Cruz Not A Natural Citizen

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Donald Trump and John McCain have both brought up the fact that Rafael Cruz, Jr. was born in Canada and not on USA soil. Although Rafael has been up front about this, it may be a drawn out court case to determine if he is eligible to be President.

The fact that Rafael Cruz Sr fought along side Fidel Castro, a Communist, may be a bigger problem for the younger Rafael.

Cruz' campaign is getting legal advice on both issues but it looks like an uphill battle for the son of the insurgent.

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I'm sure that it won't really be a problem, unless the hypocrite liberals want to make it so. After all, Obama was elected and the only person that brought it up about him being Kenyan in the beginning was Hillary. But, the Republicans do need to thin the herd.

By the way, Trump didn't bring the issue up. It was the liberal media that made an issue of it and asked Trump what he thought about it.
They asked McCain about it too, and he merely said "it's worth looking into."

The media brings something up, by asking leading questions and then they try to make it look like an attack from the interviewee. I am sure that now that THEY have made an issue of it, it will become a big issue.

[Guest]

Both non issues. You need to read a bit longer than just the headlines. The media is trying to keep it in the news and make them issues. George Washington was an English soldier prior to becoming a revolutionary war one.

[Guest]

Donald Trump and John McCain have both brought up the fact that Rafael Cruz, Jr. was born in Canada and not on USA soil. Although Rafael has been up front about this, it may be a drawn out court case to determine if he is eligible to be President.

The fact that Rafael Cruz Sr fought along side Fidel Castro, a Communist, may be a bigger problem for the younger Rafael.

Cruz' campaign is getting legal advice on both issues but it looks like an uphill battle for the son of the insurgent.

Dear Guest:
First, could you cite the authority that verifies that Rafael Cruz Sr fought along side Fidel Castro? ...because that is a huge game changer in itself

Secondly I believe the constitutional question of Ted Cruz's citizenship is of paramount importance because it keeps coming up election after election

Third If SCOTUS had settle this question perhaps there would have been more scrutiny of Obama's citizenship.

Fourth Obama got away with by dodging the issue and by doing so perhaps is setting future dicta on this issue. ...but we need settle law

Fifth the writings as they are now only states that a candidate has to be born of parents....

Sixth, however Ted Cruz was born in Canada to one American born parent and a father born in Cuban so what country is his origin Canada, Cuba, America?

Seventh: He did not give up his Canadian citizenship until 2014 and I find that very troubling.

I am a Republican and an undecided voter as yet but clearly I would not vote for Ted Cruz under these conditions

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Normally, I would consider his being born in Canada an issue, but after Obama, not so much. I am not really concerned anyway, as Rubio is coming up in the polls and will probably get my vote. I have evaluated all the candidates and found that even though I am not totally enamored with him, Rubio appears to be the most viable choice. My opinion. Before everyone starts telling me all the negatives about him, I already know them. There is NO perfect candidate on either side, but he is currently my choice. And he is polled as the one that most easily beats Hillary.

Speaking of Hillary, she seems to be suffering/hiding some serious health issues. It looks like her past head injury is still causing her some problems. It has been reported that she is consistently dizzy, pale and clammy looking (worst than usual) and has to be supported behind the scenes to keep her from collapsing. Since my information source is not from a liberal media source, i won't attempt to link my sources. I really don't care whether or not some liberal discounts my comment. This is conversation, not testimony.

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Dear Guest:
First, could you cite the authority that verifies that Rafael Cruz Sr fought along side Fidel Castro? ...because that is a huge game changer in itself

Secondly I believe the constitutional question of Ted Cruz's citizenship is of paramount importance because it keeps coming up election after election

Third If SCOTUS had settle this question perhaps there would have been more scrutiny of Obama's citizenship.

Fourth Obama got away with by dodging the issue and by doing so perhaps is setting future dicta on this issue. ...but we need settle law

Fifth the writings as they are now only states that a candidate has to be born of parents....

Sixth, however Ted Cruz was born in Canada to one American born parent and a father born in Cuban so what country is his origin Canada, Cuba, America?

Seventh: He did not give up his Canadian citizenship until 2014 and I find that very troubling.

I am a Republican and an undecided voter as yet but clearly I would not vote for Ted Cruz under these conditions

Personal Best Regards:

I do not doubt Cruz's patriotism at all. My reason for not voting for him has nothing to do with his being Canadian. It has to do with his getting along with his fellow Republicans. He is a true conservative, but he does not seem to have the statesmanship needed in my opinion. WE have the worst example of any president currently, that has no statesmanship whatsoever and we desperately need someone that can work to get congress back to working as a team again. The current socialists in the gov are dividing our country and need to neutralized. We need someone in there that might be able to do that diplomatically. Make fools like Reid and Pelosi go away or be silenced. They are damaging America as much as Obama. We had less racial tension and party divisiveness prior to this administration. We had American pride and less people inclined to stick their hands out for gov assistance. It has nothing to do with necessity, but more like addiction to freebies.

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I'm sure that it won't really be a problem, unless the hypocrite liberals want to make it so. After all, Obama was elected and the only person that brought it up about him being Kenyan in the beginning was Hillary. But, the Republicans do need to thin the herd.

By the way, Trump didn't bring the issue up. It was the liberal media that made an issue of it and asked Trump what he thought about it.
They asked McCain about it too, and he merely said "it's worth looking into."

The media brings something up, by asking leading questions and then they try to make it look like an attack from the interviewee. I am sure that now that THEY have made an issue of it, it will become a big issue.

This is priceless....Its the liberals and the liberal media. LOL!!!!

Here is Ted Cruz's father saying that Obama should be sent back to Kenya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w3yhHEtmvk

Now a poll that says only 29% of Republicans think Obama was born in the USA and yet 40% believe Ted Cruz was.

Shock Poll: Only 29% Of Republicans Said Obama Was Born In USA; 40% Said Cruz Born In USA - Birther Report (http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/08/shock-poll-only-29-of-republicans-said.html)

The liberals are NOT doing this its Trump just doing his thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-cruzs-canadian-birth-could-be-very-precarious-for-gop/2016/01/05/5ce69764-b3f8-11e5-9388-466021d971de_story.html

BTW there are reports that Cruz's mother had become a Canadian citizen before Ted's birth if that is true.....Game Over!!!

Ted Cruz Should Prove His Mother Was A U.S. Citizen When He Was Born | If You Only News (http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/ted-cruz-should-prove-his-mother-was-a-us-citizen-when-he-was-born/)

Blame it on the liberals........:22yikes:

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Dear Guest:
First, could you cite the authority that verifies that Rafael Cruz Sr fought along side Fidel Castro? ...because that is a huge game changer in itself

Secondly I believe the constitutional question of Ted Cruz's citizenship is of paramount importance because it keeps coming up election after election

Third If SCOTUS had settle this question perhaps there would have been more scrutiny of Obama's citizenship.

Fourth Obama got away with by dodging the issue and by doing so perhaps is setting future dicta on this issue. ...but we need settle law

Fifth the writings as they are now only states that a candidate has to be born of parents....

Sixth, however Ted Cruz was born in Canada to one American born parent and a father born in Cuban so what country is his origin Canada, Cuba, America?

Seventh: He did not give up his Canadian citizenship until 2014 and I find that very troubling.

I am a Republican and an undecided voter as yet but clearly I would not vote for Ted Cruz under these conditions

Personal Best Regards:

Hear you go from Ted Cruz's book

Ted Cruz's father an early Fidel Castro revolutionary, memoir claims | US news | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/27/ted-cruz-memoir-father-cuba-revolutionary-fidel-castro)

But now that a spotlight has been turned on

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/politics/cuban-peers-dispute-ted-cruzs-fathers-story-of-fighting-for-castro.html?_r=0

[Guest]

Normally, I would consider his being born in Canada an issue, but after Obama, not so much. I am not really concerned anyway, as Rubio is coming up in the polls and will probably get my vote. I have evaluated all the candidates and found that even though I am not totally enamored with him, Rubio appears to be the most viable choice. My opinion. Before everyone starts telling me all the negatives about him, I already know them. There is NO perfect candidate on either side, but he is currently my choice. And he is polled as the one that most easily beats Hillary.

Speaking of Hillary, she seems to be suffering/hiding some serious health issues. It looks like her past head injury is still causing her some problems. It has been reported that she is consistently dizzy, pale and clammy looking (worst than usual) and has to be supported behind the scenes to keep her from collapsing. Since my information source is not from a liberal media source, i won't attempt to link my sources. I really don't care whether or not some liberal discounts my comment. This is conversation, not testimony.

It's hard to keep straight face lying all the time. Adding cigar poking bill to the campaign will only intensify her problems. Heck he's probably got box handy on the campaign trail.

As for Cruz his background more credible than obamas. Obamas affiliations with rev. Wright and Bill the unibommer Ayers pretty much sows up his hatred for America. Don't tell me wrights hateful rhetoric for years didn't plant seed in the Obamas pea brains IMO

[Guest]

Hear you go from Ted Cruz's book

Ted Cruz's father an early Fidel Castro revolutionary, memoir claims | US news | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/27/ted-cruz-memoir-father-cuba-revolutionary-fidel-castro)

But now that a spotlight has been turned on

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/politics/cuban-peers-dispute-ted-cruzs-fathers-story-of-fighting-for-castro.html?_r=0


And wasn't Obama father muslin and born in Africa? So what's your point? I bet the liberal democrat rage didn't push that storyline?

[Guest]

I don't have a problem with Cruz running for president. I do have a problem with the fact that on the Mexican border they are anchor babies and on the Canadian border, they are still US citizens. Both borders should have the same law.

[Guest]

So, Rafael Cruz Jr. is a Canadian anchor baby. :22yikes:

[Guest]

So, Rafael Cruz Jr. is a Canadian anchor baby. :22yikes:

Who cares?

[Guest]

Illegals jumping the Rio Grande into the U.S.A. are not citizens either, but you liberals want to give them drivers license, social security, health care, and allow them to vote. So, what's the big deal?

[Guest]

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

According to this, Cruz is considered a Natural born citizen.

[Guest]

I'm sure that it won't really be a problem, unless the hypocrite liberals want to make it so. After all, Obama was elected and the only person that brought it up about him being Kenyan in the beginning was Hillary. But, the Republicans do need to thin the herd.

By the way, Trump didn't bring the issue up. It was the liberal media that made an issue of it and asked Trump what he thought about it.
They asked McCain about it too, and he merely said "it's worth looking into."

The media brings something up, by asking leading questions and then they try to make it look like an attack from the interviewee. I am sure that now that THEY have made an issue of it, it will become a big issue.

This is just SICK and revisionist history. Do I need post the link to Ted Cruz's father saying "Send Obama back to Kenya".

A majority of the Republican party believed Obama in not a American because he was born in Kenya. Even today 30% of the Republican party believes he wasn't born in the US and therefore NOT American. Don't you remember the poor little old lady who told McCain that Obama was a Muslim at least McCain had the character to tell her the truth.

Now that the table is turned suddenly is ok to be born outside the United States and be President. And its ok that his father was a communist and fought with Castro. Can you image what would be going on if a Democrat was running this that background.

Even today 29% of Republican believe Obama was born in the US and 40% of these same people say Cruz was born in the USA when he was born in CANADA.

Shock Poll: Only 29% Of Republicans Said Obama Was Born In USA; 40% Said Cruz Born In USA - Birther Report (http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/08/shock-poll-only-29-of-republicans-said.html)

The entire Republican party are just hypocrites!!! Own it......

[Guest]

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

According to this, Cruz is considered a Natural born citizen.

I find it funny that this issue has only come up in regard to Republican candidates, Goldwater, McCain and now Cruz. But the difference is both Goldwater and McCain were born in a US territory. Goldwater before AZ became a state and McCain on a base in Panama. However Ted Cruz was born in a foreign country that being Canada.

The founding fathers wanted to ensure someone would not be born outside the US and become the President so they said Natural Born Citizen.

Sounds like Ted Cruz's birth is what the Founding Fathers were worried about.

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This is just SICK and revisionist history. Do I need post the link to Ted Cruz's father saying "Send Obama back to Kenya".

A majority of the Republican party believed Obama in not a American because he was born in Kenya. Even today 30% of the Republican party believes he wasn't born in the US and therefore NOT American. Don't you remember the poor little old lady who told McCain that Obama was a Muslim at least McCain had the character to tell her the truth.

Now that the table is turned suddenly is ok to be born outside the United States and be President. And its ok that his father was a communist and fought with Castro. Can you image what would be going on if a Democrat was running this that background.

Even today 29% of Republican believe Obama was born in the US and 40% of these same people say Cruz was born in the USA when he was born in CANADA.

Shock Poll: Only 29% Of Republicans Said Obama Was Born In USA; 40% Said Cruz Born In USA - Birther Report (http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/08/shock-poll-only-29-of-republicans-said.html)

The entire Republican party are just hypocrites!!! Own it......

You really need to work on your anger issues. If you are responding to my comment above, why do you assume that I am one of the "birthers?" Isn't it kind of a moot point to bring up the inept Obama in this debate? After all, you got what you wanted, so surely you aren't crying about it, are you? I am not a birther, but I did question Oblama's qualifications to lead. I still am, even though the damage is already done. Hopefully, the GOP can correct the damage. Thank goodness America is pretty durable and can survive Obummer's attempt to destroy it......so far. Obama did have a lot of secrets in his past, some of which are just now being revealed. I am still not sure of his parentage. His claimed father was married to another woman, so he turns out to be a *******...not that this matters. There is some confusion over his secret travels to the middle East, earlier in life, his close association with neferious persons, such as the domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers and Rev Wright, and the possibility that Frank M. Davis (member of Communist USA) is his real father. Then there is the problem of his persistent abuse of drugs throughout his childhood, through college. Just a few problems that come up when looking into his past. Stuff that normally would be vetted during his campaign that was off limits on him because of his ethnicity, I guess. All this stuff is moot now, and is nothing more than curiosity.

Cruz should be vetted, as well as the rest of the candidates. We should know everything about them, unlike the previous two Pres. elections.

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You really need to work on your anger issues. If you are responding to my comment above, why do you assume that I am one of the "birthers?" Isn't it kind of a moot point to bring up the inept Obama in this debate? After all, you got what you wanted, so surely you aren't crying about it, are you? I am not a birther, but I did question Oblama's qualifications to lead. I still am, even though the damage is already done. Hopefully, the GOP can correct the damage. Thank goodness America is pretty durable and can survive Obummer's attempt to destroy it......so far. Obama did have a lot of secrets in his past, some of which are just now being revealed. I am still not sure of his parentage. His claimed father was married to another woman, so he turns out to be a *******...not that this matters. There is some confusion over his secret travels to the middle East, earlier in life, his close association with neferious persons, such as the domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers and Rev Wright, and the possibility that Frank M. Davis (member of Communist USA) is his real father. Then there is the problem of his persistent abuse of drugs throughout his childhood, through college. Just a few problems that come up when looking into his past. Stuff that normally would be vetted during his campaign that was off limits on him because of his ethnicity, I guess. All this stuff is moot now, and is nothing more than curiosity.

Cruz should be vetted, as well as the rest of the candidates. We should know everything about them, unlike the previous two Pres. elections.

I am just sitting her quietly typing the truth, there was NO nastiness in that post just that facts.

No anger issues here this fine morning.

But your diatribe in about Obama highlights some anger issues! You might want to look into that. Have a great day.

[Guest]

I am just sitting her quietly typing the truth, there was NO nastiness in that post just that facts.

No anger issues here this fine morning.

But your diatribe in about Obama highlights some anger issues! You might want to look into that. Have a great day.

In that case, you might want to get your "facts" straight. You brought up the Obama birther issue, not me. So, your attempt to divert is pathetic.

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

[Guest]

In that case, you might want to get your "facts" straight. You brought up the Obama birther issue, not me. So, your attempt to divert is pathetic.

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

As you should by now know this issue has never be reviewed by the courts and in no way settled law. To clear this up it should be.

I also find it funny you claim Obama had an alternate father who just happens to be a communist...but to what end? You think it is bad to have a communist as a father? If so you won't be voting for Cruz cause his actual father fought with Castro....while Obama communist was just a friend of his grandfather.

Nice try but you are unarmed!!!!!

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As you should by now know this issue has never be reviewed by the courts and in no way settled law. To clear this up it should be.

I also find it funny you claim Obama had an alternate father who just happens to be a communist...but to what end? You think it is bad to have a communist as a father? If so you won't be voting for Cruz cause his actual father fought with Castro....while Obama communist was just a friend of his grandfather.

Nice try but you are unarmed!!!!!

How convenient to have varying degrees of communism to suit one's agenda.

A communinist is a communist.

Nice try!

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As you should by now know this issue has never be reviewed by the courts and in no way settled law. To clear this up it should be.

I also find it funny you claim Obama had an alternate father who just happens to be a communist...but to what end? You think it is bad to have a communist as a father? If so you won't be voting for Cruz cause his actual father fought with Castro....while Obama communist was just a friend of his grandfather.

Nice try but you are unarmed!!!!!

You make much todo about nothing. You do have a comprehension problem, don't you? The comment was pro-vetting of the candidate. You have a need to argue so much that you read it in a skewed manner in order to spew acid on nothing. I believe the point was that NO ONE should be exempt from vetting. But, rant away good buddy. It is interesting to see you slashing at air with your fantasy sword. Entertainment at least....:crap2:

"Unarmed?" Please let me know why anyone would need arm themselves to obliterate you...ha,ha....:mademyday:

[Guest]

As you should by now know this issue has never be reviewed by the courts and in no way settled law. To clear this up it should be.

I also find it funny you claim Obama had an alternate father who just happens to be a communist...but to what end? You think it is bad to have a communist as a father? If so you won't be voting for Cruz cause his actual father fought with Castro....while Obama communist was just a friend of his grandfather.

Nice try but you are unarmed!!!!!

Just a friend? That's rather delightful! Have you ever compared a young photo of Frank Marshall Davis with Obama? Now, compare Obama with his supposed father. Not that it matters, but it is interesting. And it is also funny that Frank Davis was having an affair with Obama's mother since she was 14 years old. I'm sure it is all speculation, but it is interesting. After all, Obama has never been forthcoming with any of his past, other than a book that someone else wrote for him....with his input of course. But, I digress. After all one's communist is another's mentor, right?

[Guest]

President Obama was born in Hawaii, which last time I looked, is part of the U.S. Why is that still a problem for you folks? Duh.

[Guest]

President Obama was born in Hawaii, which last time I looked, is part of the U.S. Why is that still a problem for you folks? Duh.

Obviously, you do not understand the Tea Bag Party's "Theory of Backward Time Travel".

It is similar to String Theory but they use spit and baling wire. :thumbup:

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President Obama was born in Hawaii, which last time I looked, is part of the U.S. Why is that still a problem for you folks? Duh.

Was there a comment on here regarding him NOT being born in America? Other than yours, I mean? Wonder who has the problem.

Pretty neat that you liberals are attempting to unwittingly defend Cruz. I have been saying that vetting is a good thing, and you all are still trying to defend Oblama, and inadvertently defending Cruz. :BigApplause:

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How convenient to have varying degrees of communism to suit one's agenda.

A communinist is a communist.

Nice try!

I think a Communist is a Communist as well never said I didn't.

Let me get this straight.....

Obama was born in Hawaii, but the Republican's think he was born in Kenya which makes him not an American to, at one time a majority of Republicans. His father, Obama Sr. wasn't a communist but now there is a theory that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's real father and he is a Communist who worked for the FBI.

To compare things

If Obama is Obama Sr's son and born in Kenya then he is a natural born citizen but wasn't raised by a Communist.

If Obama is Davis's son and born in Hawaii then he was born on American soil and therefore a natural born citizen but still not raised by a Communist.

Now Ted was actually born in Canada and raised by a Communist who fought with Castro in Cuba.

Have I gotten this right....

So you aren't going to vote for someone who was raised by a Communist cause that's bad. I know I'm not going to vote for someone raised by a Communist.

I couldn't make this up if I tired....but I googled it! You people have more wacky theories that Carter has little liver pills.

Just have to laugh!

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Just a friend? That's rather delightful! Have you ever compared a young photo of Frank Marshall Davis with Obama? Now, compare Obama with his supposed father. Not that it matters, but it is interesting. And it is also funny that Frank Davis was having an affair with Obama's mother since she was 14 years old. I'm sure it is all speculation, but it is interesting. After all, Obama has never been forthcoming with any of his past, other than a book that someone else wrote for him....with his input of course. But, I digress. After all one's communist is another's mentor, right?

Got a DNA test?

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I think a Communist is a Communist as well never said I didn't.

Let me get this straight.....

Obama was born in Hawaii, but the Republican's think he was born in Kenya which makes him not an American to, at one time a majority of Republicans. His father, Obama Sr. wasn't a communist but now there is a theory that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's real father and he is a Communist who worked for the FBI.

To compare things

If Obama is Obama Sr's son and born in Kenya then he is a natural born citizen but wasn't raised by a Communist.

If Obama is Davis's son and born in Hawaii then he was born on American soil and therefore a natural born citizen but still not raised by a Communist.

Now Ted was actually born in Canada and raised by a Communist who fought with Castro in Cuba.

Have I gotten this right....

So you aren't going to vote for someone who was raised by a Communist cause that's bad. I know I'm not going to vote for someone raised by a Communist.

I couldn't make this up if I tired....but I googled it! You people have more wacky theories that Carter has little liver pills.

Just have to laugh!

Did I miss where someone on here said Obie was born in Africa? I mean, other than you? Do you really think that by accusing the posters on here of saying something that they didn't say is going to put them on the defensive. Not even a good try. Better retire from this while you can still salvage some of your humility. You seem to be very confused. I never said Obummer was NOT born in America. I consider it to be a moot point considering the point that his second term has almost expired. I said that every candidate should be thoroughly vetted, unlike Obama. When Obama was elected, no one knew anything about him. He didn't even have a resume'. I am very much for a thorough background investigation of all candidates for the most important position in the world. And so far, as much as we know about Hillary, she wouldn't even be granted a security clearance with the civil service, so I would not waste your time vetting her. I wouldn't even allow her on the ballot.

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Got a DNA test?

Do you? Other than word of mouth, Obie's mother, is there any proof who his father is? Does it matter? I think it is hilarious that he may not even know himself, and he may have perpetrated the greatest joke in history. But, I don't care now. I was just using him as an example of the need for vetting Cruz and all the other candidates. Make them all take polygraph tests and drug test too. I had to have periodic polygraph and drug tests when I had a security clearance. The top position in the world should require the best security, right?
But, I realize that liberals don't care about national security, and think it's a joke.

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Did I miss where someone on here said Obie was born in Africa? I mean, other than you? Do you really think that by accusing the posters on here of saying something that they didn't say is going to put them on the defensive. Not even a good try. Better retire from this while you can still salvage some of your humility. You seem to be very confused. I never said Obummer was NOT born in America. I consider it to be a moot point considering the point that his second term has almost expired. I said that every candidate should be thoroughly vetted, unlike Obama. When Obama was elected, no one knew anything about him. He didn't even have a resume'. I am very much for a thorough background investigation of all candidates for the most important position in the world. And so far, as much as we know about Hillary, she wouldn't even be granted a security clearance with the civil service, so I would not waste your time vetting her. I wouldn't even allow her on the ballot.


I find it funny you seem to have amnesia about the birther movement of which Mr. Trump was a part. Someone on this site is posting about Obama actually being fathered by Frank Davis.....

Not sure what you mean about Obama not being vetted....

I believe that the issue of Ted Cruz's birthplace and the meaning of natural born citizen should be looked at by the courts.

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I find it funny you seem to have amnesia about the birther movement of which Mr. Trump was a part. Someone on this site is posting about Obama actually being fathered by Frank Davis.....

Not sure what you mean about Obama not being vetted....

I believe that the issue of Ted Cruz's birthplace and the meaning of natural born citizen should be looked at by the courts.

Trump didn't speak for all Republicans. Funny how you backpedal, do the moonwalk when I asked you where in this thread did someone suggest that Obama was not born in America. But, no use beating a dead horse.

It is hypocritical that liberals suddenly want vetting when they didn't care to know ANYTHING about Obama. Makes your comment kind of disingenuous to say the least. But, I do believe EVERYONE should be vetted, just as if they were applying for a job requiring a security clearance After all, the job allows them the ultimate clearance and that is important if they are going to protect our national security.

And national security is the only real mandate of the Constitution, and we already know how Hillary feels about it. She could care less, and does not take it seriously.

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Trump didn't speak for all Republicans. Funny how you backpedal, do the moonwalk when I asked you where in this thread did someone suggest that Obama was not born in America. But, no use beating a dead horse.

It is hypocritical that liberals suddenly want vetting when they didn't care to know ANYTHING about Obama. Makes your comment kind of disingenuous to say the least. But, I do believe EVERYONE should be vetted, just as if they were applying for a job requiring a security clearance After all, the job allows them the ultimate clearance and that is important if they are going to protect our national security.

And national security is the only real mandate of the Constitution, and we already know how Hillary feels about it. She could care less, and does not take it seriously.

You throw the liberal card but know nothing about me. Not everyone to the left of you is a liberal. I didn't call you a right wing nut did I?

Just cause something in this thread didn't say Obama wasn't born in the USA its not all about this thread. 30% of Repub.'s still think he isn't an American cause he was born in Kenya.

I think Trump is speaking for a large number of Republicans now and was then as a polls showed during that time. Can't change history.

So let's settle this in the courts.

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Trump didn't speak for all Republicans. Funny how you backpedal, do the moonwalk when I asked you where in this thread did someone suggest that Obama was not born in America. But, no use beating a dead horse.

It is hypocritical that liberals suddenly want vetting when they didn't care to know ANYTHING about Obama. Makes your comment kind of disingenuous to say the least. But, I do believe EVERYONE should be vetted, just as if they were applying for a job requiring a security clearance After all, the job allows them the ultimate clearance and that is important if they are going to protect our national security.

And national security is the only real mandate of the Constitution, and we already know how Hillary feels about it. She could care less, and does not take it seriously.

It was reported that Hillary Clinton's camp was the one that questioned Obama's birthplace. Obama produced his Hawaiian birth certificate prior to the 2008 election. Prior to election, it was known that Obama was a natural born citizen. So, where did you get the idea that liberals didn't care to know anything about Obama prior to the 2008 election?

Hillary Clinton did. If your statement is correct, Hillary isn't a liberal.

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You throw the liberal card but know nothing about me. Not everyone to the left of you is a liberal. I didn't call you a right wing nut did I?

Just cause something in this thread didn't say Obama wasn't born in the USA its not all about this thread. 30% of Repub.'s still think he isn't an American cause he was born in Kenya.

I think Trump is speaking for a large number of Republicans now and was then as a polls showed during that time. Can't change history.

So let's settle this in the courts.


I think that you are wrong. Trump thinks that he can history. After all according to him, he is never wrong. He is just being Mr. Goodguy in offering Cruz advice on how to proceed with the natural born citizen question. Trump doesn't have anything to gain by this. He wouldn't even think of making this an issue. He only brought it up to help Cruz. Why would anyone think any differently.

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I do not doubt Cruz's patriotism at all. My reason for not voting for him has nothing to do with his being Canadian. It has to do with his getting along with his fellow Republicans. He is a true conservative, but he does not seem to have the statesmanship needed in my opinion. WE have the worst example of any president currently, that has no statesmanship whatsoever and we desperately need someone that can work to get congress back to working as a team again. The current socialists in the gov are dividing our country and need to neutralized. We need someone in there that might be able to do that diplomatically. Make fools like Reid and Pelosi go away or be silenced. They are damaging America as much as Obama. We had less racial tension and party divisiveness prior to this administration. We had American pride and less people inclined to stick their hands out for gov assistance. It has nothing to do with necessity, but more like addiction to freebies.

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We agree. First, again to the citizenship issue my concern is a) it keeps cropping up b) Cruz only gave up his Canadian citizenship in 2014 c) this issue will dog him from here on out. So Trump is wise to suggest to Cruz that he seek a Declaratory Judgment. The Supreme Court won't take up the issue but they ought to because it needs to be looked at again. In my world a presidential candidate should have been born in America to parents who were born in America but that's me and I clearly one could argue that it is not necessary

As to Cruz himself he is too divisive, he appears to me to be too slick and hence not sincere which leads to unpredictability. So what this guy says and what he does compared to other candidates is a real issue for me and I have already eliminated him.

It is indeed troubling that this country cannot muster a better crop of candidates from either party. Its indeed troubling that past events have created a Trump, Cruz mania Too many voters are not being rationale...cooler heads prevail which leaves Rubio, Christie, Bush, Carson because they are more cerebral . I am leaning toward Rubio?

Personal Best Regards

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Citizenship is suddenly an issue again. Liberals are concerned, ha,ha. They do not care about illegals having drivers licenses, health care, good employment, public schooling, and they especially like the idea of the illegal vote. But, they are concerned about Cruz's citizenship. Well, I didn't care about Obama's citizenship and I don't care about Cruz. I have no intention of voting for him, so it's a moot point. I agree with the post above that Cruz is too slick and appears not to be sincere. To me, he appears to be fake. Maybe that is just the way he always has been. I don't know, but there are too many good candidates to chose from to have to settle on one that I don't care for.
But, no matter what his faults, Cruz is a hundred times better than taking a chance on Hillary. If Hillary abandons her people overseas, then would anyone want her commanding the military?
Since the Obama/Hillary 8 years, we have more countries against us, less working with us. We have more fighting, we have more racism, we have more poverty, we have higher health care costs, and less world wide respect. Did I mention that we gave away the farm with our so-called Iran deal? This has been a pathetic and weak two pres. terms for America. Time for some positive change.

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The WH and congress and supreme court need a good old fashioned political enema!

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The WH and congress and supreme court need a good old fashioned political enema!

What they really need is a contract with Terminix to get rid of unwanted insects and rodents. :highfive:

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Normally, I would consider his being born in Canada an issue, but after Obama, not so much. I am not really concerned anyway, as Rubio is coming up in the polls and will probably get my vote. I have evaluated all the candidates and found that even though I am not totally enamored with him, Rubio appears to be the most viable choice. My opinion. Before everyone starts telling me all the negatives about him, I already know them. There is NO perfect candidate on either side, but he is currently my choice. And he is polled as the one that most easily beats Hillary.

Speaking of Hillary, she seems to be suffering/hiding some serious health issues. It looks like her past head injury is still causing her some problems. It has been reported that she is consistently dizzy, pale and clammy looking (worst than usual) and has to be supported behind the scenes to keep her from collapsing. Since my information source is not from a liberal media source, i won't attempt to link my sources. I really don't care whether or not some liberal discounts my comment. This is conversation, not testimony.

So because it's not testimony you can lie to make a point? It seems your ashamed of your "source."

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So because it's not testimony you can lie to make a point? It seems your ashamed of your "source."

"Lie?" What lie? No, a lie is like Harry Reid telling the world that Romney did not pay his taxes. That was a lie, a blatant lie. No, my information has not been verified by more than one source. The reason I did not consider the source to be a credible source is because that source was from Hillary's staff. I don't give much credibility to any liberal. How can you trust a party that lies like Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Reid? Please don't ask me to make a list of lies. It would entail so much typing, just listing Obama's or Hillary's lies.

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Do you? Other than word of mouth, Obie's mother, is there any proof who his father is? Does it matter? I think it is hilarious that he may not even know himself, and he may have perpetrated the greatest joke in history. But, I don't care now. I was just using him as an example of the need for vetting Cruz and all the other candidates. Make them all take polygraph tests and drug test too. I had to have periodic polygraph and drug tests when I had a security clearance. The top position in the world should require the best security, right?
But, I realize that liberals don't care about national security, and think it's a joke.

Why do you always throw the liberal card I am hardly a liberal, I'll even bet I am to the right of you on immigration.

Some crackpot in 2008 makes up a theory that Obama's real father is Davis....you might believe in crackpot theories but I don't.

I do know at least one liberal who believes in National Security and he is a Captain in the US Army! I also believe in National Security however I don't believe in starting wars with a country who did NOT attack us.

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Why do you always throw the liberal card I am hardly a liberal, I'll even bet I am to the right of you on immigration.

Some crackpot in 2008 makes up a theory that Obama's real father is Davis....you might believe in crackpot theories but I don't.

I do know at least one liberal who believes in National Security and he is a Captain in the US Army! I also believe in National Security however I don't believe in starting wars with a country who did NOT attack us.

The way I see it, is if it quacks like a duck, walks like a dug.....

Why deny it if it suits you? You are allowed your opinion on here. Obama hasn't taken your opinion away yet. Of course, they are trying to pass a law against hate speech, so no telling how they will define that. If there is nothing wrong with being a liberal, then embrace it. Don't hide it. Come out of the closet with Hillary and Sanders and their embracing of socialism.

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"Lie?" What lie? No, a lie is like Harry Reid telling the world that Romney did not pay his taxes. That was a lie, a blatant lie. No, my information has not been verified by more than one source. The reason I did not consider the source to be a credible source is because that source was from Hillary's staff. I don't give much credibility to any liberal. How can you trust a party that lies like Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Reid? Please don't ask me to make a list of lies. It would entail so much typing, just listing Obama's or Hillary's lies.

Did you watch the debate, they were all accusing the other of lying, boy did Rubio take it to Rafael.

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The way I see it, is if it quacks like a duck, walks like a dug.....

Why deny it if it suits you? You are allowed your opinion on here. Obama hasn't taken your opinion away yet. Of course, they are trying to pass a law against hate speech, so no telling how they will define that. If there is nothing wrong with being a liberal, then embrace it. Don't hide it. Come out of the closet with Hillary and Sanders and their embracing of socialism.

You might want to check your spelling.... Its a bit obtuse the hate speech thing not sure what you mean but perhaps you are referencing micro aggression which, to date, only at college's and universities. I have posted my opposition to this as I think now the underclasses are equal they have come with this BS.

I embrace socialism mainly because, I am on Medicare and I take a Social Security check. We both know those are socialist programs. So if you do the same you will embrace your socialist side as will. Own it!

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The way I see it, is if it quacks like a duck, walks like a dug.....

Why deny it if it suits you? You are allowed your opinion on here. Obama hasn't taken your opinion away yet. Of course, they are trying to pass a law against hate speech, so no telling how they will define that. If there is nothing wrong with being a liberal, then embrace it. Don't hide it. Come out of the closet with Hillary and Sanders and their embracing of socialism.

Lie as much as you want and we are sure that is how you raised your children and are passing it on to your grandkids.

You passed your hatred of ethnic and diverse groups on to your kids and grandkids, too, we are sure. Perpetuate the divides in the country instead of being a good American. Be ashamed of yourself.

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Lie as much as you want and we are sure that is how you raised your children and are passing it on to your grandkids.

You passed your hatred of ethnic and diverse groups on to your kids and grandkids, too, we are sure. Perpetuate the divides in the country instead of being a good American. Be ashamed of yourself.

Now this is funny.......if you only knew. I have no kids nor grand kids

True I don't believe the micro aggression thing now you throw the racist card.

I have nothing to be ashamed of.....back at ya!

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See what you all think about micro aggressions...

http://www.ucop.edu/academic-personnel-programs/_files/seminars/Tool_Recognizing_Microaggressions.pdf

Laughable........

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Now this is funny.......if you only knew. I have no kids nor grandkids.



Good to know.

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You might want to check your spelling.... Its a bit obtuse the hate speech thing not sure what you mean but perhaps you are referencing micro aggression which, to date, only at college's and universities. I have posted my opposition to this as I think now the underclasses are equal they have come with this BS.

I embrace socialism mainly because, I am on Medicare and I take a Social Security check. We both know those are socialist programs. So if you do the same you will embrace your socialist side as will. Own it!

That's what I enjoy about liberals, ignorance of current events. Surely you are joking about not knowing that congress was trying to pass a hate speech bill. Not that it would ever get passed, but stuff like that just proves that liberals are a joke, even to themselves. They really take stuff like that seriously.

Nope, I don't use Medicare. I only have Medicare A because I pay for the full service Blue Cross/BS and they pay the whole shebang. Medicare is a scam anyway. You pay all your working life, maybe 35-45 years and then when you reach 65 you get hospitalization only, unless you wish to pay another $105 month or more for Medicare B.
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme where the gov is Bernie, using your money frivolously. I did better with my investments, using less money. Too bad the gov is such bad business managers. Well, maybe Trump will change that.

So nice to see you embrace socialism though. At least you are a liberal that admits it. I respect that. Just like Bernie Sanders. Only Bernie is a closet communist, not just a socialist.

Don't worry about the spelling, unless it makes you feel good to one-up me for some egotistical reason. Sometimes the brain works faster than the typing. I don't bother to go back and edit my comments. I'm retired and not concerned about PC. or how my PC operates either. I can always build another one if this one goes under. Never mind, that was just a play on terms, I guess.

Don't be ashamed of being a socialist. I am not ashamed of being called a Republican or conservative. And anyone thinking that calling us Tea Party members is a slur, just doesn't understand that it's not a slure but a compliment. It's the same as being called a Patirot. Something that liberals never get accused of being. :D

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Did you watch the debate, they were all accusing the other of lying, boy did Rubio take it to Rafael.

Yep, that's true. I have to respect their honesty. Unlike the Socialist debate where Hillary was being coronated and they were all trying to out-socialist each other. Never thought I would see the day when socialism would be encouraged in America and even televised. But, it takes all kinds of weirdos.

Yep, they accused each other of all kinds of things. Made it a good debate, unlike the snoozer of the lefties. And the interesting part was that they all talked about national security and patriotism, unlike the lefties trying to promise free college for votes, gun control instead of fighting terrorists. Promising to negotiate with terrorists and enemy countries so that they wouldn't attack us. And praising Obama's leading from behind. I am surprised that Hillary would want to take a rear seat to anyone. :D

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That's what I enjoy about liberals, ignorance of current events. Surely you are joking about not knowing that congress was trying to pass a hate speech bill. Not that it would ever get passed, but stuff like that just proves that liberals are a joke, even to themselves. They really take stuff like that seriously.

Nope, I don't use Medicare. I only have Medicare A because I pay for the full service Blue Cross/BS and they pay the whole shebang. Medicare is a scam anyway. You pay all your working life, maybe 35-45 years and then when you reach 65 you get hospitalization only, unless you wish to pay another $105 month or more for Medicare B.
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme where the gov is Bernie, using your money frivolously. I did better with my investments, using less money. Too bad the gov is such bad business managers. Well, maybe Trump will change that.

So nice to see you embrace socialism though. At least you are a liberal that admits it. I respect that. Just like Bernie Sanders. Only Bernie is a closet communist, not just a socialist.

Don't worry about the spelling, unless it makes you feel good to one-up me for some egotistical reason. Sometimes the brain works faster than the typing. I don't bother to go back and edit my comments. I'm retired and not concerned about PC. or how my PC operates either. I can always build another one if this one goes under. Never mind, that was just a play on terms, I guess.

Don't be ashamed of being a socialist. I am not ashamed of being called a Republican or conservative. And anyone thinking that calling us Tea Party members is a slur, just doesn't understand that it's not a slure but a compliment. It's the same as being called a Patirot. Something that liberals never get accused of being. :D

You can refuse medicare, why don't you? You are a fake! You should not use something that is a socialist program. Patriot, have you looked up the definition? You do not meet it.

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Patriot, no. Moron, yes.

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You can refuse medicare, why don't you? You are a fake! You should not use something that is a socialist program. Patriot, have you looked up the definition? You do not meet it.

Would you like to compare patriot traits? I'll bet mine over yours any day. My service for my country speaks for itself, and I am willing to bet that all you are is mouth without merit. I'm sure that I exceed any definition of patriot you can find on the Internet....if you weren't so lazy. But, I also realize that you are just a baiting troll, and I shouldn't even be responding to you. Most idiots like you will leave disappointed if no one gives them the attention they crave.

"A fake?" I believe we know who the fake is little boy. Anyone that reads your little comments on here, knows that you are a little kid taunting the adults to get the attention your momma won't give to you.

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You can refuse medicare, why don't you? You are a fake! You should not use something that is a socialist program. Patriot, have you looked up the definition? You do not meet it.

I paid for medicare and don't use it. Don't need it. You'll understand IF/when you start working for a living. The gov forced me to pay for it, so that the unmotivated like you would have the medical/mental assistance that you need. It is obvious that you are either too young to understand or mentally retarded. Or, maybe both.

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Someday some on this forum will understand that when you pay into or for something and then take back from what was paid in...that is not a social program.

The democrats have however bastardized both social security and medicare by allowing those who have not contributed one single dime to collect from the same pool of benefits. That would not be socialism....it is just plain stupidity while protecting and or buying a block of votes.

Maybe those who call them social programs are recipient, non contributors and are brainwashed.

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Someday some on this forum will understand that when you pay into or for something and then take back from what was paid in...that is not a social program.

The democrats have however bastardized both social security and medicare by allowing those who have not contributed one single dime to collect from the same pool of benefits. That would not be socialism....it is just plain stupidity while protecting and or buying a block of votes.

Maybe those who call them social programs are recipient, non contributors and are brainwashed.

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Now this is funny.......if you only knew. I have no kids nor grand kids

True I don't believe the micro aggression thing now you throw the racist card.

I have nothing to be ashamed of.....back at ya!

I didn't believe in trigger warnings or micro-aggressions until my wife start watching The View, The Talk and TMZ. Now I run a sprint just to get out of the room before they start talking

Personal Best Regards:

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"Lie?" What lie? No, a lie is like Harry Reid telling the world that Romney did not pay his taxes. That was a lie, a blatant lie. No, my information has not been verified by more than one source. The reason I did not consider the source to be a credible source is because that source was from Hillary's staff. I don't give much credibility to any liberal. How can you trust a party that lies like Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Reid? Please don't ask me to make a list of lies. It would entail so much typing, just listing Obama's or Hillary's lies.

And to underscore his pride Reid not only admitted it he patted himself on the back Progressive have no shame because the poltical ones seem to have lost their souls

Personal Best Regards:

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And to underscore his pride Reid not only admitted it he patted himself on the back Progressive have no shame because the poltical ones seem to have lost their souls

Personal Best Regards:

:thumbup:

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Now this is funny.......if you only knew. I have no kids nor grand kids

True I don't believe the micro aggression thing now you throw the racist card.

I have nothing to be ashamed of.....back at ya!

You should have been aborted.

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You should have been aborted.

Really Nice....you sicko!!!!

Irish Catholic family....1 of 9.

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You should have been aborted.

Geez I didn't think you right wing types supported abortion.....

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You should have been aborted.

OMG..... I think we might have an actual micro aggression statement here.

Much more direct than the ones listed.

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I thought that subject was Cruz's citizenship, not abortion. I can't see the correlation.

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Cruz's parents were registered to vote in Canada, therefore he was not a natural born citizen. Until recently he had citizenship there. Case closed.

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Cruz's parents were registered to vote in Canada, therefore he was not a natural born citizen. Until recently he had citizenship there. Case closed.

That is questionable and a decision for the courts, if needed. Clinton gave up his citizenship when he dodged the draft and ran to the UK for college. That didn't stop him from running for president.

If Cruz's mother was American, then he is American by birth right. WE have children born overseas all the time by military families. Are you going to suggest that they are NOT Americans?

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I thought that subject was Cruz's citizenship, not abortion. I can't see the correlation.

Never can I but someone told me my parents should have aborted me!

Never saw that coming.

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That is questionable and a decision for the courts, if needed.

If Cruz's mother was American, then he is American by birth right. WE have children born overseas all the time by military families. Are you going to suggest that they are NOT Americans?

IF Cruz's mother and father were both registered to vote in Canada, he is not eligible to be President.

That would mean that the mother was a Canadian citizen when he was born and we know the father was Cuban.

No problem with children of military being born in foreign countries since the parents - or at least one of them is an American citizen.

However, is it a fact that his mother was a registered Canadian voter? Big IF.

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IF Cruz's mother and father were both registered to vote in Canada, he is not eligible to be President.

That would mean that the mother was a Canadian citizen when he was born and we know the father was Cuban.

No problem with children of military being born in foreign countries since the parents - or at least one of them is an American citizen.

However, is it a fact that his mother was a registered Canadian voter? Big IF.

Did the mother give up her American citizenship? I know a few people who carry dual citizenship.

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That is questionable and a decision for the courts, if needed. Clinton gave up his citizenship when he dodged the draft and ran to the UK for college. That didn't stop him from running for president.

If Cruz's mother was American, then he is American by birth right. WE have children born overseas all the time by military families. Are you going to suggest that they are NOT Americans?

Bill Clinton did not give up his citizenship. What a moronic statement.

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It's legal in America to maintain dual citizenship.

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It's legal in America to maintain dual citizenship.

Yes, like Cruz had with US and Canada. But was he eligible to vote in both countries? I don't think so.

Mrs. Cruz - his mom - was born in Delaware. Moved to Canada. Obviously registered to vote in Canada. Did she renounce US citizenship when she registered to vote in Canada? That is what US courts must decide!! Quickly!!!

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I don't think Cruz is a Muslim, and we are not at war with Canada. Just being snide.

If Cruz's mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth, it does not matter if she later became a Canadian citizen, he would still be a natural citizen.

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I hate to take the wind away from the nay sayers, but just read the following report from harvard (I assume that source will stand the caustic assessments):

On the Meaning of (http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/)

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That is questionable and a decision for the courts, if needed. Clinton gave up his citizenship when he dodged the draft and ran to the UK for college. That didn't stop him from running for president.

If Cruz's mother was American, then he is American by birth right. WE have children born overseas all the time by military families. Are you going to suggest that they are NOT Americans?

Cruz's mother and father were registered to vote in Canada making Canada their chosen country. Kruz was then born. making him a Canadian by birth. He is a US citizen, but not by birth. Birth of children out of the country are okay because their military family's are US citizens. There is even more to this.

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I hate to take the wind away from the nay sayers, but just read the following report from harvard (I assume that source will stand the caustic assessments):

On the Meaning of (http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/)

Looks like it.

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I hate to take the wind away from the nay sayers, but just read the following report from harvard (I assume that source will stand the caustic assessments):



On the Meaning of (http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/)


Very interesting. Thank you!

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This is not relevant, because Cruz is done. There is no way the republican establishment will let him win. One way or another they will torpedo him.

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This is not relevant, because Cruz is done. There is no way the republican establishment will let him win. One way or another they will torpedo him.

Oh but it is relevant now with the facts underscoring his US citizenship, without a doubt are understood.....

And I do believe you are overlooking the voting public.

I am not saying I am for Cruz or that he should win but jst not wanting him is not sufficient argument.

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Despite the happenstance of a birth across the border, there is no question that Senator Cruz has been a citizen from birth and is thus a “natural born Citizen” within the meaning of the Constitution. Harvard

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Do you? Other than word of mouth, Obie's mother, is there any proof who his father is? Does it matter? I think it is hilarious that he may not even know himself, and he may have perpetrated the greatest joke in history. But, I don't care now. I was just using him as an example of the need for vetting Cruz and all the other candidates. Make them all take polygraph tests and drug test too. I had to have periodic polygraph and drug tests when I had a security clearance. The top position in the world should require the best security, right?
But, I realize that liberals don't care about national security, and think it's a joke.

If you received a security clearance, we should take a long look at what the requirements are after your hate speech !

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If you received a security clearance, we should take a long look at what the requirements are after your hate speech !

Perhaps you might want to re-educate yourself on vocabulary meanings. Or, maybe you should not misuse the word "hate" just because you heard someone else use it before.

You obviously have no qualms with Hillary having a top secret clearance and then mishandling of 2300 classified documents. Your idea of "secure" might need to be reevaluated, and adjusted. :laugh:

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Perhaps you might want to re-educate yourself on vocabulary meanings. Or, maybe you should not misuse the word "hate" just because you heard someone else use it before.

You obviously have no qualms with Hillary having a top secret clearance and then mishandling of 2300 classified documents. Your idea of "secure" might need to be reevaluated, and adjusted. :laugh:

It already has been by Clinton....if it is inconvenient just put it on plain paper and send it in the mail!!!

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What did the original writers of the Constitution have in mind when they wrote that you must be native born to hold the office of President. Be mindful of that period of time and of what they were fearful of and what they wanted to prevent.

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What did the original writers of the Constitution have in mind when they wrote that you must be native born to hold the office of President. Be mindful of that period of time and of what they were fearful of and what they wanted to prevent.

Basically, they wanted to prevent foreign influence, period.

Even though, I won't be voting for Cruz unless he someone wins the nomination, I believe that he has more loyalty to country than Obama. I doubt Cruz would apologize for this country, or lead from behind (meaning: following). I have no doubt of Cruz's loyalty. I do doubt his ability to get along with his peers, let alone with the Democrats. But, then again that is pretty much an Obama trait also.

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Donald Trump and John McCain have both brought up the fact that Rafael Cruz, Jr. was born in Canada and not on USA soil. Although Rafael has been up front about this, it may be a drawn out court case to determine if he is eligible to be President.

The fact that Rafael Cruz Sr fought along side Fidel Castro, a Communist, may be a bigger problem for the younger Rafael.

Cruz' campaign is getting legal advice on both issues but it looks like an uphill battle for the son of the insurgent.
All smoke. Cruz is a citizen. That's more than can be said for the current dictator.

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All smoke. Cruz is a citizen. That's more than can be said for the current dictator.

:thumbup:

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Cruz doesn't have to get along with his peers. That's been the trouble. We have slipped so far that getting along is tantamount to sharing the sleeze and business as usual. Cruz has argued before the Supreme Court. He is brilliant and has a prodigious memory. No one owns him. I would never consider anyone who wants to "get along. Business as usual."

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Cruz doesn't have to get along with his peers. That's been the trouble. We have slipped so far that getting along is tantamount to sharing the sleeze and business as usual. Cruz has argued before the Supreme Court. He is brilliant and has a prodigious memory. No one owns him. I would never consider anyone who wants to "get along. Business as usual."

We have seen "divisive" with the current administrator. Cruz will not get anything done for another 8 years. The only way to make people happy is to have a consensus vote on issues, not a one sided vote like Obamacare. Even Trump would be better than Cruz in dealing with people. Say what you will, but either people respect him, like him or fear him. But, everyone knows if he says he will do something, you can be assured that he can do it. I believe that Trump could talk (or trick) the devil into going to church, so I have no reason to believe that he couldn't get congress to start working. Pelosi chased all the half way decent democrats out of congress. Cruz would probably have a similar effect on the GOP.

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Wonder you could back your statements with actual facts and not just an opinion. I would like to pass on your information but need facts to back what you say up.

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Wonder you could back your statements with actual facts and not just an opinion. I would like to pass on your information but need facts to back what you say up.

It would help if you used the reply button so that we could tell what you are referencing.

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Citizen? check!

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Perhaps you might want to re-educate yourself on vocabulary meanings. Or, maybe you should not misuse the word "hate" just because you heard someone else use it before.

You obviously have no qualms with Hillary having a top secret clearance and then mishandling of 2300 classified documents. Your idea of "secure" might need to be reevaluated, and adjusted. :laugh:

I don't believe in my post there was any mention of Mrs. Clinton. Quit trying to put words in other peoples mouths. If you can't just address the post, then don't.

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I don't believe in my post there was any mention of Mrs. Clinton. Quit trying to put words in other peoples mouths. If you can't just address the post, then don't.

If you did not use the word "hate" then the post is not "addressed" to you. If you are going to get all defensive, then maybe this is a bit much for you.

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Citizen? check!

Born in Hawaii. End of story!


Ted Cruz Canadian citizen born in Calgary. End of story.

This is just to much fun!!!!!

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Born in Hawaii. End of story!


Ted Cruz Canadian citizen born in Calgary. End of story.

This is just to much fun!!!!!

Born in Canada, still citizen. End of story.

This is just boring.

On the other hand, what more do the liberals have? Humor them.

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Remember the most famous statement for authenticating truth:

"I did not have sex with that woman"!

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Remember the most famous statement for authenticating truth:

"I did not have sex with that woman"!


Remember the most famous statement for authenticating truth:

"2003 Mission Accomplished speech"

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Remember the most famous statement for authenticating truth:

"2003 Mission Accomplished speech"

Big difference. Clinton made the first statement. The carrier made the second statement as they were leaving for home.

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Big difference. Clinton made the first statement. The carrier made the second statement as they were leaving for home.

Are we, once again, being lead to believe the "Mission Accomplished" banner was about the ship returning. LOL, we could believe that except for W's remarks that day.

If there's one day in particular Bush could choose to rewrite, it might be May 1, 2003.

It was a sunny day off the coast of San Diego. Congress had authorized what would become the Iraq war a few months earlier, in October 2002. The invasion had begun in March 2003. On May 1, President Bush had landed on the USS Abraham Lincoln in the co-pilot's seat of a Navy fighter jet.

President Bush is welcomed aboard the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, Thursday, May 1, 2003, off the California coast. (Pablo Martinez Monsivais/AP)
After landing, Bush changed out of his combat suit and stepped up to the podium, surrounded by a crowd as receptive as the one in Dallas last week.

Having marched U.S. troops through Iraq and deposed of Saddam Hussein's regime (and his statue), Bush called Operation Iraqi Freedom "a job well done."

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended," Bush said, the infamous "Mission Accomplished" banner hovering over him. "In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."

At the time, the theatrics seemed effective, in the eyes of U.S. News. Democrats were disappointed, as Ken Walsh wrote, that the photo-op went so smoothly

Instead, the speech and the banner became a symbol of the unpopular war, which would last another eight brutal years. The image came to encapsulate not just the war, but the mistakes of the Bush administration as a whole, as even Bush himself admitted at his final press conference as president.

"Clearly, putting a 'mission accomplished' on an aircraft carrier was a mistake," Bush said, when asked about his errors while in the White House. "It sent the wrong message. We were trying to say something differently but, nevertheless, it conveyed a different message."

You can't spin this one!!!!!

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Are we, once again, being lead to believe the "Mission Accomplished" banner was about the ship returning. LOL, we could believe that except for W's remarks that day.

If there's one day in particular Bush could choose to rewrite, it might be May 1, 2003.

It was a sunny day off the coast of San Diego. Congress had authorized what would become the Iraq war a few months earlier, in October 2002. The invasion had begun in March 2003. On May 1, President Bush had landed on the USS Abraham Lincoln in the co-pilot's seat of a Navy fighter jet.

President Bush is welcomed aboard the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, Thursday, May 1, 2003, off the California coast. (Pablo Martinez Monsivais/AP)
After landing, Bush changed out of his combat suit and stepped up to the podium, surrounded by a crowd as receptive as the one in Dallas last week.

Having marched U.S. troops through Iraq and deposed of Saddam Hussein's regime (and his statue), Bush called Operation Iraqi Freedom "a job well done."

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended," Bush said, the infamous "Mission Accomplished" banner hovering over him. "In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."

At the time, the theatrics seemed effective, in the eyes of U.S. News. Democrats were disappointed, as Ken Walsh wrote, that the photo-op went so smoothly

Instead, the speech and the banner became a symbol of the unpopular war, which would last another eight brutal years. The image came to encapsulate not just the war, but the mistakes of the Bush administration as a whole, as even Bush himself admitted at his final press conference as president.

"Clearly, putting a 'mission accomplished' on an aircraft carrier was a mistake," Bush said, when asked about his errors while in the White House. "It sent the wrong message. We were trying to say something differently but, nevertheless, it conveyed a different message."

You can't spin this one!!!!!

So what is your point?

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But, George Washington was born in VA.

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The selective backward looking and selective quotings from the past that suit the current poster's agenda or goal is no more than a waste of time and effort.

Also boring and repeitive cause that is all they seem to be able to do.

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The selective backward looking and selective quotings from the past that suit the current poster's agenda or goal is no more than a waste of time and effort.

Also boring and repeitive cause that is all they seem to be able to do.

Your rant sounds like Elmer Fudd sputtering about that "wascalley wabbit". :cus:

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Your rant sounds like Elmer Fudd sputtering about that "wascalley wabbit". :cus:

Sorry to find out your hearing is as impaired as speaking/typing.:evil6:

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The selective backward looking and selective quotings from the past that suit the current poster's agenda or goal is no more than a waste of time and effort.

Also boring and repeitive cause that is all they seem to be able to do.

Here is the article read it and weep.

'Mission Accomplished': Bush's Infamous Iraq War Speech, 10 Years Later - US News (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/press-past/2013/05/01/the-other-symbol-of-george-w-bushs-legacy)

You can believe the Republican spin or hear the truth your choice. But my nephew served 4 more tours in the Gulf region and earned the Purple Heart after GW Bush declared major combat operations were over!!! BS

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So what is your point?

GW Bush started a war with a country that had NOT attacked the United States. He and his staff lied about the reasons for doing so in the run up to the war.....

Then he flew on to a carrier in full military grab under a Mission Accomplished banner and declared the Iraq war over. But as we know it was NOT!

He and Dick Cheney abandoned our troops there when he left office.

Now posters on this site are trying to spin the truth.

That's my point!

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Here is the article read it and weep.

'Mission Accomplished': Bush's Infamous Iraq War Speech, 10 Years Later - US News (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/press-past/2013/05/01/the-other-symbol-of-george-w-bushs-legacy)

You can believe the Republican spin or hear the truth your choice. But my nephew served 4 more tours in the Gulf region and earned the Purple Heart after GW Bush declared major combat operations were over!!! BS

We all thank him for his service.

Now let's hear about how many have had to serve and where since Obama has declared combat in certain countries has come to an end. You know like places in Iraq where several American troops were pinned down by the taliban.

Obama is mucjh more devious about calling it what it is than any before him.
Remember he is the master illusionist.

And in the end it is our family memebers who pay the price.

So cut the BS about what W or anybody else did in the past. We cannot make that right. But we can sure as hell do something about the here and now by demanding the illusionist in chief tell it like it is and send our service members the help and allow them to win. Or get the hell ut all together.

Time for the political BS illusion to stop!

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We all thank him for his service.

Now let's hear about how many have had to serve and where since Obama has declared combat in certain countries has come to an end. You know like places in Iraq where several American troops were pinned down by the taliban.

Obama is mucjh more devious about calling it what it is than any before him.
Remember he is the master illusionist.

And in the end it is our family memebers who pay the price.

So cut the BS about what W or anybody else did in the past. We cannot make that right. But we can sure as hell do something about the here and now by demanding the illusionist in chief tell it like it is and send our service members the help and allow them to win. Or get the hell ut all together.

Time for the political BS illusion to stop!

My post was a reaction to someone, in this string, saying the "Mission Accomplished" banner was about the ship which is Republican spin....

You are right about W his administration did many things wrong and we cannot change it now but we should NOT deny what happened on his watch and endeavor to keep it from happening again.

I have 2 other nephews in the military as well.. 1 Marines 1 Navy and 1 Army.

The one with the Purple Heart was on duty at the US Embassy in Tanzania when it was blown up in a terrorist attack. To this day I say it is not good when you see your nephew on CNN!

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My post was a reaction to someone, in this string, saying the "Mission Accomplished" banner was about the ship which is Republican spin....

You are right about W his administration did many things wrong and we cannot change it now but we should NOT deny what happened on his watch and endeavor to keep it from happening again.

I have 2 other nephews in the military as well.. 1 Marines 1 Navy and 1 Army.

The one with the Purple Heart was on duty at the US Embassy in Tanzania when it was blown up in a terrorist attack. To this day I say it is not good when you see your nephew on CNN!


Gotta love it when someone has a relative that went into combat. Everyone knows someone "else" that went. That is supposed to make their statement credible.

So, I will legitimize my statement also, but with one difference. I served in Vietnam for two tours. 60K were killed in combat. I served in Desert storm and I was also in Baghdad in 2003 during Iraqi Freedom and was in the Al Rasheed when it was struck by 21 rockets while the World Series was going back here in the states. But, I also was in Baghdad when almost a half million bodies were uncovered in mass graves from when Sadaam used WMDs on his own people. I talked with the Iraqi people and they were so happy that we were there. At least the ones that talked to me. One story related to me explained how Sadaam and his brother used to drive down the city street looking for young women. When they found one they thought interesting, they would kidnap her and take her back to his palace, rape and kill her. One young male Iraqi told me that his sister had been kidnapped, never to be seen again. I was also told that before Sadaam fled the city, he released all the felony murders, prisoners from jail. Do I think that Bush made some mistakes? Not with Iraq. I received incoming fire almost every day that I was in Iraq. Was it Bush's fault? Not in my opinion.

In my opinion, Bush's only fault was allowing his tax cut that allowed the lower half of the income groups to either pay no taxes or very little taxes. Some folks that did not pay taxes even received a refund(?). That program is called the Earned income tax credit, also a Republican plan that I believe started under Ford and later expanded.

But, all that aside I find it very disingenuous that liberals continue to blame Bush for their poor choice of president. I realize that it was either a choice of Obama or Hillary and that caused a conundrum. Now, they have a choice of Hillary or the other socialist, Sanders. Another conundrum. They have the choice of the old or the antique. Not very progressive.

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Are we, once again, being lead to believe the "Mission Accomplished" banner was about the ship returning. LOL, we could believe that except for W's remarks that day.

If there's one day in particular Bush could choose to rewrite, it might be May 1, 2003.

It was a sunny day off the coast of San Diego. Congress had authorized what would become the Iraq war a few months earlier, in October 2002. The invasion had begun in March 2003. On May 1, President Bush had landed on the USS Abraham Lincoln in the co-pilot's seat of a Navy fighter jet.

President Bush is welcomed aboard the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, Thursday, May 1, 2003, off the California coast. (Pablo Martinez Monsivais/AP)
After landing, Bush changed out of his combat suit and stepped up to the podium, surrounded by a crowd as receptive as the one in Dallas last week.

Having marched U.S. troops through Iraq and deposed of Saddam Hussein's regime (and his statue), Bush called Operation Iraqi Freedom "a job well done."

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended," Bush said, the infamous "Mission Accomplished" banner hovering over him. "In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."

At the time, the theatrics seemed effective, in the eyes of U.S. News. Democrats were disappointed, as Ken Walsh wrote, that the photo-op went so smoothly

Instead, the speech and the banner became a symbol of the unpopular war, which would last another eight brutal years. The image came to encapsulate not just the war, but the mistakes of the Bush administration as a whole, as even Bush himself admitted at his final press conference as president.

"Clearly, putting a 'mission accomplished' on an aircraft carrier was a mistake," Bush said, when asked about his errors while in the White House. "It sent the wrong message. We were trying to say something differently but, nevertheless, it conveyed a different message."

You can't spin this one!!!!!

No you can't spin that. It was a case of theatrics that backfired on him. Even now he admits the Iraq war was a mistake. But I supposed some on this forum will try to blame it all on Obama.

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No you can't spin that. It was a case of theatrics that backfired on him. Even now he admits the Iraq war was a mistake. But I supposed some on this forum will try to blame it all on Obama.

Poor Obama. He is sooo misunderstood. Bush has been haunting the White House, forcing Obama into making poor decisions. It was Bush's fault for the recession, but Obama can hardly be blamed for the duration for the recession. After all, how can he be blamed for the bad recovery. A president is not responsible for the economy, right? Besides, how can you blame Obama when he has done nothing....other than play golf. Poor pitiful Obama, had a democrat majority and still couldn't get anything done. Bush's ghost has been such a bully.

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Bartlett: "Mission Accomplished" Banner Was My Fault - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bartlett-mission-accomplished-banner-was-my-fault/)

The subject of the thread was regarding Cruz's citizenship. Time to get back on track.