Beginning golfers and unrealistic golfers.

[graciegirl]

It has been my experience in playing with a lot of new golfers here in the last eight years that in my whole life I have not seen such rapid improvement from beginner to "can play anywhere" generally speaking. Not only that, but new golfers often quickly emerge as really GOOD golfers, being born with wonderful eye hand coordination and athletic ability, apparently, and leaving this seasoned not too coordinated golfer in the dust.


I don't know if it is they have the time to devote to the game or find it quickly to be as addicting as I do, but new golfers don't stay new golfers here very long.


BUT....I am amazed and astonished at the choice of tees by veteran golfers. Way TOO often folks will choose the black tees when they should be using the gold or green on the executive courses.


Just my musings this morning.

[justjim]

Many golfers in TV choose the wrong set of tees on the Championship Courses too. So called "veteran golfers" have ego phobia---they believe that they can still drive the ball 250 yards! The USGA has made a major attempt to move golfers up to their proper tee box. It's more fun and helps to speed up play.

The same goes for the executive courses---more fun and especially helps speed up play if golfers would play from tees according to their skill level. Fore!

[outlaw]

Many golfers in TV choose the wrong set of tees on the Championship Courses too. So called "veteran golfers" have ego phobia---they believe that they can still drive the ball 250 yards! The USGA has made a major attempt to move golfers up to their proper tee box. It's more fun and helps to speed up play.

The same goes for the executive courses---more fun and especially helps speed up play if golfers would play from tees according to their skill level. Fore!

I think that TV guidance for which tees one should play is based on HC. Some one with a great short game could still be playing from the wrong tees. If you can't reach virtually all the par 4s in two shots, you are playing the wrong tees, imo. If you're using a wood/hybrid on every par 3, you're playing from the wrong tees. Seems like TV should recommend the tees based on typical driving distance, or seven iron distance. Something that relates directly to distance.

[tomwed]

It depends on what your goals are?

[I'm assuming you can keep up with the group in front of you.]

If you just want to have a good time play from the closer tees. For me that would be gold.
If you want to improve your game play from the longer tees, don't improve the lie and putt out.

I haven't improved very much in 50 years and I can't explain why I keep trying. But I think that's part of the addiction. I don't get angry or care how anyone else in my group is playing [assuming they are keeping up].

[dewilson58]

Tee It Forward.


Pay It Forward.


2 good programs.

[fred53]

I think that TV guidance for which tees one should play is based on HC. Some one with a great short game could still be playing from the wrong tees. If you can't reach virtually all the par 4s in two shots, you are playing the wrong tees, imo. If you're using a wood/hybrid on every par 3, you're playing from the wrong tees. Seems like TV should recommend the tees based on typical driving distance, or seven iron distance. Something that relates directly to distance.

and the only guidance given is to play from tees you feel you can hit the green. As long as you keep up with the group ahead of you play whatever tees you want. If you find the group ahead has moved ahead by a hole or more then you either need to pick up the pace, play from a shorter distance or pick up ball and move straight to the next tee.

[justjim]

I think that TV guidance for which tees one should play is based on HC. Some one with a great short game could still be playing from the wrong tees. If you can't reach virtually all the par 4s in two shots, you are playing the wrong tees, imo. If you're using a wood/hybrid on every par 3, you're playing from the wrong tees. Seems like TV should recommend the tees based on typical driving distance, or seven iron distance. Something that relates directly to distance.

Outlaw, you are correct, if you can't reach a par 4 in two you are playing from the wrong set of tees. Move forward.

[rubicon]

I think that TV guidance for which tees one should play is based on HC. Some one with a great short game could still be playing from the wrong tees. If you can't reach virtually all the par 4s in two shots, you are playing the wrong tees, imo. If you're using a wood/hybrid on every par 3, you're playing from the wrong tees. Seems like TV should recommend the tees based on typical driving distance, or seven iron distance. Something that relates directly to distance.

outlaw: you and I are in general agreement. It doesn't matter what tees used for many of the guys I play with on executive courses because our scores never vary much. And it doesn't matter on championship be it white or green on championship because the critical shot (I call it the money shot) to the green that and putting and 2 putts control the scoring

Moving up on the tee is the golf associations way for speeding up golf a common complaint and one of the causes in the drop of player participation.

In my view there are many more reasons than that which create so play and anyone playing executive courses here can cite a long list of them, except those violating ready golf etiquette

[dewilson58]

Outlaw, you are correct, if you can't reach a par 4 in two you are playing from the wrong set of tees. Move forward.

Sometimes there are no more tees to move forward to.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I think that TV guidance for which tees one should play is based on HC. Some one with a great short game could still be playing from the wrong tees. If you can't reach virtually all the par 4s in two shots, you are playing the wrong tees, imo. If you're using a wood/hybrid on every par 3, you're playing from the wrong tees. Seems like TV should recommend the tees based on typical driving distance, or seven iron distance. Something that relates directly to distance.

I agree with your recommendations; however, do you really think golfers are going to follow TV guidance on what tees to use? :D HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[SALYBOW]

Welcome back Gracie. Missed you.

[Barefoot]

Sometimes there are no more tees to move forward to.
That's exactly what I was thinking. :popcorn:

[rubicon]

It depends on what your goals are?

[I'm assuming you can keep up with the group in front of you.]

If you just want to have a good time play from the closer tees. For me that would be gold.
If you want to improve your game play from the longer tees, don't improve the lie and putt out.

I haven't improved very much in 50 years and I can't explain why I keep trying. But I think that's part of the addiction. I don't get angry or care how anyone else in my group is playing [assuming they are keeping up].

tomwed: you have touched on a part of the problem. We have some folks who take this game very seriously, play it well and with the bravado that comes with it, and some who view it as fun...passing the time.

I am indeed a stickler for ready play, rules of the game and good golf etiquette but the strict regimentation attempted to be imposed by USGA, PGA ,local clubs,and some golfers upon others is taking the joy out of the game.

First of all what % of golfers in The Villages actually and consistently hit the green on one (executive) or two strokes (championship par 4)? I have played with a few who can but not most and even those guys often end up with three putts. etc etc etc (hitting a long ball v. hitting a well targeted ball)

As to executive course some may require "play it forward" and some not. Pelican is a prime example where if a golfer can't hit a long ball then it would be wise to move forward.

I do not believe people should be concerned about what tees other golfers choose. In that same vein I believe golfers have an obligation to utilize "in the pocket" when appropriate because the last thing I want to hear from a golfer is "I ain't giving up" as they hit their upteenth shot.

Its the "absolutes" many of us have trouble dealing with and so I say with a "friendly intent" you play your game and I will play mine

[outlaw]

and the only guidance given is to play from tees you feel you can hit the green. As long as you keep up with the group ahead of you play whatever tees you want. If you find the group ahead has moved ahead by a hole or more then you either need to pick up the pace, play from a shorter distance or pick up ball and move straight to the next tee.

Look at the Glenview score cards on the golfvillages website. They show HCs for each tee. Seems like guidance to me.

[Laker14]

there is nothing like spending 5 hours watching the group in front of you hitting from the appropriate tees, on their second shots.

[DonH57]

tomwed: you have touched on a part of the problem. We have some folks who take this game very seriously, play it well and with the bravado that comes with it, and some who view it as fun...passing the time.

I am indeed a stickler for ready play, rules of the game and good golf etiquette but the strict regimentation attempted to be imposed by USGA, PGA ,local clubs,and some golfers upon others is taking the joy out of the game.

First of all what % of golfers in The Villages actually and consistently hit the green on one (executive) or two strokes (championship par 4)? I have played with a few who can but not most and even those guys often end up with three putts. etc etc etc (hitting a long ball v. hitting a well targeted ball)

As to executive course some may require "play it forward" and some not. Pelican is a prime example where if a golfer can't hit a long ball then it would be wise to move forward.

I do not believe people should be concerned about what tees other golfers choose. In that same vein I believe golfers have an obligation to utilize "in the pocket" when appropriate because the last thing I want to hear from a golfer is "I ain't giving up" as they hit their upteenth shot.

Its the "absolutes" many of us have trouble dealing with and so I say with a "friendly intent" you play your game and I will play mine

Very well said I think. The fastest foursome I've seen is one running up to tee box, hit, run to cart, cart to ball, run to ball, hit, run to green, put and run to next tee box. A good way to snap an ankle, but hey. Must be a new game.:laugh:

[golfing eagles]

First of all what % of golfers in The Villages actually and consistently hit the green on one (executive) or two strokes (championship par 4)? I have played with a few who can but not most and even those guys often end up with three putts. etc etc etc (hitting a long ball v. hitting a well targeted ball)


I agree with most of this, except CONSISTENTLY needs clarification. The PGA tour average greens in regulation (92nd out of 184) is 66.3% or 12 greens/round. I think a better yardstick is whether a golfer can hit it far enough from a given set of tees to reach the par 4's, not that they actually hit them. Using Evans Prairie as an example, you should be able to hit 2 shots 460 to play blacks, 435 for gold, 410 for blue and 365 for white. These are really the minimum distances unless you want to be hitting 3 wood to every green

[tomwed]

How long is an exec round? 75 minutes? 8 minutes a hole?
Play wherever you want. As long as you're done in 8 minutes.
You want to have a lot of fun? Play from the drop zones.
You want to get better? Keep changeling yourself. Same as any other endevor, inclueding spelling.
How many times have you teed off late?

[golfing eagles]

Same as any other endevor, inclueding spelling.


very funny:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: