Now I've seen it ALL in a roundabout!

[goodtimesintv]

A few minutes ago. As I yielded/stopped for vehicles in both lanes to my left, at entrance to the roundabout at Morse and Stillwater, myself heading northbound on Morse.

Vehicle to my left came around the circle as if intending to either exit onto Stillwater to my east, or keep going around to go north on Morse.

When this driver to my left got just past the exit onto southbound Morse (to my left), said driver must have thought they missed their exit and stopped and backed up, trying to get back enough to go south on Morse! Said driver screwed up drivers coming around in both lanes beside and behind him IN the roundabout, AND the drivers doing a right turn from Stillwater onto Morse southbound. It could have been an 8-car pileup.

Note to everybody who's never been here and thinks it's just a bunch of old people too feeble to drive, think again: At least eight other of us drivers were keenly alert and did not hit or get hit by that crazy person backing up inside a roundabout and at the convergence of two entry lanes northbound, two lanes southbound, and right turn lane for those turning right from Stillwater onto Morse southbound.

Please. If you do not know enough to keep going and not stop/back-up when you miss your turn IN a roundabout, please stay off the road.

[John_W]

Twice in the past two weeks I've had drivers in the roundabout stop and yield to me, while I was waiting to enter the roundabout. I quickly rolled down my window both times and waved the driver to keep going.

[tomwed]

I'm happy to hear everyone reacted the way they did. You guys should get "I survived the guy going backwards in a circle" tee shirts.

[John_W]

I just remembered another good one from about a month ago. While going around the Turtle Mound roundabout on Buena Visa I saw a car parked on the right hand side in the roundabout. The driver was reading his map.

[bagboy]

I see eastbound Stillwater traffic enter the roundabout in the right lane and proceed on around and go north on Morse Blvd on a regular basis. In fact, when using that roundabout it's rare not to see that happen. And it's a year round occurrence, not just a busy season phenomenon. Just have to be careful.

[JoMar]

I have also seen a couple left turns from the right lane.....I try never to go through a roundabout with a car alongside me plus I always use turn signals which has helped.

[Topspinmo]

"Be aware or the right laner doing the short route (roundabout shuffle) entering the roundabout, then crossing into the left lane and crossing back into the right lane as they exit the roundabout. All the time not using blinker or looking if some one wa besie them. Luckily for the third time in month I was anticipated this move. I try to never have car beside me in round about. I either slow down or speed up to keep the distance.

[golfing eagles]

I see eastbound Stillwater traffic enter the roundabout in the right lane and proceed on around and go north on Morse Blvd on a regular basis. In fact, when using that roundabout it's rare not to see that happen. And it's a year round occurrence, not just a busy season phenomenon. Just have to be careful.

Same thing happens all the time with southbound Buena Vista cars going around in right lane to Hillsborough gate, and also 44A eastbound going around to Buena Vista north. I just hang back and wait for the inevitable

[xkeowner]

Twice at the roundabout on Morse next to the Havana Country Club I have met cars at night going around it the wrong direction. Fortunately, traffic was light and there was not a wreck. Both times it was after 9:00 pm and I had to wonder if they were leaving the bar at Havana. This was during the previous ownership when I have been told drinks there were among the cheapest in the area.

[xcaligirl]

Right when I think I've seen it all, another person makes my jaw drop! It's always an 'adventure' driving around here. Not the type of adventure I'm ever looking for but one I look out for!

[Fred R]

Whenever I enter a roundabout, especially on my Goldwing, I always say a little prayer. You never know what folks are going to do. Can be scary.

[goodtimesintv]

I realize some coming here don't have a lot of roundabouts where they came from, to have experience with them. But knowing not to stop and back up diagonally to make a Y-turn at a 2-lane exit in one is pretty basic!

[Topspinmo]

I see eastbound Stillwater traffic enter the roundabout in the right lane and proceed on around and go north on Morse Blvd on a regular basis. In fact, when using that roundabout it's rare not to see that happen. And it's a year round occurrence, not just a busy season phenomenon. Just have to be careful.

Isn't that multi-lane roundabout with bypass to the north from the south side? I rarely go east on Stillwater? If so there is nothing wrong with right lane traffic going around to the north exit due there is not straight through exit going east.

WSDOT - How to drive a roundabout (http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/safety/roundabouts/)

Look at multi-lane example on straight through example. I look for who has the right away in the circle, but can't find it.. I would think you must yield to anybody beside you or ahead of you in either lane of multi-lane round about. IMO this where it gets confusing. That's why I don't like being beside someone in roundabout.

[jpvillager]

Told a friend I assume no one knows what they are doing in a roundabout including myself. His reply is to take both lanes.

[NotFromAroundHere]

Isn't that multi-lane roundabout with bypass to the north from the south side? I rarely go east on Stillwater? If so there is nothing wrong with right lane traffic going around to the north exit due there is not straight through exit going east.


But eastbound to northbound is still a "left" turn, so one should use the left lane.

[bagboy]

Isn't that multi-lane roundabout with bypass to the north from the south side? I rarely go east on Stillwater? If so there is nothing wrong with right lane traffic going around to the north exit due there is not straight through exit going east.

WSDOT - How to drive a roundabout (http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/safety/roundabouts/)

Look at multi-lane example on straight through example. I look for who has the right away in the circle, but can't find it.. I would think you must yield to anybody beside you or ahead of you in either lane of multi-lane round about. IMO this where it gets confusing. That's why I don't like being beside someone in roundabout.

At that roundabout, you can proceed east into the village of Caroline. So the driver in the right can should only have the "go south on Morse" option, or continue on straight into Caroline. As a side note, when a driver is in the left lane to continue around and go north on Morse, they most likely will be blocked from using that bypass from either the car going all the way around, or a driver coming out of Caroline.
It's just one place that I know to be extra careful.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Twice at the roundabout on Morse next to the Havana Country Club I have met cars at night going around it the wrong direction. Fortunately, traffic was light and there was not a wreck. Both times it was after 9:00 pm and I had to wonder if they were leaving the bar at Havana. This was during the previous ownership when I have been told drinks there were among the cheapest in the area.

Maybe they were visiting from the UK.

[golfing eagles]

At that roundabout, you can proceed east into the village of Caroline. So the driver in the right can should only have the "go south on Morse" option, or continue on straight into Caroline. As a side note, when a driver is in the left lane to continue around and go north on Morse, they most likely will be blocked from using that bypass from either the car going all the way around, or a driver coming out of Caroline.
It's just one place that I know to be extra careful.

Also, in any 4 way RB, the person going straight in the left lane better beware of the person going straight in the right lane who entered 90 degrees from the right---both are proceeding legally, but OOPS! Best to never get along side anyone in a RB. Again, no one should enter a RB with traffic coming around in EITHER lane, yet it happens all the time, especially when there are a few cars waiting to enter the RB

[Mikeod]

Isn't that multi-lane roundabout with bypass to the north from the south side? I rarely go east on Stillwater? If so there is nothing wrong with right lane traffic going around to the north exit due there is not straight through exit going east.

WSDOT - How to drive a roundabout (http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/safety/roundabouts/)

Look at multi-lane example on straight through example. I look for who has the right away in the circle, but can't find it.. I would think you must yield to anybody beside you or ahead of you in either lane of multi-lane round about. IMO this where it gets confusing. That's why I don't like being beside someone in roundabout.
I think you're referring to the one nearer the bridge. The one we're talking about is the one more south at Stillwater. People going east on Stillwater from Canal St. that want to use the bypass lane continue to use the right lane inappropriately so they don't have to merge to the right to get into the bypass lane. IMO, there's plenty of time to merge to the right after using the roundabout properly.

Same thing happens at Buena Vista at Stillwater. People going south enter in the right lane intending to exit onto Stillwater and have to cross a solid line to do so.

I see two reasons for this. One, people who have not encountered roundabouts previously and are confused how to navigate them. And two, people who HAVE encountered roundabouts elsewhere and just KNOW how to do it so they don't pay attention to the signs that designate lane use.

OMG, another RAB thread!!!! And I posted on it. Shame, shame.

[golfing eagles]

OMG, another RAB thread!!!! And I posted on it. Shame, shame.

To paraphrase another poster's tag line, "The closest thing to eternal life is a RB thread" (or seat saving or line dancers or golf ambassadors or..........)

[Topspinmo]

I think you're referring to the one nearer the bridge. The one we're talking about is the one more south at Stillwater. People going east on Stillwater from Canal St. that want to use the bypass lane continue to use the right lane inappropriately so they don't have to merge to the right to get into the bypass lane. IMO, there's plenty of time to merge to the right after using the roundabout properly.

Same thing happens at Buena Vista at Stillwater. People going south enter in the right lane intending to exit onto Stillwater and have to cross a solid line to do so.

I see two reasons for this. One, people who have not encountered roundabouts previously and are confused how to navigate them. And two, people who HAVE encountered roundabouts elsewhere and just KNOW how to do it so they don't pay attention to the signs that designate lane use.

OMG, another RAB thread!!!! And I posted on it. Shame, shame.

Your right I thought it was the one behind the offices and grocery store that runs
into the lake.

[jjdees]

There's a new phenomenon. People now think the vehicle making a left turn have the right away where approaching traffic will wait in place while those approaching make their left turns. I've experienced this under all sorts of conditions where traffic grinds to a halt because no one knows what the hell is going on. How did this mind set occur? I can only think it's because someone without any common sense or experience did this and the sheep follow. It sounds like those it a roundabout have the same illness. I also think it has a connection to political correction run amuck.

[rjm1cc]

For drivers that are not use to the runabouts the 2 lane ones can be confusing.Maybe they should be converted to one lane???

[tomwed]

For drivers that are not use to the runabouts the 2 lane ones can be confusing.Maybe they should be converted to one lane???
one with butter please

[JoMar]

For drivers that are not use to the runabouts the 2 lane ones can be confusing.Maybe they should be converted to one lane???

That will slow things down.

[rubicon]

My friends, my friends, my friends, You live in The Villages EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED. We have people from just about every geographical area in the Western Hemisphere. It should be clear to everyone that utilized a round-a-bout once that some folks are just too timid. Tthey don't know the difference between yield and stop. They can't see that a round-a-bout is no more than a curved intersection. They either panic or have short attention spans when navigating? They haven't figured out that if they signal their intentions it helps other drivers. We big city drivers understand the complexities of multiple lanes on/off exits etc and recognize that all you need to do is go with the flow and trust ( well trust but verify) every other driver knows what s/he is doing because s/he who hesitates creates a stoppage of traffic

Of course all of this still can't explain why I almost rear ended a guy who parked his golf cart in the left lane of a round-about and was out walking around:D

I am grateful for round-a-bouts because they 1) alleviate traffic 2) give me a break to talk about something better than the awful politics of today

Personal Best Regards:

[golfing eagles]

For drivers that are not use to the runabouts the 2 lane ones can be confusing.Maybe they should be converted to one lane???

Maybe these "drivers" should learn how to navigate a 2 lane RB, just like the rest of us did. I would suggest ASAP.

[Madelaine Amee]

It should be clear to everyone that utilized a round-a-bout once that some folks are just too timid. They don't know the difference between yield and stop. They can't see that a round-a-bout is no more than a curved intersection. They either panic or have short attention spans when navigating? They haven't figured out that if they signal their intentions it helps other drivers.
:BigApplause:
You nailed this one .............. when navigating a roundabout from the inside lane, have you ever glanced over and seen the look of absolute terror that the person on the outside lane has etched on their face and these are the people that always navigate every roundabout from the outside lane, they are also the driver to be most afraid of meeting in a roundabout because you do not have a clue where they are going.

[Bogie Shooter]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[dbussone]

Told a friend I assume no one knows what they are doing in a roundabout including myself. His reply is to take both lanes.


That's actually done fairly frequently. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone blow through a round about and use both lanes in an effort to make as straight a line as possible. Idiots like that would last about 15 seconds on the 4 lane rotaries in the Boston area.

[tomwed]

I have a new idea. You know when you go in older departments stores with revolving doors. You never get hurt or bump into anyone. Why can't we have revolving doors on all the circles.

I hope nobody tries to steal this idea before I copyright it. [insert winking emoticons going in and out of a revolving door]

[autumnspring]

My dad taught me to drive. While he passed away several years ago, I still hear him saying,"Expect the other driver to do the stupidest possible thing, because that is exactly what he is going to do."
Clearly, those roundabouts are dangerous. Many years ago they had them in Brooklyn AND THEY WERE ALL REMOVED.
I've read that the person in the LEFT lane is allowed to make a right turn. THIS IS INSANITY. Since you need to-or perhaps should, slow down at the roundabout, perhaps they should be one lane.

[dbussone]

I have a new idea. You know when you go in older departments stores with revolving doors. You never get hurt or bump into anyone. Why can't we have revolving doors on all the circles.

I hope nobody tries to steal this idea before I copyright it. [insert winking emoticons going in and out of a revolving door]

I can just see it now Tom. Great idea, but you probably should avoid using glass.

[autumnspring]

Right when I think I've seen it all, another person makes my jaw drop! It's always an 'adventure' driving around here. Not the type of adventure I'm ever looking for but one I look out for!

Perhaps the issue is sooo many drivers from different places. I've had people stop on both sides of the road to talk making it impossible to pass. That to me is a me me or g-d bless me and screw you. From that type of self centered person a toot on the horn, flashing your lights results in a dirty look for disturbing them.

[dbussone]

My dad taught me to drive. While he passed away several years ago, I still hear him saying,"Expect the other driver to do the stupidest possible thing, because that is exactly what he is going to do."
Clearly, those roundabouts are dangerous. Many years ago they had them in Brooklyn AND THEY WERE ALL REMOVED.
I've read that the person in the LEFT lane is allowed to make a right turn. THIS IS INSANITY. Since you need to-or perhaps should, slow down at the roundabout, perhaps they should be one lane.

Rotaries are being used successfully in numerous communities. Las Vegas piloted single lane rotaries and they were a disaster. One averaged 4-5 accidents a week - luckily (poor choice of words) the rotary was right in front of a hospital. A second lane was added and mostly solved the problem. The inebriated in Vegas, and rotaries, just don't mix well.

Rotaries in the Boston area are mostly 4 lanes, and have been around longer than I have. I've never seen an accident on one.

If you look at the directional signs prior to entering our rotaries in TV you'll see that right turns from the left lane are prohibited.

So what's wrong With Brooklyn? Any thing obvious? ::jester::

[tomwed]

I can just see it now Tom. Great idea, but you probably should avoid using glass.
Like a turnstile......hmmmmm The kind that can't go backwards.
I think you got something there.

[Bogie Shooter]

My dad taught me to drive. While he passed away several years ago, I still hear him saying,"Expect the other driver to do the stupidest possible thing, because that is exactly what he is going to do."
Clearly, those roundabouts are dangerous. Many years ago they had them in Brooklyn AND THEY WERE ALL REMOVED.
I've read that the person in the LEFT lane is allowed to make a right turn. THIS IS INSANITY. Since you need to-or perhaps should, slow down at the roundabout, perhaps they should be one lane.

Where did you read this?

[NotGolfer]

Three quarters of the way around the Round-about is this: You're to be in the left lane if you are planning a right turn. Car in right lane comes barreling upon this and hits the turning car will be cited. Of course folks "should be" using that lever on their steering wheel post that's there for a reason---it's called a turn signal. There is a Tutorial on YouTube re: driving the round-abouts.

[tomwed]

Three quarters of the way around the Round-about is this: You're to be in the left lane if you are planning a right turn. Car in right lane comes barreling upon this and hits the turning car will be cited. Of course folks "should be" using that lever on their steering wheel post that's there for a reason---it's called a turn signal. There is a Tutorial on YouTube re: driving the round-abouts.
This one?
?v=8wIoR7fpPJM

[dbussone]

This one?

?v=8wIoR7fpPJM


I got "bad request" trying the link Tom. Kinda like turning right from the left hand lane in a rotary?

[tomwed]

I got "bad request" trying the link Tom. Kinda like turning right from the left hand lane in a rotary?
try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wIoR7fpPJM

I wonder why it works for me. I use youtube quite a bit and now I wonder if they worked at all.
bummer
[does anyone even say bummer anymore?]

[dbussone]

try this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wIoR7fpPJM



I wonder why it works for me. I use youtube quite a bit and now I wonder if they worked at all.

bummer

[does anyone even say bummer anymore?]


Excellent. Thank you.

[virgind]

They have turned TV into a tourist destination and that is not what it is.

[2BNTV]

Three things:
1. Backing up in a roundabout takes the cake.
2. Making a left turn by not using the roundabout. Saw this one in the Belvedere roundabout and the driver was totally oblivious, they were doing something wrong.
3. Going three quarters around the roundabout, in the right lane.

As usual, we need to be careful by not staying aside another driver, in the RB.

Some people don't know better and the other half doesn't care, until an accident happens!

Let's be careful out there!

[dbussone]

They have turned TV into a tourist destination and that is not what it is.


Who is "they?"

[memason]

Who is "they?"

I'd say "they" are "us"!

It's "us" that buy houses and then rent them out for the season FOR AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE!

I'm wondering who the greedy ones are?

The developer builds and sells houses. We buy them and then create a tourist destination by renting them to folks who want to spend a few months in the warm, Florida sun. Nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is.

[coffeebean]

.......I've read that the person in the LEFT lane is allowed to make a right turn......

The person in the left lane can go straight or make a left turn. It is deceiving though when watching traffic exit the RABs.....it sort of looks like everyone is making a right turns when they really aren't. It all depends on where a person enters the RAB.

From the entry point in a RAB.......

The first exit is a right turn (from the outside lane)
The second exit is going straight (from the outside or inside lane)
The third exit is a left turn (from the inside lane)
The forth exit is a U turn (from the inside lane)

[Uberschaf]

This is what a roundabout looks like to first timers:

[mikemalloy]

I see eastbound Stillwater traffic enter the roundabout in the right lane and proceed on around and go north on Morse Blvd on a regular basis. In fact, when using that roundabout it's rare not to see that happen. And it's a year round occurrence, not just a busy season phenomenon. Just have to be careful.

I see that all the time also. What a waste of money to put up those green signs showing drivers what lanes should do in the roundabout.

[Philip Winkler]

Yesterday I was driving on St. Charles going to BV Blvd; at the St. Charles gate a large SUV made a right hand turn onto the golf cart path at Sandhill. Several of us honked our horns; a maintenance worker got him straightened out.

[goodtimesintv]

Yesterday I was driving on St. Charles going to BV Blvd; at the St. Charles gate a large SUV made a right hand turn onto the golf cart path at Sandhill. Several of us honked our horns; a maintenance worker got him straightened out.

The lunatic that backed up on the roundabout diagonally across both lanes was driving a "large SUV" too.

They had the driving skill and sense for driving maybe a Cozy Coupe in a walled-in backyard! Little Tikes Cozy Coupe 30th Anniversary Edition | ToysRUs (http://www.toysrus.com/buy/save-up-to-20-on-bikes-trikes-junior-wheels/little-tikes-cozy-coupe-30th-anniversary-edition-612060-3455088)

[NotGolfer]

This one?
?v=8wIoR7fpPJM

Yup!!!

[VILLAGERBB]

Wow! Scarey!

[Vicki baker]

Everyday as I travel Buena Vista towards Sumter Landing, I am passed by Out Of State cars going 45-50 mph. Don't the speed limits apply to them?

[twoplanekid]

Forget about the roundabouts. While traveling south on Buena Vista, I stopped at a red traffic light on 466a to observe a car in the left(east) turn lane decide to turn right and proceed in front of three lanes of stopped cars to then travel west on 466a. Right turn on red from the left turn lane! Didn't know that was OK in Florida.

[golfing eagles]

Forget about the roundabouts. While traveling south on Buena Vista, I stopped at a red traffic light on 466a to observe a car in the left(east) turn lane decide to turn right and proceed in front of three lanes of stopped cars to then travel west on 466a. Right turn on red from the left turn lane! Didn't know that was OK in Florida.

That's nothing---wait till you see what I do in your driveway on Sunday:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[tghoul]

I see eastbound Stillwater traffic enter the roundabout in the right lane and proceed on around and go north on Morse Blvd on a regular basis. In fact, when using that roundabout it's rare not to see that happen. And it's a year round occurrence, not just a busy season phenomenon. Just have to be careful.

I was told someone watched that circle for an hour and over 50% of the cars in the right lane going east on Stillwater into that circle proceeded around the circle and headed north on Morse. Many I assume want to be in the right lane coming out of the circle so they will be in the by-pass lane of the next circle. That however is no excuse.

[Polar Bear]

I was told someone watched that circle for an hour and over 50% of the cars in the right lane going east on Stillwater into that circle proceeded around the circle and headed north on Morse. Many I assume want to be in the right lane coming out of the circle so they will be in the by-pass lane of the next circle. That however is no excuse.
So they are approaching the roundabout in the right lane on Stillwater. You mean they also stay in the outside lane of the roundabout all the way around?

[bagboy]

I was told someone watched that circle for an hour and over 50% of the cars in the right lane going east on Stillwater into that circle proceeded around the circle and headed north on Morse. Many I assume want to be in the right lane coming out of the circle so they will be in the by-pass lane of the next circle. That however is no excuse.

I'm surprised it was only 50% lol. I agree with many of the drivers wanting to take the northbound by pass.

[Bogie Shooter]

Unless you have some idiot in the right lane, it is easy enough to stay in the proper left lane to merge right to enter the by-pass after exiting the roundabout.
Just read the damn signs on entering any roundabout.

[buzzy]

Unless you have some idiot in the right lane, it is easy enough to stay in the proper left lane to merge right to enter the by-pass after exiting the roundabout.
Just read the damn signs on entering any roundabout.

But there's always an idiot in the right lane at that roundabout. And boy do they get wigged-out if you try to get into the bypass lane ahead of them.

[Average Guy]

It seems like a lot of drivers feel like it is so important to them to use that by-pass, even though in reality, it saves them very little time.

Human nature to some, I guess, that if there is an opportunity to save some time, regardless of how little time it is, they are willing to break the law and risk an accident to do it.

When traveling east on Stillwater Trail I always use the inner lane when going through this roundabout, and I have always been able to safely move to the right lane after the roundabout and use the by-pass.

[rubicon]

That's actually done fairly frequently. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone blow through a round about and use both lanes in an effort to make as straight a line as possible. Idiots like that would last about 15 seconds on the 4 lane rotaries in the Boston area.

Hi dbussone: Some drivers purposefully use both lanes in an effort to control traffic behind them... not so good. However, on the other hand when there is a traffic jam on a interstate with only one lane open its a good thing when a semi blocks off traffic forcing drivers to alternate and assisting in alleviating the back up. something that should be obvious to drivers but then we do have drivers that believe their "special"and deserve to be first.

Can you imagine some of these folks in self driving vehicles trusting the vehicle to manipulate a round-a-bout:22yikes:

[rubicon]

Everyday as I travel Buena Vista towards Sumter Landing, I am passed by Out Of State cars going 45-50 mph. Don't the speed limits apply to them?

Its not 50 mp there:D Actually that area under discussion is heavily patrolled with radar and the fines are heavy

[golfing eagles]

Hi dbussone: Some drivers purposefully use both lanes in an effort to control traffic behind them... not so good. However, on the other hand when there is a traffic jam on a interstate with only one lane open its a good thing when a semi blocks off traffic forcing drivers to alternate and assisting in alleviating the back up. something that should be obvious to drivers but then we do have drivers that believe their "special"and deserve to be first.

Can you imagine some of these folks in self driving vehicles trusting the vehicle to manipulate a round-a-bout:22yikes:

Do you really think it helps? Every time I see this, all it does is move the merge point back ANOTHER 1/2 mile or so---same pile up, that's just what happens when 2 lanes merge to 1. Yes, there are always a few clowns that try to sneak a couple of cars ahead and ride the closed lane to the end, but I don't think they contribute much to the back-up.
Meanwhile, who the h*ll do truck drivers think they are to dictate traffic flow to everyone else? They are not LEOs, they don't make the rules. If I were LEO I'd ticket every one of them for not staying in their lane! Same is true in a RB if the driver INTENTIONALLY tries to control everybody else. I've been driving for 45 years , I don't need my Mommy on the road. End of rant.

[tomwed]

I was on Utah highway a few years ago. That's along way from home for me. There was an accident way up ahead. A police car got in front of me, put on his lights and slowed all a lanes down to 35mph. I think it was a a brilliant way to control traffic making it safe for the road people and ambulances up ahead.

This is not meant to support or contradict anyone. It's just an aside to a common conversation on TOTV. It's raining.

[golfing eagles]

I was on Utah highway a few years ago. That's along way from home for me. There was an accident way up ahead. A police car got in front of me, put on his lights and slowed all a lanes down to 35mph. I think it was a a brilliant way to control traffic making it safe for the road people and ambulances up ahead.

This is not meant to support or contradict anyone. It's just an aside to a common conversation on TOTV. It's raining.

That's fine. And if they want to put a LEO out directing traffic, all the better. But private citizens do not have the authority to dictate their terms to others, LEO does.

[Nucky]

I don't really care at all yet but I think it's possible that people don't have this type of intersection in the places they lived in their whole life. I saw some dopey thing's on the road while in TV but took them in stride because of the way things are on the road in N.J. It's gotta be rough being at an advanced age and having to negotiate a rotary, roundabout, circle for the first time after driving for so long without having to negotiate a road like this. Defensive driving at all times is the answer because the dopey things will never ever stop.

[Topspinmo]

Do you really think it helps? Every time I see this, all it does is move the merge point back ANOTHER 1/2 mile or so---same pile up, that's just what happens when 2 lanes merge to 1. Yes, there are always a few clowns that try to sneak a couple of cars ahead and ride the closed lane to the end, but I don't think they contribute much to the back-up.
Meanwhile, who the h*ll do truck drivers think they are to dictate traffic flow to everyone else? They are not LEOs, they don't make the rules. If I were LEO I'd ticket every one of them for not staying in their lane! Same is true in a RB if the driver INTENTIONALLY tries to control everybody else. I've been driving for 45 years , I don't need my Mommy on the road. End of rant.


I for one not going to argue with 18 wheelie, I stay clear of them. You never know what's going to pop (fall) out the sides, or when tire may come bouncing off the spare rack, or blowout with huge chunks of rubber flying towards you.If they want lane or both lanes I don't get ****ed just get out of the road.

I use to live up north, I was especially concerned when I seen car or truck pass with huge chunk of ice or snow build up on the roofs which could come flying off any minute. :rant-rave: End od rant.

[Inexes@aol.com]

Saw the same thing recently at Buena Vista and 466..... R turn out of L turn lane..... across 3 lanes of traffic...... Lord help us all.