Rt 44 & Powell Rd

[Chatbrat]

We've had multiple fatalities and injuries @ the intersection of Rt 44 & Powell Rd.

Its about time there is a 45 mph speed limit between Morse Blvd & US 301

With the current 55 mph, you can go 60 & not be cited for speeding.

[golfing eagles]

We've had multiple fatalities and injuries @ the intersection of Rt 44 & Powell Rd.

Its about time there is a 45 mph speed limit between Morse Blvd & US 301

With the current 55 mph, you can go 60 & not be cited for speeding.

So, your point is????? The are hundreds of thousands of miles of roads posted 55 and above. And isn't there a traffic light at that intersection? So for there to be an accident, somebody had to do something stupid, like run the light or turn on red in front of an oncoming car I don't buy that 55 vs. 45 increases accidents, otherwise just make the national speed limit 5 mph. On top of that, there really isn't much traffic coming by on 44. Drivers cause accidents, I see nothing at that intersection such as poor visibility that makes it dangerous. The side road intersections on 301 in the 65 mph. zones are far more dangerous.

[photo1902]

We've had multiple fatalities and injuries @ the intersection of Rt 44 & Powell Rd.

Its about time there is a 45 mph speed limit between Morse Blvd & US 301

With the current 55 mph, you can go 60 & not be cited for speeding.

My guess is that in the not to distant future, the speed limit will be reduced on that section of road, given the development taking place now.

[golfing eagles]

My guess is that in the not to distant future, the speed limit will be reduced on that section of road, given the development taking place now.

And that would be fine, just like 466 and 27. But right now, this is a 4 lane divided highway with minimal intersections, minimal commercial development and not much traffic. I think any accidents are on the driver, not the road or speed limit.

[tomwed]

I have friends who can see the 44A and BV intersection. They said there are a lot of accidents there as well.

Too bad there isn't a local police officer who follows these threads. I'll bet they would know what is dangerous and why it's dangerous all around us.

[golfing eagles]

I have friends who can see the 44A and BV intersections. They said there are a lot of accidents there as well.

Too bad there isn't a local police officer who follows these threads. I'll bet they would know what is dangerous and why it's dangerous all around us.

I'd like to know that as well. I live a mile from those intersections, drive thru them frequently and cannot see any problem, at least none that would be caused by anything other than utter stupidity.

[RickeyD]

I'd like to know that as well. I live a mile from those intersections, drive thru them frequently and cannot see any problem, at least none that would be caused by anything other than utter stupidity.


Correct, there is no such thing as an accident. That word implies innocence.

[mixsonci]

I agree with Golfing eagles assessment. Don't believe the speed limit on that part of the road is the problem.

[theorem painter]

I am not saying this was the cause of this accident but we have all seen that frequently a right turn on a red light does not involve a stop or even a brake. People go through those red lights like there is a right arrow. A major accident waiting to happen.

[Polar Bear]

...there is no such thing as an accident. That word implies innocence.

Not even the occasional mechanical failure, blown tire, etc.?

[RickeyD]

I am not saying this was the cause of this accident but we have all seen that frequently a right turn on a red light does not involve a stop or even a brake. People go through those red lights like there is a right arrow. A major accident waiting to happen.


Again, not an accident. Crash is appropriate. [emoji6]

[RickeyD]

Not even the occasional mechanical failure, blown tire, etc.?


No, the operator/owner is responsible for maintenance. I'm not saying 100% of the time, more like 99.8 %.

[Polar Bear]

No, the operator/owner is responsible for maintenance.

Perfect maintenance does not eliminate the possibility of a situation beyond one's control.

[RickeyD]

Perfect maintenance does not eliminate the possibility of a situation beyond one's control.


That's another one ! Out of control...tired of hearing that.

[RickeyD]

I've noticed here in FL nobody leaves a crash without getting a ticket. That's the way it should be. NY doesn't do that.

[Polar Bear]

...A defensive driver is a crash proof driver.

Wow. You keep telling yourself that.

[RickeyD]

Wow. You keep telling yourself that.


Again, it takes two to tango and I don't dance.

[RickeyD]

My point is this. Crashes don't happen unless one or more operators do something irresponsible.

[Walter123]

No, the operator/owner is responsible for maintenance. I'm not saying 100% of the time, more like 99.8 %.

Are you sure it's not 99.7% or 99.9%? Can you back that up? There are actual accidents but most are human error.

I hope the speed limit isn't changed to compensate for inattentive drivers.

[Walter123]

My point is this. Crashes don't happen unless one or more operators do something irresponsible.

Quite the generalization.

[RickeyD]

Are you sure it's not 99.7% or 99.9%? Can you back that up? There are actual accidents but most are human error.



I hope the speed limit isn't changed to compensate for inattentive drivers.


I agree. If the stars are in perfect alignment an accident will occur.

[Rango]

People run that light on a consistent basis.

[memason]

If we want these horrific crashes to cease, we need to have a round-a-bout installed there....

Lighted intersections are always more dangerous [and more serious crashes] than round-a-bouts.

[mixsonci]

I don't want another round about PLEASE. My opinion, they need to stop allowing left turns UNLESS there is a green arrow. Left turn yields are very dangerous, vision is blocked from oncoming cars etc. and this IMO is what causes most accidents.

[Retiring]

Correct, there is no such thing as an accident. That word implies innocence.

I believe there are real accidents. Even with the best preventative maintenance catastrophic mechanical failures, although rare, do occur. People make cars, so by default – imperfect.

But you are correct accident implies innocence. Many law enforcement jurisdictions have changed their forms, where it once said “accident,” it now reads “crash.” Also, some insurance companies now use crash instead of accident.

We all have momentary lapses in judgment and they increase with age, which is why we must be EXTRA vigilant on the road. It’s tiring to drive with 110% alertness, but we must. 110% today, is our old 70%.

[RickeyD]

I believe there are real accidents. Even with the best preventative maintenance catastrophic mechanical failures, although rare, do occur. People make cars, so by default – imperfect.



But you are correct accident implies innocence. Many law enforcement jurisdictions have changed their forms, where it once said “accident,” it now reads “crash.” Also, some insurance companies now use crash instead of accident.



We all have momentary lapses in judgment and they increase with age, which is why we must be EXTRA vigilant on the road. It’s tiring to drive with 110% alertness, but we must. 110% today, is our old 70%.


The only real accident I believe would be a medical condition which you have absolutely no knowledge of and strikes with no warning. In that case you truly are not in control. A mechanical failure can happen that is inherent in it's design and those cases have been litigated with the manufacturer proven at fault. I don't accept floor mats that impede control nor blowouts. These things can be prevented. Engines that suddenly stop or brakes failing are rare and if so can typically be traced to poor maintenance. I also don't like the fact that Florida does not require safety inspections. Poor judgement in some way by one or more parties cause crashes. Let's not loose site of texting or talking on the phone while driving. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[John_W]

I have friends who can see the 44A and BV intersection. They said there are a lot of accidents there as well.

Too bad there isn't a local police officer who follows these threads. I'll bet they would know what is dangerous and why it's dangerous all around us.


The police should already know where the trouble spots are since they at the scene of most every accident. Plus, posters can be somewhat misleading. Look at your post, "a lot of accidents at the intersection of Buena Vista and 44A", that intersection is a traffic circle. What do you propose to do with that traffic circle and the 35 others?

[Retiring]

The only real accident I believe would be a medical condition which you have absolutely no knowledge of and strikes with no warning. In that case you truly are not in control. A mechanical failure can happen that is inherent in it's design and those cases have been litigated with the manufacturer proven at fault. I don't accept floor mats that impede control nor blowouts. These things can be prevented. Engines that suddenly stop or brakes failing are rare and if so can typically be traced to poor maintenance. I also don't like the fact that Florida does not require safety inspections. Poor judgement in some way by one or more parties cause crashes. Let's not loose site of texting or talking on the phone while driving. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

You’re free to write the State legislature and Governor to have the law changed and impose annual auto inspections. I have no doubt you will be cheered on by all your fellow big government left wing extremists.

I come from a family that’s had gas/service stations for 50 years and performed tens of thousands of inspections in Queens, you cannot predict catastrophic mechanical failure. Believe it or not, and I guess you choose not, failures do occur.

Do you have an explanation for the brake master cylinder that fails on a 6 month old car with 4k miles? Do you have an explanation for an oil pump bracket, of a power steering assembly, that fails in a new car at 1k miles? Do you have an explanation for tire failure due a bad bead chaffer on a tire with less than 50 miles? No, I didn’t think you did. None of these failures could have been predicted and preventative maintenance was clearly not an issue. Sometimes a bracket can fail because the ratio of metals was incorrect at the foundry. Even RickeyD could not see that coming. This may be difficult to believe, but cars are not perfect.

All that being said, I do agree almost all crashes are due to operator error. As for texting, I would like to add 3 more stupids to your 3 for a total of 6 stupids.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Most all of the accident's involve someone turning left in front of another vehicle. Pay attention people. We have some of the worst drivers here in the Villages. You need to drive very defensive around here. Speed has nothing to do with the accidents. If you make cars go too slow you will likely have even more accidents.

[tomwed]

People run that light on a consistent basis.
Run what light? The one on 44?
Run it in what direction?
How do you know People run that light on a consistent basis?

[tomwed]

The police should already know where the trouble spots are since they at the scene of most every accident. Plus, posters can be somewhat misleading. Look at your post, "a lot of accidents at the intersection of Buena Vista and 44A", that intersection is a traffic circle. What do you propose to do with that traffic circle and the 35 others?
You're right.

I said 44A when I was thinking 466A. The road numbering down here gives me trouble but I should have looked it up and not have added to the confusion.

[kcrazorbackfan]

And that would be fine, just like 466 and 27. But right now, this is a 4 lane divided highway with minimal intersections, minimal commercial development and not much traffic. I think any accidents are on the driver, not the road or speed limit.

Just like guns aren't the problem with killing people, the irresponsible owners are. With the hundreds of accidents I worked, probably 3/4 of them were caused by irresponsible drivers; the balance due to mechanical issues, animals on the road, extreme weather event.....

[Happinow]

When we first moved here , hubby and I were almost killed. My light turned green and a person ran a clearly red light at about 55 mph. I was driving and if I had gone, like most people do, when my light turned green we would have been hit broadside at that high speed. We probably would have been seriously injured at best. This is a dangerous intersection. Speed should be reduced, given that traffic is increasing in that area.

[shanson99]

I don't want another round about PLEASE. My opinion, they need to stop allowing left turns UNLESS there is a green arrow. Left turn yields are very dangerous, vision is blocked from oncoming cars etc. and this IMO is what causes most accidents.

You are so right. Heading west on 44 numerous cars kept turning left in front of me after their green left turn arrow ended. All of 44 should have red arrows after the green arrow ends.

[golfing eagles]

When we first moved here , hubby and I were almost killed. My light turned green and a person ran a clearly red light at about 55 mph. I was driving and if I had gone, like most people do, when my light turned green we would have been hit broadside at that high speed. We probably would have been seriously injured at best. This is a dangerous intersection. Speed should be reduced, given that traffic is increasing in that area.

No, drivers should stop for red lights!!!!

[Villager Joyce]

When we first moved here , hubby and I were almost killed. My light turned green and a person ran a clearly red light at about 55 mph. I was driving and if I had gone, like most people do, when my light turned green we would have been hit broadside at that high speed. We probably would have been seriously injured at best. This is a dangerous intersection. Speed should be reduced, given that traffic is increasing in that area.

When I learned to drive in the snow on black ice, we were taught to NEVER go until all other cars have stopped. Good rule wherever you live.

[graciegirl]

No, drivers should stop for red lights!!!!



I agree Doc. The same scofflaws that run red lights will ignore the slower speed limits.


Just drive very defensively. The place is populated by idiots behind steering wheels. I want everyone reading this to be here and be totally intact at the end of the crowded season April first.

[tomwed]

The road should be slower. When heading up north if I take the inland route the speed changes all the time and the police are more than happy to hand out tickets.

What is the downside? It might take an extra minute or 2 to get on the turnpike?

[golfing eagles]

The road should be slower. When heading up north if I take the inland route the speed changes all the time and the police are more than happy to hand out tickets.

What is the downside? It might take an extra minute or 2 to get on the turnpike?

Sorry, can't agree on this one. The natural extrapolation of that philosophy is to set all speed limits at 5 mph., or better yet just walk (across the country to LA) --it's "safer". Getting T-boned by an idiot running a red light isn't going to have a much different result at 45 or 55.
The speed limits are set by the nature of the road (width, divided or not, number of intersections and lights, presence of shoulder, etc.), and amount of traffic. Most interstates slow down to 55 in urban areas.
Route 44 is perfectly fine at 55, it's the idiot drivers that make accidents. But it does not make sense to change speed limits for a few accidents caused by idiots on a road otherwise appropriate for the existing speed limit. As Judge Judy says, "you can't fix stupid"

[tomwed]

Sorry, can't agree on this one. The natural extrapolation of that philosophy is to set all speed limits at 5 mph., or better yet just walk (across the country to LA) --it's "safer".
Do you really think that's how the world works?

Lowering the speed limit to 45 is the beginning of a slippery slope that will eventually lead to a 5 mph speed limit all over the country.

When I taught one of my teacher observations said Tom occasionally whistled in class. This should stop because the students will start whistling and when they get in the halls everyone will also start whistling. The whole building will be whistling and we can't have that.
That person uses your kind of logic.

[tuccillo]

Not correct. Kinetic energy goes as the square of the velocity. The difference between 55 mph and 45 mph is 50% more kinetic energy at 55 mph. With collisions, it is all about velocity.

Sorry, can't agree on this one. The natural extrapolation of that philosophy is to set all speed limits at 5 mph., or better yet just walk (across the country to LA) --it's "safer". Getting T-boned by an idiot running a red light isn't going to have a much different result at 45 or 55.
The speed limits are set by the nature of the road (width, divided or not, number of intersections and lights, presence of shoulder, etc.), and amount of traffic. Most interstates slow down to 55 in urban areas.
Route 44 is perfectly fine at 55, it's the idiot drivers that make accidents. But it does not make sense to change speed limits for a few accidents caused by idiots on a road otherwise appropriate for the existing speed limit. As Judge Judy says, "you can't fix stupid"

[photo1902]

Not correct. Kinetic energy goes as the square of the velocity. The difference between 55 mph and 45 mph is 50% more kinetic energy at 55 mph. With collisions, it is all about velocity.

Not to mention reaction time.

[golfing eagles]

Not correct. Kinetic energy goes as the square of the velocity. The difference between 55 mph and 45 mph is 50% more kinetic energy at 55 mph. With collisions, it is all about velocity.

I think I'm pretty well versed in physics and mathematics, but thanks anyway. However, when it comes to personal injury from a MVA, at a certain point the extra kinetic energy doesn't matter. You're just as dead from a suicide vest as you are from a nuclear bomb.

[golfing eagles]

Do you really think that's how the world works?

Lowering the speed limit to 45 is the beginning of a slippery slope that will eventually lead to a 5 mph speed limit all over the country.

When I taught one of my teacher observations said Tom occasionally whistled in class. This should stop because the students will start whistling and when they get in the halls everyone will also start whistling. The whole building will be whistling and we can't have that.
That person uses your kind of logic.

One word, my friend-----hyperbole:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[photo1902]

I think I'm pretty well versed in physics and mathematics, but thanks anyway. However, when it comes to personal injury from a MVA, at a certain point the extra kinetic energy doesn't matter. You're just as dead from a suicide vest as you are from a nuclear bomb.

Speeds above 50 mph, kinetic energy plateaus. 45/55 it's significant.

[tuccillo]

So am I, thank you also. Statements such as 45 and 55 are about the same is just not correct as you don't know the critical speed where significant injury and death will occur. You may very well survive a crash at 45 but die at 55. The different in KE is significant.

I think I'm pretty well versed in physics and mathematics, but thanks anyway. However, when it comes to personal injury from a MVA, at a certain point the extra kinetic energy doesn't matter. You're just as dead from a suicide vest as you are from a nuclear bomb.

[tuccillo]

KE increases as the square of the velocity. It doesn't plateau, it goes up exponentially. The difference in KE between two speeds separated by 10 MPH decreases as speed increases. I think that is what you mean. 45 MPH vs. 55 MPH is still very significant at 50% more KE at 55 MPH. The physics of car crashes is complicated but you are always better off with less speed.

Speeds above 50 mph, kinetic energy plateaus. 45/55 it's significant.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Drive safely and pay attention and you will avoid most accidents. May be even the stupid driver not paying attention. Unless of course if you get rear ended.

[golfing eagles]

So am I, thank you also. Statements such as 45 and 55 are about the same is just not correct as you don't know the critical speed where significant injury and death will occur. You may very well survive a crash at 45 but die at 55. The different in KE is significant.

You may be correct, I don't know the exact speed where it makes a significant difference, and there are a ton of variables. All I can say is my experience treating the victims of MVAs gives me the sense that 45 is frequently fatal.

[tuccillo]

On ToTV, I have noticed that many people try to pass off opinions as facts.

You may be correct, I don't know the exact speed where it makes a significant difference, and there are a ton of variables. All I can say is my experience treating the victims of MVAs gives me the sense that 45 is frequently fatal.

[outlaw]

In this case, I would lean toward mass (M) being much more important than the difference between 45 and 55 mph (V2). A dump truck is always going to win, even if it is in park. Much of the kinetic energy is not transferred to the smaller, lighter car. Otherwise, wouldn't the dump truck have had to come to a complete stop upon impact?

[golfing eagles]

On ToTV, I have noticed that many people try to pass off opinions as facts.

me too

[outlaw]

Didn't we go through this whole increased speed equates to decreased safety in the 70s with interstate speeds being limited to 55 mph?

[golfing eagles]

In this case, I would lean toward mass (M) being much more important than the difference between 45 and 55 mph (V2). A dump truck is always going to win, even if it is in park. Much of the kinetic energy is not transferred to the smaller, lighter car. Otherwise, wouldn't the dump truck have had to come to a complete stop upon impact?

short answer---no

It's called momentum and is a product of mass and velocity. Which is why the dump truck loses to a locomotive

[outlaw]

me too

You two should join mensa.

[golfing eagles]

In this case, I would lean toward mass (M) being much more important than the difference between 45 and 55 mph (V2). A dump truck is always going to win, even if it is in park. Much of the kinetic energy is not transferred to the smaller, lighter car. Otherwise, wouldn't the dump truck have had to come to a complete stop upon impact?

Although it would be nice---an interialess spacecraft would be a necessity for warp speeds!

[outlaw]

short answer---no

It's called momentum and is a product of mass and velocity. Which is why the dump truck loses to a locomotive

So you're saying ALL the KE is transferred upon impact, even if the object is still moving?

[golfing eagles]

You two should join mensa.

I turned down the invitation, their average IQ is much too low:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

So you're saying ALL the KE is transferred upon impact, even if the object is still moving?

of course not

[outlaw]

Although it would be nice---an interialess spacecraft would be a necessity for warp speeds!

You lost me at interialess????

[outlaw]

of course not

"short answer, no"?

[photo1902]

You lost me at interialess????

the word he was looking for is "inertialess".

[dbussone]

Is there a physics course taught at the Lifelong Learning College? I need a refresher course.

[Retiring]

You two should join mensa.

I am a Mensa member, which only means when shown a picture of 3 rocks and a banana, I know which doesn’t belong.

[golfing eagles]

I am a Mensa member, which only means when shown a picture of 3 rocks and a banana, I know which doesn’t belong.

depends. could be banana, bauxite, basalt and quartz.

[photo1902]

depends. could be banana, bauxite, basalt and quartz.

would be a good name for a band. Or a law firm.

[golfing eagles]

would be a good name for a band. Or a law firm.

I can see the ads now----"Call us when you need rock solid representation":1rotfl::1rotfl:

[photo1902]

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:I can see the ads now----"Call us when you need rock solid representation":1rotfl::1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

depends. could be banana, bauxite, basalt and quartz.



OR...


Igneous, sedimentary, metamorphic and plaintains.

[golfing eagles]

OR...


Igneous, sedimentary, metamorphic and plaintains.

but that would have the same obvious answer:wave:

[dave harris]

Correct, there is no such thing as an accident. That word implies innocence.

accident:

"an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury."

"an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause."

[RickeyD]

accident:

"an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury."

"an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause."

Be that as it may if it makes you feel better. The fact is this, " accidents " occur because one or more parties to the " accident " did something STUPID. I prefer " crash " because that's what it is.

[Polar Bear]

As we all...or at least the elite among us...know, there has never been a true "accident" in the history of the world.

[RickeyD]

As we all...or at least the elite among us...know, there has never been a true "accident" in the history of the world.

Elite ! That's the pot calling the kettle black. :bigbow:

[RickeyD]

As we all...or at least the elite among us...know, there has never been a true "accident" in the history of the world.

I don't believe in fate or happenstance or magical thinking. Everything in this world has a natural cause. Typically by the hands of humans or animals or nature. Nothing happens by accident.

[Polar Bear]

I don't believe in fate or happenstance or magical thinking. Everything in this world has a natural cause. Typically by the hands of humans or animals or nature. Nothing happens by accident.

Is it "typically" or not? It can't be "typically" when you're claiming it's 100% of the time.

And if you're saying all things can be explained by the laws of the universe, then we agree. But that's not how the human definition of "accident" works.

And you don't have to believe in "fate or happenstance or magical thinking" to believe that accidents...unavoidable by any reasonable definition of the word...do happen.

[tuccillo]

You are driving along and and have a blowout that causes you to swerve into the other lane and hit another car. The tires are new and properly inflated. Nothing stupid was done. It was an accident.

Be that as it may if it makes you feel better. The fact is this, " accidents " occur because one or more parties to the " accident " did something STUPID. I prefer " crash " because that's what it is.

[Polar Bear]

You are driving along and and have a blowout that causes you to swerve into the other lane and hit another car. The tires are new and properly inflated. Nothing stupid was done. It was an accident.

You're looking at this with far, far too much common sense, tucillo. :)

[Marathon Man]

For some reason the term 'accident' came to mean an auto collision with an object or another auto. A seperate meaning is something that happens out of anyone's control. I think that you are all correct.

[graciegirl]

For some reason the term 'accident' came to mean an auto collision with an object or another auto. A seperate meaning is something that happens out of anyone's control. I think that you are all correct.



Marathon Man is from Ohio. A peaceful and calm person with good parents.

[RickeyD]

Is it "typically" or not? It can't be "typically" when you're claiming it's 100% of the time.

And if you're saying all things can be explained by the laws of the universe, then we agree. But that's not how the human definition of "accident" works.

And you don't have to believe in "fate or happenstance or magical thinking" to believe that accidents...unavoidable by any reasonable definition of the word...do happen.

Sorry, not buying it. " I forgot ", " wasn't me ", " he did it ", " not my fault ",
" I couldn't see ", " it just happened ", " I couldn't help it ", " I drank too much ", " I was upset ", " I wasn't thinking ", " I couldn't do it ", " I didn't realize "', etc. etc. etc. ALL BS :grumpy:
The fact is THIS. Someone died on 44 because someone wasn't thinking straight and it ****es me off. Accident, my ass.

[Polar Bear]

Sorry, not buying it. " I forgot ", " wasn't me ", " he did it ", " not my fault ",
" I couldn't see ", " it just happened ", " I couldn't help it ", " I drank too much ", " I was upset ", " I wasn't thinking ", " I couldn't do it ", " I didn't realize "', etc. etc. etc. ALL BS :grumpy:
The fact is THIS. Someone died on 44 because someone wasn't thinking straight and it ****es me off. Accident, my ass.
Nobody used those words except you.

And make up your mind. Now you're referencing a single incident. You can't use that to prove your claim that there is NEVER such a thing as a true, "out of anyone's control", accident.

[RickeyD]

Marathon Man is from Ohio. A peaceful and calm person with good parents.

Please adopt me Gracie. :thumbup:

[RickeyD]

Nobody used those words except you.

And make up your mind. Now you're referencing a single incident. You can't use that to prove your claim that there is NEVER such a thing as an accident.

Didn't say never, I am a reasonable man after all.

[dbussone]

You are driving along and and have a blowout that causes you to swerve into the other lane and hit another car. The tires are new and properly inflated. Nothing stupid was done. It was an accident.


True!

[Polar Bear]

...Nothing happens by accident.
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[RickeyD]

///

Come on, go for it. I'll buy you a beer...

[Topspinmo]

The only real accident I believe would be a medical condition which you have absolutely no knowledge of and strikes with no warning. In that case you truly are not in control. A mechanical failure can happen that is inherent in it's design and those cases have been litigated with the manufacturer proven at fault. I don't accept floor mats that impede control nor blowouts. These things can be prevented. Engines that suddenly stop or brakes failing are rare and if so can typically be traced to poor maintenance. I also don't like the fact that Florida does not require safety inspections. Poor judgement in some way by one or more parties cause crashes. Let's not loose site of texting or talking on the phone while driving. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

States with safety inspections turned into revenue collections cause like tax everybody got have finger in the pot. There is no proof that state ran safety inspection prevent accidents. ( if so the manulipate numbers to fit there agenda TAX)

it's texting, talking on the phone, not pay attention, poor drivers training, and DSs trying to get one car ahead cutting off traffic. Or it's Johnny speed racer on cc high.

[Polar Bear]

Come on, go for it. I'll buy you a beer...

All right!! A peaceful, civil resolution! With maybe a touch of agree-to-disagree thrown in. I can live with that. :)

[RickeyD]

States with safety inspections turned into revenue collections cause like tax everybody got have finger in the pot. There is no proof that state ran safety inspection prevent accidents. ( if so the manulipate numbers to fit there agenda TAX)

it's texting, talking on the phone, not pay attention, poor drivers training, and DSs trying to get one car ahead cutting off traffic. Or it's Johnny speed racer on cc high.

It can be inferred that a low income person driving a beater will defer what needs to be done when the pad rivets are grooving out his rotors. An inspection would require the brakes to be repaired.

[RickeyD]

All right!! A peaceful, civil resolution! With maybe a touch of agree-to-disagree thrown in. I can live with that. :)

My kind of man !

[Retiring]

depends. could be banana, bauxite, basalt and quartz.


Bauxite is good stuff, sprinkle some behind your cabinets and you’ll never see an ant. I like a little basalt on my baked potato, but not good for blood pressure. And you just reminded me I have to buy two quartz of milk today.