Do cart riders agree with this?

[VApeople]

On a road with a cart path on the right side, it appears that people driving a car have a hard time turning right when a person driving a cart wants to go straight. This is what some people were told to do.

We drive the intersection at Morse and San Marino almost daily. Concerned and wanting to do the right thing when in our car, hubby made two separate visits to the Sheriffs annex to find out the best way to deal with a right turn up San Marino. He was told twice to check for carts traveling south in the golf cart lane, yield to them if they are close. If they are back in the lane he was told to move over, essentially blocking the golf cart lane, then make the turn up San Marino.

In short, the person driving the car pulls into the cart lane to block any carts that want to go straight. Then they turn right.

Do you all agree with this?

[villagetinker]

I try very hard to make sure there is not a cart CLOSE to me when making a right, if there is one, then I TURN ON MY TURN SIGNAL, move to the right so that the cart cannot get caught if they try to race me.
If it is TOO close, I will slow down and allow the cart to pass on the right, and then make my turn.
I would rather be safe, then be involved in an accident, and I am NOT in a hurry to get anywhere.

[DonH57]

I'm thinking if you follow what SCSO suggest to safely make a right turn you would not need to block off a golf cart.

[fred53]

I try very hard to make sure there is not a cart CLOSE to me when making a right, if there is one, then I TURN ON MY TURN SIGNAL, move to the right so that the cart cannot get caught if they try to race me.
If it is TOO close, I will slow down and allow the cart to pass on the right, and then make my turn.
I would rather be safe, then be involved in an accident, and I am NOT in a hurry to get anywhere.

as you never ever know when you might be in a hurry(emergencies don't always announce themselves so you can take your time), but I know what you mean.

[tomwed]

I think you did the smartest thing a person could do. You ask the Sheriff and then go back and ask him again to make sure you heard it right the first time.

That's how I'll do it when I'm driving. Before now I would stop my car, possibly holding up traffic until I'm positive there is no cart anywhere near me before making a right. Like Village Tink said I'm in no hurry either.

[Opmoochler]

We have a right turn at the bottom of a hill off a busy road (Odell Circle). It is not difficult to judge if there is enough time/space to get past and safely turn in front of a cart. Usually, I slow down with my right turn signal on and stay back enough to let the cart driver know I'll wait for him to pass the intersection before I turn. There is no need to drag race a golf cart!

[villagetinker]

Also, when driving our cart, I always look out for cars turning in front on me.

[rjm1cc]

On a road with a cart path on the right side, it appears that people driving a car have a hard time turning right when a person driving a cart wants to go straight. This is what some people were told to do.



In short, the person driving the car pulls into the cart lane to block any carts that want to go straight. Then they turn right.

Do you all agree with this?

Yes, the problem is that you are ahead of the cart and the cart is in your blind spot. Pulling over should be safer and I think it would agree with the law.

[tomwed]

Also, when driving our cart, I always look out for cars turning in front on me.
The Sheriff is right. If a car is sitting in your diamond lane there is no confusion about their intention. It's a right turn.

[DonH57]

Also, when driving our cart, I always look out for cars turning in front on me.

I understand that! In the 3 years we have lived here every day is a demonstration of defensive driving skills whether you are in a car or golf cart. Always look for the blitz!

[njbchbum]

On a road with a cart path on the right side, it appears that people driving a car have a hard time turning right when a person driving a cart wants to go straight. This is what some people were told to do.



In short, the person driving the car pulls into the cart lane to block any carts that want to go straight. Then they turn right.

Do you all agree with this?

Why would anyone not agree with it?

[john1953]

Until now I have always stayed in the car lane when making a right turn,been doing this for 8 years.But I will change my routine and move over to the cart lane then make my right turn.It really does make sense.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

When I'm driving my golf cart I try not to run into any cars that are making a right hand turn. If there is a car with it's directional signal on, I wait for it to go by. If there is a car without a signal on, I slow down until I can determine the driver's intent. If I can't determine the driver's intent, I wait for the car to go past the intersection.

Cart drivers have to bear some responsibility as well. It's not rocket science.

[graciegirl]

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[Arctic Fox]

On a road with a cart path on the right side, it appears that people driving a car have a hard time turning right when a person driving a cart wants to go straight...The person driving the car pulls into the cart lane to block any carts that want to go straight. Then they turn right.

I would agree with that strategy, with one proviso: with the amount of traffic currently on main roads like Morse, long lines of cars often form at the traffic lights or behind someone turning left, so the car driver should be careful not to move across too early or the cart lane will come to a stand-still too. Having said that, I should prefer to wait in line behind a turning car than be side-swiped by it at the junction.

[golfing eagles]

I would agree with that strategy, with one proviso: with the amount of traffic currently on main roads like Morse, long lines of cars often form at the traffic lights or behind someone turning left, so the car driver should be careful not to move across too early or the cart lane will come to a stand-still too. Having said that, I should prefer to wait in line behind a turning car than be side-swiped by it at the junction.

Good proviso. After all, it is primarily a cart lane, NOT a right hand turn lane. If you borrow it for safety reasons, try not to be a hog.

[VApeople]

Tomwed, Rjm1cc, John1953, and Arctic Fox, thank you for giving very clear answers to my question. I have never driven a golf cart except at a golf course, so I have no idea how to interact with cars on a road. Your comments are very helpful.

[atmcgov]

Now we just have to teach everyone what a turn signal is, and how to use them both in a car and in a golfcart

[goodtimesintv]

To me, this right turn by a car works out the same as a cart turning left.

Carts planning to turn left have to leave the lane they're supposed to be in--diamond lane on far right--and move leftward into the car lane, close to the center line, to make their left turn.

Likewise, cars planning to turn right should leave the car lane they drive in and move rightward, into the cart-diamond lane and close to the curb as right turns always are done, and make the turn close to the curb.

In both cases, the turning driver's intentions to turn are clear by USING TURN SIGNALS and blocking those behind them. In both cases the driver intending to turn should let cart/car close behind go thru before merging into their lane and blocking it to make the turn.

[tomwed]

Now we just have to teach everyone what a turn signal is, and how to use them both in a car and in a golfcart
Everyone knows how to turn the signal on, it's the turning the signal off that becomes the problem as you get older. [insert winking emogi first winking the left eye and then the right]

[DonH57]

Now we just have to teach everyone what a turn signal is, and how to use them both in a car and in a golfcart

That would take some work.

[golfing eagles]

To me, this right turn by a car works out the same as a cart turning left.

Carts planning to turn left have to leave the lane they're supposed to be in--diamond lane on far right--and move leftward into the car lane, close to the center line, to make their left turn.

Likewise, cars planning to turn right should leave the car lane they drive in and move rightward, into the cart-diamond lane and close to the curb as right turns always are done, and make the turn close to the curb.

In both cases, the turning driver's intentions to turn are clear by USING TURN SIGNALS and blocking those behind them. In both cases the driver intending to turn should let cart/car close behind go thru before merging into their lane and blocking it to make the turn.

I agree 100%

But now for reality:
Car drivers race to the merge points to pass carts
Carts pull left into car lane and even turn left without a signal
Some cars use the cart lane to pass other cars making a left turn
Some carts, some cyclists, and some cars completely ignore stop signs
Landscape trucks hauling a trailer turn right across the cart lane cutting them off without a signal
Pedestrians walk right at the curb with their nose buried in their cell phone
Cars with the right of way try to yield it to carts, when carts have the right of way they try to yield it to cars. Results in a staring contest
Many cars have no idea of how to navigate a RB

But thanks for posting the right way to do it---prediction--30% will comply, 30% will ignore it, and 40% won't understand

[tomwed]

---prediction--30% will comply, 30% will ignore it, and 40% won't understand
And what about the other 10%?

[Phanatic Luvr]

My hubby purchased a Honda Civic this past summer which has a camera attached to the passenger mirror, that shoots down the passenger side of the car when you put your right turn signal on, or you can put it on manually by pushing a button. Greatest thing for here in The Villages to spot carts coming up on your right.

[goodtimesintv]

I agree 100%

But now for reality....

...But thanks for posting the right way to do it---prediction--30% will comply, 30% will ignore it, and 40% won't understand

Add to that the reality that about 85% of TV population doesn't read this forum.

It would be good if TV Public Safety had a blog like this, for public safety discussions just like this thread, with designated experts (like sheriff) speaking on the right way to do things. Videos are needed to illustrate what we're talking about.

Driving cars and carts in TV is so unique, even within FL. I'm horrified when oldies here tell newbies and adult kids/grandkids, "Aw, just get on the cart and drive till ya get lost and somebody will help ya". That is a grave accident waiting to happen.

[memason]

And what about the other 10%?

The other 10% will wonder why they were left out of the calculation.....ha ha ha

[golfing eagles]

I agree 100%
But thanks for posting the right way to do it---prediction--30% will comply, 30% will ignore it, and 40% won't understand

And what about the other 10%?

The other 10% will wonder why they were left out of the calculation.....ha ha ha

Is today national common core math day????
In my school days, 30+40+30=100:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[tomwed]

Is today national common core math day????
In my school days, 30+40+30=100:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
We threw you a lob ball. [insert winking emoji moving like a lob ball]

[memason]

Is today national common core math day????
In my school days, 30+40+30=100:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

We're in 110% agreement :loco:

[Arctic Fox]

Cars with the right of way try to yield it to carts, when carts have the right of way they try to yield it to cars. Results in a staring contest

I read someone's Number One Safety Tip earlier this week which really struck a chord:

"If you have the right of way, exercise it."

So many drivers think that they are being helpful by stopping on roundabouts or main roads to let others in when, in the majority of cases, this is just plain dangerous.

[golfing eagles]

I read someone's Number One Safety Tip earlier this week which really struck a chord:

"If you have the right of way, exercise it."

So many drivers think that they are being helpful by stopping on roundabouts or main roads to let others in when, in the majority of cases, this is just plain dangerous.

And the corollary to this rule, which is actually the number one cause of all MVAs, is "If you DO NOT have the right of way, YIELD it"

[KYWildcat]

I personally think that when in a street that has the bike/cart lane that this is to be regarded as a four lane road. You would not make a right turn from the outside or "passing" lane, would you? Think, if you are a car, move over to the right lane or the cart/bike lane prior to making the turn. Hopefully, you have checked to make sure that this lane is open, then proceed to make your turn.

[Polar Bear]

I personally think that when in a street that has the bike/cart lane that this is to be regarded as a four lane road. You would not make a right turn from the outside or "passing" lane, would you? Think, if you are a car, move over to the right lane or the cart/bike lane prior to making the turn. Hopefully, you have checked to make sure that this lane is open, then proceed to make your turn.
:agree:

[justjim]

Yes, the problem is that you are ahead of the cart and the cart is in your blind spot. Pulling over should be safer andt I think it would agree with the law.

My Honda Odyssey has a camera for right turns when you signal (cart will appear on your backup screen if its to your right in the cart path) so you don't have a blind spot. This is very helpful. :wave:

[spring_chicken]

I personally think that when in a street that has the bike/cart lane that this is to be regarded as a four lane road. You would not make a right turn from the outside or "passing" lane, would you? Think, if you are a car, move over to the right lane or the cart/bike lane prior to making the turn. Hopefully, you have checked to make sure that this lane is open, then proceed to make your turn.


I don't agree with this as I'm getting tired of almost getting hit by cars passing a left turning car or cart by using the golf cart lane. It has happened no less than 4 times that I'm turning right into a clear cart lane and as soon as I pull out, a car veers into the cart lane to go around a car or cart that is turning left.
The cart lane should not be used as a passing lane. If it was meant for cars, it would be much wider.

[goodtimesintv]

I don't agree with this as I'm getting tired of almost getting hit by cars passing a left turning car or cart by using the golf cart lane. It has happened no less than 4 times that I'm turning right into a clear cart lane and as soon as I pull out, a car veers into the cart lane to go around a car or cart that is turning left.
The cart lane should not be used as a passing lane. If it was meant for cars, it would be much wider.

Wow. Passing a car on the right, in the cart lane?? Talk about jerks!

[photo1902]

My hubby purchased a Honda Civic this past summer which has a camera attached to the passenger mirror, that shoots down the passenger side of the car when you put your right turn signal on, or you can put it on manually by pushing a button. Greatest thing for here in The Villages to spot carts coming up on your right.

you could always turn your head and look. :)

[golfing eagles]

Wow. Passing a car on the right, in the cart lane?? Talk about jerks!

see post #27

[tomwed]

you could always turn your head and look. :)
Managing Blind Spots
Learning to Drive | Driving with a Permit | Managing Blind Spots | State Farm (http://teendriving.statefarm.com/road-to-safety/safe-driving/managing-blind-spots)

I'd like to try the camera out.

[rubicon]

I personally think that when in a street that has the bike/cart lane that this is to be regarded as a four lane road. You would not make a right turn from the outside or "passing" lane, would you? Think, if you are a car, move over to the right lane or the cart/bike lane prior to making the turn. Hopefully, you have checked to make sure that this lane is open, then proceed to make your turn.

kYwildcat: I am new to this thread. I totally agree with you. further either the OP did not understand what the sheriff said or the sheriff said it incorrectly.

Golf carts are vehicles and golf carts like cars and bicycles have to follow the rules of the road.

I treat a highway that has the addition of diamond lanes left and right side as a four lane highway , five lane if it also provides a left turning lane.

the rules of the road would indicate if a golf cart is to your right and ahead of you then it has the right of way. conversely behind you then you have the right of way which includes turning right . As many have learned there are many car drivers that intentional speed ahead of a golf cart merging from a diamond lane onto the right lane in order to turn at gate stations

The rub with all of this is if a car or cart is in the driver's blind spot.
It is negligent to travel in the same lane occupied by another car and hence I believe that includes occupying a diamond lane that occupies a golf cart.
A car cutting into a diamond lane to make a right turn is literally cutting off a golf cart and if unseen by the car driver is setting up a collision.

Personal Best Regards:

[Nucky]

Just for the record...I don't live with you all yet. That being said isn't all that has been discussed just neglect of common sense and acceptable driving techniques? Is it also possible that one day some political muckety muck will take the "cart problem" to heart and revoke the privilege of using the carts on the street? Just wondering. You are there and I'm not.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by KYWildcat
I personally think that when in a street that has the bike/cart lane that this is to be regarded as a four lane road. You would not make a right turn from the outside or "passing" lane, would you? Think, if you are a car, move over to the right lane or the cart/bike lane prior to making the turn. Hopefully, you have checked to make sure that this lane is open, then proceed to make your turn.

I don't agree with this as I'm getting tired of almost getting hit by cars passing a left turning car or cart by using the golf cart lane. It has happened no less than 4 times that I'm turning right into a clear cart lane and as soon as I pull out, a car veers into the cart lane to go around a car or cart that is turning left. The cart lane should not be used as a passing lane. If it was meant for cars, it would be much wider.

Spring Chicken you're confusing a left turn with a right turn. The original poster wanted to know how to make a right turn when a golf cart lane is to your immediate right. This has been discussed several times in the past and KYWildcat has the right idea.

Don't golf carts merge into the car lane when they are going to make a left turn? The same is true for cars wanting to make a right turn. When there is adequate spacing, merge your car partially into the cart lane, essentially creating a sequence between vehicles of different type. Cart drivers love it, because they know your intentions, just like a turn signal can alert drivers of your intentions. I've been doing this everyday on St. Charles for the past five years and it works beautifully.

[VApeople]

A car cutting into a diamond lane to make a right turn is literally cutting off a golf cart and if unseen by the car driver is setting up a collision.


Interesting statement. Are you suggesting a car should not cut into the diamond lane to make a right turn?

[tedquick]

Is today national common core math day????
In my school days, 30+40+30=100:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

That is true, however tomwed is used to giving 110%.. :)

[spring_chicken]

Originally Posted by KYWildcat
I personally think that when in a street that has the bike/cart lane that this is to be regarded as a four lane road. You would not make a right turn from the outside or "passing" lane, would you? Think, if you are a car, move over to the right lane or the cart/bike lane prior to making the turn. Hopefully, you have checked to make sure that this lane is open, then proceed to make your turn.



Spring Chicken you're confusing a left turn with a right turn. The original poster wanted to know how to make a right turn when a golf cart lane is to your immediate right. This has been discussed several times in the past and KYWildcat has the right idea.

Don't golf carts merge into the car lane when they are going to make a left turn? The same is true for cars wanting to make a right turn. When there is adequate spacing, merge your car partially into the cart lane, essentially creating a sequence between vehicles of different type. Cart drivers love it, because they know your intentions, just like a turn signal can alert drivers of your intentions. I've been doing this everyday on St. Charles for the past five years and it works beautifully.

Not confused about anything. I was not replying to the OP, I was replying to the poster that I quoted and I disagree with the following statement:
"I personally think that when in a street that has the bike/cart lane that this is to be regarded as a four lane road."
It is NOT a four lane road and was never intended to be.

[rubicon]

Interesting statement. Are you suggesting a car should not cut into the diamond lane to make a right turn?

Hi VApeople: Yep that's what I am saying. The diamond lane is clearly defined by both a straight white line to the cart driver's left and staggered diamond shape symbols. Transverse lines indicate where a diamond lane ends and merges with traffic, such as at gates. The lane occupied by cars to your left normally have a double yellow line running down the middle of the road. So we have a cart lane and car lane going in the same direction x 2 -4 lanes such as on St Charles.

Suppose you are the cart driver and traveling along St Charles. A vehicle approaching from behind you drifts over the solid white line defining the diamond lane striking your cart. Who do you believe is at fault?

Suppose now you continue traveling down St Charles and a car to your left decides to make a right hand turn and in doing so utilizes the entire diamond lane blocking your ability to go forward? Did the car cut you off? If a collision occurred who would you believe was at fault? Hint who was the party changing lanes?

Suppose further that you are approaching the end of a diamond lane where all vehicles merge and a car behind you speeds up to get ahead of you and a collision results. Who is at fault?

Those individuals claiming that it is lawful to utilize the diamond lane when they make a turn are factually stating that a diamond lane and the drivers occupying it have no rights. But diamond lane are designated for the purpose to carry golf carts. So do you believe golf carts have rights on a TV streets? If so then car drivers have a obligation not to cross the diamond lane defining line.

By the way all of these scenarios apply the same with a bicycle or pedestrian

One other point some golf cart drivers seem to believe that cars have superior rights to carts they do not. Again take the merging scenario. The rules of the road apply to all vehicles designated vehicles by the state.

Personal Best Regards:

[rjm1cc]

When I'm driving my golf cart I try not to run into any cars that are making a right hand turn. If there is a car with it's directional signal on, I wait for it to go by. If there is a car without a signal on, I slow down until I can determine the driver's intent. If I can't determine the driver's intent, I wait for the car to go past the intersection.

Cart drivers have to bear some responsibility as well. It's not rocket science.

I agree. But the reason is I do not want to be hit by someone that is not paying attention.

[photo1902]

Hi VApeople: Yep that's what I am saying. The diamond lane is clearly defined by both a straight white line to the cart driver's left and staggered diamond shape symbols. Transverse lines indicate where a diamond lane ends and merges with traffic, such as at gates. The lane occupied by cars to your left normally have a double yellow line running down the middle of the road. So we have a cart lane and car lane going in the same direction x 2 -4 lanes such as on St Charles.

Suppose you are the cart driver and traveling along St Charles. A vehicle approaching from behind you drifts over the solid white line defining the diamond lane striking your cart. Who do you believe is at fault?

Suppose now you continue traveling down St Charles and a car to your left decides to make a right hand turn and in doing so utilizes the entire diamond lane blocking your ability to go forward? Did the car cut you off? If a collision occurred who would you believe was at fault? Hint who was the party changing lanes?

Suppose further that you are approaching the end of a diamond lane where all vehicles merge and a car behind you speeds up to get ahead of you and a collision results. Who is at fault?

Those individuals claiming that it is lawful to utilize the diamond lane when they make a turn are factually stating that a diamond lane and the drivers occupying it have no rights. But diamond lane are designated for the purpose to carry golf carts. So do you believe golf carts have rights on a TV streets? If so then car drivers have a obligation not to cross the diamond lane defining line.

By the way all of these scenarios apply the same with a bicycle or pedestrian

One other point some golf cart drivers seem to believe that cars have superior rights to carts they do not. Again take the merging scenario. The rules of the road apply to all vehicles designated vehicles by the state.

Personal Best Regards:

Diamond lanes are NOT turn lanes.

[VApeople]

Suppose now you continue traveling down St Charles and a car to your left decides to make a right hand turn and in doing so utilizes the entire diamond lane blocking your ability to go forward? Did the car cut you off?

Yes

If a collision occurred who would you believe was at fault?

I (the cart rider) would be at fault because I failed to slow down and I hit the car from behind. Unless my cart had air bags, I would probably suffer injuries as well.

[CFrance]

Now we just have to teach everyone what a turn signal is, and how to use them both in a car and in a golfcart
And more importantly, how to turn them off.

[CFrance]

Yes



I (the cart rider) would be at fault because I failed to slow down and I hit the car from behind. Unless my cart had air bags, I would probably suffer injuries as well.
I don't know... If the car cut you off and you ran into it, I would think it's the car's fault. The same way it would be the car's fault if it turned onto the street in front of a car already on that street, causing the car already on the street to run into it.

[tuccillo]

I have seen a car make a right turn in front of a golf cart in a diamond lane. The golf cart driver reacted quick enough to hop the curb to avoid a collision. Fortunately the driver did stop. I assume they exchanged information as the cart may have sustained damage when it hopped the curb. I am now paying more attention when riding my golf cart in the diamond lanes.

Originally Posted by KYWildcat
I personally think that when in a street that has the bike/cart lane that this is to be regarded as a four lane road. You would not make a right turn from the outside or "passing" lane, would you? Think, if you are a car, move over to the right lane or the cart/bike lane prior to making the turn. Hopefully, you have checked to make sure that this lane is open, then proceed to make your turn.



Spring Chicken you're confusing a left turn with a right turn. The original poster wanted to know how to make a right turn when a golf cart lane is to your immediate right. This has been discussed several times in the past and KYWildcat has the right idea.

Don't golf carts merge into the car lane when they are going to make a left turn? The same is true for cars wanting to make a right turn. When there is adequate spacing, merge your car partially into the cart lane, essentially creating a sequence between vehicles of different type. Cart drivers love it, because they know your intentions, just like a turn signal can alert drivers of your intentions. I've been doing this everyday on St. Charles for the past five years and it works beautifully.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

My hubby purchased a Honda Civic this past summer which has a camera attached to the passenger mirror, that shoots down the passenger side of the car when you put your right turn signal on, or you can put it on manually by pushing a button. Greatest thing for here in The Villages to spot carts coming up on your right.

Sounds great, but I just look in my mirror. I also have two small wide angle mirrors attached to cover blind spots.

Also if you're turning right, you should be aware of whether or not you just passed a golf cart or a car or a donkey for that matter. Are people driving cars completely unaware of what's around them?

[VApeople]

I don't know... If the car cut you off and you ran into it, I would think it's the car's fault.

I don't know either, but I have always thought that if you hit the back of a vehicle, it is almost always your fault, even if the vehicle had just cut you off.

When someone cuts me off, the first thing I do is slow down so I do not follow them too close. I get very nervous if I am close behind another vehicle, but I don't mind someone tailgating me. I am a slow driver who rarely exceeds the speed limit, so I am used to being tailgated. Their problem, not mine.

[rubicon]

Diamond lanes are NOT turn lanes.

Hi photo1902: I never said diamond lanes are turning lanes. But by virtue of the fact that these lanes are designated lanes for golf carts they are in fact a lane . If they were not provided then golf carts and cars would be traveling in the same lanes.

So once again if a car is traveling along side a golf cart and drifts into the diamond lane striking that golf cart I believe that auto driver is at fault
And what I said about turning is if an auto is going to make a right turn and abruptly cuts off a cart driver by cutting into a diamond lane he is at fault if the golf cart driver did not have ample time to stop.

Stated another way it is to my way of thinking like a guy in the left lane next to you who sees the street he was looking for abruptly pulls from the left lane into the right lane to make his right hand turn.

It would take me too much writing space to debate who is at fault ( distance speed) I am simply making the point that the diamond lane is a lane made for golf cart travel and as such all drivers must comply to the rules of the road

The subtle difference here has to do with how auto driver perceive golf carts. Some, in a manner of speaking view them as second class citizens. I do not. This development was designed to allow golf carts as the primary mode of travel. don't believe me look at The Villages marketing. Also many businesses advertise as "golf cart accessible"

so to you car drivers out there "watch it because I have my eye on you":D

PS I suppose someone could make the argument that diamond lanes are nothing more than an accommodation but then we are back to the second class citizen scenario . Isn't it better for the purposes of safety and traffic flow to acknowledge a street such as St. Charles as a four lane and have driver follow the rules of the road? Otherwise all you have is because confusion and chaos

Personal Best Regards:

[photo1902]

I didn't think you were saying that at all. I'm of the belief that cars should not move over or block a diamond lane when making a right turn.

[golfing eagles]

I'm of the belief that it doesn't matter either way. You should not be making that right turn (yet) if a cart, a bicycle, or a donkey is close enough that they can hit you if they don't slow down. Any time you make an unforced action that impacts what the other guy is doing, you are wrong. This includes changing lanes, turning from a side street, entering a RB or even pulling out of your driveway. The responsibility is yours to make sure the way is clear. If I have to so much as touch my brakes because you pulled out in front of me, you are wrong under the law. It's called failure to yield the right of way. So whether you fully block the cart lane, partially block it, or turn from the car lane, there should be no one close enough for it to make a difference.


When someone cuts me off, the first thing I do is slow down so I do not follow them too close. I get very nervous if I am close behind another vehicle, but I don't mind someone tailgating me. I am a slow driver who rarely exceeds the speed limit, so I am used to being tailgated. Their problem, not mine.

Unfortunately, when you "drive slow" and fail to keep up with traffic, YOU make it EVERYONE ELSE'S problem. You may never get in an accident, but I'll bet you CAUSE a bunch as other drivers make half a$$3d moves to get by you. I'm also not so sure I embrace the concept of driving on the same stretch of road as a driver who gets "very nervous". Take Uber instead:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Arctic Fox]

Driving is safest when everyone knows what to do, and does the same thing.

If half of us were to drive on the left and half on the right then there would be many more accidents. That is why the USA determined that everyone should drive on the right here.

If the good sheriff has said that a car turning right may, with due care and attention, use the multi-modal lane then so be it. If half of us accept that whereas the other half are either taken by surprise or get upset and lean on their horns then that is a recipe for more accidents.

The problem is, how to get the word out? I suggest that the good sheriff should be mounting a publicity campaign, as people aren't going to take it from TOTV, if they even use this web site.

[outlaw]

As you drive north of 466 on Morse, the roadway has the diamond lane painted on the main street. At each intersection, it appears that the line marking the golf cart lane ends many feet before the intersection, and reappears beginning many feet on the other side of the intersection. It seems to me that this represents going into a single lane, with the cart driver being required to merge into the auto lane, and thus the right turning auto has the right of way. In any case, the ultimate survival rule of the road is the smaller vehicle should yield to the much larger vehicle.

[redwitch]

I basically agree with the Sheriff BUT too many cars speed up to get in front of the cart to turn right, forcing the cart to slow down and frequently come to a complete stop. The reality is the cart going straight has the right of way. if there's enough time to move into the multi-modal lane to turn without slowing the cart down, then I see no problem with moving into that lane. However, if the car would be forcing the cart to yield, then the car needs to wait in its lane and turn after the cart has crossed the street, not block the golf cart's path.

[VApeople]

I'm also not so sure I embrace the concept of driving on the same stretch of road as a driver who gets "very nervous".

You don't have to "embrace the concept". Like all facts of life, you simply have to accept it.

If people like me bother you, take Uber.

[Marathon Man]

I basically agree with the Sheriff BUT too many cars speed up to get in front of the cart to turn right, forcing the cart to slow down and frequently come to a complete stop. The reality is the cart going straight has the right of way. if there's enough time to move into the multi-modal lane to turn without slowing the cart down, then I see no problem with moving into that lane. However, if the car would be forcing the cart to yield, then the car needs to wait in its lane and turn after the cart has crossed the street, not block the golf cart's path.

Wouldn't forcing the cart to slow down be the purpose of moving into the diamond lane? The tie is broken. Everyone stays safe. Safety before convenience, right? Like so many have said, we are retired - what's the hurry?

Also, I am trying to imagine a situation that causes a golf car to jump a curb to avoid running into the back of a car? Failed brakes? Not paying attention to the fact that you are approaching the back of a car?

[Polar Bear]

...I'm of the belief that cars should not move over or block a diamond lane when making a right turn.
When's the last time you made a right turn without moving over the diamond lane?

...You should not be making that right turn (yet) if a cart, a bicycle, or a donkey is close enough that they can hit you if they don't slow down...The responsibility is yours to make sure the way is clear...So whether you fully block the cart lane, partially block it, or turn from the car lane, there should be no one close enough for it to make a difference...

There ya go.

[Wait...I just expressed agreement with GE. :shocked: :1rotfl: ]

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I have done extensive searching and have concluded that Florida Statutes do not address this issue. I thought I would see what the answer is for bike lanes, assuming that it might correlate to golf cart lanes.

The Florida Bicycle Association's interpretation of the statute seems to support the automobile moving into the bike lane. (http://flbikelaw.org/2009/08/138/)

[VApeople]

All of your comments have helped us a great deal. During our visit in November, we drove south on Morse Road and noticed golf carts driving in their own lane. We turned right on Palo Alto so we could see what one of the villages looked like, but I can't recall my wife (who was driving) looking out for carts coming up along our right side. Other than that, we only turned at the roundabouts.

After we joined this DG, we read about the accident at the intersection of Morse and San Marino and realized that sharing the road with golf carts presents a whole new set of problems that we had never encountered. It has also discouraged us from ever buying a house that feeds into Morse Road north of 466. If we ever get a golf cart (which is doubtful), we would not want to drive it along that stretch of road.

[Polar Bear]

...It has also discouraged us from ever buying a house that feeds into Morse Road north of 466. If we ever get a golf cart (which is doubtful), we would not want to drive it along that stretch of road.
You should of course do only what you feel comfortable doing. But I would like to assure you that, with driver diligence, driving a golf cart and driving a car among the golf carts in TV is not as daunting as many would have you believe. After a little learning period, it will be just as routine as driving a car anywhere else.

The stretch of Morse north of 466 should not be taken lightly, but it is also very safe to drive as long as you exercise that always-present requirement...driver diligence.

[Arctic Fox]

You should of course do only what you feel comfortable doing. But I would like to assure you that, with driver diligence, driving a golf cart and driving a car among the golf carts in TV is not as daunting as many would have you believe. After a little learning period, it will be just as routine as driving a car anywhere else.

The stretch of Morse north of 466 should not be taken lightly, but it is also very safe to drive as long as you exercise that always-present requirement...driver diligence.

Agreed. If you consider the number of traffic movements along that road, the number of people involved in accidents is minuscule.

Like anywhere, drive defensively, be aware of what other drivers are doing or planning to do and don't be in too much of a rush.

[photo1902]

When's the last time you made a right turn without moving over the diamond lane?



There ya go.

[Wait...I just expressed agreement with GE. :shocked: :1rotfl: ]

Im talking about using the diamond lane as an extended turn lane. Of course you have to cross over it at an intersection (of course the white line and diamond signs stop at that brief point).

[cologal]

On a road with a cart path on the right side, it appears that people driving a car have a hard time turning right when a person driving a cart wants to go straight. This is what some people were told to do.



In short, the person driving the car pulls into the cart lane to block any carts that want to go straight. Then they turn right.

Do you all agree with this?

I was in a cart lane when a car turned right in front of me within maybe 50 feet of my cart. We had no where to go. I tried to get my cart up over the curb onto the grass but we still hit the car, a huge SUV, about amidships. The cart rode along the car until the end and then we went over the curb in front of us. I thought we were going to be ok but then cart tipped over. My passenger's leg ended up under the roof of the cart. He spent months in the hospital and rehab.

The driver of the car got out and screamed at me that I was speeding. She saw the cart but turned in front of us anyway. She was cited for failure to yield which was ungraded to careless driving due to the extent of my passenger's injury. Never once did she express any concern, she hired a lawyer to represent her so while we spent half the day in traffic court she wasn't required to come.

If you turn in front of a cart and cause an accident you will be cited for failure to yield right of way.

[golfing eagles]

You don't have to "embrace the concept". Like all facts of life, you simply have to accept it.

If people like me bother you, take Uber.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean my comment to be overly offensive, at least no more so than your "their problem, not mine" After all, on a shared roadway, their problems ARE your problems.

For context, I wasn't really referring to driving locally on residential roads or within TV. It was more directed at those that ride the left lane of an interstate at 50 when it is posted at 70. It also was referring to another post that someone made regarding a driver who personally believed that 466 should be posted at 35, not 45, and therefore intentionally drove in the left lane at 35 to impose HIS opinion on everyone else. Please drive safely on a road and a lane and a speed that you can handle and get here in one piece.

[golfing eagles]

When's the last time you made a right turn without moving over the diamond lane?



There ya go.

[Wait...I just expressed agreement with GE. :shocked: :1rotfl: ]

Is today February 30th?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[outlaw]

All of your comments have helped us a great deal. During our visit in November, we drove south on Morse Road and noticed golf carts driving in their own lane. We turned right on Palo Alto so we could see what one of the villages looked like, but I can't recall my wife (who was driving) looking out for carts coming up along our right side. Other than that, we only turned at the roundabouts.

After we joined this DG, we read about the accident at the intersection of Morse and San Marino and realized that sharing the road with golf carts presents a whole new set of problems that we had never encountered. It has also discouraged us from ever buying a house that feeds into Morse Road north of 466. If we ever get a golf cart (which is doubtful), we would not want to drive it along that stretch of road.

Then you may want to stay clear of Pinellas Pl, Belvedere Blvd, Bailey Trail, St Charles Pl, Bonita Blvd, ...all have lots of traffic at different times and golf carts sharing the road with autos. Golf carts are no more dangerous in TV than motorcycles.

[outlaw]

I was in a cart lane when a car turned right in front of me within maybe 50 feet of my cart. We had no where to go. I tried to get my cart up over the curb onto the grass but we still hit the car, a huge SUV, about amidships. The cart rode along the car until the end and then we went over the curb in front of us. I thought we were going to be ok but then cart tipped over. My passenger's leg ended up under the roof of the cart. He spent months in the hospital and rehab.

The driver of the car got out and screamed at me that I was speeding. She saw the cart but turned in front of us anyway. She was cited for failure to yield which was ungraded to careless driving due to the extent of my passenger's injury. Never once did she express any concern, she hired a lawyer to represent her so while we spent half the day in traffic court she wasn't required to come.

If you turn in front of a cart and cause an accident you will be cited for failure to yield right of way.

You couldn't stop in 50ft? Average stopping distance with reaction time is 38ft. How fast were you going?

[Polar Bear]

...Golf carts are no more dangerous in TV than motorcycles.
Just my opinion...but I don't agree.

[Marathon Man]

I was in a cart lane when a car turned right in front of me within maybe 50 feet of my cart. We had no where to go. I tried to get my cart up over the curb onto the grass but we still hit the car, a huge SUV, about amidships. The cart rode along the car until the end and then we went over the curb in front of us. I thought we were going to be ok but then cart tipped over. My passenger's leg ended up under the roof of the cart. He spent months in the hospital and rehab.

The driver of the car got out and screamed at me that I was speeding. She saw the cart but turned in front of us anyway. She was cited for failure to yield which was ungraded to careless driving due to the extent of my passenger's injury. Never once did she express any concern, she hired a lawyer to represent her so while we spent half the day in traffic court she wasn't required to come.

If you turn in front of a cart and cause an accident you will be cited for failure to yield right of way.

Well, this could certainly serve as an example of the benfit of moving right to block the cart lane prior to reaching the intersection. There would have been 50 feet between the golf cart and the back of the auto as the auto slowed to make the turn. No tie, no collision. I am convinced.

From the story, it seems that the auto driver believed there was time to complete the turn before the golf cart caught up. Not a case of 'did not see it'. Also, the golf car driver did not seem to be aware that the auto was about to make a turn. Both of these problems go away. So, law enforcment recomendation to move right before slowing to turn makes a lot of sense.

[photo1902]

Well, this could certainly serve as an example of the benfit of moving right to block the cart lane prior to reaching the intersection. There would have been 50 feet between the golf cart and the back of the auto as the auto slowed to make the turn. No tie, no collision. I am convinced.

From the story, it seems that the auto driver believed there was time to complete the turn before the golf cart caught up. Not a case of 'did not see it'. Also, the golf car driver did not seem to be aware that the auto was about to make a turn. Both of these problems go away. So, law enforcment recomendation to move right before slowing to turn makes a lot of sense.

meant the vehicle turned left in front of their cart. Moving to the right would play no part in preventing this accident.

[Bogie Shooter]

meant the vehicle turned left in front of their cart. Moving to the right would play no part in preventing this accident.

???

[photo1902]

???

Use your words

[Polar Bear]

meant the vehicle turned left in front of their cart. Moving to the right would play no part in preventing this accident.

??? also.

[Marathon Man]

Yea, I'm confused also. So, they were coming in opposite directions toward each other? Car turns left in front of the cart with 50 feet of space? Cart closes the distance and they collide? Hmmmm.

[Topspinmo]

meant the vehicle turned left in front of their cart. Moving to the right would play no part in preventing this accident.

I didn't read where it said the suv turned right or left. I assumed the cart was right off the bumper of the SUV turning right. I don't think she or he had tape measure, it was guess on distance. Evidently it turned into the path of the cart which didn't have time to stop. Morse BV is gauntlet in that area. I avoid it if possible. Same way with rio grand and delmar during snow bird season.

[JoMar]

Just my opinion...but I don't agree.

Assume you drive a motorcycle.

[GatorFan]

On a road with a cart path on the right side, it appears that people driving a car have a hard time turning right when a person driving a cart wants to go straight. This is what some people were told to do.



In short, the person driving the car pulls into the cart lane to block any carts that want to go straight. Then they turn right.

Do you all agree with this?

Yes because this is what law enforcement has advised