Cart ID's

[PennBF]

I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts. It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number. Since there are now between 60,000 and 70,000 carts there should be some way to identify the user/owner. The Villages could charge the cart owner $1.00 to pay for the stick on tag and list the numbers in the normal
village records. Your village ID could be used as the "control number":gc:

[golfing eagles]

George Orwell would be proud

[biker1]

It is not clear to me how The Villages (the developer) could require such a thing. The CDDs control the MMPs - good luck with that. The roads are owned by the county - good luck with that.

I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts. It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number. Since there are now between 60,000 and 70,000 carts there should be some way to identify the user/owner. The Villages could charge the cart owner $1.00 to pay for the stick on tag and list the numbers in the normal
village records. Your village ID could be used as the "control number":gc:

[golfing eagles]

It is not clear to me how The Villages (the developer) could require such a thing. The CDDs control the MMPs - good luck with that. The roads are owned by the county - good luck with that.

Oh, that's easy. The state government through the legislature and bureaucrats could pass 20,000 pages of law and regulation with regards to ID on golf carts. They could pay for it by erecting toll gates on MMPs. Maybe the governor could even issue an "executive order"........

[biker1]

Politics is all about upside and downside. There is no upside and lots of downside.

Oh, that's easy. The state government through the legislature and bureaucrats could pass 20,000 pages of law and regulation with regards to ID on golf carts. They could pay for it by erecting toll gates on MMPs. Maybe the governor could even issue an "executive order"........

[HoosierPa]

Just what we need, more Government "Control"

[ronat1]

I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts. It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number. Since there are now between 60,000 and 70,000 carts there should be some way to identify the user/owner. The Villages could charge the cart owner $1.00 to pay for the stick on tag and list the numbers in the normal
village records. Your village ID could be used as the "control number":gc:

Your reasoning for this is what and exactly why & for whom would this be advantageous and helpful?

[Rango]

There is a serial # on each cart

[Chatbrat]

There have been several hit & runs--All motor vehicles on public streets should have an ID tag- some way of ID'ing a miscreant.

Anonymity leads to the degree of breaking the rules that are quite prevalent.

[CWGUY]

:shrug: Amazing. I don't think I would have moved to an area where I think rule breaking is quite prevalent. :undecided:

[golfing eagles]

There have been several hit & runs--All motor vehicles on public streets should have an ID tag- some way of ID'ing a miscreant.

Anonymity leads to the degree of breaking the rules that are quite prevalent.

? how many "hit and run" cart accidents are there?
? how many offenders are either caught or come forward and confess?
like auto accidents, most victims and witnesses never think quick enough or see well enough to get a license plate #
also like auto accidents, the offender usually has a reason to run (DUI, suspended license, no registration or insurance) and therefore has probably already decided to run from an accident. To that end, they are the ones with no plate or one of those smoky gray plate "holders" that make it nearly impossible to read the plate anyway

All in all, you may be advocating a system of 60,000 cart IDs that in the end may catch no one. Like most "there ought to be a law" scenarios, this may be like firing a cannon at a tissue paper wall.

[bagboy]

All I can add is...there will not be an identification sticker on my golf cart, mandated or not.

[tomwed]

I think your intentions are good but the cure seems worse than the disease even if it could be done.

What I find remarkable and do appreciate is how the police take every crime seriously and how often they find the perpetrator. I think there are a lot more cameras around than we think. We also live in a world where most everyone is carrying a phone with a camera for stills and videos.

[PennBF]

Wow, I am surprised that so many are against some form of identification for carts. You have licence plates for cars and I bet you all have licence plates ! What is different with carts? Some compare to Orwell, some threaten there will be no ID on their cart (bet they didn't remove the licence on their car?), some compare to more Gov't controls, but like and acknowledge community standards,
I have nothing to be concerned with, I don't drink so a DUI will not happen, I don't allow young children so that is not a worry, I respect the walkers and bikers on the cart paths, and try to obey good manners. What is the worry of those who don't want some control over identifying who may be drunk, may be endangering other carts, walkers, bikers, et al. If there is nothing to fear why
be afraid?:shrug:

[ugotme]

w h y ?

[Barefoot]

I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts. It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number.

I assume the small identifier number would be means of identifying "miscreants".
I doubt a small window tab would be sufficient for retirees to quickly identify a cart and be able to pass on the correct identifier number to Police.
And I sincerely doubt most of us want huge numbers on our carts.
That is reminiscent of the placards that prisoners wear for identification when their picture is taken.
As Eagle said, George Orwell would be proud.

[biker1]

If you see a hit and run just tell the police it was the golf cart with the OSU decal on the front ;-)

I assume the small identifier number would be means of identifying "miscreants".
I doubt a small window tab would be sufficient for retirees to quickly identify a cart and be able to pass on the correct identifier number to Police.
And I sincerely doubt most of us want huge numbers on our carts.
That is reminiscent of the placards that prisoners wear for identification when their picture is taken.
As Eagle said, George Orwell would be proud.

[twoplanekid]

Registration could be a way of verify compliance with mandatory rules for golf carts such as seatbelts, proper lighting systems and a speed check. On second thought, I am still upset about the registration requirements for drones of little weight.

[Retiring]

There have been several hit & runs--All motor vehicles on public streets should have an ID tag- some way of ID'ing a miscreant.

Anonymity leads to the degree of breaking the rules that are quite prevalent.

You’re talking about a license plate. A small sticker would never be noticeable in a hit and run. Tags lead to registration, registration leads to more legislation, legislation leads to taxes, taxes leads to…

[PennBF]

"There is nothing to fear..." (oop's FDR") Why are any afraid of their cart being identifiable? If the owner/guest, et al are obeying the rules for carts why would there be any fear of allowing their cart to be readily identified? Those with nothing to fear should welcome the change with open arms ! I understand the ones who leave the squares and have over drank, or those who let 4 and 5 year olds drive their cart or juiced up the cart to go faster than 19.5MPH. All of these are violations which are not uncommon and I can
understand those that have these problems may not want their cart identified. The others I have no clue?

[Chatbrat]

All the white rental carts are easily identifiable-duh-what's the problem- a white rental car hits someone or damages someone's property- the black #'s help

What's the big deal ?

[Fredster]

"There is nothing to fear..." (oop's FDR") Why are any afraid of their cart being identifiable? If the owner/guest, et al are obeying the rules for carts why would there be any fear of allowing their cart to be readily identified? Those with nothing to fear should welcome the change with open arms ! I understand the ones who leave the squares and have over drank, or those who let 4 and 5 year olds drive their cart or juiced up the cart to go faster than 19.5MPH. All of these are violations which are not uncommon and I can
understand those that have these problems may not want their cart identified. The others I have no clue?
It seems that you have come up with a solution, for a problem that doesn't exist or at least is very minuscule!
Plus I think people are afraid when the government gets involved registering things, and where that usually leads!

[golfing eagles]

Wow, I am surprised that so many are against some form of identification for carts. You have licence plates for cars and I bet you all have licence plates ! What is different with carts? Some compare to Orwell, some threaten there will be no ID on their cart (bet they didn't remove the licence on their car?), some compare to more Gov't controls, but like and acknowledge community standards,
I have nothing to be concerned with, I don't drink so a DUI will not happen, I don't allow young children so that is not a worry, I respect the walkers and bikers on the cart paths, and try to obey good manners. What is the worry of those who don't want some control over identifying who may be drunk, may be endangering other carts, walkers, bikers, et al. If there is nothing to fear why
be afraid?:shrug:

My fear is not getting caught breaking the law, since I don't My fear is that this would add to an already out of control governing bureaucracy. To achieve the goal of putting an ID sticker on 60,000 carts, you would have to hire the personnel, give them office space, telephone lines, internet access and postage. There would no doubt be paper forms or on-line pages to fill out. The stickers would have to be printed and mailed. No doubt there would be countless meetings to decide how big, what shape, what color, where to put them on the cart. Then community information meetings. Then they would meet about how to enforce the new regulations, followed by more community information meetings. Like I said, it looks like shooting a cannon at a tissue paper wall. Now let me duck for cover as I add that they could address the path striping issue at the same time. LOL

[outlaw]

Good idea! I also think we should consider ID chips for all residents. Like the chips we give our pets. It could be very helpful if a crime is committed. It would also provide safety for seniors.

[golfing eagles]

Then they could put a webcam on the barrel of your Glock. Maybe one in your bedroom at the same time. Don't forget the bathroom, we wouldn't want any "violations" in there. Heck, just replace all the walls in your house with glass----after all, we've already know what "transparency" is all about

[JoMar]

We have no cart police, all drivers are trained to go through stop signs and no turn signals (same as cars), we currently have kids standing where golf bags should be, we have carts going through gates on the bumpers of cars, we have carts exceeding speed limits everywhere......so please help me, what good would an ID provide where there is no enforcement?

[TNLAKEPANDA]

George Orwell would be proud

No kidding. Why Why Why do people want more rules and controls. What's wrong with them.:what:

[Retiring]

Where does it stop? Why don't we mandate rollbars in all vehicles, including golf carts? 7,000+ are killed annually by rollover accidents. Think of all the home burglaries we can stop by outlawing windows and requiring vault entry doors. What about license plates on bicycles, yes they too are involved in hit and run accidents. What about the dogs that run into the street and causes accidents? Lets require dogs to be shaved and a large tattoo, like a lic. plate, be tattooed across them – after all they were/are owned by someone. Lets put street lights on all the MMPs, that would only increase your dues a few hundred dollars per month- if it saves one life isn’t it worth it? I can go on for a thousand pages. The above hyperbole is only slightly tongue and cheek, because it’s both absurd and factual.

Almost all cell phones have cameras. See something “not right,” take a picture or video. Golf carts may all look alike but people don’t, a picture is the best source of identification.

We have huge libraries filled with law books but for some we could never have enough regulation. Increased regulation does NOT equal increased safety.

[Fredster]

We have no cart police, all drivers are trained to go through stop signs and no turn signals (same as cars), we currently have kids standing where golf bags should be, we have carts going through gates on the bumpers of cars, we have carts exceeding speed limits everywhere......so please help me, what good would an ID provide where there is no enforcement?
With that post, your going to make some people afraid to leave their homes!

[Kannon451]

Wow, I am surprised that so many are against some form of identification for carts. You have licence plates for cars and I bet you all have licence plates ! What is different with carts? Some compare to Orwell, some threaten there will be no ID on their cart (bet they didn't remove the licence on their car?), some compare to more Gov't controls, but like and acknowledge community standards,
I have nothing to be concerned with, I don't drink so a DUI will not happen, I don't allow young children so that is not a worry, I respect the walkers and bikers on the cart paths, and try to obey good manners. What is the worry of those who don't want some control over identifying who may be drunk, may be endangering other carts, walkers, bikers, et al. If there is nothing to fear why
be afraid?:shrug:

I like would propose that all Villages residents and their gusts be required to wear bright yellow jackets affixed with their ID numbers in big bold black numerals on the front and back. Wearing these jackets would be required whenever they venture outside. Of cause the numbers should readable from at least 50 ft. and be reflective for easy night time identification. Hey, If your not saving seats at the squares, picking up all you dogs poop, not talking at the movies, not smoking where you shouldn't be, not singing at the Sharon during a show, not tipping enough, etc., etc., etc., What's to fear???

[Polar Bear]

I like would propose that all Villages residents and their gusts be required to wear bright yellow jackets affixed with their ID numbers in big bold black numerals on the front and back. Wearing these jackets would be required whenever they venture outside. Of cause the numbers should readable from at least 50 ft. and be reflective for easy night time identification. Hey, If your not saving seats at the squares, picking up all you dogs poop, not talking at the movies, not smoking where you shouldn't be, not singing at the Sharon during a show, not tipping enough, etc., etc., etc., What's to fear???

Bingo.

[looneycat]

I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts. It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number. Since there are now between 60,000 and 70,000 carts there should be some way to identify the user/owner. The Villages could charge the cart owner $1.00 to pay for the stick on tag and list the numbers in the normal
village records. Your village ID could be used as the "control number":gc:

sorry. no.

[tomwed]

I you want an ID on your cart why don't you at least use your real name on TOTV so we know who you are?

[TrudyM]

I have only been down since sept and have had two instances where I wished I had a way to identify a cart owner. One was a cooler falling off a cart. The second was a kid driving a blue yamaha cart who nearly ran me over in a crosswalk. And when I mean kid he couldn't have been older than 8. I called community watch but they said there are thousands of blue Yamaha carts and finding the person responsible was impossible but they would be on the lookout for a kid in a blue cart.

[JoMar]

With that post, your going to make some people afraid to leave their homes!

Nah, they will just go out and blend in....:gc:

[Barefoot]

It would be a small "stick on" tab to the window with an identifier number.

I have only been down since sept and have had two instances where I wished I had a way to identify a cart owner. One was a cooler falling off a cart. The second was a kid driving a blue yamaha cart who nearly ran me over in a crosswalk. And when I mean kid he couldn't have been older than 8. I called community watch but they said there are thousands of blue Yamaha carts and finding the person responsible was impossible but they would be on the lookout for a kid in a blue cart.

Trudy, I'm curious. Do you think a SMALL sticker in the front window would have enabled you to see and remember the identifier number so you could pass on the information to Community Watch?

[Chatbrat]

If golf carts were restricted to empaths-no ID's-once they are on public road they need license plates for ID purposes-case closed

You don't bitch about your car needing a license plate- make the cost $20.0/yr no one should be able to drive a motor vehicle on a public road without any means of ID

[shumbapie]

George Orwell would be proud

LOL! Maybe when the DMV gets caught up they could handle this...

[BobnBev]

I have only been down since sept and have had two instances where I wished I had a way to identify a cart owner. One was a cooler falling off a cart. The second was a kid driving a blue yamaha cart who nearly ran me over in a crosswalk. And when I mean kid he couldn't have been older than 8. I called community watch but they said there are thousands of blue Yamaha carts and finding the person responsible was impossible but they would be on the lookout for a kid in a blue cart.

Trudy, why did you call CW, we all know they have NO AUTHORITY. Call the Sheriff next time.:shrug:

[PennBF]

I am happy that at a minimum this has given a lot of people an opportunity to get rid of hostility and anger that may have been building up. A simple "I don't like the idea because...." would have been happy constructive comments. At least this has switched some of the stored anger to a 100% non issue. Oh Well..It takes all.......!:shrug:

[tomwed]

If golf carts were restricted to empaths-no ID's-once they are on public road they need license plates for ID purposes-case closed

You don't bitch about your car needing a license plate- make the cost $20.0/yr no one should be able to drive a motor vehicle on a public road without any means of ID

......

[rjm1cc]

There have been several hit & runs--All motor vehicles on public streets should have an ID tag- some way of ID'ing a miscreant.

Anonymity leads to the degree of breaking the rules that are quite prevalent.

And insurance

[buzzy]

empaths = MMpaths = multimodal paths ???

[Sandtrap328]

Insurance on the golf cart?

Personally, I believe ANY person driving their golf cart without at least liability insurance is mighty dumb. Just one second of distraction could cause an accident and in this legal suit age could end up costing you everything you worked hard to get.

In fact, the umbrella policy with your home, cart, and car can all be linked to give greater coverage.

[bagboy]

All I can add is...there will not be an identification sticker on my golf cart, mandated or not.

I thought I made it quite clear that I don't like it without going into senseless detail, without expressing anger, and without pouting when some didnt agree with my position.

[biker1]

The case may be closed in your mind but that is not the law. If you feel strongly about the issue then write your representative to try to get a law enacted.

If golf carts were restricted to empaths-no ID's-once they are on public road they need license plates for ID purposes-case closed

You don't bitch about your car needing a license plate- make the cost $20.0/yr no one should be able to drive a motor vehicle on a public road without any means of ID

[Barefoot]

I am happy that at a minimum this has given a lot of people an opportunity to get rid of hostility and anger that may have been building up. A simple "I don't like the idea because...." would have been happy constructive comments. At least this has switched some of the stored anger to a 100% non issue. Oh Well..It takes all.......!:shrug:

No need to chide us for our responses.
A Forum is meant to have people expressing their honest opinions.
We are all adults here.

[CFrance]

Oh, that's easy. The state government through the legislature and bureaucrats could pass 20,000 pages of law and regulation with regards to ID on golf carts. They could pay for it by erecting toll gates on MMPs. Maybe the governor could even issue an "executive order"........
And then they could leave every one of those 20,000 pages of law slowly turning in the wind, because they would not have funded enforcement of it.:shrug:

I wouldn't be opposed to having IDs on golf carts, but I would think it should be something readable from a distance, like the size of a license plate or something that can be read from surveillance cameras.

[golfing eagles]

And then they could leave every one of those 20,000 pages of law slowly turning in the wind, because they would not have funded enforcement of it.:shrug:

I wouldn't be opposed to having IDs on golf carts, but I would think it should be something readable from a distance, like the size of a license plate or something that can be read from surveillance cameras.

Actually, they would fund enforcement, but never enforce it. As an example I give you---Border Patrol

[JoMar]

Actually, they would fund enforcement, but never enforce it. As an example I give you---Border Patrol

As with most things Villages......no enforcement either by the Districts or by the Sheriff on many things. I am tolerant of the Sheriff since they do have bigger things to worry about than golf carts. I have less tolerance with the District not having enforcement on a lot of levels as they continue to make unenforceable rules.

[Barefoot]

I wouldn't be opposed to having IDs on golf carts, but I would think it should be something readable from a distance, like the size of a license plate or something that can be read from surveillance cameras.

Exactly my point. A small identifier on the window wouldn't be visible enough.
One has to then consider whether the problem is severe enough to warrant a license plate which probably would result in considerable bureaucracy.

[Kannon451]

Be very careful of what you wish for folks

[fofd1091]

:gc: Only worry about things that matter,I for one am tired of PC .So,you have hurt my personal feeling,If you don't like my option,Then look the other way .This has gat to be a waste of space and grey matter lol Enjoy what we have and quite fighting about things we have no control off.

[twoplanekid]

City of South Daytona
Police Department
Post Office Box 214960
1672 South Ridgewood Avenue (386) 322-3030 PHONE
South Daytona, FL 32121 (386) 322-3055 FAX
GOLF CART REGISTRATION PACKET

Dear Resident:

This package provides the information you will need to register your golf cart for use on selected City streets. The registration package consists of a registration and inspection form and information on the rules and regulations governing golf cart use on publicroads. In order to register your golf cart you will need to complete the following steps:

1. Complete the golf cart registration and sign where indicated.
2. Note that proof of insurance is required and you will need to contact your
insurance agent to obtain coverage.
3. Have a Police Department Community Service Officer inspect your golf cart and complete the form. Call 322-3030 to make an appointment for an inspection.
4. The City requires that you read and understand the Golf Cart Rules and
Regulations that are attached. The information is also available at the Police
Department and City Hall or may be viewed on line at the City’s web site at
City of South Daytona, Florida // Home Page (http://www.southdaytona.org).
5. A $30 annual registration fee (or prorated at $2.50 per month) is required. Once paid, you will be issued a decal to place on your windshield to indicate your cart has been approved for use on local streets.
6. The registration is valid for one calendar year with an annual renewal beginning and due in January of each year. If you move, you will need to notify the Police Department of your address change.

HAPPY AND SAFE CARTING!

Please remember that using golf carts on City streets is a privilege, not a right. The City reserves the right to revoke any and all golf cart registrations as deemed necessary. The City Council also reserves the right to cancel this program at any time.

[outlaw]

Registration could be a way of verify compliance with mandatory rules for golf carts such as seatbelts, proper lighting systems and a speed check. On second thought, I am still upset about the registration requirements for drones of little weight.

And don't forget to "buckle up" when you fly that drone...

[twoplanekid]

And don't forget to "buckle up" when you fly that drone...

I decided to be very cautious and not bring a drone with me to fly during my long three months stay in The Villages. I would like to find a nearby airport to rent an aircraft and then fly around the local area. I and everyone else on board buckles up when I am flying. :spoken:

[Diver]

:undecided::popcorn:

[dbussone]

Opposed.

We have too much regulation already. I think someone has already posted about the new TV agency we would need for "compliance." The cost of "officials" or additional LEOs to enforce would be outrageous.

Come on folks, we don't live in NYC. Just act like the adults we are supposed to be.

[TrudyM]

Trudy, I'm curious. Do you think a SMALL sticker in the front window would have enabled you to see and remember the identifier number so you could pass on the information to Community Watch?


N0 I think we need plates.

[biker1]

I assume this is a new program that is just starting up? The issue with The Villages is that the cat has been let out of the bag for a long time. The resistance to paying for something that has been free will be enormous. Equally daunting will be the effort to setup the logistics for dealing with 60K golf carts. People who believe in this should forward their desires to the appropriate representatives. I doubt it will get traction, however. Voicing desires and objections in this forum is not very productive.


City of South Daytona
Police Department
Post Office Box 214960
1672 South Ridgewood Avenue (386) 322-3030 PHONE
South Daytona, FL 32121 (386) 322-3055 FAX
GOLF CART REGISTRATION PACKET

Dear Resident:

This package provides the information you will need to register your golf cart for use on selected City streets. The registration package consists of a registration and inspection form and information on the rules and regulations governing golf cart use on publicroads. In order to register your golf cart you will need to complete the following steps:

1. Complete the golf cart registration and sign where indicated.
2. Note that proof of insurance is required and you will need to contact your
insurance agent to obtain coverage.
3. Have a Police Department Community Service Officer inspect your golf cart and complete the form. Call 322-3030 to make an appointment for an inspection.
4. The City requires that you read and understand the Golf Cart Rules and
Regulations that are attached. The information is also available at the Police
Department and City Hall or may be viewed on line at the City’s web site at
City of South Daytona, Florida // Home Page (http://www.southdaytona.org).
5. A $30 annual registration fee (or prorated at $2.50 per month) is required. Once paid, you will be issued a decal to place on your windshield to indicate your cart has been approved for use on local streets.
6. The registration is valid for one calendar year with an annual renewal beginning and due in January of each year. If you move, you will need to notify the Police Department of your address change.

HAPPY AND SAFE CARTING!

Please remember that using golf carts on City streets is a privilege, not a right. The City reserves the right to revoke any and all golf cart registrations as deemed necessary. The City Council also reserves the right to cancel this program at any time.

[tomwed]

I don't feel like reading everything again. Is this an accurate summary of the debate?

Those in favor of plates agree that licensing a vehicle will make it easier for others if they are involved in an accident, or to identify if they see someone driving irresponsibly so they can accurately report the reckless driving to the authorities. This will make it a safer place to live.

Those against plates say the mmps are private, this will be expensive for everyone, it would require extra security to enforce and the chances of reading a plate accurately in a moving vehicle is questionable. This will; not make the place safer to live.

Did I miss anything?

[Bogie Shooter]

I don't feel like reading everything to answer your question.

[justjim]

I don't feel like reading everything again. Is this an accurate summary of the debate?

Those in favor of plates agree that licensing a vehicle will make it easier for others if they are involved in an accident, or to identify if they see someone driving irresponsibly so they can accurately report the reckless driving to the authorities. This will make it a safer place to live.

Those against plates say the mmps are private, this will be expensive for everyone, it would require extra security to enforce and the chances of reading a plate accurately in a moving vehicle is questionable. This will; not make the place safer to live.

Did I miss anything?

Nice Summary. I would only add the following: Most pros believe that a license plate would be necessary to be effective. Since TV is in three different counties you would need to get all three counties involved. Cons: You hit the nail on the head---costs, bureaucracy, regulation and more law enforcement.

If the goal is to make TV a safer place then are we asking the right question? I seriously doubt a license plate or sticker would significantly make us safer as we drive our golf carts throughout The Villages. Given the accidents and fatalities over the years perhaps making seat belts mandatory would be more effective in making us safer. Perhaps off subject-----just a thought. :gc:

[dbussone]

Nice Summary. I would only add the following: Most pros believe that a license plate would be necessary to be effective. Since TV is in three different counties you would need to get all three counties involved. Cons: You hit the nail on the head---costs, bureaucracy, regulation and more law enforcement.



If the goal is to make TV a safer place then are we asking the right question? I seriously doubt a license plate or sticker would significantly make us safer as we drive our golf carts throughout The Villages. Given the accidents and fatalities over the years perhaps making seat belts mandatory would be more effective in making us safer. Perhaps off subject-----just a thought. :gc:


Well said.

[Sandtrap328]

Nice Summary. I would only add the following: Most pros believe that a license plate would be necessary to be effective. Since TV is in three different counties you would need to get all three counties involved. Cons: You hit the nail on the head---costs, bureaucracy, regulation and more law enforcement.

If the goal is to make TV a safer place then are we asking the right question? I seriously doubt a license plate or sticker would significantly make us safer as we drive our golf carts throughout The Villages. Given the accidents and fatalities over the years perhaps making seat belts mandatory would be more effective in making us safer. Perhaps off subject-----just a thought. :gc:

ID tags, license plates, serial numbers, etc are all too complicated and would too much work to properly administer for the limited amount of good they could do.

For the main part, I believe it is the golf carts which exceed the 20 mph limit ( not the street legal ones which have a 25 mph limit). I have been passed on Morse by carts doing well over 35. One cart passed me on Morse a couple of months ago at around 35. He should have checked his surroundings better. He was immediately pulled over by a Deputy! Costly error on his part.

[golfing eagles]

Actually I view this thread as a microcosm of the current national debate:

Do we want a country based on traditional American values and freedoms, the ones that the US was founded upon, or

Do we want a country governed by an overreaching nanny state that regulates every facet of our lives, in the name of "safety" or "social justice"(whatever that is)

This is for the voters to decide, next opportunity Nov 2016

[Barefoot]

I don't feel like reading everything again. Is this an accurate summary of the debate? ...... Did I miss anything?
I don't feel like reading everything to answer your question.
:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[tomwed]

Actually I view this thread as a microcosm of the current national debate:

Do we want a country based on traditional American values and freedoms, the ones that the US was founded upon, or

Do we want a country governed by an overreaching nanny state that regulates every facet of our lives, in the name of "safety" or "social justice"(whatever that is)

This is for the voters to decide, next opportunity Nov 2016

And the lobbyists would be the golf cart manufactures who can prove they are safe or the seat belt installers who can prove they are effective?

[PennBF]

My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!:bowdown:

[Barefoot]

It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.


You seem to be ignoring the fact that a little number on the window of a golf cart wouldn't be visible in most cases.
For instance, if someone wanted to report a six-year old driver who sped by them, how would they obtain the identifier number?

[Fredster]

Would it be wise to have your Village ID # in public view on your golf cart?
Plus I also think it would be too small to be of much use!
"My goodness, how people can complicate things"
I don't think you fully understand how complicated it would be doing what
you propose after the bureaucrats get involved with it!
And they most certainly would!

[golfing eagles]

You seem to be ignoring the fact that a little number on the window of a golf cart wouldn't be visible in most cases.
For instance, if someone wanted to report a six-year old driver who sped by them, how would they obtain the identifier number?

The problem is that you and I don't have the right mindset to understand this. We think the goal of a rule/law/regulation should be to achieve a purpose, in this case identification of a golf cart that broke existing rules, especially something as egregious as a hit and run. When we realize that a small sticker would be ineffective, we cross that idea off our list. To others, however, the goal of a law is the law itself. More laws and bigger government is "good", even if it achieves absolutely nothing. Hence, my previous comment on the broader national debate. To each his own, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just happen to be goal oriented, maybe those with a broader philosophical ideology are smarter than I....

[tomwed]

My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!:bowdown:

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[obxgal]

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[tomwed]

My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!:bowdown:

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[golfing eagles]

Tom, are you OK?---it looks like you have a frog stuck in your throat:1rotfl:

[tomwed]

Tom, are you OK?---it looks like you have a frog stuck in your throat:1rotfl:
yea, i'm ok----
at first i thought the thread was about improving safety--i'm all for that

[golfing eagles]

I think everyone would like to see safety improved, except maybe the offenders. But I would like to see, if possible, an effective, acceptable cost solution, not some Draconian big government regulatory agency.

[Barefoot]

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golfing eagles === Tom, are you OK?---it looks like you have a frog stuck in your throat
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It's OK Tom, spit it out and tell us what you really think! :laugh:

[bagboy]

This thread reminds me of my 4 year old grandson stomping off to his room because he didn't get his way. And being a child, he too could come up with several reasons and analogies to justify his position.

[Chatbrat]

We've all seen this happen-a souped up golf cart,pulling out from behind 3 golf carts & passing all 3 of them at once-there are a few guys on Bailey Trail, that do this on a regular basis-must be rushing to the Cane Garden for their happy hour seat @ the bar.

[tomwed]

This thread reminds me of my 4 year old grandson stomping off to his room because he didn't get his way. And being a child, he too could come up with several reasons and analogies to justify his position.
I see your point.
"I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts." was the OP's suggestion. It was never about safety.

[PennBF]

It was never meant to be for safety. It was more for "accountability". As you can see from some of the feed backs there are significant objections with being identified or held accountable and this further supports the advantage of having an ID. The same argument being made for not having an ID is the strong support as to why one is needed. :bowdown:

[Fredster]

It was never meant to be for safety. It was more for "accountability". As you can see from some of the feed backs there are significant objections with being identified or held accountable and this further supports the advantage of having an ID. The same argument being made for not having an ID is the strong support as to why one is needed. :bowdown:

Apparently you don't get that a small ID number would not do any good in just about all of the cases, and you apparently don't see how it would lead to another layer of bureaucracy for many, because of a few irresponsible individuals.

[ldj1938]

Please delete this stupid thread!

[ditka41]

Please delete this stupid thread!

"stupid" may possibly be too strong for the condition. Perhaps "bored" and not choosing to do anything worthwhile would work. This just fits in with other ridiculous common complaints about life here in "paradise". If the LEO's don't control violations now, why turn it over to a bunch of busybodies to report and whine about?

[yabbadu]

Wait until Big Brother hides the camera's in the trees!

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Please delete this stupid thread!

I second that!

:agree:

[Barefoot]

Apparently you don't get that a small ID number would not do any good in just about all of the cases, and you apparently don't see how it would lead to another layer of bureaucracy for many, because of a few irresponsible individuals.
:agree:
PennBF has not addressed the fact that accountability would be minimal if drivers were required to place a small number on a golf cart window. :confused:

[Barefoot]

Please delete this stupid thread!
If this thread bothers you, why not stop reading it?

[Chatbrat]

Its stupid because his cart max's out @ 32mph

[golfing eagles]

:agree: PennBF refuses to address the fact that accountability would be minimal if drivers were required to place a small number on a golf cart window. :confused:


Besides which, we're all ACCOUNTABLE for our actions----this thread seems to be more about getting CAUGHT violating rules. I see three choices:

1) Do nothing

2) Do something ineffective such as a small sticker, at moderate cost

3) Do something Draconian at high cost---ranging from full size license plates, to cameras every 5 feet, to GPS ID chips in carts, and while at it, why not drivers, to NSA satellite tracking of 60,000 carts.

You decide. But no matter which option the majority favors, in all likelihood nothing will be done anyway

[Barefoot]

Besides which, we're all ACCOUNTABLE for our actions----this thread seems to be more about getting CAUGHT violating rules. I see three choices:

1) Do nothing

2) Do something ineffective such as a small sticker, at moderate cost

3) Do something Draconian at high cost---ranging from full size license plates, to cameras every 5 feet, to GPS ID chips in carts, and while at it, why not drivers, to NSA satellite tracking of 60,000 carts.

You decide. But no matter which option the majority favors, in all likelihood nothing will be done anyway Very true. :ho:

[ditka41]

Option #3 would temporarily make all the "granny / nanny" types happy, but quickly destitute. Once we all have a chip implanted in our ear there will be no end to the things that can be tracked. Now I understand why "1984" was required reading in high school. -- Even mice living in severely overcrowded conditions will try to destroy each other and some folks must believe we've nearly reached that point. Guess "stupid" really was the correct word.

[tomwed]

Besides which, we're all ACCOUNTABLE for our actions----this thread seems to be more about getting CAUGHT violating rules. I see three choices:

1) Do nothing

2) Do something ineffective such as a small sticker, at moderate cost

3) Do something Draconian at high cost---ranging from full size license plates, to cameras every 5 feet, to GPS ID chips in carts, and while at it, why not drivers, to NSA satellite tracking of 60,000 carts.

You decide. But no matter which option the majority favors, in all likelihood nothing will be done anyway
I agree.

[golfing eagles]

Option #3 would temporarily make all the "granny / nanny" types happy, but quickly destitute. Once we all have a chip implanted in our ear there will be no end to the things that can be tracked. Now I understand why "1984" was required reading in high school. -- Even mice living in severely overcrowded conditions will try to destroy each other and some folks must believe we've nearly reached that point. Guess "stupid" really was the correct word.

1984 was required reading when WE were in high school. I'm afraid the new reading list includes "Rules for Radicals" and "Dreams from my Father"

[tomwed]

Option #3 would temporarily make all the "granny / nanny" types happy, but quickly destitute. Once we all have a chip implanted in our ear there will be no end to the things that can be tracked. Now I understand why "1984" was required reading in high school. -- Even mice living in severely overcrowded conditions will try to destroy each other and some folks must believe we've nearly reached that point. Guess "stupid" really was the correct word.
That's kind of funny isn't it? When we read 1984 it was the distant future? Now it's when Ronald Reagan was president.
What did we learn from Lord of the Flies?

[golfing eagles]

That's kind of funny isn't it? When we read 1984 it was the distant future? Now it's when Ronald Reagan was president.
What did we learn from Lord of the Flies?

That William Golding was not a very good writer?????

[tomwed]

That William Golding was not a very good writer?????ahahahahahahahahahaha

[Moderator]

Back to the original topic.... requiring identification on golf carts for accountability.

[graciegirl]

Besides which, we're all ACCOUNTABLE for our actions----this thread seems to be more about getting CAUGHT violating rules. I see three choices:

1) Do nothing

2) Do something ineffective such as a small sticker, at moderate cost

3) Do something Draconian at high cost---ranging from full size license plates, to cameras every 5 feet, to GPS ID chips in carts, and while at it, why not drivers, to NSA satellite tracking of 60,000 carts.

You decide. But no matter which option the majority favors, in all likelihood nothing will be done anyway





If there is anything I treasure above all else in a human is the ability to see the bottom line.


Bet your mother is a wonderful woman and your dad isn't too shabby either.

[AJGeorge]

The simplest solution would be to put the Unit and Lot number of the cart owners residence. No need for any new agency or cost, other than having two decals made one for front and on for the back.

[CFrance]

Please delete this stupid thread!
This is a forum. There aren't any stupid threads; there are only stupid posts.

[Mleeja]

This thread has taken on a life of its own. I can't believe there has been 103, now 104, post for something that is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

[Polar Bear]

...something that is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!
Any thread has value for discussion, but I must agree with this point.

[PennBF]

There is no thing as "never". One post recommended placing the Owner ID No. on the front and back of the cart. And a small "stick'em" would be a good way. I would agree it is going to be difficult to sell the idea of ID's as there are more loud ones who want to avoid consequences for bad behavior than ones who are willing to speak out and be held responsible for their behavior. I don't think it is necessary to point out some of the ones who don't want themselves to be identified as it is pretty self evident. Just watch the closing of the Squares in the evening or the porches on the restaurants and you get a real good idea of who do not want ID's. This is not rocket science.:bowdown:

[Barefoot]

One post recommended placing the Owner ID No. on the front and back of the cart. And a small "stick'em" would be a good way. I would agree it is going to be difficult to sell the idea of ID's as there are more loud ones who want to avoid consequences for bad behavior than ones who are willing to speak out and be held responsible for their behavior. I don't think it is necessary to point out some of the ones who don't want themselves to be identified as it is pretty self evident. Just watch the closing of the Squares in the evening or the porches on the restaurants and you get a real good idea of who do not want ID's. This is not rocket science.

Because a poster thinks that a small stick'em would be of no value in identifying miscreants, that doesn't mean the poster is a "loud one who wants to avoid consequences for bad behavior". :ohdear:

[PennBF]

Unfortunately it usually does mean the loud one wants to avoid consequences. :shrug:

[golfing eagles]

Unfortunately it usually does mean the loud one wants to avoid consequences. :shrug:

You sound like a reasonably intelligent person, why are you having trouble getting the point? All we are saying is that a small sticker will achieve nothing. Period. So the real debate should be in regards to a cart ID large enough to be visible after some violation. That will boil down to the cost vs the benefit. Period. I don't see any reason to attribute motivation to any of the posters beyond that.

[Barefoot]

Because a poster thinks that a small stick'em would be of no value in identifying miscreants, that doesn't mean the poster is a "loud one who wants to avoid consequences for bad behavior". :ohdear:

Unfortunately it usually does mean the loud one wants to avoid consequences. :shrug:

We have a different outlook on life.
I don't think that people who disagree with your opinion are necessarily "loud ones".
It can simply mean that posters feel that a small stick'em would be of little use in identifying speeders, underage drivers or other miscreants.

[DonH57]

Almost any time I've been passed by another cart doing whatever wrong, by the time I realize it in passing them I've forgotten a few details about the cart and they are long gone. You would have to have a really good size plate, sign, or sticker to do any good. A dash cam would only be of half decent way to catch miscreants and I already have enough stuff to buy.

[Jayhawk]

My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!:bowdown:


Sounds like carrying your Villages ID would solve the problem you have. Yes, we all have one. Yes, we show it at the rec centers and the pools. But I don't need a sticker on my billiards cue or my swimming speedo :pepper2:in order to access the amenities:) My ID card is all I need.

[Kannon451]

My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!:bowdown:

Just curious, assuming this was implemented. One day you observe a golf cart driver doing something warrenting you calling the police and then turn in. Would you provide the police with your name and address and be ok with the police providing that person with your name and address as evidence of their deed, or would you prefer to be anonymous?

[Polar Bear]

...When you go into a Rec center...Same applies to pools, etc...

I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!...
Okay...name another private, personal possession (like a golf cart) where you have to show your ID to use it. Certainly not the rec centers or pools or any other shared Villages facility where the ID's are shown.

[tomwed]

Just curious, assuming this was implemented. One day you observe a golf cart driver doing something warrenting you calling the police and then turn in. Would you provide the police with your name and address and be ok with the police providing that person with your name and address as evidence of their deed, or would you prefer to be anonymous?
I think I see what you mean.

[Sandtrap328]

Just curious, assuming this was implemented. One day you observe a golf cart driver doing something warrenting you calling the police and then turn in. Would you provide the police with your name and address and be ok with the police providing that person with your name and address as evidence of their deed, or would you prefer to be anonymous?

I would logically assume that the informant would have to give their name to the police. Aren't citizens guaranteed the right to know their accuser?

Just being able to make accusations to the police and remain anonymous might lead to lots of false accusations just because someone had a grudge against another - (not that grudges ever happen in The Villages).

[dbussone]

I would logically assume that the informant would have to give their name to the police. Aren't citizens guaranteed the right to know their accuser?



Just being able to make accusations to the police and remain anonymous might lead to lots of false accusations just because someone had a grudge against another - (not that grudges ever happen in The Villages).


The police already have a special process where one can anonymously report a crime or related information. It's called Crime Watchers. No ID information requested, none need be given.

[tomwed]

The police already have a special process where one can anonymously report a crime or related information. It's called Crime Watchers. No ID information requested, none need be given.

I googled this and couldn't find anything.
"Crime Watchers" florida police department sumter county"
Do you have link?

[dbussone]

I googled this and couldn't find anything.

"Crime Watchers" florida police department sumter county"

Do you have link?


It is Crime Stoppers (not Watchers) Tom. Sorry for the confusion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Stoppers

[tomwed]

It is Crime Stoppers (not Watchers) Tom. Sorry for the confusion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Stoppers
That's a great program but I get the sense it's mainly in place for serious crimes.

[PennBF]

Darn, I guess that since my simple suggestion of a small sticker on carts for ID has upset so many that a suggestion for all to get ID Tattoes with name and street number or Dog Tags for all residents is going to have real problems.
Come on guys. Does this really deserve 11+ pages in TOTV's. It was not rocket science thinking and was to give some thought to "accountability". Time to get a life!:laugh:

[tomwed]

Darn, I guess that since my simple suggestion of a small sticker on carts for ID has upset so many that a suggestion for all to get ID Tattoes with name and street number or Dog Tags for all residents is going to have real problems.
Come on guys. Does this really deserve 11+ pages in TOTV's. It was not rocket science thinking and was to give some thought to "accountability". Time to get a life!:laugh:
That was your 1,000th post.

[dbussone]

That was your 1,000th post.


Happy New Year!

[tomwed]

It's all about accountability.