Beware!!! this SUV is out to kill someone...

[bikeman]

This SUV tried to run over one of our cyclist the other day. Going north on Buena Vista by the Savannah center round about, our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again. That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number. We called the Sumter County police, and officer Wills, to report the incident. We were not looking to ticket the driver, but to let him/her know that crossing two lanes at a high rate of speed is jeopardizing the safety, and maybe the life of these cyclist. The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle? I guess someone has to be injured before this officer would help with the situation. If you know this person, please notify them that what they did was totally wrong, and could have cost someone their life just to make the turn 5 seconds earlier. They never stopped, or even acknowledged any wrong doing. Even after giving the Sumter County officer the license number he refused to do anything telling me that Florida license plates has 6 numbers/letters not 5. I know that vanity plates in Florida can have less than 6. I am not sure why he chose not to pursue this problem, or at least make a call telling them they are now being watched and should be more considerate of cyclist. Here is a picture of the SUV. Please let me know if you know this person. License # SJE IT
Thanks for caring,

[Polar Bear]

I sympathize with you.

However, I'm not sure what you think the officer should have done. If you could take action against somebody based solely on the hearsay of another (there was admittedly no incident that the officer could investigate) think of the chaos that would cause. Simply don't like somebody? Tell police they committed a crime.

[looneycat]

This SUV tried to run over one of our cyclist the other day. Going north on Buena Vista by the Savannah center round about, our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again. That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number. We called the Sumter County police, and officer Wills, to report the incident. We were not looking to ticket the driver, but to let him/her know that crossing two lanes at a high rate of speed is jeopardizing the safety, and maybe the life of these cyclist. The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle? I guess someone has to be injured before this officer would help with the situation. If you know this person, please notify them that what they did was totally wrong, and could have cost someone their life just to make the turn 5 seconds earlier. They never stopped, or even acknowledged any wrong doing. Even after giving the Sumter County officer the license number he refused to do anything telling me that Florida license plates has 6 numbers/letters not 5. I know that vanity plates in Florida can have less than 6. I am not sure why he chose not to pursue this problem, or at least make a call telling them they are now being watched and should be more considerate of cyclist. Here is a picture of the SUV. Please let me know if you know this person. License # SJE IT
Thanks for caring,

i was wondering from your description it sounded like the whole group started out. anyone in the roundabout would then have right of way over a bike entering. was it that way???

[Nucky]

I feel your pain. However I am not Law Enforcement and neither are you. It is your choice to leave the offender's license plate number posted but I have a feeling it may not be the best way to go. My dad used to say, once your 3 times 7 you have to make your own decisions and live with the consequences. Be careful.

[golfing eagles]

I think this guy's soul mate just tried to cream me 15 minutes ago. Headed west on Pinellas, a similar colored vehicle, but a sedan, cut right across my cart lane to turn into Bonifay. I hit the brakes so hard that the cart skidded about 15 feet and left 1/4 inch rubber on the path, missed contact by a foot or 2. He did not stop, he did not have a signal on, and he wasn't old enough to use that excuse. I was tempted to chase him up to the clubhouse, but I'd have more luck talking to a rock.

[bikeman]

I also told the officer that we also had the video of the complete incident, but he did not care.

[bikeman]

He came from behind us to the round about in the left lane and cut across our right lane to make the turn. He did not have the right of way!

[bikeman]

If you need a rock to talk to, call officer Wills. Ha!

[bikeman]

That's why I contacted the officer. If he would have at least made an effort to inform the driver that cutting anyone off, especially a pedestrian or a cyclist, I would not have to resort to these tactics. This person has no compassion for anyone who gets in their way. We had been stopped for around 2 minutes waiting for the traffic coming from the north to make the round about down El Camino. No one else was coming from that way, so we preceded to go north in our lane up Buena Vista. This guy came from behind us and in the wrong lane to make a right turn. I just wanted the driver to made aware of their mistake. I don't think that I was asking for too much.

[Taltarzac725]

The police are probably scared about defense lawyers, liability and the like. Chain of custody for things filmed as well. There is also the problem of false testimony against neighbors, ex-lovers, employees, ex-friends, bosses and the like whom you might have some argument with.

Maybe some of the Villages cameras have picked up this person's bad driving. There would not be any personal animosity and chain of custody problems there.

[Taltarzac725]

I think this guy's soul mate just tried to cream me 15 minutes ago. Headed west on Pinellas, a similar colored vehicle, but a sedan, cut right across my cart lane to turn into Bonifay. I hit the brakes so hard that the cart skidded about 15 feet and left 1/4 inch rubber on the path, missed contact by a foot or 2. He did not stop, he did not have a signal on, and he wasn't old enough to use that excuse. I was tempted to chase him up to the clubhouse, but I'd have more luck talking to a rock.

Many people seemed to be in a real hurry today. Had some tail-gating golf carts on my way to and from Sumter Landing. I go rather slow but not so much that I am a traffic nuisance.

[blueash]

According to state of Florida, the license plate SJE IT is available. Also available are SJE 1T and 5JE IT and 5JE 1T and all variations without the space.
https://services.flhsmv.gov/MVCheckPersonalPlate/

It does look like a Florida salutes veterans plate.

You can get information on the owner of any plate as that is public record.

Bureau of Records
2900 Apalachee Pkwy, MS 89
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0500
HSMV-Records@flhsmv.gov
(850) 617-2702

[venecia]

A question to the cycling community. A group of cyclists riding two abreast come to a four way stop sign. How many are permitted to cross at once? My thought is the first two riders with the rest of the pack taking their turn to stop.

[joldnol]

Each bike is a separate vehicle.....did they enter the circle En mass? Or individually?

[Sandtrap328]

How many times have we all seen the large groups of cyclists blow through STOP signs? They say they slow down and look for on-coming cars but do not unhook from their pedals.

The sign is not just a suggestion, cyclists.

You want to be considered a part of traffic - please obey the rules.

As for giving the police officer a plate number and saying the driver broke the law? Ridiculous! Posting his plate on TOTV? Irresponsible and quite possibly he could sue you for doing! If it was my plate, I would be contacting Attorney Dan Newlin.

:popcorn:

[golfing eagles]

How many times have we all seen the large groups of cyclists blow through STOP signs? They say they slow down and look for on-coming cars but do not unhook from their pedals.

The sign is not just a suggestion, cyclists.

You want to be considered a part of traffic - please obey the rules.

As for giving the police officer a plate number and saying the driver broke the law? Ridiculous! Posting his plate on TOTV? Irresponsible and quite possibly he could sue you for doing! If it was my plate, I would be contacting Attorney Dan Newlin.

:popcorn:

Not to mention the possible libeling of the police officer who was named. If department policy is to not address complaints of this nature, then he's skating on thin ice.

[outlaw]

I believe, going north on BV at ECR, the lines in the RAB indicate that both the left AND right lanes individually continue for the first exit. That would lead most people to think that the inside/left lane has the right of way exiting at ECR. To continue north on BV in the right lane, forces traffic in the right lane to cross a dotted line as the traffic enters the left lane. The ridiculous signs that are too small to read while busy watching the road and traffic indicate that one should not be in the left lane if exiting the first exit. Big confusion, thus the officer probably did not want to spend otherwise valuable time tracking down and "teaching" someone the confusing/conflicting rules of TV RABs. This scenario happens at least once a day, only with two autos. If you bikers want to play on the roads built for 4000 pound killing machines, you better get used to these events. Otherwise, you can join the sane bikers on the MMPs and residential streets.

[outlaw]

A question to the cycling community. A group of cyclists riding two abreast come to a four way stop sign. How many are permitted to cross at once? My thought is the first two riders with the rest of the pack taking their turn to stop.

According to the sheriff's office, they are supposed to be riding single file if they are traveling slower than the surrounding traffic.

[VApeople]

The moral to all of these stories: It is dangerous to ride a bike or drive a cart on a road where cars are driving.

Of course, nothing in life is free of risk. We just need to accept the risk of the activities we choose to enjoy. If the pleasure of riding a bike or driving a cart is important to you, then by all means do it, but you have to accept the fact that many people drive a car with their head in a warm, dark place.

[ditka41]

Perhaps the Sheriff would take an interest in this whole incident, and even be grateful to know of the attitudes of his employees IF incorrect. Why not discuss it with him and see where that goes? ---Usually there at least two sides to every encounter. I gave up motorcycling mainly because the drivers here can not be trusted to navigate a round-about properly.

[Mikeod]

I believe, going north on BV at ECR, the lines in the RAB indicate that both the left AND right lanes individually continue for the first exit. That would lead most people to think that the inside/left lane has the right of way exiting at ECR. To continue north on BV in the right lane, forces traffic in the right lane to cross a dotted line as the traffic enters the left lane. The ridiculous signs that are too small to read while busy watching the road and traffic indicate that one should not be in the left lane if exiting the first exit. Big confusion, thus the officer probably did not want to spend otherwise valuable time tracking down and "teaching" someone the confusing/conflicting rules of TV RABs. This scenario happens at least once a day, only with two autos. If you bikers want to play on the roads built for 4000 pound killing machines, you better get used to these events. Otherwise, you can join the sane bikers on the MMPs and residential streets.
The movement of vehicles in a roundabout is dictated by the lane they are in when entering the RAB, not the lines on the road. What you are suggesting is the same as making a right turn from the left lane at a regular intersection.

[Chatbrat]

Same goes for the late model white Camry, that ran the 4 way stop @ DelMar & Rio Grande-he followed the car that was in front of him-just to wait @ the traffic light @ Morse Blvd

[Greg Nelson]

what's the hurry?

[biker1]

Actually that is not what the law says. The law says that cyclists can ride two abreast as long as they aren't impeding the flow of traffic. In reality, cyclists cannot impede the flow of traffic on the roads in The Villages because they are sub-standard width and a bike and a car cannot coexist in the same lane. Cars must use the other lane to pass regardless of whether the cyclists are single file or two abreast - it doesn't matter. If the roads were wide enough for a car and single file bikes to coexist in the same lane, then riding two abreast could impeded the flow of traffic if it was a two-lane road. On four lane roads, cyclists cannot impede the flow of traffic regardless of the width of the lane because there is a passing lane. This has been discussed numerous times before.

Cyclists Riding Two Abreast | Florida Bicycle Law (http://flbikelaw.org/2009/07/cyclists-riding-two-abreast/)

According to the sheriff's office, they are supposed to be riding single file if they are traveling slower than the surrounding traffic.

[outlaw]

The movement of vehicles in a roundabout is dictated by the lane they are in when entering the RAB, not the lines on the road. What you are suggesting is the same as making a right turn from the left lane at a regular intersection.

I understand what you are saying, but....the lines DO confuse the issue. Lines are placed on the roads to provide guidance to the drivers, thus the confusion. Now add in the visitor factor, and you have the perfect storm. This scenario happens daily in TV RABs.

[virgind]

I would find out who posted my lis number and sue you first off. You have a picture and no proof. 2nd I posted a comment about bikes not yielding to traffic in general. If you are a big enough group and a club you need to either get a chase car or get with the District and have the lanes or streets block for your ride. I could tell you about bikes not stopping at stop signs,not yielding at circles not signaling for turns and many more. Some of these groups are causing attitudes as where do you get off thinking you own the road.It's hell this time of the year with traffic. Be safe and have a great day. I also think that TOTV should remove this post as this might be considered slanderous. They are a part of it. You people are nuts

[Walter123]

I almost ran over a couple of idiot bicyclists with my SUV the other day. I was waiting at Bailey Trail and St. Charles in a line of cars at a red light and making a right when two bikes rode up on the diagonal white line area passing stopped cars on the right. They went straight. What the heck is wrong with some people.

[outlaw]

Actually that is not what the law says. The law says that cyclists can ride two abreast as long as they aren't impeding the flow of traffic. In reality, cyclists cannot impede the flow of traffic on the roads in The Villages because they are sub-standard width and a bike and a car cannot coexist in the same lane. Cars must use the other lane to pass regardless of whether the cyclists are single file or two abreast - it doesn't matter. If the roads were wide enough for a car and bike to coexist in the same lane then riding two abreast could impeded the flow of traffic. This has been discussed numerous times before.

That isn't what the deputy said according to the POA. You have interpreted the law to fit your desired outcome...imo. From one cyclist to another, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

[biker1]

I read the article and I have read the law and it is quite clear that bikes cannot impede the flow of traffic on sub-standard width roads. Single file riders can occupy an entire lane legally and will not be impeding the flow of traffic if they are sub-standard width. The point you missed is that the deputy's comments only refer to standard width roads. He already acknowledged that the roads must be standard width (which they aren't in The Villages).

That isn't what the deputy said according to the POA. You have interpreted the law to fit your desired outcome...imo. From one cyclist to another, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

[PennBF]

How many have seen a number of bike riders occupying an almost total lane with a true sense of entitlement. They believe that as a large group they have the right over all others. It is no surprise that some times the cars get fed up with that arrogrance. As I understood the law bikes are to be wihin 3 feed of the curb.:ohdear:

[Chatbrat]

Another bike rider had a real death wish last week. He blew through the traffic circle yield sign at full speed across the intersection of St. Charles & Buena Vista--

I'm thinking about getting a dash cam-it might save me and my insurance company some $$$ if things continue on the same path ,here

maximum density with an aging population--lots of problems ahead

[biker1]

That is incorrect. You might wish to look up the law. Cyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as cars and can occupy an entire lane, just like cars, on sub-standard width roads (as we have in The Villages). There are several instances where you will see cyclists more to the center of a lane for safety reasons. This will happen often when approaching roundabouts to prevent cars from squeezing cyclists into the curbs. The Village's roads are not wide enough for a bike and car to coexist in the same lane (sub-standard width roads). Most cyclists will normally stay in the right most third of the right lane but there is still insufficient width for a car to pass in the same lane. You must move to the other lane when passing.

How many have seen a number of bike riders occupying an almost total lane with a true sense of entitlement. They believe that as a large group they have the right over all others. It is no surprise that some times the cars get fed up with that arrogrance. As I understood the law bikes are to be wihin 3 feed of the curb.:ohdear:

[outlaw]

Same goes for the late model white Camry, that ran the 4 way stop @ DelMar & Rio Grande-he followed the car that was in front of him-just to wait @ the traffic light @ Morse Blvd

Don't be too hard on him. Maybe he is a cyclist that forgot he was in his car...

[biker1]

And you are surprised? Rolling through stop signs is pretty common around here.

Same goes for the late model white Camry, that ran the 4 way stop @ DelMar & Rio Grande-he followed the car that was in front of him-just to wait @ the traffic light @ Morse Blvd

[Chatbrat]

could be didn't see any bike rack

[outlaw]

could be didn't see any bike rack

Could it be that intersection is considered substandard, therefore anyone can "take the intersection"?

[BobnBev]

Start with Lt. Seimer, and continue up to Sheriff Bill Farmer. If you have proof (a Video) and are willing to go to court, an arrest is required.IMHO

[Kevin and Luci]

Have not seen a response to this question. Based on observation on many occasions I would venture to say the riders went through as a group..... This tends to complicate the issue in many ways. If I were traveling with a group of car show buddies could we all just go at the same time and expect others to enjoy the parade? I don't think so......



A question to the cycling community. A group of cyclists riding two abreast come to a four way stop sign. How many are permitted to cross at once? My thought is the first two riders with the rest of the pack taking their turn to stop.

[biker1]

If it is clear, you may see some roll through the stop sign at a slow speed. If it isn't, they will unclip and wait. Pretty much what many cars and golf carts do.

Have not seen a response to this question. Based on observation on many occasions I would venture to say the riders went through as a group..... This tends to complicate the issue in many ways. If I were traveling with a group of car show buddies could we all just go at the same time and expect others to enjoy the parade? I don't think so......

[perrjojo]

I would find out who posted my lis number and sue you first off. You have a picture and no proof. 2nd I posted a comment about bikes not yielding to traffic in general. If you are a big enough group and a club you need to either get a chase car or get with the District and have the lanes or streets block for your ride. I could tell you about bikes not stopping at stop signs,not yielding at circles not signaling for turns and many more. Some of these groups are causing attitudes as where do you get off thinking you own the road.It's hell this time of the year with traffic. Be safe and have a great day. I also think that TOTV should remove this post as this might be considered slanderous. They are a part of it. You people are nuts

You may be correct but when I questioned the practice of the "other online paper" showing photo of bad parking along with license plates; I was told by many that there was no liability. Who knows? Well, at least I don't know. Btw, I used to be a cyclist and this is a battle no one will ever win. Drivers that have never cycled just don't get it and cyclist don't understand why it's really that offensive for vehicles to slow down for 2 or 3 minutes. Each has valid arguments but I wish we could be kind and share the road.

[CritterLover]

The moral to all of these stories: It is dangerous to ride a bike or drive a cart on a road where cars are driving.

Of course, nothing in life is free of risk. We just need to accept the risk of the activities we choose to enjoy. If the pleasure of riding a bike or driving a cart is important to you, then by all means do it, but you have to accept the fact that many people drive a car with their head in a warm, dark place.

Why do we park on a driveway and drive on a parkway? Couldn't resist.

:girlneener:

[virgind]

Good point jojo, but parking is one thing. The original poster could have been implying the driver of the SUV may have been trying to hit him. Which I don't think he was.

[Topspinmo]

Good point jojo, but parking is one thing. The original poster could have been implying the driver of the SUV may have been trying to hit him. Which I don't think he was.

Some people when passing get about half car length then swerve over in front of you cursing you to brake to keep from hitting them. It's called being cut-off. Happens all the time. some at least have the courtesy to use they're blinker light as they cut you off. Some People who done the rat race for 50 years can't stop or even see they are doing anything wrong.

What really pi$$es me off when they cut you off then slam on their brakes and turn which leaves you so distraught that you didn't hit them you can think for few minutes.

[kcrazorbackfan]

How many times have we all seen the large groups of cyclists blow through STOP signs? They say they slow down and look for on-coming cars but do not unhook from their pedals.

The sign is not just a suggestion, cyclists.

You want to be considered a part of traffic - please obey the rules.

As for giving the police officer a plate number and saying the driver broke the law? Ridiculous! Posting his plate on TOTV? Irresponsible and quite possibly he could sue you for doing! If it was my plate, I would be contacting Attorney Dan Newlin.

:popcorn:

:agree: Those people are treading on litigious ground when they make one-sided accusations that "someone is trying to kill them" and then go so far as to post a license plate. Big no-no people, big no-no.

[dirtbanker]

That is incorrect. You might wish to look up the law. Cyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as cars and can occupy an entire lane, just like cars, on sub-standard width roads (as we have in The Villages). There are several instances where you will see cyclists more to the center of a lane for safety reasons. This will happen often when approaching roundabouts to prevent cars from squeezing cyclists into the curbs. The Village's roads are not wide enough for a bike and car to coexist in the same lane (sub-standard width roads). Most cyclists will normally stay in the right most third of the right lane but there is still insufficient width for a car to pass in the same lane. You must move to the other lane when passing.

If they have the same rights and responsibilities as cars why don't they pay for license plates? Why don't they have to have proof of insurance? Why don't they contribute to road tax fund?

If the roads are "sub-standard width" in the Villages, why don't you "Lance Armstrong Wanna Be"s throw your silly outfits on and ride your bike on a stand in your driveway? You would not have to worry about being squeezed into curbs and you don't have to worry about any SUV trying to kill you.

[golfing eagles]

If they have the same rights and responsibilities as cars why don't they pay for license plates? Why don't they have to have proof of insurance? Why don't they contribute to road tax fund?

If the roads are "sub-standard width" in the Villages, why don't you "Lance Armstrong Wanna Be"s throw your silly outfits on and ride your bike on a stand in your driveway? You would not have to worry about being squeezed into curbs and you don't have to worry about any SUV trying to kill you.

First of all, let me state that I am not a cyclist. I don't even own a bicycle, and I haven't been on one in 40 years. I also initially took offense at threads that had cyclists espousing the "own the lane" philosophy, since it appeared that their national organization was making up their own rules.

Then, I did some research. Under the law, they have the same rights and responsibilities when using the public roads, and are entitled to be there. I went as far as walking out to the center line of Morse and BV to measure the lanes. They are absolutely correct that there is not enough room for a car to pass a bicycle in the same lane with 3 feet of clearance. Interestingly, it's not the width of the SUV that's the problem, it is the projection of the side view mirrors.

The argument about licensing cycles is absurd. How about pedestrians? Should the need a license, a plate, and pay a fee to walk on a road? How about walking across the street to a neighbor's house---need a license for that. How about golf carts?

The second paragraph was even more inane. Who are any of us to tell another what activity they are allowed to enjoy, where to enjoy it, and what to wear? Maybe the cyclists should get to tell us what to wear on the golf course, or the pools, or in the squares??? Or do they just get to make fun of what you are wearing?

To paraphrase JFK---We all live in this small community, we all share the same roads, we all cherish our retirement, and we are all mortal.

End of rant

[biker1]

I see you haven't made much progress on your anger issues since your last rant about cyclists. Think of your anger as a helium balloon: just let it go. Have a good day and drive gently.

If they have the same rights and responsibilities as cars why don't they pay for license plates? Why don't they have to have proof of insurance? Why don't they contribute to road tax fund?

If the roads are "sub-standard width" in the Villages, why don't you "Lance Armstrong Wanna Be"s throw your silly outfits on and ride your bike on a stand in your driveway? You would not have to worry about being squeezed into curbs and you don't have to worry about any SUV trying to kill you.

[Walter123]

First of all, let me state that I am not a cyclist. I don't even own a bicycle, and I haven't been on one in 40 years. I also initially took offense at threads that had cyclists espousing the "own the lane" philosophy, since it appeared that their national organization was making up their own rules.

Then, I did some research. Under the law, they have the same rights and responsibilities when using the public roads, and are entitled to be there. I went as far as walking out to the center line of Morse and BV to measure the lanes. They are absolutely correct that there is not enough room for a car to pass a bicycle in the same lane with 3 feet of clearance. Interestingly, it's not the width of the SUV that's the problem, it is the projection of the side view mirrors.

The argument about licensing cycles is absurd. How about pedestrians? Should the need a license, a plate, and pay a fee to walk on a road? How about walking across the street to a neighbor's house---need a license for that. How about golf carts?

The second paragraph was even more inane. Who are any of us to tell another what activity they are allowed to enjoy, where to enjoy it, and what to wear? Maybe the cyclists should get to tell us what to wear on the golf course, or the pools, or in the squares??? Or do they just get to make fun of what you are wearing?

To paraphrase JFK---We all live in this small community, we all share the same roads, we all cherish our retirement, and we are all mortal.

End of rant

That about covers it. Very good response.

:bigbow:

[looneycat]

people are throwing road width around. standard lane width is 9-12 feet. our lanes are easily 9 feet and more, besides, since they are county roads, you again are blaming the villages for something built under govt authority.

[biker1]

There is no blame being assessed as nothing has been done incorrectly. It is nothing more than a statement of fact regarding lane widths and the consequences within the law. The term "sub-standard width" is from the Florida statute.

people are throwing road width around. standard lane width is 9-12 feet. our lanes are easily 9 feet and more, besides, since they are county roads, you again are blaming the villages for something built under govt authority.

[golfing eagles]

people are throwing road width around. standard lane width is 9-12 feet. our lanes are easily 9 feet and more, besides, since they are county roads, you again are blaming the villages for something built under govt authority.

The criteria, under the law, is not whether or not the road is "standard width", it is whether there is enough room for a motor vehicle to pass the bicycle in the same lane with 3 feet of margin.

The lanes on Morse, at least where it runs past Sarasota practice range, are 10 feet 9 inches. My SUV (not a compact car but also not a landscaper hauling a trailer) is 7 foot 4 inches from the tips of mirrors. Giving 3 feet of safety, this means I would have to perfectly, consistently drive with the tip of my driver's side mirror over the center line of the road (not a good idea) while the cyclist would have to perfectly and consistently ride 5 inches off the curb. Please tell me that this is not what you are advocating.

Again, I am not a cyclist and I wouldn't cry if I never encountered them on a road, but they have their rights too.

[outlaw]

First of all, let me state that I am not a cyclist. I don't even own a bicycle, and I haven't been on one in 40 years. I also initially took offense at threads that had cyclists espousing the "own the lane" philosophy, since it appeared that their national organization was making up their own rules.

Then, I did some research. Under the law, they have the same rights and responsibilities when using the public roads, and are entitled to be there. I went as far as walking out to the center line of Morse and BV to measure the lanes. They are absolutely correct that there is not enough room for a car to pass a bicycle in the same lane with 3 feet of clearance. Interestingly, it's not the width of the SUV that's the problem, it is the projection of the side view mirrors.

The argument about licensing cycles is absurd. How about pedestrians? Should the need a license, a plate, and pay a fee to walk on a road? How about walking across the street to a neighbor's house---need a license for that. How about golf carts?

The second paragraph was even more inane. Who are any of us to tell another what activity they are allowed to enjoy, where to enjoy it, and what to wear? Maybe the cyclists should get to tell us what to wear on the golf course, or the pools, or in the squares??? Or do they just get to make fun of what you are wearing?

To paraphrase JFK---We all live in this small community, we all share the same roads, we all cherish our retirement, and we are all mortal.

End of rant

Please remember your post the next time you want to vent about the "90 yo going 20 mph in the BV left lane".

[golfing eagles]

Please remember your post the next time you want to vent about the "90 yo going 20 mph in the BV left lane".

Apples and oranges. Not many cyclists are capable of sustaining 35 mph. The car comes equipped with a gas pedal, and those that have trouble using it do not need to be in the left lane. The cyclists who choose to use those roads are doing it to the best of their ability and limitations of their equipment. Drivers who crawl , especially in the left lane, are creating an unnecessary road hazard. And by the way, my "slow speed in left lane" posts are directed mostly at interstates. Locally I usually don't get up to 35 either.

[biker1]

There is much confusion on this issue as many people believe the term refers to some aspect of road quality. The term "sub-standard width", as far as I can tell, only exists in the Florida statute and refers to a road that is too narrow for a car and bike to coexist. From the FL statute:

For the purposes of this subsection, a �substandard-width lane� is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.



The criteria, under the law, is not whether or not the road is "standard width", it is whether there is enough room for a motor vehicle to pass the bicycle in the same lane with 3 feet of margin.

The lanes on Morse, at least where it runs past Sarasota practice range, are 10 feet 9 inches. My SUV (not a compact car but also not a landscaper hauling a trailer) is 7 foot 4 inches from the tips of mirrors. Giving 3 feet of safety, this means I would have to perfectly, consistently drive with the tip of my driver's side mirror over the center line of the road (not a good idea) while the cyclist would have to perfectly and consistently ride 5 inches off the curb. Please tell me that this is not what you are advocating.

Again, I am not a cyclist and I wouldn't cry if I never encountered them on a road, but they have their rights too.

[biker1]

That's funny ;-) Anyone who can sustain 35 mph would have a good shot at winning a Tour de France time trial, which last about 15 minutes or so. Yes, there are not too many people around here who can do that (without wind or elevation assist).

Apples and oranges. Not many cyclists are capable of sustaining 35 mph. The car comes equipped with a gas pedal, and those that have trouble using it do not need to be in the left lane. The cyclists who choose to use those roads are doing it to the best of their ability and limitations of their equipment. Drivers who crawl , especially in the left lane, are creating an unnecessary road hazard. And by the way, my "slow speed in left lane" posts are directed mostly at interstates. Locally I usually don't get up to 35 either.

[Polar Bear]

...From the FL statute:

For the purposes of this subsection, a “substandard-width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.


Biker1 is right. The term "sub-standard" is used frequently and rather casually regarding streets and roads in The Villages.

TV streets and roads are in some areas sub-standard ONLY in the context of automobile/bicycle considerations. They are NOT sub-standard in any other way with respect to Florida Department of Transportation road construction specifications...including those specifying lane width.

[golfing eagles]

Biker1 is right. The term "sub-standard" is used frequently and rather casually regarding streets and roads in The Villages.

TV streets and roads are in some areas sub-standard ONLY in the context of automobile/bicycle considerations. They are NOT sub-standard in any other way with respect to Florida Department of Transportation road construction specifications...including those specifying lane width.

:agree:

Oh, no, not again!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Polar Bear]

:agree:

Oh, no, not again!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
I may have to rethink my previous post. :1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

I may have to rethink my previous post. :1rotfl:

or me, mine:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Rapscallion St Croix]

If they have the same rights and responsibilities as cars why don't they pay for license plates? Why don't they have to have proof of insurance? Why don't they contribute to road tax fund?

If the roads are "sub-standard width" in the Villages, why don't you "Lance Armstrong Wanna Be"s throw your silly outfits on and ride your bike on a stand in your driveway? You would not have to worry about being squeezed into curbs and you don't have to worry about any SUV trying to kill you.

Hold on, Hoss. I am not a wanna be. I'll have you know that I have exactly the same number of Tour de France wins as Lance Armstrong,

[57ChevyFI]

Since this guy was TRYING to kill someone, does anyone know how many he's killed since this egregious event? Seems he should be up to a dozen by now, just wanted to know if it was safe to hit the streets again. :popcorn:

[golfing eagles]

Since this guy was TRYING to kill someone, does anyone know how many he's killed since this egregious event? Seems he should be up to a dozen by now, just wanted to know if it was safe to hit the streets again. :popcorn:

Maybe he'll just fail no matter how hard he tries. I've been "trying" to win the green jacket at Augusta since 1970 and I haven't got one yet:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[buzzy]

Hold on, Hoss. I am not a wanna be. I'll have you know that I have exactly the same number of Tour de France wins as Lance Armstrong,

Good one.

[dirtbanker]

The argument about licensing cycles is absurd. How about pedestrians? Should the need a license, a plate, and pay a fee to walk on a road? How about walking across the street to a neighbor's house---need a license for that. How about golf carts?

I believe Biker! stated that "Cyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as cars"...I asked why they did not have plates, insurance, and contributed to road tax fund. If you don't want them to have the same responsibilities (plates and insurance) as a car, take it up with him!


The second paragraph was even more inane. Who are any of us to tell another what activity they are allowed to enjoy, where to enjoy it, and what to wear? Maybe the cyclists should get to tell us what to wear on the golf course, or the pools, or in the squares??? Or do they just get to make fun of what you are wearing?

To paraphrase JFK---We all live in this small community, we all share the same roads, we all cherish our retirement, and we are all mortal.

End of rant

I asked why he did not ride his bike on a stand in his driveway if the roads are sub-standard width. There is a difference between asking and telling, is there not?

JFK earns about the same amount of respect from me as Bill Clinton does...

[golfing eagles]

I believe Biker! stated that "Cyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as cars"...I asked why they did not have plates, insurance, and contributed to road tax fund. If you don't want them to have the same responsibilities (plates and insurance) as a car, take it up with him!



I asked why he did not ride his bike on a stand in his driveway if the roads are sub-standard width. There is a difference between asking and telling, is there not?

JFK earns about the same amount of respect from me as Bill Clinton does...

Me too, but the quote seemed cool.

Do you think pedestrians have the same rights and responsibilities as a car when using the roads, or are you just singling out cyclists?

But asking why he doesn't ride on a stand in his driveway is like asking a golfer why he doesn't just hit balls into a net in his backyard

[Chazz]

Sorry that you had this terrifying experience, but glad it didn't result in injuries, or worse!

If you are concerned that you didn't receive the proper response from the law enforcement officer who you contacted, I would elevate the matter to Lt. Siemer and/or Sheriff Farmer. In addition, you may want to contact one or more of The Villages Bike clubs and share the video with them to get their views on the matter. I know that the Sumter Landing Bike Club takes these "near miss" type incidents very seriously. If they agree with your view they may assist you in determining what, if anything, can be done.

Stay safe...it's a jungle out there!

This SUV tried to run over one of our cyclist the other day. Going north on Buena Vista by the Savannah center round about, our group after stopping to let other cars clear, started north again. That is when this SUV came up from behind us in the left lane and crossed in front of our lane to turn right on El Camino Real just missing the lead rider by inches, and mean inches. Had he not turned his from wheel to the right just a little, he would have been hit. No telling what injuries might have occurred if the contact had happened. Fortunately, the last cyclist had a camera going and we were able to get the license number. We called the Sumter County police, and officer Wills, to report the incident. We were not looking to ticket the driver, but to let him/her know that crossing two lanes at a high rate of speed is jeopardizing the safety, and maybe the life of these cyclist. The officer refused to help even after giving him the license number. I wonder if the same officer would have shown any interest if this SUV had collided with the bicycle? I guess someone has to be injured before this officer would help with the situation. If you know this person, please notify them that what they did was totally wrong, and could have cost someone their life just to make the turn 5 seconds earlier. They never stopped, or even acknowledged any wrong doing. Even after giving the Sumter County officer the license number he refused to do anything telling me that Florida license plates has 6 numbers/letters not 5. I know that vanity plates in Florida can have less than 6. I am not sure why he chose not to pursue this problem, or at least make a call telling them they are now being watched and should be more considerate of cyclist. Here is a picture of the SUV. Please let me know if you know this person. License # SJE IT
Thanks for caring,

[dirtbanker]

Do you think pedestrians have the same rights and responsibilities as a car when using the roads, or are you just singling out cyclists?
No I don't. I feel they have more rights and less responsibilities. Pedestrians have the right of way and they do not have plates, insurance, nor contribute to the road tax fund. They also seldom walk in the lane of traffic (challenging fate) and they also do not seem to go out of their way to cause traffic issues and bring attention to themselves.


But asking why he doesn't ride on a stand in his driveway is like asking a golfer why he doesn't just hit balls into a net in his backyard
Well if you were whining to me about sub standard width golf courses, I would assume you are having difficulties keeping your ball on the fairway...you might benefit from hitting balls into a net in your backyard.

[dirtbanker]

Hold on, Hoss. I am not a wanna be. I'll have you know that I have exactly the same number of Tour de France wins as Lance Armstrong,

How much HGH did you have to take?