To Stripe or Not to Stripe

[outlaw]

Interesting article in The Telegraph today:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/12137382/End-of-the-road-for-white-lines-on-highways.html

[blueash]

And if you bother to click on the link and read the article what it says totally SUPPORTS the use of side stripes or center lines to help drivers see the road especially in wet dark conditions which is exactly why many here have asked for stripes. The removal was done in well lit central city locations and only looked at average speed as an outcome showing that removing the center strip made drivers slow down especially when there was an oncoming car. There is no link to the data or a report from the agency which would likely list whether this speed improvement was daytime or night or whether it brought speeders down to the posted limit or brought careful motorists to below the posted speed. This is similar to how we all slow down when another cart is approaching as we cross the Morse bridge. Here is the money quote from the article

“In particular, highly visible markings at the edge and centre of the road that can be seen on a wet night are enormously cost-effective in saving lives" although there is no cited evidence for that statement.

I suppose installing lights all along the path to mimic the brightness of the roads in central London would be an alternative which would lessen the possible safety benefit of stripes.

[Walter123]

And if you bother to click on the link and read the article what it says totally SUPPORTS the use of side stripes or center lines to help drivers see the road especially in wet dark conditions which is exactly why many here have asked for stripes. The removal was done in well lit central city locations and only looked at average speed as an outcome showing that removing the center strip made drivers slow down especially when there was an oncoming car. This is similar to how we all slow down when another cart is approaching as we cross the Morse bridge. Here is the money quote from the article

“In particular, highly visible markings at the edge and centre of the road that can be seen on a wet night are enormously cost-effective in saving lives" although there is no cited evidence for that statement.

First off you shouldn't need to slow down on the Morse Ave bridge if another cart is coming from the opposite direction because you should already going 10MPH which is the speed limit. :police:

Second I know of no deaths because someone couldn't see the edge or middle or a cart path. Deaths usually involve cars and strips won't help with that.

[blueash]

I found the original data reported here from a report in 2014, why the telegraph is writing about it in 2016 is ??

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/centre-line-removal-trial.pdf

On three short segments of highway up to 650 meters, they removed the center markings and speeds lowered especially when there were oncoming cars from average speeds that were at or above the 30 MPH posted limit to still above to below the postings. All these streets were resurfaced and a series of side stripes were included in all of them both marking the side of the road surface and bike/bus lanes. All the streets have street lights. The report indicates that speeds were recorded at non-peak times but does not report whether night conditions were monitored or just daytime. Here are a before and after set of markings from the report:

[goodtimesintv]

Interesting article in The Telegraph today:
End of the road for white lines on highways - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/12137382/End-of-the-road-for-white-lines-on-highways.html)

A ridiculous comparison. Shoulder striping/reflectors are needed here for sharp curves and exits to tunnels, at minimum.

Once again that gnawing fear of a imagined $1 increase in fees comes up with those who apparently don't drive after dusk. Most people here do go out of their homes after 6:00pm!

[billethkid]

Oh no, not again!

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[tomwed]

Oh no, not again!

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
I guess the gates got fixed.

[rexxfan]

Oh no, not again!

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Roger that.
--
Bob C

[tomwed]

Oh no, not again!

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
And the bikers are biking.

[tomwed]

Oh no, not again!

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
And Seat Saver Syndrome has been cured.

[outlaw]

I posted the link because I thought it was interesting, and would be of interest to many in TV. I did not post it to support either striping or not striping.

[rubicon]

Please, please I'm begging you I don't need no stinking strips! I have traveled the MMP's everywhere in TV before dawn for almost 10 years. Never once did I lose sight of the MMP because they lacked strips along the edge

Not often do I see a pedestrian walking wherein a cart driver slows or stops because there is an oncoming cart. NO they pull to the middle pass the pedestrian as they drive by the oncoming cart. so I conclude from that repeated performance for almost 10 years no stinking middle strip is going to stop those driver from crossing over to get past a pedestrian.

This topic apparently has a life of its own

[JoMar]

When will it end....oh, when will it end.

[Chatbrat]

Instead of stripes they should install ripple strips, like they do of the interstate-

[rubicon]

Instead of stripes they should install ripple strips, like they do of the interstate-

Yea or those water barriers in case you crash that will cushion the impact

[Topspinmo]

If you want to see better in rain at night try some windshield wipers! I find that when rain droplets are on the windshield at night, car, and cart lights
( especially halogen lights) reflect glare and nearly blind me. But when it's not raining I see a lot better, but halogen lights still blind me especially the lighted bars that shine up into on comers eyes. Sure the cart drive can see like its day light, but how safe is it if you blind on coming vechicles? O that's right I forgot, it's about me me me!:loco::loco:

[PennBF]

There is a great deal of bias by the walkers and bike riders and it is not really relevant. I agree we do not need stripes BUT we do need some policing. The other day I came across a bike and cart accident. The first thought is to blame the cart BUT as I drove by (it had just happened) I noticed the bike rider who was on the ground pulling ear plugs out of his ears as he must have been listening to music, etc and did not want them in when the authorities arrived. Given this I watched today and saw 3 bike riders with ear phones in which is as I understand it is not legal? Lets agree that stripes would not matter if the bikers are using earphones to block sound or to hear music. The same would apply to walkers as they could not hear a cart or bike approaching? It would be interesting to know how many times the rider or driver or walker were using ear phones when an accident happens. :police:

[Mleeja]

Stripping has elicited more "spirited" conversation than about any other topic. If it gets any nastier, the topic will need to be discussed in the Political Forum.

BTW, driving home tonight from Spanish Springs on the El Camino MMP, my wife commented it would be nice if there were side stripes so you could see the edge of the MMP. Especially after being blinded by the car headlights heading east on El Camino...

[tomwed]

I posted the link because I thought it was interesting, and would be of interest to many in TV. I did not post it to support either striping or not striping.
That's what I thought. I found it interesting and informative. I'm all for safety and don't care if it costs more to do so. I appreciate your motives.

[outlaw]

Unfortunately, many activities here (eating out, enjoying the nightly town squares entertainment, or getting in nine holes), with the early sunsets in the winter months, pretty much dictate that people will be traveling after dark. I don't know if I would need lines to help me travel safer, but I can understand many people feeling they would be safer. This a is community of older people with failing, or less than optimum, eyesight/night vision. Accommodating those less fortunate seems reasonable. After all, the cost is minimal.

[tomwed]

Unfortunately, many activities here (eating out, enjoying the nightly town squares entertainment, or getting in nine holes), with the early sunsets in the winter months, pretty much dictate that people will be traveling after dark. I don't know if I would need lines to help me travel safer, but I can understand many people feeling they would be safer. This a is community of older people with failing, or less than optimum, eyesight/night vision. Accommodating those less fortunate seems reasonable. After all, the cost is minimal.
I don't have a cart but I would guess wipers must make a big difference. I can't imaging going 20 mph in a rainstorm in my car without them. Seems as essential as seat belts or headlights.

[billethkid]

ANother FREE safety feature to incorporate after dark is to raise one's foot from the floor board just a little bit. Optics improve commensureately.

[tomwed]

ANother FREE safety feature to incorporate after dark is to raise one's foot from the floor board just a little bit. Optics improve commensureately.
Now I got it, go slower. In a rainstorm, when I'm on a bike I just look for shelter. I think I got 5 minutes from the first raindrop. You can usually get to a champion course in 5 minutes.

[Walter123]

If you can't consider anybody's situation other than your own, stay home.

I like it. :BigApplause:

[outlaw]

I don't have a cart but I would guess wipers must make a big difference. I can't imaging going 20 mph in a rainstorm in my car without them. Seems as essential as seat belts or headlights.

You can always flip down the top half of your windshield...

[tomwed]

You can always flip down the top half of your windshield...
I forgot about that.

[golfing eagles]

Stripping has elicited more "spirited" conversation than about any other topic. If it gets any nastier, the topic will need to be discussed in the Political Forum.


?Did you sit out the dog poop, seat saving, line dancer, RB threads and cyclists owning the road threads?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[rubicon]

Stripping has elicited more "spirited" conversation than about any other topic. If it gets any nastier, the topic will need to be discussed in the Political Forum.

BTW, driving home tonight from Spanish Springs on the El Camino MMP, my wife commented it would be nice if there were side stripes so you could see the edge of the MMP. Especially after being blinded by the car headlights heading east on El Camino...

mleeja: I am convinced that there are at least two posters on Political Talk who can bring all parties together to come to a common sense solution to this nefarious topic:loco:

[rubicon]

ANother FREE safety feature to incorporate after dark is to raise one's foot from the floor board just a little bit. Optics improve commensureately.

btk spot on

[rubicon]

It would be interesting to learn exactly how many golf cart drivers blamed their accidents because of a lack of striping? Oops I may have created a V-8 moment:D

[PennBF]

I don't understand why people who are concerned about driving at night don't install more lights on the carts that show the curbs and light up the front better. For a couple of hundred dollars lights can be installed on the side of the entrance to the cart and around the front at night these light up the curbs. We were concerned about night cart driving and we had them installed and we can see the curbs with no problem. In addition they make it more safe than the painting as they also warn people on the paths.
The argument to paint the curbs/center striping is a why to enforce others to pay for your need. It is just another attempt at entitlement(s). Don't we have enough of that today!!:doh: