Tinnitus

[calgone]

Anybody go to the tinnitus meeting at Churchhill the other day

[Paper1]

Anybody go to the tinnitus meeting at Churchhill the other day

Was it a meeting of Villagers or a sales presentation?

[SouthOfTheBorder]

Anybody go to the tinnitus meeting at Churchhill the other day

First time I heard anything about it.....
Don

[zcaveman]

I thought that there was a monthly tinnitus meeting somewhere in TV. they mention it in the Daily Sun.

Z

[graciegirl]

I think that someone is promoting "natural" supplements to cure tinnitus.


I read that somewhere, lately but can't think where.


I think if there was an easy fix, we would know about it. It is a widespread and common problem and very annoying if you have it.

[gatherer47]

I've suffered from it since facial nerve surgery in 1977.My kind can be described as like a radiator hissing in another room. My doctor told me to learn to live with it, which I have,or go mad !I lost seventy percent of my hearing in my right ear due to the illness and now a hearing aid helps some.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I think that someone is promoting "natural" supplements to cure tinnitus.


I read that somewhere, lately but can't think where.


I think if there was an easy fix, we would know about it. It is a widespread and common problem and very annoying if you have it.

It's very DAMN annoying. After many early years of working around farm machinery and later years of quarterly range qualifying and additional shooting, my tinnitus is really bad. I started wearing hearing aids a couple of months ago and it's helped mask the incessant ringing somewhat.

[Paper1]

It's very DAMN annoying. After many early years of working around farm machinery and later years of quarterly range qualifying and additional shooting, my tinnitus is really bad. I started wearing hearing aids a couple of months ago and it's helped mask the incessant ringing somewhat.
I'm fortunate, I have it from working 40 years in on a paper making machine. Mine is a high pitched buzzing but I'm able to block it out except at night at times when everything is quiet. Thus far it has not had a real negative impact on my life. It started two weeks after I retired.

[angiefox10]

There is a gentleman in The Villages Friendly Folks FB group who gives presentations about it. He is the one who was written up in the paper.

I haven't gone, but I hear it's quite informative.

[golfing eagles]

Tinnitus is rather common and can be VERY annoying
Assuming a doctor has excluded other causes such as acoustic neuroma or cerebropontine angle tumor, there is no "cure"
It will bother you more when it is quiet, so play some music or leave the TV on at night.
You can also try an OTC product, lipoflavenoids. About 50% of my patients who tried it reported it helped. Follow directions on package but you have to use it 2-3 months to see if it works, 1 week won't do it

[Markam]

Anybody go to the tinnitus meeting at Churchhill the other day
I tried to attend but the room was full.

[angiefox10]

People are quick to poo poo "natural" remedies. I think many would be surprised that many of them work to cure and in fact prevent issues.

I don't know what the presentation is about as I haven't gone. What I do know is that I have had good and sometimes GREAT results with natural remedies.

Also keep in mind there is new technology coming out every day. Yes EVERY DAY! Just consider how far we have come with the computer.... We can grow body parts at a record speed. I just had the lens to my bad eye replaced and can see better then I have in over 50 years... I'm told that maybe soon, I can get the bionic eye for my blind eye.

Doctors don't keep up with nutrition or natural cures. They only know medicine. Case in point, when a person's cholesterol starts climbing, the first thing a doctor wants to do is put people on statins. ( I have friends how have had horrible problems with statins) When I ask them if the doctors has mentioned nutrition to get their numbers in check... The answer is always NO!

The LifeLong Learning College has classes on nutrition. They are actually very good. I've talk to people who have done complete turn around with their health by changing just a few things.

What have you got to lose to listen. I understand he isn't selling anything, just informing. We are retired... What does it hurt to hear what he has to say and then do your own research? What else are you going to do?

I have taken some of the classes and even this old dog has learned some new tricks.

[golfing eagles]

Sorry to disagree, but...........

The FIRST thing a patient with hyperlipidemia gets is a low fat/low chol diet. Of course, they don't follow it, but they get it anyway. There are well established guidelines for prescribing statins, the NIH even has an algorithm on their website to determine which patient is a candidate. Long story short---if you have coronary artery disease, you NEED a statin, every study in the world shows that. NOT red rice yeast, NOT some naturopathic concoction, but a statin. Period. If your LDL is over 160 with 0 or 1 risk factor, or over 130 with 2 or more risk factors , you NEED a statin (or else you'll be needing a cardiologist). Everyone else can eat healthy and take whatever snake oil they get sold on
As far as other "natural" remedies go, whatever works for you is fine. But I'll stand by my challenge for anyone to come up with a LEGITIMATE study proving their value. Even the lipoflavenoids I just mentioned have no LEGITIMATE study showing any value.

[angiefox10]

Sorry to disagree, but...........

The FIRST thing a patient with hyperlipidemia gets is a low fat/low chol diet. Of course, they don't follow it, but they get it anyway. There are well established guidelines for prescribing statins, the NIH even has an algorithm on their website to determine which patient is a candidate. Long story short---if you have coronary artery disease, you NEED a statin, every study in the world shows that. NOT red rice yeast, NOT some naturopathic concoction, but a statin. Period. If your LDL is over 160 with 0 or 1 risk factor, or over 130 with 2 or more risk factors , you NEED a statin (or else you'll be needing a cardiologist). Everyone else can eat healthy and take whatever snake oil they get sold on
As far as other "natural" remedies go, whatever works for you is fine. But I'll stand by my challenge for anyone to come up with a LEGITIMATE study proving their value. Even the lipoflavenoids I just mentioned have no LEGITIMATE study showing any value.


If you are a doctor, you have just made my point. No one has talked to me or my husband about nutrition, and my husband was prescribed statins. I refused to take them. Both of us have brought our cholesterol down to perfect numbers and my husband is no longer taking statins.

This isn't the first time you have disagreed with me on issues that I know have worked for me.

Again you make my point. Know your own body, because no one else will. Not even your doctor. Do your research, and keep your mind open.

I actually have a friend who did their research about something that happened to their daughter. The doctors knew better and wouldn't listen. The child died.

[golfing eagles]

I don't see how my comment made YOUR point, but we're all friends here so I'm not going to argue. Your physician SHOULD have discussed diet, or had you see a dietician. But all the medical studies agree that in certain classes of elevated cholesterol with certain co-morbidities, that stain therapy is necessary. If someone can bring their LDL down to 70 with diet alone, God bless them, great job. But that is a rarity, believe me.

[eremite06]

There's no studies done on supplements because the drug companies can't make money on them.

[MikeV]

I have hearing loss and Tinnitus sine my Tank days in the Army. I get care at the VA for it with hearing aids but no cure for the Tinnitus. Mine is a static sound and at night when I try to sleep I hear my heartbeat sound in my right ear. Annoying but I have gotten used to it.

[graciegirl]

There's no studies done on supplements because the drug companies can't make money on them.



BUT, Eremite, the supplement companies make BIG money. There is no conspiracy to stop people from taking supplements. It is my opinion that supplements at best are mildly helpful, but often useless and sometimes dangerous. I am a huge fan of traditional medicine for all kinds of good reasons. VERY GOOD REASONS.


In today's world, we don't have those old gals with big cauldrons anymore, we have the supplement companies. At least that is how it looks to me, and my opinion is just as good as the next guys.


Incoming..........

[B767drvr]

Sorry to disagree, but...........

The FIRST thing a patient with hyperlipidemia gets is a low fat/low chol diet. Of course, they don't follow it, but they get it anyway. There are well established guidelines for prescribing statins, the NIH even has an algorithm on their website to determine which patient is a candidate. Long story short---if you have coronary artery disease, you NEED a statin, every study in the world shows that. NOT red rice yeast, NOT some naturopathic concoction, but a statin. Period. If your LDL is over 160 with 0 or 1 risk factor, or over 130 with 2 or more risk factors , you NEED a statin (or else you'll be needing a cardiologist). Everyone else can eat healthy and take whatever snake oil they get sold on
As far as other "natural" remedies go, whatever works for you is fine. But I'll stand by my challenge for anyone to come up with a LEGITIMATE study proving their value. Even the lipoflavenoids I just mentioned have no LEGITIMATE study showing any value.

Hey Doc, usually enjoy your posts... but it seems a bit disingenuous of you to be pushing statins when they are so ineffective. When comparing the benefit of statins versus simply eating a healthy whole food plant based diet, it sure sounds like statins are the modern snake oil.


The Actual Benefit of Diet vs. Drugs | NutritionFacts.org (http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-actual-benefit-of-diet-vs-drugs/)


Eliminating 90% of Heart Disease Risk | NutritionFacts.org (http://nutritionfacts.org/video/eliminating-90-of-heart-disease-risk/)

[golfing eagles]

Hey Doc, usually enjoy your posts... but it seems a bit disingenuous of you to be pushing statins when they are so ineffective. When comparing the benefit of statins versus simply eating a healthy whole food plant based diet, it sure sounds like statins are the modern snake oil.


The Actual Benefit of Diet vs. Drugs | NutritionFacts.org (http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-actual-benefit-of-diet-vs-drugs/)


Eliminating 90% of Heart Disease Risk | NutritionFacts.org (http://nutritionfacts.org/video/eliminating-90-of-heart-disease-risk/)

I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that statins are ineffective. The first landmark study was in the New England Journal of medicine I believe in 2004, which showed a 38% reduction in first myocardial infarctions when LDL > 160 was lowered with a statin. There have been dozens of good studies since. Atorvastatin lowers LDL by approx. 50% across the board, and greatly reduces the chance of a second heart attack at any LDL level. Sounds effective to me. The problem lies with citing studies from "nutrition"facts".org", which is more org than facts. I hardly "push" statins, in fact I have always given patients a chance on a low chol diet with some red rice yeast and flax seed oil first, but 95+% fail to reach an acceptable LDL target. Can statins have side effects--of course, but they are greatly exaggerated. Only 1 in 400,000 will have a statin induced rhabdomyolysis, 1 in 3500 will get a statin induce myopathy. About 5-7 % get some diffuse muscle aches, which can generally be managed with adequate hydration. Now balance that with the "side effects" of no statin therapy when warranted-----heart attacks, stroke, congestive heart failure, kidney failure and peripheral vascular disease. The efficacy of statin therapy (when indicated) is so well established that both medicare and private insurance quality assurance programs essentially demand their use, or a documented reason for not using them. It is actually true malpractice not to recommend statins when indicated, so I wouldn't be getting my information from "nutritionfacts.org"

[B767drvr]

I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that statins are ineffective. The first landmark study was in the New England Journal of medicine I believe in 2004, which showed a 38% reduction in first myocardial infarctions when LDL > 160 was lowered with a statin. There have been dozens of good studies since. Atorvastatin lowers LDL by approx. 50% across the board, and greatly reduces the chance of a second heart attack at any LDL level. Sounds effective to me. The problem lies with citing studies from "nutrition"facts".org", which is more org than facts. I hardly "push" statins, in fact I have always given patients a chance on a low chol diet with some red rice yeast and flax seed oil first, but 95+% fail to reach an acceptable LDL target. Can statins have side effects--of course, but they are greatly exaggerated. Only 1 in 400,000 will have a statin induced rhabdomyolysis, 1 in 3500 will get a statin induce myopathy. About 5-7 % get some diffuse muscle aches, which can generally be managed with adequate hydration. Now balance that with the "side effects" of no statin therapy when warranted-----heart attacks, stroke, congestive heart failure, kidney failure and peripheral vascular disease. The efficacy of statin therapy (when indicated) is so well established that both medicare and private insurance quality assurance programs essentially demand their use, or a documented reason for not using them. It is actually true malpractice not to recommend statins when indicated, so I wouldn't be getting my information from "nutritionfacts.org"

Doc, with all due respect, I surmise your education in nutrition was very little in medical school and unless you've taken a personal interest your knowledge has remained stagnant for the last half century. You sound like my father (also a retired MD) who has been trained to reach for the pharmaceutical cabinet to "manage" symptoms.

I'll leave it at we'll agree to disagree, but you remind me of the doctors who preferred smoking Camel cigarettes because they were "healthier".

Best wishes though...


BTW... NutritionFacts.org (Dr Greger and his staff) review all 21,000 nutritional studies published in English EVERY YEAR and simply dissect the SCIENCE... you know, the randomized double-blind control studies you are so fond of... your ad-hominem attack notwithstanding.

[golfing eagles]

Doc, with all due respect, I surmise your education in nutrition was very little in medical school and unless you've taken a personal interest your knowledge has remained stagnant for the last half century. You sound like my father (also a retired MD) who has been trained to reach for the pharmaceutical cabinet to "manage" symptoms.

I'll leave it at we'll agree to disagree, but you remind me of the doctors who preferred smoking Camel cigarettes because they were "healthier".

Best wishes though...


BTW... NutritionFacts.org (Dr Greger and his staff) review all 21,000 nutritional studies published in English EVERY YEAR and simply dissect the SCIENCE... you know, the randomized double-blind control studies you are so fond of... your ad-hominem attack notwithstanding.

I love it!

Keep the faith, brother:beer3:

[dewilson58]

What??

[golfing eagles]

What??

I found a true believer. No further point in stating the facts, so to each his own. People can have a friendly disagreement.

[zcaveman]

My tinnitus is the sound of a furnace running. I was told to live with it. I will ask my ENT on the next visit to see if she has any other advice.

Z

[graciegirl]

My tinnitus is the sound of a furnace running. I was told to live with it. I will ask my ENT on the next visit to see if she has any other advice.

Z



It isn't fun for sure, Z. Mine disappeared about six months ago after having it for years. No rhyme or reason, no new medication or change, just poof.


I would say it was my guardian angel, but I am pretty sure she drinks.

[looneycat]

Doc, with all due respect, I surmise your education in nutrition was very little in medical school and unless you've taken a personal interest your knowledge has remained stagnant for the last half century. You sound like my father (also a retired MD) who has been trained to reach for the pharmaceutical cabinet to "manage" symptoms.

I'll leave it at we'll agree to disagree, but you remind me of the doctors who preferred smoking Camel cigarettes because they were "healthier".

Best wishes though...


BTW... NutritionFacts.org (Dr Greger and his staff) review all 21,000 nutritional studies published in English EVERY YEAR and simply dissect the SCIENCE... you know, the randomized double-blind control studies you are so fond of... your ad-hominem attack notwithstanding.

they sound more to me like a group that publishes studies done by others without personally verifying them or showing that the results can be reproduced in anther study. Making assumptions about the breadth of another's education or studies is never valid.

[tomwed]

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