The Villages Refused Parcar to attend golf fest

[LittleDog]

I just received mail from Parcar that said they had been refused to attend the golf fest this year. They have been involved with this event for the past 10 years. Par car sent an ad to the Daily Sun on Jan. 26 and they were advised that the paper would not run the ad. On Feb 25 they submitted another paid ad to declare their objection to the first ad being rejected. On Feb 26 wanted to run a radio ad voicing their objection. The ad was denied. They also wanted to post an ad for their Freedomfest with no mention of the other ad problems. They were refused.

It seems to me, assuming all this info is correct, that the Villages do not want any competition to their Village Golf Cart enterprise. I don't know whether the other companies such as Star, EZ go, and the Streetrod company are also being treated like this. I wonder if they will be allowed to show at the Golf Fest. Talk about freedom of speech.

John

[Jima64]

Very interesting if they are indeed keeping the competition out.

[graciegirl]

I just received mail from Parcar that said they had been refused to attend the golf fest this year. They have been involved with this event for the past 10 years. Par car sent an ad to the Daily Sun on Jan. 26 and they were advised that the paper would not run the ad. On Feb 25 they submitted another paid ad to declare their objection to the first ad being rejected. On Feb 26 wanted to run a radio ad voicing their objection. The ad was denied. They also wanted to post an ad for their Freedomfest with no mention of the other ad problems. They were refused.

It seems to me, assuming all this info is correct, that the Villages do not want any competition to their Village Golf Cart enterprise. I don't know whether the other companies such as Star, EZ go, and the Streetrod company are also being treated like this. I wonder if they will be allowed to show at the Golf Fest. Talk about freedom of speech.

John



Someone could call Golffest organizer and get to the bottom of it. And call Daily Sun. They put in ads from other local developers. Some information seems to be missing. Here's the number to the Golffest...;

The Villages Golf Festival (http://golfthevillages.com/golf-festival/index.html)

[Bay Kid]

Not fair.

[redwitch]

Not sure where freedom of speech fits in. Newspapers, radio stations, media in general are free to refuse advertising for whatever reason. Private events are free to pick and choose who can attend their events. Advertisers are free to send out flyers, etc. to protest this refusal, which is exactly what happened here.

It will be interesting to see if other dealers are also banned from the Golffest. If they are, then OP's theory that it is the developer's way of promoting The Villages Golf Cart only. Is correct. If not, then there are probably other issues of which we are not aware.

[graciegirl]

Not sure where freedom of speech fits in. Newspapers, radio stations, media in general are free to refuse advertising for whatever reason. Private events are free to pick and choose who can attend their events. Advertisers are free to send out flyers, etc. to protest this refusal, which is exactly what happened here.

It will be interesting to see if other dealers are also banned from the Golffest. If they are, then OP's theory that it is the developer's way of promoting The Villages Golf Cart only. Is correct. If not, then there are probably other issues of which we are not aware.





WHERE have you been Red? Did someone pay the ransom? Missed you.

[twoplanekid]

At a club meeting, an event chairperson informed members that golf car club sponsors who were locate outside the bubble would not be allowed in the future to help fund club events held in the bubble. Hopefully, those merchants located inside the bubble will step up to help fill the funding void.

[photo1902]

Not fair.

Nothing to do with being fair or not. It's business. Would a Chevy dealer sponsoring an event let a Ford dealer come in with a display?

[LittleDog]

If you want Parcars information about this you can go to ParCar Freedom Fest (http://www.parcarfreedomfest.com) for more details.

I will be curious to see whether other golf cart dealers will show at golffest

Add .com to above address.

John

[outlaw]

Not surprising at all. Sounds like typical developer's business tactics to me. All Parcar has to do is agree to pay the vig.

[photo1902]

If you want Parcars information about this you can go to ParCar Freedom Fest (http://www.parcarfreedomfest.com) for more details.

I will be curious to see whether other golf cart dealers will show at golffest

John

John. Are you referring to the event here in The Villages as Golffest? If so, its The Villages Golf Festival. Golf Fest is held in Tampa.

[looneycat]

there is nothing wrong here, you foot the bill you get to choose participants. you would have to be stupid to invite the competition to sell at your event.

[twoplanekid]

As the new requirements to attend the Village charter schools have become more tied in with businesses doing business with the developer, so has the restrictions on Villages clubs to work with only businesses tied to the developer. With the growth of the number of business inside the bubble, I suppose this change to policy is inevitable. Time will tell if those businesses inside the bubble with be as generous as those on the outside have been in helping Villages clubs gather funds for various worthwhile projects.

[Retiring]

there is nothing wrong here, you foot the bill you get to choose participants. you would have to be stupid to invite the competition to sell at your event.

That�s exactly right. Has nothing to do with �fair,� it�s business.

[Gerald]

why all the fuss for another business, it is not as if any one in or around the villages is selling their stuff at less profit. I find all of then, way over priced and if the villages who owns the area has rules to make it better for them who cares. They want to keep their area the way they want it. TO MAKE MORE MONEY! We don't have to buy anything, If you don't like it. We can all simply go out of the village to get ripped of just as easily. Unless you are willing to travel quite a distance away.

[graciegirl]

]As the new requirements to attend the Village charter schools have become more tied in with businesses doing business with the developer,[/COLOR] so has the restrictions on Villages clubs to work with only businesses tied to the developer. With the growth of the number of business inside the bubble, I suppose this change to policy is inevitable. Time will tell if those businesses inside the bubble with be as generous as those on the outside have been in helping Villages clubs gather funds for various worthwhile projects.



SIR. THE Villages Charter Schools were built and planned to be for the children of people who worked for The Villages. No new anything. No change. That is why they are here. They are workplace charter schools and good ones too. Many caring and conscientious parents find work here for that very reason. It is a win-win situation.

https://www.redefinedonline.org/2015/05/workplace-charter-schools-remain-rare-in-florida/


Please take up golf.

[tuccillo]

I believe there was a change in Charter School eligibility within the last year. Something along the lines that the business had to have a physical presence within The Villages. I figured they needed to cull the herd a bit. Their school, their rules.

SIR. THE Villages Charter Schools were built and planned to be for the children of people who worked for The Villages. No new anything. No change. That is why they are here. They are workplace charter schools and good ones too. Many caring and conscientious parents find work here for that very reason. It is a win-win situation.


Please take up golf.

[twoplanekid]

I believe there was a change in Charter School eligibility within the last year. Something along the lines that the business had to have a physical presence within The Villages. I figured they needed to cull the herd a bit. Their school, their rules.

Yes! And I thank you for letting others know the facts.

[tuccillo]

My info came from a conversation with the woman that cuts my hair. She has a couple of kids in the Charter School. Her husband works for a major contractor to The Villages. She, by the way, has nothing but great things to say about the Charter School. They apparently offer after school daycare to 6PM for a song. It appears that it is an excellent school and a real perk for those that do business with The Villages.

Yes! And I thank you for letting others know the facts.

[twoplanekid]

My info came from a conversation with the woman that cuts my hair. She has a couple of kids in the Charter School. Her husband works for a major contractor to The Villages. She, by the way, has nothing but great things to say about the Charter School. They apparently offer after school daycare to 6PM for a song. It appears that it is an excellent school and a real perk for those that do business with The Villages.

The recent changes to the Charter School policy have been discussed in previous forum threads. Many seems to believe that The Villages Charter schools and several other local schools are very good schools. I have nothing against any schools in Florida as long as Ohio schools beat them in sports. :clap2:

And my point was to state that changes are being made to an existing policy that will now give businesses who are located within the dome more incentives and advantages.

[Bogie Shooter]

As the new requirements to attend the Village charter schools have become more tied in with businesses doing business with the developer, so has the restrictions on Villages clubs to work with only businesses tied to the developer. With the growth of the number of business inside the bubble, I suppose this change to policy is inevitable. Time will tell if those businesses inside the bubble with be as generous as those on the outside have been in helping Villages clubs gather funds for various worthwhile projects.

I believe there was a change in Charter School eligibility within the last year. Something along the lines that the business had to have a physical presence within The Villages. I figured they needed to cull the herd a bit. Their school, their rules.

Yes! And I thank you for letting others know the facts.

So, what's the point, charter schools do this all the time.

[graciegirl]

We have moved far afield from the original post that was saying Parcar (or a Parcar dealer) sent an email to the OP about The Villages GolfFestival.

There are a number of sponsors including Villages Golf Cart and a beer company.


Here is the link that I posted before.


The Villages Golf Festival (http://golfthevillages.com/golf-festival/index.html)

[twoplanekid]

The ParCar exclusion and the Charter School change could be attributed to �And my point was to state that changes are being made to an existing policy that will now give businesses that are located within the dome more incentives and advantages.� I am simply stating my observations to changes that are being made.

[Marathon Man]

More second hand stories.

[JoelJohnson]

My friend called it "The Golden Rule" : He who owns the gold, makes the rules.

[graciegirl]

My friend called it "The Golden Rule" : He who owns the gold, makes the rules.





That is what my husband says too. It is true, maybe not politically acceptable but just common sense. So I says to the kids, go out and make some money and be in charge of things. Run your own railroad, work hard, stay after, check and double check and you will soon be the boss, THEN you get more money...and more stress, and people can look down on you and tell you that you are greedy.


But Don't do anything illegal or immoral, because I am still your mother and I will hunt you down and whatever the law or even public opinion could do to you would pale in comparison. .

[mgcsooner]

So then to keep this to the original post topic then-- as far as ParCar being excluded from the event, is it just ParCar or all non Village business interests are excluded from the event?

It does seem ironic though, at least in this case the only golf cart manufactured and build in America--and it's being excluded--right here in The Villages!. I'm sorry, for that reason alone, I say I'd accept their sponsorship any day. Sorry!

[UpNorth]

Will I be able to park my ParCar at the event this weekend? :22yikes:

[billethkid]

I am sure all the shennigans like this are legal, however if one had the time and the money I think a good attorney could make something out of conflicts of interest in and by TV.

I know they own the paper but it just seems not right to DISCRIMINATE people willing to pay the price of advertizing.

[Diver]

For your information The Villages Golf Cars is not owned by the developer.

[Bogie Shooter]

For your information The Villages Golf Cars is not owned by the developer.

So, who is the owner?

[twoplanekid]

For your information The Villages Golf Cars is not owned by the developer.

From their web site -> � Holding Company of The Villages, Inc., 2016. All Rights Reserved. The Villages is a registered trademark of Holding Company of The Villages, Inc.

then looking up -> Holding Company of The Villages -> Holding Company of The Villages, Inc. in The Villages FL - Company Profile (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/The-Villages/holding-company-of-the-villages-inc-2932580.aspx)

Mark G. Morse - Director Jennifer Parr - Director

[Challenger]

I am sure all the shennigans like this are legal, however if one had the time and the money I think a good attorney could make something out of conflicts of interest in and by TV.

I know they own the paper but it just seems not right to DISCRIMINATE people willing to pay the price of advertizing.

Thank heavens , discrimination is not illegal in the US except in a few specific instances ie: sex, age religious preference etc. I don't think we want to begin to go down the path of further limiting the freedom of choice about how one runs his own business unless it brings harm on a class of people who need protection.

[twoplanekid]

Thank heavens , discrimination is not illegal in the US except in a few specific instances ie: sex, age religious preference etc. I don't think we want to begin to go down the path of further limiting the freedom of choice about how one runs his own business unless it brings harm on a class of people who need protection.

The question for me in the Villages is when private policy becomes public policy. When does a business overtly change the public policies of governmental agencies? It can become a sticky wicket. I am not sure this particular event falls in that category.

[ukbill70]

if it is true that vendor's from outside the Villages are not allowed to attend then the answer is simple. look at the inside vendor's displays but buy outside. They will soon get the message. I repeat If It's True.

[graciegirl]

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[raynitsche]

All this about a golf fest? Go or don't.

[Walter123]

I love my made in America Par Car.

[circletrack]

I believe there was a change in Charter School eligibility within the last year. Something along the lines that the business had to have a physical presence within The Villages. I figured they needed to cull the herd a bit. Their school, their rules.


They started to tighten the rules for entrance because the school was filling up, they don't want class sizes to become too large.

They've built several bigger and larger school buildings over the years as TV has grown, but they just can't keep building more and more. Especially when buildout of the community is inevitable.

Many jobs tied just to the construction will dry up, and they'd eventually be left with some oversized school buildings.

[circletrack]

Now back to the topic:

The former "Golfest" was sponsored and operated by GolfWeek Magazine. They have since stopped touring the country with these festivals, so The Villages decided to host their own starting last year as they have historically been very successful.

So TV decides who gets in.

And a newspaper has the right to refuse advertising to anyone they please. So it's not a legal matter. Just think if they were legally obligated to run ads for anyone with money. There would be some scary stuff in there.

Obviously ParCar is a reputable business, but as someone said earlier, if you owned a Chevy dealership, would you let the Ford shop down the street set up in your parking lot to sell?

[NYGUY]

Now back to the topic:

The former "Goldfest" was sponsored and operated by GolfWeek Magazine. They have since stopped touring the country with these festivals, so The Villages decided to host their own starting last year as they have historically been very successful.

So TV decides who gets in.

And a newspaper has the right to refuse advertising to anyone they please. So it's not a legal matter. Just think if they were legally obligated to run ads for anyone with money. There would be some scary stuff in there.

Obviously ParCar is a reputable business, but as someone said earlier, if you owned a Chevy dealership, would you let the Ford shop down the street set up in your parking lot to sell?

Makes sense to me!!

[twoplanekid]

Now back to the topic:

The former "Golfest" was sponsored and operated by GolfWeek Magazine. They have since stopped touring the country with these festivals, so The Villages decided to host their own starting last year as they have historically been very successful.

So TV decides who gets in.

And a newspaper has the right to refuse advertising to anyone they please. So it's not a legal matter. Just think if they were legally obligated to run ads for anyone with money. There would be some scary stuff in there.

Obviously ParCar is a reputable business, but as someone said earlier, if you owned a Chevy dealership, would you let the Ford shop down the street set up in your parking lot to sell?

So TV decides who gets in. If TV is referring to a business, then I have no issues. If TV is a governmental agency, then I might see issues. It is my understanding that all Village clubs who have fundraising events in the Villages are now required to follow new rules on who will be allowed to participate as a sponsor of their event.

It can be a sticky wicket. Who owns the land on which the event takes place? What is public and what is private land in the Villages. Things here are not as clear cut as in other parts of the US.

[Bogie Shooter]

So TV decides who gets in. If TV is referring to a business, then I have no issues. If TV is a governmental agency, then I might see issues. It is my understanding that all Village clubs who have fundraising events in the Villages are now required to follow new rules on who will be allowed to participate as a sponsor of their event.

It can be a sticky wicket. Who owns the land on which the event takes place? What is public and what is private land in the Villages. Things here are not as clear cut as in other parts of the US.

As was once said, "you ain't in Kansas anymore".

[biker1]

This is going off topic but you have brought it up a few times. Please explain what the new rules/restrictions are regarding sponsors of fund raising events for Village Clubs. Also, please be aware that there are two entities involved in The Villages; the Developer and the CDDs. The amenities such as rec centers, where many clubs hold their activities, are controlled by the CDDs once they are turned over by the Developer.


So TV decides who gets in. If TV is referring to a business, then I have no issues. If TV is a governmental agency, then I might see issues. It is my understanding that all Village clubs who have fundraising events in the Villages are now required to follow new rules on who will be allowed to participate as a sponsor of their event.

It can be a sticky wicket. Who owns the land on which the event takes place? What is public and what is private land in the Villages. Things here are not as clear cut as in other parts of the US.

[looneycat]

This is going off topic but you have brought it up a few times. Please explain what the new rules/restrictions are regarding sponsors of fund raising events for Village Clubs. Also, please be aware that there are two entities involved in The Villages; the Developer and the CDDs. The amenities such as rec centers, where many clubs hold their activities, are controlled by the CDDs once they are turned over by the Developer.

the only change identified is from twoplanes hearsay. I'd like to see it in writing to see how the restriction is worded. commenting before that is just whizzing in the wind.

[graciegirl]

the only change identified is from twoplanes hearsay. I'd like to see it in writing to see how the restriction is worded. commenting before that is just whizzing in the wind.





I would have spelled whizzing with a P.

[Bogie Shooter]

Now Gracie..............

[Walter123]

Par Car will be having a "Freedom Fest today and tomorrow. It's posted in the online newspaper. It's hilarious!!!!!! Good for them!!!!

[circletrack]

So TV decides who gets in. If TV is referring to a business, then I have no issues. If TV is a governmental agency, then I might see issues. It is my understanding that all Village clubs who have fundraising events in the Villages are now required to follow new rules on who will be allowed to participate as a sponsor of their event.

It can be a sticky wicket. Who owns the land on which the event takes place? What is public and what is private land in the Villages. Things here are not as clear cut as in other parts of the US.


TV as in The Villages business.

As far as the clubs go, I have no information on that. This is the first I'm hearing of this. How often do clubs have corporate sponsored events?

[graciegirl]

Par Car will be having a "Freedom Fest today and tomorrow. It's posted in the online newspaper. It's hilarious!!!!!! Good for them!!!!



I have witnessed all kinds of rivalry in business and the best way to handle a situation like this in the free market is to act like it didn't happen, doesn't bother you and continue on. It is like road rage, tooting your horn and flipping a finger doesn't help at all.

[kittygilchrist]

So TV decides who gets in. If TV is referring to a business, then I have no issues. If TV is a governmental agency, then I might see issues. It is my understanding that all Village clubs who have fundraising events in the Villages are now required to follow new rules on who will be allowed to participate as a sponsor of their event.

It can be a sticky wicket. Who owns the land on which the event takes place? What is public and what is private land in the Villages. Things here are not as clear cut as in other parts of the US.

Medicare truly is a sticky wicket. The Villages promotes United Health Care by way of a "basic medicare" LLCollege course taught by a UHC salesman.
The Villages receives royalties from United Health Care. The Villages health system refuses to serve those with original medicare. I refuse to be locked in to a monopoly of providers. IMO, There are better specialists than those attracted by the gold rush.

[Walter123]

I have witnessed all kinds of rivalry in business and the best way to handle a situation like this in the free market is to act like it didn't happen, doesn't bother you and continue on. It is like road rage, tooting your horn and flipping a finger doesn't help at all.

That's a load of you know what. I for one am glad that Par Car is standing up to big brother or big sister. Competition is what makes this country great.

[graciegirl]

That's a load of you know what. I for one am glad that Par Car is standing up to big brother or big sister. Competition is what makes this country great.



No one has mentioned the other GolfCart businesses that sell Yamaha and Clubcar nearby. They aren't making a ruckus.

[justjim]

No one has mentioned the other GolfCart businesses that sell Yamaha and Clubcar nearby. They aren't making a ruckus.

Very true. Club Car on 27/441 (Cart World) would have the most reason to "rumble and grumble" because up until recently they had a lock on Club Car but now the Village Carts and others are selling new Club Carts. It's all business---isn't this a great country or what? Bottom line, it's The Developer's show and he can run it anyway he pleases.

[Hacker1]

Ah, I knew there was a reason we decided to NOT attend The Villages Golf Festival this year!!

[circletrack]

So just to be clear:

Many people here, if they had a business, would openly invite their competition to an event they are hosting to sell against them?

It's worth repeating that this is no longer organized by GolfWeek magazine.

[tuccillo]

You probably missed the airplane circling around the Polo Fields towing a ParCar advertisement.

Ah, I knew there was a reason we decided to NOT attend The Villages Golf Festival this year!!

[graciegirl]

You probably missed the airplane circling around the Polo Fields towing a ParCar advertisement.



My point is that kinda stuff makes that company look desperate and dateless.

[justjim]

Ah, I knew there was a reason we decided to NOT attend The Villages Golf Festival this year!!

Been there but not this year as we have a conflict with the PGA Tournment over at Palm Harbor. There will be a BIG crowd at the polo field for the golf festival you can bet on it!

[Marathon Man]

Here's a question. How many folks got an email from Par Car as described in the original post?

[doran]

We have a 2014 Eagle ParCar--we just love it--would not consider gas
We are from California where gas carts are not sold due to emission.
Sometimes I wonder who makes the decisions here in the Villages--Not including a cart company that has the best carts in the market and participates in everything else, something is wrong.

Try tuning your radio in the car or at home to your favorite station and all you get is the villages station. We have srius XM-- why can't we get other stations?

Eddie and Susan Doran

[Bogie Shooter]

We have a 2014 Eagle ParCar--we just love it--would not consider gas
We are from California where gas carts are not sold due to emission.
Sometimes I wonder who makes the decisions here in the Villages--Not including a cart company that has the best carts in the market and participates in everything else, something is wrong.

Try tuning your radio in the car or at home to your favorite station and all you get is the villages station. We have srius XM-- why can't we get other stations?

Eddie and Susan Doran

My radio at home & in the car can be tuned to any station I want listen to.
Sirus works as well.
Maybe its your radio?

[bimmertl]

My point is that kinda stuff makes that company look desperate and dateless.

No doubt next year Morse will petition the FAA to restrict the air space above the polo grounds to stop all those "dateless" banners.

[graciegirl]

No doubt next year Morse will petition the FAA to restrict the air space above the polo grounds to stop all those "dateless" banners.



Horse Feathers Bimmertl. We all know how you feel about the family.


AND shenanigans like this don't bring paying buyers to you. Maybe a bunch of folks from Leesburg looking for lunch.

[dave harris]

Now back to the topic:

The former "Golfest" was sponsored and operated by GolfWeek Magazine. They have since stopped touring the country with these festivals, so The Villages decided to host their own starting last year as they have historically been very successful.

So TV decides who gets in.

And a newspaper has the right to refuse advertising to anyone they please. So it's not a legal matter. Just think if they were legally obligated to run ads for anyone with money. There would be some scary stuff in there.

Obviously ParCar is a reputable business, but as someone said earlier, if you owned a Chevy dealership, would you let the Ford shop down the street set up in your parking lot to sell?

In our county the Ford dealer is a sponsor in the local fair, all auto dealers are invited to show on the grounds.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Those of you that are upset that ParCar was not at golfest; were you going to buy one, just look at it, or just ****ed again at the "establishment" for doing it their way?

[memason]

I suspect there's a lot more to this story than any of us know. For now, we've only heard one side..Columbia Par-Car's side.

I would "guess" it's a contract dispute and Columbia didn't get the terms it was expecting or wanting. When someone goes to the lengths they are going to highlight their "dirty laundry", I have trouble feeling any sympathy...

Just my thoughts...

[circletrack]

In our county the Ford dealer is a sponsor in the local fair, all auto dealers are invited to show on the grounds.

Being a sponsor is a lot different than being the organizer of an event that helps sell items related to your business. Does that Ford dealer also own the fair grounds? No, the fair is not in the business of selling cars, and organizes the event and takes in as much sponsorship money as possible.

[JoMar]

I agree there is probably more to the story. There are several competing vendors at the event each year including add on's for carts that are available through the Villages Carts. Controlling our choices is ok since that appears to be what we want so the Developer has every opportunity to continue that course. Hopefully the discussion about ParCar will be good for their business.....maybe gets people talking about other products.

[Mulliganguy]

in my humble opinion any business that has helped for 10 years to support anything at all should at the very least be given an explanation as to why they are no longer invited to participate

[graciegirl]

in my humble opinion any business that has helped for 10 years to support anything at all should at the very least be given an explanation as to why they are no longer invited to participate



Up until THIS year it was Golfweeks, Golfest. There were many exactly like it put on by the same company several places in the country. NOW, this year for the first time, it is not Golfweek. It is the Golf Festival sponsored by OTHER people, people who are involved only with The Villages. The Villages Golfcart is one of them and they do NOT sell Parcar. Parcar is a competitor. So Parcar was not invited. This is an event sponsored, owned, run, put on by folks here. NOT from Golfweek. Golfweek isn't doing this event anymore.


Here is something I found on the internet when Golfweek was the one who was behind it. WHICH THEY ARE NOT NOW.


http://ads.golfweek.com/golfest/VillagesOps12.pdf

[Bogie Shooter]

Those of you that are upset that ParCar was not at golfest; were you going to buy one, just look at it, or just ****ed again at the "establishment" for doing it their way?

I think it is the latter..........some never miss a chance.

[Bogie Shooter]

in my humble opinion any business that has helped for 10 years to support anything at all should at the very least be given an explanation as to why they are no longer invited to participate

And how do you know that they were not given an explanation?

[brooksey649]

Parcar--Made in America. Yamaha, Club car, E-Z Go. Made overseas. What do you want to buy. I know what I bought. BUY AMERICAN

[Ray Roberts]

You are right. The Villages had better watch their propriety views. They are rapidly becoming their own worst enemy.

[Challenger]

So just to be clear:

Many people here, if they had a business, would openly invite their competition to an event they are hosting to sell against them?

It's worth repeating that this is no longer organized by GolfWeek magazine.

If Par Car wanted, to organize, and fund an event of any kind, I would support their right to exclude competitors or any others who wanted to participate, as long as the exclusion did not discriminate against a protected class. Competition is what makes the American system great.

[twoplanekid]

Who controls the current Golf Festival? I know it isn’t Golfweek. The current sponsors, such as The Villages Golfcart are listed on the web site. However, the site doesn’t name the organization or business that is responsible for putting on the present event. Who is in charge?

[CWGUY]

Who controls the current Golf Festival? I know it isn�t Golfweek. The current sponsors, such as The Villages Golfcart are listed on the web site. However, the site doesn�t name the organization or business that is responsible for putting on the present event. Who is in charge?

:D I know it's not the OP, You or ParCar

[Villages Kahuna]

This makes the most sense of all the responses so far, and I don't see anything wrong with it. The Villages owns a significant amount of commercial rental property both within and on the periphery of The Villages. What they seem to be saying with their rejection of Columbia ParCar as a sponsor/exhibitor at GolfFest is that their loyalties lie completely with the tenants in their commercial property. In that the Developer also owns the Polo Club, where the event is staged, they also have the right to pick and choose the exhibitors. All this seems to be simple economics, completely within the rights and consistent with TV business model, and has nothing whatsoever to do with freedom of speech.

[bimmertl]

Horse Feathers Bimmertl. We all know how you feel about the family.


AND shenanigans like this don't bring paying buyers to you. Maybe a bunch of folks from Leesburg looking for lunch.

Thanks for your insight. You have really clarified the entire issue with this single post. It's because of the Leesburg lunch bunch! ??????????

[pbkmaine]

ParCar had a plane fly their banner over the Golf Fest today!

[Martom]

ParCar was correct. The only company displaying this year was The Villages store. I'm advised they have tried for years to get a store inside the Villages.

[Packer Fan]

Parcar--Made in America. Yamaha, Club car, E-Z Go. Made overseas. What do you want to buy. I know what I bought. BUY AMERICAN

I agree, except Club Car and EZGO are both made in Georgia. Last I checked, that was in the USA

[Miles42]

Did not go. Do not like over crowded events. I make my own buying choices not what the Village touts LOL.

[tuccillo]

I believe Yamaha golf carts are made in Newnan, GA.

I agree, except Club Car and EZGO are both made in Georgia. Last I checked, that was in the USA

[Walter123]

Thanks for your insight. You have really clarified the entire issue with this single post. It's because of the Leesburg lunch bunch! ??????????

I think the Villagers free lunch bunch are more likely to show up.

[drcar]

This makes the most sense of all the responses so far, and I don't see anything wrong with it. The Villages owns a significant amount of commercial rental property both within and on the periphery of The Villages. What they seem to be saying with their rejection of Columbia ParCar as a sponsor/exhibitor at GolfFest is that their loyalties lie completely with the tenants in their commercial property. In that the Developer also owns the Polo Club, where the event is staged, they also have the right to pick and choose the exhibitors. All this seems to be simple economics, completely within the rights and consistent with TV business model, and has nothing whatsoever to do with freedom of speech.

VERY well said and to the point, the only problem is the anti family haters will understand the good points you make. Some people only see the glass, not the water in it!

[RickeyD]

Parcar--Made in America. Yamaha, Club car, E-Z Go. Made overseas. What do you want to buy. I know what I bought. BUY AMERICAN

I bought GM new in 1979. Within 50K miles but after 12K miles the following defects occurred...Master cylinder broke, Timing chain broke, left front spindle dropped, front brake pads wouldn't go past 8K miles, Transmission failed, Front tires wore out in 10K miles (grossly uneven treadwear), exhaust manifold cracked, ( this is all I can remember, I keep maintenance records just about forever and kept this one just to remind me of this Detroit built and designed disaster ) All out of warranty. Gratefully it was totaled when parked, took the insurance money and bought Toyota ( also Union built ) which went 250K with only routine maintenance required. My father fought the Japanese which caused me to have mixed feelings walking into a foreign dealership but common sense prevailed and I was forever a foreign buyer with no more regrets. :thumbup:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

At a club meeting, an event chairperson informed members that golf car club sponsors who were locate outside the bubble would not be allowed in the future to help fund club events held in the bubble. Hopefully, those merchants located inside the bubble will step up to help fill the funding void.

The only one located inside the bubble now is Villages Golf Carts which sells Yamaha and Club Car.
They only recently began selling Club Car. I thought it was strange because usually manufacturers have an agreement to protect the territory of their dealers by not allowing other dealers to open within certain distances. I suspect that The Villages Golf Carts may be working in partnership with the Club Car Dealer down on 27/441. Maybe this is the reason.

[len84pa]

I've always have had high regard for The Village management team and all they accomplish in making The Villages The Friendliest Home Town.

Their actions along with the actions of The Daily Sun in regards to the Par Car boycott made me ashamed to be a part of the Friendliest Home Town that does not support free enterprise.

PS I own a Village Golf Cart.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

For your information The Villages Golf Cars is not owned by the developer.

Maybe not, but it certainly appears that there is some sort of very close relationship.

[tuccillo]

I suspect a relatively low percentage of The Villages went to Golfest. I see plenty of Parcars around The Villages so they are apparently well known. Carts and Clubs in Ocala wasn't there and they are well known also. I really believe this is a non-issue.

I've always have had high regard for The Village management team and all they accomplish in making The Villages The Friendliest Home Town.

Their actions along with the actions of The Daily Sun in regards to the Par Car boycott made me ashamed to be a part of the Friendliest Home Town that does not support free enterprise.

PS I own a Village Golf Cart.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I've always have had high regard for The Village management team and all they accomplish in making The Villages The Friendliest Home Town.

Their actions along with the actions of The Daily Sun in regards to the Par Car boycott made me ashamed to be a part of the Friendliest Home Town that does not support free enterprise.

PS I own a Village Golf Cart.

I don't see anything wrong with limiting free enterprise to those businesses within your own community. If you lived in a city or town up north and they had some sort of event with local businesses it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to limit it to businesses within that city or town.

[memason]

Why didn't Columbia Par-Car invite the Villages Golf Car Store to display their carts at the cookout at their location on Saturday ?

[Challenger]

I've always have had high regard for The Village management team and all they accomplish in making The Villages The Friendliest Home Town.

Their actions along with the actions of The Daily Sun in regards to the Par Car boycott made me ashamed to be a part of the Friendliest Home Town that does not support free enterprise.

PS I own a Village Golf Cart.

"Tempest in a teapot"--- If you own the business, own the land and arrange the event, you get to choose the participants. That IS the American way.

[Walter123]

Why didn't Columbia Par-Car invite the Villages Golf Car Store to display their carts at the cookout at their location on Saturday ?

LOL, they did! Don't you remember ParCar flew a banner over the golf festival.....I think it was an electric plane too!

[Walter123]

"Tempest in a teapot"--- If you own the business, own the land and arrange the event, you get to choose the participants. That IS the American way.

It's obvious to the most casual observer that The Villages management knows that ParCar makes a superior product and they were afraid to lose the business.
But you're right, it's their playground and their ball.

[Ed Krik]

"Tempest in a teapot"--- If you own the business, own the land and arrange the event, you get to choose the participants. That IS the American way.

I agree. The owner of the ParCar dealership should be thanking the Morse family for building the Villages and creating an environment that allows a business person to come in and be successful. Instead they choose to act like a child and through a tantrum.

[ibistony]

The Villages shut out other businesses. Like I missed my Honey Baked Ham Sandwich. Only La Hacienda served food. The fest was not as great as in the past. Bring back the old organizers and vendors and then I will attend again.

[graciegirl]

The Villages shut out other businesses. Like I missed my Honey Baked Ham Sandwich. Only La Hacienda served food. The fest was not as great as in the past. Bring back the old organizers and vendors and then I will attend again.



Did you read that before ....up until THIS year, it was part of a NATIONAL sales event put on by Golfweek, the magazine. They stopped doing it so you can't bring it back. Now The Villages are doing their best to bring you a venue, probably not the same but they are trying. I am so sorry about your honey baked ham sandwich, but dang as a teacher I am gonna keep trying to explain what happened. The Morse family may be all as mean as Atilla the Hun, but this woman is a huge fan of free enterprise and gets annoyed when everybody has to be treated the same just because they are breathing. That does not mean I think you should be ugly to people, but even little kids know about competition. You don't give the other team advantage. Sheesh.

[Walter123]

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Did you read that before ....up until THIS year, it was part of a NATIONAL sales event put on by Golfweek, the magazine. They stopped doing it so you can't bring it back. Now The Villages are doing their best to bring you a venue, probably not the same but they are trying. I am so sorry about your honey baked ham sandwich, but dang as a teacher I am gonna keep trying to explain what happened. The Morse family may be all as mean as Atilla the Hun, but this woman is a huge fan of free enterprise and gets annoyed when everybody has to be treated the same just because they are breathing. That does not mean I think you should be ugly to people, but even little kids know about competition. You don't give the other team advantage. Sheesh.

There you go...straight from the horse's mouth!

[graciegirl]

There you go...straight from the horse's mouth!



Stop it. I am grumpy.

[Walter123]

Stop it. I am grumpy.

UH-OH. I hope your day gets better.

[Challenger]

Stop it. I am grumpy.

I love grumpy women!!!!!

[CWGUY]

Stop it. I am grumpy.


:ohdear: I thought you were Snow White!

[BobnBev]

I love grumpy women!!!!!

:a040:Is there any other kind?:a040::blahblahblah::MOJE_whot::boom:

[bimmertl]

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Did you read that before ....up until THIS year, it was part of a NATIONAL sales event put on by Golfweek, the magazine. They stopped doing it so you can't bring it back. Now The Villages are doing their best to bring you a venue, probably not the same but they are trying. I am so sorry about your honey baked ham sandwich, but dang as a teacher I am gonna keep trying to explain what happened. The Morse family may be all as mean as Atilla the Hun, but this woman is a huge fan of free enterprise and gets annoyed when everybody has to be treated the same just because they are breathing. That does not mean I think you should be ugly to people, but even little kids know about competition. You don't give the other team advantage. Sheesh.

Really, "a huge fan of free enterprise". Here's the definition of free enterprise.


Free Enterprise | Definition of Free enterprise by Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free%20enterprise)

a system in which private businesses are able to compete with each other with little control by the government. In The Villages, the developer is "the government" and he controls competition with his restrictions on who sells what where.

Whether it's right or wrong, that's what he can do, which is fine. But don't call it free enterprise because that's the last thing it is.

[Challenger]

Really, "a huge fan of free enterprise". Here's the definition of free enterprise.


Free Enterprise | Definition of Free enterprise by Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free%20enterprise)

a system in which private businesses are able to compete with each other with little control by the government. In The Villages, the developer is "the government" and he controls competition with his restrictions on who sells what where.

Whether it's right or wrong, that's what he can do, which is fine. But don't call it free enterprise because that's the last thing it is.

Free enterprise is exactly what it is! Anyone is free to not like it, but it is clearly the exercise of FREE enterprise. The Developer is an entrepreneur not a government.

[twoplanekid]

Free enterprise is exactly what it is! Anyone is free to not like it, but it is clearly the exercise of FREE enterprise. The Developer is an entrepreneur not a government.

Who is now in control of the current Villages Golf Fest? If a CDD is in control, then a government body is in control of the event.

[tuccillo]

Apparently the Polo fields are owned by the Developer.

Who is now in control of the current Villages Golf Fest? If a CDD is in control, then a government body is in control of the event.

[Marathon Man]

Who is now in control of the current Villages Golf Fest? If a CDD is in control, then a government body is in control of the event.

Will you be researching this and getting the answer?

[twoplanekid]

Will you be researching this and getting the answer?

The answer could possibly be found by asking this question at the next welcome Wednesday session as it is not to be found on the Golf Festival web site. As I don�t want the developer to exclude me, I will let someone else seek the answer. :icon_wink:

[kcrazorbackfan]

Why didn't Columbia Par-Car invite the Villages Golf Car Store to display their carts at the cookout at their location on Saturday ?

And :boom:.......

[twoplanekid]

I attended the welcome Wednesday event today. Where is everyone? I waited and waited for someone to pop the question.

As no one else did, I decided to talk about a safe topic, golf cart safety. It�s too bad they don�t tape the sessions. :)

[Challenger]

I attended the welcome Wednesday event today. Where is everyone? I waited and waited for someone to pop the question.

As no one else did, I decided to talk about a safe topic, golf cart safety. It�s too bad they don�t tape the sessions. :)

As someone once said "tempest in a teapot"

[drcar]

Who is now in control of the current Villages Golf Fest? If a CDD is in control, then a government body is in control of the event.

The event is run by GMS ( Golf Management Solutions), the company that runs the courses, hope that answers the question, but I am sure it will only open another debate

[JoMar]

Can only imagine the pressure put on GMS to close the event. I understand ParCar had a plane flying over the event with a banner.

[circletrack]

The event is run by GMS ( Golf Management Solutions), the company that runs the courses, hope that answers the question, but I am sure it will only open another debate

I believe that would make GMS a contractor for The Villages as they still own the land. GMS just operates the facilities. So they essentially hired them to run the Golf Festival, and whatever TV says, goes. Doesn't really change much.

[Survivor1991]

I just received mail from Parcar that said they had been refused to attend the golf fest this year. They have been involved with this event for the past 10 years. Par car sent an ad to the Daily Sun on Jan. 26 and they were advised that the paper would not run the ad. On Feb 25 they submitted another paid ad to declare their objection to the first ad being rejected. On Feb 26 wanted to run a radio ad voicing their objection. The ad was denied. They also wanted to post an ad for their Freedomfest with no mention of the other ad problems. They were refused.

It seems to me, assuming all this info is correct, that the Villages do not want any competition to their Village Golf Cart enterprise. I don't know whether the other companies such as Star, EZ go, and the Streetrod company are also being treated like this. I wonder if they will be allowed to show at the Golf Fest. Talk about freedom of speech.

John
This is done by the Villages to protect their tenants. If the Par Car People were renting property's from the Villages, They would be welcomed. Yes it is restraint of trade. But you know how the Morse family operates if you've been a resident for more than a few months.

[mrf6969]

Yamaha, Club Car and EZGO were all at Golf Fest. Also different seat companies were there and well as different golf cart enclosure companies too.
I did not see any complaining from other golf cart companies. Tomberlin, Allumicar, Star Car and others were not there but only Par Car seems to be having an issue.

[CWGUY]

The answer could possibly be found by asking this question at the next welcome Wednesday session as it is not to be found on the Golf Festival web site. As I don�t want the developer to exclude me, I will let someone else seek the answer. :icon_wink:

I attended the welcome Wednesday event today. Where is everyone? I waited and waited for someone to pop the question.

As no one else did, I decided to talk about a safe topic, golf cart safety. It�s too bad they don�t tape the sessions. :)


:ohdear: You made the snowball....and could not get anyone to throw it. That's a real shame. :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[graciegirl]

Yamaha, Club Car and EZGO were all at Golf Fest. Also different seat companies were there and well as different golf cart enclosure companies too.
I did not see any complaining from other golf cart companies. Tomberlin, Allumicar, Star Car and others were not there but only Par Car seems to be having an issue.



I so agree. I admire those others who didn't have a hissy fit and bring negative attention to themselves. They didn't hurt their own images for sure. They will go on to conduct their business unharmed.

[twoplanekid]

:ohdear: You made the snowball....and could not get anyone to throw it. That's a real shame. :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:


Just kidding! In reality, the welcome Wednesday meeting is the place to ask questions. Everyone is very welcoming and is in the know.

[karostay]

Not fair.

It's their sand box

[Bay Kid]

It's their sand box

I guess you are right.