armed protestors

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Armed anti-government protesters have taken over a building in a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon, where is the outcry from the conservatives on this? They are domestic terrorists.

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Armed anti-government protesters have taken over a building in a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon, where is the outcry from the conservatives on this? They are domestic terrorists.

I must have missed it, what wildlife has been terrorized?:1rotfl:

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They are domestic terrorists but the Repub.'s here can't bring themselves to call them that. Probably because they vote Republican.

On another note....They seized a BIRD Sanctuary!!!! LOL.

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Maybe the current administration has not decided if it work place violence or not ?

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I must have missed it, what wildlife has been terrorized?:1rotfl:

Domestic wildlife

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Did they blow up a building or run amok with mass murder? Are they wearing ski masks and waving a black flag? Hmmm, I believe it is the American flag. But, then again any flag is considered a terrorist flag, unless it is a Black flag, African flag or rainbow colored...to the liberal.

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Did they blow up a building or run amok with mass murder? Are they wearing ski masks and waving a black flag? Hmmm, I believe it is the American flag. But, then again any flag is considered a terrorist flag, unless it is a Black flag, African flag or rainbow colored...to the liberal.

They are calling for an armed rebellion!!!

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They are calling for an armed rebellion!!!

That's the American way.

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They are calling for an armed rebellion!!!

I'll become concerned when they start looting and burning businesses like the Black Lives Matter bunch. Right now, not so much.

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I'll become concerned when they start looting and burning businesses like the Black Lives Matter bunch. Right now, not so much.

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Said more accurately, it is a bunch oF white Americans protesting one of their own being mis-treated by federal law enforcement.
Some of which happen to be armed.

An example of the silent majority that is exercising multiple amendments and endangering NOBODY!

Spin it all you want! It is nothing more.

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What we are witnessing is the result of the Bureau of Land Managements abuse of Eminent Domain and the adverse economic affect it has had on these ranchers. I am opposed to the fact that these protesters are in possessions of weapons, it is a bad move on their part.

I do understand their desperation and frustration leading up to the seizure of this federal building.

The liberal news media will describe these white protesters in unflattering terms, as criminals, etc However if they were indian, muslim or black it would be for a righteous cause and the news media would demand their terms be met

But we have learned that we have at the helm a racist president and one who has a disdain for religion and guns and so with the support of the liberal media he will make clear that we don't capitulate with terrorists, except when we want to free brave and noble soldiers like Bergdahl or countries , Iran, Cuba.......

Personal Best Regards:

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And the protesters have made racist remarks about "the negro" and threatening violence. Now the Republicans are scrambling to distance themselves from the protesters, calling them lawless (which they clearly are). You may not agree with the law, but it is the law, and that is the job of government official to enforce the law. As Rubio said - There are ways to change the laws of this country and the policies. If we get frustrated with it, that's why we have elections. That's why we have people we can hold accountable.

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I must have missed it, what wildlife has been terrorized?:1rotfl:

Well you be making fun of this when a law enforcement officer is killed?

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And the protesters have made racist remarks about "the negro" and threatening violence. Now the Republicans are scrambling to distance themselves from the protesters, calling them lawless (which they clearly are). You may not agree with the law, but it is the law, and that is the job of government official to enforce the law. As Rubio said - There are ways to change the laws of this country and the policies. If we get frustrated with it, that's why we have elections. That's why we have people we can hold accountable.

Oooh, someone said "negro." Must be a racist. And threatening violence? Oh..My...Goodness..!! Where are the Black Lives Matter protesters when you need them to save the day? Bet they got someone's attention, and they haven't even burnt a flag or destroyed any businesses. Imagine that.

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That's the American way.

It may be the American way but the rise of these groups spike during years the Democrats are in power.

Wonder why that is....

Anti-Government Extremist Groups Are A Uniquely American Problem (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anti-government-patriot-groups_5689620ee4b06fa68882a0dd)

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Said more accurately, it is a bunch oF white Americans protesting one of their own being mis-treated by federal law enforcement.
Some of which happen to be armed.

An example of the silent majority that is exercising multiple amendments and endangering NOBODY!

Spin it all you want! It is nothing more.

endangering NOBODY! Some of these thugs have said on camera they will not leave and are ready to die. endangering NOBODY! Why is it you radical conservatives are for always ranting about obeying the law, until it does not agree with your views.

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What we are witnessing is the result of the Bureau of Land Managements abuse of Eminent Domain and the adverse economic affect it has had on these ranchers. I am opposed to the fact that these protesters are in possessions of weapons, it is a bad move on their part.

I do understand their desperation and frustration leading up to the seizure of this federal building.

The liberal news media will describe these white protesters in unflattering terms, as criminals, etc However if they were indian, muslim or black it would be for a righteous cause and the news media would demand their terms be met

But we have learned that we have at the helm a racist president and one who has a disdain for religion and guns and so with the support of the liberal media he will make clear that we don't capitulate with terrorists, except when we want to free brave and noble soldiers like Bergdahl or countries , Iran, Cuba.......

Personal Best Regards:

You would be one of the people not allowed to possess a gun because of your mental condition.

Personal Best Regards

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Oregon standoff: Armed protesters 'in it for long haul' - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-armed-protest/)

The media is covering this.

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endangering NOBODY! Some of these thugs have said on camera they will not leave and are ready to die. endangering NOBODY! Why is it you radical conservatives are for always ranting about obeying the law, until it does not agree with your views.

BS!.....per usual!

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Well you be making fun of this when a law enforcement officer is killed?

When?

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If they were black, the liberals would be out there carrying their signs....but not the America flag though. Of course, yelling "kill the COPs, pig in a blanket" would be perfectly accepted.

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As usual, another case when the conservatives cannot accept responsibility. They couldn't face the truth if it hit them in the face. How pathetic.

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You know what they say:

plural of armed black people is thugs
plural of armed brown people is terrorists
plural of armed white people is militia

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If they were black, the liberals would be out there carrying their signs....but not the America flag though. Of course, yelling "kill the COPs, pig in a blanket" would be perfectly accepted.

After 9/11 I went to Europe, every piece of clothing I had on included an American flag. My French friends asked me why, I said "I will not be afraid of anything or anyone so I now proudly fly my flag" You right wing nuts stayed home a flew the flag where it was safe.

So that blows your sick theory about liberals.

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After 9/11 I went to Europe, every piece of clothing I had on included an American flag. My French friends asked me why, I said "I will not be afraid of anything or anyone so I now proudly fly my flag" You right wing nuts stayed home a flew the flag where it was safe.

So that blows your sick theory about liberals.

You do know that it is inappropriate and disrespectful to wear the American flag as an article of clothing, don't you?. Then again, probably not.

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You do know how to read don't you? It doesn't say his clothing was a flag. He included a flag on the clothing. Maybe he had a flag pin.

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After 9/11 I went to Europe, every piece of clothing I had on included an American flag. My French friends asked me why, I said "I will not be afraid of anything or anyone so I now proudly fly my flag" You right wing nuts stayed home a flew the flag where it was safe.

So that blows your sick theory about liberals.

That's real cute, you wore a flag. I served the flag and got shot at in Iraq since then. Does that count? Oh, and I also served two tours in Vietnam, so I think that I am covered. How many pacifist liberals served?

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You do know that it is inappropriate and disrespectful to wear the American flag as an article of clothing, don't you?. Then again, probably not.
Tell that to the Tea Party poster boy Ted Nugent.

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Tell that to the Tea Party poster boy Ted Nugent.

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Who, other than you, has proclaimed Ted Nugent to be the poster boy for the Tea Party?

[Guest]

Who, other than you, has proclaimed Ted Nugent to be the poster boy for the Tea Party?
OK, let's try this. The Motor City Madman is the poster boy for the NRA.

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OK, let's try this. The Motor City Madman is the poster boy for the NRA.

I did a Google search for "Official NRA Poster Boy", and there were no results for "The Motor City Madman". Nice try.

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OK, let's try this. The Motor City Madman is the poster boy for the NRA.

I think it is nice that folks still believe in the American flag, regardless of how it is displayed. It would be even nicer if those same folks were patriotic enough to serve their country in some positive manner. Heck, even Obama had to be coerced into wearing a flag lapel pin. Liberals would rather wave an ISIS flag or rainbow flag, and try to hide the fact that once upon a time, the Confederate flag was their flag of choice.

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You do know that it is inappropriate and disrespectful to wear the American flag as an article of clothing, don't you?. Then again, probably not.

It was a part of the logo for the T-shirt and shoe company.

Nice try though!

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I think it is nice that folks still believe in the American flag, regardless of how it is displayed. It would be even nicer if those same folks were patriotic enough to serve their country in some positive manner. Heck, even Obama had to be coerced into wearing a flag lapel pin. Liberals would rather wave an ISIS flag or rainbow flag, and try to hide the fact that once upon a time, the Confederate flag was their flag of choice.

What's wrong with the Rainbow Flag? Never hurt anyone.

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What's wrong with the Rainbow Flag? Never hurt anyone.

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It was a part of the logo for the T-shirt and shoe company.

Nice try though!

And, for some reason you felt compelled to brag about it.:1rotfl:

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And, for some reason you felt compelled to brag about it.:1rotfl:

You all make blanket statements about us to the left of you. We are no less patriotic than you. I was in Orlando on 9/11 working at Orlando Regional Medical Center. My great niece worked at the World Trade Center...thank god she was late to work that day. We did NOT know for hours that she was alive.

You know nothing about me but you mock me at will....

I wore the flag proudly in Europe when many were afraid travel there.....

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You all make blanket statements about us to the left of you. We are no less patriotic than you. I was in Orlando on 9/11 working at Orlando Regional Medical Center. My great niece worked at the World Trade Center...thank god she was late to work that day. We did NOT know for hours that she was alive.

You know nothing about me but you mock me at will....

I wore the flag proudly in Europe when many were afraid travel there.....

Wow, I also know someone that knows someone that was related to someone that almost was in the trade center. But, that doesn't make me a leftie, or does it? And if I have an American label on my underwear, that makes me patriotic too! And you compare that with serving your country? Thanks a lot. That really makes some of us feel good about those protected at home when the only difficult issue they might have is how to find the restroom in a foreign country.

Seriously, I am thankful that someone that you might know, was not harmed on 9/11. I was not the one that "mocked" you, but I can understand why it was done. When someone states that they wore American flags overseas to show their patriotism and then it turns out that it was just them wearing a label with the flag on it, it deserves derision.

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You people are fools if you think that wearing an American flag pin on your clothing or flag labels on your underwear, or waving flags on your golf cart somehow makes you more patriotic. Patriotism is not about the symbols it's about the actions, specifically devotion to one's homeland.

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You people are fools if you think that wearing an American flag pin on your clothing or flag labels on your underwear, or waving flags on your golf cart somehow makes you more patriotic. Patriotism is not about the symbols it's about the actions, specifically devotion to one's homeland.

Thank you! :thumbup:..:thumbup:....:thumbup:

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Seriously, I am thankful that someone that you might know, was not harmed on 9/11. I was not the one that "mocked" you, but I can understand why it was done. When someone states that they wore American flags overseas to show their patriotism and then it turns out that it was just them wearing a label with the flag on it, it deserves derision.

I never said I wore the flag to be patriotic....I wore it to show no fear.

Or are you forgetting.

My great niece and her 2 children are alive and well living in Northern Jersey.

I guess you just can't believe that someone to the left of you can be patriotic.

GET OVER IT!!!!

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I never said I wore the flag to be patriotic....I wore it to show no fear.

Or are you forgetting.

My great niece and her 2 children are alive and well living in Northern Jersey.

I guess you just can't believe that someone to the left of you can be patriotic.

GET OVER IT!!!!

So far, you haven't mentioned any evidence your supposed patriotism, but I never said you weren't patriotic. You are the one that insisted that you are patriotic. You keep telling us about relatives or friends of friends that survived 9/11, like that is really something to be proud of. You mentioned wearing flags in a foreign country and when questioned about it, admitted that those little flags were on clothing labels. And then to defend your statement, you said you were real brave because you wore those little labels fearlessly. And that makes you patriotic? Hmmm, perhaps you still don't get it. Why don't you just tell us that you are patriotic because you served your country, or sacrificed something or someone for your country? You haven't proved your statement, about being left and patriotic. You are the one that said you were left and patriotic, not me. Making a general comment that liberals are generally pacifists and cowards is what I say. There are exceptions, and I am willing to concede that, but you have not proven to be an exception.

Why is it that liberals claim to be progressive, and yet believe in the old failed Socialism? Why is it that they want to be proud to be progressives but want to deny being socialists. They don't believe in war, but try to prove that they are patriotic by waving flags. They don't believe in the pledge of Allegiance to the flag, don't believe in public prayer (and sometimes don't even believe in God or the Bible), they don't believe in executing murderers, but will make believe that abortion does not kill a human. I could go on and on, but that would not be fair to you. And most of it has nothing to do with liberals being patriotic.

Patriotism also means that you care about national security. Hillary totally disregards national security and liberals accept that. How can they consider themselves patriotic? Patriotism means caring more for the country than to the individual.

You saying you are patriotic because you wear a label with a flag on it, is like that white woman in the NAACP saying she is black because she wears dreads.

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So far, you haven't mentioned any evidence your supposed patriotism, but I never said you weren't patriotic. You are the one that insisted that you are patriotic. You keep telling us about relatives or friends of friends that survived 9/11, like that is really something to be proud of. You mentioned wearing flags in a foreign country and when questioned about it, admitted that those little flags were on clothing labels. And then to defend your statement, you said you were real brave because you wore those little labels fearlessly. And that makes you patriotic? Hmmm, perhaps you still don't get it. Why don't you just tell us that you are patriotic because you served your country, or sacrificed something or someone for your country? You haven't proved your statement, about being left and patriotic. You are the one that said you were left and patriotic, not me. Making a general comment that liberals are generally pacifists and cowards is what I say. There are exceptions, and I am willing to concede that, but you have not proven to be an exception.

Why is it that liberals claim to be progressive, and yet believe in the old failed Socialism? Why is it that they want to be proud to be progressives but want to deny being socialists. They don't believe in war, but try to prove that they are patriotic by waving flags. They don't believe in the pledge of Allegiance to the flag, don't believe in public prayer (and sometimes don't even believe in God or the Bible), they don't believe in executing murderers, but will make believe that abortion does not kill a human. I could go on and on, but that would not be fair to you. And most of it has nothing to do with liberals being patriotic.

Patriotism also means that you care about national security. Hillary totally disregards national security and liberals accept that. How can they consider themselves patriotic? Patriotism means caring more for the country than to the individual.

You saying you are patriotic because you wear a label with a flag on it, is like that white woman in the NAACP saying she is black because she wears dreads.

I never said I wore the flag to be patriotic, I wore to show I wasn't afraid.

I am so far to the right of being progressive but I am to the left of you!

I believe in freedom of religion but you don't because you want to impose your religion on the rest of us. I have NEVER had an abortion but I don't judge the people who choose that route. But you do judge them. I support the death penalty but I think it is cheaper and more punishment to lock them up and throw a way the key. You rail against socialism but most likely you take Social Security and Medicare which are Socialist programs.

I could go on but it would be like shouting into a Hurricane!

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So far, you haven't mentioned any evidence your supposed patriotism, but I never said you weren't patriotic. You are the one that insisted that you are patriotic. You keep telling us about relatives or friends of friends that survived 9/11, like that is really something to be proud of. You mentioned wearing flags in a foreign country and when questioned about it, admitted that those little flags were on clothing labels. And then to defend your statement, you said you were real brave because you wore those little labels fearlessly. And that makes you patriotic? Hmmm, perhaps you still don't get it. Why don't you just tell us that you are patriotic because you served your country, or sacrificed something or someone for your country? You haven't proved your statement, about being left and patriotic. You are the one that said you were left and patriotic, not me. Making a general comment that liberals are generally pacifists and cowards is what I say. There are exceptions, and I am willing to concede that, but you have not proven to be an exception.

Why is it that liberals claim to be progressive, and yet believe in the old failed Socialism? Why is it that they want to be proud to be progressives but want to deny being socialists. They don't believe in war, but try to prove that they are patriotic by waving flags. They don't believe in the pledge of Allegiance to the flag, don't believe in public prayer (and sometimes don't even believe in God or the Bible), they don't believe in executing murderers, but will make believe that abortion does not kill a human. I could go on and on, but that would not be fair to you. And most of it has nothing to do with liberals being patriotic.

Patriotism also means that you care about national security. Hillary totally disregards national security and liberals accept that. How can they consider themselves patriotic? Patriotism means caring more for the country than to the individual.

You saying you are patriotic because you wear a label with a flag on it, is like that white woman in the NAACP saying she is black because she wears dreads.

"Making a general comment that liberals are generally pacifists and cowards is what I say"

That statement is total nonsense. The wars from Vietnam on less than 2% of the nations population served in the Armed Services. Due to the draft, the majority of the people that fought the Vietnam war were blacks, and whites that didn't go to college. How many blacks are conservative Republicans?

Less than 18% now in the Senate, and House served in the Armed Services. How many members on Senate, and House wear the American flag on their chests? It is almost a dress requirement. How many of our representatives would send their children into battle? It is perfectly fine to send someone else child into harms way. The term for this is chicken hawks.

Where did you get the idea that Hillary is totally disregards national security? She is not a Rand Paul. She is described as a hawk. I don't like Hillary, but sticking this nonsense on her is beyond stupid.

When the hell are you thick headed Republicans going to get it through your skull that the American public is tired of war? Giving Americans what they wanted means Obama hates this country only in the world of far right wing nuts does this take hold. "W" signed an agreement to leave Iraq. Obama lived up to that agreement. If he didn't, the US signature on any agreement is worthless.

Obama, and Hillary have their faults, but hating the US isn't one of them. You want to talking about hating Americans let's talk about cutting social programs that help the poor, or getting rid of Obamacare, that cancels health insurance for millions of Americans. If all you want to gut social programs, then take your American flag and shove it up your ass.

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"Making a general comment that liberals are generally pacifists and cowards is what I say"

That statement is total nonsense. The wars from Vietnam on less than 2% of the nations population served in the Armed Services. Due to the draft, the majority of the people that fought the Vietnam war were blacks, and whites that didn't go to college. How many blacks are conservative Republicans?

Less than 18% now in the Senate, and House served in the Armed Services. How many members on Senate, and House wear the American flag on their chests? It is almost a dress requirement. How many of our representatives would send their children into battle? It is perfectly fine to send someone else child into harms way. The term for this is chicken hawks.

Where did you get the idea that Hillary is totally disregards national security? She is not a Rand Paul. She is described as a hawk. I don't like Hillary, but sticking this nonsense on her is beyond stupid.

When the hell are you thick headed Republicans going to get it through your skull that the American public is tired of war? Giving Americans what they wanted means Obama hates this country only in the world of far right wing nuts does this take hold. "W" signed an agreement to leave Iraq. Obama lived up to that agreement. If he didn't, the US signature on any agreement is worthless.

Obama, and Hillary have their faults, but hating the US isn't one of them. You want to talking about hating Americans let's talk about cutting social programs that help the poor, or getting rid of Obamacare, that cancels health insurance for millions of Americans. If all you want to gut social programs, then take your American flag and shove it up your ass.

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"Making a general comment that liberals are generally pacifists and cowards is what I say"

That statement is total nonsense. The wars from Vietnam on less than 2% of the nations population served in the Armed Services. Due to the draft, the majority of the people that fought the Vietnam war were blacks, and whites that didn't go to college. How many blacks are conservative Republicans?

Less than 18% now in the Senate, and House served in the Armed Services. How many members on Senate, and House wear the American flag on their chests? It is almost a dress requirement. How many of our representatives would send their children into battle? It is perfectly fine to send someone else child into harms way. The term for this is chicken hawks.

Where did you get the idea that Hillary is totally disregards national security? She is not a Rand Paul. She is described as a hawk. I don't like Hillary, but sticking this nonsense on her is beyond stupid.

When the hell are you thick headed Republicans going to get it through your skull that the American public is tired of war? Giving Americans what they wanted means Obama hates this country only in the world of far right wing nuts does this take hold. "W" signed an agreement to leave Iraq. Obama lived up to that agreement. If he didn't, the US signature on any agreement is worthless.

Obama, and Hillary have their faults, but hating the US isn't one of them. You want to talking about hating Americans let's talk about cutting social programs that help the poor, or getting rid of Obamacare, that cancels health insurance for millions of Americans. If all you want to gut social programs, then take your American flag and shove it up your ass.

Obama and Clinton love the USA for what it allows and affords them to do. Their actions regarding caring for we the people, the military and America's standing in the world demonstrate otherwise!

As for your last sentence you win the disrespect to the flag dumb A$$ of the year award. Do you think such gutter mouthed talk does anything positive for what you believe? Of course not. It only underscores the brain is not engaged, assuming one is present!
Shame on the need for such crass commentary regarding our flag.

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"Making a general comment that liberals are generally pacifists and cowards is what I say"

That statement is total nonsense. The wars from Vietnam on less than 2% of the nations population served in the Armed Services. Due to the draft, the majority of the people that fought the Vietnam war were blacks, and whites that didn't go to college. How many blacks are conservative Republicans?

Less than 18% now in the Senate, and House served in the Armed Services. How many members on Senate, and House wear the American flag on their chests? It is almost a dress requirement. How many of our representatives would send their children into battle? It is perfectly fine to send someone else child into harms way. The term for this is chicken hawks.

Where did you get the idea that Hillary is totally disregards national security? She is not a Rand Paul. She is described as a hawk. I don't like Hillary, but sticking this nonsense on her is beyond stupid.

When the hell are you thick headed Republicans going to get it through your skull that the American public is tired of war? Giving Americans what they wanted means Obama hates this country only in the world of far right wing nuts does this take hold. "W" signed an agreement to leave Iraq. Obama lived up to that agreement. If he didn't, the US signature on any agreement is worthless.

Obama, and Hillary have their faults, but hating the US isn't one of them. You want to talking about hating Americans let's talk about cutting social programs that help the poor, or getting rid of Obamacare, that cancels health insurance for millions of Americans. If all you want to gut social programs, then take your American flag and shove it up your ass.

"Liberals are pacifists and cowards" - I apologize, but the majority of liberals are pacifists. In my opinion, that makes them cowards.
I don't know where you got the idea that the majority of the military were black in Vietnam, but the fact is that although there were a lot, they only amounted to 12.6% of the military serving in Vietnam.

Where do I get the idea that Hillary disregards national security? She blatantly disregarded national security by exposing classified information to an unsecured, un-encrypted and open network. She either knew what she was doing because she was briefed and signed the Non-Disclosure agreement, or she is too stupid to know better and should not ever be considered for a position of responsibility. Is that clear enough for you? If you need me to type slower so that you can read it, let me know.

Why do I think that Obama hates America? Well, he married Michelle, didn't he? But, besides that he hates cops, hates whites, hates banks, hates the wealthy, bows to the enemy and does not love his country to be a leader but to "lead from behind" which in reality means "to follow." Plain enough for you?

If you don't like being told the truth, then pretend to care.

Tired of war, you say? If you do war properly, then you don't have to have war as much or as long. If politicians would get out of the war business, we could end wars more efficiently and speedily. Tired of war? Why should liberals care? They don't want to volunteer. After all, according to you the military are lower life individuals with no education. And you wonder why everyone else thinks liberals are not patriotic? Who protests in the streets against war? The liberals.

So, before opening mouth make sure your feet are clean.

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Tired of war, you say? If you do war properly, then you don't have to have war as much or as long.

Now this is rich.....

From the Iraq war

Iraq war: Predictions made, and results - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1222/Iraq-war-Predictions-made-and-results)

But W declared that war over many years ago

'Mission Accomplished': Bush's Infamous Iraq War Speech, 10 Years Later - US News (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/press-past/2013/05/01/the-other-symbol-of-george-w-bushs-legacy)

Just more Republican BS....

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Tired of war, you say? If you do war properly, then you don't have to have war as much or as long.

Now this is rich.....

From the Iraq war

Iraq war: Predictions made, and results - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1222/Iraq-war-Predictions-made-and-results)

But W declared that war over many years ago

'Mission Accomplished': Bush's Infamous Iraq War Speech, 10 Years Later - US News (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/press-past/2013/05/01/the-other-symbol-of-george-w-bushs-legacy)

Just more Republican BS....

Gotta love that Mission Accomplished myth. Had to laugh at that one, because idiot liberals are so naive that they took a photo op and used it to further their agenda. That was NOT Bush's banner. That was a ship banner when it was leaving the war to return home on its rotation. They were finished with their mission, thus "mission accomplished." But liberals love it because they prefer to ignorantly and foolishly believe that Bush was declaring the end of the war. Congratulations, you are furthering the myth...ignorantly. That's what happens when folks are too lazy to do some research, just parrot something someone else tells them.

I don't really care what you think about my statement regarding the idea of doing the war properly so you don't have to repeat it or prolong it. It's fact as related many times by many experts. Vietnam was a perfect example of a screwed up war, being more screwed up by the politicians that tried to run it from D.C. Politicians do not know how to do war, and that is why they fail. If they don't like what a general tells them, they fire him. So, he just agrees with them and they mess things up.

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[QUOTE=Guest;1167586]Tired of war, you say? If you do war properly, then you don't have to have war as much or as long.


That would make a great tweet. In fact, that poster who droned on should open a twitter account and maybe learn a little brevity.

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"Making a general comment that liberals are generally pacifists and cowards is what I say"

That statement is total nonsense. The wars from Vietnam on less than 2% of the nations population served in the Armed Services. Due to the draft, the majority of the people that fought the Vietnam war were blacks, and whites that didn't go to college. How many blacks are conservative Republicans?

Less than 18% now in the Senate, and House served in the Armed Services. How many members on Senate, and House wear the American flag on their chests? It is almost a dress requirement. How many of our representatives would send their children into battle? It is perfectly fine to send someone else child into harms way. The term for this is chicken hawks.

Where did you get the idea that Hillary is totally disregards national security? She is not a Rand Paul. She is described as a hawk. I don't like Hillary, but sticking this nonsense on her is beyond stupid.uu

When the hell are you thick headed Republicans going to get it through your skull that the American public is tired of war? Giving Americans what they wanted means Obama hates this country only in the world of far right wing nuts does this take hold. "W" signed an agreement to leave Iraq. Obama lived up to that agreement. If he didn't, the US signature on any agreement is worthless.

Obama, and Hillary have their faults, but hating the US isn't one of them. You want to talking about hating Americans let's talk about cutting social programs that help the poor, or getting rid of Obamacare, that cancels health insurance for millions of Americans. If all you want to gut social programs, then take your American flag and shove it up your ass.

:thumbup: I agree!

Also, how many of the Democrat candidates's fathers fought for a Communist? Rafael (Teddy) Cruz's father, Rafael Sr., fought alongside Fidel Castro. That, by itself, should disqualify him for being President.

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:thumbup: I agree!

Also, how many of the Democrat candidates's fathers fought for a Communist? Rafael (Teddy) Cruz's father, Rafael Sr., fought alongside Fidel Castro. That, by itself, should disqualify him for being President.

Obama openly embraces the Castor regime so as Hillary is fond of saying, "What difference does it make".

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If all you want to gut social programs, then take your American flag and shove it up your ass.

Typical liberal speak. But, I love it when the liberal either diverts by blaming Bush or disparages the poster they are replying to. Shows their true colors and lack of manners/decorum. I kind of figured that someone that falsely claims patriotism, would come up with something derogatory to say and do with the flag. Shows that the American flag means nothing to you.

Oh, and by the way Social Security and Medicare (which I don't need) is funded by MY earned money, not the governments.

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Obama openly embraces the Castor regime so as Hillary is fond of saying, "What difference does it make".

:agree: ...totally.

IMO Obama and Hilary both hate America, are cowards and traitors.

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BS!.....per usual!

Truth hurts doesn't it?

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Gotta love that Mission Accomplished myth. Had to laugh at that one, because idiot liberals are so naive that they took a photo op and used it to further their agenda. That was NOT Bush's banner. That was a ship banner when it was leaving the war to return home on its rotation. They were finished with their mission, thus "mission accomplished." But liberals love it because they prefer to ignorantly and foolishly believe that Bush was declaring the end of the war. Congratulations, you are furthering the myth...ignorantly. That's what happens when folks are too lazy to do some research, just parrot something someone else tells them.

I don't really care what you think about my statement regarding the idea of doing the war properly so you don't have to repeat it or prolong it. It's fact as related many times by many experts. Vietnam was a perfect example of a screwed up war, being more screwed up by the politicians that tried to run it from D.C. Politicians do not know how to do war, and that is why they fail. If they don't like what a general tells them, they fire him. So, he just agrees with them and they mess things up.

I haven't done my research.....

From the text of George W Bush's speech....

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended," Bush said, the infamous "Mission Accomplished" banner hovering over him. "In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."



You don't know what you are talking about on this issue.

Waiting for those links about Obama EO's being overturned, but I can help you with that NONE have been overturned but 2 have been taken to court by the House.

I have no time for someone who is unarmed its just not a fair fight!

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I haven't done my research.....

From the text of George W Bush's speech....

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended," Bush said, the infamous "Mission Accomplished" banner hovering over him. "In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."



You don't know what you are talking about on this issue.

Waiting for those links about Obama EO's being overturned, but I can help you with that NONE have been overturned but 2 have been taken to court by the House.

I have no time for someone who is unarmed its just not a fair fight!

Your minute research is flawed. The banner was put up by the Carrier and there was nothing wrong with his speech. Liberals took it out of context as per usual.

I can think of a couple E.O.s overturned due to being unconstitutional. You know, authored by the Constitutional expert himself that had to get the A.G. to help him on gun control? But, that's OK, smart@$$ at least you were motivated enough to give it a try. Better than some on here. Now, work on your attitude when replying and you might just make a decent discussion.

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"Making a general comment that liberals are generally pacifists and cowards is what I say"

That statement is total nonsense. The wars from Vietnam on less than 2% of the nations population served in the Armed Services. Due to the draft, the majority of the people that fought the Vietnam war were blacks, and whites that didn't go to college. How many blacks are conservative Republicans?

Less than 18% now in the Senate, and House served in the Armed Services. How many members on Senate, and House wear the American flag on their chests? It is almost a dress requirement. How many of our representatives would send their children into battle? It is perfectly fine to send someone else child into harms way. The term for this is chicken hawks.

Where did you get the idea that Hillary is totally disregards national security? She is not a Rand Paul. She is described as a hawk. I don't like Hillary, but sticking this nonsense on her is beyond stupid.

When the hell are you thick headed Republicans going to get it through your skull that the American public is tired of war? Giving Americans what they wanted means Obama hates this country only in the world of far right wing nuts does this take hold. "W" signed an agreement to leave Iraq. Obama lived up to that agreement. If he didn't, the US signature on any agreement is worthless.

Obama, and Hillary have their faults, but hating the US isn't one of them. You want to talking about hating Americans let's talk about cutting social programs that help the poor, or getting rid of Obamacare, that cancels health insurance for millions of Americans. If all you want to gut social programs, then take your American flag and shove it up your ass.

Excellent points! :BigApplause:

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Excellent points! :BigApplause:

Except that the points are not facts and the rest is opinion. But, applaud away. Some folks actually believe Hillary's lies also. There are a lot of naive and ignorant people in the U.S. and they have no excuse, considering the electronic library they have in the Internet.

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Except that the points are not facts and the rest is opinion. But, applaud away. Some folks actually believe Hillary's lies also. There are a lot of naive and ignorant people in the U.S. and they have no excuse, considering the electronic library they have in the Internet.

I am laughing at you. "There are a lot of naive and ignorant people in the U.S." You shouldn't be so on yourself. Those points that you said are not facts are facts. Why don't you use your own advice, and look them up on the internet? The internet is where I got these facts.

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Typical liberal speak. But, I love it when the liberal either diverts by blaming Bush or disparages the poster they are replying to. Shows their true colors and lack of manners/decorum. I kind of figured that someone that falsely claims patriotism, would come up with something derogatory to say and do with the flag. Shows that the American flag means nothing to you.

Oh, and by the way Social Security and Medicare (which I don't need) is funded by MY earned money, not the governments.

Why don't you try to read the entire paragraph instead of picking one sentence out of it? That would be the honest thing to do.

Lack of manners. 95% of the posts here coming from Republicans posters here try to degrade anyone that doesn't agree with them. In the Republican world here, there is no such thing as being civil. Being civil is a sign of weakness. Name calling is the name of the game, and they excel at it.

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Why don't you try to read the entire paragraph instead of picking one sentence out of it? That would be the honest thing to do.

Lack of manners. 95% of the posts here coming from Republicans posters here try to degrade anyone that doesn't agree with them. In the Republican world here, there is no such thing as being civil. Being civil is a sign of weakness. Name calling is the name of the game, and they excel at it.

Disagreeing with your comments is NOT degrading you. Wow, you liberals sure whine a lot. If we are speaking of liberals in general, why do you take it personal. It is you liberals that come back and attack the poster personally. We can handle it. I find it funny at times. I also find it illmannered, but I expected it from the left. It's always been personal to the left. Pelosi with her war against the tea party (grass roots), Reid lying about Romney not paying taxes, Gray telling everyone that the GOP health plan is for old people to die and Obama telling the Latinos that the Republicans are the enemy. Try not to be so sensitive. You can be mannerly to the individual and still throw dirt at the party. But, I don't expect it.

By the way, 95% of the posts on here ARE from conservatives. What would you expect? You think they are going to agree with you? The guest feature is so that no one has to conform to PC to have a debate over issues. A lot of the posts on here start out as someone presenting a point and other discussing it. If you want to jump in and slur the OP personally, try not to cry when you are attacked by the majority. And posting multiple times, replying to oneself doesn't fool anyone either.

But, do as you please. It's still a free country. And it will be more free, once Obummer is gone. :D

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Why don't you try to read the entire paragraph instead of picking one sentence out of it? That would be the honest thing to do.

Maybe you should apologize for your one line Anti-patriotic slur, and then you might be taken seriously. So, don't cry when it is you that offend others and they strike back at you.

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Maybe you should apologize for your one line Anti-patriotic slur, and then you might be taken seriously. So, don't cry when it is you that offend others and they strike back at you.

Why should I cry, when you look a swing and a miss? You swung hit nothing but air. Anybody that opposes the right wing Republicans on this board is never taken seriously. They will always strike back, because that is the only thing that they how to do. Children acting just like children.

I apologize for my one line anti- patriotic slur. I should not have treated the American flag that way. What I should have said was the Republican that I was addressing should have pulled his head of his ass first so there would be plenty of room for the American flag to be flown in all its glory.

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Telling someone to take the American flag and shove up his ass is anti-patriotic. If you read the posts on this thread, armed thugs taking over a government building is patriotism at its finest. If that isn't talking out of both sides of your mouth at one time, then what is?

They are making demands that their relatives convicted of crimes must be let go before they leave. The governments mistake was in not using force in the first case several years ago in dealing with Bundy.

The government should use the armed military vehicles that they handed out to the police against these terrorist, Y'all Qaeda. Blow them away, and you won't have to deal with their like in the future. Giving them what they want only guarantees that things like this will happen in the future.

If any survive, bring terrorist charges against them, and send them to jail for a long time.

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Telling someone to take the American flag and shove up his ass is anti-patriotic. If you read the posts on this thread, armed thugs taking over a government building is patriotism at its finest. If that isn't talking out of both sides of your mouth at one time, then what is?

They are making demands that their relatives convicted of crimes must be let go before they leave. The governments mistake was in not using force in the first case several years ago in dealing with Bundy.

The government should use the armed military vehicles that they handed out to the police against these terrorist, Y'all Qaeda. Blow them away, and you won't have to deal with their like in the future. Giving them what they want only guarantees that things like this will happen in the future.

If any survive, bring terrorist charges against them, and send them to jail for a long time.

And yet, you are the type that would go crazy about police brutality if the police were to stop the Black Lives Matter criminals from damaging property. On top of that, you slur-make fun of country folks like the real bigot you are. I don't support their armed resistance, but they haven't hurt anyone yet, so lets keep it that way. I reiterate, I don't endorse their behavior but I understand it. They are not trashing and looting businesses or burning cop cars. You don't have a problem with BLM doing that, do you?

And I find it kind of amusing-pathetic that liberals are calling for the police to kill peaceful resistance, and yet want to coddle murderers in jail and avoid execution at all cost.

You liberals are showing that you really do have a lot of hate for the right in you. And you have no problem at all looking down your nose at country folk. That makes you appear to be a bigot. How does it feel to be on the other end of the political gun? Ooops, I said gun. Scary!

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Your minute research is flawed. The banner was put up by the Carrier and there was nothing wrong with his speech. Liberals took it out of context as per usual.

I can think of a couple E.O.s overturned due to being unconstitutional. You know, authored by the Constitutional expert himself that had to get the A.G. to help him on gun control? But, that's OK, smart@$$ at least you were motivated enough to give it a try. Better than some on here. Now, work on your attitude when replying and you might just make a decent discussion.

Bush said in the speech that major combat operations were over and we had prevailed. Tell that to my nephew the Gunnery Sargent in the Marines 5 tours in the Middle East and a purple heart after GW Bush made those ridiculous statements.

Now we have a never ending war in the Middle East!

You can try but you can't spin this!

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What we are witnessing is the result of the Bureau of Land Managements abuse of Eminent Domain and the adverse economic affect it has had on these ranchers. I am opposed to the fact that these protesters are in possessions of weapons, it is a bad move on their part.

I do understand their desperation and frustration leading up to the seizure of this federal building.

The liberal news media will describe these white protesters in unflattering terms, as criminals, etc However if they were indian, muslim or black it would be for a righteous cause and the news media would demand their terms be met

But we have learned that we have at the helm a racist president and one who has a disdain for religion and guns and so with the support of the liberal media he will make clear that we don't capitulate with terrorists, except when we want to free brave and noble soldiers like Bergdahl or countries , Iran, Cuba.......

Personal Best Regards:

This has nothing to do with ""eminent domain" get your facts straight when you post. Your post shows you are un-American, your views are fascist.

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And yet, you are the type that would go crazy about police brutality if the police were to stop the Black Lives Matter criminals from damaging property. On top of that, you slur-make fun of country folks like the real bigot you are. I don't support their armed resistance, but they haven't hurt anyone yet, so lets keep it that way. I reiterate, I don't endorse their behavior but I understand it. They are not trashing and looting businesses or burning cop cars. You don't have a problem with BLM doing that, do you?

And I find it kind of amusing-pathetic that liberals are calling for the police to kill peaceful resistance, and yet want to coddle murderers in jail and avoid execution at all cost.

You liberals are showing that you really do have a lot of hate for the right in you. And you have no problem at all looking down your nose at country folk. That makes you appear to be a bigot. How does it feel to be on the other end of the political gun? Ooops, I said gun. Scary!

Again, you know nothing about me, but keep on tagging me as a left wing liberal. I have said many times on this board that Black Lives Matters are nothing but a bunch of bigots. I have said that Bernie Sanders should have slugged that black woman that took away his microphone at one of his campaign stops. I have no sympathy for BLM.

What would happen, if BLM shows up with guns at one of their protest sites? In Ferguson, Mo., police brought their military style vehicles dressed in riot gear, and BLM weren't armed. Why is always necessary to divert the attention away from subject at hand, the armed takeover of a government building is the issue, and not BLM.

They have taken a government building with guns, and threaten violence, if they don't get their way. The rule of law doesn't apply to Y'all Qaeda, because they are uneducated. By the way, Y'all Qaeda came from CNN. So, is CNN a bigoted news organization? If there are no consequences to their actions, they will do it over, and over again.

Apparently, they are Mormons. The Mormon church has distanced themselves from them. Should we call them what they are "radical Mormon terrorists"?

The right really loves the left. If you can't see that on this board, you aren't looking. Define left. It appears that anyone one inch to the left of the far right is considered liberal no matter what party they belong to.

As far as the death penalty is concerned, if a person is found guilty, and is sentenced to death, kill them, and the sooner the better. So, am I still a liberal, or maybe just an accomplished liar?

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Again, you know nothing about me, but keep on tagging me as a left wing liberal. I have said many times on this board that Black Lives Matters are nothing but a bunch of bigots. I have said that Bernie Sanders should have slugged that black woman that took away his microphone at one of his campaign stops. I have no sympathy for BLM.

What would happen, if BLM shows up with guns at one of their protest sites? In Ferguson, Mo., police brought their military style vehicles dressed in riot gear, and BLM weren't armed. Why is always necessary to divert the attention away from subject at hand, the armed takeover of a government building is the issue, and not BLM.

They have taken a government building with guns, and threaten violence, if they don't get their way. The rule of law doesn't apply to Y'all Qaeda, because they are uneducated. By the way, Y'all Qaeda came from CNN. So, is CNN a bigoted news organization? If there are no consequences to their actions, they will do it over, and over again.

Apparently, they are Mormons. The Mormon church has distanced themselves from them. Should we call them what they are "radical Mormon terrorists"?

The right really loves the left. If you can't see that on this board, you aren't looking. Define left. It appears that anyone one inch to the left of the far right is considered liberal no matter what party they belong to.

As far as the death penalty is concerned, if a person is found guilty, and is sentenced to death, kill them, and the sooner the better. So, am I still a liberal, or maybe just an accomplished liar?

YOu seem to be a very confused person with anger issues. I wonder which one of these comments you have issue with. Perhaps you just want to rant?

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YOu seem to be a very confused person with anger issues. I wonder which one of these comments you have issue with. Perhaps you just want to rant?

No, the ranting is most likely a medical condition caused by dementia and alcoholism. We see it often at the hospice. Very sad.

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YOu seem to be a very confused person with anger issues. I wonder which one of these comments you have issue with. Perhaps you just want to rant?

I am confused! Apparently, reading and recalling what you just read seems to be your problem. Which one of the issues do you want me to address?

Why do Republican always want to divert the attention away from the main issue? Go back and read the original thread, and read the posts. Over 60% of them had nothing to do with the original thread.

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No, the ranting is most likely a medical condition caused by dementia and alcoholism. We see it often at the hospice. Very sad.

So, how are you doing at the hospice? Is your room ok, and are they treating you well?

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So, how are you doing at the hospice? Is your room ok, and are they treating you well?

I volunteer at the Cornerstone Hospice. It is not a joking matter.

The rantings are very often caused bu dementia and alcoholism.

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You people are fools if you think that wearing an American flag pin on your clothing or flag labels on your underwear, or waving flags on your golf cart somehow makes you more patriotic. Patriotism is not about the symbols it's about the actions, specifically devotion to one's homeland.

Dear Guest: I believe its both. Many of us display the American Flag to symbolize our patriotism Note the number of flags displayed on 4th of July, Labor Day, Flag Day, etc

Which brings me to the Confederate Flag and people's right . Many Americans are not aware that the guys who fought on the southern side during the civil War were legally consider American Veterans and were entitled to VA benefits, etc.

But along comes those meely mouthed trigger warning micro aggressive types intent on re-writing history to their liking

I display my flag proudly because I am grateful and proud to be an American

Personal Best Regards:

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"Making a general comment that liberals are generally pacifists and cowards is what I say"

That statement is total nonsense. The wars from Vietnam on less than 2% of the nations population served in the Armed Services. Due to the draft, the majority of the people that fought the Vietnam war were blacks, and whites that didn't go to college. How many blacks are conservative Republicans?

Less than 18% now in the Senate, and House served in the Armed Services. How many members on Senate, and House wear the American flag on their chests? It is almost a dress requirement. How many of our representatives would send their children into battle? It is perfectly fine to send someone else child into harms way. The term for this is chicken hawks.

Where did you get the idea that Hillary is totally disregards national security? She is not a Rand Paul. She is described as a hawk. I don't like Hillary, but sticking this nonsense on her is beyond stupid.

When the hell are you thick headed Republicans going to get it through your skull that the American public is tired of war? Giving Americans what they wanted means Obama hates this country only in the world of far right wing nuts does this take hold. "W" signed an agreement to leave Iraq. Obama lived up to that agreement. If he didn't, the US signature on any agreement is worthless.

Obama, and Hillary have their faults, but hating the US isn't one of them. You want to talking about hating Americans let's talk about cutting social programs that help the poor, or getting rid of Obamacare, that cancels health insurance for millions of Americans. If all you want to gut social programs, then take your American flag and shove it up your ass.

Dear Guest:

Your comments fit the progressive profile in that 1) progressive ignore the limits of nature. No one likes war but unfortunately some do and when they initiate a nation has to respond. 2) progressives over reach with their entitlement programs and civil rights issue that end up trampling on everyone civil rights 3) life is unfair and anything and everything you attempt a) won't change it b) ends up doing m ore harm 4) far too many progressives are aficionadoes of political delusion and hence the reason Obama, Reid, Pelosi Hillary & Bill Clinton and a socialist like Bernie Sanders thrive

I wish it were not so but there is a glimmer of hope because what I am reading/hearing now is that many Democrats will not vote Democrat in 2016

Finally I believe based on your posts that you are a caring American and hence i respect our ideological differences

Personal Best Regards:

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This has nothing to do with ""eminent domain" get your facts straight when you post. Your post shows you are un-American, your views are fascist.

Dear Guest: You use derogatory language when you post which tells me that you are an angry progressive and that you are an angry progressive suffering from political delusions. Responding in such a manner clearly indicates you do not belong on this forum. If you are a troll the same still applies

Do you know who the Hammonds are? What the Bureau of Land Management is doing in those western states is interfering with their ability to ranch( land use) etc it has everything to do with eminent domain.

So 1) tell me what this dispute is all about? 2) explain to me why you refer to me as un-American? 3) why I am a fascist?

Personal Best Regards:

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I am done with this thread.

Personal Best Regards:

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First off, I have no problem with anyone that wishes to proudly display the American flag in an attempt to show their patriotism. In my opinion, that is better than the ones that burn the flag or spit at us when we came back from Vietnam. That said, I have more respect for those that quietly served their country, not feeling the necessity to "prove" to anyone that they are patriotic. My wife wants me to put up the flag for every occasion, and I do. But, I served in Vietnam, then returned to service when the Persian Gulf heated up and served in Desert Storm. Then I was in Iraq in 2003 for Iraqi Freedom. NO, I do not need recognition. I just wanted to give my basis for commenting on the patriotism debate. The point is that the poster that said "patriotism is not about symbols but about actions and devotion" (paraphrased) has a very good idea about what it's all about. I am very happy to see folks proudly display their American flag. It's much, much better than what we dealt with in the late sixties when we returned home to a scornful populace. But, on the other hand don't think that waving a flag is a substitute for serving and sacrificing for your country. They are two entirely separate things. Serving your country is also willingly sacrificing for your country. You have heard the joke about the conversation between a pig and the chicken, right? The chicken points to billboard showing advertising an egg and bacon breakfast and says, "look at what I contribute to the breakfast." upon which the pig points to the bacon and says "you are involved but I am totally committed." I do NOT say this in order to disparage those that wish to contribute to patriotism. I am only saying that they should not beat their chest and brag about how brave they are for displaying the flag, when we have others on here that have willingly lost or given up part of their souls for their country to give them that right or privilege. It's not a debate as to who is the most patriotic, it's about sharing the liberty and freedom together. It's about feeling good and proud to be an American. It's about knowing that we are the best example of Freedom in the World.

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I wasn't going to enter the patriotism, flag fray but some recent posts have tipped me to do so.

Like so many other subjects posted on this forum each to his own interpretation and then re-stating what they think they heard or read between the lines or just re-manufacture to suit their purpose....that is what I observe in this discussion.

There just seems to be a need for one upmanship on far too many discussions.
There needs to be more respect for another's position, opinion, feelings, observations, likes, dislikes, etc without having to put down all if they happen to differ from one or another.

All that is needed is the respect of the others rights to make their statement of how the see or want to see life.

To me the school yard style bantoring, childish bickering, name calling, aggrivating, disrespectful of others discourse is exercising free speech without a doubt. But has devolved to total lack of respect with repetitive disparaging of others views.

To try to scale the degree of patriotism based only on who served or didn't or those who fly the flag or don't or brag out loud or don't adds no value what so ever to the real subject of value.......we are all Americans.....we are all different......but no less Americans.....let's continue to hope and pray we remain the majority........

So how about cutting the BS of mine is bigger than yours and I am a better American than you and stand up as a group as we do when we are out together face to face in public and not anonymously riding the keyboard.

There will come a time in our future when the ONLY important American are the remaining ones to your left or to your right. Survival will sort us out very quickly and diminish the petty BS differences!

There is my two cents on the issue.....I have my body armor on!

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Dear Guest: I believe its both. Many of us display the American Flag to symbolize our patriotism Note the number of flags displayed on 4th of July, Labor Day, Flag Day, etc

Which brings me to the Confederate Flag and people's right . Many Americans are not aware that the guys who fought on the southern side during the civil War were legally consider American Veterans and were entitled to VA benefits, etc.

But along comes those meely mouthed trigger warning micro aggressive types intent on re-writing history to their liking

I display my flag proudly because I am grateful and proud to be an American

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When you use "But along comes those meely mouthed trigger warning micro aggressive types intent on re-writing history to their liking" it shows your ignorance. Try to post in a respectful way.

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I am done with this thread.

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Of course I hit a nerve. didn't I?

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Of course I hit a nerve. didn't I?

:agree:

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I volunteer at the Cornerstone Hospice. It is not a joking matter.

The rantings are very often caused bu dementia and alcoholism.

It is not a joking matter. Maybe you should have fired the first shot. You're the one that suggested that I was in hospice care due to dementia, and alcoholism.

For the record, I haven't had a mixed drink, since the late 70's. I bought a twelve pack of beer, and it lasted in two years.

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I wasn't going to enter the patriotism, flag fray but some recent posts have tipped me to do so.

Like so many other subjects posted on this forum each to his own interpretation and then re-stating what they think they heard or read between the lines or just re-manufacture to suit their purpose....that is what I observe in this discussion.

There just seems to be a need for one upmanship on far too many discussions.
There needs to be more respect for another's position, opinion, feelings, observations, likes, dislikes, etc without having to put down all if they happen to differ from one or another.

All that is needed is the respect of the others rights to make their statement of how the see or want to see life.

To me the school yard style bantoring, childish bickering, name calling, aggrivating, disrespectful of others discourse is exercising free speech without a doubt. But has devolved to total lack of respect with repetitive disparaging of others views.

To try to scale the degree of patriotism based only on who served or didn't or those who fly the flag or don't or brag out loud or don't adds no value what so ever to the real subject of value.......we are all Americans.....we are all different......but no less Americans.....let's continue to hope and pray we remain the majority........

So how about cutting the BS of mine is bigger than yours and I am a better American than you and stand up as a group as we do when we are out together face to face in public and not anonymously riding the keyboard.

There will come a time in our future when the ONLY important American are the remaining ones to your left or to your right. Survival will sort us out very quickly and diminish the petty BS differences!

There is my two cents on the issue.....I have my body armor on!

You don't need any body armor. What you have written in this post is right on target. The problem is it will go in one ear and right out the other.

The problem will go away until people like me leave. I am a moderate Independent, but in the eyes of people here I am a left wing liberal. The far right has taken over the Republican party, and this board. Compromise is a swear word. Even listening to someone else that doesn't agree with you is a sign of weakness.

The far right seems to have a bigger problem with the center/right members of their party than they do with Democrats. The entire political system now sucks. That anger is reflected here, and will not go away with rational thought.

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Dear Guest:

Your comments fit the progressive profile in that 1) progressive ignore the limits of nature. No one likes war but unfortunately some do and when they initiate a nation has to respond. 2) progressives over reach with their entitlement programs and civil rights issue that end up trampling on everyone civil rights 3) life is unfair and anything and everything you attempt a) won't change it b) ends up doing m ore harm 4) far too many progressives are aficionadoes of political delusion and hence the reason Obama, Reid, Pelosi Hillary & Bill Clinton and a socialist like Bernie Sanders thrive

I wish it were not so but there is a glimmer of hope because what I am reading/hearing now is that many Democrats will not vote Democrat in 2016

Finally I believe based on your posts that you are a caring American and hence i respect our ideological differences

Personal Best Regards:

Don't leave this thread just yet. I do appreciate your post. This the first time someone here showed me any respect for any of my views. This was shock, and awe in its finest sense.

Let's talk about war, and destroying ISIS. There has been plenty of talk about America leading from behind in addressing ISIS in Syria, and Iraq. Who is at the forefront in attacking ISIS Russia, and Iran? The only way countries are going to follow us is if we put 100,000 - 200,000 ground troops in there. You are not going defeat ISIS from the air. What lead are we suppose to take, when countries in that area won't follow unless we are there in great numbers? Isn't what most of the Republicans candidates are suggesting, we are already doing?

Where is the overreach in the social programs with Obamacare being the exception? We have gone away from welfare moms, since the 80's. The great recession caused the large increase in the food stamp program. Was the food stamp program changed under Obama? The child tax credit was initiated by "W". I could be wrong here. The 99 week unemployment program was made necessary by the depth of the great recession, and unemployment has gone back to the 52(?) weeks.

One of the Republican suggestions for the food stamp program is to give the money to each state, and each state will administer the program. Given what happened with Obamacare, no one in their right mind would let that happen.

As far as civil rights, the blacks got a black president. Rightly or wrongly, they expected a lot from him. There is no way that he could satisfy them. These groups like Black Lives Matter don't want to become equal. They want to become more equal. They should be ignored.

Bill Clinton's presidency wasn't all that bad. He did balance the budget. The Democrats are running away from him in the same way Republicans are running away from Reagan. As far as Hillary is concerned, she is running on her husbands name. If it wasn't for him, nobody would know who she is.

Reid, and Pelosi exist as leaders of their branches of government due to their how long they have been in Washington. Reid will be gone soon, and the House will be controlled by the Republicans until the next census, and maybe a changed in the manner in each district is drawn up. Gerrymandering has to stop, or at least curtailed.

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You don't need any body armor. What you have written in this post is right on target. The problem is it will go in one ear and right out the other.

The problem will go away until people like me leave. I am a moderate Independent, but in the eyes of people here I am a left wing liberal. The far right has taken over the Republican party, and this board. Compromise is a swear word. Even listening to someone else that doesn't agree with you is a sign of weakness.

The far right seems to have a bigger problem with the center/right members of their party than they do with Democrats. The entire political system now sucks. That anger is reflected here, and will not go away with rational thought.

The problem does not exist in the "far right" on here. The problem is the supposed moderates saying they are conservative, when in reality they are just RINOs. The so-called Independents are just liberals that are trying to camouflage the fact that they are left. Most Republicans today are not "far right" but have just had enough of the left wing bullying attempt, where liberals accuse conservatives of being at war with women, war against the poor, in the rich's pocket, racists, gay bigots and religious fanatics. When the reality of it is that they are just plain ole Christian conservatives maintaining the same old morality they have always had, but had up until now, keep their mouths shut. Just because liberals have been running roughshod all over the constitution in the past decade or so, does not mean that anyone that opposes them is a far right radical. But, make believe you are average and normal all you want, and watch America go European. And I say European as a slur intentionally. It is you liberals and so-called moderates that have changed the norm with the media tool. We conservatives have remained stable and patriotic, while you have made a big to do about regressing to European socialism and calling it being progressive. It is you that have changed American morality by insisting that the Bible is fiction and that God is a myth. It is you liberals that have tried to convince our children that being homosexual is normal, that abortions are not sinful, that drugs should be legalized, and that vulgarity is common place. Don't blame America's downfall on the conservatives.
If my opinion is deemed evil to you, then I wonder what you base your opinion on. It certainly isn't anything American.

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The Constitution allows for protesting! Freedom of speech! Have they harmed anyone? Killed anyone? Blown up anyone? That answer is NO! They're not on Wall Street impeding traffic etc. So, what's your REAL complaint? An Informed Conservative.

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The Constitution allows for protesting! Freedom of speech! Have they harmed anyone? Killed anyone? Blown up anyone? That answer is NO! They're not on Wall Street impeding traffic etc. So, what's your REAL complaint? An Informed Conservative.

They don't have a clue, so that's why it will take them a very long time to come up with a proper answer....diversion. Perhaps they will remind us of something off the wall that Bush said, or that Billy Graham said. But, it won't be related to the subject, I guarantee.

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Check out "youtube" video if you don't have a clue as to what is going on in Oregon.

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As a conservative, I find it appalling that my neighbors are so selective in upholding the laws of the United States.

Occupation of a federal building is against the law if you're white, black, yellow or red.

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Definitely one of the most small minded, judgmental, self serving, nasty comments I've seen here and very typical of the right wing today.You call yourself a Christian but I don't see any sign of that in what you wrote.

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As a Republican I am appalled at my neighbor's selective enforcement of the laws of the United States. Unlawful occupation of a federal building is against the law wether you are white, black, yellow or red. Let's be honest and straight forward and not embarrass our party and what we stand for.

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Definitely one of the most small minded, judgmental, self serving, nasty comments I've seen here and very typical of the right wing today.You call yourself a Christian but I don't see any sign of that in what you wrote.

There is a reply button. Which post are you replying to?

I find it ironic that a liberal attempt to accuse someone of not being a good Christian. Does anyone else see the humor in that comment?

Kind of like Jay-Z or Snoop dogg being told by Vanilla Ice that they are not good at rap. No, that won't work, because Vanilla Ice is a rapper.

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As a conservative, I find it appalling that my neighbors are so selective in upholding the laws of the United States.

Occupation of a federal building is against the law if you're white, black, yellow or red.

Of course you jest. In an era in our history where laws are continuously ignored and not enforced.....SELECTIVELY......with leading examples by Obama and the congress.

Really?

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of course you jest. In an era in our history where laws are continuously ignored and not enforced.....selectively......with leading examples by obama and the congress.

Really?


no jest

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Of course you jest. In an era in our history where laws are continuously ignored and not enforced.....SELECTIVELY......with leading examples by Obama and the congress.

Really?

:agree:

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I'm a conservative- They are there illegally defying the US government and should be removed. Why doesn't the president direct the US Marshals or FBI to remove them? He must be waiting for an opinion poll to be finalized before yet again, taking selective, political law enforcemnt action. God knows he wouldn't want to lead based on pure conviction.

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Did any of you that wants the administration to intervene, shout about wanting him to do it when Scott Walker was fighting the teachers' union in Wisconsin? I believe they took over a state building, did they not? Please stop being disingenuous with your false indignity. Even if I don't endorse what they are doing, at least it is being done peacefully, without damaging property. The cretins from Occupy Wall St destroyed property and the liberals, including the idiot-in-chief said it was the American way. Black lives matter also destroys and yet they also get a pass. I have no qualms with people being against this means of protest, but please stop being hypocritical. Admit that it's ok for the minority and hippy groups to ruin a city, but when some country folk do a sit-in, actually backed by their community, you don't like it. I know, they were waving an American flag. You were hoping it was a Tea Party flag. But, we can't all have our way.

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OMG what a stupid remark. Obviously, you don't know any liberals.

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OMG what a stupid remark. Obviously, you don't know any liberals.

Reply button! That way, others beside yourself will know what you are replying to. It's really not that difficult. Even a liberal can be trained to utilize it....I think. Just kidding with you on the last part. Don't get upset.

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Hiding behind their Donald Trump posters.

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Hiding behind their Donald Trump posters.

Where can I get a Trump poster? :thumbup:

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Where can I get a Trump poster? :thumbup:

At the comic book store.

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At the comic book store.

They don't sell comic books in the Villages. If I can't get there by golf cart, I don't go......except when I need my BBQ fix and then I go to Oakwood.