So where is the news this morning about the sailors captured by Iranians?

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Either it was stated all is well and everybody went their way safely with no incident.

Or it is being surpressed?

Which is it?

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I found something.

Obama's usual tactic in confrontation with his coveted Iranian/Islamic commrades:

US apologises for Iran naval incursion - Revolutionary Guards - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35299930)

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As is customary posters(s) on this forum have no idea what they are talking about. The only things embarrassing about this event are we were indeed in Iranian waters and were caught and the Republicans reaction before any facts were out. The Senator from Arkansas, Tom Cotton, was in front of a camera belittling the President of the United States. He may be a veteran but that is not a license to be stupid. I'm not sure if Obama ordered those craft into those waters but I suspect probably not, kind of like bombing the hell out of that hospital last month.

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As is customary posters(s) on this forum have no idea what they are talking about. The only things embarrassing about this event are we were indeed in Iranian waters and were caught and the Republicans reaction before any facts were out. The Senator from Arkansas, Tom Cotton, was in front of a camera belittling the President of the United States. He may be a veteran but that is not a license to be stupid. I'm not sure if Obama ordered those craft into those waters but I suspect probably not, kind of like bombing the hell out of that hospital last month.

I agree with you...the speculation is that one of the boats ran out of gas so now the President of the United States is responsible for fueling Naval Vessels.

LOL!! :22yikes:

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I agree with you...the speculation is that one of the boats ran out of gas so now the President of the United States is responsible for fueling Naval Vessels.

LOL!! :22yikes:

Why not? He likes to take credit for killing Bin Laden and wasn't even on the same continent as Bin Laden at the time.

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Why not? He likes to take credit for killing Bin Laden and wasn't even on the same continent as Bin Laden at the time.

It really ****es you off that the Democrat got Bin Laden and your hero GW Bush
talked a good game but never tried to get him.

You all never met an issue you couldn't make into war but your all paper tigers.

All blow and no show!

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It really ****es you off that the Democrat got Bin Laden and your hero GW Bush
talked a good game but never tried to get him.

You all never met an issue you couldn't make into war but your all paper tigers.

All blow and no show!

New flash! The Navy Seals got Bin Laden, not Obama. But, in your distorted view of the Obama is the hero.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

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New flash! The Navy Seals got Bin Laden, not Obama. But, in your distorted view of the Obama is the hero.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And who gave the okay to do it? There would not have been a raid unless President Obama said yes!

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And who gave the okay to do it? There would not have been a raid unless President Obama said yes!

Are you serious? That's it? That's Obama's claim to fame, that he give the Seals permission to conduct the raid?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

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Are you serious? That's it? That's Obama's claim to fame, that he give the Seals permission to conduct the raid?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Everybody knows that event was Panetta's doing. And it happened to be on Obama's watch.

An eventuality that has been underway for years, or I should say since Clinton gave him safe harbor, and it came to fruition during the Obama time in office....not as a result of any special initiatives our lead from behing commander initiated!

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So Obie got Binny and Bush got Sadaam. Binny was an old broken down and retired wannabee terrorist and Sadaam was still killing his own people until we attacked and then he went into hiding. But, he is responsible for killing close to half a million people with WMDs and then continued to terrorize his own people by kidnapping young women with his brother, raping them and killing them. So, if Oblama wants credit for killing a has-been that qualified to appear on Dancing with the Stars, then Bush gets credit for Sadaam. Either way, they are both past tense.

This has nothing to do with captured sailors.

Even though we have no idea what they were doing at the time they were captured, take into consideration that most Maritime law acknowledges 12 mile coastal waters as a country's territorial controlled waters. From what I read, they were not within that area, but Iran has a tendency to dictate their own maritime territory. I am not saying that they did NOT violate Iran's waters, but I haven't read anything yet that has given us any confirmed details. It may have also been a covert mission, for all anyone might know or guess. I am sure that the media will expose the details before long.

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As is customary posters(s) on this forum have no idea what they are talking about. The only things embarrassing about this event are we were indeed in Iranian waters and were caught and the Republicans reaction before any facts were out. The Senator from Arkansas, Tom Cotton, was in front of a camera belittling the President of the United States. He may be a veteran but that is not a license to be stupid. I'm not sure if Obama ordered those craft into those waters but I suspect probably not, kind of like bombing the hell out of that hospital last month.

happens the world over time and again. What's different? Well our sec. of state made statements without knowing all the facts...as in geneva conventions violations by Iran...oh I guess that doesn't count with your ilk. As for being stupid how about ignoring the rocket test by Iran? Of continuing self love of our prez over the iran deal when they haven't even signed the agreement?

So it readily appears you too are without a clue...perhaps throwing stones from your glass house should be curtailed before you open mouth and insert both feet.

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happens the world over time and again. What's different? Well our sec. of state made statements without knowing all the facts...as in geneva conventions violations by Iran...oh I guess that doesn't count with your ilk. As for being stupid how about ignoring the rocket test by Iran? Of continuing self love of our prez over the iran deal when they haven't even signed the agreement?

So it readily appears you too are without a clue...perhaps throwing stones from your glass house should be curtailed before you open mouth and insert both feet.

But, you might consider washing them first. chilout

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happens the world over time and again. What's different? Well our sec. of state made statements without knowing all the facts...as in geneva conventions violations by Iran...oh I guess that doesn't count with your ilk. As for being stupid how about ignoring the rocket test by Iran? Of continuing self love of our prez over the iran deal when they haven't even signed the agreement?

So it readily appears you too are without a clue...perhaps throwing stones from your glass house should be curtailed before you open mouth and insert both feet.
It has nothing to do with loving this President but everything to do about respecting the Presidency. Irreparable damage has been down to the office that will not change with a new president. There are just as many disrespectful people like yourself on the other side. The genie is out of the bottle. It would be nice to see so called patriotic conservatives using the cranial capacity that God gave them rather than parroting Sean Hannity all the time. Come up with some new material. Please.

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It has nothing to do with loving this President but everything to do about respecting the Presidency. Irreparable damage has been down to the office that will not change with a new president. There are just as many disrespectful people like yourself on the other side. The genie is out of the bottle. It would be nice to see so called patriotic conservatives using the cranial capacity that God gave them rather than parroting Sean Hannity all the time. Come up with some new material. Please.

Liberals! What can you say? They say a photo is worth a thousand words. Here's someone's concept of liberals:

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New flash! The Navy Seals got Bin Laden, not Obama. But, in your distorted view of the Obama is the hero.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Fuzzy logic as to a chain of command. Haha.

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New flash! The Navy Seals got Bin Laden, not Obama. But, in your distorted view of the Obama is the hero.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Well, at least he didn't tell them to stand down when they had him in their sights, like Clinton did when he was Pres. Even though his policies suck, pulling a Clinton would have lowered him another level. Of course, he is also responsible for Hillary's Benghazi debacle. But, why don't we wait and see how this episode of the Iranians and the U.S. sailors pans out before we assign any more blame to the bungler-in-chief? Heaven knows that he has been given enough blame to make him a pariah in the history books.

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Fuzzy logic as to a chain of command. Haha.

Fuzzy logic? How so?

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Fuzzy logic? How so?
If you condemn someone to death it's not the hangman who only gets the credit.

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If you condemn someone to death it's not the hangman who only gets the credit.

Good point, chi. :thumbup:

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If you condemn someone to death it's not the hangman who only gets the credit.

So by your logic, WHEN one of Obama's released Gitmo detainees kills someone, I should expect Obama to hold a press conference and accept responsibility for it? Fat chance.

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North Korea H bomb
Iran missile launch
Cuba in possession of America's hellfire missile
Iran nuclear deal
Iran detains 10 American sailors
Obama has entered into a strategic and advent guard
etc etc etc
Its clear Obama and company have absolutely no shame
Its gotten so bad that the once sacrosant belief that one always shows respect for the position of President is no longer true because Obama allowed this position to be battered, viewed as weak, incompetent, indecisive, lawless, deceitful, and clueless that it will take no one less than Jesus Christ himself to rehabilitate it.

Personal Best Regards:

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So by your logic, WHEN one of Obama's released Gitmo detainees kills someone, I should expect Obama to hold a press conference and accept responsibility for it? Fat chance.

I usually blame Obama, since he is the dumbnut that released them. Unconstitutionally, by the way. That makes it a bit worst, don't you think? But, you are right, I do not expect him to take the blame. It's Bush's fault, always is, always will be. But, unlike Obie one, Bush can handle adversity. There's a difference between a man and a boy. It's called character and strength. Bush did release some of the lower level animals from jail, and they probably did return to their bad habits. Should have executed all of them, just like they beheaded a bunch of our fellow Americans and allies.

Oops, my bad. Liberals will be getting after me for using the "execution" word. Liberals believe in sanctity of life....except when it comes to innocent babies. Then they can be used to prolong their lives.

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North Korea H bomb
Iran missile launch
Cuba in possession of America's hellfire missile
Iran nuclear deal
Iran detains 10 American sailors
Obama has entered into a strategic and advent guard
etc etc etc
Its clear Obama and company have absolutely no shame
Its gotten so bad that the once sacrosant belief that one always shows respect for the position of President is no longer true because Obama allowed this position to be battered, viewed as weak, incompetent, indecisive, lawless, deceitful, and clueless that it will take no one less than Jesus Christ himself to rehabilitate it.

Personal Best Regards:

The man does not believe in a strong America. He and his wife were anti America, anti white activists before they fooled their way into the WH.
His actions for the past 7 years are consistent with his race based, anti American views....he is what his past dictates....

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Everybody knows that event was Panetta's doing And it happened to be on Obama's watch..

An eventuality that has been underway for years, or I should say since Clinton gave him safe harbor, and it came to fruition during the Obama time in office....not as a result of any special initiatives our lead from behing commander initiated!

Geez, you must have been there to know all these intimate details. "Everybody knows that event was Panetta's doing "

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Geez, you must have been there to know all these intimate details. "Everybody knows that event was Panetta's doing "

Well, almost everybody.

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On Fox, there was a "retired" Army captain who said the sailors in the disabled boat should have fought to the last person to avoid capture by the Iranian soldiers. He also said that they should have tried escaping while being held overnight. It is amazing how Fox finds these lunatics. :thumbup:

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Geez, you must have been there to know all these intimate details. "Everybody knows that event was Panetta's doing "

Yeah, he was the GS-4 clerk-typist!

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On Fox, there was a "retired" Army captain who said the sailors in the disabled boat should have fought to the last person to avoid capture by the Iranian soldiers. He also said that they should have tried escaping while being held overnight. It is amazing how Fox finds these lunatics. :thumbup:

Under Obama's rules of engagement when US armed forces are confronted by any Islamic military, the US military are to put their hands up and state they are sorry.

Does anybody but me wonder how 10 US military armed to the teeth on 40-50 mile per hour attack boats were captured without so much as a shot being fired?

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I have to believe there is more to this than we are being given. Even the pentagon is keeping it a secret. Probably a covert mission of some sort, that uncleared citizens do not have a need to know.

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I have to believe there is more to this than we are being given. Even the pentagon is keeping it a secret. Probably a covert mission of some sort, that uncleared citizens do not have a need to know.

So if one boat REALLY was having engine trouble why did they not hook up and run for it? Not a shot being fired?

Very difficult to defend one's self with hands in the air!!!

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So if one boat REALLY was having engine trouble why did they not hook up and run for it? Not a shot being fired?

Very difficult to defend one's self with hands in the air!!!

We don't know what their orders were, and we may never get the full or correct story. You do realize that we still do have some secrets in the gov, besides the ones that Hillary may have jeopardized? Covert missions are called "covert" for a reason. And I am using supposition when I am supplying a probable scenario that it might have been a secret mission.

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Under Obama's rules of engagement when US armed forces are confronted by any Islamic military, the US military are to put their hands up and state they are sorry.

Does anybody but me wonder how 10 US military armed to the teeth on 40-50 mile per hour attack boats were captured without so much as a shot being fired?
And your theory is.........

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Theory? We don't need no stinkin' theory when there is obvious messing with the truth by top ranking officials.

Secretary of defense stating the problem was a navigational error.
Really?
Highly trained, heavily armed, high speed pursuit and escape speed boats BOTH have a navigational problem?

I don't think so.

Imagine two cars in the family going to the same place using their respective GPS in each car. One starts to leave the lane and exit the highway while the other shows continuing on the current road. What do you think the immediate reaction of one or the other will be?

The secretary of defense should have a guy like Obama has Josh to tell tall tales and act as though they were true. Allows the top guy deniability when or if needed.

Two boats....navigational error?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

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Are you serious? That's it? That's Obama's claim to fame, that he give the Seals permission to conduct the raid?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

What did Bush do...got us in to 2 wars, one against a country that had not attacked us a first for the United States. Stood on a ship to declare major combat operations were complete and we had prevailed. Seriously, tell that to my nephew who did 5 tours in the Middle East a earned a Purple Heart after he said that.

And we are still there.

Bush didn't get even try to bring him to justice.

Republicans = Chicken Hawks

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What did Bush do...got us in to 2 wars, one against a country that had not attacked us a first for the United States. Stood on a ship to declare major combat operations were complete and we had prevailed. Seriously, tell that to my nephew who did 5 tours in the Middle East a earned a Purple Heart after he said that.

And we are still there.

Bush didn't get even try to bring him to justice.

Republicans = Chicken Hawks

If there was even a thread of possible truth above it is suspect when one continues to flaunt the "mission accomplished" wrong story ......just to fit their agenda.
Results in just so much :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

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What did Bush do...got us in to 2 wars, one against a country that had not attacked us a first for the United States. Stood on a ship to declare major combat operations were complete and we had prevailed. Seriously, tell that to my nephew who did 5 tours in the Middle East a earned a Purple Heart after he said that.

And we are still there.

Bush didn't get even try to bring him to justice.

Republicans = Chicken Hawks

Your nephew?? What about you?

Bush got us into two wars? Obama is so chicken sh// that we now have the whole middle East exploding, terrorism running rampant and Iran with a nuclear weapon. I would rather we fight overseas, than here in the U.S. When you are running for your life here, I bet you will feel that way too. Then you can brag about someone ELSE that you know fighting for your liberty. In the meantime, your messiah in D.C. can continue to bow to the enemy and abandon our people serving overseas when they are in need of rescue...ie, Benghazi. While Americans worry about terrorism in the U.S. Obama will attempt to eliminate our guns so that we can't protect ourselves. So, while you live in the past and depend on your "nephew" to protect your lifestyle, the rest of us will be thinking of the future and how WE can protect our families. Your attempt to blame Bush for Obama's failures is not only old and weak, but pathetic. I 'm not going to ask you what you did for your country, because I know that it is easy for you to make something up off the cuff. Everyone knows someone that has sacrificed for their country. We also know a lot of you that have enjoyed the fruits of their sacrifice. Remember, Bush led a coalition, and Obama leads from behind, also known as a follower. Where I come from, following is not leading. Losers follow leaders. Obama followed Bush, so therefore Obama is a loser. But, he gets a trophy for participation....the Nobel peace prize....:1rotfl:
Bet most Americans will tell you that they felt safer with Bush leading than this coward we have bowing to the enemy. Bet you wouldn't take that bet.