are not noting my bent left arm at the top my backswing.

[Dynsol]

Of course, we would never walk on if the course was busy. But if the course was not busy and there was a large break between groups, would there be a problem if my wife and I walked on and started playing? We would not use carts.

We now live in Virginia and we hope to sell our house in the Spring. After that, we plan to move to Florida and look for a house in The Villages.

Ideally, we would like to live on one of the Exec courses, especially if we can just walk on and play on occasion.

Really!!!!

If your front door is open...can I walk in????

[VApeople]

Hopefully they are not noting my bent left arm at the top my backswing.

Don't worry about the bent left arm. One of the greatest golfers in history, the 6-time British Open champion Harry Vardon, had a bent left arm at the top of his swing.

He was portrayed very well in the movie 'The Greatest Game Ever Played'.

Here are pictures of his swing:

https://www.google.com/search?q=dolly+sods&biw=1371&bih=616&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjr1Lzw6qbKAhWEOT4KHemcBcMQsAQILg#tbm=is ch&q=harry+vardon+golf+swing