Ugly Incident

[Chatbrat]

Went to the Brownwood Dunkin Doughnuts this morn @ 6:30. There was an employee dispute that was way out of control-on the verge of getting violent. The police were called.

Several customers and myself walked out--The store has changed ownership & I will avoid it for awhile, I'll give them a chance to get their act together. I carry a weapon & I make it an absolute must to avoid all any conflicts.

[ditka41]

Great idea,in the "spirit of the season", to not blow away any employees or customers . That would ruin the entire holiday.

Cops I have known are never very far away from a donut shop anyway.

[rustyp]

Went to the Brownwood Dunkin Doughnuts this morn @ 6:30. There was an employee dispute that was way out of control-on the verge of getting violent. The police were called.

Several customers and myself walked out--The store has changed ownership & I will avoid it for awhile, I'll give them a chance to get their act together. I carry a weapon & I make it an absolute must to avoid all any conflicts.



Why would you publicize that ?

[Taltarzac725]

Isn't that about 15 feet from the Wildwood Police Department satellite office near Barnstorm Theater or is that store something else?

[golf2140]

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Why would you publicize that ?



:BigApplause:

[Chatbrat]

Because a lot of people who have CCW permits must remember they are not law enforcement officers, & if they are carrying they have to stay out of the fray,unless its a matter of life & death

[Bonny]

I carry a weapon & I make it an absolute must to avoid all any conflicts.

I don't know that there was a need to post this on here. :shrug:

[ureout]

why would a loud vocal dispute that was between other people be any concern of yours.....as far as you "carrying" SCARY

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Because a lot of people who have CCW permits must remember they are not law enforcement officers, & if they are carrying they have to stay out of the fray,unless its a matter of life & death

You are exactly right! Unless it is a situation that threatens your life or someone else's it is best to walk away or at least observe from a distance.
You did the right thing.

CCP also.
:boom:

[ditka41]

Appropriate conduct in personally non-threatening situations was always stressed in the courses I took. Not all people should carry, even if considered legal. Being legal does not mean you should be an "enforcer".

[tomwed]

I call them
Glock and spiels. [how's that polar?]

[jblum315]

I am so glad that you restrained yourself and did not shoot anyone in an incident that was basically none of your business.

[dbussone]

I call them
Glock and spiels. [how's that polar?]


Another winner regardless of what Polar thinks. I was beginning to think he had begun his hibernation.

[Sandtrap328]

Some may ask why you would carry your pistol to the donut store at 6:30 in the morning?

I would just assume it is in the event you find a donut without a hole already in the center.

[Barefoot]

I am so glad that you restrained yourself and did not shoot anyone in an incident that was basically none of your business.Well said.

[Chatbrat]

You carry, because you never know when you may need to protect yourself or others. A donut shop, gas station, pizza parlor whats the difference? Nothing but time & circumstance.

In this era in our country I refuse to go naked as prey for some preditor,
be it financial or political.

My personal ethnic is "never again"

[CWGUY]

Some may ask why you would carry your pistol to the donut store at 6:30 in the morning?

I would just assume it is in the event you find a donut without a hole already in the center.

:1rotfl:

[kcrazorbackfan]

Went to the Brownwood Dunkin Doughnuts this morn @ 6:30. There was an employee dispute that was way out of control-on the verge of getting violent. The police were called.

Several customers and myself walked out--The store has changed ownership & I will avoid it for awhile, I'll give them a chance to get their act together. I carry a weapon & I make it an absolute must to avoid all any conflicts.

I would venture to say one (or maybe all) of them probably drank too much yesterday and stayed out too late last night.

Due to carrying, I also avoid all conflicts like that. I pulled into that convenience store on 466a close to 27/441 the other day to fuel up and there was some woofing going on between Hispanics and blacks; I didn't stick around to see what happened.

[JoMar]

Create your own donut holes?

[kcrazorbackfan]

You carry, because you never know when you may need to protect yourself or others. A donut shop, gas station, pizza parlor whats the difference? Nothing but time & circumstance.

In this era in our country I refuse to go naked as prey for some preditor,
be it financial or political.

My personal ethnic is "never again"

:bigbow: That ONE time you leave it at home will be the time everything goes to hell. Just like the American Express commercial - "Don't leave home without it".

[CFrance]

I am so glad that you restrained yourself and did not shoot anyone in an incident that was basically none of your business.
You owe me a new keyboard.

[Chi-Town]

You carry, because you never know when you may need to protect yourself or others. A donut shop, gas station, pizza parlor whats the difference? Nothing but time & circumstance.

In this era in our country I refuse to go naked as prey for some preditor,
be it financial or political.

My personal ethnic is "never again"
Huh?

[Butterfly201]

He has a right to carry; he has a right to say he carries a gun. However, if someone started shooting, he could have defended himself . It is his right! I don't understand the snide remarks. And with ISIS saying we want to kill you and coming over here and carrying out their threat, why do you question his carrying a gun? ISIS or AlQueda -- They have killed more than 3000 people on 9/11, I don't know how many in Paris, what was it, 14 in CA, and the "office" killing in Ft. Hood where no soldier can carry a gun? How many did he kill? Not counting the journalists etc. Wake up!

[rustyp]

He has a right to carry; he has a right to say he carries a gun. However, if someone started shooting, he could have defended himself . It is his right! I don't understand the snide remarks. And with ISIS saying we want to kill you and coming over here and carrying out their threat, why do you question his carrying a gun? ISIS or AlQueda -- They have killed more than 3000 people on 9/11, I don't know how many in Paris, what was it, 14 in CA, and the "office" killing in Ft. Hood where no soldier can carry a gun? How many did he kill? Not counting the journalists etc. Wake up!

He has a right to carry if he has the permit. I not sure about the right to publicize in all circumstances that he carries is true. I am not familiar with Florida law in this area. So I propose an experiment. Go to Paddock Square on a Friday night around 7 pm and stand up and announce you are carrying a gun. Seems to me not much different than telling us that here on this forum. The bad guys also hang out here electronically. They now know you carry and can piece together who you are and then a couple more steps figure out where you live. High percentage of illegal guns carried by bad guys come from burglaries of houses of legal gun carriers that couldn't keep their mouths shut.

[CFrance]

He has a right to carry; he has a right to say he carries a gun. However, if someone started shooting, he could have defended himself . It is his right! I don't understand the snide remarks. And with ISIS saying we want to kill you and coming over here and carrying out their threat, why do you question his carrying a gun? ISIS or AlQueda -- They have killed more than 3000 people on 9/11, I don't know how many in Paris, what was it, 14 in CA, and the "office" killing in Ft. Hood where no soldier can carry a gun? How many did he kill? Not counting the journalists etc. Wake up!
I think it's the constant boasting of some posters on certain subjects that leads to snide remarks from others.

[outlaw]

He has a right to carry if he has the permit. I not sure about the right to publicize in all circumstances that he carries is true. I am not familiar with Florida law in this area. So I propose an experiment. Go to Paddock Square on a Friday night around 7 pm and stand up and announce you are carrying a gun. Seems to me not much different than telling us that here on this forum. The bad guys also hang out here electronically. They now know you carry and can piece together who you are and then a couple more steps figure out where you live. High percentage of illegal guns carried by bad guys come from burglaries of houses of legal gun carriers that couldn't keep their mouths shut.

Quite a big difference. You act as though one should be ashamed of CCing. And you're giving "bad guys" way too much credit. They are not that smart. In Florida, there are probably more homes with firearms than there are without.

[outlaw]

I think it's the constant boasting of some posters on certain subjects that leads to snide remarks from others.

Why do you think it is boasting? If he said he played golf or owned a house in TV, would you think that was boasting? This is Florida. Many, many, many people CC. No big deal.

[rustyp]

Quite a big difference. You act as though one should be ashamed of CCing. And you're giving "bad guys" way too much credit. They are not that smart. In Florida, there are probably more homes with firearms than there are without.

I respect anyone's right to carry a gun legally. I am not against gun carrying. I simply think a lot more harm than good will come out of publicizing you are carrying. Tell your friends - tell your family. Don't tell the crazies. Do you think they are afraid of you? They got a gun in their pocket. Legal or illegal it still shoots bullets. There must be some laws that don't allow for that. I believe it's illegal to yell "fire" in a theater. I don't count my money at the ATM machine.

[outlaw]

[I][B]

I respect anyone's right to carry a gun legally. I am not against gun carrying. I simply think a lot more harm than good will come out of publicizing you are carrying. Tell your friends - tell your family. Don't tell the crazies. Do you think they are afraid of you? They got a gun in their pocket. Legal or illegal it still shoots bullets. There must be some laws that don't allow for that. I believe it's illegal to yell "fire" in a theater. I don't count my money at the ATM machine.

As far as I know, there is no law in Florida against saying that you CC. Now, if you go into a bank, and tell the teller that you have a gun and want money, you may be in trouble. But mentioning it on a website is not against the law. And bad guys with guns do not want a gun fight. They are predators that want to prey on the weaker victims.

[MelZ]

Why do people who put in burglar alarms put out a lawn sign announcing it? Because the bad guys look for the easy score.

If you are ever faced with a armed bad guy you are go to:
1. Pray for help
2. Pray that help has a gun

[rustyp]

Well where are the experts here? What can you say and when regarding CC. Is it true if you have a CC permit and your weapon is exposed you are in a world of trouble? I understand the side of protection especially given the latest crazies. However I have never had a need for pulling out a gun yet in my lifetime - yes maybe lucky. More likely purposely avoided trouble. However I lost a close friend and a family member to suicide because a gun was handy at a vulnerable moment. And my final two words on this subject - BARNEY FIFE.

[Taltarzac725]

I have no problem with congealed gun carriers if they are well trained and level headed. Some are victims of stalkers. Others are retired law enforcement, military, etc. Have no idea though why you would bring a gun to a donut shop in the Villages unless it is carried at all times.

I have heard that some people carry guns to dog parks which also does not make much sense. Mace would be a lot more practical if it is the right kind. Women's Self Defense Products | WomenOnGuard.com (http://www.womenonguard.com/)

[TNLAKEPANDA]

It seems to me that anti-gun people just lack common sense. They should not be concerned about the person who has a legal concealed carry permit. Most people who go through the trouble of getting a permit do carry all the time. Yes even at the dog park! Not to shoot dogs for god's sake. You just never know when and were your life might be threatened.

It is not legal to brandish your firearm along with a threat. That will get you arrested. Experts say do not pull your gun unless you intend to use it.

[JoelJohnson]

30,000 people were killed by guns last year, 90% by themselves or by someone they knew.

Let's see 330 million people in the US and 3,000 killed by terrorist, hum, no wonder neither I, or any member of my (extended) family even came close to needing a gun.

[dewilson58]

I carry all the time..........especially on ToTV............you never know.


:pepper2:

[Bogie Shooter]

Because a lot of people who have CCW permits must remember they are not law enforcement officers, & if they are carrying they have to stay out of the fray,unless its a matter of life & death

Why should they have to be reminded? If that's the case, maybe they should not be carrying.

[Bogie Shooter]

He has a right to carry; he has a right to say he carries a gun. However, if someone started shooting, he could have defended himself . It is his right! I don't understand the snide remarks. And with ISIS saying we want to kill you and coming over here and carrying out their threat, why do you question his carrying a gun? ISIS or AlQueda -- They have killed more than 3000 people on 9/11, I don't know how many in Paris, what was it, 14 in CA, and the "office" killing in Ft. Hood where no soldier can carry a gun? How many did he kill? Not counting the journalists etc. Wake up!

Fear...........

[CFrance]

It seems to me that anti-gun people just lack common sense. They should not be concerned about the person who has a legal concealed carry permit. Most people who go through the trouble of getting a permit do carry all the time. Yes even at the dog park! Not to shoot dogs for god's sake. You just never know when and were your life might be threatened.

It is not legal to brandish your firearm along with a threat. That will get you arrested. Experts say do not pull your gun unless you intend to use it.
I refuse to live in the kind of fear that would make me get a gun and carry it everywhere. You risk your life more every time you get in a car or walk across the street. If the astronomical odds end up being that I walk into a situation where people are shooting everyone up and I die, it must have been my time to go.

[MelZ]

30,000 people were killed by guns last year, 90% by themselves or by someone they knew.

Let's see 330 million people in the US and 3,000 killed by terrorist, hum, no wonder neither I, or any member of my (extended) family even came close to needing a gun.

Please quote accurate numbers, the actual number of firearm deaths last year was just over 11,000 and that included shooting while in the commission of a crime. Gun deaths rank much lower than by motor vehicle and medical malpractice.

[CFrance]

Please quote accurate numbers, the actual number of firearm deaths last year was just over 11,000 and that included shooting while in the commission of a crime. Gun deaths rank much lower than by motor vehicle and medical malpractice.
Okay, let's use all the accurate numbers. From CNN:

Using numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, we found that from 2001 to 2013, 406,496 people died by firearms on U.S. soil. (2013 is the most recent year CDC data for deaths by firearms is available.) This data covered all manners of death, including homicide, accident and suicide.
According to the U.S. State Department, the number of U.S. citizens killed overseas as a result of incidents of terrorism from 2001 to 2013 was 350.
In addition, we compiled all terrorism incidents inside the U.S. and found that between 2001 and 2013, there were 3,030 people killed in domestic acts of terrorism.* This brings the total to 3,380.

*Includes the following domestic terrorism incidents:
September 11 attacks (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/27/us/september-11-anniversary-fast-facts/) (NY, DC, PA) 9/11/01
2001 Anthrax attacks (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/health/anthrax-fast-facts/) (DC, NY, CT, FL) Oct., Nov. 2001
El Al counter shooting (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/West/04/12/airport.shooting/) (California) 7/4/02
Beltway sniper attacks (http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/04/us/dc-area-sniper-fast-facts/) (DC, Mid-Atlantic) Oct. 2002
Knoxville church shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/09/tennessee.church.shooting.plea/)(Tennessee) 7/27/08
Pittsburgh police officers killed (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/04/pittsburgh.officers.shot/) (Pennsylvania) 4/4/09
Tiller abortion clinic (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/kansas.doctor.killed.charges/) (Kansas) 5/31/09
Holocaust Museum shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/10/museum.shooting/) (DC) 6/10/09
Fort Hood shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/us/fort-hood-shooting/)(Texas) 11/5/09
Plane crash into Austin IRS building (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/)(Texas) 2/18/10
Fort Stewart Army base killing (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/28/justice/georgia-soldiers-plot/)(Georgia) 12/10/11
Sikh Temple Shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/06/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/) (Wisconsin) 8/7/12
St. John's Parish police ambush (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/justice/louisiana-officers-shot/index.html) (Louisiana) 8/16/12
Boston Marathon Bombing (http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/15/us/boston-bombing-tsarnaev-sentence/) (Massachusetts) 4/15/13
LAX Shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/04/justice/lax-shooting/) (California) 11/05/13
Opinion: Why we're still debating guns in 2015 (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/opinions/opinion-roundup-gun-control-2015/index.html)

[golfing eagles]

Please quote accurate numbers, the actual number of firearm deaths last year was just over 11,000 and that included shooting while in the commission of a crime. Gun deaths rank much lower than by motor vehicle and medical malpractice.

Yes, let's quote accurate numbers. The medical error deaths are skewed by a factor of 20 or 30. Do you realize if a patient in a hospital is scheduled to get a Tylenol at 9 AM, the nurse has to administer it between 8:30 and 9:30 or it is considered an "error"? If that patient has terminal cancer and dies during that admission, it is then counted as a death from medical error. The medication "error" rate in the best hospitals is 0.19%. Remember, statistics don't lie, people (usually with an agenda) lie with statistics. If you think this is bad, get medical care in any one of the 28 countries the WHO "ranks" as "better" in health care than the US. Maybe you can join royalty, world leaders and billionaires and flock to "Luxembourg" for health care. Or pull a Hugo Chavez and go to Cuba---how did that work out for him anyway?

[golfing eagles]

PS. Sorry for the off topic rant

[fred53]

why would a loud vocal dispute that was between other people be any concern of yours.....as far as you "carrying" SCARY

be a concern of people who choose and are trained in CWP's...until they save your life....

[MelZ]

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[twinklesweep]

Went to the Brownwood Dunkin Doughnuts this morn @ 6:30. There was an employee dispute that was way out of control-on the verge of getting violent. The police were called.

Several customers and myself walked out--The store has changed ownership & I will avoid it for awhile, I'll give them a chance to get their act together. I carry a weapon & I make it an absolute must to avoid all any conflicts.

He has a right to carry; he has a right to say he carries a gun. However, if someone started shooting, he could have defended himself . It is his right! I don't understand the snide remarks. And with ISIS saying we want to kill you and coming over here and carrying out their threat, why do you question his carrying a gun? ISIS or AlQueda -- They have killed more than 3000 people on 9/11, I don't know how many in Paris, what was it, 14 in CA, and the "office" killing in Ft. Hood where no soldier can carry a gun? How many did he kill? Not counting the journalists etc. Wake up!

I don't think anyone is questioning that there is a law that allows a civilian to carry a concealed weapon. What I wonder about is the motivation of the OP, given her or his title and content, in adding the sentence that I bolded and underlined. It seems to me to have nothing to do with the ugly incident and the altercation between two employees that did not involve customers and that was finally resolved by the police, which is their job to do--and maybe everything to do with the OP!

There was a similar incident at a restaurant just outside TV where there was actually an arrest, as one employee threatened another with a knife, not just a loud argument. It doesn't appear any patrons stopped eating in that restaurant as a result of an incident between two employees that had nothing to do with the customers.

[twinklesweep]

Okay, let's use all the accurate numbers. From CNN:

Using numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, we found that from 2001 to 2013, 406,496 people died by firearms on U.S. soil. (2013 is the most recent year CDC data for deaths by firearms is available.) This data covered all manners of death, including homicide, accident and suicide.
According to the U.S. State Department, the number of U.S. citizens killed overseas as a result of incidents of terrorism from 2001 to 2013 was 350.
In addition, we compiled all terrorism incidents inside the U.S. and found that between 2001 and 2013, there were 3,030 people killed in domestic acts of terrorism.* This brings the total to 3,380.

*Includes the following domestic terrorism incidents:
September 11 attacks (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/27/us/september-11-anniversary-fast-facts/) (NY, DC, PA) 9/11/01
2001 Anthrax attacks (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/health/anthrax-fast-facts/) (DC, NY, CT, FL) Oct., Nov. 2001
El Al counter shooting (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/West/04/12/airport.shooting/) (California) 7/4/02
Beltway sniper attacks (http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/04/us/dc-area-sniper-fast-facts/) (DC, Mid-Atlantic) Oct. 2002
Knoxville church shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/09/tennessee.church.shooting.plea/)(Tennessee) 7/27/08
Pittsburgh police officers killed (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/04/pittsburgh.officers.shot/) (Pennsylvania) 4/4/09
Tiller abortion clinic (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/kansas.doctor.killed.charges/) (Kansas) 5/31/09
Holocaust Museum shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/10/museum.shooting/) (DC) 6/10/09
Fort Hood shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/us/fort-hood-shooting/)(Texas) 11/5/09
Plane crash into Austin IRS building (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/)(Texas) 2/18/10
Fort Stewart Army base killing (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/28/justice/georgia-soldiers-plot/)(Georgia) 12/10/11
Sikh Temple Shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/06/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/) (Wisconsin) 8/7/12
St. John's Parish police ambush (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/justice/louisiana-officers-shot/index.html) (Louisiana) 8/16/12
Boston Marathon Bombing (http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/15/us/boston-bombing-tsarnaev-sentence/) (Massachusetts) 4/15/13
LAX Shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/04/justice/lax-shooting/) (California) 11/05/13
Opinion: Why we're still debating guns in 2015 (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/opinions/opinion-roundup-gun-control-2015/index.html)



























Numbers come from FBI and center for disease control, NOT a news network

Either I'm confused--or I can't read. The posting says what I bolded and underlined:

Using numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Are these numbers false because they're quoted by CNN? Huh?

[jblum315]

Barefoot, I actually have a spare keyboard if you'd like to pick it up
Glad I made you laugh!