Face to Face! Please read!!!!

[Guest]

Here is the golden rule.

When posting here,or anywhere else on this forum, use exactly the same words and phrases you would use if you were face to face with the person to whom you are responding.

Anybody who uses contorted spellings of members screen names or makes statements that are inflammatory simply because they are hiding behind a keyboard, in my estimation, is a coward. That kind of activity was not okay in high school, and it's not okay here.

This also applies to private messages.

The administrators are real tired of receiving emails and messages about what members are calling each other and what one said about another. If you can't be civil here, please leave.

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I guess it's about time for me to leave. I posted a reply and it apparently was pulled. It seems to be alright if someone slams and seems to delight in adding jabs at every discussion but heaven forbid if a junior makes a statement it is pulled. Thanks but I guess if the number two poster can get away with this kind of crap and if they get called on it the post is pulled. Amazing just how political this forum really is.

[Guest]

Yours was pulled because you stooped to personal insult. We don't tolerate that, and we pull them when we see them. The number of posts a person makes here has no bearing on whether or not we pull posts.

We always dislike losing members, and you are welcome to stay, or leave, as you please.

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I responded to the comment that was posted. C24 was the one who made the inference about money and class. I responded in the only way she (by the hundreds of posts made in political) might understand. I understand you feel it was a personal attack. I feel she made yet another personal attack on John Mc Cain. She made a very strong statement without checking to find out the facts in this matter. I called on her to apologize for that statement. I know you have the power to pull any post and did so but I feel you were very one sided on this particular issue. If my post needed to be pulled I don't understand why her post wasn't pulled also. She has called both Mc Cain and Palin names many times and that was OK? Oh, maybe I didn't understand. It becomes personal when someone mentions another poster but it is OK to slander anyone who isn't a poster? I don't want to argue the point but it seems to me that I am being made an example of. I have read in this forum where this poster has trashed every republican thought or idea by name calling or worse. I have been a life long democrat and it has been an embarrassment for me to read all the muck and mud this poster has made. You have got what you wanted. I won't bother you or this forum anymore.

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Union,
You have to go back about 3 months but the same person along with the clique made nothing but personel attacks on me.
You are not alone.
Good Luck but know others agree with you. Nobody ever said life is fair. I bet this gets pulled! Hi Tony!

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Best Mom

I bet you put me in "the clique". Well, guess what. I've been deleted and banned. The admins are not one sided. They don't want negative posts and I would suggest you think about what you write or you will be banned as I was.

It's time to be nice. History is in the past...let's move forward.

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Best Mom

I bet you put me in "the clique". Well, guess what. I've been deleted and banned. The admins are not one sided. They don't want negative posts and I would suggest you think about what you write or you will be banned as I was.

It's time to be nice. History is in the past...let's move forward.

BANNED is a harsh word, need to make sure it isnt CENSORSHIP also..

[Guest]

It's time to be nice. History is in the past...let's move forward.

Brightspot,

Bingo!!!!!

Boomer

[Guest]

I am a wuss and and a wimp and don't always lay it on the line, but I always agree with Boomer.

We Cincinnati girls know a "Bingo" when we see one.

Great words Brightspot!!!

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Union,
You have to go back about 3 months but the same person along with the clique made nothing but personel attacks on me.
You are not alone.
Good Luck but know others agree with you. Nobody ever said life is fair. I bet this gets pulled! Hi Tony!

Some wonderful, never heavy, sweet, good people were banned by making negative statements, Best Mom.

This is the beginning of a new life on TOTV. Let's all embrace it.

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Bright, Boomer, Gracie......Nice, very, very nice!

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Just got here, slept in late and I agree, great posts Bright, Boomer, Gracie and Johnny M! :coolsmiley:

[Guest]

May we all move forward and let bygones be just that -- bygones. We don't have to be friends but that doesn't mean we can't show those here the same kindness and politeness we would a stranger. Here's hoping this is the start of new TOTV where the attacks are gone and the fun is always around.

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Best Mom

I bet you put me in "the clique". Well, guess what. I've been deleted and banned. The admins are not one sided. They don't want negative posts and I would suggest you think about what you write or you will be banned as I was.

It's time to be nice. History is in the past...let's move forward.

I agree. It is time to be nice, including being nice to BestMom. With the elections, and various things going on, some of us have been on edge, have been ridiculed, there have been a lot of emotional posts, etc. It is time to put the past behind us and move on. Let us all try and be friendlier. Tony, thanks for the new rule - in my opinion its a good one.

[Guest]

I agree with everybody!!!
Everybody have a great day.

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Bright! You are 100% spot on. It's time to move on. People will be people, will be people. There will always be debates, they just should not be taken to a personal level between posters.

It's a new day! As my eloquent (Hahaha) daughter would say "Suck it up sistah!" (She has such a way with words. :1rotfl:)
"We're burnin' daylight." (Which I think means "Life is too short.")

Time to move past old hurts. :)

[Guest]

Spot on, Chels, Bright,Boomer,Gracie,

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When people who don't even know someone and call them a racist,I find it hard to forgive and forget.
I'm sure they wouldn't say that to my face.:crap2:
As an aside,having a political forum might have bee a bad idea,I've seen politics ruin another great forum with over 500,000 members.

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Eddie! Who called you a racist? Tell me and I will smack them. :boxing2: You're one of the sweetest guys I know. :wave:

Woot, chels

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ejp, I agree with you 100%. Politics has caused hard feelings between so many people that could be good friends. This has been such a divisive time for us as a nation. I think Senator McCain showed utmost grace in his concession speech last night and I was energized by the Obama speech. I think they showed an America united. We should be united as well. It is over. I know it is often difficult to forgive things people have said and done. I hope everyone will forgive and forget some of the terrible things said on political. It's a new day in America. Let's move forward with a renewed sense of hope for a better tomorrow.. for America and the world. God Bless America!!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

I agree with everybody!!!
Everybody have a great day.


Be nice to Best Mom and everybody!

[Guest]

Tony, thanks for the new rule - in my opinion its a good one.

GEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ:cus: I wrote this rule......:grumpy: Why is Tony getting credit for it.:mad:

[Guest]

GEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ:cus: I wrote this rule......:grumpy: Why is Tony getting credit for it.:mad:


I will give you both credit for this rule and thank you for it. I think it is something we should all live by.
I loved TOTV and couldn't wait to read the threads--learned alot of things about so many different subjects and it was a fun place to be. Hoping it will become that again now that this election is over.

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Jan, why does Tony get the credit??? He pays us to post praising him. :a20::a20::a20:

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GEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ:cus: I wrote this rule......:grumpy: Why is Tony getting credit for it.:mad:

No! TH, please! Please! Please! No!

Do not cast aspersions upon Tony.

We were all being so peaceful and nice this morning. I was so loving it.

Please do not make it the Jerry Springer Show by getting into a big brawl with Tony. OK?

Boomer

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No brawl coming from here.

I have to leave now to mail out the checks.

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Tony, I got my two dollars yesterday. You now have $1.75 credit.

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Talk host,
That is a very good, easy to understand rule.

I enjoy this forum, but agree with some that the political forum, IMHO, was allowed to get too personal and nasty. It looked like in some cases it hurt friendships and people who in many cases are neighbors.

I am a moderator on a very large forum. I constantly have to remind posters to discuss ideas, viewpoints, etc respectfully WITHOUT being disrespectful to divergent views. On that forum, I have to sadly delete posts, ban posters, etc, all with the goal of keeping a healthy forum....weeding the garden so the flowers can grow, so to speak. It is a tough responsibility, not a power trip as some may think.

Usually great debates, controversies, etc, are just that because each side has some valid points, and we must strive to at least understand both sides, even when only agreeing with one. When we stoop to personal attacks, it just weakens our views, and does no good whatsoever. If one's viewpoint has any credence, it should be able to withstand debate and healthy discussion.

I agree with all those here who say, "Let's move on", but perhaps we do better for this forum by also learning some lessons here........

Afterall, most of us picked up, (or plan on) picking up our whole lives and at great expense decided on building a whole new life in paradise for the rest of our days......why would we do that, only to risk hurting the dream by making enemies instead of friends...??

Frank D.

[Guest]

I enjoy hanging out at several public forums, including the one Faithful Frank has mentioned (one of my favorites) but TOTV is very special in that it has a common goal - an appreciation of The Villages Lifestyle ! :a040:

I can understand why negative posts are frowned upon but from the perspective of a wannabee I seek the truth and hope to make friends.

I'm glad we all agree the success of any forum depends on the participants' respect for each other and the Administrators' duty to maintain control. It's gonna be a LONG...... BLEAK.....WET....... COLD....... winter ..... in s/Oregon and TOTV is where I'm gonna be :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Guest]

TALKHOST....the rule you stated is just plain common sense and should be respected.

The reason I posted on this thread is two fold. Someone eary in the thread mentioned a "clique" and also mentioned about how perhaps a political forum was a bad idea.

Well, yes there is a "clique" but they are like the bullies we all recall from grade school, which I mention only to support those who have said that and been the victim of the same folks in some order following each other to attack.

More importantly the political forum does not cause bad manners. I have been discussing politics in one manner or another for years, and enjoy even heated discussions giving and taking. Yes, as someone once said, you dont change anyones mind, but you develop your mind this way. You may not convince me to change my mind but you may show me a different way to look at issues.

It does not have to ever get personal...oh, if someone makes it that way, not matter how hard you try you find yoruself responding.

Problem with political discussion is that folks who know very little about anything will go for the personal stuff....shoe color, etc and simply throw out small snippets with no link or backup to show that they ate least researched what they have to say and allow the others to read what they read IN CONTEXT.

I guess the bottom line of my wordy post is that I totally support your rule, imagine any fair minded person also does, hope you enforce it and thank you for this opportunity !

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Bucco,

Your post is correct. The political area is a needed entity as so many people can learn from each other. You may never change their mind, nor they yours, but you may teach each other new ways of looking at our governement.


On a side note to others:

I see that the manager of this forum TH has posted this in the political area.

I think it should be noted for all areas of this internet site. As for any type of "clique" it seems everyone wants to make a new start. A lot of the rude statements were posted outside of political. My point in short is that we need to keep this "advice" within every area of this internet community.

The country is healing with the hope of the future. I hope this place will too. I am enjoying it for the most part.

[Guest]

I agree with everybody!!!
Everybody have a great day.

I agree we should all be kind to one another as life is too short. Have a good day all.

[Guest]

It's a new day in America. Let's move forward with a renewed sense of hope for a better tomorrow.. for America and the world. God Bless America!!!!!!!!!


Sam, great post. I feel the same way. And I truly hope that we can all move forward in a positive way, treating each other with respect at all times. God Bless America.

[Guest]

Let me straighten a lamp shade here. That seems what I do a lot of.

Coney Island Babe said something about understanding why negative posts are frowned upon, and that she wants to see truth.

We, too, want to see truth.

Jan said if you can't say it face to face, don't say it.

I said if its personal insult, its going to be deleted.

We did not say we frown on negative posts. We have all seen a lot of them. We don't encourage them or discourage them. We have seen negative posts corrected by others.

We want fairness and civility and not only positive. And not only negative. Honesty. Fun.

[Guest]

Let me put my two cents in on this subject. I don't know which forum these alleged attacks took place, but if it was in the political forum, I have to tell you, it is a pretty tough place to post in. During the political campaigns, it got pretty nasty in there, and I have to be honest, I too got defensive at times. The topics are heated and passionate. I personally don't believe, if someone is talking trash, that they should be able to cry foul, when someone talks trash back. However, if it were in any other forum, I would feel very differently. Then I would say, string the perpetrator up... Well that might be a bit drastic. Maybe with the campaigns behind us, we can all be a little more civil to each other, and remember that we all share the same dream. Please don't pull my post? :undecided:

[Guest]

Let me straighten a lamp shade here. That seems what I do a lot of.

Coney Island Babe said something about understanding why negative posts are frowned upon, and that she wants to see truth.

We, too, want to see truth.

Jan said if you can't say it face to face, don't say it.

I said if its personal insult, its going to be deleted.

We did not say we frown on negative posts. We have all seen a lot of them. We don't encourage them or discourage them. We have seen negative posts corrected by others.

We want fairness and civility and not only positive. And not only negative. Honesty. Fun.


I have to agree with this, I made a post that I should not have. I did hear about it. After thinking more on the situation Tony, I have to agree with you and offer my apology. People do see things differently and if I stepped across the line I didnt mean anything by it. That applies to all who may have have thought it was out of line.

:beer3:

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I look up to people who can and will apologize if after thinking about something they realize they could be mistaken. It shows depth, smarts, confidence and flexibility to grow.

[Guest]

BUT. If they continue to argue the same point after having said I'm sorry, then I want to smack them.

[Guest]

"We did not say we frown on negative posts. We have all seen a lot of them. We don't encourage them or discourage them. We have seen negative posts corrected by others.

We want fairness and civility and not only positive. And not only negative. Honesty "

Thank you Tony for stating your position on negative posts; I don't know where I got the idea they were frowned upon. As long as a person states his/her opinion in earnest, without malice or disrespect -- it should be acceptable to express the negative as well as positive aspects of life in TV -- and as a sincere wannabee -- I want to know it all !!

Thanks again, Admin - for your excellent product :coolsmiley:

[Guest]

I believe an easy way to stop the insults is to have one's REAL name here , instead of phony "handles".

When your real name is used, the mud slinging will stop.

That's my message, and my REAL name is,

Tony Cirocco

[Guest]

But, Tony Cirroco, we probably wouldn't like to tell about our "worst" dates and the like if everyone knew who we were.... ;) . Old flames may hear about our confessions. :faint:

[Guest]

My real name is Gracie too.

The devil is making me do this.

John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt.

That's my name toooooooooo.

Whenever we go out.

People always shout.

There goes John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt.

la la lala...............

[Guest]

Gracie, honey.... put that extra strength double latte down on the table right now and go walk around the block until the road stops rolling up and down under your feet! :boxing2: Methinks thou art getting punchy.

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NAW. It is just a little over coffeed is all Peach. I am a blonde and entitled to be ditsy.

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Gracie,
I am going to lend you my "BLONDE AND SMART" tee shirt. You will wear it proudly I know b/c it is descriptive of you. :agree:

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Gracie,
I am going to lend you my "BLONDE AND SMART" tee shirt. You will wear it proudly I know b/c it is descriptive of you. :agree:

AWWW Blondie.:shrug:

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I would MUCH RATHER see the person's recent photograph so I can have an image of who I'm communicating with; to me, it enhances the "friend" experience - - - -

especially since I'm only a wannabee and don't have the opportunity to meet anyone in person until I shlep myself 3,000 miles to TV. :shrug:

[Guest]

Mine is recent Coney. I had me in my prime on a bit back, just to prove that I was once a little better looking than I am now...to you all and to me too.

Coney...I notice that you change your photograph about every thirty seconds. What's up with that?

Not that they aren't all lovely.

Rhonda changes hers a lot too. Interesting to watch. I don't have anything very interesting to change to. I have had me and sweetie, My cats, My daughters, Me younger and back to me and sweetie.

[Guest]

LOL........ yes, I do change my photo often !! I don't know why..... maybe I just need to get a life :shrug: Just wait until the dead of winter, when it's snowing outside and I'm desperate for something to do.... maybe I'll change pics every 10 seconds :shrug:

If anyone finds it annoying - just tell me, and I'll just leave one photo on - but wouldn't that be boring :shrug:

[Guest]

LOL........ yes, I do change my photo often !! I don't know why..... maybe I just need to get a life :shrug: Just wait until the dead of winter, when it's snowing outside and I'm desperate for something to do.... maybe I'll change pics every 10 seconds :shrug:

If anyone finds it annoying - just tell me, and I'll just leave one photo on - but wouldn't that be boring :shrug:
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CIB, my vote is for you to continue posting your different pics as you do now. How interesting to enjoy your different shots, particularly in light of the fact I haven't taken the time to figure out how or what to post as an avatar.

[Guest]

Not annoying Coney. Versatile. ONE thing for sure. When you finally get here in TV and walk around the square, you will have three trillion people rush up and say CONEY! You are here!!!!!!!.... and hug you and you will think to yourself. WHO are all these old people???

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Not annoying Coney. Versatile. ONE thing for sure. When you finally get here in TV and walk around the square, you will have three trillion people rush up and say CONEY! You are here!!!!!!!.... and hug you and you will think to yourself. WHO are all these old people???


GG........ since I'm 70 years old...... I would probably say "WHO are all these young people???"
:rolleyes:

[Guest]

I believe an easy way to stop the insults is to have one's REAL name here , instead of phony "handles".

When your real name is used, the mud slinging will stop.

That's my message, and my REAL name is,

Tony Cirocco



WHAT!!!!

Ohmygoshohmygoshohmygosh!!!

Even though I am not a slinger of mud and never plan to become a slinger of mud, I could never, ever use my real name.

How would I make my shameless confessions? And sometimes, when I type after midnight, when I get really sleepy... Ohmygoshohmygosh, I would have to be particularly vigilant about never doing that again.

Oh, Tony Cirocco, it would all just be too much!!

So for the World of TOTV,

I remain,

Boomer - Boomer - Bo - oomer,
Banana - fanna - fo - foomer,
Fee - Fi - Mo - Moomer,

BOOMER!

[Guest]

WHAT!!!!

Ohmygoshohmygoshohmygosh!!!

Even though I am not a slinger of mud and never plan to become a slinger of mud, I could never, ever use my real name.

How would I make my shameless confessions? And sometimes, when I type after midnight, when I get really sleepy... Ohmygoshohmygosh, I would have to be particularly vigilant about never doing that again.

Oh, Tony Cirocco, it would all just be too much!!

So for the World of TOTV,

I remain,

Boomer - Boomer - Bo - oomer,
Banana - fanna - fo - foomer,
Fee - Fi - Mo - Moomer,

BOOMER!


She's my friend from Cincinnati. I just love her. I will never know her real name or ever really see her. Sigh.


AND CONEY. You are a liar liar pants on fire. YOU are not 70. SHAME ON YOU for telling fibs.

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LOL........ yes, I do change my photo often !! I don't know why..... maybe I just need to get a life :shrug: Just wait until the dead of winter, when it's snowing outside and I'm desperate for something to do.... maybe I'll change pics every 10 seconds :shrug:

If anyone finds it annoying - just tell me, and I'll just leave one photo on - but wouldn't that be boring :shrug:


Okay, I find it annoying. I am sorry. Maybe it's the poses, I don't know, but something in that whole exchange of personal information is troubling. Are the photos some kind of picture story of the change of seasons or just some staged photo shoot by one person. Maybe if a dog, cat or even squirrel were included it would take away the eeriness. Please don't take offense of my critique but you asked if anyone found it annoying, to say so.

[Guest]

CIB,

Your pictures are fine. I always hide from cameras and some people find that annoying I know, especially my family. Anyway, I think your pictures look nice. Although I must agree with GG, you are a liar, liar pants on fire because you are not 70.

Boomer

[Guest]

DON'T CAVE ON THIS , YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE PROBLEM HERE....THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MONTHS AND NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT....THE PERSON YOU ARE REFERRING TO HAS BEEN INSULTING, INACCURATE AND BORDERLINE IGNORANT OF THE FACTS CONCERNING THE CANDIDATES AND THERE SPOUSES (or is that spice ) ..
THIS PERSON ALSO HAS A LITTLE "ME TOO" ECHO THAT SUPPORTS EVERY WORD STATED AND OBVIOUSLY NEVER HAD AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT OF THEIR OWN...........
IF THEY WANT TO DELETE THIS , SO BE IT, BUT THEY CAN'T DENY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE..........

TIGHTROPE FUMAR

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CIB, I don't think you're 70 either....

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Boy Howdy

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Me too. It must be happy hour and I don't drink anymore.

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I read back through the posts and discovered the line of thought, GG and Sam. I then abandoned my statement and left that for something in which I have an opinion. I do know the moon is becoming very full. ;)

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DON'T CAVE ON THIS , YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE PROBLEM HERE....THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MONTHS AND NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT....THE PERSON YOU ARE REFERRING TO HAS BEEN INSULTING, INACCURATE AND BORDERLINE IGNORANT OF THE FACTS CONCERNING THE CANDIDATES AND THERE SPOUSES (or is that spice ) ..
THIS PERSON ALSO HAS A LITTLE "ME TOO" ECHO THAT SUPPORTS EVERY WORD STATED AND OBVIOUSLY NEVER HAD AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT OF THEIR OWN...........
IF THEY WANT TO DELETE THIS , SO BE IT, BUT THEY CAN'T DENY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE..........

TIGHTROPE FUMAR



Wow! Take a chill pill. :laugh: chilout

[Guest]

Ok tony........you can delete this now , i've had my say.....

Besides its out of sequence and no one will see it....

Fume

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Thank you CIB.

[Guest]

Hmmmmm...the moon is waxing gibbous..about 86% full..I think.;)

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Ok tony........you can delete this now , i've had my say.....

Besides its out of sequence and no one will see it....

Fume
Fumar,
Seen and agreed,
All of the complaints, explanations and constructive criticism in the world will never change someone from smart-mouthing and demonstrating bad manners and crude behavior - usually the sign of being very spoiled as a child, and the child-like behavior just continues with age.
In spite of it all, there are for the most part, very mature persons with considerable insight who participate on these boards. Having to put up with a couple overage spoiled children is just the price of free speech.

[Guest]

My goodness, you guys are kind of nasty tonight, aren't you? :evil6: hmmm, wonder what can be causing all this? Oh yes, Obama won! :a040:

[Guest]

Thank you CIB.

LOL - my gentleman friend and daughter both hate posed photos also, but like most females, I don't like unflattering pics !

Well, anyway.... GG should be proud of me - I hadn't changed my avatar in several hours today :clap2:

[Guest]

My goodness, you guys are kind of nasty tonight, aren't you? :evil6: hmmm, wonder what can be causing all this? Oh yes, Obama won! :a040:



The sad thing, and I DO mean sad, is that you really believe what you are saying in this post. These comments, and accurate comments, have NOTHING to do with who got elected and as I said...the really sad thing is that you cant see what you do on here to people !!!!!

[Guest]

THANKS STEVE :


I was beginning to feel alone ....:laugh::laugh:


fume

[Guest]

It sounds like sour grapes to me from both of you. I have read some pretty nasty stuff from both sides. Why single out one person?

[Guest]

THANKS STEVE :


I was beginning to feel alone ....:laugh::laugh:


fume



Believe me you are not alone !!!!!

[Guest]

The election is over.

I'm disappointed with reading these posts. I guess I had more respect for some of you and am taken back by your words.

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Well John , First of all ,you have to know the difference between 'CIVIL and DRIBBLE..........
The person we are refering to has been ''DOUBLE DRIBBLING '' for some time .......



fumar

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The election is over.

I'm disappointed with reading these posts. I guess I had more respect for some of you and am taken back by your words.


I will only respond for myself and say this....this has NOTHING to do with any election. It has only to do with posts that are NOT on any subject...HAVE no meaning OTHER THAN TO DEMEAN ANOTHE POSTER....the "cutsey" little cut to the poster being responded to and then subsequent follow up.....I know you, and her, think it has to do with the results of the election, and I suppose all I can say is that it does not and ask you to accept it.

I am at least responding to what you SAID..and not making a cutting, demeaning, cute comment about you or what you think !

[Guest]

I agree with Bright, the election is over and now we have aftermath. Whether civil or dribble as you call it, so be it, time to move on and slay other dragons. All's fair in love and war. The Political thread was war. Anything goes, right...You win some and you lose some, that's life, etc, etc.

[Guest]

So...are these comments that all of you would make face to face? That's what this thread is about and I am curious.

[Guest]

I agree with Bright, the election is over and now we have aftermath. Whether civil or dribble as you call it, so be it, time to move on and slay other dragons. All's fair in love and war. The Political thread was war. Anything goes, right...You win some and you lose some, that's life, etc, etc.



If I am reading all these comments, there is to be NO MORE POLITICAL discussion since the Presidential election is over...is that it ?

Are we not allowed to discuss what is going on...what is proposed OR will be subject to responses when we do try and discuss...."hey the game is over"....or "that ship has sailed".

Has all political discussion been wiped away now ???????? You folks seem to think that political discussion is limited to a "season" !

[Guest]

Bucco, I really don't want to engage you but you are not following the Golden Rule given by our Talk Host. You are leveling charges without any proof of the posts themselves. Who are we talking about? The name of this thread is Face to Face.

[Guest]

Just one more thing...JOHNNYM says we have "aftermath"...what is that exactly. There was discussion on proposed legislation...is that not allowed for some reason now ?

Listen I opposed Sen Obama in his race but have said here and will say again....I am an American first and I hope his presidency is a walloping success for this country, but I will not stop discussing issues and will not stop having an opinion on what is going on. That seems like what you all are saying and the flip cutsey remarks you seem be defending...well, if that is how we, as americans, are supposed to act now....dont disagree...dont discuss...then, well we are sunk, arent we ??

[Guest]

Well now.....the Eagles and the Colts are playing tonight. Wooohooooo
And in other news, does the word "schlossed" mean anything in regards to this thread?

[Guest]

So...are these comments that all of you would make face to face? That's what this thread is about and I am curious.


This is how I feel....not sure what this means what you are saying. Your question could be asked of every poster on every post and I dont understand it.
The administrator started a thread and it is being discussed...here we go again....it is not in agreement with you and others so we should just shut up and go away...not the way this country works !

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Well now.....the Eagles and the Colts are playing tonight. Wooohooooo
And in other news, does the word "schlossed" mean anything in regards to this thread?


Dont agree with the thread....get cutsey !! Got it !!!!

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Well now.....the Eagles and the Colts are playing tonight. Wooohooooo
And in other news, does the word "schlossed" mean anything in regards to this thread?



By the way, it is the Eagles and the Giants....Colts beat Pittsburgh earlier !

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Bucco, the "aftermath" I mentioned was the negativity displayed by Fumar. Political discussion will never die and I did not say it should. The winner was named and the remarks, whether you thought cutesy or not, were part of the process. So political commentary will continue, where is the problem you keep referring to?

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Bucco, the "aftermath" I mentioned was the negativity displayed by Fumar. Political discussion will never die and I did not say it should. The winner was named and the remarks, whether you thought cutesy or not, were part of the process. So political commentary will continue, where is the problem you keep referring to?



The comments I refer to were AFTER the election !!!! You do not simply tell someone when discussing an issue...."that ship has sailed" or make cute cracks about the posters. I mean you can, and I dont understand defense of it...but maybe it is me. I simply want to discuss politics....

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Schlossed...what's schlossed???:1rotfl:
Twas brillig and the sl.........toad....did gear and gimble in the wamby. :blahblahblah::duck:


GO GIANTS

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Bucco I only posted here because I didn't understand Fumar's post. Then Steve and then you. It sounded like we didn't win let's get some retribution. You are saying it had nothing to do with the election and I can't confirm or deny your accusations therefore I will bow out. I just feel if the Admins did not admonish the poster or pull the post it was legit. Part of the give and take.

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Well Blondie, that got his attention!!! LOL
Yes Bucco, I did want to interject something "cutsey" and wrong to derail where this thread was heading. Oops..where it is. Things have been rather civil lately. Boring but civil. Now all hell breaks loose and look at the page views soar. It would be funny if it wasn't so damn sad. I think we are all so furious about what has happened to our country that we are striking out at one another because we have NO apparent ability to strike at those that have brought our nation almost to its' knees. Many of us have seen our savings and investments
decrease at a rate that is shocking. I think most of the fury I see here is a result of impotent rage at the unfairness of this financial collapse.
BTW Bucco, I knew it was one of those Manning boys. LOL

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Maybe I can put this particularly ugly thread to rest as Fumar, SteveZ and Bucco are talking about me.

Bucco, I think you truly love politics. Much more than I do. Yes, I do, at times, give "cutesy" remarks. I don't know how something like "This ship has sailed." is such a problem, but if my remarks offended you, I wholeheartedly apologize. You are a much more serious debater then I am.

SteveZ, I also think you truly love politics. We have never been on the same page, but I thought that was alright in this country. I thought that's what this country was all about. The freedom to exchange ideas, the freedom to comment. It might not be in the style you'd comment, but it's still my right.

Fumar, PERHAPS I'D BETTER TYPE THIS IN CAPS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU THINK YOU CAN GET YOUR POINT ACROSS. Yet, I don't know what your point is? You've left many people baffled here. Was it your point to put me down personally ? Were you angry at something else and I was an easy target? Honestly, I don't think you had a point.

Johnny asked "who you were all talking about?" And no one answered. So I will. They were all talking about me. But, no one had the courage to say it.

So rant on and pretend this is all about me. Let's pretend it's not about who won or lost. Let's pretend none of it is sour grapes. I won't respond again. The floor is yours. And, yes, I would say everything I comment on, Face to Face.

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Chelsea,
That was very well said, and I know it came from your heart. I believe that thoughtful people can disagree, and, clearly you do as well. Thank you for your post.
I also appreciate your sense of humor, I hope you never loose it.

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I applaud you, Chelsea, for going Face to Face. That's more than other posters can say here and you should be proud! I'm proud of you and respect you for the honest lady you are. You say it like it is and make no punches...no beating around the bush...no inuendos. You are to be admired.

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I wish more of you had met Chelsea "face to face". The woman has a wicked sense of humor. She would also give you the shirt off her back. She has an outrageous wit and is willing to laugh at herself. She is trustworthy,
funny, smart and has a heart of pure gold. You can't tell that on this forum.
You read words..and words can be so brutal and cold. Many of us have said it before..you can't read expressions on the forum. If you could, you would know how she teases and jokes with people. I do guarantee if you needed help, she would be there for you long before McCain, Obama, (or any of the politicians that we so vociferously defend) showed up.
Now..who is the echo? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Chels, this quote from Lewis Mumford; "A certain amount of opposition is a great help to a man. Kites rise against, not with the wind", feels apropos right now. You and I were definitely on opposite sides of the fence for this election and I too felt the frustration when we verbally sparred. Your man won, mine did not. Even though we do not know each other well, I did not feel personally attacked by you and for that I admire you. You were relentlessy adamant in your convictions but often no less so than many others whom felt they had the only correct facts and message. (Perhaps myself included.) This is probably a good time for everyone to pull out the full length mirror and take a good look.

And BTW, Chels, I still think the wrong man won but I'm hoping for the best.
Good luck to you and God bless our wonderful nation.

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Bucco, I think you truly love politics. Much more than I do. Yes, I do, at times, give "cutesy" remarks. I don't know how something like "This ship has sailed." is such a problem, but if my remarks offended you, I wholeheartedly apologize. You are a much more serious debater then I am.
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Thanks for responding directly and I will do the same !!!!

My problem is that you NEVER EVER dicuss issues...you simply make an off the cuff, cutsey and frankly at times insulting remark about the poster you dont agree with.

"this ship has sailed" in the middle of a discussion about an issue where NOBODY had said anything out of order except to exchange views on a particular issue was not necessary and simply a smart crack. It said nothing to the issue and was aimed SIMPLY because the issue being discussed was one that President Elect Obama happens to support.

You have made comments about me personaly when responding and if you even touched a bit on the issue being discused instead of simply dismissing with a smart inane insult it would not be so bad, but if you have nothing to say on the issue and are just angry because you happen to like a party of a candidate who has a stance on the issue, then I strongly suggest you read up on the issue instead of simply insulting the poster and making snide remarks.

As far as serious is concerned...if I wanted to exchange cute snide insults I would find another thread. I come here to learn what is going on and to exchange ideas with people which is what I thought was the reason for this particular area. If I wanted something else like cute, then maybe I would come to the others where you post those things.

I hope that makes sense to you and all the crew !!! If I, or anyone came into some of the other threads that you folks post in and actually ignored the ISSUE and simply made snide remarks I am sure you would not like it.

I am speaking for me, and only me,and the post applies to all of those who follow around and find that this thread is insulting when in fact ONLY you and a couple others make it that way.....discuss the issue not the poster !

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I missed the particularily ugly thread. Deleted? Chels, your open face to face reply lets me get the drift of what was said. :cus:

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Good response, Chels. I give you a lot of credit and respect for facing the heat head on. In your passion for politics and talents with a catchy phrase, some took your comments more personally than you may have intended. I probably winced once or twice myself.... but, wholeheartedly support your right to express yourself.

Others have similar strong feelings about issues and disagreements create animosity. The competitive nature of our society...us vs them, win vs lose, in your face, etc makes it much more difficult to have rational, reasonable discussions.

The political forum got very heated and posts along the way became personal or were intrepreted to be personal attacks even when they weren't. The Admins' reminder to be civil and not to attack other members should have been a fresh starting point for new discussions.

The election is over but discussion of issues goes on. I would hope that discussion of our public figures doesn't degrade any further than what one would hear on O'Reilly, Leno, or Jon Stewart. Public figures are fair game...TOTV members are not.

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Bucco, I was on the same side of the fence as you for this election but didn't realize you were the moderator of all matter posted. I feel intimidated and bullied by you and I'm on YOUR side. I have valid political basis for my decisions and have done the research but the rhetoric and tone here has ruined my taste for the political forum. BTW, "that ship has sailed" does convey a message and does leave room for discussion from you. I don't know Chels personally and we've sparred over the election but I'm probably considered part of her gang. Those are your opinions and you are entitled to them just as Chels is entitled hers. Look in the mirror, we are all so human!

[Guest]

Hey Bucco, Sarah was cute!!! Why can't all of us girls be cute, also?

UH OH


I'm asking for trouble now!!!

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Chels and others-

You have a large close circle of friends on TOTV. I think if any of your circle ever really knew me, including you-you would like me. I never had anybody not like me before...that's why I cried so much. I had never gone through anything like this before. And by the way, I am still in touch with the strangers you and certain others attacked thinking it was me.

Well in the world I live in, my friends are always nice to everybody.
I know there are many nice people on TOTV that are like that and there are more super nice people in the Villages that would never be nasty. Also, know I want no trouble with anybody. I am very blessed with many real friends.

I wish you and your friends only the best. I think it is a new day on TOTV and I think it is for the better. I am sending you ALL loving and postive thoughts. THE END!

Peace.
Best Mom
Yes I took a long nap....

[Guest]

I guess our forum has turned into a chat room.

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Bucco, I was on the same side of the fence as you for this election but didn't realize you were the moderator of all matter posted. I feel intimidated and bullied by you and I'm on YOUR side. I have valid political basis for my decisions and have done the research but the rhetoric and tone here has ruined my taste for the political forum. BTW, "that ship has sailed" does convey a message and does leave room for discussion from you. I don't know Chels personally and we've sparred over the election but I'm probably considered part of her gang. Those are your opinions and you are entitled to them just as Chels is entitled hers. Look in the mirror, we are all so human!


NOBODY EVER SAID that anyone is not entitled to their opinion. HOWEVER personal remarks, IN MY OPINION...not trying to tell anyone else...BUT IN MY OPINION do not belong. If you folks feel that you can slam posters INSTEAD of discussing issues,that is fine with me.

I learn from folks who post on here and when I read a post, I mostly end up investigating what was said to broaden my knowledge.

Obviously there are more who think that the personal, cute remarks without discussing the issue is the way to go, thus I bow to you and will try to just sort through it all and read what I want.

I DID NOT begin this thread....I DID NOT instigate the discussion on one single poster......I did however try to confront it head on....for that I am truely sorry. This is not a new issue on here, as most of you know. It was addressed and the majority seem to feel it is fine...I accept that and all the little digs that come with it !

I can only imagine the reaction if I came on one of the many threads on here and offered nothing about the subject matter, but simply made digs at the posters with whom I disagree !!!!

You remark about me being the moderator is accepted...not sure I understand it.....as I said, I did NOT START this discussion and offered my opinion only.

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When I was taught as a child NEVER to discuss religion or politics outside of your home and family I wondered why.

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Maybe I can put this particularly ugly thread to rest as Fumar, SteveZ and Bucco are talking about me.
....
SteveZ, I also think you truly love politics. We have never been on the same page, but I thought that was alright in this country. I thought that's what this country was all about. The freedom to exchange ideas, the freedom to comment. It might not be in the style you'd comment, but it's still my right.
......


Chels,

There was never a question about "freedom to..." In that same "freedom...." is also the freedom to inform when remarks get too insulting and too demeaning. That has occurred several times with as much civility as possible, but just seems to be written off as "it's just my style, tough it out..." So be it, then.

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Good response, Chels. I give you a lot of credit and respect for facing the heat head on.
I would hope that discussion of our public figures doesn't degrade any further than what one would hear on O'Reilly, Leno, or Jon Stewart. Public figures are fair game...TOTV members are not.

As always, Seven is the voice of reason. I have enjoyed all past political posts; and yes, at times there were some low blows thrown. By both sides. Now that the election is over, I hope political discussions continue. I learn a lot from the informed posters and I think we can all ignore any superficialities and enjoy the wisdom.

And I hope we remember Seven's wise words: Public figures are fair game, TOTV members are not.

[Guest]

Might be a good spot for this one to end, I kinda lost track of how many channels this one turned to. Holidays are around the corner, lets all be kind and get along.

[Guest]

Okay Money, let's test the waters..... If you all are serious for ending this contentious thread on a high note, just post the following one word and I will start it off:

Amen!

[Guest]

Amen

[Guest]

Okay Money, let's test the waters..... If you all are serious for ending this contentious thread on a high note, just post the following one word and I will start it off:

Amen!

Amen :agree::a040:

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Amen. :0000000000luvmyhors

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amen

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nuts !!!





oops , wait a minute , thats already been taken.............

[Guest]

Come on Oh Great One......Show us you are just as human as we are. Let yourself go!

[Guest]

Come on Oh Great One......Show us you are just as human as we are. Let yourself go!

Use the Force Luke, Dig deep in side

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I don't know Money, I think a few guys want to keep this "grudge" alive. One little word clears the air up there! Come on people feel the love:0000000000luvmyhors

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:mornincoffee::bowdown::shrug:

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:a040: JM will get them there,, come on all, Just Say it!!! its a great day, lets hear it...

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Please watch for my response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epGwSH3cbf4

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Come on...clap your hands :clap2:, join the rhythm :pepper2: and say it!

:bowdown:A M E N :bowdown:

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I'm sorry to hear this discussion...Please don't leave, instead, read what others have to say, walk away from items that infuriate...but only for the time it takes to let the emotions subside and logical thinking return. Then write a rebuttal based on fact, not emotion. Yes this may take some research on your part but your rebuttal will put your opponent to shame. If those who disagree with you start their argument with slings and arrows, they have already lost...don't stoop to their level, rise above, prove your point...the discussion will remain civil, we will all remain friends, even if we have differing opinions.

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I'm sorry to hear this discussion...Please don't leave, instead, read what others have to say, walk away from items that infuriate...but only for the time it takes to let the emotions subside and logical thinking return. Then write a rebuttal based on fact, not emotion. Yes this may take some research on your part but your rebuttal will put your opponent to shame. If those who disagree with you start their argument with slings and arrows, they have already lost...don't stoop to their level, rise above, prove your point...the discussion will remain civil, we will all remain friends, even if we have differing opinions.

This thread is four years old. Or am I missing something?

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"Can't we all just get along?" Who said this?

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"Can't we all just get along?" Who said this?

This is mostly attributed, according to web sources, to Rodney King in a public appearance after his LAPD experience: "People, I just want to say, can't we all get along?" Over the years, and in different venues (songs, articles, etc.) it has been slightly changed from time to time to what you posted. Btw....wasn't til I looked this up that I remembered Rodney died at the young age of 47! Ciao!

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Wwjd?

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What happened to decorum and a sense of respect?

Here is the golden rule.

When posting here,or anywhere else on this forum, use exactly the same words and phrases you would use if you were face to face with the person to whom you are responding.

Anybody who uses contorted spellings of members screen names or makes statements that are inflammatory simply because they are hiding behind a keyboard, in my estimation, is a coward. That kind of activity was not okay in high school, and it's not okay here.

This also applies to private messages.

The administrators are real tired of receiving emails and messages about what members are calling each other and what one said about another. If you can't be civil here, please leave.

[Guest]

It is obvious that this forum is completely unmoderated....and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

While there are certain advantages for those that need to blow off steam in anonymity, I have just a couple of suggestions (suggestions only)...that might make it a better forum.

1. Assigning some type of identifier to members posting, even if it is simply 'Guest1,' Guest2,' Guest3, etc. IMHO, it would make it a lot easier to know who it is that you are addressing and avoid a lot of confusion and false accusations toward those who might not have even posted to you.


2. Hide the Political Forum posts from the Home Page, so that it takes a request to management to access this forum forum. I think it would be a benefit to what is otherwise a great family friendly site, if a passer-bye couldn't click and see some of the really nasty stuff posted in this forum. You can still show it on the Home Page, just have a notice that it takes a request to management if you want access to it. That is the way the site I moderated worked and it seemed to work well.

Not a mandate to management by any means, simply a couple of suggestions...that I believe would make things a bit better IMHO. :shrug:



:wave:

CNM

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This is on the brink of being very corrupt. No 1st amendment for you!!

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This thread is four years old. Or am I missing something?You aren't missing a thing -- except part of this thread is eight years old. :popcorn:

[Taltarzac725]

Here is the golden rule.

When posting here,or anywhere else on this forum, use exactly the same words and phrases you would use if you were face to face with the person to whom you are responding.

Anybody who uses contorted spellings of members screen names or makes statements that are inflammatory simply because they are hiding behind a keyboard, in my estimation, is a coward. That kind of activity was not okay in high school, and it's not okay here.

This also applies to private messages.

The administrators are real tired of receiving emails and messages about what members are calling each other and what one said about another. If you can't be civil here, please leave.


These are wise words.