Villages purchase of First Baptist building

[wdonze]

The Villages has been in negotiations to purchase the former building of the First Baptist church on Rt 42 to be used as a rec center in the Marion county expansion of CDD4. It was announced during the service yesterday and probably is in the happy paper today that First Baptist has backed out of the process and will not be selling the building to the Villages. First Baptist wanted the Villages to provide some of the functionality of the old building in their new church via remodeling as part of the deal, but the Villages would not agree to that stipulation.

[Boudicca]

Thank for posting the truth

[Carl in Tampa]

So a business entity and a private entity did not come to an agreement.

Why is this newsworthy?

[Boudicca]

FBCATV had from day one, stated the requirement of a replacement to the original Church building which has a commercial kitchen and baptistery. When the villages made their offer it was without the addition/replacement of the old building

[justjim]

I have no dog in this fight but I suppose residents that are affected by proposed expansion want to know---if no additional recreation is provided on this property, then where, if at all?

[Rapscallion St Croix]

So a business entity and a private entity did not come to an agreement.

Why is this newsworthy?

To those of us who use Mulberry Grove Rec Center, it is front page worthy.

[graciegirl]

To those of us who use Mulberry Grove Rec Center, it is front page worthy.





Monsieur St. Croix, wait and see. The fat lady is just warming up. There will be a rec center if there is a village...Wait and see. Patience, my friend.


I don't see anything to criticize about the family's business negotiations with the church. It was simply a real estate deal and both sides couldn't come to an agreement.

[Bogie Shooter]

Thank for posting the truth

Has there been some untruth information released?

[bagboy]

The Villages has been in negotiations to purchase the former building of the First Baptist church on Rt 42 to be used as a rec center in the Marion county expansion of CDD4. It was announced during the service yesterday and probably is in the happy paper today that First Baptist has backed out of the process and will not be selling the building to the Villages. First Baptist wanted the Villages to provide some of the functionality of the old building in their new church via remodeling as part of the deal, but the Villages would not agree to that stipulation.

Who is dropping out of negotiations with First Baptist, the VCDD, CDD4, or the developer?

[outlaw]

As I understand it, this rec center (Baptist church building) was going to be bought and paid for by the AAC (the org that manages the $40M settlement with the developer). The developer was not going to pay the bill for this. The only thing the developer offered was to donate the money he was going to spend on a neighborhood pool to the AAC towards the rec center pool. Now, the AAC will probably get sucked into spending $3M for 40 acres on 42, with no building. This is going to be one expensive rec center by the time it's finished.

[Carl in Tampa]

So a business entity and a private entity did not come to an agreement.

Why is this newsworthy?

To those of us who use Mulberry Grove Rec Center, it is front page worthy.

Perhaps I don't understand the issue. Are you in an area where it is a hardship to drive to Mulberry Grove Rec Center? I go there in a cart from Piedmont and don't find it inconvenient.

Also, you may overestimate the usefulness of the facility that is the old FBC building. It is quite small, and has nothing like the utilitarian value of Mulberry Grove.

I agree with Gracie that this negotiation is not over. The parties have agreed that one side wants to buy and the other wants to sell. The only issue is finding a mutually agreeable price.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Perhaps I don't understand the issue. Are you in an area where it is a hardship to drive to Mulberry Grove Rec Center? I go there in a cart from Piedmont and don't find it inconvenient.

Also, you may overestimate the usefulness of the facility that is the old FBC building. It is quite small, and has nothing like the utilitarian value of Mulberry Grove.

I agree with Gracie that this negotiation is not over. The parties have agreed that one side wants to buy and the other wants to sell. The only issue is finding a mutually agreeable price.

The issue is that we don't need 600 more households using Mulberry Grove.

[joldnol]

Perhaps I don't understand the issue. Are you in an area where it is a hardship to drive to Mulberry Grove Rec Center?

Perhaps their concern is that it would add another choice in the most amenity deprived area of TV

[graciegirl]

Perhaps their concern is that it would add another choice in the most amenity deprived area of TV



These are things to consider when buying a home here. I drive all over to rec centers for art activities and never think a thing about it.


All rec centers are for the use of all of us. I think this is one of the things that the "family" improved on as The Villages grew.


I kinda think, this problem too will be solved. I just read that they are fixing up and sprucing up Schwartz Park.

[kansasr]

I think the District 4 supervisors were very myopic in their approval of this plan. Adding 300 villas will increase the number of villas by 20% (there are currently 1,497). While it's a win for the district because they get 300 additional amenity fees each year, it's an added burden on a district that is already under represented with recreation centers (Regional and Village). The 2 additional neighborhood rec centers will do nothing to alleviate the additional demand in this district for recreation services.

[chuckinca]

As I understand it, this rec center (Baptist church building) was going to be bought and paid for by the AAC (the org that manages the $40M settlement with the developer). The developer was not going to pay the bill for this. The only thing the developer offered was to donate the money he was going to spend on a neighborhood pool to the AAC towards the rec center pool. Now, the AAC will probably get sucked into spending $3M for 40 acres on 44, with no building. This is going to be one expensive rec center by the time it's finished.


I believe it's on CR 42 the northern border of TV not SR 44 the southern border of TV (about 12 miles apart).

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[asianthree]

I agree with GG we travel to almost all of the rec centers to take a class

[goodtimesintv]

I, too, drive to distant rec centers for various things not offered/available at the ones close to me. I give it little thought because other places where we could be living could only dream of what we have here.

But I have to admit also, I was mighty surprised when our friends bought a home near BV Blvd and Camino Real, and we went looking for neighborhood pools. I was shocked to see so few there as compared to where we live south of 466.

[outlaw]

I believe it's on CR 42 the northern border of TV not SR 44 the southern border of TV (about 12 miles apart).

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Yes. I meant 42.

[outlaw]

I think the District 4 supervisors were very myopic in their approval of this plan. Adding 300 villas will increase the number of villas by 20% (there are currently 1,497). While it's a win for the district because they get 300 additional amenity fees each year, it's an added burden on a district that is already under represented with recreation centers (Regional and Village). The 2 additional neighborhood rec centers will do nothing to alleviate the additional demand in this district for recreation services.

I think each district has about 6000? units. The area north of El Camino has one district and parts of two other districts, I think. So, we could be looking at about 12,000? units. So, from that perspective, 300 additional units is not a great increase in burden on the amenities. If the developer builds two additional pools, that would really help the pool situation in the north end.

[Topspinmo]

I thought the west CYV construction had to have cart access to calumet ave? If I remember what I read when this project was first announced? the cart access runs along the horse farm and church property that butts up against village property. With church negotiations stalemated wouldn't that throw wrench in the west side CYV build?

The church property would really add some facilities if they are planned. Like platform tennis, which is only available in the south, couple tennis courts with master tennis lines being there are only 4 north of el Camino Reno. I doubt pickleball courts will be added due to noise which could bother horses or close residents? The church property could be the Rotan of the north if planned right IMO. O I forget handball courts, would be first for the villages?

I heard the east project east of VA will have rec center.

[TVMayor]

I think each district has about 6000? units. The area north of El Camino has one district and parts of two other districts, I think. So, we could be looking at about 12,000? units. So, from that perspective, 300 additional units is not a great increase in burden on the amenities. If the developer builds two additional pools, that would really help the pool situation in the north end.
District 1 – consists of approximately 998 acres (4.04 km2) in the northeast corner of Sumter County, which includes 3,420 residential units
District 2 – consists of approximately 990 acres (4.0 km2) in the northeast corner of Sumter County, which includes 3,668 residential units
District 3 – consists of approximately 894 acres (3.62 km2) in the northeast corner of Sumter County, which includes 3,762 residential units
District 4 – consists of approximately 1,187 acres (4.80 km2) in the southern portion of Marion County, which includes 5,132 residential units

[Xavier]

The issue is that we don't need 600 more households using Mulberry Grove.

I will easily lessen your worry and disgust. "Poof" - there will be only half as many households. It's 300 homes, NOT 600 homes.

You are welcome!

Xavier

[TVMayor]

I will easily lessen your worry and disgust. "Poof" - there will be only half as many households. It's 300 homes, NOT 600 homes.

You are welcome!

Xavier
The Developer's proposal dated June 10, 2015 says in part….

131 village/cottage homes (Soulliere Villas)
169 unit “Phillips Villas”

The Developer shall retain the right to include an additional 300 units within the Village Center Service Area, provided that such units shall be limited to occupants of Independent Living Facilities or Assisted Living Facilities which are typically low impact users of Amenity Facilities.

131+169+300=600

[outlaw]

The Developer's proposal dated June 10, 2015 says in part….

131 village/cottage homes (Soulliere Villas)
169 unit “Phillips Villas”

The Developer shall retain the right to include an additional 300 units within the Village Center Service Area, provided that such units shall be limited to occupants of Independent Living Facilities or Assisted Living Facilities which are typically low impact users of Amenity Facilities.

131+169+300=600

What is a village center service area?

[photo1902]

What is a village center service area?
Village Center Service Area (VCSA) services approximately 17,948 residents in District #1, Lady Lake and Lake County

VCSA comprises of 95 miles of potable water mains, 509 fire hydrants, 83 miles of sanitary sewer mains, 15 miles of sanitary force mains, 1643 manholes and 31 lift stations.

VCSA is regulated by St. Johns River Water Management District for water use and Florida Department of Environmental Protection, Orlando for water and wastewater treatment and distribution.

[TVMayor]

What is a village center service area?

Village Center Service Area (VCSA) I make a check out to them ever month for water, sewer, garbage pickup, and amenities. I put the envelope in the box at the post office box station that does not require a stamp.

[Xavier]

The Developer's proposal dated June 10, 2015 says in part….

131 village/cottage homes (Soulliere Villas)
169 unit “Phillips Villas”

The Developer shall retain the right to include an additional 300 units within the Village Center Service Area, provided that such units shall be limited to occupants of Independent Living Facilities or Assisted Living Facilities which are typically low impact users of Amenity Facilities.

131+169+300=600

I sincerely don't believe the additional units have anything to do with Recreational and Facility Use at Mulberry Regional Recreation Center, Chatham Village Rec Center or Calumet and Springdale Neighborhood Rec Centers. I do believe it has to do with Sewer and Water services and usage for the Independent Living units when and if they are built.

Xavier