A somewhat different point of view ...

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... from an active political scientist (not me...):

Candidates know things about each other that the rest of us will never know. Remember what they say about each other. Yes, of course it's political grandstanding, and each hopes to win, but we know before anything is definite that the losers of each party will support the winner of the respective party.

So, remember what they say about each other, because there are truths there that we would not otherwise know. This applies to both parties. Hillary carries the baggage of her husband, no matter what, and she cannot escape it. Rubio, like Obama, has had little experience other than a few years as a US senator, for those who complained all along that Obama didn't have the experience for the presidency. These are just two examples.

The political health of our country is at stake. For those who say that this is business as usual, they may be right. But we at least can be as conscious as we can about who will ultimately be our candidates, and listening to them campaigning is important in knowing not only them but their opponents as well....

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... from an active political scientist (not me...):

Candidates know things about each other that the rest of us will never know. Remember what they say about each other. Yes, of course it's political grandstanding, and each hopes to win, but we know before anything is definite that the losers of each party will support the winner of the respective party.

So, remember what they say about each other, because there are truths there that we would not otherwise know. This applies to both parties. Hillary carries the baggage of her husband, no matter what, and she cannot escape it. Rubio, like Obama, has had little experience other than a few years as a US senator, for those who complained all along that Obama didn't have the experience for the presidency. These are just two examples.

The political health of our country is at stake. For those who say that this is business as usual, they may be right. But we at least can be as conscious as we can about who will ultimately be our candidates, and listening to them campaigning is important in knowing not only them but their opponents as well....

You really should research Rubio before putting out false information regarding his experience.

Cruz: 45 years old and two years political experience in congress
Rubio: 44 years old and 15 years political experience including 4 years in the Senate.

He may look young, but he has every bit the right to run for president as anyone else. Kennedy was in his 30's.

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You really should research Rubio before putting out false information regarding his experience.

Cruz: 45 years old and two years political experience in congress
Rubio: 44 years old and 15 years political experience including 4 years in the Senate.

He may look young, but he has every bit the right to run for president as anyone else. Kennedy was in his 30's.

And with the lowering of the qualifications bar by Obama's acceptance there is no issue!

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You really should research Rubio before putting out false information regarding his experience.

Cruz: 45 years old and two years political experience in congress
Rubio: 44 years old and 15 years political experience including 4 years in the Senate.

He may look young, but he has every bit the right to run for president as anyone else. Kennedy was in his 30's.


No Kennedy was 43. You are writing this on a computer....look it up. You really should do YOUR research...

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No Kennedy was 43. You are writing this on a computer....look it up. You really should do YOUR research...

You are totally right. It must have been the lack of coffee this morning. I have no idea why I said "30's" when everyone knows he was 43 years old. That was a big deal when he was elected. That and him being a Catholic.

My bad. I admit it. I am chagrined. :mornincoffee:

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JFK was a member of congress at around age 30, and elected to the senate at age 36. THEN he was youngest elected president at age 43.

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You really should research Rubio before putting out false information regarding his experience.

Cruz: 45 years old and two years political experience in congress
Rubio: 44 years old and 15 years political experience including 4 years in the Senate.

He may look young, but he has every bit the right to run for president as anyone else. Kennedy was in his 30's.

I was just using Clinton and Rubio as examples: Clinton having her husband as an albatross around her neck, and Rubio having the same (I should have said) US Senate experience as people have complained that Obama had and that it was inadequate. Again, these were just examples; I re-read what I wrote and see that I never mentioned Cruz.

My OP was before the Iowa caucuses. Things do change, don't they? Even so, I see the point that was made to me: to remember what these candidates say about each other. Granted we have to weed out the conspicuous lies, but beyond this, there are things they know about each other that we do not....

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You really should research Rubio before putting out false information regarding his experience.

Cruz: 45 years old and two years political experience in congress
Rubio: 44 years old and 15 years political experience including 4 years in the Senate.

He may look young, but he has every bit the right to run for president as anyone else. Kennedy was in his 30's.

Don't forget about all the experience he got working for his brother-in-law.

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I was just using Clinton and Rubio as examples: Clinton having her husband as an albatross around her neck, and Rubio having the same (I should have said) US Senate experience as people have complained that Obama had and that it was inadequate. Again, these were just examples; I re-read what I wrote and see that I never mentioned Cruz.

My OP was before the Iowa caucuses. Things do change, don't they? Even so, I see the point that was made to me: to remember what these candidates say about each other. Granted we have to weed out the conspicuous lies, but beyond this, there are things they know about each other that we do not....

You make a good observation. However, there is NO perfect candidate. Never will be. Everyone filters the pluses and minuses of each candidate and then picks the one they find is closest to their ideology, and with the least corruption. Other than Hillary's followers. They choose out of their belief that she will be the first female president, whether she would make a good one or not. Same thing they did with Obama. They also support Hillary, even knowing that she is a felon, that she lies, that she stays with her husband for political gain only, and that she is culpable in the cover up in Benghazi. That is much worst than merely filtering through a candidate's faults.

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As the primaries unfold, more than ever is the importance of remembering what candidates say about each other. They know things about each other that we'll never know, and now is the time to make note of them. Though this year is certainly different, when the primaries are over and each party picks a candidate, then the losing candidate(s) will support the winner--and to some extent the truth will disappear. And who knows? This year there could even be an independent running, which will certainly make things even more strange.

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... from an active political scientist (not me...):

Candidates know things about each other that the rest of us will never know. Remember what they say about each other. Yes, of course it's political grandstanding, and each hopes to win, but we know before anything is definite that the losers of each party will support the winner of the respective party.

So, remember what they say about each other, because there are truths there that we would not otherwise know. This applies to both parties. Hillary carries the baggage of her husband, no matter what, and she cannot escape it. Rubio, like Obama, has had little experience other than a few years as a US senator, for those who complained all along that Obama didn't have the experience for the presidency. These are just two examples.

The political health of our country is at stake. For those who say that this is business as usual, they may be right. But we at least can be as conscious as we can about who will ultimately be our candidates, and listening to them campaigning is important in knowing not only them but their opponents as well....

Not sure what baggage you're referring to here but it to any honest observer it is totally unfair if you're referring to Bill Clinton's sexual exploits. Now you may WANT to attach it to his wife but...... like I said, no honest observer would blame Hillary.

As a progressive I love sitting back and watching republicans show the world what classless, clowns are representing their party. Truth is, these classless clowns are just a reflection of the people of their party.

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Not sure what baggage you're referring to here but it to any honest observer it is totally unfair if you're referring to Bill Clinton's sexual exploits. Now you may WANT to attach it to his wife but...... like I said, no honest observer would blame Hillary.

As a progressive I love sitting back and watching republicans show the world what classless, clowns are representing their party. Truth is, these classless clowns are just a reflection of the people of their party.

All I can say is when someone throws rocks like the above....a person who belongs to a party that has as it's major choice to represent them in a presidential race....a felon.....a liar....an incompetent....professed continuation of Obama's reign....untrustworthy....self centered....unqualified....past her prime (if there ever was one)....whose only ohter claim to fame is being married to Slick Willie......

you really are high on the sauce....
you are a radical, no matter what partisan....
you have no idea what you just said.....

playing it safe would be all the above.

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...and Trump, rubio, and Cruz represent class?

They are clowns riding around in circles in their Republican clown car in circles until te clown car goes over a cliff.

Hillary has testified in front of Gowdy's hearings and the Americans have seen those were totally partisan hearings that produced nothing except a waste of money.

In order to be a felon, you must be convicted of a felony. Oh, you are a Republican so you can say what you want? Get a life.

Lies? Look at Trump, Rubio, and Cruz as prime examples of liars.

Rubio will not even win his home state in the primary! He is a loser.

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I was just using Clinton and Rubio as examples: Clinton having her husband as an albatross around her neck, and Rubio having the same (I should have said) US Senate experience as people have complained that Obama had and that it was inadequate. Again, these were just examples; I re-read what I wrote and see that I never mentioned Cruz.

My OP was before the Iowa caucuses. Things do change, don't they? Even so, I see the point that was made to me: to remember what these candidates say about each other. Granted we have to weed out the conspicuous lies, but beyond this, there are things they know about each other that we do not....

I don't agree with your statement that Bill Clinton is Hillary's "albatross". My god, the economy was never better under his administration. We actually had a surplus. He is enormously popular with Democrats, despite the Lewinsky thing; his poll numbers were good when he left office, and still are. He has proven himself popular with the black voters, and they are an important part of the election equation, especially in the face of Trump's racism should he get the nomination.

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Rubio: 44 years old and 15 years political experience including 4 years in the Senate.

So the downside for Rubio is listed above. However the baggage being carried by Hillary is being ignored

what a country!

Personal Best Regards:

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I don't agree with your statement that Bill Clinton is Hillary's "albatross". My god, the economy was never better under his administration. We actually had a surplus. He is enormously popular with Democrats, despite the Lewinsky thing; his poll numbers were good when he left office, and still are. He has proven himself popular with the black voters, and they are an important part of the election equation, especially in the face of Trump's racism should he get the nomination.

Good economy? And you won't address the fact that he refused to kill Bin Laden when all he had to do was give the sniper that green light. He is also instrumental in the mortgage crisis, which was also part of the collapse of the housing bubble. Yep, he was a pillar, but more like a pile.......a pile of sh...

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You really should research Rubio before putting out false information regarding his experience.

Cruz: 45 years old and two years political experience in congress
Rubio: 44 years old and 15 years political experience including 4 years in the Senate.

He may look young, but he has every bit the right to run for president as anyone else. Kennedy was in his 30's.

He may have held office for that time be he has a habit of not showing up for work.

So in his years in the Senate what bill(s) that he proposed, not signed on to, have been made into law?

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He may have held office for that time be he has a habit of not showing up for work.

So in his years in the Senate what bill(s) that he proposed, not signed on to, have been made into law?

If nobody ever heard of Obama and nobody seemed to give a damn about whether he did his job or not....why is it all of a sudden such a big :swear:
deal?

Ooooppps. I forgot Obama is a democrat....hence no problem!

BS!

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When we speak about candidates and their support how do you suppose it happened that Jim Webb or Martin O'malley could not even make the needle move slightly compared to Hillary. How is it Hillary just overshadowed both these guys. Was it the message, experience, past performance, etc.? I think it is the America system of picking leaders, it is completely rigged and depends on keeping voters ignorant. The media makes so mush money from these campaigns they are not the pit bulls they used to be, or should be. I just don't see any way in a sane system Hillary could completely bury Webb and O'malley, both I think should have at least be able to make a showing.

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Do we want Bill Clinton to influence the affairs of this country again. Then another scandal like before . No. And can Trump really be any worse than what we have. Maybe but then maybe not.

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He may have held office for that time be he has a habit of not showing up for work.

So in his years in the Senate what bill(s) that he proposed, not signed on to, have been made into law?

So what THREE(3) bills did Hillary pass while in the senate??? That's all she did in the whole time she occupied a seat in congress.

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Do we want Bill Clinton to influence the affairs of this country again. Then another scandal like before . No. And can Trump really be many worse than what we have. Maybe but then maybe not.

Right, let's elect Trump and have the KKK influence the affairs of this country. Not.

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Rubio: 44 years old and 15 years political experience including 4 years in the Senate.

So the downside for Rubio is listed above. However the baggage being carried by Hillary is being ignored

what a country!

Personal Best Regards:






Ruby has been a Senator for four years during which he has missed close to 50 percent of Committee meetings and Senate votes.

In actuality he has been a Senator for less than one year.

The rest of the time he plays those who voted for him for the gullible fools they are

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So what THREE(3) bills did Hillary pass while in the senate??? That's all she did in the whole time she occupied a seat in congress.


There are pages of things that she accomplished, that have been posted on this website. People like you just refuse to read the facts because they don't support your view of reality.

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You really should research Rubio before putting out false information regarding his experience.

Cruz: 45 years old and two years political experience in congress
Rubio: 44 years old and 15 years political experience including 4 years in the Senate.

He may look young, but he has every bit the right to run for president as anyone else. Kennedy was in his 30's.

Kennedy was in his 40's!!!!! You talk about someone doing their research. A simple google search proves you a maroon!!!!!

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Kennedy was in his 40's!!!!! You talk about someone doing their research. A simple google search proves you a maroon!!!!!

Hey, I didn't realize you were still posting. Haven't seen you in a long time. How are the cats doing? Have to get together over a Maker's Mark sometime.

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There are pages of things that she accomplished, that have been posted on this website. People like you just refuse to read the facts because they don't support your view of reality.

Lies by the left. She has accomplished NOTHING. Anyone can embellish on a resume'. Intelligent people can see through the BS. She passed three, and only three bills in the senate and not one of them did anything that made a difference in anyone's lives. The Clintions are scumbags and leaches.

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Kennedy was in his 40's!!!!! You talk about someone doing their research. A simple google search proves you a maroon!!!!!

That was already addressed, idiot. Are you brainless?

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Ruby has been a Senator for four years during which he has missed close to 50 percent of Committee meetings and Senate votes.

In actuality he has been a Senator for less than one year.

The rest of the time he plays those who voted for him for the gullible fools they are

Not true. Do you want to compare his record with Kerry's or Obama's, etc? He had more than one committee requirement and found it hard to show up for all of them at one time. Why don't you quit repeating liberal talking points and do a bit of your won research? That way, you don't look like an idiot. As if that would be possible.

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Right, let's elect Trump and have the KKK influence the affairs of this country. Not.

Other than the issue of him not disavowing the KKK endorsement immediately upon hearing of it, Trump has not ever shown racial bias. I have no intention of voting for him, but if you are going to ignorantly disparage someone, I will correct you. You really should try not to parrot everything that the liar Killary says, before finding out if there is any fact involved. Surely you know by now that what she says is likely a lie.

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Other than the issue of him not disavowing the KKK endorsement immediately upon hearing of it, Trump has not ever shown racial bias. I have no intention of voting for him, but if you are going to ignorantly disparage someone, I will correct you. You really should try not to parrot everything that the liar Killary says, before finding out if there is any fact involved. Surely you know by now that what she says is likely a lie.

What is wrong with being a racist anymore?
Obama has shown that playing the race card must be OK.....he has done so continuously for 7 plus years and most of his life before coming out of the shadows of being unknown.

Hollywood uses racism as a matter of course.

Sharpton, Jackson, Obama (both of them) are the racial prime movers of the day.

So if they do it it is OK? And anybody else is called on it.

BS!

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I am the OP of this thread, and if anyone will read my OP, you can see that there was NOTHING partisan in it. It was an idea given to me by a political scientist to keep track of what candidates say about each other BEFORE each party finally chooses a candidate, as those comments will disappear under the rug by then. That was all I was passing on. This point gets more and more relevant as the primary season continues. Can ANYONE address a non-partisan suggestion about a political process without becoming partisan themselves--and without deteriorating into insults and name calling?

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There are pages of things that she accomplished, that have been posted on this website. People like you just refuse to read the facts because they don't support your view of reality.

Yes, I have received many resume's embellished with fluff and no substance. I can understand why you would vote for her, if you find her references to be that good. She should get together with Trump as a team, because they are both liars. Oh, that's right they have been together in the past. He has paid her quite a few times. It's a moot point anyway, because it's only a matter of time before she is taken out of the game. Might as well start concentrating on Sanders now, because it looks like he will have to carry on for Dem party. Nice to know that the Dem party is going to us a socialist to represent them. That should be good for a very few votes.

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All I can say is when someone throws rocks like the above....a person who belongs to a party that has as it's major choice to represent them in a presidential race....a felon.....a liar....an incompetent....professed continuation of Obama's reign....untrustworthy....self centered....unqualified....past her prime (if there ever was one)....whose only ohter claim to fame is being married to Slick Willie......

you really are high on the sauce....
you are a radical, no matter what partisan....
you have no idea what you just said.....

playing it safe would be all the above.

Felon? Elaborate or take a seat!

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Felon? Elaborate or take a seat!

There are too many posts that explain that Hillary is a felon that it's not necessary to consume time explaining it to you. If you are not familiar with her crimes, then you are too uninformed to vote, because you are several years behind current events. You should be ashamed to admit that you do not even know your own candidate.

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For example:

CAN IT BE ANY CLEARER?? « A Nation Beguiled (http://anationbeguiled.com/?p=11871)

We expect the attack on the source.....but if you don't like this one there are just too many to ignore.

The only savings grace Clinton has, to date anyway, is the threat of implication of Obama and others.

Otherwise she would be behind bars just as quick as Petraeus was!

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For example:

CAN IT BE ANY CLEARER?? « A Nation Beguiled (http://anationbeguiled.com/?p=11871)

We expect the attack on the source.....but if you don't like this one there are just too many to ignore.

The only savings grace Clinton has, to date anyway, is the threat of implication of Obama and others.

Otherwise she would be behind bars just as quick as Petraeus was!

:agree:...:thumbup:

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This seems more and more relevant as the campaigns continue....

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But we at least can be as conscious as we can about who will ultimately be our candidates, and listening to them campaigning is important in knowing not only them but their opponents as well....
I pay a lot of attention to what all the candidates say.
Do you think there is lying, twisting the truth and exaggerating this time more so then in any other past presidential election?

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I pay a lot of attention to what all the candidates say.
Do you think there is lying, twisting the truth and exaggerating this time more so then in any other past presidential election?

Nope, if their lips are moving they are definitely lying.

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I pay a lot of attention to what all the candidates say.
Do you think there is lying, twisting the truth and exaggerating this time more so then in any other past presidential election?

Nope, if their lips are moving they are definitely lying.

So why do you keep voting for them and not a 3rd party or independent? You KNOW they're liars yet you vote for them...why? To keep the other liar from getting elected? Vote for whom you WANT to win, not a liar that's place there for you!

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So why do you keep voting for them and not a 3rd party or independent? You KNOW they're liars yet you vote for them...why? To keep the other liar from getting elected? Vote for whom you WANT to win, not a liar that's place there for you!
I didn't write both posts. I don't believe everyone is lying all the time. I know the difference between a fact and an opinion.

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So why do you keep voting for them and not a 3rd party or independent? You KNOW they're liars yet you vote for them...why? To keep the other liar from getting elected? Vote for whom you WANT to win, not a liar that's place there for you!

I vote based on ideology. Not based on good looks, speaking ability, color or gender. I don't know you either, and you may be a serial liar. I don't vote for what the candidate offers me, either. I vote for the one that best seems to care about the condition of the country. AND, I am not foolish enough to throw my vote away on principle. Do you think that voting for Micky Mouse on principle means anything to anyone but you? NO. No one cares, and it will not stop one of two from being elected. Might as well vote for the lesser of two evils, or the best of the worst and hope for the best.

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I vote based on ideology. Not based on good looks, speaking ability, color or gender. I don't know you either, and you may be a serial liar. I don't vote for what the candidate offers me, either. I vote for the one that best seems to care about the condition of the country. AND, I am not foolish enough to throw my vote away on principle. Do you think that voting for Micky Mouse on principle means anything to anyone but you? NO. No one cares, and it will not stop one of two from being elected. Might as well vote for the lesser of two evils, or the best of the worst and hope for the best.
That's logical.

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For example:

CAN IT BE ANY CLEARER?? « A Nation Beguiled (http://anationbeguiled.com/?p=11871)

We expect the attack on the source.....but if you don't like this one there are just too many to ignore.

The only savings grace Clinton has, to date anyway, is the threat of implication of Obama and others.

Otherwise she would be behind bars just as quick as Petraeus was!

Can it be any clearer? Yes, it could be just clear away the political mud.
Petraeus prosecutor: Clinton committed no crime (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/30/clinton-controversy-no-comparison-petraeus-column/71421242/)

Innocent until proven guilty. That isn't the law. It is only a suggestion.

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There is no question that Clinton is guilty. The question is if anyone else associated with such guilt is covered enough to allow her to be prosecuted. In other words, is Obama and other big wig elites sufficiently protected when she attempts to bring them all down with her, like she threatened. She knows she is guilty. Otherwise, why would she threaten others and why would she emphasize the same repetitious statement that "I did not transmit or receive any emails that were MARKED classified? Like she knew the information was classified, but it wasn't marked. That way, she could adamantly state that she did not lie, when she is found guilty and arrested.

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I vote based on ideology. Not based on good looks, speaking ability, color or gender. I don't know you either, and you may be a serial liar. I don't vote for what the candidate offers me, either. I vote for the one that best seems to care about the condition of the country. AND, I am not foolish enough to throw my vote away on principle. Do you think that voting for Micky Mouse on principle means anything to anyone but you? NO. No one cares, and it will not stop one of two from being elected. Might as well vote for the lesser of two evils, or the best of the worst and hope for the best.

Listen...ANY candidate that runs under either the D or R party banner, with their blessing, is a bought and paid for "tool" that works for their party and the corporations. Period. There is no "ideology" for them except power and money. Period.

You may find a 3rd party or an independent with an ideology, but not any of the D or R candidates.

What's with the rest of your post? All this Micky Mouse crap? Who said anything about voting for Micky Mouse? Vote for a 3rd party or independent.

They've defeated you before you even go to vote. You've resolved yourself that what YOU want doesn't matter. It does, it's the most important thing you can do, vote for whom YOU want to win.

Hope for the best? It'll NEVER happen because they work for them. You have 1 lousy vote, it's not going to change anything alone. Your vote for a 3rd party won't change anything. But if EVERYONE did, it would.

How can people be so blind as not to see that they place "their guy" on the ballot, it's fixed, and you WON'T change it.

Trump isn't the answer either, he's in with the bankers.

That's logical.

Are you kidding? You must be a woman to think that was logical. Give up and vote for their evil? That's logical? Is that how you go through life? If the competition is too tough, you just give up and hand them whatever they want? Can't beat the Ds or Rs so join them? No, you fight them by NOT voting for their POS "evil candidate".

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Are you kidding? You must be a woman to think that was logical. Give up and vote for their evil? That's logical? Is that how you go through life? If the competition is too tough, you just give up and hand them whatever they want? Can't beat the Ds or Rs so join them? No, you fight them by NOT voting for their POS "evil candidate".
I was being sarcastic and it went over your head.

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[QUOTE=Guest;1201317Are you kidding? You must be a woman to think that was logical. Give up and vote for their evil? That's logical? Is that how you go through life? If the competition is too tough, you just give up and hand them whatever they want? Can't beat the Ds or Rs so join them? No, you fight them by NOT voting for their POS "evil candidate".[/QUOTE]
Now I get it--you were being sarcastic with me and it went over my head. I apologize, I feel ashamed.

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Listen...ANY candidate that runs under either the D or R party banner, with their blessing, is a bought and paid for "tool" that works for their party and the corporations. Period. There is no "ideology" for them except power and money. Period.

You may find a 3rd party or an independent with an ideology, but not any of the D or R candidates.

What's with the rest of your post? All this Micky Mouse crap? Who said anything about voting for Micky Mouse? Vote for a 3rd party or independent.

They've defeated you before you even go to vote. You've resolved yourself that what YOU want doesn't matter. It does, it's the most important thing you can do, vote for whom YOU want to win.

Hope for the best? It'll NEVER happen because they work for them. You have 1 lousy vote, it's not going to change anything alone. Your vote for a 3rd party won't change anything. But if EVERYONE did, it would.

How can people be so blind as not to see that they place "their guy" on the ballot, it's fixed, and you WON'T change it.

Trump isn't the answer either, he's in with the bankers.



Are you kidding? You must be a woman to think that was logical. Give up and vote for their evil? That's logical? Is that how you go through life? If the competition is too tough, you just give up and hand them whatever they want? Can't beat the Ds or Rs so join them? No, you fight them by NOT voting for their POS "evil candidate".

You are kidding right? No one with any semblance of a brain would think that they are contributing by doing nothing. I would use some derogatory terms to describe my derision for you, but that would be deemed nasty and insulting. But, I am glad of one thing that I have learned from you. I have always thought that some folks should not be allowed to vote, because of their ignorance. You confirmed my theory and I am glad that you won't be voting for anyone viable for the position. Your wasted vote is just fine with me. Hope you get an immense satisfaction either not voting or voting for yourself. ..........:1rotfl:.......:clap2:

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There is no question that Clinton is guilty. The question is if anyone else associated with such guilt is covered enough to allow her to be prosecuted. In other words, is Obama and other big wig elites sufficiently protected when she attempts to bring them all down with her, like she threatened. She knows she is guilty. Otherwise, why would she threaten others and why would she emphasize the same repetitious statement that "I did not transmit or receive any emails that were MARKED classified? Like she knew the information was classified, but it wasn't marked. That way, she could adamantly state that she did not lie, when she is found guilty and arrested.
Another expert on the law. Lol.

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Another expert on the law. Lol.

It doesn't take an expert of the law to know what your job is, and the laws and rules that guide that job. I do know more about classified information handling than Hillary, but that is also obvious. If you want the laws/codes she violated and form numbers of the documents that she signed under oath, I can provide them AGAIN. I have provided them on here several times already, but either you are just being an @ss or you haven't been on here much.

To say that I know more than she does, may be that I have had more training and handled classified longer than her. I know for instance that TS material does not leave a SCIF. I also know that there are special handling restrictions on moving classified information out of a secured facility. Classified information is handled with more caution than the chain of custody of trial evidence.

But, you can defend her all you want. She might even get off scott free, which would not be a surprise. But, she IS a criminal whether convicted or not.

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You are kidding right? No one with any semblance of a brain would think that they are contributing by doing nothing. I would use some derogatory terms to describe my derision for you, but that would be deemed nasty and insulting. But, I am glad of one thing that I have learned from you. I have always thought that some folks should not be allowed to vote, because of their ignorance. You confirmed my theory and I am glad that you won't be voting for anyone viable for the position. Your wasted vote is just fine with me. Hope you get an immense satisfaction either not voting or voting for yourself. ..........:1rotfl:.......:clap2:

You THINK you're clever. You're being played. Your vote is the wasted vote because both the D and R parties are corrupt. Go ahead little lamb, do as you're told. Pick either one of the corrupt candidates that have been hand selected to steal from you.

I do get immense satisfaction knowing that at least I voted for whom "I" wanted, not some bought and paid for liar that is going to steal from all of us and give it to their "donors". You bitch and complain, yet you won't do anything to change things. Baaah baaah

[Guest]

All I can say is when someone throws rocks like the above....a person who belongs to a party that has as it's major choice to represent them in a presidential race....a felon.....a liar....an incompetent....professed continuation of Obama's reign....untrustworthy....self centered....unqualified....past her prime (if there ever was one)....whose only ohter claim to fame is being married to Slick Willie......

you really are high on the sauce....
you are a radical, no matter what partisan....
you have no idea what you just said.....

playing it safe would be all the above.

Love when people show their lack of intelligence. Congratulations.

[Guest]

Love when people show their lack of intelligence. Congratulations.

Other than getting your spelling correct, what did YOU show with that comment?

[Guest]

You THINK you're clever. You're being played. Your vote is the wasted vote because both the D and R parties are corrupt. Go ahead little lamb, do as you're told. Pick either one of the corrupt candidates that have been hand selected to steal from you.

I do get immense satisfaction knowing that at least I voted for whom "I" wanted, not some bought and paid for liar that is going to steal from all of us and give it to their "donors". You bitch and complain, yet you won't do anything to change things. Baaah baaah

I won't call you stupid, because it wouldn't be nice. However, you are not showing an iota of intelligence. But, I can see that your motive for such idiotic rhetoric is your need for attention.

It's obvious that you are baiting with your ridiculous remarks. Being played? They're both corrupt? You get satisfaction from voting for no one? How charming. Such a little mind and yet you still waste what there is of it. Perhaps you should have listened to your momma when she told you that you would go blind if you continued that behavior. :D

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I won't call you stupid, because it wouldn't be nice. However, you are not showing an iota of intelligence. But, I can see that your motive for such idiotic rhetoric is your need for attention.

It's obvious that you are baiting with your ridiculous remarks. Being played? They're both corrupt? You get satisfaction from voting for no one? How charming. Such a little mind and yet you still waste what there is of it. Perhaps you should have listened to your momma when she told you that you would go blind if you continued that behavior. :D

Baaahhh baaahhh...off to your shearing.

[Guest]

Baaahhh baaahhh...off to your shearing.

Troll

[Guest]

... from an active political scientist (not me...):

Candidates know things about each other that the rest of us will never know. Remember what they say about each other. Yes, of course it's political grandstanding, and each hopes to win, but we know before anything is definite that the losers of each party will support the winner of the respective party.

So, remember what they say about each other, because there are truths there that we would not otherwise know. This applies to both parties. Hillary carries the baggage of her husband, no matter what, and she cannot escape it. Rubio, like Obama, has had little experience other than a few years as a US senator, for those who complained all along that Obama didn't have the experience for the presidency. These are just two examples.

The political health of our country is at stake. For those who say that this is business as usual, they may be right. But we at least can be as conscious as we can about who will ultimately be our candidates, and listening to them campaigning is important in knowing not only them but their opponents as well....
Donald Trump threatens to 'spill the beans' on Ted Cruz's wife Heidi - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/ted-cruz-melania-trump-twitter-donald-trump-heidi/)

I agree with this point of view. The above is not a healthy for politics in general. It does keep people engaged.

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Do we want Bill Clinton to influence the affairs of this country again. Then another scandal like before . No. And can Trump really be any worse than what we have. Maybe but then maybe not.

The one and only real scandal was sex in the White House. But the Republicans spent millions of dollars investigating White Water, Hillary's stock trades and Vincent Fosters suicide....I could go on.

Now during this administration we have had lawsuits and blocking most, if not all bills and court justices.

Judge not: GOP blocks dozens of Obama court picks - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/payback-gop-blocks-obama-judge-picks-judiciary-119743)

Not to mention the pocket veto the Repub.'s love so much.

Now even the Repub.'s have to deal with the Freedom Caucus comprised of 40 Tea Party congressman who oppose everything in the House.

The one and only reason I do not wish to vote for Hillary is the prospect of 8 years of investigations.

As for Trump the United States of America has held true to a policy against Torture until George W Bush,his Attorney General approval, started water boarding.

Clearly I wish the GWB never attacked a country that had NOT attacked the USA. Then perhaps my nephew would not be heading to the Middle East for a 7 month tour. This would make 4 nephews fighting in the middle east multiple times and 1 Purple Heart.

Hoping my family does not collect another!

[Guest]

The one and only real scandal was sex in the White House. But the Republicans spent millions of dollars investigating White Water, Hillary's stock trades and Vincent Fosters suicide....I could go on.

Now during this administration we have had lawsuits and blocking most, if not all bills and court justices.

Judge not: GOP blocks dozens of Obama court picks - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/payback-gop-blocks-obama-judge-picks-judiciary-119743)

Not to mention the pocket veto the Repub.'s love so much.

Now even the Repub.'s have to deal with the Freedom Caucus comprised of 40 Tea Party congressman who oppose everything in the House.

The one and only reason I do not wish to vote for Hillary is the prospect of 8 years of investigations.

As for Trump the United States of America has held true to a policy against Torture until George W Bush,his Attorney General approval, started water boarding.

Clearly I wish the GWB never attacked a country that had NOT attacked the USA. Then perhaps my nephew would not be heading to the Middle East for a 7 month tour. This would make 4 nephews fighting in the middle east multiple times and 1 Purple Heart.

Hoping my family does not collect another!
Thank-you for the sacrifices your family has made. They will be in my prayers. My friends son is now over there too and my nephew has also been there.

[Guest]

The one and only real scandal was sex in the White House. But the Republicans spent millions of dollars investigating White Water, Hillary's stock trades and Vincent Fosters suicide....I could go on.

Now during this administration we have had lawsuits and blocking most, if not all bills and court justices.

Judge not: GOP blocks dozens of Obama court picks - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/payback-gop-blocks-obama-judge-picks-judiciary-119743)

Not to mention the pocket veto the Repub.'s love so much.

Now even the Repub.'s have to deal with the Freedom Caucus comprised of 40 Tea Party congressman who oppose everything in the House.

The one and only reason I do not wish to vote for Hillary is the prospect of 8 years of investigations.

As for Trump the United States of America has held true to a policy against Torture until George W Bush,his Attorney General approval, started water boarding.

Clearly I wish the GWB never attacked a country that had NOT attacked the USA. Then perhaps my nephew would not be heading to the Middle East for a 7 month tour. This would make 4 nephews fighting in the middle east multiple times and 1 Purple Heart.

Hoping my family does not collect another!

Sorry about your nephews serving their country. I suppose they got drafted? No, not drafted? You mean they actually joined the armed forces in order to NOT serve? I bet they are very disappointed in you.

No torture until GW? Ha, ha, ha, ha, what a funny thing to say. You obviously did not serve in any conflict. I witnessed some horrific torture in Vietnam, but it worked. Probably saved thousands of lives. But, you liberals, that know nothing about anything, can argue how something can't be done, didn't work, or it's your right.

Do you really think that there would be any investigations IF Hillary was to get elected? Use your head. Or, go ask whomever is feeding you this trash. You act like it is a big Republican conspiracy. The FBI is NOT run by the Republicans. The Attorney General is run by Obama, so if anything is going to happen to Hillary, it will be with Obama's approval.

No, feel free to vote for your criminal, lying, tax cheating candidate. Or, vote for the socialist pervert that just confirmed his inability to change when he made a lewd comment about a woman in the audience the other day.

Don't vote for a candidate that has sworn to protect you from terrorists and illegal aliens that invade our country, take jobs, commit crimes and use up our resources. Don't even think about voting for the other candidate that swears he will lead using the Constitution.

No, go vote for who you were told to vote for by your handlers.

[Guest]

Or, vote for the socialist pervert that just confirmed his inability to change when he made a lewd comment about a woman in the audience the other day.

I can't find that online. What did he say?

[Guest]

Sorry about your nephews serving their country. I suppose they got drafted? No, not drafted? You mean they actually joined the armed forces in order to NOT serve? I bet they are very disappointed in you.

No torture until GW? Ha, ha, ha, ha, what a funny thing to say. You obviously did not serve in any conflict. I witnessed some horrific torture in Vietnam, but it worked. Probably saved thousands of lives. But, you liberals, that know nothing about anything, can argue how something can't be done, didn't work, or it's your right.

Do you really think that there would be any investigations IF Hillary was to get elected? Use your head. Or, go ask whomever is feeding you this trash. You act like it is a big Republican conspiracy. The FBI is NOT run by the Republicans. The Attorney General is run by Obama, so if anything is going to happen to Hillary, it will be with Obama's approval.

No, feel free to vote for your criminal, lying, tax cheating candidate. Or, vote for the socialist pervert that just confirmed his inability to change when he made a lewd comment about a woman in the audience the other day.

Don't vote for a candidate that has sworn to protect you from terrorists and illegal aliens that invade our country, take jobs, commit crimes and use up our resources. Don't even think about voting for the other candidate that swears he will lead using the Constitution.

No, go vote for who you were told to vote for by your handlers.


How could one person say so many silly stupid things? Are you for real or you just trying to stir things up?

[Guest]

There is no question that Clinton is guilty.


Any you know this because of your extensive research? Fox News?:ohdear:

Do you know how stupid you sound?

[Guest]

Any you know this because of your extensive research? Fox News?:ohdear:

Do you know how stupid you sound?

Do YOU know how stupid YOU sound?

[Guest]

Any you know this because of your extensive research? Fox News?:ohdear:

Do you know how stupid you sound?

Stupid = lacking intelligence or common sense.

I'm afraid you have it all wrong. It is you that is "lacking in intelligence" by not knowing the facts. Your apology is accepted.
Your lack of common sense is displayed when you make such statements, without first checking to see if in fact the other person is incorrect in his statement. Not only does that make you lacking in common sense, but ignorant of the facts and stupid.

And NO, I did NOT get this information from FOX News. I observed and listened to Bernie's speech. I will let you check it out, but I will give you a hint. It's what he said about a certain young lady in the audience, that was lewd.

[Guest]

How could one person say so many silly stupid things? Are you for real or you just trying to stir things up?

Perhaps you need a refresher on the vocabulary that you choose to use in your comment. My comment is merely an observation based on facts. You, on the other hand, chose to attack because I implied something that doesn't set right with your weak ideology. So, please don't take this the wrong way when I say, you can kiss my *****. Please take it exactly how I meant it. :kiss:

[Guest]

Ho-hum!

The kids are at it ....again!

[Guest]

Now more than ever--remember what candidates say about each other. I see the point that so often they speak the truth now which often then disappears later in the course of a campaign.

[Guest]

Sorry about your nephews serving their country. I suppose they got drafted? No, not drafted? You mean they actually joined the armed forces in order to NOT serve? I bet they are very disappointed in you.

No torture until GW? Ha, ha, ha, ha, what a funny thing to say. You obviously did not serve in any conflict. I witnessed some horrific torture in Vietnam, but it worked. Probably saved thousands of lives. But, you liberals, that know nothing about anything, can argue how something can't be done, didn't work, or it's your right.

Do you really think that there would be any investigations IF Hillary was to get elected? Use your head. Or, go ask whomever is feeding you this trash. You act like it is a big Republican conspiracy. The FBI is NOT run by the Republicans. The Attorney General is run by Obama, so if anything is going to happen to Hillary, it will be with Obama's approval.

No, feel free to vote for your criminal, lying, tax cheating candidate. Or, vote for the socialist pervert that just confirmed his inability to change when he made a lewd comment about a woman in the audience the other day.

Don't vote for a candidate that has sworn to protect you from terrorists and illegal aliens that invade our country, take jobs, commit crimes and use up our resources. Don't even think about voting for the other candidate that swears he will lead using the Constitution.

No, go vote for who you were told to vote for by your handlers.

Dear Guest:

Thank you for expressing your point of view. It is difficult to do so in these times of political correctness, trigger warnings, micro agressions and a clamoring for safe spaces.

Its difficult to do so also because leaders in every endeavor work to build their collectives which they can control easily. They fear individual thought because individuals speak out against tyranny of any kind. These same collectives push for increase federal control whereas individuals lean toward power being returned to the states as our founders intended.

I infer from your comments that you were a Vietnam vet. It sickened me to see these same collectives inappropriate response to fighting men and women during that era and now. I served but never went overseas. My cousin, a patriot, served 4 years in the Air Force and then opted for two tours of duty fighting in Nam and died at a young age because of injuries suffered back then.

I fear for this nation's existence because the enemies within have taken control of our learning institutions and government and by indoctrination building their collectives so that individual thought is about distinguished, ergo the responses they you received following your comments.

You are correct about Hillary and that she will be granted cover unless and until Obama clears his connection to her acts of omission and commission. Obama has used many federal agencies to do his bidding IRS, FCC NLRB, EPA DOJ, etc. But collectives drink the kool aid worse yet are just so disengaged that they remain unaware of all this political intrigue.
Thank you again .

Personal Best Regard:

[Guest]

Dear Guest:

Thank you for expressing your point of view. It is difficult to do so in these times of political correctness, trigger warnings, micro agressions and a clamoring for safe spaces.

Its difficult to do so also because leaders in every endeavor work to build their collectives which they can control easily. They fear individual thought because individuals speak out against tyranny of any kind. These same collectives push for increase federal control whereas individuals lean toward power being returned to the states as our founders intended.

I infer from your comments that you were a Vietnam vet. It sickened me to see these same collectives inappropriate response to fighting men and women during that era and now. I served but never went overseas. My cousin, a patriot, served 4 years in the Air Force and then opted for two tours of duty fighting in Nam and died at a young age because of injuries suffered back then.

I fear for this nation's existence because the enemies within have taken control of our learning institutions and government and by indoctrination building their collectives so that individual thought is about distinguished, ergo the responses they you received following your comments.

You are correct about Hillary and that she will be granted cover unless and until Obama clears his connection to her acts of omission and commission. Obama has used many federal agencies to do his bidding IRS, FCC NLRB, EPA DOJ, etc. But collectives drink the kool aid worse yet are just so disengaged that they remain unaware of all this political intrigue.
Thank you again .

Personal Best Regard:

:agree:

[Guest]

Dear Guest:

Thank you for expressing your point of view. It is difficult to do so in these times of political correctness, trigger warnings, micro agressions and a clamoring for safe spaces.

Its difficult to do so also because leaders in every endeavor work to build their collectives which they can control easily. They fear individual thought because individuals speak out against tyranny of any kind. These same collectives push for increase federal control whereas individuals lean toward power being returned to the states as our founders intended.

I infer from your comments that you were a Vietnam vet. It sickened me to see these same collectives inappropriate response to fighting men and women during that era and now. I served but never went overseas. My cousin, a patriot, served 4 years in the Air Force and then opted for two tours of duty fighting in Nam and died at a young age because of injuries suffered back then.

I fear for this nation's existence because the enemies within have taken control of our learning institutions and government and by indoctrination building their collectives so that individual thought is about distinguished, ergo the responses they you received following your comments.

You are correct about Hillary and that she will be granted cover unless and until Obama clears his connection to her acts of omission and commission. Obama has used many federal agencies to do his bidding IRS, FCC NLRB, EPA DOJ, etc. But collectives drink the kool aid worse yet are just so disengaged that they remain unaware of all this political intrigue.
Thank you again .

Personal Best Regard:

Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961 (http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html)

[Guest]

I fear for this nation's existence because the enemies within have taken control of our learning institutions and government and by indoctrination building their collectives so that individual thought is about distinguished, ergo the responses they you received following your comments.

Personal Best Regard:

This has been going on forever...those in power have used propaganda to brainwash the citizens, since the first guy took power.

[Guest]

Thank-you for the sacrifices your family has made. They will be in my prayers. My friends son is now over there too and my nephew has also been there.

Thank you!

[Guest]

Dear Guest:

Thank you for expressing your point of view. It is difficult to do so in these times of political correctness, trigger warnings, micro agressions and a clamoring for safe spaces.

Its difficult to do so also because leaders in every endeavor work to build their collectives which they can control easily. They fear individual thought because individuals speak out against tyranny of any kind. These same collectives push for increase federal control whereas individuals lean toward power being returned to the states as our founders intended.

I infer from your comments that you were a Vietnam vet. It sickened me to see these same collectives inappropriate response to fighting men and women during that era and now. I served but never went overseas. My cousin, a patriot, served 4 years in the Air Force and then opted for two tours of duty fighting in Nam and died at a young age because of injuries suffered back then.

I fear for this nation's existence because the enemies within have taken control of our learning institutions and government and by indoctrination building their collectives so that individual thought is about distinguished, ergo the responses they you received following your comments.

You are correct about Hillary and that she will be granted cover unless and until Obama clears his connection to her acts of omission and commission. Obama has used many federal agencies to do his bidding IRS, FCC NLRB, EPA DOJ, etc. But collectives drink the kool aid worse yet are just so disengaged that they remain unaware of all this political intrigue.
Thank you again .

Personal Best Regard:

Can you give us an example of how you personally have been micro-aggressed?

[Guest]

Microaggressions are the everyday verbal, nonverbal, and environmental slights, snubs, or insults, whether intentional or unintentional, which communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative messages to target persons based solely upon their marginalized group membership.

That was a new word for me.

Aren't Senior Citizens a marginalized group membership? Have you ever been insulted just because you are old?

[Guest]

I have to admit that I have never been insulted in relation to my age. And I have worked with many young people. They have always shown me respect, even when kidding me about my age. And I have traveled all over the world and met a lot of people in my lifetime. I am sure that it happens all the time, but I guess I have been blessed. Or, maybe I have not warranted that kind of disrespect as to be insulted over my age. Of course, I am a young 66 so I have a ways to go before I am really considered old..8^)

[Guest]

I have to admit that I have never been insulted in relation to my age. And I have worked with many young people. They have always shown me respect, even when kidding me about my age. And I have traveled all over the world and met a lot of people in my lifetime. I am sure that it happens all the time, but I guess I have been blessed. Or, maybe I have not warranted that kind of disrespect as to be insulted over my age. Of course, I am a young 66 so I have a ways to go before I am really considered old..8^)I have also been treated with respect. Compared to most people my age I am wealthy. Do you think that makes a difference?

[Guest]

I have also been treated with respect. Compared to most people my age I am wealthy. Do you think that makes a difference?

NO it does not.

There are far too many with or with out being wealthy that are just what they are....nasty, ill tempered, impatient, get outta my way, me first, the rules do not apply to me type!!

Being wealthy is a state of mind and station as measured by the individual.
And it is not just measured by a financial statement. That is unfortunately the narrow measure that many use.....and it is confusing.

Where does wealthy start?
It is most certainly not measured off like a football field.

I find the term wealthy being abused about as often as the word resort.

[Guest]

I have also been treated with respect. Compared to most people my age I am wealthy. Do you think that makes a difference?

I don't know if it has anything to do with wealth. I am not wealthy by financial standards, although I am blessed and wealthy in regards to being able to afford to retire comfortably, so far. And I guess I am blessed and wealthy when it comes to my health. I don't that your financial standing makes a difference when it comes to respect. I may be wrong, but I haven't noticed a difference. Of course, the local pet troll on here, has been disrespectful to others on here, using their age in some of his insults, but I doubt he would have the courage or then inclination to be like that in public. In many cases, manners are a face to face thing.

[Guest]

I don't know if it has anything to do with wealth. I am not wealthy by financial standards, although I am blessed and wealthy in regards to being able to afford to retire comfortably, so far. And I guess I am blessed and wealthy when it comes to my health. I don't that your financial standing makes a difference when it comes to respect. I may be wrong, but I haven't noticed a difference. Of course, the local pet troll on here, has been disrespectful to others on here, using their age in some of his insults, but I doubt he would have the courage or then inclination to be like that in public. In many cases, manners are a face to face thing.What financial standards do you mean? There is no age discrimination? It's a myth?

[Guest]

I know folks that are retired, no debts including paid for home in TV, and live on SS and a very modest IRA. They always speak how fortunate they are to have everything they ever wanted and now the time and money to do what they want.

Wealth....a very subjective state of being.

[Guest]

I know folks that are retired, no debts including paid for home in TV, and live on SS and a very modest IRA. They always speak how fortunate they are to have everything they ever wanted and now the time and money to do what they want.

Wealth....a very subjective state of being.It's also quantitative. One tenth of one percent own as mush as the bottom ninety present. That's the group you, me and your friend is in. They are fortunate because most Americans cannot write a check of $1,000. All of us worked hard.

I worked 2 jobs and my wife worked one and we raised 3 kids. We could sock it away. That's not the way it is today. We lived after FDR put in place social security
minimum wage
unemployment insurance
abolishing child labor 8,10, 12 yr olds were working in the fields and factories
the forty hour work week
collective bargaining for unions
strong banking regulations
deposit insurance in banks [don't hide youre money in you matress]
job programs

College was dirt cheap. I want my grandchildren to have the same chance I had, we all had. Does that make me selfish?

[Guest]

It's also quantitative. One tenth of one percent own as mush as the bottom ninety present. That's the group you, me and your friend is in. They are fortunate because most Americans cannot write a check of $1,000. All of us worked hard.

I worked 2 jobs and my wife worked one and we raised 3 kids. We could sock it away. That's not the way it is today. We lived after FDR put in place social security
minimum wage
unemployment insurance
abolishing child labor 8,10, 12 yr olds were working in the fields and factories
the forty hour work week
collective bargaining for unions
strong banking regulations
deposit insurance in banks [don't hide youre money in you matress]
job programs

College was dirt cheap. I want my grandchildren to have the same chance I had, we all had. Does that make me selfish?

It does if that means that they don't have to work for it, rather the socialist want to steal it from someone else to give to them. Everyone has the same right to work and the same right to gain wealth. I could still be making a six figure income, if I wished. But, I don't want to work for it. Not now. I enjoy my retirement.

[Guest]

It does if that means that they don't have to work for it, rather the socialist want to steal it from someone else to give to them. Everyone has the same right to work and the same right to gain wealth. I could still be making a six figure income, if I wished. But, I don't want to work for it. Not now. I enjoy my retirement.
I didn't get a hand out. I got a hand up. In those days the top 22%, not the 1/10 of 1 per cent owned 90% of the wealth. If I had borrowed money for all 4 years of college, I could have paid it off in the first year I worked. Can your grandchildren say that?

We, the middle class did not look out for our children. We let this happen.

[Guest]

I didn't get a hand out. I got a hand up. In those days the top 22%, not the 1/10 of 1 per cent owned 90% of the wealth. If I had borrowed money for all 4 years of college, I could have paid it off in the first year I worked. Can your grandchildren say that?

We, the middle class did not look out for our children. We let this happen.

The children have just as much opportunity to succeed as we did. There is nothing stopping them except more regulations, permits and licenses requirements. The problem with today's children is that they have been given everything, and now they expect it and think that it is owed to them. The children of today have much more and did less to get it than we did. What percentage of them take part-time jobs after school compared to us? How many will work their way through college, like us? But, I refuse to take credit for their debt that we DID leave for them. I didn't spend that money frivolously and I did not get gov hand outs to get where I am today. They are the ones that are borrowing in order to live above their means also. I didn't have more than one TV in my house until 2008. I didn't have to have a new car when I could only afford a used one. I didn't take vacations when I didn't have the extra money to do so. If I took off, it was to work around the house.

These kids don't have it hard. They make it hard by not using their heads and preparing for their retirement. If they don't have Social Security, it is because no one will let congress modify it and cry if they make the slightest change to the age to qualify for it.

The reason there are plenty of wealthy and fewer middle class is not because of the wealthy. It's because there are fewer middle class jobs because the government is getting more and more greedy, expecting the top earners to pay for their frivolous spending. Allowing someone to be on unemployment for two years is stupid. Penalizing small business with Obamacare requirements is stupid. The gov is responsible for the stagnation of our economy, not the wealthy.

[Guest]

Has this topic gone far afield! I come back to the original point: to listen to what the candidates have to say about each other. It ain't over till it's over, and by that time everyone will cover for everyone else along party lines.

This is not meant to support one party over the other but rather to just remember what the candidates say about each other up to this point in the campaign. We all know that this will change dramatically after the conventions. So yes, now is the time to listen--and remember....

[Guest]

The gov is responsible for the stagnation of our economy, not the wealthy.

The wealthy "make" the government by deciding who gets elected. It's the wealthy and corporations who ultimately decide what happens.

All those laws and regulations are put in place to limit competition.

Has this topic gone far afield! I come back to the original point: to listen to what the candidates have to say about each other. It ain't over till it's over, and by that time everyone will cover for everyone else along party lines.

This is not meant to support one party over the other but rather to just remember what the candidates say about each other up to this point in the campaign. We all know that this will change dramatically after the conventions. So yes, now is the time to listen--and remember....

They'll all lie and tell us what they think we want to hear. Then they'll do as they're told after election.

[Guest]

Remember carefully what the candidates said about each other in the past, and today more than ever--and in the next couple of months too--listen to the flip-flops and changes.

[Guest]

Remember carefully what the candidates said about each other in the past, and today more than ever--and in the next couple of months too--listen to the flip-flops and changes.

Yes, because it's ALL theater! At the end of the day, they all get together for drinks and laugh at the fools...us.

[Guest]

Yes, because it's ALL theater! At the end of the day, they all get together for drinks and laugh at the fools...us.

Ain't it the truth! And it's only going to get worse.

[Guest]

Yes, because it's ALL theater! At the end of the day, they all get together for drinks and laugh at the fools...us.

:agree: Comments went all over the place, but more and more the first point makes sense. Gotta remember what these guys said about each other in the past cause they know what they are talking about. For sure they are laughing at us because we keep voting for them. :agree:

[Guest]

:agree: Comments went all over the place, but more and more the first point makes sense. Gotta remember what these guys said about each other in the past cause they know what they are talking about. For sure they are laughing at us because we keep voting for them. :agree:

Yes we do...we're not too bright. We KNOW they're crooks and we vote for them anyway. Because they convinced us that it's the only way.

[Guest]

So, don't vote then. That's what you are trying to get us to do. One poster, making multiple comments to himself, attempting to get us to stay home. Sorry buddy, but I may not like the candidate, but I don't like a lot of my neighbors, actors in Hollywood and some relatives, but I will still vote for the candidate of my party. It's not like a liberal from the Democrat or Libertarian party is going to be any closer to what I would choose. So, keep wasting your time trying to convince everyone of how futile it is to vote, and I'll just shake my head at how you are just like the body of the chicken after my granddad used to cut their heads off. It just kept running around bumping into things, not realizing it was already dead.

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So, don't vote then. That's what you are trying to get us to do. One poster, making multiple comments to himself, attempting to get us to stay home. Sorry buddy, but I may not like the candidate, but I don't like a lot of my neighbors, actors in Hollywood and some relatives, but I will still vote for the candidate of my party. It's not like a liberal from the Democrat or Libertarian party is going to be any closer to what I would choose. So, keep wasting your time trying to convince everyone of how futile it is to vote, and I'll just shake my head at how you are just like the body of the chicken after my granddad used to cut their heads off. It just kept running around bumping into things, not realizing it was already dead.

You're the chicken.

You're vote really doesn't count. The electors vote is all the counts. You elect your candidates elector is what your vote does.

I'm the guy tell you to vote Libertarian or anything except the D or R crooks.

This time will NOT be different, if Trump gets in, there are going to be a LOT of disappointed people. Expecting a lot, and getting little.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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You're the chicken.

You're vote really doesn't count. The electors vote is all the counts. You elect your candidates elector is what your vote does.

I'm the guy tell you to vote Libertarian or anything except the D or R crooks.

This time will NOT be different, if Trump gets in, there are going to be a LOT of disappointed people. Expecting a lot, and getting little.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Yes, the electoral votes are what count. And how do they determine electoral votes? By popular votes in that state. So, stay home by all means. It's a little late for you to complain now. Whether or not my vote means anything, at least I know it means more than not voting or voting for someone that won't even be listed in the final count.

I never liked Trump, but the more folks like you run your mouths, the more I am starting to warm to him. He already has my vote, by virtue of winning the nomination.

So, play your little mind games that might work on the teenagers and old women, but you aren't fooling some of us that have been in this world a few years. I earned my vote, how about you? You may have been granted that vote by virtue of being born in this country, but some of us actually earned it and respect it. My daddy didn't give me my first car, I earned it. How about you?

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So, don't vote then. That's what you are trying to get us to do. One poster, making multiple comments to himself, attempting to get us to stay home. Sorry buddy, but I may not like the candidate, but I don't like a lot of my neighbors, actors in Hollywood and some relatives, but I will still vote for the candidate of my party. It's not like a liberal from the Democrat or Libertarian party is going to be any closer to what I would choose. So, keep wasting your time trying to convince everyone of how futile it is to vote, and I'll just shake my head at how you are just like the body of the chicken after my granddad used to cut their heads off. It just kept running around bumping into things, not realizing it was already dead.

I don't see anything in the OP or the comments that follow that say or even imply "Don't vote." Nothing at all. What I read into it is "Be conscious of what the candidates say about each other THEN in contrast to NOW." Will it change anyone's vote? Probably not.

There are those who at least make the effort to be thoughtful about their vote by examining what is said about--and by--the various candidates. And then there are those who are tied by ball and chain to a particular party (no matter what party, it makes no difference) and vote solely by party, regardless of the qualities of the different candidates.

The bottom line is "Be sure to vote!"

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I don't see anything in the OP or the comments that follow that say or even imply "Don't vote." Nothing at all. What I read into it is "Be conscious of what the candidates say about each other THEN in contrast to NOW." Will it change anyone's vote? Probably not.

There are those who at least make the effort to be thoughtful about their vote by examining what is said about--and by--the various candidates. And then there are those who are tied by ball and chain to a particular party (no matter what party, it makes no difference) and vote solely by party, regardless of the qualities of the different candidates.

The bottom line is "Be sure to vote!"

"You're vote really doesn't count." -- How would you read it?

No one is "tied to a ball and chain" but maybe one dedicates themselves to a certain ideology and votes the candidates that are closest to it in nature. Unlike liberals, I vote toward loyalty to my country, not toward what the gov can give me, via taking from one and sharing it with others. That's stupid anyway, when you consider how little that wealth is spread when the gov takes it from you. All it does is enlarge the gov, not help anyone else. The goal of the socialist/democrat party is to make us into a European socialist economy, which is a failure. The elite want to maintain their power by promising that socialist Utopia, that they can't deliver. What makes anyone believe that America is going to be able to do better with socialism than any other country that has failed?

I vote for the one that is closest to conservative as is available. If that is a wish-washy Trump, then that is still better than a socialist from the Democrat party. Especially one that lies, steals and is disloyal to those that work for her. And if any libertarian thinks that I would vote for a hippy in a suit, that is no better than a liberal, they are crazy. If I have a "ball and chain" attached, it is only to my values. Am I not open minded? Yes, open enough to see what socialist wish to do with our great nation. Open in that my eyes have been quite open from traveling the world most of my life and seeing it for myself. And I am not naive enough to pretend that our country can take a ancient system of socialism and make it successful in our country. We have the best in the world and it can always be tweaked, but we do not need to change it. Why fix it if it is not broken? Even with it's faults, it is better than ANY other country in the world. I do not see anyone trying to escape our country.

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"You're vote really doesn't count." -- How would you read it?

No one is "tied to a ball and chain" but maybe one dedicates themselves to a certain ideology and votes the candidates that are closest to it in nature. Unlike liberals, I vote toward loyalty to my country, not toward what the gov can give me, via taking from one and sharing it with others. That's stupid anyway, when you consider how little that wealth is spread when the gov takes it from you. All it does is enlarge the gov, not help anyone else. The goal of the socialist/democrat party is to make us into a European socialist economy, which is a failure. The elite want to maintain their power by promising that socialist Utopia, that they can't deliver. What makes anyone believe that America is going to be able to do better with socialism than any other country that has failed?

I vote for the one that is closest to conservative as is available. If that is a wish-washy Trump, then that is still better than a socialist from the Democrat party. Especially one that lies, steals and is disloyal to those that work for her. And if any libertarian thinks that I would vote for a hippy in a suit, that is no better than a liberal, they are crazy. If I have a "ball and chain" attached, it is only to my values. Am I not open minded? Yes, open enough to see what socialist wish to do with our great nation. Open in that my eyes have been quite open from traveling the world most of my life and seeing it for myself. And I am not naive enough to pretend that our country can take a ancient system of socialism and make it successful in our country. We have the best in the world and it can always be tweaked, but we do not need to change it. Why fix it if it is not broken? Even with it's faults, it is better than ANY other country in the world. I do not see anyone trying to escape our country.

Everything you talk about...your country...its greatness.

That's ALL history. That all ended in the 60s.

We are NOT a "great country" full of "great people"...not any more.

We're a bully of a "country" because it's run by greedy men working for greedy corporations. When have we NOT been at "war" with something or somebody in the last 25 years?

We're now from age 6 down, NOT full of "great people" nor people capable of being great. We're now #17 and dropping fast as the minorities take over.

This "America" you love is long gone. Replaced by corruption and diversity. You lost it, you gave it away, you should have listened!

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Even with it's faults, it is better than ANY other country in the world. I do not see anyone trying to escape our country.

WRONG!

"It's the third record-breaking year in a row: The U.S Treasury Department just announced that 4,279 Americans renounced their U.S. citizenship in 2015. That's substantially more than 2014, which previously held the record for the highest annual total (3,415).Feb 8, 2016"

number of people renouncing citizenship - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+people+renouncing+citizenship&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

The rich are leaving. They see the writing on the wall. America becoming 3rd world.

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Everything you talk about...your country...its greatness.

That's ALL history. That all ended in the 60s.

We are NOT a "great country" full of "great people"...not any more.

We're a bully of a "country" because it's run by greedy men working for greedy corporations. When have we NOT been at "war" with something or somebody in the last 25 years?

We're now from age 6 down, NOT full of "great people" nor people capable of being great. We're now #17 and dropping fast as the minorities take over.

This "America" you love is long gone. Replaced by corruption and diversity. You lost it, you gave it away, you should have listened!

B.S. But, to put it politely, I disagree. We are NOT a bully. A COP is not a bully. You are protected, so you don't know jack sh** about what's going on. You need to live in other countries so that you can appreciate what a great country we have, regardless of what liberals attempt to do to sabotage it. You are a result of being spoiled, by the protection you receive from this country. And yet, it is you liberals that insist that murderers and rapists have rights. That pedophiles should be treated as being "ill" and homosexuals as normal. What do you expect from our youth when you confuse them with contradictions. You do not believe in the death penalty for the evil but you do for innocent babies, not yet born. You make millions of laws, but don't believe they should be enforced. You don't believe in guns, but you also want to be protected and coddled. No, what is hurting our country is the liberal disease, eating away at it's conservative foundation.

You liberals do not believe in bullies until YOU are the bully. Your only fear is that those that do not agree with you, still have the means to protect that right. Your agenda is to do away with firearms, then you can do away with Free Speech. But, you will deny it. You can deny all you wish but anyone with open eyes can see it. The emperor's transparent new wardrobe.

We are dropping in our education, because we do not demand more from our children. Teachers have no rights, and can't even defend themselves from assaults perpetrated by "children." Teachers are required to pass a student to the next grade without an education. They did away with reform schools. No more discipline results in ignorant children. That is the reason why these kids have to go to college to get a high school education. It is amazing how many college students can't read or do basic math.

No, our country is not failing due to minorities. It's failing due to treating everyone that is "different" with kid gloves, coddling them, treating them special. Treat everyone equally and demand their best. No more excuses. Black is not stupid and "Asian" is not brilliant. One is allowed to be lazy and one is required to achieve. We have more blacks in jail than any other ethnicity because they commit crimes and are repeat offenders. They are not singled out over whites. Whites go to jail also, the ones that are repeat offenders. Many blacks believe that everyone is against them, when in reality it is all in their mind. They are defeating themselves. That is obvious to you when you see those that have achieved in life, such as Dr.Carson, Gen.Powell and even Obama. Although, Obama is a result of affirmative action. But, he still achieved....even if he is a total disaster. Some folks use excuses for their failure, such as blaming someone else (Bush). But, I know many that could have used excuses that refused to. I know a guy that grew up in Harlem, fatherless and obtained his masters degree, and has retired from two different organizations at the top of his career ladder in both occupations. I know another that grew up without his parents since he was 8 years old and NEVER arrested, and is now a retiree in The Villages.

And now I will pass the soap box off to another........

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B.S. But, to put it politely, I disagree. We are NOT a bully. A COP is not a bully. You are protected, so you don't know jack sh** about what's going on. You need to live in other countries so that you can appreciate what a great country we have, regardless of what liberals attempt to do to sabotage it. You are a result of being spoiled, by the protection you receive from this country. And yet, it is you liberals that insist that murderers and rapists have rights. That pedophiles should be treated as being "ill" and homosexuals as normal. What do you expect from our youth when you confuse them with contradictions. You do not believe in the death penalty for the evil but you do for innocent babies, not yet born. You make millions of laws, but don't believe they should be enforced. You don't believe in guns, but you also want to be protected and coddled. No, what is hurting our country is the liberal disease, eating away at it's conservative foundation.

You liberals do not believe in bullies until YOU are the bully. Your only fear is that those that do not agree with you, still have the means to protect that right. Your agenda is to do away with firearms, then you can do away with Free Speech. But, you will deny it. You can deny all you wish but anyone with open eyes can see it. The emperor's transparent new wardrobe.

We are dropping in our education, because we do not demand more from our children. Teachers have no rights, and can't even defend themselves from assaults perpetrated by "children." Teachers are required to pass a student to the next grade without an education. They did away with reform schools. No more discipline results in ignorant children. That is the reason why these kids have to go to college to get a high school education. It is amazing how many college students can't read or do basic math.

No, our country is not failing due to minorities. It's failing due to treating everyone that is "different" with kid gloves, coddling them, treating them special. Treat everyone equally and demand their best. No more excuses. Black is not stupid and "Asian" is not brilliant. One is allowed to be lazy and one is required to achieve. We have more blacks in jail than any other ethnicity because they commit crimes and are repeat offenders. They are not singled out over whites. Whites go to jail also, the ones that are repeat offenders. Many blacks believe that everyone is against them, when in reality it is all in their mind. They are defeating themselves. That is obvious to you when you see those that have achieved in life, such as Dr.Carson, Gen.Powell and even Obama. Although, Obama is a result of affirmative action. But, he still achieved....even if he is a total disaster. Some folks use excuses for their failure, such as blaming someone else (Bush). But, I know many that could have used excuses that refused to. I know a guy that grew up in Harlem, fatherless and obtained his masters degree, and has retired from two different organizations at the top of his career ladder in both occupations. I know another that grew up without his parents since he was 8 years old and NEVER arrested, and is now a retiree in The Villages.

And now I will pass the soap box off to another........too long

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too long

So long to you too...:)

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B.S. But, to put it politely, I disagree. We are NOT a bully. A COP is not a bully. You are protected, so you don't know jack sh** about what's going on. You need to live in other countries so that you can appreciate what a great country we have, regardless of what liberals attempt to do to sabotage it. You are a result of being spoiled, by the protection you receive from this country. And yet, it is you liberals that insist that murderers and rapists have rights. That pedophiles should be treated as being "ill" and homosexuals as normal. What do you expect from our youth when you confuse them with contradictions. You do not believe in the death penalty for the evil but you do for innocent babies, not yet born. You make millions of laws, but don't believe they should be enforced. You don't believe in guns, but you also want to be protected and coddled. No, what is hurting our country is the liberal disease, eating away at it's conservative foundation.

You liberals do not believe in bullies until YOU are the bully. Your only fear is that those that do not agree with you, still have the means to protect that right. Your agenda is to do away with firearms, then you can do away with Free Speech. But, you will deny it. You can deny all you wish but anyone with open eyes can see it. The emperor's transparent new wardrobe.

We are dropping in our education, because we do not demand more from our children. Teachers have no rights, and can't even defend themselves from assaults perpetrated by "children." Teachers are required to pass a student to the next grade without an education. They did away with reform schools. No more discipline results in ignorant children. That is the reason why these kids have to go to college to get a high school education. It is amazing how many college students can't read or do basic math.

No, our country is not failing due to minorities. It's failing due to treating everyone that is "different" with kid gloves, coddling them, treating them special. Treat everyone equally and demand their best. No more excuses. Black is not stupid and "Asian" is not brilliant. One is allowed to be lazy and one is required to achieve. We have more blacks in jail than any other ethnicity because they commit crimes and are repeat offenders. They are not singled out over whites. Whites go to jail also, the ones that are repeat offenders. Many blacks believe that everyone is against them, when in reality it is all in their mind. They are defeating themselves. That is obvious to you when you see those that have achieved in life, such as Dr.Carson, Gen.Powell and even Obama. Although, Obama is a result of affirmative action. But, he still achieved....even if he is a total disaster. Some folks use excuses for their failure, such as blaming someone else (Bush). But, I know many that could have used excuses that refused to. I know a guy that grew up in Harlem, fatherless and obtained his masters degree, and has retired from two different organizations at the top of his career ladder in both occupations. I know another that grew up without his parents since he was 8 years old and NEVER arrested, and is now a retiree in The Villages.

And now I will pass the soap box off to another........

To put it politely right back...BS to you! :)

We're a bully, not a cop. We come in and tell others what to do. They don't hate us because of OUR freedoms, they hate us because we take away THEIR freedoms. Corporations and banks move into 3rd world countries and pretty much take over. They "lend them money", which is really made up 0s and 1s in a computer, and then force demands. Our military enforces the banks and corporations demands. We're NOT governed by nice people. They're greedy psychopaths in search of money and power. I retired from the military, I KNOW what happens. Embarrassing, disgusting things.

I've been to 3rd world countries, I know what they look like, what the people are like. That's why I FIGHT to open people eyes about OUR countries future. We're on the path to 3rd worldness, I can see it, and it has to do with the influx and influence of the minorities.

I'm a Libertarian at heart, I believe people should be left alone to do pretty much anything they want as long as it doesn't affect others.

I believe in death for violent offenders. Pedophiles ARE ill, but you don't let them do what they want to do. Same with gays, they're ill too but shouldn't be able to rule the roost. Gays blackmail politicians to get their agenda passed.

Abortion is why there aren't enough white people to keep the minorities from being the majority. They ARE from age 6 down. We're mathematically doomed.

The laws aren't enforced because they disproportionately effect the minorities. They're incapable of living in advanced societies, they don't have the 50,000 years evolution in advanced cultures to function. Their evolution took them down a different path. Athletics. We developed "brains" they developed brawn. It's nature, it's what nature does. Darwins finches.

We agree completely here, liberalism IS destroying the nation. You should have listened to "those groups" who tried to warn you and protect you from the inevitable 3rd world future.

I agree with the whole second paragraph.

No, the education system is failing because we're TRYING to mainstream minorities. I believe they are incapable of attaining high degrees of education. Sure, maybe one or two here and there, I'm talking generally, they're not capable and that is why standards have been going down since the 60s. It's why we're now #17 in the world and not #1. I remember the black kids in school growing up. Sat in the back, never said anything, failed a lot. They had the same opportunity, in the same class as us, they failed...why? Genes. Evolution.

Who is perpetrating these assaults? Minority kids. 99% of the time it's minority kids being violent. All white schools don't have metal detectors.

They're not disciplined because it's racist. Look at prisons mostly minorities. They're violent, they need to be kept separate. Being poor doesn't make one violent but violence will make one poor.

Half the kids in "college" shouldn't be there. These inner city kids aren't going to get a "real job" because they have NO social skills. There are 100,000 kids with a degree looking for 10,000 jobs. Without quotas and affirmative action practically no minorities would be newly hired.

Yes, it IS failing because of minorities. These "different" people are ALL minorities. "We", the white people need to start calling the shots while we still can. Before we've been bred out of our own country.

Actually, that is a true statement. Asians ARE the best academically and blacks ARE the worst. The "equality meme" is all propaganda.

There would be no blacks in higher education...ok, maybe a VERY few...without quotas and affirmative action. They just can't qualify.

"Dr.Carson, Gen.Powell and even Obama. Although, Obama is a result of affirmative action" They were ALL the result od affirmative action. Carson's "achievements" have been exaggerated. Powell stood in front of the UN and the world spewing lies about WMDs in Iraq. He was either lying or an idiot. He attained his rank through affirmative action. Boards determine who gets promoted, bords are political.

Two successful black families. OK, now how many WEREN'T successful? 100,000X that? 1,000.000X that?

I'm not a racist...I'm a realist. I see what's happening, the changes, the effects, of diversity. It's always the same...bad.

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too long

That's what she says too. But, what can you do? You live what you are born with.

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To put it politely right back...BS to you! :)

We're a bully, not a cop. We come in and tell others what to do. They don't hate us because of OUR freedoms, they hate us because we take away THEIR freedoms. Corporations and banks move into 3rd world countries and pretty much take over. They "lend them money", which is really made up 0s and 1s in a computer, and then force demands. Our military enforces the banks and corporations demands. We're NOT governed by nice people. They're greedy psychopaths in search of money and power. I retired from the military, I KNOW what happens. Embarrassing, disgusting things.

I've been to 3rd world countries, I know what they look like, what the people are like. That's why I FIGHT to open people eyes about OUR countries future. We're on the path to 3rd worldness, I can see it, and it has to do with the influx and influence of the minorities.

I'm a Libertarian at heart, I believe people should be left alone to do pretty much anything they want as long as it doesn't affect others.

I believe in death for violent offenders. Pedophiles ARE ill, but you don't let them do what they want to do. Same with gays, they're ill too but shouldn't be able to rule the roost. Gays blackmail politicians to get their agenda passed.

Abortion is why there aren't enough white people to keep the minorities from being the majority. They ARE from age 6 down. We're mathematically doomed.

The laws aren't enforced because they disproportionately effect the minorities. They're incapable of living in advanced societies, they don't have the 50,000 years evolution in advanced cultures to function. Their evolution took them down a different path. Athletics. We developed "brains" they developed brawn. It's nature, it's what nature does. Darwins finches.

We agree completely here, liberalism IS destroying the nation. You should have listened to "those groups" who tried to warn you and protect you from the inevitable 3rd world future.

I agree with the whole second paragraph.

No, the education system is failing because we're TRYING to mainstream minorities. I believe they are incapable of attaining high degrees of education. Sure, maybe one or two here and there, I'm talking generally, they're not capable and that is why standards have been going down since the 60s. It's why we're now #17 in the world and not #1. I remember the black kids in school growing up. Sat in the back, never said anything, failed a lot. They had the same opportunity, in the same class as us, they failed...why? Genes. Evolution.

Who is perpetrating these assaults? Minority kids. 99% of the time it's minority kids being violent. All white schools don't have metal detectors.

They're not disciplined because it's racist. Look at prisons mostly minorities. They're violent, they need to be kept separate. Being poor doesn't make one violent but violence will make one poor.

Half the kids in "college" shouldn't be there. These inner city kids aren't going to get a "real job" because they have NO social skills. There are 100,000 kids with a degree looking for 10,000 jobs. Without quotas and affirmative action practically no minorities would be newly hired.

Yes, it IS failing because of minorities. These "different" people are ALL minorities. "We", the white people need to start calling the shots while we still can. Before we've been bred out of our own country.

Actually, that is a true statement. Asians ARE the best academically and blacks ARE the worst. The "equality meme" is all propaganda.

There would be no blacks in higher education...ok, maybe a VERY few...without quotas and affirmative action. They just can't qualify.

"Dr.Carson, Gen.Powell and even Obama. Although, Obama is a result of affirmative action" They were ALL the result od affirmative action. Carson's "achievements" have been exaggerated. Powell stood in front of the UN and the world spewing lies about WMDs in Iraq. He was either lying or an idiot. He attained his rank through affirmative action. Boards determine who gets promoted, bords are political.

Two successful black families. OK, now how many WEREN'T successful? 100,000X that? 1,000.000X that?

I'm not a racist...I'm a realist. I see what's happening, the changes, the effects, of diversity. It's always the same...bad.

The point is not a lack of inherent intelligence, but a lack of discipline. Even the most successful blacks have a chip on their shoulder related to imagined racism, but those that are successful have not let that chip become a hindrance.

We will disagree with foreign policy because I have been there and I know first hand how it goes. I have been privy to political, economic and military intelligence reporting for many years, while living overseas in many countries, so I disagree with you on most of what you say.
Regarding WMD's, I will ask you a couple of questions that I know the answer to. What do you consider a WMD? How did Saddam kill thousands of people and buried them in mass graves? And why do you feel that that piece of Sh** deserved to live?

Regarding your libertarian ideology view of Isolationism, what would your action be after 9/11? Talk to the bad guys? And how would that protect our country from further attacks?

Never mind, because I know the answers and I also know what you will say. NO different than a liberal.

The enemy ONLY respects power, and consider us weak because of Obama. He is a joke overseas. Obama has never had a previous leadership position and has never had any leadership training. He is not a leader, even when he pretends to be one. He is a lecturer, without experience to make his lectures credible.

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The point is not a lack of inherent intelligence, but a lack of discipline. Even the most successful blacks have a chip on their shoulder related to imagined racism, but those that are successful have not let that chip become a hindrance.

We will disagree with foreign policy because I have been there and I know first hand how it goes. I have been privy to political, economic and military intelligence reporting for many years, while living overseas in many countries, so I disagree with you on most of what you say.
Regarding WMD's, I will ask you a couple of questions that I know the answer to. What do you consider a WMD? How did Saddam kill thousands of people and buried them in mass graves? And why do you feel that that piece of Sh** deserved to live?

Regarding your libertarian ideology view of Isolationism, what would your action be after 9/11? Talk to the bad guys? And how would that protect our country from further attacks?

Never mind, because I know the answers and I also know what you will say. NO different than a liberal.

The enemy ONLY respects power, and consider us weak because of Obama. He is a joke overseas. Obama has never had a previous leadership position and has never had any leadership training. He is not a leader, even when he pretends to be one. He is a lecturer, without experience to make his lectures credible.

The point is a lack of ability to keep up with other students. Be it they're not as smart or they lack the self control needed to discipline themselves, or both, they can't keep up, the standards have all be lowered to accommodate them.

Somebody shared classified information with you? Or maybe they were telling you stories. I worked in a SCIF. Our entire office was classified top secret NATO. I will NOT violate my non-disclosure agreement. But I will tell you, that the "news" and the "history books" are all full of lies and propaganda. Many "historical events" are not even close to being accurate...not close at all. A particular event MAY have happened but the why is NOT known to you. You were "privy" hearing it from a friend of a friend...

9/11 was a false flag to get the public behind war or a "Pearl Harbor" that was known in advance and allowed to happen to get the public behind war.

I've been more than "privy" to government secrets and I'll tell you, you have NO IDEA what your government is capable of. False propaganda news stories being the tip of the iceberg. How do YOU actually KNOW how and who those bodies are and got there? Is it even Iraq? You don't KNOW squat, you've been TOLD.

Who is this ENEMY you keep talking about? The only "enemy" to the US are the minorities slowly turning us 3rd world. Destroying our culture, our society. But we do nothing about it, we actively ENCOURAGE our own downfall with generous welfare programs! Have more kids we tell them!

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The point is a lack of ability to keep up with other students. Be it they're not as smart or they lack the self control needed to discipline themselves, or both, they can't keep up, the standards have all be lowered to accommodate them.

Somebody shared classified information with you? Or maybe they were telling you stories. I worked in a SCIF. Our entire office was classified top secret NATO. I will NOT violate my non-disclosure agreement. But I will tell you, that the "news" and the "history books" are all full of lies and propaganda. Many "historical events" are not even close to being accurate...not close at all. A particular event MAY have happened but the why is NOT known to you. You were "privy" hearing it from a friend of a friend...

9/11 was a false flag to get the public behind war or a "Pearl Harbor" that was known in advance and allowed to happen to get the public behind war.

I've been more than "privy" to government secrets and I'll tell you, you have NO IDEA what your government is capable of. False propaganda news stories being the tip of the iceberg. How do YOU actually KNOW how and who those bodies are and got there? Is it even Iraq? You don't KNOW squat, you've been TOLD.

Who is this ENEMY you keep talking about? The only "enemy" to the US are the minorities slowly turning us 3rd world. Destroying our culture, our society. But we do nothing about it, we actively ENCOURAGE our own downfall with generous welfare programs! Have more kids we tell them!

I won't say you are lying but you don't know what you are talking about. MY clearance was a quite a bit higher, but that really doesn't mean anything in this case. You can act like you know something that you don't, but it won't make you right.

I will say that you are totally out of your mind. A great right wing conspiracy? Just as I thought. I should have figured that it would finally come out once you kept babbling.

No, I didn't get my information from "somebody telling me." And by the way, even though I dealt with TS material, I was not limited to NATO SECRET. That's what you probably meant, not NATO TS, because it is not known by that.

And apparently non-disclosure agreements do not mean anything anymore, now that it is totally OK for Hillary to transmit Top Secret information over the Internet. We used to have to change the CRYPTO encryption code daily for even secret, but apparently encryption is no longer required.

Yep, I bet it was a Republican conspiracy to find thousands of dead Iraqis to bury in a mass grave. And wow, you sure do give Bush a lot of credit when you suggest that he organized the take down of the twin towers.

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This country started going down hill when they did away with the draft. Younger generation has no respect, something you learned in the service.

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This country started going down hill when they did away with the draft. Younger generation has no respect, something you learned in the service.

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This country started going down hill when they did away with the draft. Younger generation has no respect, something you learned in the service.

Murderers Who Have Served in the U.S. Military: A Database | American Journal of Arcane and Obscure Research (https://ajaor.wordpress.com/2012/12/05/murderers-who-have-served-in-the-u-s-military-a-database/)


The military is one of mainstream America’s most admired and respected institutions. It is also one of the very few mainstream American institutions that literally trains people, physically and psychologically, to kill other people. It is the only mainstream American institution that legally forces its members to kill others on command.


Robert James Acremant

Killed 3 people (1995)

William Andrews and Dale Selby Pierre

Killed 3 people (1974)

Committed their crimes while in the service. Pierre was suspected in another killing where the victim was a fellow airman.

Donald Jay Beardslee

Killed 3 people (1969-81)

Also went to a military school, where he was regularly humiliated, beaten and tortured by upperclassman as part of standard abuse and hazing.

Rudy Bladel (aka “The Railway Sniper”)

Killed at least 3 people, possibly up to 7 (1963-78)

William Bonin (aka “The Freeway Killer”)

Killed at least 21 people, possibly up to 43 (1979-80; some with accomplices)

Vietnam veteran gunner. Was awarded a good conduct medal.

Thomas Richard Bunday

Killed 5 people (1979-81)

Was in the service at the time of his crimes and was seeing a military psychologist. The psychologist committed a murder of his own, the hired killing of his own wife, which was done in a manner to look like part of Bunday’s then-unsolved string of killings, with the psychologist unaware that the killer was one of his own patients. Bunday hid at least one body on the base where he was stationed.

Peter C. Contos

Killed 3 people (1997)

Air National Guard. Committed his crime while in the service. Hid the bodies of two of his victims in a locker at the Air Force base where he served. According to a court appeal, he blamed his crimes on stress causing him to mentally go into “‘the zone,’ in which he reverted to his military training and eliminated anyone he perceived as a threat.”

James Michael DeBardelben

Killed at least 3 people, possibly 8 or more (1971-83)

Richard Eugene Dickens

Killed 2 people (1990)

Dennis Thurl Dowthitt

Killed 2 people (1990; with accomplice)

Robert Garrow

Killed 4 people (1973)

During service, was ridiculed for bed-wetting.

Donald Harvey

Killed at least 37 people, possibly 57 or more (1970-87)

Committed some of his crimes at a Veterans Affairs hospital while working there.

John Joseph Joubert IV (aka “The Woodford Slasher”)

Killed 3 people (1982-85)

Committed some of his crimes while living on a base. Also attended military college.

Patrick Wayne Kearney (aka “The Trash-Bag Killer,” “The Freeway Killer”)

Killed at least 21 people, possibly 28 or more (1975-77; possibly with accomplice)

His possible accomplice was an Army veteran.

Barton Kay Kirkham

Killed 2 people (1956)

Was discharged after committing a robbery while AWOL.

Randy Kraft (aka “The Freeway Killer,” “The Scorecard Killer”)

Killed at least 16 people, possibly up to 67 (1970-83)

Was entrusted with a “secret” security clearance. A former ROTC member who demonstrated in favor of the Vietnam War.

Gary Lewingdon

Killed at least 10 people, possibly up to 11 (1977-78; with an accomplice)

Dean A. Mellberg

Killed 4 people and unborn child (1994)

Committed his crimes at the base where he previously served.

Joseph Naso (aka “The Alphabet Murderer”)

Killed at least 4 people, possibly 6 or more (1970s-1990s)

Simon Peter Nelson

Killed 6 people (1978)

John Leonard Orr (aka “The Pillow Pyro”)

Killed 4 people (1984)

Kelsey Patterson

Killed 2 people (1992)

Dennis Rader (aka “BTK”)

Killed 10 people (1974-91)

Larry Keith Robison

Killed 5 people (1982)

Had paranoid delusions of being hunted by various government authorities, including the Air Force.

Daniel Harold “Danny” Rolling (aka “The Gainesville Ripper”)

Killed at least 5 people, possibly up to 8 (1990-91)

Worked in the former Strategic Air Command and as base security police. Honorably discharged. Used a Marine Corps Ka-Bar combat knife in his crimes. Also attempted and failed to enlist in the Navy.

Pat Sherrill

(see Marines listing)

Michael Alan Silka

Killed at least 9 people (1984)

Ronald Gene Simmons

Killed 16 people (1987)

Decorated Vietnam veteran who earned a marksmanship medal and retired as a master sergeant after 22 years. Also served in the Navy.

John Floyd Thomas Jr. (aka “Westside Rapist”)

Killed at least 7 people, possibly up to 30 (1972-1986)

Richard Lee Tingler Jr.

Killed at least 6 people, possibly up to 7 (1968-69)

Began committing lesser crimes while in the service with a fellow airman as an accomplice.

Thomas Warren Whisenhant

Killed 3 people (1975-76)

While in the service, attempted to murder a member of the Air Force WAF.

Andrew Paul Witt

Killed 2 people (2004)

Committed his crimes on a base while in the service and while wearing full battle dress uniform worn for the purpose of the attack. Victims included a fellow airman. Later apologized for the impact of his crimes on the Air Force.

Yahweh ben Yahweh (aka Hulon Mitchell Jr.)

Killed at least 14 people (c. 1980s)

Edward J. Zakrzewski II

Killed 3 people (1994)

Was in the service at the time of his crimes.

ARMY

Hasan Akbar

Killed 2 people (2003)

Victims were a U.S. Army captain and a U.S. Air Force major in Kuwait during invasion of Iraq. Claimed he preferred killing fellow soldiers to killing fellow Muslims. Prior to the attack, he wrote, “I may not have killed any Muslims, but being in the army is the same thing. I may have to make a choice very soon on who to kill.” And after being arrested, he said, “You guys are coming into our countries, and you’re going to rape our women and kill our children.”

Rodney Alcala (aka “The Dating Game Killer”)

Killed at least 5 people (1977-79)

Albert Anastasia (aka “The Mad Hatter,” “The Lord High Executioner”)

Killed at least 2 people, probably 9 or more (1921-57)

Was a known member of the Mafia’s “Murder, Inc.” when he was admitted into the service.

Joseph Ernest Atkins

Killed 3 people (1969-85)

Vietnam veteran who reportedly saw heavy combat in covert missions and on “Hamburg Hill” and the Tet Offensive; witnessed severely mutilated civilian corpses; and heard a fellow soldier who had been captured being tortured to death. Committed his last killings on the anniversary of the day of his arrival in Vietnam, and wore combat fatigues during them. Defense attorneys said post-traumatic stress flashbacks might have contributed to his crimes, during which he was “in his own mind…back in Vietnam.”

Robert Bales

Killed 16 people (2012)

Was a soldier serving in Afghanistan at the time of his crimes, which were committed on civilians. His attorneys said his crimes were affected by post-traumatic stress from combat, a brain injury suffered while serving in Iraq, and drugs and alcohol provided to him by Special Operations troops at his military outpost.

Joe Ball

Killed at least 2 people (1930s)

George Emil Banks

Killed 13 people (1982)

During his crimes, changed into military fatigues and a military T-shirt that read, “Kill ’em all and let God sort ’em out.”

Cesar Francesco Barone

Killed at least 4 people, possibly up to 5 (1979-1993)

Army Ranger and veteran of the 1989 invasion of Panama.

Earl Russell Behringer

Killed 2 people (1986; with accomplice)

Came out of the Army “infatuated with weaponry,” according to a friend. When entering his plea at trial, clicked his heels together military-style.

David Berkowitz (aka “Son of Sam”)

Killed 6 people (1976-77)

During service, became an expert rifle shot.

William Bradford Bishop Jr.

Killed 5 people (1976)

Served in a counterintelligence unit.

Christopher Black Sr.

Killed 3 people (1998)

Had retired with the rank of sergeant.

Clifford H. Boggess

Killed 2 people (1986)

John Wilkes Booth

Killed President Abraham Lincoln (1865)

Temporarily joined the militia to witness the execution of John Brown.

Joseph Bozicevich

Killed 2 people (2008)

Victims were fellow soldiers on an Army base in Iraq during the war who criticized his battlefield performance.

Kenneth Lee Boyd

Killed 2 people (1988)

Vietnam veteran who claimed to suffer blackouts and memory loss after service and during his crimes. In his confession, he said of his killings, “It was just like I was in Vietnam.”

Lamar Brooks

Killed 2 people (1996)

Gulf War veteran.

Charles Noel Brown

Killed 4 people (1961; with accomplice)

Robert Charles Browne

Killed at least 2 people, possibly up to 49 (1987-95)

Claims his first victim was a fellow soldier.

Jerome “Jerry” Brudos (aka “The Shoe Fetish Slayer,” “The Lust Killer”)

Killed at least 3 people, possibly up to 12 (1968-69)

Attempted to impress potential victims by fraudulently calling himself a Vietnam veteran.

James N. Burmeister and Malcolm Wright

Killed 2 people (1995; with accomplice)

At the time of their crimes, they were serving on a military base where joined fellow soldiers in white supremacy and neo-Nazism that fueled their killings.

Michael Burnett

Killed 2 people (2011; with accomplices)

Committed his crimes while in the service as part of a secret crime/terrorism gang called Forever Enduring Always Ready (FEAR). One victim was another soldier who had been a FEAR member.

Samuel Byck

Killed 2 people (1974)

Committed his crimes while attempting to assassinate President Richard Nixon. His assassination plot was inspired by the stunt landing of a stolen military helicopter on the White House lawn by another soldier.

Harvy Louis Carignan (aka “The Want-Ad Killer,” “Harv the Hammer”)

Killed at least 3 people, possibly up to 18 (1949-1975)

Committed one of his killings while in the service and living on an Army base.

Joseph Christopher (aka “.22-Caliber Killer,” “Midtown Slasher”)

Killed at least 5 people, possibly up to 13 (1980)

Committed his crimes while in the service. Also attacked a fellow soldier.

Christopher Bernard Coleman

Killed 3 people (1995)

Gary Bradford Cone

Killed 2 people (1980)

Vietnam veteran. Blamed his crimes on the influence of drugs, a habit he acquired in the service.

Craig Conkey

Killed 2 people (1992-94)

Richard Wade Cooey II

Killed 2 people (1986; with accomplices)

Michael Corbett

Killed at least 3 people (1975; with accomplices)

Committed his crimes while in the service. Inspired by his bayonet training, killed one victim—a fellow soldier—with a bayonet as an experiment. Accomplices included a fellow soldier and a civilian worker at their Army base.

Dean Corll

Killed at least 27 people (1970-73; with accomplices)

Frederick William Cowan

Killed 6 people (1977)

During his crimes, wore an Army field jacket and combat boots.

Donald Lavell Craig

Killed 2 people (1995-96)

Jeffrey Dahmer

Killed 17 people (1978-91)

James Floyd Davis

Killed 3 people (1995)

Vietnam veteran who suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder. A military rifle used in Vietnam was among the weapons he used in his crime. Received a good conduct medal and a Purple Heart belatedly while in prison, in a ceremony where they were pinned to his chest.

Albert DeSalvo (aka “The Boston Strangler”)

Killed 11 people (1962-64)

Carl C. Drega

Killed 4 people (1997)

Wayne Eugene DuMond

Killed at least 2 people, possibly up to 3 (1972-2001; with accomplices)

Vietnam veteran. Claimed to have participated in the killing of civilians in the war.

Kevin Wayne Dunlap

Killed 3 people (2008)

Also served in Kentucky National Guard. Committed his crime on a street named Military Road.

Paul Durousseau (aka “The Killer Cabbie”)

Killed at least 5 people, probably 7 or more (1997-2003)

Committed one of his crimes while in the service.

William Henry Theodore Durrant (aka “The Demon of the Belfry”)

Killed 2 people (1895)

National Guard. Committed his crimes while in the service.

Leonard John Egland

Killed 4 people (2011)

Iraq and Afghanistan wars veteran. Had just returned from a tour of duty and was living on an Army base at the time of his crimes.

William Duane Elledge

Killed 3 people (1974)

Larry “Bill” Elliott

Killed 2 people (2001)

Former counterintelligence officer. Was working for the Army as a civilian at the time of his crimes.

Dwayne Elton

Killed 2 people (1984)

A sergeant in the service at the time. Dumped victims’ bodies near a military hospital.


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I'm a veteran, but unless this country is under attack I do not believe in a draft.

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Every HS grad should have to attend boot camp and serve a one year term of military service. If nothing else, require one year military service for one year college tuition. Otherwise, NO GOV GRANTS FOR COLLEGE.