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Taltarzac725
12-29-2015, 01:47 PM
Retired cops in the Villages planning protest of Quentin Tarantino's new film after his comments calling police 'murderers' - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/lake/os-villages-hateful-eight-boycott-quentin-tarantino-20151229-story.html)


Well, I will still go as it takes a lot more than one man or woman to make a movie. This is like boycotting a concert because the conductor is an @#$%^. Or not going to a public library because the Library Director is a crook.

The Hateful Eight opens here in the Villages but just at the Rialto Theater as far as I know. What are they going to do ask people what movie they are going to see and then argue with them about not seeing it?

I have a deep respect for law enforcement even if I did cross swords with some of them as a Student Attorney at Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners back at the headquarters of the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office.

graciegirl
12-29-2015, 02:30 PM
But this sounds to me like the opposite of a chick flick. I don't think I have any testosterone in my body except a drop here or there that makes my eyebrows grow in strange places.

Here is what Roger Ebert says about it. Sounds pretty bloody and full of torture and rape and breaking the rules. Not interested.

The Hateful Eight Movie Review (2015) | Roger Ebert (http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-hateful-eight-2015)

Sandtrap328
12-29-2015, 03:16 PM
Supporting a picket or boycott is absolutely legal. If a group does not like the actions of the director, let them boycott.

Personally, after reading the movie review, I am not going to see it just based on the fact I don't like ultra-violent movies.

Jima64
12-29-2015, 03:29 PM
violence, gore and mayhem definitely brings out the movie goer. I'm too much of a lawenforcement supporter to let one director makes some bucks upset me. Information protesters always have my support whether I believe in what they do or not.

onslowe
12-29-2015, 03:41 PM
Compounding Tarantino's obnoxious views, we now have one of the actors, Samuel L. Jackson, coming out with his own failed hope that the San Bernardino shooters were 'white guys' and not Muslims. Maybe there was a 'stupid' virus on the set.

MarkinMd
12-29-2015, 03:47 PM
I'm sure I will not see his movie. He would probably only make .15 on my $15.00 ticket but it's my choice to not put one dime in his pocket. It's not only his movie that I wouldn't patronize but also people like Michael Moore and Sean Penn. I do support your right to go see it or not, it's your money.

A few years ago when I was working as a policeman I was assigned to a security detail that provided protection to a certain Baptist church that travels throughout the US protesting at police and military funerals. It was personally distasteful for me but it was orders from above and the US Supreme Court said it was a lawful protest.

As long as the boycott/protest is lawful you should't have any issues.

Taltarzac725
12-29-2015, 04:48 PM
I'm sure I will not see his movie. He would probably only make .15 on my $15.00 ticket but it's my choice to not put one dime in his pocket. It's not only his movie that I wouldn't patronize but also people like Michael Moore and Sean Penn. I do support your right to go see it or not, it's your money.

A few years ago when I was working as a policeman I was assigned to a security detail that provided protection to a certain Baptist church that travels throughout the US protesting at police and military funerals. It was personally distasteful for me but it was orders from above and the US Supreme Court said it was a lawful protest.

As long as the boycott/protest is lawful you should't have any issues.

As a Student Director at Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners while at the University of Minnesota Law School I had to represent as a Student Attorney two boys who burned down a school library. My passion is libraries so this was very hard for me but I did though my Attorney Supervisor as much as I could for them. I cannot go into any detail even if I remembered them from 1988-1989.

Also I had a stalker Gail P., at the University of Minnesota Library who was researching her case from a U of MN Mathematics Professor for stalking him. I helped her as much as I was supposed to according to my librarianship training but it was difficult when she started harassing my then live-in girlfriend Jennifer V. Still the U of MN Law Library was loath to step on the rights of Gail P.

I do recognize the difficulties of balancing different interests.

rubicon
12-29-2015, 05:15 PM
Well I'll admit it I am old school and Tarantino's and Jackson's comments make it clear that they praise and support those thugs who bear false witness against all law enforcement. i will not watch this movie even when it finally reaches pay television. I did the same with Jamie Fox and the .....Unchained because he kept saying its so cool I get to kill white guys and in my view he meant it otherwise why would he have placed such an emphasis on this aspect of the movie on SNL He protest too much methinks

Secondly these guys are hypocrites calling for restraint on cops when they promote violence. Calling for gun control when they promote violence mayhem and anarchy. the more i write the more I discover how much I dislike Hollywood types:cus:

manaboutown
12-29-2015, 05:27 PM
This appears to just be more trash fostered upon the public by twisted Hollywood slime slingers.

Retiring
12-29-2015, 05:43 PM
I'm sure I will not see his movie. He would probably only make .15 on my $15.00 ticket but it's my choice to not put one dime in his pocket. It's not only his movie that I wouldn't patronize but also people like Michael Moore and Sean Penn. I do support your right to go see it or not, it's your money.

A few years ago when I was working as a policeman I was assigned to a security detail that provided protection to a certain Baptist church that travels throughout the US protesting at police and military funerals. It was personally distasteful for me but it was orders from above and the US Supreme Court said it was a lawful protest.

As long as the boycott/protest is lawful you should't have any issues.


He will make much more than .15 cents from your $15 tickets. You might be shocked to know the theater, in the first week, often pays 90-95% of box office to the studio. Theater profits come from the concession stand.

I'll pass on this flick.

Rango
12-29-2015, 06:36 PM
[QUOTE=graciegirl;1164351]But this sounds to me like the opposite of a chick flick. I don't think I have any testosterone in my body except a drop here or there that makes my eyebrows grow in strange places.

Here is what Roger Ebert says about it. Sounds pretty bloody and full of torture and rape and breaking the rules. Not interested.

The Hateful Eight Movie Review (2015) | Roger Ebert (http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-hateful-eight-2015)[/QU

All his movies are over the top in Blood and violence. I walked out of the last movie of his I saw. It's blood and gore that adds nothing to the story

circletrack
12-29-2015, 10:26 PM
But this sounds to me like the opposite of a chick flick. I don't think I have any testosterone in my body except a drop here or there that makes my eyebrows grow in strange places.

Here is what Roger Ebert says about it. Sounds pretty bloody and full of torture and rape and breaking the rules. Not interested.

The Hateful Eight Movie Review (2015) | Roger Ebert (http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-hateful-eight-2015)


From the grave?

pauld315
12-29-2015, 10:33 PM
I will pass in support of the police.

Taltarzac725
12-29-2015, 10:34 PM
From the grave?

It is his stand-in Matt Zoller Seitz Biography & Movie Reviews | Roger Ebert (http://www.rogerebert.com/contributors/matt-zoller-seitz).

I do not see going to this movie as being against the police but for all the other people who have put work into this movie which includes probably a thousand people or more when you think of all the movie theater employees, movie distributors, advertisers, and then the quite large crowd that got the thing onto film and that includes many people you never see in the film.

And I do not believe that people should be penalized like this for speaking their mind like Quentin Tarantino has done.

I will probably just buy some advance tickets to The Hateful Eight or go somewhere else as to avoid all the drama of this boycott.

As to violence in movies I have never seen a close casual connection made with respect to this violence and ACTIONS done by people with hatred in their minds and hearts and/or mental illness. Some of the great works of literature are very violent like The Iliad, The Bible, many Shakespeare plays, etc.

circletrack
12-29-2015, 11:46 PM
They may have some trouble doing it on the square won't they? How long was "The Wall" protest allowed to go on for?

rubicon
12-30-2015, 04:59 AM
It is his stand-in Matt Zoller Seitz Biography & Movie Reviews | Roger Ebert (http://www.rogerebert.com/contributors/matt-zoller-seitz).

I do not see going to this movie as being against the police but for all the other people who have put work into this movie which includes probably a thousand people or more when you think of all the movie theater employees, movie distributors, advertisers, and then the quite large crowd that got the thing onto film and that includes many people you never see in the film.

And I do not believe that people should be penalized like this for speaking their mind like Quentin Tarantino has done.

I will probably just buy some advance tickets to The Hateful Eight or go somewhere else as to avoid all the drama of this boycott.

As to violence in movies I have never seen a close casual connection made with respect to this violence and ACTIONS done by people with hatred in their minds and hearts and/or mental illness. Some of the great works of literature are very violent like The Iliad, The Bible, many Shakespeare plays, etc.

Hi Tal: I have supported or been in agreement on many issues you have addressed on this forum over the years but on this one I disagree. Those thousands of people who were paid to produce and promote this film are complicit in peddling gratuitous violence to young fragile minds in our society.
Depicting hardships and cruelty of say settling the west etc is one thing but this guy's movies all point to promoting anarchy. And so the pivotal word for me and the difference between our views is "gratuitous" And whether its violence or sex as the topic of discussion it is harmful for a society to be continually bombarded with this sort of filth.

I suspect many Americans have had a belly full of it and desire a higher art form.

I also support Tarantino's right to speak out but with rights come responsibilities and he has a responsibility like all of us to be fair and objective in what he says and does and not slander or unfairly defame a person(s). Also with his rights come the consequences of his acts and I pray for a sensible and reasonable response from citizens who support the police in this effort.

Finally I am sick of Hollywood types who continue to show disdain for America like the Fonda's Moore's, Mahar's , Affleck's,Jackson's , Sharpton's et al.

Personal Best Regards:

graciegirl
12-30-2015, 07:22 AM
From the grave?


Tal has already answered this. A site still exists; Roger Ebert.com and the person who wrote the review is editor in chief and Pulitzer Prize winner, a man named Matt Zoller Seitz.

Matt Zoller Seitz Biography & Movie Reviews | Roger Ebert (http://www.rogerebert.com/contributors/matt-zoller-seitz)

Taltarzac725
12-30-2015, 07:47 AM
SPSSI | Media Violence Statement (http://www.spssi.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=page.viewPage&pageID=1899&nodeID=1)

Should we boycott all movies with sex and violence that are playing here in the Villages???

Polar Bear
12-30-2015, 07:47 AM
Tal has already answered this. A site still exists; Roger Ebert.com and the person who wrote the review is editor in chief and Pulitzer Prize winner, a man named Matt Zoller Seitz.

Matt Zoller Seitz Biography & Movie Reviews | Roger Ebert (http://www.rogerebert.com/contributors/matt-zoller-seitz)

Still my go-to site for movie reviews.

Taltarzac725
12-30-2015, 07:58 AM
https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/30/police-unions-freak-out-over-quentin-tar

A more reasonable discussion of what Quentin Tarantino said.

"I'm a human being with a conscience," said Tarantino, who flew in from California for the event. "And if you believe there's murder going on then you need to rise up and stand up against it. I'm here to say I'm on the side of the murdered."

It looks like some police chiefs and union leaders have politicized this for the sake of the moral of their troops. Because of his movies, Tarantino looks like a easy target.

Taltarzac725
12-30-2015, 08:03 AM
The Motion Picture Production Code of 1930 (Hays Code) (http://www.artsreformation.com/a001/hays-code.html)

Anyone remember the Hays Code? Remembering Hollywood's Hays Code, 40 Years On : NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93301189) The History of Hollywood Censorship and the Ratings System | FilmmakerIQ.com (http://filmmakeriq.com/lessons/the-history-of-hollywood-censorship-and-the-ratings-system/) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Production_Code

virgind
12-30-2015, 08:04 AM
If you want to boycott violence go to an intercity and demonstrate there.

Taltarzac725
12-30-2015, 08:09 AM
If you want to boycott violence go to an intercity and demonstrate there.

A better solution would be to volunteer in community projects like some in Ocala, Orlando, and elsewhere that have problems with violence and poverty.

biker1
12-30-2015, 08:18 AM
The great thing about America is that we can all say what we want, as well as make movies with any amount of violence (assuming we can get someone to bankroll the production and people go to see it) - Capitalism, baby. Oh, by the way, if you slander someone they can sue you. So while there are no limits on free speach there may be consequences.

Hey, its a movie. If you don't like it, or QT, then don't go to see it. There are lots of things I don't care for but I particularly like that I live in a society where my personal opinions don't infringe on what others might like. Most reasonable people can separate a work of fiction from the real world. I tune out the noise from people whose view points I don't believe in.

Hi Tal: I have supported or been in agreement on many issues you have addressed on this forum over the years but on this one I disagree. Those thousands of people who were paid to produce and promote this film are complicit in peddling gratuitous violence to young fragile minds in our society.
Depicting hardships and cruelty of say settling the west etc is one thing but this guy's movies all point to promoting anarchy. And so the pivotal word for me and the difference between our views is "gratuitous" And whether its violence or sex as the topic of discussion it is harmful for a society to be continually bombarded with this sort of filth.

I suspect many Americans have had a belly full of it and desire a higher art form.

I also support Tarantino's right to speak out but with rights come responsibilities and he has a responsibility like all of us to be fair and objective in what he says and does and not slander or unfairly defame a person(s). Also with his rights come the consequences of his acts and I pray for a sensible and reasonable response from citizens who support the police in this effort.

Finally I am sick of Hollywood types who continue to show disdain for America like the Fonda's Moore's, Mahar's , Affleck's,Jackson's , Sharpton's et al.

Personal Best Regards:

Walter123
12-30-2015, 08:19 AM
But this sounds to me like the opposite of a chick flick. I don't think I have any testosterone in my body except a drop here or there that makes my eyebrows grow in strange places.

Here is what Roger Ebert says about it. Sounds pretty bloody and full of torture and rape and breaking the rules. Not interested.

The Hateful Eight Movie Review (2015) | Roger Ebert (http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-hateful-eight-2015)

I don't think the boycott is about the movie. The boycott is about him.

Nucky
12-30-2015, 08:25 AM
I will pass in support of the police.

Simple and in line with my feelings. Show the movie everywhere but I support the protesters, after all when I have needed help it's the protesters brothers and sisters that I have call on. The least I can do is support them when they need it without question. Retired law enforcement. Think about that. They made it through their entire career to TV and to some extent may have a slight case of PTSD, as they have witnessed things that most couldn't imagine. If I can support by simply not viewing a movie that supports the law enforcement officers why wouldn't I??

Taltarzac725
12-30-2015, 08:42 AM
Simple and in line with my feelings. Show the movie everywhere but I support the protesters, after all when I have needed help it's the protesters brothers and sisters that I have call on. The least I can do is support them when they need it without question. Retired law enforcement. Think about that. They made it through their entire career to TV and to some extent may have a slight case of PTSD, as they have witnessed things that most couldn't imagine. If I can support by simply not viewing a movie that supports the law enforcement officers why wouldn't I??

It sounds like the good officers though are being used for political gain of some police leaders who have taken Quentin Tarantino as an easy way to make points with their base.

I see nowhere that Tarantino attacked all cops as being murderers or anything close to that. He does make very bloody movies and has done so since Reservoir Dogs. I do not remember any police boycotts on Pulp Fiction or some of his other particularly violent movies like Kill Bill 1 and 2. They used a huge amount of fake blood for Kill Bill 1. Quentin Tarantino - Rotten Tomatoes (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/quentin_tarantino/)

Taltarzac725
12-30-2015, 08:49 AM
Police Unions Cease Boycott of The Hateful Eight -- Vulture (http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/police-unions-cease-boycott-of-the-hateful-eight.html)

It looks like many places have no boycotts planned. This may be an only in the Villages event. Police Unions Seemingly Abandon Plans to Boycott Tarantino's 'Hateful Eight' - Breitbart (http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/12/27/police-unions-seemingly-abandon-plans-boycott-tarantinos-hateful-eight/)

Makes a trip to Ocala or Leesburg more likely for me to see this movie if there are problems with retired cops picketing the Rialto because they have nothing better to do. The Hateful Eight is opening one day early in almost 2,000 theaters | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/29/10685428/the-hateful-eight-digital-wide-release-watch-tonight)

Sandtrap328
12-30-2015, 08:52 AM
A police boycott of the movie could be beneficial to the film maker. People may wonder what all the hoopla is about and line up to see the movie.

Again, excessive blood, violence, etc is not enjoyable for me. I will skip it.

However, I did see Star Wars a few days ago! I liked it. Great action, special effects, and good to see the Wookie again.

biker1
12-30-2015, 08:55 AM
I may protest the protest by going to see the movie ;-)

Police Unions Cease Boycott of The Hateful Eight -- Vulture (http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/police-unions-cease-boycott-of-the-hateful-eight.html)

It looks like many places have no boycotts planned. This may be an only in the Villages event. Police Unions Seemingly Abandon Plans to Boycott Tarantino's 'Hateful Eight' - Breitbart (http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/12/27/police-unions-seemingly-abandon-plans-boycott-tarantinos-hateful-eight/)

Makes a trip to Ocala or Leesburg more likely for me to see this movie if there are problems with retired cops picketing the Rialto because they have nothing better to do.

Taltarzac725
12-30-2015, 08:58 AM
A police boycott of the movie could be beneficial to the film maker. People may wonder what all the hoopla is about and line up to see the movie.

Again, excessive blood, violence, etc is not enjoyable for me. I will skip it.

However, I did see Star Wars a few days ago! I liked it. Great action, special effects, and good to see the Wookie again.

I plan to see Star Wars: The Force Awakens soon.

They are giving this movie some press on TOTV anyway and in the Orlando Sentinel. And if they cover it on one of the Orlando news stations-- which seems quite probable-- then that will give the movie even more of a buzz. Retired cops in the Villages planning protest of Quentin Tarantino's new film after his comments calling police 'murderers' - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/lake/os-villages-hateful-eight-boycott-quentin-tarantino-20151229-story.html)

One of the best and most violent movies I have ever seen is Saving Private Ryan. I do not remember anyone trying to boycott that. And it probably had the effect of making war look a lot less appealing a outcome for current events back when it came out around 1998. Saving Private Ryan*(1998) - Rotten Tomatoes (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/saving_private_ryan/)

Taltarzac725
12-30-2015, 09:15 AM
How Quentin Tarantino Really Feels About The Police Boycotts Of The Hateful Eight - CINEMABLEND (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-Quentin-Tarantino-Really-Feels-About-Police-Boycotts-Hateful-Eight-92597.html)

Some more information about Quentin Tarantino and his feelings about the police. He does admittedly have a big mouth and puts his foot in it but that has seemed the rule of late of others if you watch a lot of news.

This too -- Why The Hateful Eight Boycott is Worse than a Waste of Time :: Movies :: Features :: Paste (http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/11/why-the-hateful-eight-boycott-is-worse-than-a-wast.html)

Taltarzac725
12-30-2015, 09:22 AM
But this sounds to me like the opposite of a chick flick. I don't think I have any testosterone in my body except a drop here or there that makes my eyebrows grow in strange places.

Here is what Roger Ebert says about it. Sounds pretty bloody and full of torture and rape and breaking the rules. Not interested.

The Hateful Eight Movie Review (2015) | Roger Ebert (http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-hateful-eight-2015)

Funny sounding eyebrows. Thanks for jumping in on this thread GG. I appreciate your input.

TVMayor
12-30-2015, 10:28 AM
Some more information about Quentin Tarantino and his feelings about the police. He does admittedly have a big mouth and puts his foot in it but that has seemed the rule of late of others if you watch a lot of news.
Is he running for office?????

Taltarzac725
12-30-2015, 12:23 PM
Is he running for office?????

He does want people to see The Hateful Eight and many actors/directors/producers make a lot of stops in the publicity tours for these movies. Late night talk shows seem to have a lot of visits from Hollywood people pushing their latest works. Some of these people have less tact and charm than others.

I still like his movies even if they are overly violent and over-the-top. Eli Roth is another of these directors of quite violent movies and I really hated Knock Knock but would not try to stop people from seeing it as that usually backfires. Eli Roth - Rotten Tomatoes (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/eli_roth/)

TVMayor
12-30-2015, 01:05 PM
He does want people to see The Hateful Eight and many actors/directors/producers make a lot of stops in the publicity tours for these movies. Late night talk shows seem to have a lot of visits from Hollywood people pushing their latest works. Some of these people have less tact and charm than others.

I still like his movies even if they are overly violent and over-the-top. Eli Roth is another of these directors of quite violent movies and I really hated Knock Knock but would not try to stop people from seeing it as that usually backfires. Eli Roth - Rotten Tomatoes (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/eli_roth/)
I really hated Knock Knock, bad, bad, bad.

Taltarzac725
12-30-2015, 01:32 PM
I really hated Knock Knock, bad, bad, bad.

I am not a big fan of much of the work of Eli Roth. His movies make me think of the Saw films. I did find the Saw movies interesting if often horrifying at the same time.

I do not remember anyone boycotting the various Saw movies which were particularly violent.

Cathy H
12-30-2015, 04:25 PM
Compounding Tarantino's obnoxious views, we now have one of the actors, Samuel L. Jackson, coming out with his own failed hope that the San Bernardino shooters were 'white guys' and not Muslims. Maybe there was a 'stupid' virus on the set.

so muslims are not "white guys"? The bernadino shooters were not black.

kcrazorbackfan
12-30-2015, 08:11 PM
#bluelivesmatter

graciegirl
12-30-2015, 09:01 PM
so muslims are not "white guys"? The bernadino shooters were not black.



Here. See if you can figure it out.


Samuel L. Jackson wished San Bernardino jihadist killers were white | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/12/29/samuel-l-jackson-wished-san-bernadino-killers-had-been-some-crazy-white-dude/)

BobandMary
12-30-2015, 09:38 PM
Thanks, Gracie

tomwed
12-30-2015, 09:43 PM
Tarantino's opinion does not matter.

Taltarzac725
12-31-2015, 03:02 AM
Tarantino's opinion does not matter.

Sandy Kenyon reviews 'The Hateful Eight': Too boring to boycott? | abc7ny.com (http://abc7ny.com/entertainment/sandy-kenyon-reviews-the-hateful-eight-too-boring-to-boycott/1133695/)

Too boring to boycott?

Sandy Kenyon | ABC7 WABC News Team | abc7ny.com (http://abc7ny.com/about/newsteam/sandy-kenyon/)

OldManTime
12-31-2015, 10:19 AM
I attended the rally this morning, only about 50 people there, I was hoping for more.

TNLAKEPANDA
12-31-2015, 10:33 AM
I would not spend a dime seeing any of his films. Michael Moore is in the same boat but he never produces a major film. Whenever celebrities get political they end up loosing half their fans!

ednetdl
12-31-2015, 11:07 AM
Bluelivesmatter! I like that, great tweet!

biker1
12-31-2015, 11:13 AM
I personally don't pay attention to what "celebrities" say. They are simply not on my radar screen and the fact that the media makes a big deal of words out of someone's mouth is simply their play for more viewers. See his movies or don't see his movies: it really doesn't make any difference to QT. If it makes you feel better not to see his movies than that is fine. In the grand scheme of things, what entertainers say really doesn't matter.

I would not spend a dime seeing any of his films. Michael Moore is in the same boat but he never produces a major film. Whenever celebrities get political they end up loosing half their fans!

biker1
12-31-2015, 11:14 AM
Why?

I attended the rally this morning, only about 50 people there, I was hoping for more.

Chatbrat
12-31-2015, 12:43 PM
Another reason to boycott this movie, its star Samuel L. Jackson said," I was disappointed that the San Bernadino Shooters were not WHITE"--Hit these clowns in their wallets.

rubicon
12-31-2015, 01:40 PM
One of the best and most violent movies I have ever seen is Saving Private Ryan. I do not remember anyone trying to boycott that. And it probably had the effect of making war look a lot less appealing a outcome for current events back when it came out around 1998. Saving Private Ryan*(1998) - Rotten Tomatoes

But as I mentioned earlier movies such as Saving....had a social redeeming purpose in depicting the tragedy of war and the suffering and sacrifice of our military men and women.

Whereas Tarantino's movies are just gratuitous violence and sex (ie exploiting these topics) It is just not the same in my mind.

Its the difference between Amedeo Modigliani's "Reclining Nude" and hard core pornography

Personal Best Regards:

rubicon
12-31-2015, 02:12 PM
The great thing about America is that we can all say what we want, as well as make movies with any amount of violence (assuming we can get someone to bankroll the production and people go to see it) - Capitalism, baby. Oh, by the way, if you slander someone they can sue you. So while there are no limits on free speach there may be consequences.

Hey, its a movie. If you don't like it, or QT, then don't go to see it. There are lots of things I don't care for but I particularly like that I live in a society where my personal opinions don't infringe on what others might like. Most reasonable people can separate a work of fiction from the real world. I tune out the noise from people whose view points I don't believe in.

Hi biker: On one level I do agree. However while we can all say what we want there are some situations that warrant consequences, as you say...that's why one cannot yell "fire"in a theater or make threats about harming the President, etc.

However the question about movie making or for that matter entertaining in general has always been " does movie making reflect real life or does real life reflect movie making? In my view its both and in my view we have people who cannot differentiate. and while Hollywood will deny it they have a profound influence on how some people respond. witness all the fuss about Academy Awards, Emmy's etc

I suspect Hollywood and regulators back in the day understood this aspect and why the Motion Picture Industry promoted and abided by the General Principles cited in one of Tal's posts

Movies can be made to have viewers aspire to better things, to be patriotic as they did during WWII war years or to slide down that slippery slope to an abyss.

In Hollywood/entertainment Industry, today people who live good wholesome lives take a back seat to s/he who struggled with addictions dah dah dah and finally found peace in the heavens above ..let's celebrate their final victory ..Whitney Houston, et al and all that goes with that package deal to make money via movies TV specials, etc.

I say you do drugs expect your brain to get fried or be dead sooner than you wish and don't expect me to shed a tear. We all have problems most of us act grown up and solve them. I say if you do the crime do the time

In short Hollywood and people like Tarantino are contributing to the degrading of our society and therefore it is an infringement . Hence turning the dial to another station and all that malarkey is not enough. Responsible people must speak up

Personal Best Regards:

Retiring
12-31-2015, 02:32 PM
See his movies or don't see his movies: it really doesn't make any difference to QT.

That doesn�t make any sense. Of course it matters if people see Mr. Tarantino�s movies. No studio is going to bankroll him if he doesn�t make money for them. So, of course it matters.

biker1
12-31-2015, 02:58 PM
I was referring to the individual - his $8 is negligible. Boycotting his movies will not get any significant traction so it doesn't matter. Go ahead and tilt at windmills.

That doesn’t make any sense. Of course it matters if people see Mr. Tarantino’s movies. No studio is going to bankroll him if he doesn’t make money for them. So, of course it matters.

biker1
12-31-2015, 03:27 PM
I am pretty sure we have more to worry about than QT since a very small percentage of the population sees his movies. The new Star Wars movie was pretty violent and a lot more people will see that movie. George Lucas is probably more of a problem ;-)

Hi biker: On one level I do agree. However while we can all say what we want there are some situations that warrant consequences, as you say...that's why one cannot yell "fire"in a theater or make threats about harming the President, etc.

However the question about movie making or for that matter entertaining in general has always been " does movie making reflect real life or does real life reflect movie making? In my view its both and in my view we have people who cannot differentiate. and while Hollywood will deny it they have a profound influence on how some people respond. witness all the fuss about Academy Awards, Emmy's etc

I suspect Hollywood and regulators back in the day understood this aspect and why the Motion Picture Industry promoted and abided by the General Principles cited in one of Tal's posts

Movies can be made to have viewers aspire to better things, to be patriotic as they did during WWII war years or to slide down that slippery slope to an abyss.

In Hollywood/entertainment Industry, today people who live good wholesome lives take a back seat to s/he who struggled with addictions dah dah dah and finally found peace in the heavens above ..let's celebrate their final victory ..Whitney Houston, et al and all that goes with that package deal to make money via movies TV specials, etc.

I say you do drugs expect your brain to get fried or be dead sooner than you wish and don't expect me to shed a tear. We all have problems most of us act grown up and solve them. I say if you do the crime do the time

In short Hollywood and people like Tarantino are contributing to the degrading of our society and therefore it is an infringement . Hence turning the dial to another station and all that malarkey is not enough. Responsible people must speak up

Personal Best Regards:

tomwed
12-31-2015, 03:57 PM
He seems to be pretty successful if you compare the budget to the return. Tomatoes scores are all [but 1] above 80. That doesn't make him a genius in every subject.

Title Release date Budget Box office Rotten Tomatoes score
Reservoir Dogs October 23, 1992 $1.2 million $2.8 million 92%
Pulp Fiction October 14, 1994 $8 million $213.9 million 93%[105]
Jackie Brown December 25, 1997 $12 million $39.7 million 87%[106]
Kill Bill: Volume 1October 10, 2003 $30 million $180.9 million 85%[107]
Kill Bill: Volume 2April 16, 2004 $30 million $152.2 million 84%[108]
Death Proof April 6, 2007 $67 million $25.4 million 6
Inglourious Basterds August 21, 2009 $70 million $321.5 million 89%[110]
Django Unchained December 25, 2012 $100 million $425.4 million 88%[111]
The Hateful Eight December 25, 2015 $44 million 77%[112]

Taltarzac725
12-31-2015, 04:57 PM
Retired cops protesting Quentin Tarantino's new film in The Villages after controversial remarks - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/lake/os-villages-protest-hateful-eight-tarantino-20151231-story.html)

Update to thread.

Taltarzac725
01-01-2016, 08:48 AM
Retired cops protest Tarantino film - South Lake Press: News (http://www.southlakepress.com/news/article_bbcbdafd-e4ba-57ee-8d87-b2dd94d8c8d4.html)

Another article on the Villages' area retired cops and supporters and their demonstrating at the Rialto Theater.

Chi-Town
01-01-2016, 09:43 AM
Retired cops protest Tarantino film - South Lake Press: News (http://www.southlakepress.com/news/article_bbcbdafd-e4ba-57ee-8d87-b2dd94d8c8d4.html)

Another article on the Villages' area retired cops and supporters and their demonstrating at the Rialto Theater.
From the article:

"Members of The Villages Tea Party also came to protest in a crowd that was all white. A couple of protesters had T-shirts and golf carts with a Confederate Flag emblem attached. But people in the crowd said it wasn�t a racial issue."

Too bad about this as it distracts from the police officers intent. But I guess they felt that you can't let a good protest go to waste.

billethkid
01-01-2016, 11:00 AM
Too bad some of the protestors chose to blight their intent by using the black lives matter format instead of something more appropriate to their cause or intent.

In my opinion it cheapens and demeans their presence.

Retiring
01-01-2016, 04:00 PM
I really don’t know why some here are so upset that others choose not to spend their hard earned money on this film. If you want to see it, see it. You can see it a hundred times if you would like, no law against it.

Personally, I will not see this film. Not because it’s has extreme violence, because it’s a Tarantino film. I watched Mr. Tarantino’s speech, in full and in context. As for as I’m concerned Mr. Tarantino is a despicable human being. The thought of giving him one penny of my money makes me cringe.

I have a personal connection with law enforcement, both local and federal. A dear cousin (NYPD) and myself (federal).

Taltarzac725
01-01-2016, 04:26 PM
I really don’t know why some here are so upset that others choose not to spend their hard earned money on this film. If you want to see it, see it. You can see it a hundred times if you would like, no law against it.

Personally, I will not see this film. Not because it’s has extreme violence, because it’s a Tarantino film. I watched Mr. Tarantino’s speech, in full and in context. As for as I’m concerned Mr. Tarantino is a despicable human being. The thought of giving him one penny of my money makes me cringe.

I have a personal connection with law enforcement, both local and federal. A dear cousin (NYPD) and myself (federal).

Cannot see why police would be so angry with Tarantino when you take his words in context. He is upset with the violence by police by specific individuals in different police forces. It does seem that some police departments do have a problem with racism. That seems to be factual too that some police departments in this country still in 2014 have problems with racism. It goes both ways though. I mean that some blacks can be racist about whites. It is getting away from Martin Luther King, Jr.'s judging a man by the content of his character and not the color of his or her skin. Some people still do this in 2014 and 2015. Allow prejudice to creep in. Race, racism and law enforcement: A call to action (http://www.apa.org/monitor/2014/10/itpi.aspx)

kcrazorbackfan
01-01-2016, 04:33 PM
I really don’t know why some here are so upset that others choose not to spend their hard earned money on this film. If you want to see it, see it. You can see it a hundred times if you would like, no law against it.

Personally, I will not see this film. Not because it’s has extreme violence, because it’s a Tarantino film. I watched Mr. Tarantino’s speech, in full and in context. As for as I’m concerned Mr. Tarantino is a despicable human being. The thought of giving him one penny of my money makes me cringe.

I have a personal connection with law enforcement, both local and federal. A dear cousin (NYPD) and myself (federal).

:agree::BigApplause: We'll not be seeing it either (me - State, wife - Federal). We will get more enjoyment out of our money when my wife is able to play golf again rather than watching a movie produced by a cop hater.

biker1
01-01-2016, 05:36 PM
I don't see the value in going on a public forum and calling people names.

I really don�t know why some here are so upset that others choose not to spend their hard earned money on this film. If you want to see it, see it. You can see it a hundred times if you would like, no law against it.

Personally, I will not see this film. Not because it�s has extreme violence, because it�s a Tarantino film. I watched Mr. Tarantino�s speech, in full and in context. As for as I�m concerned Mr. Tarantino is a despicable human being. The thought of giving him one penny of my money makes me cringe.

I have a personal connection with law enforcement, both local and federal. A dear cousin (NYPD) and myself (federal).

Sandtrap328
01-01-2016, 06:08 PM
I go to the movies based on the content of the film and how much I enjoy the type of movie. Viewing extreme violent content, graphic blood, obscene language, and rape does absolutely nothing to say, "Hey, Sandtrap, let's see this movie".

I am passing on the film solely based on content.

Polar Bear
01-01-2016, 06:23 PM
I go to the movies based on the content of the film and how much I enjoy the type of movie...

Couldn't agree more.

blue72
01-01-2016, 07:08 PM
Cannot see why police would be so angry with Tarantino when you take his words in context. He is upset with the violence against police by specific individuals in different police forces. It does seem that some police departments do have a problem with racism. That seems to be factual too that some police departments in this country still in 2014 have problems with racism. It goes both ways though. I mean that some blacks can be racist about whites. It is getting away from Martin Luther King, Jr.'s judging a man by the content of his character and not the color of his or her skin. Some people still do this in 2014 and 2015. Allow prejudice to creep in. Race, racism and law enforcement: A call to action (http://www.apa.org/monitor/2014/10/itpi.aspx)

"Cannot see why police would be so angry with Tarantino when you take his words in context"

Timing is everything.
I read in your postings that this Black Lives Matters event had taken place only a few days after an NYPD Officer was shot in the head while attempting to arrest a fleeing felon. Also, within the past year, two NYPD Officers were executed subsequent to the growing negative propaganda spewed by ill informed Black Lives Matters protesters.
In another of your postings, the author speaks of the protests in Fugerson Mo. Michael Brown was a thug criminal who just prior to choosing to Batter a Police Officer, in fact committed a Felonious Strong Armed Robbery, yet the community protesters do not consider this.
I spent 37 years of my life as a Police Officer in Baltimore Md, NYPD, Cape Coral Fl. and Rikers Island.
I can tell you that I have watched race relations advance positively through the 70s-2000s, but since the actions of Eric Holder and his boss, much of these gains have been greatly reduced.
Yes, Police Officers on occasion do commit crimes and even murder. But these events although extremely negative for the community, and the Police are very very very rare.
So in the log run, if you cannot understand why the Cops, neighbors and others choose to protest Tarentino, oh well.
By the way, the suggestion that these men and women would better use their time volunteering in less fortunate neighborhoods............
Most of them have spent YEARS OF BLOOD SWEET AND TEARS doing the best they could working in a majority of these neighborhoods, many being shot, cut, beaten, and or severely disabled both physically and at times mentally resulting in PTSD. Its now their time to enjoy whatever's left.

Taltarzac725
01-01-2016, 08:19 PM
"Cannot see why police would be so angry with Tarantino when you take his words in context"

Timing is everything.
I read in your postings that this Black Lives Matters event had taken place only a few days after an NYPD Officer was shot in the head while attempting to arrest a fleeing felon. Also, within the past year, two NYPD Officers were executed subsequent to the growing negative propaganda spewed by ill informed Black Lives Matters protesters.
In another of your postings, the author speaks of the protests in Fugerson Mo. Michael Brown was a thug criminal who just prior to choosing to Batter a Police Officer, in fact committed a Felonious Strong Armed Robbery, yet the community protesters do not consider this.
I spent 37 years of my life as a Police Officer in Baltimore Md, NYPD, Cape Coral Fl. and Rikers Island.
I can tell you that I have watched race relations advance positively through the 70s-2000s, but since the actions of Eric Holder and his boss, much of these gains have been greatly reduced.
Yes, Police Officers on occasion do commit crimes and even murder. But these events although extremely negative for the community, and the Police are very very very rare.
So in the log run, if you cannot understand why the Cops, neighbors and others choose to protest Tarentino, oh well.
By the way, the suggestion that these men and women would better use their time volunteering in less fortunate neighborhoods............
Most of them have spent YEARS OF BLOOD SWEET AND TEARS doing the best they could working in a majority of these neighborhoods, many being shot, cut, beaten, and or severely disabled both physically and at times mentally resulting in PTSD. Its now their time to enjoy whatever's left.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html

It will take me some time to go over all this.

I said that retired officers would be more effective to their communities if they volunteered in Ocala, Leesburg and other local areas than picketing The Hateful Eight. Of course they have earned their retirements.

Quentin Tarantino made some vague statements about murders of suspects by police which has happened over the past few years.

Do you think this is all a marketing ploy? That would be upsetting but I do not see it as that.

gerryann
01-01-2016, 08:31 PM
:agree::BigApplause: We'll not be seeing it either (me - State, wife - Federal). We will get more enjoyment out of our money when my wife is able to play golf again rather than watching a movie produced by a cop hater.

I as well will never see this movie. He is a self proclaimed cop hater. How dare he blame ALL police officers for the VERY FEW abusive police. This is extreme prejudice and he should be ashamed of his comments. I will say to others, if you share the well deserved respect that all of the Law Enforcement officers deserve, then show your support by not seeing this movie.

Taltarzac725
01-01-2016, 09:45 PM
I as well will never see this movie. He is a self proclaimed cop hater. How dare he blame ALL police officers for the VERY FEW abusive police. This is extreme prejudice and he should be ashamed of his comments. I will say to others, if you share the well deserved respect that all of the Law Enforcement officers deserve, then show your support by not seeing this movie.

He never said that where I can find it. https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/30/police-unions-freak-out-over-quentin-tar

"I'm a human being with a conscience," said Tarantino, who flew in from California for the event. "And if you believe there's murder going on then you need to rise up and stand up against it. I'm here to say I'm on the side of the murdered."

blue72
01-02-2016, 12:58 AM
He never said that where I can find it. https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/30/police-unions-freak-out-over-quentin-tar

Once again, TIMING IS EVERYTHING. Unfortunately, there are Black lives Matter protests all over the country. This self serving scumbag chose to make his comments immediately after the assassination of the NYPD Officer in the City where the Officer was gunned down. That's reeks of marketing stink.

Nuff said.

rubicon
01-02-2016, 06:18 AM
Methinks Tarantino's title "The Hateful Eight" was a Freudian slip meant to include Quentin Tarantino, Samuel Jackson, Jamie Fox, Michal Moore, Bill Maher, Jane Fonda, Al Sharpton and Jeramiah Wright.

That's my story and I am sticking to it:D

biker1
01-02-2016, 07:53 AM
Another name caller? Also, please don't shout (upper case letters).

Once again, TIMING IS EVERYTHING. Unfortunately, there are Black lives Matter protests all over the country. This self serving scumbag chose to make his comments immediately after the assassination of the NYPD Officer in the City where the Officer was gunned down. That's reeks of marketing stink.

Nuff said.

biker1
01-02-2016, 08:00 AM
What is really ironic about your post is that you will probably find that nearly all of Hollywood is very far left. If you knew what they were thinking you would probably not watch any TV or movies. I personally don't care what Hollywood types say. I watch what I want to watch regardless of the personal views of those who made it. Boycotts and protests don't work on me either. You see, their words just aren't that important.

:agree::BigApplause: We'll not be seeing it either (me - State, wife - Federal). We will get more enjoyment out of our money when my wife is able to play golf again rather than watching a movie produced by a cop hater.

Taltarzac725
01-02-2016, 08:07 AM
What is really ironic about your post is that you will probably find that nearly all of Hollywood is very far left. If you knew what they were thinking you would probably not watch any TV or movies. I personally don't care what Hollywood types say. I watch what I want to watch regardless of the personal views of those who made it. Boycotts and protests don't work on me either. You see, words just aren't that important.

I did find Los Angeles kind of strange on my various visits but recall that there are a good number of Hollywood types who are rather hard line conservatives like one of my favorite Directors Clint Eastwood. I have seen every one of his movies and really do not care what he says at various political events like with that certain empty chair.

I still see no evidence that Tarantino was trying to capitalize on the murder of a NYPD officer for the sake of movie ticket sales. Many African-Americans have been in his movies since he started directing and he seems to be a champion of African American rights. He has been that way as long as he has been working in Hollywood. Quentin Tarantino says 'it's about damn time' US discussed its racist past | Film | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jan/02/quentin-tarantino-says-its-about-damn-time-us-discussed-its-racist-past)

Fred R
01-02-2016, 08:15 AM
"Cannot see why police would be so angry with Tarantino when you take his words in context"

Timing is everything.
I read in your postings that this Black Lives Matters event had taken place only a few days after an NYPD Officer was shot in the head while attempting to arrest a fleeing felon. Also, within the past year, two NYPD Officers were executed subsequent to the growing negative propaganda spewed by ill informed Black Lives Matters protesters.
In another of your postings, the author speaks of the protests in Fugerson Mo. Michael Brown was a thug criminal who just prior to choosing to Batter a Police Officer, in fact committed a Felonious Strong Armed Robbery, yet the community protesters do not consider this.
I spent 37 years of my life as a Police Officer in Baltimore Md, NYPD, Cape Coral Fl. and Rikers Island.
I can tell you that I have watched race relations advance positively through the 70s-2000s, but since the actions of Eric Holder and his boss, much of these gains have been greatly reduced.
Yes, Police Officers on occasion do commit crimes and even murder. But these events although extremely negative for the community, and the Police are very very very rare.
So in the log run, if you cannot understand why the Cops, neighbors and others choose to protest Tarentino, oh well.
By the way, the suggestion that these men and women would better use their time volunteering in less fortunate neighborhoods............
Most of them have spent YEARS OF BLOOD SWEET AND TEARS doing the best they could working in a majority of these neighborhoods, many being shot, cut, beaten, and or severely disabled both physically and at times mentally resulting in PTSD. Its now their time to enjoy whatever's left.



Thank you for your post....And your service.

gerryann
01-02-2016, 10:49 AM
Methinks Tarantino's title "The Hateful Eight" was a Freudian slip meant to include Quentin Tarantino, Samuel Jackson, Jamie Fox, Michal Moore, Bill Maher, Jane Fonda, Al Sharpton and Jeramiah Wright.

That's my story and I am sticking to it:D

I agree.

gerryann
01-02-2016, 11:12 AM
Retired cops in the Villages planning protest of Quentin Tarantino's new film after his comments calling police 'murderers' - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/lake/os-villages-hateful-eight-boycott-quentin-tarantino-20151229-story.html)


Well, I will still go as it takes a lot more than one man or woman to make a movie. This is like boycotting a concert because the conductor is an @#$%^. Or not going to a public library because the Library Director is a crook.

The Hateful Eight opens here in the Villages but just at the Rialto Theater as far as I know. What are they going to do ask people what movie they are going to see and then argue with them about not seeing it?

I have a deep respect for law enforcement even if I did cross swords with some of them as a Student Attorney at Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners back at the headquarters of the Hennepin Cgounty Sheriff's Office.


Obviously, based on your subsequent posts, the swords you crossed have been embedded somewhere in your psyche.......or you have experienced some questionable (in your mind) experiences since then. You doth protest too much! See your movie, enjoy your movie; but why come on here to defend your reason to "enjoy" a blood and guts movie directed by a cop hater?

Taltarzac725
01-02-2016, 12:12 PM
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Obviously, based on your subsequent posts, the swords you crossed have been embedded somewhere in your psyche.......or you have experienced some questionable (in your mind) experiences since then. You doth protest too much! See your movie, enjoy your movie; but why come on here to defend your reason to "enjoy" a blood and guts movie directed by a cop hater?

He is not a cop hater. Where do you kind that from what he has written or said? He attacked bad cops who abuse the law based partially on their racist views.

And "enjoy" is not the word I would use for experiencing Quentin Tarantino movies.

I have not the foggiest idea what you mean by swords crossing. I have NEVER had any problems with any police. I did play the student lawyer game with them in 1989 or 1988 while at the University of Minnesota Law School and Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners. I was trying to get some records from their office about an incident in which my client alleged he was beaten. Instead of giving me the log of the day that my client was allegedly beaten they wanted me to give the time, date, and other particulars. My client could not remember the exact time and date when he was allegedly beaten so he dropped it. Whether or not he was actually beaten, I have no idea.

Is this a new trick of attacking other TOTVers credibility? Look at many of their posts and then make hasty over-generalizations about them?

Why not address the issue of what this thread is about rather than making ad hominem attacks on me?

gerryann
01-02-2016, 12:30 PM
I rest my case.

Done with this nonsense.

Chi-Town
01-02-2016, 12:34 PM
Methinks Tarantino's title "The Hateful Eight" was a Freudian slip meant to include Quentin Tarantino, Samuel Jackson, Jamie Fox, Michal Moore, Bill Maher, Jane Fonda, Al Sharpton and Jeramiah Wright.

That's my story and I am sticking to it:D
I think you could fill in the Hateful Eighty. [emoji6]

Taltarzac725
01-02-2016, 12:34 PM
Quentin Tarantino Sued Over 'Django Unchained' (http://www.thewrap.com/quentin-tarantino-django-unchained-100-million-lawsuit-hateful-eight/)

Tarantino might have a problem with this lawsuit.

I have looked for news about the boycott of the Hateful Eight and cannot find much of anything except the Villages' protest and much older articles about what it seems are abandoned plans of a boycott.

tomwed
01-02-2016, 12:44 PM
Quentin Tarantino Sued Over 'Django Unchained' (http://www.thewrap.com/quentin-tarantino-django-unchained-100-million-lawsuit-hateful-eight/)

Tarantino might have a problem with this lawsuit.

I have looked for news about the boycott of the Hateful Eight and cannot find much of anything except the Villages' protest and much older articles about what it seems are abandoned plans of a boycott.

Take a look at the author's other stories.
Tim Kenneally, Author at TheWrap (http://www.thewrap.com/author/tim-kenneally/)

Taltarzac725
01-02-2016, 12:52 PM
Take a look at the author's other stories.
Tim Kenneally, Author at TheWrap (http://www.thewrap.com/author/tim-kenneally/)

Thanks, tomwed.

tomwed
01-02-2016, 01:38 PM
I just read Wikipedia's entry on Tarantino. I knew he was a HS drop-out and wasn't always well off. It's an interesting life. He always seems to go against the grain.

Taltarzac725
01-02-2016, 02:25 PM
I just read Wikipedia's entry on Tarantino. I knew he was a HS drop-out and wasn't always well off. It's an interesting life. He always seems to go against the grain.

He is not one of my favorite actors/directors/producers, etc. but I do respect the body of his work.

bobnyce
01-04-2016, 09:57 AM
I would not spend my money to see any Tarantino movie expressly because of his convoluted view of society. On one hand he makes millions highlighting and creating violent movies and on the other hand he decries what the police must do to stop crime in America. Tarantino and his ilk are idiots who live in a fantasy world of their own creating! Not on my dime!!!!!

MDLNB
01-04-2016, 10:07 AM
I would not spend my money to see any Tarantino movie expressly because of his convoluted view of society. On one hand he makes millions highlighting and creating violent movies and on the other hand he decries what the police must do to stop crime in America. Tarantino and his ilk are idiots who live in a fantasy world of their own creating! Not on my dime!!!!!

:agree:....totally!!

Taltarzac725
01-04-2016, 10:08 AM
I would not spend my money to see any Tarantino movie expressly because of his convoluted view of society. On one hand he makes millions highlighting and creating violent movies and on the other hand he decries what the police must do to stop crime in America. Tarantino and his ilk are idiots who live in a fantasy world of their own creating! Not on my dime!!!!!

People should look at what he actually said than what people are claiming he said. They are often far from the same thing.

gerryann
01-04-2016, 10:38 AM
People should look at what he actually said than what people are claiming he said. They are often far from the same thing.

Guess it doesn't really matter if we take his spoken nonsense and dissect it to figure out EXACTLY what he is saying. The guy is a jerk. He's in his own little world with Michael Moore and other Hollywood loudmouths. We all get it Taltarzac.....you like the guys blood and guts movies. That's fine....enjoy them. In the meantime don't try to persuade other that he's a decent person. ALL lives matter.

tomwed
01-04-2016, 11:33 AM
If you don't like someone's posts, block them. It's like not listening. Don't tell them not to speak. I want to hear what everyone has to say. If I just listen to people who think exactly as I do, I won't learn anything new.

gerryann
01-04-2016, 11:41 AM
If you don't like someone's posts, block them. It's like not listening. Don't tell them not to speak. I want to hear what everyone has to say. If I just listen to people think exactly like I won't learn anything.

I agree.

Unfortunately, some folks just like the controversy. No matter the subject. Some just take the opposite view to create a controversy. In re reading certain folks post history, you see a pattern. Everything is controversial. EVERYTHING.

tomwed
01-04-2016, 12:21 PM
These is no place for name calling. It is what you do when you don't have facts and/or can't construct a compelling argument. It is not meaningful discussion. This was parodied over 25 years ago on the SNL skit "Point/Counterpoint" with Jane Curtin and Dan Akyroid. Jane would start off the debate with facts and then Dan would respond with "Jane, you ignorant slut".
Jane gave as good as she got. I forgot how funny they were.
Watch Saturday Night Live: Point Counterpoint: Lee Marvin and Michelle Triola Online | Hulu (http://www.hulu.com/watch/2306)

I could only find one of those skits.

Calling a public figure a name doesn't bother me. That's the price of fame. Loosing your anonymity is another price if you are really big. This is a fun watch and those subjects are discussed.
President Barack Obama - Just Tell Him You’re the President - Episode - Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee by Jerry Seinfeld (http://comediansincarsgettingcoffee.com/president-barack-obama-just-tell-him-you-re-the-president)

Taltarzac725
01-04-2016, 12:43 PM
Jane gave as good as she got. I forgot how funny they were.
Watch Saturday Night Live: Point Counterpoint: Lee Marvin and Michelle Triola Online | Hulu (http://www.hulu.com/watch/2306)

I could only find one of those skits.

Calling a public figure a name doesn't bother me. That's the price of fame. Loosing your anonymity is another price if you are really big. This is a fun watch and those subjects are discussed.
President Barack Obama - Just Tell Him You’re the President - Episode - Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee by Jerry Seinfeld (http://comediansincarsgettingcoffee.com/president-barack-obama-just-tell-him-you-re-the-president)

Thanks for the input. And it is really bad logic as well to attack the person rather than his ideas. And some of my favorite movies are Babe, Amelie Am (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/amelie/), the Wizard of Oz and Singin' in the Rain.

I love movies and some of them are bloody. I wonder what kind of movies most copies like to see? I doubt if it is bloodless kids movies and musicals. Even if there are bloody kid's movies as well as bloody musicals.

tomwed
01-04-2016, 01:34 PM
Thanks for the input. And it is really bad logic as well to attack the person rather than his ideas.
I don't know. When someone says "I am not a crook" and you think they are than I think it's OK to say so. Unless you believe they are not a crook they just had bad ideas about stealing.

Taltarzac725
01-04-2016, 01:56 PM
I don't know. When someone says "I am not a crook" and you think they are than I think it's OK to say so. Unless you believe they are not a crook they just had bad ideas about stealing.

That goes to someone's actions rather than their ideas. We will find out later if Quentin Tarantino, for instance, stole the idea of Django Unchained from someone else. I kind of doubt it but I do have an open mind. I have no idea what kind of person Tarantino really is and unless you know him personally most people do not know what a certain celebrity is like beyond the marketing campaigns that are around them as well as the politics.

karostay
01-04-2016, 02:05 PM
It's a movie !

tomwed
01-04-2016, 02:09 PM
That goes to someone's actions rather than their ideas. We will find out later if Quentin Tarantino, for instance, stole the idea of Django Unchained from someone else. I kind of doubt it but I do have an open mind. I have no idea what kind of person Tarantino really is and unless you know him personally most people do not know what a certain celebrity is like beyond the marketing campaigns that are around them as well as the politics.
I forgot Tarrentino was being sued for theft. I'm always surprised when someone that is as wealthy as Tarrentino steels. I know, I'm being naive.

Taltarzac725
01-04-2016, 02:12 PM
It's a movie !

Right. Does not make much of a difference if we see it or not in the Villages as to Quentin Tarantino's bank account and/or reputation. It is doing quite well elsewhere considering competition from Star Wars: The Force Awakens and the length of this movie. ‘The Hateful Eight’ Box Office: Comparing to Other Tarantino Films | Variety (http://variety.com/2016/film/news/hateful-eight-box-office-quentin-tarantino-1201670819/)

Taltarzac725
01-04-2016, 02:30 PM
I forgot Tarrentino was being sued for theft. I'm always surprised when someone that is as wealthy as Tarrentino steels. I know, I'm being naive.

I doubt seriously if they have any kind of case. I only have a course in Copyright Law at the University of Minnesota Law School but doubt if the black letter law in that area has changed all that much. And I probably took this around 1988 or 1989. I did graduate in the Summer of 1989 but wanted to be a Law Librarian and not a Lawyer. We as Law Librarians are not allowed to give legal advice just point people in the right direction so that they can find things on their own.

We also were taught a little bit about Copyright while I was getting a MA in Librarianship and Information Management at the University of Denver in 1983-1984.

Stanford Copyright and Fair Use Center (http://fairuse.stanford.edu/)


https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/copyright

The Non-infringability of Plot and/or Ideas | Justine Larbalestier (http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/01/28/the-non-infringability-of-plot-andor-ideas/)

As a aside my 224 613 Project-- which I have been working on in some way since January 1991-- involves communicating with a lot of libraries and police departments so I do respect the work that various law enforcement agencies do. This is work trying to give victims/survivors of crimes a better chance in getting through the legal system with their heads held high. I have mentioned the genesis of this project quite often on TOTV to the point of boring some people with it.

Larryandlinda
01-04-2016, 05:09 PM
too bad there's so much controversy
we were pumped up by the fact it was specially shot in 70mm for a real nostalgic look and feel. 100 theaters, (6 in florida outside our bubble) around the US were specially retrofitted with special film projectors, not to mention the films themselves weigh several hundred lb, some 1/4 ton, for one movie.
hopefully for those who opt out, there will some other 70's that come along while the theaters still have the arc lamps burning!

tomwed
01-04-2016, 06:08 PM
too bad there's so much controversy
we were pumped up by the fact it was specially shot in 70mm for a real nostalgic look and feel. 100 theaters, (6 in florida outside our bubble) around the US were specially retrofitted with special film projectors, not to mention the films themselves weigh several hundred lb, some 1/4 ton, for one movie.
hopefully for those who opt out, there will some other 70's that come along while the theaters still have the arc lamps burning!
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) - Panavision System 65mm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_70_mm_films

rdhdleo
01-04-2016, 08:36 PM
He is not a cop hater. Where do you kind that from what he has written or said? He attacked bad cops who abuse the law based partially on their racist views.

And "enjoy" is not the word I would use for experiencing Quentin Tarantino movies.

I have not the foggiest idea what you mean by swords crossing. I have NEVER had any problems with any police. I did play the student lawyer game with them in 1989 or 1988 while at the University of Minnesota Law School and Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners. I was trying to get some records from their office about an incident in which my client alleged he was beaten. Instead of giving me the log of the day that my client was allegedly beaten they wanted me to give the time, date, and other particulars. My client could not remember the exact time and date when he was allegedly beaten so he dropped it. Whether or not he was actually beaten, I have no idea.

Is this a new trick of attacking other TOTVers credibility? Look at many of their posts and then make hasty over-generalizations about them?

Why not address the issue of what this thread is about rather than making ad hominem attacks on me?

:BigApplause: Well said, I agree with you totally. Not that what I ever say on here matters much, which is why I have pretty much chosen to stay away. You are articulate and base your statements on fact. Thank you. I respect your input.

Taltarzac725
01-05-2016, 08:51 AM
:BigApplause: Well said, I agree with you totally. Not that what I ever say on here matters much, which is why I have pretty much chosen to stay away. You are articulate and base your statements on fact. Thank you. I respect your input.

Thanks. I do try to dig to get into what actually happened. I have a BA in History so that training comes in useful at times. Also a second one in Philosophy, my first degree. (University of Nevada, Reno). So, we did study quite a lot of logic and rhetoric. Got more of this logic from my Law School Training at the U of MN Law School even if they did also throw in a lot of BS as well.

I know some retired cops from my neighborhood as well as Doggie Doo Run Run. They seem like reasonable people. I hope they looked into what actually happened rather than what some politician said happened for their political gain.