Hacking democracy- for voters

[Guest]

Dont know if anyone has seen the HBO Documentary called Hacking Democracy or not. My wife and I watched it last night. I thought we went to electronic voting boxes to simplify and make sure the integity of the voting process was kept intact. If you have not seen this movie, maybe check it it out before voting this election. Gives you an eye opening thought into is your vote correct and safe. This is not a Republican or Democrat issue. It is a voters issue. They have a web site also.

http://www.hackingdemocracy.com

Let me know what you think....

[Guest]

Dont know if anyone has seen the HBO Documentary called Hacking Democracy or not. My wife and I watched it last night. I thought we went to electronic voting boxes to simplify and make sure the integity of the voting process was kept intact. If you have not seen this movie, maybe check it it out before voting this election. Gives you an eye opening thought into is your vote correct and safe. This is not a Republican or Democrat issue. It is a voters issue. They have a web site also.

http://www.hackingdemocracy.com

Let me know what you think....

Incredibly scary, but somehow not totaly suprising.

[Guest]

Incredibly scary, but somehow not totaly suprising.


dont know if you seen the movie, but they actually fixed a voting maching in tallahassee and it missed counted the votes on the print out and the tabulating computer. In Volusia County Kerry had 16,000 votes subtracted from his total.

[Guest]

Unfortunately, Michael Moore has ruined the genre of documentaries for me. I can no longer look at a documentary without thinking what biases of the filmmaker are finding their way into the movie.

[Guest]

Don't be fooled by all the accusations about ACORN. The real voting scandal is the voter suppression methods that likely swayed election results in 2000 and 2004, and are in process again as you read this.

Most of the news has focused on John McCain's accusations that ACORN is perpetrating a major vote fraud. The problems with ACORNs work that have surfaced involve registration, not voting. The truth is that ACORN, a group that organizes poor people, has been registering record numbers to vote: a jaw-dropping 1.3 million -- mostly low-income people, people of color, and young people.

ACORN readily admit that a tiny fraction of the 13,000 canvassers they hired turned in faulty registrations. "If they had too many mistakes or problems, we fired that person," Brian Mellor, senior counsel for Project Vote, said in an article in the New York Daily News. But the organization has no choice about turning in the faulty forms; most states require that every registration form filled out be handed over to election officials. "I personally went to the office of the Clark County [Nevada] board of elections in July and told them we're bringing these forms in, we've separated the ones that have problems," he said. "You should investigate and prosecute those you feel necessary. They told us they weren't interested."

But there's little chance that these errors will result in improper voting on election day, much less affect outcomes. According to researcher Lorraine C. Minnite, of Columbia University, a total of 24 people, across the U.S., were found guilty of voter fraud between 2002 and 2005 -- an average of eight per year.

This issue of voter fraud is a smokescreen designed to cover a much more serious issue with a long and ugly history: the suppression of the vote of groups that tend to vote Democratic -- especially the poor, minorities, and young people.
In the current issue of Rolling Stone magazine, Greg Palast and Robert Kennedy Jr. show that thousands of voters have been disenfranchised in key swing states, dating back to the 2000 election, and continuing today. Techniques include purging voter registration rolls in targeted districts, challenging voters, requiring excessive identification, and discarding ballots.

There are also cases where heavily Democratic districts get few voting machines, resulting in long lines, while Republican precincts in the same county are well stocked, with no waiting to vote. Reports are already coming in of scare tactics repeated from the last two elections, especially flyers and posters warning that voters will be arrested at the polls if they have so much as an unpaid parking ticket.

Then there are the infamous black box voting machines, which, computer scientists warn, can't be secured or audited. There are already reports of voting machines in West Virginia flipping Obama votes to John McCain during early voting.

This country has a long and ugly history of suppressing the votes of minorities and poor people, and today's voter suppression tactics follow in that shameful tradition.

[Guest]

If ACORN is so above board why are they being investigated in 17 states???

[Guest]

:boxing2: maybe enough of the ACORN deal, i believe between myself and others we have beat that monster to death. one of the deals depending on which side of the ball your own.


This thread here is about the voting machines and how you might think your vote is safe. if you can get the movie and watch it, think and see what you think could happen. evidently it is going on. Not even the elections supervisor is aloud to see inside or mess with these things. Only the Company itself can get into them. For 20 plus million i want to know the vote is safe forsure.

[Guest]

Don't be fooled by all the accusations about ACORN. The real voting scandal is the voter suppression methods that likely swayed election results in 2000 and 2004, and are in process again as you read this.

Most of the news has focused on John McCain's accusations that ACORN is perpetrating a major vote fraud. The problems with ACORNs work that have surfaced involve registration, not voting. The truth is that ACORN, a group that organizes poor people, has been registering record numbers to vote: a jaw-dropping 1.3 million -- mostly low-income people, people of color, and young people.

ACORN readily admit that a tiny fraction of the 13,000 canvassers they hired turned in faulty registrations. "If they had too many mistakes or problems, we fired that person," Brian Mellor, senior counsel for Project Vote, said in an article in the New York Daily News. But the organization has no choice about turning in the faulty forms; most states require that every registration form filled out be handed over to election officials. "I personally went to the office of the Clark County [Nevada] board of elections in July and told them we're bringing these forms in, we've separated the ones that have problems," he said. "You should investigate and prosecute those you feel necessary. They told us they weren't interested."

But there's little chance that these errors will result in improper voting on election day, much less affect outcomes. According to researcher Lorraine C. Minnite, of Columbia University, a total of 24 people, across the U.S., were found guilty of voter fraud between 2002 and 2005 -- an average of eight per year.

This issue of voter fraud is a smokescreen designed to cover a much more serious issue with a long and ugly history: the suppression of the vote of groups that tend to vote Democratic -- especially the poor, minorities, and young people.
In the current issue of Rolling Stone magazine, Greg Palast and Robert Kennedy Jr. show that thousands of voters have been disenfranchised in key swing states, dating back to the 2000 election, and continuing today. Techniques include purging voter registration rolls in targeted districts, challenging voters, requiring excessive identification, and discarding ballots.

There are also cases where heavily Democratic districts get few voting machines, resulting in long lines, while Republican precincts in the same county are well stocked, with no waiting to vote. Reports are already coming in of scare tactics repeated from the last two elections, especially flyers and posters warning that voters will be arrested at the polls if they have so much as an unpaid parking ticket.

Then there are the infamous black box voting machines, which, computer scientists warn, can't be secured or audited. There are already reports of voting machines in West Virginia flipping Obama votes to John McCain during early voting.

This country has a long and ugly history of suppressing the votes of minorities and poor people, and today's voter suppression tactics follow in that shameful tradition.


WOW. Well stated, pertinant, and on point.....unfortunately frightening and nauseating at the same time.