golf cart accident by Colony

[Pointer]

I just came past about 13 police and emergency vehicles on 466A. Looked like a really bad accident happened in the tunnel that goes over to Colony on the golf course side.
They have the golf path taped off limits and you can't get through that way by cart. They didn't seem to be diverting car traffic but the line of emergency vehicles has reduced 466A to one lane. I have a bad feeling that something really serious happened given what I could see from the other side. I don't know how one would get around there by cart. Maybe best to take a car if you need to go that way.

[graciegirl]

This strikes fear and sadness to all of our hearts. Hoping somehow the victim will be alright.

[joldnol]

details are on the forbidden site

[joldnol]

suv jumped the curb and nailed a cart on the multimodal. Driver of the suv had a medical incident....three passengers in the cart are in serious condition

[Chatbrat]

If your car doesn't have it, time to think about automatic braking features-in our community these episodes are becoming more & more commonplace.

We have it both of our cars and its always paying attention, just in case we're not

[Taltarzac725]

If your car doesn't have it, time to think about automatic braking features-in our community these episodes are becoming more & more commonplace.

We have it both of our cars and its always paying attention, just in case we're not

Any details on cost and the like??

[jdsl1998]

Prayers go out with every sirens blair.

[NYGUY]

I just went past the tunnel under Morse, south of 466A, and the Community Watch guy blocking the tunnel told me their was at least one fatality. Several people will be needing our prayers.

[dbussone]

I just went past the tunnel under Morse, south of 466A, and the Community Watch guy blocking the tunnel told me their was at least one fatality. Several people will be needing our prayers.


Very sad news indeed. I started praying with the initial news, but will certainly be continuing. Thank you for the update.

[outlaw]

More medical related accidents in this place due to age. I cringe whenever I see people walking with traffic streets or MMP. I want to tell them to walk against traffic, but I know better.

[Chatbrat]

What price do you put on your life--buy a car that will protect you & yours

Its about time people realize the death traps that golf carts are-they are & were designed to be driven engulf courses ,NOT on roads in close proximity to cars & trucks

Its your life- we don't own a golf cart & never will--our lives and physical health are more valuable than so called convenience & $$$$

[Bogie Shooter]

Differant strokes for differant folks.........

[joldnol]

What price do you put on your life--buy a car that will protect you & yours

Its about time people realize the death traps that golf carts are-they are & were designed to be driven engulf courses ,NOT on roads in close proximity to cars & trucks

Its your life- we don't own a golf cart & never will--our lives and physical health are more valuable than so called convenience & $$$$

unless you are in as big or bigger suv, you would be just as screwed in a car colliding with a large suv.. These ladies were on a multi-modal and were not at fault. Another case of someone driving more vehicle than they can handle

[fred53]

If your car doesn't have it, time to think about automatic braking features-in our community these episodes are becoming more & more commonplace.

We have it both of our cars and its always paying attention, just in case we're not

are a god send, but if you know you need them then you really shouldn't be driving.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Another case of someone driving

when they might not have been. It'll be interesting to see if there was any prior issues with the SUV driver, even though we'll probably never hear it.

Prayers to all.

[skip0358]

The SUV was heading East on 466A had a Medical Emergency went over the curb struck the golf cart and I believe stopped at a tree by the looks of the pictures I saw. The Car was on the road the golf cart on the multi model trail. The only thing that would have helped would have been guard rails and we know that's not going to happen. Prayers to all involved.

[golfing eagles]

The SUV was heading East on 466A had a Medical Emergency went over the curb struck the golf cart and I believe stopped at a tree by the looks of the pictures I saw. The Car was on the road the golf cart on the multi model trail. The only thing that would have helped would have been guard rails and we know that's not going to happen. Prayers to all involved.

A very sad case of wrong place at the wrong time. If the cart was travelling at 20mph = 1/3 mile/minute=29 feet/second and was 10 feet long then only 1/3 of a second separated a near miss from tragedy. Makes you realize how fragile we all are.

[Edjkoz]

What price do you put on your life--buy a car that will protect you & yours

Its about time people realize the death traps that golf carts are-they are & were designed to be driven engulf courses ,NOT on roads in close proximity to cars & trucks

Its your life- we don't own a golf cart & never will--our lives and physical health are more valuable than so called convenience & $$$$

Really, you're going to blame those in the golf cart? Now I've head it all

[graciegirl]

A very sad case of wrong place at the wrong time. If the cart was travelling at 20mph = 1/3 mile/minute=29 feet/second and was 10 feet long then only 1/3 of a second separated a near miss from tragedy. Makes you realize how fragile we all are.



So right. And should make us realize that each day is a gift.

[golf2140]

What price do you put on your life--buy a car that will protect you & yours

Its about time people realize the death traps that golf carts are-they are & were designed to be driven engulf courses ,NOT on roads in close proximity to cars & trucks

Its your life- we don't own a golf cart & never will--our lives and physical health are more valuable than so called convenience & $$$$

Life is short, have a great time while here. My golf cart will be with me until I'm gone by accident or time.

[dillywho]

What price do you put on your life--buy a car that will protect you & yours

Its about time people realize the death traps that golf carts are-they are & were designed to be driven engulf courses ,NOT on roads in close proximity to cars & trucks

Its your life- we don't own a golf cart & never will--our lives and physical health are more valuable than so called convenience & $$$$

According to the article I read, the jogger's life was saved because the car hit the golf cart instead of him. The cart then hit the jogger. Both jogger and cart were on the multi-modal path, not the street. They were not in danger from traffic until the car left the road.

[dillywho]

Nice way to phrase a personal attack. You must be one of the chosen on this site that is permitted to do so. Let me put it in terms you can grasp. A large vehicle carries more momentum than a car with half the mass. Many seniors choose a means of transportation that is beyond their ability to control in the best circumstances. Do you really think the same carnage would have resulted if he had been driving a much smaller mode of transportation?

Why does everyone want to jump on the "senior" bracket bandwagon every time someone experiences a medical incident while driving? People of all ages have medical-related accidents all the time. Many do not even realize that they have any issues until then. Look at all the kids who die at school in the athletic programs due to unknown medical conditions. Just because their deaths are on the field or court doesn't mean that the same thing couldn't happen when they get behind the wheel. Maybe it does and we just don't hear about it. All we hear is that some kid had an accident and was probably texting, or speeding, or whatever.

Yes, some seniors have no business driving. Yes, some young drivers have no business driving. Yes, some in-between drivers have no business driving. As long as there are cars, accidents will happen, so let's not even go there. Accidents are a part of life; some accidents take lives. Not all accidents have to do with transportation, but some are still deadly. All the regulations/precautions in the world cannot prevent all manner of accident. All we can do is our best.

[Polar Bear]

Thanks dillywho. You need to post more often.

[mikemalloy]

Why does everyone want to jump on the "senior" bracket bandwagon every time someone experiences a medical incident while driving? People of all ages have medical-related accidents all the time. Many do not even realize that they have any issues until then. Look at all the kids who die at school in the athletic programs due to unknown medical conditions. Just because their deaths are on the field or court doesn't mean that the same thing couldn't happen when they get behind the wheel. Maybe it does and we just don't hear about it. All we hear is that some kid had an accident and was probably texting, or speeding, or whatever.

Yes, some seniors have no business driving. Yes, some young drivers have no business driving. Yes, some in-between drivers have no business driving. As long as there are cars, accidents will happen, so let's not even go there. Accidents are a part of life; some accidents take lives. Not all accidents have to do with transportation, but some are still deadly. All the regulations/precautions in the world cannot prevent all manner of accident. All we can do is our best.

I think that the poster your are responding to owns a small vehicle and thinks his choice of cars is superior to those of us who don't choose to drive clown cars. It's similar to the poster who doesn't own a golf cart and thinks his choice is a smarter choice to those that do own golf cars. The only ones we haven't heard from are those that never leave their homes who want to point out that if the jogger hadn't been outside his home he never would have been hurt.

[Polar Bear]

I think all that dillywho is saying is that accidents happen, regardless of age group, location, whatever. Couldn't agree more.

[DonH57]

This type of accident could have occurred between any two or combination of modes of travel. A car driven by a driver experiencing a medical problem could have easily stuck a group of cyclists, pedestrians, or any thing else. Treasure each day you have

[asianthree]

. Do you really think the same carnage would have resulted if he had been driving a much smaller mode of transportation?

Yes

[outlaw]

Yes

Even a smart car has doors, seat belts, and air bags. Looking at the overturned golf cart in the picture, I think people in virtually any car with doors would have done better than these people in the golf cart.

[perrjojo]

Why does everyone want to jump on the "senior" bracket bandwagon every time someone experiences a medical incident while driving? People of all ages have medical-related accidents all the time. Many do not even realize that they have any issues until then. Look at all the kids who die at school in the athletic programs due to unknown medical conditions. Just because their deaths are on the field or court doesn't mean that the same thing couldn't happen when they get behind the wheel. Maybe it does and we just don't hear about it. All we hear is that some kid had an accident and was probably texting, or speeding, or whatever.

Yes, some seniors have no business driving. Yes, some young drivers have no business driving. Yes, some in-between drivers have no business driving. As long as there are cars, accidents will happen, so let's not even go there. Accidents are a part of life; some accidents take lives. Not all accidents have to do with transportation, but some are still deadly. All the regulations/precautions in the world cannot prevent all manner of accident. All we can do is our best.

I agree. This was an accident. As I recall a few days earlier a young woman jumped the curb and knocked down a sign post on 466, blocking traffic for some time. She had turned to check on her baby in the back seat. Fortunately no one was hurt but it could have easily turned out different. As another poster said it was just a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time..

[justjim]

Accidents happen period. Something similar can happen to anyone of us reading this Thread. Prayers and condolences to all involved in this incident.

[DonH57]

Life is short, have a great time while here. My golf cart will be with me until I'm gone by accident or time.

We use the golf cart as much as possible. Had the villages not been a golf cart community, we would not be living here. I could not imagine having to jump in the car to go to all the activities in the villages like golf, swim, pickleball, grocery shopping, rec center events.

[golfing eagles]

Even a smart car has doors, seat belts, and air bags. Looking at the overturned golf cart in the picture, I think people in virtually any car with doors would have done better than these people in the golf cart.

Yes, but that would mean they were driving a "smart" car on the MMP---which would indicate a "dumb" driver.

[Taltarzac725]

Might be a useful site.

http://wiki.legalexaminer.com/help-center/articles/medical-issues-related-to-auto-accidents.aspx

This too--

Car Accidents Caused by a Medical Emergency | Nolo.com (http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/car-accidents-caused-medical-emergency.html)

[jpvillager]

Do not know if it would have made a difference but I feel seat belts are the safer way to go in the golf cart.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

What price do you put on your life--buy a car that will protect you & yours

Its about time people realize the death traps that golf carts are-they are & were designed to be driven engulf courses ,NOT on roads in close proximity to cars & trucks

Its your life- we don't own a golf cart & never will--our lives and physical health are more valuable than so called convenience & $$$$

Back up north, I knew two brothers that owned a very successful business. They were driving home on a highway when a small airplane crash landed on their car. Maybe we should stop driving cars and ban airplanes.

Incidentally, a man who was running along this same path was also struck and injured. Maybe we should never leave our houses.

Did you hear about the eighteen wheel tractor trailer that crashed into a house in California killing the couple who were asleep in their bedroom? Maybe we just need to ban all sorts of motorized transportation.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Why does everyone want to jump on the "senior" bracket bandwagon every time someone experiences a medical incident while driving? People of all ages have medical-related accidents all the time.

True, but I would be willing to wager that more of these medical related accidents involve seniors than any other age group.

The reality is that as we get older, the more likely we are to have a medical episode. We are also more likely to die.

[golfing eagles]

Back up north, I knew two brothers that owned a very successful business. They were driving home on a highway when a small airplane crash landed on their car. Maybe we should stop driving cars and ban airplanes.

Incidentally, a man who was running along this same path was also struck and injured. Maybe we should never leave our houses.

Did you hear about the eighteen wheel tractor trailer that crashed into a house in California killing the couple who were asleep in their bedroom? Maybe we just need to ban all sorts of motorized transportation.

Lots of people on this and other traffic related threads seem to be looking for a risk free world. But there are 6.4 million traffic accidents with 33,000 deaths each year in the US.

I am still amazed at the odds of an accident like this happening, I don't even have and idea of how to calculate it or how to get some data. We would need to know the accident rate for cars passing a certain point, how many were caused by a medical event, how many jumped the curb, how many had a parallel MMP just for starters. Then add the very limited time window involved and I'll guess you have a better chance of winning the lottery.

The DS reported one fatality from this accident, condolences to the family and wishes for a speedy recovery to the other victims.

[dbussone]

True, but I would be willing to wager that more of these medical related accidents involve seniors than any other age group.



The reality is that as we get older, the more likely we are to have a medical episode. We are also more likely to die.


It is a 100% certainty that we will die. ;)

[golfing eagles]

True, but I would be willing to wager that more of these medical related accidents involve seniors than any other age group.

The reality is that as we get older, the more likely we are to have a medical episode. We are also more likely to die.

Interestingly, medical issues do not make the top 25 causes of accidents or even get honorable mention, and neither does advancing age:


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[Taltarzac725]

Looks like the driver of the SUV who had a medical emergency is 58 and lives in Fruitland Park.

[graciegirl]

True, but I would be willing to wager that more of these medical related accidents involve seniors than any other age group.

The reality is that as we get older, the more likely we are to have a medical episode. We are also more likely to die.





I read on "The news" that the driver of the vehicle that left the road is 58.

[golfing eagles]

Looks like the driver of the SUV who had a medical emergency is 58 and lives in Fruitland Park.

It would be interesting to know, although I doubt we ever will, just what the medical issue was. After all, it is not out of the realm of possibilities that a driver who was texting, or screwing with his radio or GPS, or dropped a cigar in his lap lost control of his vehicle and upon realizing what happened could claim sudden , incapacitating chest pain, or abdominal pain, or a syncopal event. Very hard to disprove those claims.

[Buckeye Bob]

First of all, my thoughts and prayers go out to the families of all involved. A friend of mine who was caught up in the traffic from this tragic event witnessed a golf cart actually drive across 466A jumping the median and curbs. Talk about a death wish.

[rubicon]

Some highly emotional responses here...judgmental too

I'm surprised that some people are surprised that accidents occur. and I'm surprised that some people would confuse an accident with an intentional act.

Given The Villages demographic, while it wouldn't move the needle much, chances of an accident occurring because of a medical emergency or a distracted driver or inattentive driver would be greater here.

We may never know what medical emergency this driver experienced. And as to fault we certainly will not know if this driver had advance warning of a problem, ignored doctors orders or ignored taking needed medicine to control the medical issue. However it is central to the liability issue

The SUV, other than its weight is not a factor

finally this so called freakish accident is more common than many realize...its why they define them as accidents.

I will now bow my head in prayer for the repose of the soul of our deceased resident.

[golfing eagles]

First of all, my thoughts and prayers go out to the families of all involved. A friend of mine who was caught up in the traffic from this tragic event witnessed a golf cart actually drive across 466A jumping the median and curbs. Talk about a death wish.

Seriously???? I guess Judge Judy is right, "You can't fix stupid". They're lucky they didn't blow out a sidewall jumping the curb, leaving them sitting ducks in the middle of the highway (westbound lanes, as I understand it the eastbound lanes were tied up)

[NavyNJ]

I think that the poster your are responding to owns a small vehicle and thinks his choice of cars is superior to those of us who don't choose to drive clown cars. It's similar to the poster who doesn't own a golf cart and thinks his choice is a smarter choice to those that do own golf cars. The only ones we haven't heard from are those that never leave their homes who want to point out that if the jogger hadn't been outside his home he never would have been hurt.

Good point.....or....IF the jogger had chosen as many do in TV, to walk, he may not have reached the point of impact at the time he did, thus, not placing him in the midst of the carnage!! Jesus....I can't believe how some people get so wrapped around the axle on these things! Wow!

[The Mountaineer]

We came upon the scene while the emergency vehicles were all over the place.

It's frightening to know that a driver losing consciousness, which is not unheard of in a community of 100K+ senior citizens, can jump a curve, go 30 feet or more across what we call in Ohio a devil's strip, and crash into a golf cart and a passing jogger. Wrong time, wrong place for everyone.

My prayers go out to everyone involved, including the driver. This is a moment none of them will ever forget.

Even Paradise has its problems.

[Duckfinger2]

Any time we get in a car, SUV, train, plane, bus, boat we take a chance that something could happen. Accidents happen to people of all ages, we can either live our life or hide your head in the sand and think nothing bad will ever go happen.

Sounds like some people here think golf carts are taking to many risks, maybe we should all go back to the horse and buggy days, but if we did that then we would have a horse sh#$ problem, but by looking at some of these posts we could already have that problem.

[outlaw]

It would be interesting to know, although I doubt we ever will, just what the medical issue was. After all, it is not out of the realm of possibilities that a driver who was texting, or screwing with his radio or GPS, or dropped a cigar in his lap lost control of his vehicle and upon realizing what happened could claim sudden , incapacitating chest pain, or abdominal pain, or a syncopal event. Very hard to disprove those claims.

I gotta give him a pass if he dropped a lighted cigar in his lap. Ouch!

[outlaw]

Yes, but that would mean they were driving a "smart" car on the MMP---which would indicate a "dumb" driver.

I was responding to someone implying that a golf cart provided as much protection as a small car. And I'm not sure a smart car on the mmp is "dumb". Let's see. I have seen motorcycles, including a three wheeler, motorized skate boards, licensed street legal nevs...I'm waiting for a motorboat with wheels.

[golfing eagles]

I was responding to someone implying that a golf cart provided as much protection as a small car. And I'm not sure a smart car on the mmp is "dumb". Let's see. I have seen motorcycles, including a three wheeler, motorized skate boards, licensed street legal nevs...I'm waiting for a motorboat with wheels.

I was thinking of getting a hovercraft:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[sukismom]

Daily Sun just announced that the 2nd person in the golf has passed away.

[dillywho]

Looks like the driver of the SUV who had a medical emergency is 58 and lives in Fruitland Park.

Thank you for posting this information. This was my point exactly about those who continually bash the "elderly" drivers because they are the ones with medical issues. Anyone, young or old, can die from a "medical event" at any time.

Many times, "elderly" is a perception among younger people. My co-worker's husband was a mechanic. He was commenting one day about an elderly lady who had brought her car in for service. When I asked him just how elderly she was, he replied, "Oh, somewhere around 40 or 45." (I was 42 at the time.) Of course, he promptly assured me that he didn't mean me. I later asked him, after he turned 40 how it felt to be "elderly".:shocked:

[RickeyD]

Daily Sun just announced that the 2nd person in the golf has passed away.

Paradise Lost :sad:

[dillywho]

Daily Sun just announced that the 2nd person in the golf has passed away.

So sorry to hear this. Sad that anyone had to die. Condolences to each of their families.:pray:

[Sandtrap328]

Yes, very sad to hear of the deaths.

Sure hope the driver of the Escalade has an umbrella policy for a few million dollars. He will be needing it!

[asianthree]

Even a smart car has doors, seat belts, and air bags. Looking at the overturned golf cart in the picture, I think people in virtually any car with doors would have done better than these people in the golf cart.

That's why I answered yes any car would have done damage. The smart car I just got out of is the same dimensions as our golf carts but can go over 20 mp and has lots more weight

[Sandtrap328]

That's why I answered yes any car would have done damage. The smart car I just got out of is the same dimensions as our golf carts but can go over 20 mp and has lots more weight

True, any car, even a Smart Car, would do much damage to a golf cart. Just think how the size of the Escalade made it so deadly against a golf cart - but you have to admit it was a freak accident.

Yes, the weight of the Smart Car would add to the safety over a golf cart as well as being enclosed and having the mandatory used seat belts and the airbag.

However, a Smart Car is not allowed on the multi-modal paths - just the same as any other car.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Thank you for posting this information. This was my point exactly about those who continually bash the "elderly" drivers because they are the ones with medical issues. Anyone, young or old, can die from a "medical event" at any time.

No doubt. But the chance of someone that is 85 years old having some kind of medical episode is much greater than someone who is 25.

The chance of someone 85 years old dying is greater than someone 25.

Anything can happen to anyone at any time. It's a matter of odds.

[goodtimesintv]

Thank you for posting this information. This was my point exactly about those who continually bash the "elderly" drivers because they are the ones with medical issues. Anyone, young or old, can die from a "medical event" at any time.

Many times, "elderly" is a perception among younger people. My co-worker's husband was a mechanic. He was commenting one day about an elderly lady who had brought her car in for service. When I asked him just how elderly she was, he replied, "Oh, somewhere around 40 or 45." (I was 42 at the time.) Of course, he promptly assured me that he didn't mean me. I later asked him, after he turned 40 how it felt to be "elderly".:shocked:

I am disgusted with the stereotyping of all Villagers as "elderly" drivers who have questionable driving ability, and are stereotyped as more prone to a "medical incident" that causes a deadly accident.

The fact is, a large percentage of heart attack deaths occur without prior knowledge of disease, with sudden death being the first warning sign.

Here is an example, from Cleveland Clinic:

Sudden cardiac death (SCD) is a sudden, unexpected death caused by loss of heart function (sudden cardiac arrest).

Sudden cardiac death is the largest cause of natural death in the United States, causing about 325,000 adult deaths in the United States each year.

Sudden cardiac death is responsible for half of all heart disease deaths.

Sudden cardiac death occurs most frequently in adults in their mid-30s to mid-40s, and affects men twice as often as it does women.


Sudden Cardiac Death (Sudden Cardiac Arrest) | Cleveland Clinic (http://my.clevelandclinic.org/services/heart/disorders/arrhythmia/sudden-cardiac-death)

[rubicon]

No doubt. But the chance of someone that is 85 years old having some kind of medical episode is much greater than someone who is 25.

The chance of someone 85 years old dying is greater than someone 25.

Anything can happen to anyone at any time. It's a matter of odds.

Doc: your right. All one has to do is review the mortality and morbidity tables. Better yet just go to the TOTV archives and resurrect the many threads on the drivers living in TV

[Chatbrat]

If you have not taken an AARP driving course-consider taking it

At the last course we took-the instructor made it very clear--The older you are you are more susceptible to injuries that will kill you--but only injure a younger person

We don't bounce like we used to

[Madelaine Amee]

Quote from the online newspaper:

"The driver of the Cadillac SUV has been identified as 58-year-old David Martin McCurry of Fruitland Park.'

Better rethink the "age" argument pertaining to this accident.

[graciegirl]

If you have not taken an AARP driving course-consider taking it

At the last course we took-the instructor made it very clear--The older you are you are more susceptible to injuries that will kill you--but only injure a younger person

We don't bounce like we used to



No, but many of us can still dance, maybe not as long or kick as high but we are still kickin'.


Love this place and being surrounded by very nice old-er people.

[Chatbrat]

Keep kidding yourselves, reality is a hard task master-Nascar drivers survive 200mph & golf cart drivers get killed in 20 mph crashes.

[Polar Bear]

Keep kidding yourselves, reality is a hard task master-Nascar drivers survive 200mph & golf cart drivers get killed in 20 mph crashes.

Apples and oranges.

[Chatbrat]

Its not apples & oranges a smart car which has the same foot print as a golf cart---is infinitely safer !!!! And the smart car is cheaper than a lot of the golf carts in the villages

[Polar Bear]

Its not apples & oranges a smart car which has the same foot print as a golf cart---is infinitely safer !!!!

What the...????

You compared NASCAR and golf carts. That is apples and oranges.

[Chatbrat]

The final truth is Golf Carts are death traps-they were and were never designed to driven on public roads & paths in the vicinity of cars and other motor vehicles

Keep drinking the cool aid, if you're not golfing , is being cute and cool more important than being alive or not being a cripple.

[jnieman]

If you have not taken an AARP driving course-consider taking it

At the last course we took-the instructor made it very clear--The older you are you are more susceptible to injuries that will kill you--but only injure a younger person

We don't bounce like we used to

If you show your insurance agent your receipt for the course you might receive a discount on your insurance. When I worked for Alstate we used to give a discount but that was a few years ago.

[gomoho]

Yes, very sad to hear of the deaths.

Sure hope the driver of the Escalade has an umbrella policy for a few million dollars. He will be needing it!

And that would be so wrong unless he was willfully negligent.

[Sandtrap328]

And that would be so wrong unless he was willfully negligent.

...and do you honestly believe that the families of the two women who were killed will not sue?

It is a very good idea to have the umbrella policy with around 3-5 million on it.

The driver of the SUV was in an Escalade so he obviously has plenty that could be wiped out if he does not have lots of liability insurance.

[hulahips]

Just reading about this accident in paper and very
Upsetting. The very first thing I want to know is What medical condition this driver had??? If a heart attack, it would be published! If a stroke, why not publish that??

If drugs, that's a whole new ballpark and we as villagers have a right to know if outsiders are coming in here drugged up and killing us. The villages may not want us to know but us residents have a Right to know! Call me a skeptic if u like but I do Not trust the media

My heart and prayers go out to the victims. They seemed like lovely women. May God bless them and their families

[Taltarzac725]

Just reading about this accident in paper and very
Upsetting. The very first thing I want to know is What medical condition this driver had??? If a heart attack, it would be published! If a stroke, why not publish that??

If drugs, that's a whole new ballpark and we as villagers have a right to know if outsiders are coming in here drugged up and killing us. The villages may not want us to know but us residents have a Right to know! Call me a skeptic if u like but I do Not trust the media

My heart and prayers go out to the victims. They seemed like lovely women. May God bless them and their families

Two dead in The Villages after SUV driver loses consciousness, hits two golf carts - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-villages-golf-cart-fatal-crash-20160221-story.html)

It may or may not be made public record but I doubt if there is any media conspiracy. They probably do not know just yet or there are legal actions in the works. Responsible journalists try to get the facts before putting something out there for the world to see.

[hulahips]

They have to know what caused the driver to cause. Heart attack, stroke, etc we would know immediately. Drugs on the other hand, even If prescription overdose would Make villagers angry. The driver was Only 58. Has to make U wonder

[spring_chicken]

...and do you honestly believe that the families of the two women who were killed will not sue?

It is a very good idea to have the umbrella policy with around 3-5 million on it.

The driver of the SUV was in an Escalade so he obviously has plenty that could be wiped out if he does not have lots of liability insurance.


Absolutely not true. People need to get the facts before giving legal advice.
You cannot lose your home OR your retirement accounts in
a lawsuit in Florida.

[Taltarzac725]

They have to know what caused the driver to cause. Heart attack, stroke, etc we would know immediately. Drugs on the other hand, even If prescription overdose would Make villagers angry. The driver was Only 58. Has to make U wonder

When lawyers are probably going to be involved the press are usually a lot more careful with making statements.

[spring_chicken]

Because the driver was only 58 people want to make wild assumptions about drugs?
Pathetic. Maybe let the man recover before starting the vicious rumors??

[Taltarzac725]

Road Traffic Collisions | Forensic Pathology Online (http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/E-Book/injuries/road-traffic-collisions)

I found this of interest. Part of it covers medical emergencies causing a crash.

I did see the Villages Daily Sun front page coverage of this accident this morning 2/22/2016. Good for them with putting it there as this may stop some people from taking unnecessary risks when getting behind the wheel. My heart goes out the families of both the crash victims as well as the survivors including the SUV driver. That must be a terrible burden to bear no matter what actually caused this crash.

[zonerboy]

A person's medical history is not a matter of public record to be published in news media, even in the case of auto accidents when the public wants to know. There are legal restrictions regarding use of such information.
Still "medical emergency" is a modern catchphrase of vague meaning similar to "therapy dog". I would expect blood tests done at the hospital would disclose the presence or absence of drugs (prescription or otherwise) or alcohol in the system of the driver. And testing will be done to discover whether conditions known to cause sudden loss of consciousness were present on the driver. This is not accomplished in the spirit of assigning blame to the driver, just a part of a normal investigation as to the cause of the incident. After all there is the possibility "medical emergency" was just an excuse claimed by the passenger in the SUV to cover up some other problem. Remote perhaps, but a possibility nevertheless.

[graciegirl]

They have to know what caused the driver to cause. Heart attack, stroke, etc we would know immediately. Drugs on the other hand, even If prescription overdose would Make villagers angry. The driver was Only 58. Has to make U wonder





I don't think that the medical cause would be public record, but driving impaired might. I always wonder why such a very awful and sad accident cause some people to act and speak angrily, as if so many things called accidents aren't just that.


Would it matter if it was a stroke, a heart attack, sudden onset of a seizure? It would certainly matter if he was using an illegal substance, but that is usually easy to ascertain.


So many people experience sadness, shock and feel it in their heart.... and get angry, when sometimes nothing could have prevented this or changed it.

[tuccillo]

I would not make assumptions about someone's net worth based on the car they drive.

...and do you honestly believe that the families of the two women who were killed will not sue?

It is a very good idea to have the umbrella policy with around 3-5 million on it.

The driver of the SUV was in an Escalade so he obviously has plenty that could be wiped out if he does not have lots of liability insurance.

[Jima64]

...and do you honestly believe that the families of the two women who were killed will not sue?

It is a very good idea to have the umbrella policy with around 3-5 million on it.

The driver of the SUV was in an Escalade so he obviously has plenty that could be wiped out if he does not have lots of liability insurance.

Unless it was a leased car.

[2BNTV]

Today's Daily Sun two woman, friends for over 40 years died in the accident from a driver who had an a medical emergency, 58 years old. I believe they were thrown from the cart. The third person was hit by the cart and will recover from his injuries. Both woman were unaware this was happening, unfortunately.

Another sad accident that might have had a better result if seat belts were worn but that is speculation on my part. I find it very sad that we have lived this long and get killed in what one thinks, should be a safe place to travel.

Many years ago, I had to take courses in defensive driving for the company I worked for, as I was in field service. The police officer said, "I never unbuckled a dead person".

My deepest condolences to the families and friends to the victims of this tragic accident.

[hulahips]

I don't think that the medical cause would be public record, but driving impaired might. I always wonder why such a very awful and sad accident cause some people to act and speak angrily, as if so many things called accidents aren't just that.


Would it matter if it was a stroke, a heart attack, sudden onset of a seizure? It would certainly matter if he was using an illegal substance, but that is usually easy to ascertain.


So many people experience sadness, shock and feel it in their heart.... and get angry, when sometimes nothing could have prevented this or changed it.

It Absolutely matters what caused this. If my loved one were killed by another I would insist on knowing if the other driver had been impaired. Accidents of course happen but it is the Duty of authorities to let the family know exactly what happened. Again if heart attack or stroke, there was passenger in car who would have witnessed this. They already know. My point is, why hold back medical condition, unless something that would upset villagers.

[bagboy]

I just viewed the victims picture on another online news site, enjoying dinner and each others company just the night before this happened. How tragic and sad for the families and friends of all involved. Life is so precious. Anything other than grieving for the victims, or taking the time to be thankful for our lives at this time is quite inappropriate. And when the time comes if we are to know something, we'll be told.

[RedChariot]

Paradise Lost :sad:

Do you all believe this accident may be a reality check for all of us? We enjoy living here, but over the last 4 years we have seen the myth chipped away. It's a great idea to drive around in a cute golf cart. But the reality is that perhaps it has become just too crowded here. The roads where the golf carts are right next to the cars on the same road is just plain dangerous. I thought the MM roads set back from the road is a better design. Now this. This is not a cutesy retirement community. There was a time I'm sure. Not any longer. I believe the golf cart driver needs to think twice before taking a spin. Think where you are going, the season of the year, the time of day. Never Colony Plaza area. Never. It's dicey there even in a car.

Another accident just came to mind. Remember the man who had a "medical event" and hit a women on a bicycle? It was on Morse north of 466. Anyone know how they are? Especially the woman on the bike.

[Bjeanj]

Hula hips, I believe the HIPPA law would protect health information and applies to everyone, which is probably why this is referred to as a "medical incident." Everyone might also want to remember that if the driver, friends or relatives were to read this series of posts, several of the posts would undoubtedly offend them. I know I would be offended by some of these posts, as well as be happy for the warm get well wishes.

[hulahips]

I have not seen a post here that would offend family and friends. All prayers and condolences are absolutely with them. Our hearts are broken for such loss. Possibilities are many of course and we do not know details yet. My only concern is something I have learned throughout life and my work experience. Sometimes silence is much more telling then revealing. I do hope for the family's sake it was a unpreventable accident to make it a bit easier on them ,If that is even possible. My prayers and sympathy are certainly sincere and may God be with them during this difficult time

[hulahips]

Do you all believe this accident may be a reality check for all of us? We enjoy living here, but over the last 4 years we have seen the myth chipped away. It's a great idea to drive around in a cute golf cart. But the reality is that perhaps it has become just too crowded here. The roads where the golf carts are right next to the cars on the same road is just plain dangerous. I thought the MM roads set back from the road is a better design. Now this. This is not a cutesy retirement community. There was a time I'm sure. Not any longer. I believe the golf cart driver needs to think twice before taking a spin. Think where you are going, the season of the year, the time of day. Never Colony Plaza area. Never. It's dicey there even in a car.

Another accident just came to mind. Remember the man who had a "medical event" and hit a women on a bicycle? It was on Morse north of 466. Anyone know how they are? Especially the woman on the bike.

You do raise a good point. Golf carts and cars side by side are dangerous. Perhaps it's better in a smaller community but it may be time to think about are we just too large now for safety to not be a consideration? I hate reading about all these golf cart accidents

[Bigben007]

Do you all believe this accident may be a reality check for all of us? We enjoy living here, but over the last 4 years we have seen the myth chipped away. It's a great idea to drive around in a cute golf cart. But the reality is that perhaps it has become just too crowded here. The roads where the golf carts are right next to the cars on the same road is just plain dangerous. I thought the MM roads set back from the road is a better design. Now this. This is not a cutesy retirement community. There was a time I'm sure. Not any longer. I believe the golf cart driver needs to think twice before taking a spin. Think where you are going, the season of the year, the time of day. Never Colony Plaza area. Never. It's dicey there even in a car.

Another accident just came to mind. Remember the man who had a "medical event" and hit a women on a bicycle? It was on Morse north of 466. Anyone know how they are? Especially the woman on the bike.



I agree with you about The Villages are too crowded. We also have lived here 4 years but have been visiting 7 years. The difference in the crowd and the "attitude" of the larger crowds is quite noticeable. We were out Saturday afternoon and I was overwhelmed with the crowd it's no longer Florida's friendliest hometown. It is a busy city. .
Tic

[graciegirl]

I agree with you about The Villages are too crowded. We also have lived here 4 years but have been visiting 7 years. The difference in the crowd and the "attitude" of the larger crowds is quite noticeable. We were out Saturday afternoon and I was overwhelmed with the crowd it's no longer Florida's friendliest hometown. It is a busy city. .
Tic



It is the high season and it is crowded all over Florida. There are folks staying here during the high season who have no interest vested or emotional in this community and they act that way wherever they are. That is NOT to say that all people who own here are nice and pleasant. That isn't true. It is crowded now and I don't like it at this time of the year. I like the other nine months so much better. AND this was not a jab at snowbirds like our wonderful Barefoot and many others. It is crowded, Florida is enjoying....or suffering through one of the busiest tourist times it has had in YEARS....according to Wesh 2. Gas prices down and employment up may be the reason.


Watch out...incoming................

[debow]

I avoid the Colony Plaza. area at all cost. Would never consider taking my cart there. Too crowded and people too impatient (if u know what I mean). I stay north of 466.

[photo1902]

It is the high season and it is crowded all over Florida. There are folks staying here during the high season who have no interest vested or emotional in this community and they act that way wherever they are. That is NOT to say that all people who own here are nice and pleasant. That isn't true. It is crowded now and I don't like it at this time of the year. I like the other nine months so much better. AND this was not a jab at snowbirds like our wonderful Barefoot and many others. It is crowded, Florida is enjoying....or suffering through one of the busiest tourist times it has had in YEARS....according to Wesh 2. Gas prices down and employment up may be the reason.


Watch out...incoming................

Very nicely put!

[Bigben007]

It is the high season and it is crowded all over Florida. There are folks staying here during the high season who have no interest vested or emotional in this community and they act that way wherever they are. That is NOT to say that all people who own here are nice and pleasant. That isn't true. It is crowded now and I don't like it at this time of the year. I like the other nine months so much better. AND this was not a jab at snowbirds like our wonderful Barefoot and many others. It is crowded, Florida is enjoying....or suffering through one of the busiest tourist times it has had in YEARS....according to Wesh 2. Gas prices down and employment up may be the reason.


Watch out...incoming................

I agree with you 100% that it is high season and tourism is at its peak, and my comments have absolutely nothing to do with snowbirds, nothing. It has to do with the size The Villages have become, Fruitland Park. Labelle, and Osceola Hills and how knows what's too come. Those Villages will not be snowbirds only, they will have permanent residents, hence more crowds. I love it here, I'm not going anywhere, I'll just accept change and fondly remember how it was in 2006.

[Polar Bear]

...Accidents of course happen but it is the Duty of authorities to let the family know exactly what happened...

I agree. But there is far less urgency or obligation to make that information public. Curiosity or simple desire-to-know by uninvolved parties is not the same as family grief and potential recourse.

[hulahips]

Also agree. It is not just the snowbirds but the addition of more and more and more residents. Snowbirds do get tired of going back and forth and eventually settle here. I know several. Think the point being made was the villages w

[hulahips]

A nice friendly safe community but at some point should have been capped off. I would have liked them to stop before going across 466a and took the concept, idea, building into other states such as Texas, Arizona, etc why not allow others to enjoy our lifestyle also without cramming us all in and losing that friendly atmosphere that the original founder had in mind

[hulahips]

I agree. But there is far less urgency or obligation to make that information public. Curiosity or simple desire-to-know by uninvolved parties is not the same as family grief and potential recourse.

Yes completely understand your point. But down the road would like the truth to come out so we can all make decisions on whether we have reached a point where we have become so crowded, we may no longer be safe. But your point is respected as should everyone's be on the website. Tks for sharing

[Polar Bear]

I also respect your opinion. But I don't share the opinion that growth is reducing The Villages' appeal.

Nothing can be done...anywhere...to eliminate all accidents.

[justjim]

It is the high season and it is crowded all over Florida. There are folks staying here during the high season who have no interest vested or emotional in this community and they act that way wherever they are. That is NOT to say that all people who own here are nice and pleasant. That isn't true. It is crowded now and I don't like it at this time of the year. I like the other nine months so much better. AND this was not a jab at snowbirds like our wonderful Barefoot and many others. It is crowded, Florida is enjoying....or suffering through one of the busiest tourist times it has had in YEARS....according to Wesh 2. Gas prices down and employment up may be the reason.


Watch out...incoming................

January, February and March are busy months everywhere in Florida. A very good point. This terrible accident had little to do with how busy it was or how many were shopping at Colony Plaza or that residents were driving around in their golf cart or a man was on a practice run to train for a marathon. Rather, it had everything to do with a 58 year old man suffering a medical emergency while driving his SUV and unfortunately it resulted in a horrible accident that was unpredictable and unintentional.

There is no need to become paranoid about driving our golf carts because of a "one in 10 million freak accident". My prayers go out to family and friends of all affected by this tragedy.

[hulahips]

Hi polar bear. No one loves the villages more than me but if being honest, I do believe we are losing the appeal because of the size and crowd. I constantly have eyes and ears open and listen to others. I hear women complain they have to wait an hr go get in exercise class (I go to gym and waited today for treadmill but not an hr). They can't get into clubs that are closed because of large number of people or even be seen in the hospital w/o waiting 10 hrs. I still love it here but let's see IF I can get parking or a seat tonight for Rocky and the rollers? Looking forward to it, but if I have to turn around and come home due to large crowd, what's the point? Hmmm. Shall see.

[Taltarzac725]

Disney World was smaller at one time I suppose. The Villages does seem to be modeled on it at least the Villages as seen by the Morses.

[RickeyD]

Disney World was smaller at one time I suppose. The Villages does seem to be modeled on it at least the Villages as seen by the Morses.


There is no such thing as a slow week in Disney World any longer either. Build it and they shall come. We are living on a finite sized planet and the human population continues to grow unchecked. We don't need smaller houses or smaller cars or conservation, we need less people to be born and then attrition will take care of our future needs without any need to go "green" which is only a stop gap measure anyway.

[golfing eagles]

There is no such thing as a slow week in Disney World any longer either. Build it and they shall come. We are living on a finite sized planet and the human population continues to grow unchecked. We don't need smaller houses or smaller cars or conservation, we need less people to be born and then attrition will take care of our future needs without any need to go "green" which is only a stop gap measure anyway.

Georgia Guidestones???????

[dillywho]

It is sad that this had to happen at all. As for anyone, other than the immediate families of those involved, all the victims as well as the driver, it does not need to be public knowledge if it was something medical. Right away, people started jumping on testing, etc., of all persons over a particular age. The tone then changed when it turned out the person was 58 years old to "likely impaired".

For crying out loud, stuff happens and we don't always "need to know" just because we are Villagers. If this was not medical and ends up to be something else, charges likely will be levied against the driver. Then it will become very public. Right now, it is all among law enforcement and the families involved.

As for too many people and too many golf carts: I know of no one here being required to stay in what they consider "an unsafe environment". I don't know of anyone "required" to have to get around by cart. Why would anyone consider changing something that works very well 99.99% of the time because they are not comfortable with it? If it's not for you, then by all means, don't. We all came here freely and part of that attraction had to do with being able to get around by golf cart for what I think is the majority of us. As large as it is getting, perhaps there will come a time when we don't even need cars unless we plan to go out of town as more and more resources are being made available. Then renting one is an option for those occasions.

We have a car and a cart. I have given thought to perhaps not ever buying another car when this one needs replacing and just investing in another cart. When I want to go see my kids, I can either rent a car or fly. There are many advantages to doing this:

1) Virtually no maintenance
2) No auto insurance
3) No expensive licensing

You get the idea.

Like I said once before, you cannot avoid all the perils of life. There is no reason for all the panic over a one-in-a-million event. I am a firm believer in "when it's your time to go, it's your time to go", and for the most part, that time is not pretty no matter the manner.

[flyerguy]

It is sad that this had to happen at all. As for anyone, other than the immediate families of those involved, all the victims as well as the driver, it does not need to be public knowledge if it was something medical. Right away, people started jumping on testing, etc., of all persons over a particular age. The tone then changed when it turned out the person was 58 years old to "likely impaired".

For crying out loud, stuff happens and we don't always "need to know" just because we are Villagers. If this was not medical and ends up to be something else, charges likely will be levied against the driver. Then it will become very public. Right now, it is all among law enforcement and the families involved.

As for too many people and too many golf carts: I know of no one here being required to stay in what they consider "an unsafe environment". I don't know of anyone "required" to have to get around by cart. Why would anyone consider changing something that works very well 99.99% of the time because they are not comfortable with it? If it's not for you, then by all means, don't. We all came here freely and part of that attraction had to do with being able to get around by golf cart for what I think is the majority of us. As large as it is getting, perhaps there will come a time when we don't even need cars unless we plan to go out of town as more and more resources are being made available. Then renting one is an option for those occasions.

We have a car and a cart. I have given thought to perhaps not ever buying another car when this one needs replacing and just investing in another cart. When I want to go see my kids, I can either rent a car or fly. There are many advantages to doing this:

1) Virtually no maintenance
2) No auto insurance
3) No expensive licensing

You get the idea.

Like I said once before, you cannot avoid all the perils of life. There is no reason for all the panic over a one-in-a-million event. I am a firm believer in "when it's your time to go, it's your time to go", and for the most part, that time is not pretty no matter the manner.

Well Said. :thumbup:

[hulahips]

Well Said. :thumbup:
You have clearly listed some pros to golf carts. However only fair to list the cons.
Not sure they are meant to be driven in highly trafficking area due to safety concerns
They do Not offer same protection a vehicle does
More likely suited for smaller community
No AC in summer
No heat in cold

I love my golf cart too but let's be fair and list the pros and cons!

[RickeyD]

Georgia Guidestones???????

Cool ! I love Wikipedia :read:

[zonerboy]

Regarding the "cause" of this most unfortunate incident which took the lives of two innocent victims, those with a need to know will eventually find out the results of the police investigation. As for those motivated simply by curiosity, they will have to wait, and perhaps the results will never be made public.

[asianthree]

Sadly this accident could have happened in July. The crowds in high season would have nothing to do with this horrible accident. I for one do not need to know what caused the medical emergency, just that this couple will have to live with what happened and two families will have lost loved ones. The third party involved was a man of the cloth, yet still was injured, while running. No one had the chance to react, the only thing that being high season was there were people there to try and help the victims.

[sharoni]

It is sad that this had to happen at all. As for anyone, other than the immediate families of those involved, all the victims as well as the driver, it does not need to be public knowledge if it was something medical. Right away, people started jumping on testing, etc., of all persons over a particular age. The tone then changed when it turned out the person was 58 years old to "likely impaired".

For crying out loud, stuff happens and we don't always "need to know" just because we are Villagers. If this was not medical and ends up to be something else, charges likely will be levied against the driver. Then it will become very public. Right now, it is all among law enforcement and the families involved.

As for too many people and too many golf carts: I know of no one here being required to stay in what they consider "an unsafe environment". I don't know of anyone "required" to have to get around by cart. Why would anyone consider changing something that works very well 99.99% of the time because they are not comfortable with it? If it's not for you, then by all means, don't. We all came here freely and part of that attraction had to do with being able to get around by golf cart for what I think is the majority of us. As large as it is getting, perhaps there will come a time when we don't even need cars unless we plan to go out of town as more and more resources are being made available. Then renting one is an option for those occasions.

We have a car and a cart. I have given thought to perhaps not ever buying another car when this one needs replacing and just investing in another cart. When I want to go see my kids, I can either rent a car or fly. There are many advantages to doing this:

1) Virtually no maintenance
2) No auto insurance
3) No expensive licensing

You get the idea.

Like I said once before, you cannot avoid all the perils of life. There is no reason for all the panic over a one-in-a-million event. I am a firm believer in "when it's your time to go, it's your time to go", and for the most part, that time is not pretty no matter the manner.
That is the most intelligent thing I have read on the subject of this accident. How compassionate, thank you!

[Edjkoz]

It is sad that this had to happen at all. As for anyone, other than the immediate families of those involved, all the victims as well as the driver, it does not need to be public knowledge if it was something medical. Right away, people started jumping on testing, etc., of all persons over a particular age. The tone then changed when it turned out the person was 58 years old to "likely impaired".

For crying out loud, stuff happens and we don't always "need to know" just because we are Villagers. If this was not medical and ends up to be something else, charges likely will be levied against the driver. Then it will become very public. Right now, it is all among law enforcement and the families involved.

As for too many people and too many golf carts: I know of no one here being required to stay in what they consider "an unsafe environment". I don't know of anyone "required" to have to get around by cart. Why would anyone consider changing something that works very well 99.99% of the time because they are not comfortable with it? If it's not for you, then by all means, don't. We all came here freely and part of that attraction had to do with being able to get around by golf cart for what I think is the majority of us. As large as it is getting, perhaps there will come a time when we don't even need cars unless we plan to go out of town as more and more resources are being made available. Then renting one is an option for those occasions.

We have a car and a cart. I have given thought to perhaps not ever buying another car when this one needs replacing and just investing in another cart. When I want to go see my kids, I can either rent a car or fly. There are many advantages to doing this:

1) Virtually no maintenance
2) No auto insurance
3) No expensive licensing

You get the idea.

Like I said once before, you cannot avoid all the perils of life. There is no reason for all the panic over a one-in-a-million event. I am a firm believer in "when it's your time to go, it's your time to go", and for the most part, that time is not pretty no matter the manner.

Thank you for bringing this forum back to earth

[Villager Dude]

This is a tragic event and requires us to think about what we would do if we were the passenger in the car.

In most cases if the passenger recognizes an event taking place and can think fast enough they could grab the wheel , turn off ignition and pull emergency brake. In most car designs it is hard for a passenger to reach brake on floor. Also as a last resort you could put transmission in reverse. All this to save your live and perhaps others.

Maybe everyone should look at their car and look at alternatives.

It appears the car was a runaway car, not sure if cruise control was on but it appeared the car continued to move forward long after it hit the curb.

[Lbmb24101]

We use the golf cart as much as possible. Had the villages not been a golf cart community, we would not be living here. I could not imagine having to jump in the car to go to all the activities in the villages like golf, swim, pickleball, grocery shopping, rec center events.i

Exactly the same reason I am in The Villages, the infrastructure w golf carts.

[golfing eagles]

What price do you put on your life--buy a car that will protect you & yours

Its about time people realize the death traps that golf carts are-they are & were designed to be driven engulf courses ,NOT on roads in close proximity to cars & trucks

Its your life- we don't own a golf cart & never will--our lives and physical health are more valuable than so called convenience & $$$$

Yes, because we all know no one ever gets killed in a car

[Jima64]

This is a tragic event and requires us to think about what we would do if we were the passenger in the car.

In most cases if the passenger recognizes an event taking place and can think fast enough they could grab the wheel , turn off ignition and pull emergency brake. In most car designs it is hard for a passenger to reach brake on floor. Also as a last resort you could put transmission in reverse. All this to save your live and perhaps others.

Maybe everyone should look at their car and look at alternatives.

It appears the car was a runaway car, not sure if cruise control was on but it appeared the car continued to move forward long after it hit the curb.
Believevthey saidvthe carecincreased speed, possibly driver extended foot on gas pedal in response to medical emergency affecting his body.

[hulahips]

Yes, because we all know no one ever gets killed in a car

I don't think the poster stated no one ever gets killed in a car but your chances of survival are much much higher if in the car, not the golf cart. I'm sure that is what he meant.

[tuccillo]

It is possible that in terms of fatalities per mile driven, golf carts are safer than cars. I am not saying it is true but you may wish to consider that it might be. I don't have the statistics. Typically, safety statistics are presented in those sorts of terms. For example, with airliners. Nobody will question that a car offers more protection if you are in an accident than a golf cart but you may statistically be at greater risk of being in an fatal accident with a car than a golf cart. If you are trying to minimize risk, statistics provide useful information with regard to random events (which the thread subject matter was).

I don't think the poster stated no one ever gets killed in a car but your chances of survival are much much higher if in the car, not the golf cart. I'm sure that is what he meant.

[Bosoxfan]

January, February and March are busy months everywhere in Florida. A very good point. This terrible accident had little to do with how busy it was or how many were shopping at Colony Plaza or that residents were driving around in their golf cart or a man was on a practice run to train for a marathon. Rather, it had everything to do with a 58 year old man suffering a medical emergency while driving his SUV and unfortunately it resulted in a horrible accident that was unpredictable and unintentional.

There is no need to become paranoid about driving our golf carts because of a "one in 10 million freak accident". My prayers go out to family and friends of all affected by this tragedy.

Thank you for the voice of reasoning Jim.:agree:

[coffeebean]

Sadly this accident could have happened in July. The crowds in high season would have nothing to do with this horrible accident. I for one do not need to know what caused the medical emergency, just that this couple will have to live with what happened and two families will have lost loved ones. The third party involved was a man of the cloth, yet still was injured, while running. No one had the chance to react, the only thing that being high season was there were people there to try and help the victims.

This is not true. From all the articles I have read, there was a driver in a golf cart just ahead of the two women who were killed who veered left to avoid being hit by the out of control car. In fact, the passenger side view mirror of his cart was torn off by the car.

The driver of the cart who avoided being hit was quoted as saying he heard the car coming behind him. The two women who were killed, were in the cart ahead of him also going east on the cart path. Just wondering why the guy heard the vehicle behind him but from what I have read, the two women did not react as though they heard the car coming up behind them?

[coffeebean]

.........It appears the car was a runaway car, not sure if cruise control was on but it appeared the car continued to move forward long after it hit the curb.

The car not only moved forward after jumping the curb, I have read that the car actually accelerated.

[buzzy]

This is not true. From all the articles I have read, there was a driver in a golf cart just ahead of the two women who were killed who veered left to avoid being hit by the out of control car. In fact, the passenger side view mirror of his cart was torn off by the car.

The driver of the cart who avoided being hit was quoted as saying he heard the car coming behind him. The two women who were killed, were in the cart ahead of him also going east on the cart path. Just wondering why the guy heard the vehicle behind him but from what I have read, the two women did not react as though they heard the car coming up behind them?

An explanation might be "situational awareness". Not everyone has it. And it seems to wither with age.

[coffeebean]

An explanation might be "situational awareness". Not everyone has it. And it seems to wither with age.

The woman driver of the cart was 66. That's still young in my book but that's how old I am so I'm a little biased.

[teritat]

I knew both the lady driving the cart and her friend who was visiting...this was NOT their fault in any way and to try to suggest that it might have been is stupid. Nancy was a very intelligent and caring lady and so was Marsha.

Drop this topic and let those of us that are grieving for this horrible lost of lives do so without having to listen to garbage like this.

[bmarlo767]

It is sad that this had to happen at all. As for anyone, other than the immediate families of those involved, all the victims as well as the driver, it does not need to be public knowledge if it was something medical. Right away, people started jumping on testing, etc., of all persons over a particular age. The tone then changed when it turned out the person was 58 years old to "likely impaired".

For crying out loud, stuff happens and we don't always "need to know" just because we are Villagers. If this was not medical and ends up to be something else, charges likely will be levied against the driver. Then it will become very public. Right now, it is all among law enforcement and the families involved.

As for too many people and too many golf carts: I know of no one here being required to stay in what they consider "an unsafe environment". I don't know of anyone "required" to have to get around by cart. Why would anyone consider changing something that works very well 99.99% of the time because they are not comfortable with it? If it's not for you, then by all means, don't. We all came here freely and part of that attraction had to do with being able to get around by golf cart for what I think is the majority of us. As large as it is getting, perhaps there will come a time when we don't even need cars unless we plan to go out of town as more and more resources are being made available. Then renting one is an option for those occasions.

We have a car and a cart. I have given thought to perhaps not ever buying another car when this one needs replacing and just investing in another cart. When I want to go see my kids, I can either rent a car or fly. There are many advantages to doing this:

1) Virtually no maintenance
2) No auto insurance
3) No expensive licensing

You get the idea.

Like I said once before, you cannot avoid all the perils of life. There is no reason for all the panic over a one-in-a-million event. I am a firm believer in "when it's your time to go, it's your time to go", and for the most part, that time is not pretty no matter the manner.
Well said! As I understand It coming here is not mandatory, If unhappy we should feel free to leave.

[SCasey]

Interestingly, medical issues do not make the top 25 causes of accidents or even get honorable mention, and neither does advancing age:


1. Distracted Driving

The number one cause of car accidents is not a criminal that drove drunk, sped or ran a red light. Distracted drivers are the top cause of car accidents in the U.S. today. A distracted driver is a motorist that diverts his or her attention from the road, usually to talk on a cell phone, send a text message or eat food.


I once saw a woman using the rear view mirror to put on her eye make-up while passing me on the highway. My favorite was the guy eating a bowl of cereal (with a spoon) while on his way.

[RickeyD]

I once saw a woman using the rear view mirror to put on her eye make-up while passing me on the highway. My favorite was the guy eating a bowl of cereal (with a spoon) while on his way.


Ha ! My favorite was a guy eating linguini with red sauce off a plate. He held the wheel with his elbows and slurped his way down the old highway.