Destruction of the gate arms......

[kcrazorbackfan]

What is it with the destruction of gate arms throughout TV? The last 3 weeks the one at the entrance to St. James via St. Charles has been knocked down 4 times. Today, we went through the exit side of the gate from Morse to 466 and both arms were torn down. With all the money that was spent upgrading the cameras at the gates to HD, will drivers have to pay for these idiot acts?

[fred53]

My turn to state the obvious...over age 55 community...many in their 70's, 80's & 90's. Many still driving when they should not...can't see squat...have the reflex's of a stick and still think they should be driving. Also many people on cell phones, chatting(and when you're older your attention span is sometimes that of a 3 year old).

Now go on...add it all up and it's a wonder there are not more accidents. The gate arms should be made of nerf and the posts at some of the cart intersections should be that flexible flat plastic that just bounces right back up when run over.

Now I could get into the bazillion meds people take. Many that tell you not to drive/operate heavy machinery(some folks don't think a 3000b car is heavy machinery)while on them. Many say they can cause dizziness, blurred vision and sleepiness.

So you're probably getting the picture now. Lastly take into account all those renters who come here to party and think....woooheee...I'm in the villages and I don't live that far...few cops around...lets drive home drunk...whooop! Was that a gate arm I hit? Nah...didn't feel a thing.....

[kcrazorbackfan]

My turn to state the obvious...over age 55 community...many in their 70's, 80's & 90's. Many still driving when they should not...can't see squat...have the reflex's of a stick and still think they should be driving. Also many people on cell phones, chatting(and when you're older your attention span is sometimes that of a 3 year old).

Now go on...add it all up and it's a wonder there are not more accidents. The gate arms should be made of nerf and the posts at some of the cart intersections should be that flexible flat plastic that just bounces right back up when run over.

Now I could get into the bazillion meds people take. Many that tell you not to drive/operate heavy machinery(some folks don't think a 3000b car is heavy machinery)while on them. Many say they can cause dizziness, blurred vision and sleepiness.

So you're probably getting the picture now. Lastly take into account all those renters who come here to party and think....woooheee...I'm in the villages and I don't live that far...few cops around...lets drive home drunk...whooop! Was that a gate arm I hit? Nah...didn't feel a thing.....

Thanks for stating the obvious, I started to but decided to dial it down. These are probably part of the same group that the online news runs an article about every couple of days that also can't park without taking 2-3 slots. It's sad to think this person is still driving, but there was a gentleman that brought his garage door opener into a golf shop the other day to see if they could get it to start working because his wife's opener worked and his wouldn't.

[NYGUY]

My turn to state the obvious...over age 55 community...many in their 70's, 80's & 90's. Many still driving when they should not...can't see squat...have the reflex's of a stick and still think they should be driving. Also many people on cell phones, chatting(and when you're older your attention span is sometimes that of a 3 year old).

Now go on...add it all up and it's a wonder there are not more accidents. The gate arms should be made of nerf and the posts at some of the cart intersections should be that flexible flat plastic that just bounces right back up when run over.

Now I could get into the bazillion meds people take. Many that tell you not to drive/operate heavy machinery(some folks don't think a 3000b car is heavy machinery)while on them. Many say they can cause dizziness, blurred vision and sleepiness.

So you're probably getting the picture now. Lastly take into account all those renters who come here to party and think....woooheee...I'm in the villages and I don't live that far...few cops around...lets drive home drunk...whooop! Was that a gate arm I hit? Nah...didn't feel a thing.....

Sad but true, but also true for many pre-seniors!!

[Phanatic Luvr]

I go through the St. James gates several times a day, and you are right, it seems like it is always down. I personally love the people that pull up to a gate which is knocked down, with a big red stop sign in sight and there they are, swiping their card up and down. I swear, one of these day I may have to just drag one of them out of their cars. Of course I'm kidding but ....

[MikeV]

One complaint I have about the gates is they don't reflect very well at night because they are higher than the standard headlights on a coupe or sedan. I have a very hard time seeing them at night because of this.

[Bogie Shooter]

But you do know a gate is there right? So stop!

[Bogie Shooter]

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[graciegirl]

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I agree. The arms on the gates will be broken repeatedly in January, February and March. It is a capitalist plot. It keeps the gate repairers in work. It is done by drunken folks under fifty and some folks who are in a tearing hurry who don't live here and pay amenities. There are some old geezers in the fray too.


Please, OP, use the search function above and type in broken gates. This will bring up the opinion by many that we don't need them. I say they slow things down so golf cart's can cross in many instances and that we can tell our snooty cousins we live in a gated community.


If you want to amuse yourself, there are links to the cameras showing folks breaking the gate arms, somewhere. They SHOULD pay, but folks SHOULD stop in a hit and run too, like they used to. The world is becoming very strange indeed.


Good morning all. We didn't have a tornado. I'm tired, I didn't sleep well.

[Uberschaf]

Maybe we need these: https://goo.gl/Ym0Opx

[dbussone]

Maybe we need these: https://goo.gl/Ym0Opx

Now THAT would work. The only issue I see though is that it apparently takes out the driver as well as the vehicle. Of course, that could also prove to be the long term solution for dealing with people who drive through the gate arms.

Good job finding that!

[looneycat]

My turn to state the obvious...over age 55 community...many in their 70's, 80's & 90's. Many still driving when they should not...can't see squat...have the reflex's of a stick and still think they should be driving. Also many people on cell phones, chatting(and when you're older your attention span is sometimes that of a 3 year old).

Now go on...add it all up and it's a wonder there are not more accidents. The gate arms should be made of nerf and the posts at some of the cart intersections should be that flexible flat plastic that just bounces right back up when run over.

Now I could get into the bazillion meds people take. Many that tell you not to drive/operate heavy machinery(some folks don't think a 3000b car is heavy machinery)while on them. Many say they can cause dizziness, blurred vision and sleepiness.

So you're probably getting the picture now. Lastly take into account all those renters who come here to party and think....woooheee...I'm in the villages and I don't live that far...few cops around...lets drive home drunk...whooop! Was that a gate arm I hit? Nah...didn't feel a thing.....

nope, just look at some of the videos.95% of the gate breaks are from people too lazy or stupid to stop, instead they try to fly through while it is still open from the person ahead of them. the only age correlation is that younger people may be just as much to blame as are older.

[spring_chicken]

I've watched the videos, and oddly the overwhelming majority of them appear to be over 60. The one who crashed the Morse gate was also over 60, because I watched it happen and know who they are. They actually went past the open gate on a golf cart, realized they made a mistake, and then BACKED into the gate arm, breaking it off. The gate attendant walked out, picked up the broken gate, and directed them which way to go in a golf cart. Didn't even ask for name.

[cquick]

IMO, the gates going south from Morse to 466 are unnecessary. There is a stop light there.

[Greg Nelson]

I know a 94 year old TV gentleman who told me he didn't feel safe driving a car anymore and then got in his golf cart..woosh!

[leftyf]

The arms should be made out of a rubber material so they just bend. The only thing damaged would be the car.

[Buckeye Bob]

Are there tornado sirens in the Villages?

[tomwed]

I've seen and posted the videos.
I want to know if they get caught and fined. Fined enough to pay for the damage and maybe a little something extra.
I like the nurf idea too, to install something non-destructive. I used to be a HS shop teacher. We would spend a bit of time on inventions. This would be a great assignment:
build a scaled down gate system that is non-destructive but does force the driver to come to a stop.
Maybe that's the solution. Send the assignment to all the HS shop teachers in the state and see where it goes. hmmmmmmmm

[Buckeye Bob]

I agree. The arms on the gates will be broken repeatedly in January, February and March. It is a capitalist plot. It keeps the gate repairers in work. It is done by drunken folks under fifty and some folks who are in a tearing hurry who don't live here and pay amenities. There are some old geezers in the fray too.


Please, OP, use the search function above and type in broken gates. This will bring up the opinion by many that we don't need them. I say they slow things down so golf cart's can cross in many instances and that we can tell our snooty cousins we live in a gated community.


If you want to amuse yourself, there are links to the cameras showing folks breaking the gate arms, somewhere. They SHOULD pay, but folks SHOULD stop in a hit and run too, like they used to. The world is becoming very strange indeed.


Good morning all. We didn't have a tornado. I'm tired, I didn't sleep well.

Are there tornado sirens in the Villages?:shrug:

[justjim]

nope, just look at some of the videos.95% of the gate breaks are from people too lazy or stupid to stop, instead they try to fly through while it is still open from the person ahead of them. the only age correlation is that younger people may be just as much to blame as are older.

Looneycat: You are correct about cars flying through a gate while it is still open from the car in front of them. I almost got "creamed" a couple days ago from a car in the resident side of the entrance to St. James. If I hadn't been alert we would still be in the hospital . Be careful out there.

[Taltarzac725]

Are there tornado sirens in the Villages?

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/does-villages-have-weather-sirens-38289/

Does not look like it.

I see they are putting more cameras in at various gates.

[graciegirl]

I've watched the videos, and oddly the overwhelming majority of them appear to be over 60. The one who crashed the Morse gate was also over 60, because I watched it happen and know who they are. They actually went past the open gate on a golf cart, realized they made a mistake, and then BACKED into the gate arm, breaking it off. The gate attendant walked out, picked up the broken gate, and directed them which way to go in a golf cart. Didn't even ask for name.


Maybe they only take names of younger people who break the gates????




Someday...way too soon, you will get old too. Then what?

[rubicon]

:popcorn: what gate?:)

[dbussone]

Are there tornado sirens in the Villages?


Not for the gate arms

[dbussone]

Are there tornado sirens in the Villages?:shrug:


NO. Why are you shrugging on a thread about gate arms? ::shrug::
::jester::

[looneycat]

I've watched the videos, and oddly the overwhelming majority of them appear to be over 60. The one who crashed the Morse gate was also over 60, because I watched it happen and know who they are. They actually went past the open gate on a golf cart, realized they made a mistake, and then BACKED into the gate arm, breaking it off. The gate attendant walked out, picked up the broken gate, and directed them which way to go in a golf cart. Didn't even ask for name.

the overwhelming majority of residents are over 60, that's a surprise to you? they only are more frequent because they frequent the gate more. a single instance hardly sets the tone considering how often and in how many places gates are knocked off.

[CFrance]

Not for the gate arms
:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[looneycat]

Not for the gate arms

well, they will flap wildly...:pepper2:

[CFrance]

NO. Why are you shrugging on a thread about gate arms? ::shrug::
::jester::
See post #2, last line. Do you know my son, DB? He never reads past the first two sentences of any communication.:shrug:

[dbussone]

See post #2, last line. Do you know my son, DB? He never reads past the first two sentences of any communication.:shrug:


Oh! Mom. I've searched everywhere for you. I miss you so much.

I'm broke. Please send money. :)

[CFrance]

Oh! Mom. I've searched everywhere for you.

I'm broke. Please send money. :)
What was that, again? I didn't read the last line...:evil6:

[dbussone]

What was that, again? I didn't read the last line...:evil6:


I read it that time. CF, you are a card! Thanks for the laugh.

[Miles42]

This has been said before. There is no cure for stupid.

[dmorhome]

gates thats a joke.

[PaPaLarry]

Maybe a garage door would be better at every gate????? :) :) :) :)

[Vivii]

just because people are old (elder) does not mean rudeness and disrespect are acceptable -- behavior at the gates by many really sour the idea of the friendly hometown of The Villages---------a little respect toward rules, property and fellow human beings should be the rule of every day --- if you are guilty of speeding, ignoring road / path instructions and being nasty--JUST STOP IT ALREADY

[arickis]

I really think the "Nerf Gate Arms" is worth exploring!

[Bradley60]

My wife parked at the Colony health center ,inside the white lines. When she came out ,some a--hole had hit her new car. It was only 8 days old. $1800 damage. The a--hole didn't,t leave a note or even go inside to tell the ladies at the front desk. The rudeness and audacity of these a--holes is rediculous.. What ever happened to being upfront and honest. Guess that leaves people when they move to the villages. Fed up with this sh--. Wake up people.

[arickis]

I really like the idea of the "Nerf Gate Arms!"

[graciegirl]

My wife parked at the Colony health center ,inside the white lines. When she came out ,some a--hole had hit her new car. It was only 8 days old. $1800 damage. The a--hole didn't,t leave a note or even go inside to tell the ladies at the front desk. The rudeness and audacity of these a--holes is rediculous.. What ever happened to being upfront and honest. Guess that leaves people when they move to the villages. Fed up with this sh--. Wake up people.



On the news, hit and runs are way too common. Even with injury or death.


I wish that one parent could stay home with their small children until they are five. That is when right and wrong is established.


The world is becoming increasingly unruly and uncaring.


I am so sorry to hear about the damage to your wife's car, and I know that whoever did it was probably raised when ethics were taught routinely.


I don't know why people act the way they do.


I do believe that there are more ethical people who are of our age than those now running around the earth under 40. I do believe that.


I think some people are born with tendencies toward selfishness and thinking they can do whatever they please. Good parents can modify some of that but they have to be there 24-7. A lot of good people hand over their toddlers to people they wouldn't trust with their car keys.

[outlaw]

My wife parked at the Colony health center ,inside the white lines. When she came out ,some a--hole had hit her new car. It was only 8 days old. $1800 damage. The a--hole didn't,t leave a note or even go inside to tell the ladies at the front desk. The rudeness and audacity of these a--holes is rediculous.. What ever happened to being upfront and honest. Guess that leaves people when they move to the villages. Fed up with this sh--. Wake up people.

Have you talked to the sheriff's office and Colony management to see if there are any security cameras in that area? Nowadays, they seem to be everywhere.

[Taltarzac725]

Maybe we need these: https://goo.gl/Ym0Opx

https://www.hysecurity.com/operators-accessories/anti-ram-crash/strongarmcrash/strongarmcrash-m50/

Like the music in that. Looks like something you would see at entrances to the Pentagon and other government facilities.

[outlaw]

Is there such a thing as a flexible, spring loaded, or "soft" gate? That sounds like a good business opportunity.

[Irish Rover]

100,000 plus 55 and over people = all the problems you have mentioned. AND a constant state of agitation. Just think about it.

[Bogie Shooter]

My wife parked at the Colony health center ,inside the white lines. When she came out ,some a--hole had hit her new car. It was only 8 days old. $1800 damage. The a--hole didn't,t leave a note or even go inside to tell the ladies at the front desk. The rudeness and audacity of these a--holes is rediculous.. What ever happened to being upfront and honest. Guess that leaves people when they move to the villages. Fed up with this sh--. Wake up people.

This sh-- happens everywhere. How do you know it was a Villager?

[tomwed]

My wife parked at the Colony health center ,inside the white lines. When she came out ,some a--hole had hit her new car. It was only 8 days old. $1800 damage. The a--hole didn't,t leave a note or even go inside to tell the ladies at the front desk. The rudeness and audacity of these a--holes is rediculous.. What ever happened to being upfront and honest. Guess that leaves people when they move to the villages. Fed up with this sh--. Wake up people.
Who are you addressing?
The people on this thread who don't carry insurance?
The people who don't park at the outer bounds of the parking lot where it's safer?
How did we get here if we didn't understand how the world works? Nobody was born here.

[robinsdw2]

That is an excuse. If you have that problem then you probably should not be driving.

[tomwed]

That is an excuse. If you have that problem then you probably should not be driving.
What problem are you referring to?

[robinsdw2]

Is there such a thing as a flexible, spring loaded, or "soft" gate? That sounds like a good business opportunity.

Yeah it should be flexible enough to whach the SH_ _ out of the side of their car and then maybe they would think twice.

[outlaw]

This sh-- happens everywhere. How do you know it was a Villager?

Statistics. Probably was a Villager.

[robinsdw2]

The person that said they couldn't really see the gate arm, it didn't show up well enough

[OhioBuckeye]

You know I don't know what the solution is, but the few times I've been at gates I see somebody going thru the gates correctly by using the gate card, then the person behind them actually will sit there until that person passes the gate then tries to race through the gate. Never seen a gate torn down but these people that try to follow the person ahead of them will hold their hands over their mouths or throw their hands up like, "What Happened". If this is a problem, why doesn't the Villages put up 1 camera at 1 of the biggest problem gates, I know it would be to expensive to put up camera's at all the gates, the Villages spend money on other toys they want, why not 1 camera & this way they could see what's going on, are people not using gate passes, are the ones tearing the gates down Non- Villagers or are they just in to big of a rush to get home to lay on the couch. By the way these security can be rented!

[virgind]

They have cameras at the gates

[Chatbrat]

Looks like gate @ Bailey Trail & Buena Vista-just got whacked

The gate keeper said a drunk blew right thru it.

[bagboy]

You know I don't know what the solution is, but the few times I've been at gates I see somebody going thru the gates correctly by using the gate card, then the person behind them actually will sit there until that person passes the gate then tries to race through the gate. Never seen a gate torn down but these people that try to follow the person ahead of them will hold their hands over their mouths or throw their hands up like, "What Happened". If this is a problem, why doesn't the Villages put up 1 camera at 1 of the biggest problem gates, I know it would be to expensive to put up camera's at all the gates, the Villages spend money on other toys they want, why not 1 camera & this way they could see what's going on, are people not using gate passes, are the ones tearing the gates down Non- Villagers or are they just in to big of a rush to get home to lay on the couch. By the way these security can be rented!

Who are the Villages, and what are the toys you are referring to?

[SCCHAMBY2000@YAHOO.COM]

I agree... Snowbirds are usually the culprits!!! We hardly ever see them down after April to December!!

[tomwed]

The person that said they couldn't really see the gate arm, it didn't show up well enough
That's very true. Because the two posts weren't tied to each other I was confused.

[bunnyhop]

There are cameras at every gate from different angles. Anyone who breaks a gate will be caught on camera and will be found and fined. The fine is $250 per incident. It's a real "eye-opener" for anyone who accidentally (or deliberately) breaks a gate. Cars, carts and bicycles are required to come to a stop before proceeding through a gate for safety reasons (keep speed low enough to avoid hitting carts, bicycles and pedestrians crossing in front of gates). Sometimes it is hard to see the gate when the sun is directly in front of you. Best to just prepare to stop at all gates.

[Gil Chapin]

Since we're addressing the topic of gates, I'm wondering if anyone can help me understand something I've tried to comprehend.

I've heard it said that The Villages is not a gated community but rather a community with gates. It's my understanding that the purpose of the gates is to interrupt vehicular traffic so that carts have a chance to cross the roadway. The roads, although perhaps originally private property, are now public property of the county. Therefore no one can be excluded (hence the "non-resident" lane and the "red button" on single lane gated entrances). However, there are some locations where cart traffic is not an issue, but there is still a gate (e.g., Chula Vista and 466 - that one puzzles me).

My question is, why does a resident need a gate "card"? Why don't the "entrance" gates work like the "exit" gates. Presumably they serve the same purpose. The gate stays down until a vehicle approaches and then closes again after the vehicle passes. Presumably, that allows at least one cart to cross during the vehicle's delay. Is it a timing issue - a fear that vehicles will crowd the vehicle in front of them and the gate will never close until the last vehicle is through? Whether that's an issue with the exits or not, it doesn't seem to require the use of a card to get "out" past the same cart crossing.

What have I misunderstood?

[JoMar]

Lots of posts on this subject, do a search and you will find everyone has a position. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the gate cards provide a data base to determine traffic content, visitors, seasonal residents, residents. No fact on that one, just a comment.

[tomwed]

Lots of posts on this subject, do a search and you will find everyone has a position. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the gate cards provide a data base to determine traffic content, visitors, seasonal residents, residents. No fact on that one, just a comment.
interesting

[Topspinmo]

If it happens late at night IMO Drunks trying to find their way home!!!!!! They probably didn't even know the hit something.

[dbussone]

If it happens late at night IMO Drunks trying to find their way home!!!!!! They probably didn't even know the hit something.

Probably accurate for the most part, but I have seen two in broad daylight recently. People pulling right up to the gate. Stop. And go through the gate when the arm doesn't t raise. Seems they forgot to push the little red button on the visitor side. I do hope they are caught on camera.

[bunnyhop]

All gates have cameras at different angles. Anyone who accidentally (or deliberately) breaks a gate will be found and fined $250. All cars, carts, and bicycles should come to a stop at all gates for safety reasons and to protect those crossing in front of the gates. It is often hard to see the gates when the sun is at a bad angle. That's why it's so important to stop at all gates.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Without reading every response to see if this gate has been referred to, I played Bacall this morning and the "residents" side of the gate on Canal St. (not the "visitors" side, mind you) was knocked down this morning; this is becoming more incredible every day.

[kcrazorbackfan]

just because people are old (elder) does not mean rudeness and disrespect are acceptable -- behavior at the gates by many really sour the idea of the friendly hometown of The Villages---------a little respect toward rules, property and fellow human beings should be the rule of every day --- if you are guilty of speeding, ignoring road / path instructions and being nasty--JUST STOP IT ALREADY

:boom: Well said!

[Flyingnorm]

I was mowing the rough on Kenya golf course, by the restroom on Bonita .A person driving a golf cart drove right thru the gate ,destroyed the gate and kept on driving. A lady in a car behind had to stop and pick up the gate and place it on the side of the road.. I wonder who had to pay for fixing the gate??

[looneycat]

just because people are old (elder) does not mean rudeness and disrespect are acceptable -- behavior at the gates by many really sour the idea of the friendly hometown of The Villages---------a little respect toward rules, property and fellow human beings should be the rule of every day --- if you are guilty of speeding, ignoring road / path instructions and being nasty--JUST STOP IT ALREADY

absolutely right....or you'll get a spanking! unless you like that kind of thing....in which case you won't get a spanking!

[The Buckeyes]

All gates have cameras at different angles. Anyone who accidentally (or deliberately) breaks a gate will be found and fined $250. All cars, carts, and bicycles should come to a stop at all gates for safety reasons and to protect those crossing in front of the gates. It is often hard to see the gates when the sun is at a bad angle. That's why it's so important to stop at all gates.

Hopefully someone is collecting on this problem and, it is a very serious problem as of late. At 6:30 last evening the gate arm was missing from exiting Pinellas Place at Pinellas Plaza and, on the way home the opposite entrance gate arm was drooping severely. What he hell is going on lately!
:spoken:

[graciegirl]

Hopefully someone is collecting on this problem and, it is a very serious problem as of late. At 6:30 last evening the gate arm was missing from exiting Pinellas Place at Pinellas Plaza and, on the way home the opposite entrance gate arm was drooping severely. What he hell is going on lately!
:spoken:


I hope it is not vandalism. There was graffiti on the golf cart bridge and someone broke letters off The Villages sign on 466 near Laurel Valley.


People destroying things for fun makes me furious.

[RickeyD]

We need more guards on the parapets and stock the moats with more gators. Maybe we never should have taken their land and killed all the bison.

[virgind]

Wonder what it is costing us to keep them working. At Canal and Stillwater they worked on that one for days and now I see it still doesnt work.

[spring_chicken]

All gates have cameras at different angles. Anyone who accidentally (or deliberately) breaks a gate will be found and fined $250. All cars, carts, and bicycles should come to a stop at all gates for safety reasons and to protect those crossing in front of the gates. It is often hard to see the gates when the sun is at a bad angle. That's why it's so important to stop at all gates.

They may say that, but they aren't enforcing it. The people I know who backed through one in a golf cart weren't asked for a penny.
BTW, it was at 11 pm and they weren't drunk. It's a common misconception by the in bed by 9 crowd that anyone who stays up later than them is drunk.:shocked:

[graciegirl]

they may say that, but they aren't enforcing it. The people i know who backed through one in a golf cart weren't asked for a penny.
Btw, it was at 11 pm and they weren't drunk. it's a common misconception by the in bed by 9 crowd that anyone who stays up later than them is drunk.:shocked:



???

[Barefoot]

We need more guards on the parapets and stock the moats with more gators. Maybe we never should have taken their land and killed all the bison.
:evil6:

[RickeyD]

:evil6:


You always seem to follow me. I will take that as a compliment.

[golfing eagles]

We need more guards on the parapets and stock the moats with more gators. Maybe we never should have taken their land and killed all the bison.

Maybe if we screw this country up enough they'll take it back

[asianthree]

Sometimes the bright sun plays a part in seeing how close you are to the gate:22yikes:

[photo1902]

:coolsmiley:They may say that, but they aren't enforcing it. The people I know who backed through one in a golf cart weren't asked for a penny.
BTW, it was at 11 pm and they weren't drunk. It's a common misconception by the in bed by 9 crowd that anyone who stays up later than them is drunk.:shocked:

[Bogie Shooter]

They may say that, but they aren't enforcing it. The people I know who backed through one in a golf cart weren't asked for a penny.
BTW, it was at 11 pm and they weren't drunk. It's a common misconception by the in bed by 9 crowd that anyone who stays up later than them is drunk.:shocked:

So they just went in and paid for the damages...............right?

[Harry Gilbert]

A question for the more legally informed than I.

Seeing as these are county owned roads, Does an entity (developer, CDD or anyone else) have a legal right to A. Place a blockage on a county owned road and B. Have a legal recourse to sue for any damages to the blockage?

[kcrazorbackfan]

Ok.......the gate at the entrance to St. James was knocked down again sometimes this afternoon (1-21-16). I approached it about 11am, swiped the card, the gate comes up, I start through it and two guys in a cart that was sitting in the cross-space looked right at me and proceeded to pull right out in front of me. I locked the brakes and missed t-boning them by about a foot.

Are some people just born stupid (those that knock down gates/those that attempt to cause/cause accidents) or do they acquire that trait as soon as they enter the bubble?

[Topspinmo]

They may say that, but they aren't enforcing it. The people I know who backed through one in a golf cart weren't asked for a penny.
BTW, it was at 11 pm and they weren't drunk. It's a common misconception by the in bed by 9 crowd that anyone who stays up later than them is drunk.:shocked:

Maybe not but there high percentage chance they are if they can't see gate with reflectors on it :wave:

[Topspinmo]

Ok.......the gate at the entrance to St. James was knocked down again sometimes this afternoon (1-21-16). I approached it about 11am, swiped the card, the gate comes up, I start through it and two guys in a cart that was sitting in the cross-space looked right at me and proceeded to pull right out in front of me. I locked the brakes and missed t-boning them by about a foot.

Are some people just born stupid (those that knock down gates/those that attempt to cause/cause accidents) or do they acquire that trait as soon as they enter the bubble?

What would the world be like without stupid:censored:IMO that's the main reason there are gates to stop traffic and give time for carts to cross. But, cart drivers have to wait till car clears the gate exit. I am very watchful for all carts! I think some don't realize they don't have the right way all the time? Another thing, I never criticize gas golf carts for not completely stopping at stop signs when I am not inline yet, due to the cart will die and have to be restarted and the centrifugal clutch engaged to get it moving again. But, that's me:police:

[Barefoot]

We need more guards on the parapets and stock the moats with more gators. Maybe we never should have taken their land and killed all the bison.
I will take that as a compliment.
I thought your post was clever. :ho:

[twoplanekid]

Is the other online news correct when stating that Community Watch says about 2,400 gate arms are knocked down every year at $200 a pop to repair?

[RickeyD]

What would the world be like without stupid:censored:IMO that's the main reason there are gates to stop traffic and give time for carts to cross. But, cart drivers have to wait till car clears the gate exit. I am very watchful for all carts! I think some don't realize they don't have the right way all the time? Another thing, I never criticize gas golf carts for not completely stopping at stop signs when I am not inline yet, due to the cart will die and have to be restarted and the centrifugal clutch engaged to get it moving again. But, that's me:police:


I also hate to prematurely wear out my clutch.

[RickeyD]

I thought your post was clever. :ho:


[emoji848]

[Walter123]

You break it, you bought it. Seems like a simple solution.

[golfing eagles]

You break it, you bought it. Seems like a simple solution.

:agree:

[golfing eagles]

Is the other online news correct when stating that Community Watch says about 2,400 gate arms are knocked down every year at $200 a pop to repair?

If so, I hope TV carries "stupid driver gate destruction" insurance.

[graciegirl]

Is the other online news correct when stating that Community Watch says about 2,400 gate arms are knocked down every year at $200 a pop to repair?



So. What do you propose as a solution?


Gates that cause damage to cars? No gates? Drivers schools for The Villages? More signs?


It is what it is. I think when the end of March comes, the gate breaking goes waaaaay down. It isn't the seasonal residents, it is the increase in traffic.

[looneycat]

I believe it's a poor design and they needed to change gate vendors. a lot or the arms seem to break just from being constantly over torqued by stopping halfway in their swing because impatient drivers don't wait,as asked, for them to fully close.

[tomwed]

The gates need to be light weight but they don't need to be round. They could even be made from the same material as square drainpipes. A hinge attached in the middle or a little closer to the island so would allow the gate go forward without breaking. In that position the motor that lifts and lowers the gate will be disengaged using a magnet switch or a a mercury switch.


When the person gets out of the cart and swings the gate back in place it will work as it did before. It can stay in place with magnets or Velcro.

[perrjojo]

I feel sometimes the gates get broken because there is an inconsistency in whether they are in a stationary up position or they are active and going up and down. Also there is an inconsistency in how long the gate arms stay up before coming down.

[tomwed]

I feel sometimes the gates get broken because there is an inconsistency in whether they are in a stationary up position or they are active and going up and down. Also there is an inconsistency in how long the gate arms stay up before coming down.
A guy on a bike zipped by me before I got my car through the gate so it started to come down with me in the middle. I stopped to see what would happen and not scratch my roof. It sensed my car and went back up. That was at Pinelles.

[dillywho]

I, for one, am tired of people constantly bashing the older drivers on here! Hello. This is a RETIREMENT community (or supposed to be) and I know of nobody on this earth that is getting younger...and certainly not because they retire. Of course, many of the drivers here are old! Newsflash: Old ain't dead or useless.

The biggest problem I have seen with the gates is people being in such an all-fired hurry. Leave earlier! You can't spare the time it takes for a gate to close behind the car in front of you and then you open it? Why? I have people tailgating through some gate every single time I go out. And those who do notice that it is down and there is a stop sign? Forget it. Very few actually STOP.....they just blow right on through, "Oh good, the gate is down...saves me just that much more time." Zoom!! I have had people actually honk at me for stopping!:rant-rave:

There were also 5 non-street legal carts that ignored the No Carts Beyond sign and crossed CR103 Monday on the way to and from Walmart on Woodridge. They gotta be crazy. That is a horrible intersection for cars, nevermind golf carts.:loco: They don't have time to go over to the tunnel? Walmart's open 24-7 so what's the rush?

End of rant, but I feel better. Thanks.:wave:

[dillywho]

My wife parked at the Colony health center ,inside the white lines. When she came out ,some a--hole had hit her new car. It was only 8 days old. $1800 damage. The a--hole didn't,t leave a note or even go inside to tell the ladies at the front desk. The rudeness and audacity of these a--holes is rediculous.. What ever happened to being upfront and honest. Guess that leaves people when they move to the villages. Fed up with this sh--. Wake up people.

They were probably that way wherever they came from. Moving here does not sweeten that kind's disposition.

[Walter123]

[QUOTE=dillywho;1175772]I, for one, am tired of people constantly bashing the older drivers on here! Hello. This is a RETIREMENT community (or supposed to be) and I know of nobody on this earth that is getting younger...and certainly not because they retire. Of course, many of the drivers here are old! Newsflash: Old ain't dead or useless.





Driving is a perishable skill.

[twoplanekid]

So. What do you propose as a solution?


Gates that cause damage to cars? No gates? Drivers schools for The Villages? More signs?


It is what it is. I think when the end of March comes, the gate breaking goes waaaaay down. It isn't the seasonal residents, it is the increase in traffic.

As a test, I would eliminate all gates arms at the four gates that allow access to the villages south of 466A between Buena Vista and Morse road. As most residents in these areas are newer villagers, they would not be as set in their ways as other residents. I think it is a pain to wait for a gate to open. What’s the purpose other than that’s how it’s done in the Villages?

As far as golf carts go, they seem to move right along at the entrances to Lake Sumter off of Morse and Buena Vista. Pictures can still be taken of all cars going through the open gates. Gate keepers can’t deny access to these areas as the roads are public. I would like to see no gate arms while driving to my house in The Village of Lake Deaton. Let’s try a change to see what happens.

[RickeyD]

As a test, I would eliminate all gates arms at the four gates that allow access to the villages south of 466A between Buena Vista and Morse road. As most residents in these areas are newer villagers, they would not be as set in their ways as other residents. I think it is a pain to wait for a gate to open. What’s the purpose other than that’s how it’s done in the Villages?



As far as golf carts go, they seem to move right along at the entrances to Lake Sumter off of Morse and Buena Vista. Pictures can still be taken of all cars going through the open gates. Gate keepers can’t deny access to these areas as the roads are public. I would like to see no gate arms while driving to my house in The Villages of Lake Deaton. Let’s try a change to see what happens.


I feel much safer knowing a car needs to stop if I'm crossing with a cart. Otherwise it would be an endless stream of cars and carts playing dodgeball. Cars will always win. I don't like those odds nor would I like being played a guinea pig to test my stubbornness.

[twoplanekid]

I feel much safer knowing a car needs to stop if I'm crossing with a cart. Otherwise it would be an endless stream of cars and carts playing dodgeball. Cars will always win. I don't like those odds.

I would like to look at the golf cart accident statistics for the golf cart crossings of Buena Vista at Old Mill and Morse at Lake Sumter. Is there a problem there with no gate arms? Maybe gate arms should be at all road intersections to help golf carts?

I do believe that gates are a marketing tool for the developer and thus probably will not be entirely eliminated.

[RickeyD]

I would like to look at the golf cart accident statistics for the golf cart crossings for Buena Vista at Old Mill and Morse at Lake Sumter. Is there a problem there with no gate arms? Maybe gate arms should be at all road intersections to help golf carts?



I do believe that gates are a marketing tool for the developer and thus probably will not be entirely eliminated.


Cool, a conspiracy theory. Start a new thread with that title. Sure to be a winah !

[Barefoot]

I think it is a pain to wait for a gate to open. What’s the purpose other than that’s how it’s done in the Villages?
The purpose is golf cart safety. Gates make it safer for golf carts to cross.
You think it's a pain to wait for a gate to open?
Perhaps the gates south of CR 466A take longer, but further north, it takes seconds for a gate to open.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

A neighbor told another neighbor who told my yardman that their yardman heard from one of his customers that she heard at Bunco that the Morses own the gate arm repair company.

[Bogie Shooter]

As a test, I would eliminate all gates arms at the four gates that allow access to the villages south of 466A between Buena Vista and Morse road. As most residents in these areas are newer villagers, they would not be as set in their ways as other residents. I think it is a pain to wait for a gate to open. What’s the purpose other than that’s how it’s done in the Villages?

As far as golf carts go, they seem to move right along at the entrances to Lake Sumter off of Morse and Buena Vista. Pictures can still be taken of all cars going through the open gates. Gate keepers can’t deny access to these areas as the roads are public. I would like to see no gate arms while driving to my house in The Village of Lake Deaton. Let’s try a change to see what happens.

" I think it is a pain to wait for a gate to open." Why the big hurry? Leave early to wherever you are going the pain will go away.
I travel those highlighted entrances...........both are dangerous, because people in carts are always in a hurry.
BTW you did see all the gates before you bought and moved to the villages, didn't you?

[Bogie Shooter]

I would like to look at the golf cart accident statistics for the golf cart crossings of Buena Vista at Old Mill and Morse at Lake Sumter. Is there a problem there with no gate arms? Maybe gate arms should be at all road intersections to help golf carts?

I do believe that gates are a marketing tool for the developer and thus probably will not be entirely eliminated.
Or not eliminated at all.............................

[graciegirl]

Or not eliminated at all.............................



Why change stuff? First twoplane wanted slower than twenty mph speed limits for carts ....

[zonerboy]

If gates are ever eliminated because of repair expense or any other excuse, then I would suggest they be replaced by a great big honkin' speed bump that would seriously rattle your chassis if negotiated at a speed greater than 4 mph. That should be sufficient to slow auto and truck traffic so that golf carts can safely cross the busiest of residential entrances.

[twoplanekid]

Why change stuff? First twoplane wanted slower than twenty mph speed limits for carts ....

Please read all of my post to find that I never proposed "slower than twenty mph speed limits for cars ...."

As golf carts are used on most roads in TV, why is there this concern with these gate crossings? Is there something special about these gate crossings and not others as I have questioned those at Late Sumter that don’t have gates to slow down cars? As the gates are not security gates, I don’t understand the need to force cars to stop. At all other road crossings in TV, golf cart wait their turn and then proceed. What is the importance at these particular road intersections for golf carts to make cars stop and not others?

Why change stuff? I am happy to see many things change and yet others remain the same. It depends ! If gates do or don't change will not make or break my day.

[graciegirl]

Please read all of my post to find that I never proposed "slower than twenty mph speed limits for cars ...."

As golf carts are used on most roads in TV, why is there this concern with these gate crossings? Is there something special about these gate crossings and not others as I have questioned those at Late Sumter that don’t have gates to slow down cars? As the gates are not security gates, I don’t understand the need to force cars to stop. At all other road crossings in TV, golf cart wait their turn and then proceed. What is the importance at these particular road intersections for golf carts to make cars stop and not others?

Why change stuff? I am happy to see many things change and yet others remain the same. It depends ! If gates do or don't change will not make or break my day.



https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/all-about-golf-carts-things-156/golf-carts-traveling-machine-145930/?highlight=speed+limits+golf+carts

[twoplanekid]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/all-about-golf-carts-things-156/golf-carts-traveling-machine-145930/?highlight=speed+limits+golf+carts

Thanks for providing this link which verifies what I said!

[tomwed]

If gates are ever eliminated because of repair expense or any other excuse, then I would suggest they be replaced by a great big honkin' speed bump that would seriously rattle your chassis if negotiated at a speed greater than 4 mph. That should be sufficient to slow auto and truck traffic so that golf carts can safely cross the busiest of residential entrances.
That would be a great experiment. It sounds like it might work.

I remember some neighborhood back home that had gravel and potholes. The neighbors complained, the road got fixed and then they realized the cars were going too fast on the new surface to feel safe walking or playing on the street.

[Marathon Man]

I would like to look at the golf cart accident statistics for the golf cart crossings of Buena Vista at Old Mill and Morse at Lake Sumter. Is there a problem there with no gate arms? Maybe gate arms should be at all road intersections to help golf carts?

I do believe that gates are a marketing tool for the developer and thus probably will not be entirely eliminated.

These two crossings are very different than the gated entrances to the villages. Removing the gates would be dangerous. Unless the suggestion is to also remove all landscaping, signs, gatehouses and all other items that obstruct the ability of a cart driver to see an oncoming car. The gates were designed to be what they are. You can't just change one part of the design and expect an improvement.

[twoplanekid]

These two crossings are very different than the gated entrances to the villages. Removing the gates would be dangerous. Unless the suggestion is to also remove all landscaping, signs, gatehouses and all other items that obstruct the ability of a cart driver to see an oncoming car. The gates were designed to be what they are. You can't just change one part of the design and expect an improvement.

These two crossing are very busy as they lead to a popular place. In what other ways are they different? The entrance to Hillsborough off of Morse doesn’t have a guard shack. The two new entrances on Moyer Loop(Pine Hills & Pine Ridge) require golf carts to merge with car traffic well before the gates, don’t have guard shacks and yet they still have gate arms. What is the purpose for these gate arms?

[Bogie Shooter]

I have concluded, right or wrong, some folks have too much time on their hands............................

[Barefoot]

These two crossing are very busy as they lead to a popular place. In what other ways are they different? The entrance to Hillsborough off of Morse doesn’t have a guard shack. The two new entrances on Moyer Loop(Pine Hills & Pine Ridge) require golf carts to merge with car traffic well before the gates, don’t have guard shacks and yet they still have gate arms. What is the purpose for these gate arms?

The terms "watch and wait" and "stop to smell the roses" come to mind.

[Doctommft]

An attorney's dream.

[Bogie Shooter]

An attorney's dream.
What??

[Walter123]

What??

HE SAID "AN ATTORNEY'S DREAM" lol

[graciegirl]

HE SAID "AN ATTORNEY'S DREAM" lol



Little quieter please. Do you think that it is an opportunity for someone to sue the developer?


Last time didn't work.

[2BNTV]

Last week, I was passing thru the Southern Trace double gates and it seemed like someone had taken out both gates. I never seen a double gate get destroyed simultaneously but maybe i'm wrong and it was two different people.

Was repaired in a couple of days......... just sayin.........

[golfing eagles]

Last week, I was passing thru the Southern Trace double gates and it seemed like someone had taken out both gates. I never seen a double gate get destroyed simultaneously but maybe i'm wrong and it was two different people.

Was repaired in a couple of days......... just sayin.........

Or maybe one person drank twice as much:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[tomwed]

Maybe the GPS said "When possible make a lethal U-turn".