Voter Fraud at Mulberry Grove Early Voting

[Guest]

One of my Canadian friends was outside the Mulberry Grove Rec Center when a Trump supporter asked him if he was there to vote. Below is the content of his email to me.

You may know that there is an "Early Voting" centre at the Mulberry Grove Rec. Centre. When I was going into the gym, I was accosted by some Trump supporters who asked me if I was going in to vote. When I said " I am Canadian and can't vote because I am not a citizen", the guy asked," Do you have a Villages ID that shows you own a house in TV? When I said "Yes", he said that's all I need - photo Villages ID and my signature seem to all I need to vote. That can't be right.

I told him the ID might be a valid ID for voting he would NOT be able to vote in Florida because he was not registered to vote.

My question is why are Trump supporters asking people to commit voter fraud. I thought Republicans on top of this voter fraud issue.

Any thoughts?

[Guest]

One of my Canadian friends was outside the Mulberry Grove Rec Center when a Trump supporter asked him if he was there to vote. Below is the content of his email to me.

You may know that there is an "Early Voting" centre at the Mulberry Grove Rec. Centre. When I was going into the gym, I was accosted by some Trump supporters who asked me if I was going in to vote. When I said " I am Canadian and can't vote because I am not a citizen", the guy asked," Do you have a Villages ID that shows you own a house in TV? When I said "Yes", he said that's all I need - photo Villages ID and my signature seem to all I need to vote. That can't be right.

I told him the ID might be a valid ID for voting he would NOT be able to vote in Florida because he was not registered to vote.

My question is why are Trump supporters asking people to commit voter fraud. I thought Republicans on top of this voter fraud issue.

Any thoughts?

How did they know it was a Trump supporter?

[Guest]

:ohdear: Instead of "Voter Fraud at Mulberry" the heading should be "BS at TOTV"

[Guest]

As I recollect voter proof included drivers license or a current passport.

Voter fraud is prevalent around the country and we must hope someday that Congress takes this on as a serious issue.

Nice try OP bet you were up all night thinking about that one

[Guest]

You mean you need a valid photo ID to vote in Florida??? I thought the Dems blocked this because it is "racist". Or was it "sexist"??. Maybe it's "homophobic" or "Islamophobic". Well, something PC anyway.
By the way, good luck getting into the Dem National Convention without photo ID.

[Guest]

One of my Canadian friends was outside the Mulberry Grove Rec Center when a Trump supporter asked him if he was there to vote. Below is the content of his email to me.

You may know that there is an "Early Voting" centre at the Mulberry Grove Rec. Centre. When I was going into the gym, I was accosted by some Trump supporters who asked me if I was going in to vote. When I said " I am Canadian and can't vote because I am not a citizen", the guy asked," Do you have a Villages ID that shows you own a house in TV? When I said "Yes", he said that's all I need - photo Villages ID and my signature seem to all I need to vote. That can't be right.

I told him the ID might be a valid ID for voting he would NOT be able to vote in Florida because he was not registered to vote.

My question is why are Trump supporters asking people to commit voter fraud. I thought Republicans on top of this voter fraud issue.

Any thoughts?

Troll alert

[Guest]

:ohdear: Instead of "Voter Fraud at Mulberry" the heading should be "BS at TOTV"

Are you calling me a liar?

[Guest]

How did they know it was a Trump supporter?

I did not ask him that but now I will......

[Guest]

One of my Canadian friends was outside the Mulberry Grove Rec Center when a Trump supporter asked him if he was there to vote. Below is the content of his email to me.

You may know that there is an "Early Voting" centre at the Mulberry Grove Rec. Centre. When I was going into the gym, I was accosted by some Trump supporters who asked me if I was going in to vote. When I said " I am Canadian and can't vote because I am not a citizen", the guy asked," Do you have a Villages ID that shows you own a house in TV? When I said "Yes", he said that's all I need - photo Villages ID and my signature seem to all I need to vote. That can't be right.

I told him the ID might be a valid ID for voting he would NOT be able to vote in Florida because he was not registered to vote.

My question is why are Trump supporters asking people to commit voter fraud. I thought Republicans on top of this voter fraud issue.

Any thoughts?

You can tell who supports whom at the voting places by the signs they carry. And this looks like some idiot with a sign giving his opinion on something. There is no connection to Trump other than what idiot who supports him believes.

[Guest]

One of my Canadian friends was outside the Mulberry Grove Rec Center when a Trump supporter asked him if he was there to vote. Below is the content of his email to me.

You may know that there is an "Early Voting" centre at the Mulberry Grove Rec. Centre. When I was going into the gym, I was accosted by some Trump supporters who asked me if I was going in to vote. When I said " I am Canadian and can't vote because I am not a citizen", the guy asked," Do you have a Villages ID that shows you own a house in TV? When I said "Yes", he said that's all I need - photo Villages ID and my signature seem to all I need to vote. That can't be right.

I told him the ID might be a valid ID for voting he would NOT be able to vote in Florida because he was not registered to vote.

My question is why are Trump supporters asking people to commit voter fraud. I thought Republicans on top of this voter fraud issue.

Any thoughts?

A similar thing happened to me, but it was a Clinton supporter.:D

[Guest]

A similar thing happened to me, but it was a Clinton supporter.:D

Are you sure about that???? Usually they're too busy signing up dead people and voting 7 times.

[Guest]

One of my Canadian friends was outside the Mulberry Grove Rec Center when a Trump supporter asked him if he was there to vote. Below is the content of his email to me.

You may know that there is an "Early Voting" centre at the Mulberry Grove Rec. Centre. When I was going into the gym, I was accosted by some Trump supporters who asked me if I was going in to vote. When I said " I am Canadian and can't vote because I am not a citizen", the guy asked," Do you have a Villages ID that shows you own a house in TV? When I said "Yes", he said that's all I need - photo Villages ID and my signature seem to all I need to vote. That can't be right.

I told him the ID might be a valid ID for voting he would NOT be able to vote in Florida because he was not registered to vote.

My question is why are Trump supporters asking people to commit voter fraud. I thought Republicans on top of this voter fraud issue.

Any thoughts?
I don't see where anyone was asked to to commit voter fraud. Do You?

[Guest]

How did they know it was a Trump supporter?

I contacted my Canadian friend....he knew they were Trump supporters because they were wearing the red Make America Great Again hats and holding Trump signs.

Also they opened the doors for people to go in.

[Guest]

I don't see where anyone was asked to to commit voter fraud. Do You?

When my friend told them he was a Canadian citizen they replied:

When I said " I am Canadian and can't vote because I am not a citizen", the guy asked," Do you have a Villages ID that shows you own a house in TV? When I said "Yes", he said that's all I need - photo Villages ID and my signature seem to all I need to vote.

[Guest]

Are you sure about that???? Usually they're too busy signing up dead people and voting 7 times.

Got any evidence of someone voting 7 times for Clinton?

Waiting for a link!

[Guest]

Got any evidence of someone voting 7 times for Clinton?

Waiting for a link!

Sheeeez. Get real. He was joking!!!

[Guest]

Got any evidence of someone voting 7 times for Clinton?

Waiting for a link!

No, but I can find a link to the woman in Cleveland that voted 7 times for Obama. I think she even worked at the polls. No reason to believe the Dems won't pull this crap again---they got away with it 1960 Cook County with voting machines from Republican districts floating down the Chicago river. They got away with ACORN signing up dead people. Do you really think they will abandon a winning tactic over something so trivial in their minds as the law?

[Guest]

As I recollect voter proof included drivers license or a current passport.

Voter fraud is prevalent around the country and we must hope someday that Congress takes this on as a serious issue.

Nice try OP bet you were up all night thinking about that one

Actually you would be wrong on several levels....

In Florida in order to vote these are the requirements:

To be able to register to vote in Florida, you must:

[COLOR="Red"]Be a U.S. citizen.
Be a Florida resident.
Be at least 18 years old (you can pre-register to vote at 16 years old, but you'll need to wait until you're 18 years old to vote).
Have never been convicted of a felony (unless your civil rights have been restored).
Have never been legally judged ineligible to vote, for either mental incapacitation or crime.[/COLOR

And I didn't make this up!

[Guest]

Are you sure he wasn't saying entry to the rec center required an ID? When I read what you put in quotes (which I assume is what was actually said), I don't see any indication of attempted voter fraud. Seems to me like someone may be taking the whole thing out of context to insinuate a scandal.

[Guest]

No, but I can find a link to the woman in Cleveland that voted 7 times for Obama. I think she even worked at the polls. No reason to believe the Dems won't pull this crap again---they got away with it 1960 Cook County with voting machines from Republican districts floating down the Chicago river. They got away with ACORN signing up dead people. Do you really think they will abandon a winning tactic over something so trivial in their minds as the law?

Ohio Poll Worker Convicted On Multiple Counts Of Obama-Biased Voter Fraud « CBS Cleveland (http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/05/31/ohio-poll-worker-convicted-on-multiple-counts-of-obama-biased-voter-fraud/)

[Guest]

You mean you need a valid photo ID to vote in Florida??? I thought the Dems blocked this because it is "racist". Or was it "sexist"??. Maybe it's "homophobic" or "Islamophobic". Well, something PC anyway.
By the way, good luck getting into the Dem National Convention without photo ID.

Now you are just being silly and totally uninformed!

The Dems can't block these laws because they are enacted in Republican controlled states like Alabama who once the Voting Rights law was gutted 5-4 by the Supreme Court they passed a Voter ID law and then promptly closed nearly all of the DMV offices in the state making it impossible to get a driver license or resident ID.

That's the Republican way of doing things.

[Guest]

Are you calling me a liar?

:shocked: I was calling you a B S'er not a liar .... but if the shoe fixes. :ohdear:

[Guest]

Now you are just being silly and totally uninformed!

The Dems can't block these laws because they are enacted in Republican controlled states like Alabama who once the Voting Rights law was gutted 5-4 by the Supreme Court they passed a Voter ID law and then promptly closed nearly all of the DMV offices in the state making it impossible to get a driver license or resident ID.

That's the Republican way of doing things.

As if liberals ever worried about the law. I'm sure if you ask the Clintons, they will instruct you in the finer aspects of violating any regulations. We don't need no sinkin' laws. Only when it suits them.

[Guest]

Got any evidence of someone voting 7 times for Clinton?

Waiting for a link!

Do you have a link for the guy that was Canadian and asked to vote illegally?

[Guest]

Are you calling me a liar?

Yes.

[Guest]

I did not ask him that but now I will......

Give me his contact information and I WILL ASK HIM. Not that I don't trust you, but ............I don't.

[Guest]

No, but I can find a link to the woman in Cleveland that voted 7 times for Obama. I think she even worked at the polls. No reason to believe the Dems won't pull this crap again---they got away with it 1960 Cook County with voting machines from Republican districts floating down the Chicago river. They got away with ACORN signing up dead people. Do you really think they will abandon a winning tactic over something so trivial in their minds as the law?

Again with the ACORN thing! ACORN didn't register dead people....they paid people to collect signatures so they collected as many signatures as they could to pad their wallets. None of these made it to registration.

ACORN paid the price but please be accurate with your information.

[Guest]

:shocked: I was calling you a B S'er not a liar .... but if the shoe fixes. :ohdear:

That's OK, because I will call him a liar. If he doesn't have a link for it (as the libtard says) it ain't true.

[Guest]

Give me his contact information and I WILL ASK HIM. Not that I don't trust you, but ............I don't.

Why would I then trust you with this information?

It really doesn't matter to me if you believe me....

[Guest]

That's OK, because I will call him a liar. If he doesn't have a link for it (as the libtard says) it ain't true.

And now you have to be nasty......

[Guest]

Again with the ACORN thing! ACORN didn't register dead people....they paid people to collect signatures so they collected as many signatures as they could to pad their wallets. None of these made it to registration.

ACORN paid the price but please be accurate with your information.

Really????

Nevada Judge Calls ACORN 'Reprehensible,' Slaps Group With Maximum Fine for Voter Fraud | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/10/judge-gives-maximum-and-fines-acorn-5000-for-illegal-voter-registration-scheme.html)

And don't state this was from Fox news---it was a JUDGE that imposed the fine

[Guest]

A little off topic, but this is the most recent post in the chit-chat lounge:

"how do you post a classified. I find nowhere to do it "

Answer is easy---just ask to borrow Hilary's private e-mail server:a20:

[Guest]

Why would I then trust you with this information?

It really doesn't matter to me if you believe me....

I don't. Anyone that would vote for Hillary the liar, can't be trusted.

[Guest]

IF this really did happen, the Trump supporter did not know that just having a Villages ID resident card does not automatically put you on the voter registration list.

If the Canadian went in, showed their Villages ID, the poll worker would have looked for their name on the voter registration list, not found it, and the Canadian would be told they could not vote - end of story.

Of course, the Candian would have known he could not vote since he was a Canadian citizen and would not have tried. All of our Canadian friends are very honest people!

[Guest]

IF this really did happen, the Trump supporter did not know that just having a Villages ID resident card does not automatically put you on the voter registration list.

If the Canadian went in, showed their Villages ID, the poll worker would have looked for their name on the voter registration list, not found it, and the Canadian would be told they could not vote - end of story.

Of course, the Candian would have known he could not vote since he was a Canadian citizen and would not have tried. All of our Canadian friends are very honest people!

Well, 99.9%. Then there's the Canadian IT firm that set up the Obamacare servers.

[Guest]

Really????

Nevada Judge Calls ACORN 'Reprehensible,' Slaps Group With Maximum Fine for Voter Fraud | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/10/judge-gives-maximum-and-fines-acorn-5000-for-illegal-voter-registration-scheme.html)

And don't state this was from Fox news---it was a JUDGE that imposed the fine

But I don't trust FOX News......much like you don't trust the main stream media.

[Guest]

Well, 99.9%. Then there's the Canadian IT firm that set up the Obamacare servers.

And what does this have to do with this tread?

[Guest]

Really????

Nevada Judge Calls ACORN 'Reprehensible,' Slaps Group With Maximum Fine for Voter Fraud | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/10/judge-gives-maximum-and-fines-acorn-5000-for-illegal-voter-registration-scheme.html)

And don't state this was from Fox news---it was a JUDGE that imposed the fine

I followed the link:

In Nevada, ACORN pleaded guilty to one felony count of unlawful compensation for registration of voters, stemming from an illegal voter registration scheme in its Las Vegas office during in the 2008 race.

"This is not a voter registration fraud case, it is an improper compensation case," countered Lisa Rasmussen, the ACORN attorney, who argued that the fine should only be $1,000.

As I said in my post this case was about paying people to register.

[Guest]

IF this really did happen, the Trump supporter did not know that just having a Villages ID resident card does not automatically put you on the voter registration list.

If the Canadian went in, showed their Villages ID, the poll worker would have looked for their name on the voter registration list, not found it, and the Canadian would be told they could not vote - end of story.

Of course, the Candian would have known he could not vote since he was a Canadian citizen and would not have tried. All of our Canadian friends are very honest people!

I would agree!!!!!

[Guest]

I followed the link:

In Nevada, ACORN pleaded guilty to one felony count of unlawful compensation for registration of voters, stemming from an illegal voter registration scheme in its Las Vegas office during in the 2008 race.

"This is not a voter registration fraud case, it is an improper compensation case," countered Lisa Rasmussen, the ACORN attorney, who argued that the fine should only be $1,000.

As I said in my post this case was about paying people to register.

What did you think she would say, "We're guilty"????
I fully understand what happens when you pay people by the number of names they collect. And you may be right that none of these names ended up on the voter registration roles. But then again, are we sure????

[Guest]

Our pet Troll has had his little bit of attention. This is a bait post, not to be taken seriously. Time to move on. Everyone knows that liberals don't care about voter fraud, so that should have been a sign at the onset.

[Guest]

Our pet Troll has had his little bit of attention. This is a bait post, not to be taken seriously. Time to move on. Everyone knows that liberals don't care about voter fraud, so that should have been a sign at the onset.

And the right wing doesn't care about the nonexistent voter fraud problem but they do care about suppressing voter turnout.

[Guest]

Our pet Troll has had his little bit of attention. This is a bait post, not to be taken seriously. Time to move on. Everyone knows that liberals don't care about voter fraud, so that should have been a sign at the onset.

Pet Troll seriously, I haven't posted here in nearly a month! So you must be talking about someone.

[Guest]

And the right wing doesn't care about the nonexistent voter fraud problem but they do care about suppressing voter turnout.

In what manner would the "right wing" suppress voter turnout? Or, do you mean they want to suppress ILLEGAL voter turnout? That's probably what you meant, right troll?

[Guest]

In what manner would the "right wing" suppress voter turnout? Or, do you mean they want to suppress ILLEGAL voter turnout? That's probably what you meant, right troll?

Name calling is for children...... So child go to your room!

[Guest]

Only a Troll would make up a fictitious thread to get attention. And then, when no one responds, he replies to himself....more than once. Then deny having been on here before and expect everyone to believe that. I may be old, but I know a troll when it sounds off from his mother's basement.

[Guest]

I'm leaving to go vote down at Laurel Manor. I'll let you all know if I run into any confused Canadians. I haven't met one yet, so I'll certainly look around. I will probably only run into a bunch of Republican voters, because Democrats have not been turning out this year to vote. Can't really blame them. All they have to choose from is a criminal and a commie. The two "C's." My wife voted earlier today and said there was a line.

[Guest]

I will accept that the Trump supporter ignorantly informed the Canadian of the possibility that he could vote with just a Villages ID and a signature. And as some Guest earlier pointed out, even an attempt to vote would not have succeeded. However the rest of the story does contain a very clear violation of Florida law.
It is a violation to solicit within 100 feet of the doorway to a polling location. There should have been signs placed indicating the boundary beyond which solicitation would be legal. If, as alleged, a Trump supporter was manning the door while soliciting votes, that is illegal. Certainly a person can help with the door but not with the purpose of representing the campaign or attempting to influence voters.
No person, political committee, or other group or organization may solicit voters inside the polling place or within 100 feet of the entrance to any polling place, a polling room where the polling place is also a polling room, an early voting site, or an office of the supervisor of elections where absentee ballots are requested and printed on demand for the convenience of electors who appear in person to request them. Before the opening of the polling place or early voting site, the clerk or supervisor shall designate the no-solicitation zone and mark the boundaries.

[Guest]

Also a bit off topic and also from the chit-chat lounge:

"Has anyone else seen a black panther??? Omg seen one sitting on my villa wall!! Green eyes big black tail!!! I know the difference from a cat and this"

Last time I saw one was 2008 outside a polling place intimidating little old ladies.

[Guest]

Also a bit off topic and also from the chit-chat lounge:

"Has anyone else seen a black panther??? Omg seen one sitting on my villa wall!! Green eyes big black tail!!! I know the difference from a cat and this"

Last time I saw one was 2008 outside a polling place intimidating little old ladies.

I thought it was 2 or maybe 3 of them.....

[Guest]

Only a Troll would make up a fictitious thread to get attention. And then, when no one responds, he replies to himself....more than once. Then deny having been on here before and expect everyone to believe that. I may be old, but I know a troll when it sounds off from his mother's basement.

What happened did happen you can't handle the truth. You are so far off base you even got the sex of the "troll" wrong.

My mother died many years ago and I moved out of her house long before that. I now have 2 mortgage free homes because everyone needs a summer home to escape the heat here.

[Guest]

What happened did happen you can't handle the truth. You are so far off base you even got the sex of the "troll" wrong.

My mother died many years ago and I moved out of her house long before that. I now have 2 mortgage free homes because everyone needs a summer home to escape the heat here.

Yes, of course. And yet, you didn't know that you have to be registered to vote and that a Canadian wouldn't even be on the registry.

SO, I just returned from early voting and I have a short story to tell you. This is a True one though. When I was leaving, a couple of campaigners in the parking lot were joking around with me, because I had my military cap on :super:. They asked me if I voted twice. And yes, they were laughing. They enjoyed my response that "Of course not, I am not a Democrat." They laughed. So, I doubt they were serious about voting twice. A sense of humor is something that seems in short supply when it comes to liberals.

[Guest]

What happened did happen you can't handle the truth. You are so far off base you even got the sex of the "troll" wrong.

My mother died many years ago and I moved out of her house long before that. I now have 2 mortgage free homes because everyone needs a summer home to escape the heat here.

Don't know about you, but I moved down here FOR the heat.

[Guest]

The perpetrators were a total of one event.

Wow! They musta got scared off with the attention.

[Guest]

I went to vote as well today but whoever advised the Canadian he could vote with just his Villages ID was totally wrong.

You have to have a signature id as well which they compare to your signature on file.

[Guest]

I went to vote as well today but whoever advised the Canadian he could vote with just his Villages ID was totally wrong.

You have to have a signature id as well which they compare to your signature on file.

Negatory. The poll worker has you sign on the machine in order to see if it matches the one on your ID. Your signature is not on file anywhere for comparison.

:popcorn:

[Guest]

A sense of humor is something that seems in short supply when it comes to liberals.
Q: How do you tell the difference between a liberal and a conservative?
A: Easy. Watch a man drowning fifty feet offshore.
The conservative will throw out 25 feet of rope and shout "swim for it!"
The liberal will toss out 50 feet of rope, drop his own end, and go off to do another good deed.

[Guest]

And the right wing doesn't care about the nonexistent voter fraud problem but they do care about suppressing voter turnout.


You means like the black panthers do for which party?? I can't remember? O what party was that??? The one that controls well every every branch of government including justice department.

[Guest]

How did they know it was a Trump supporter?

Have you voted early yet? The only supporters of a candidate with signs at Laurel Manor are Trump supporters. If they are at Laurel Manor, it isn't much of a stretch to believe that they are at other polling stations.

You can tell a Trump supporter by that dumbfounded look on their faces.

[Guest]

Yes, of course. And yet, you didn't know that you have to be registered to vote and that a Canadian wouldn't even be on the registry.

SO, I just returned from early voting and I have a short story to tell you. This is a True one though. When I was leaving, a couple of campaigners in the parking lot were joking around with me, because I had my military cap on :super:. They asked me if I voted twice. And yes, they were laughing. They enjoyed my response that "Of course not, I am not a Democrat." They laughed. So, I doubt they were serious about voting twice. A sense of humor is something that seems in short supply when it comes to liberals.

I think you might have missed this line in my original post:

I told him the ID might be a valid ID for voting he would NOT be able to vote in Florida because he was not registered to vote.


Try again....

[Guest]

Negatory. The poll worker has you sign on the machine in order to see if it matches the one on your ID. Your signature is not on file anywhere for comparison.

:popcorn:

She compared it to the one on my Driver's License.....

[Guest]

Have you voted early yet? The only supporters of a candidate with signs at Laurel Manor are Trump supporters. If they are at Laurel Manor, it isn't much of a stretch to believe that they are at other polling stations.

You can tell a Trump supporter by that dumbfounded look on their faces.

Is that anything like the blind look of a Hillary supporter? You know, that look of one that doesn't see her as a criminal or traitor, but a sweet little lady like the one that owned the ginger bread house in the woods.

[Guest]

She compared it to the one on my Driver's License.....

Why do people scream and curse at each other on this forum. The rules are clear and easily found. You need to be able to verify two items. Your appearance and your signature. A driver's license does both as it has your photo and your signature. If you just have a photo ID eg Villages ID you need a second item that shows your signature. Once both those are displayed then you sign the electronic pad.

Whether during early voting or on Election Day, you will be asked to provide at the polls a valid photo ID with signature. Any one of the following photo IDs will be accepted:
Florida driver’s license
Florida identification card issued by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles
United States passport
Debit or credit card
Military identification
Student identification
Retirement center identification
Neighborhood association identification
Public assistance identification.

If your photo ID does not include your signature, you will be asked to provide another ID that has your signature.

[Guest]

I believe the problem is not so much as the ID issue as the OP's indignant rant about a "friend" that was supposedly told that he/she could vote, even though he/she was a Canadian. Since there is rampant voter fraud by the left, some sort of response was apparently needed to save face for the very unethical, immoral Democrat party. Someone was obviously joking and the indignant leftie was offended. Like I have said many times, humor is lost on liberals.

[Guest]

I believe the problem is not so much as the ID issue as the OP's indignant rant about a "friend" that was supposedly told that he/she could vote, even though he/she was a Canadian. Since there is rampant voter fraud by the left, some sort of response was apparently needed to save face for the very unethical, immoral Democrat party. Someone was obviously joking and the indignant leftie was offended. Like I have said many times, humor is lost on liberals.

Indignant rant? Seriously I only repeated the what my Canadian friend told me. I did not rant.

But you are really not worth my time!

[Guest]

This is a copy of text sent via email to me regarding early voting:

You may know that there is an "Early Voting" centre at the Mulberry Grove Rec. Centre. When I was going into the gym, I was accosted by some Trump supporters who asked me if I was going in to vote. When I said " I am Canadian and can't vote because I am not a citizen", the guy asked," Do you have a Villages ID that shows you own a house in TV? When I said "Yes", he said that's all I need - photo Villages ID and my signature seem to all I need to vote. That can't be right.

I am NOT lying.......

[Guest]

This is a copy of text sent via email to me regarding early voting:

You may know that there is an "Early Voting" centre at the Mulberry Grove Rec. Centre. When I was going into the gym, I was accosted by some Trump supporters who asked me if I was going in to vote. When I said " I am Canadian and can't vote because I am not a citizen", the guy asked," Do you have a Villages ID that shows you own a house in TV? When I said "Yes", he said that's all I need - photo Villages ID and my signature seem to all I need to vote. That can't be right.

I am NOT lying.......

I believe you.

[Guest]

I believe you.

Thank you!!!:smiley:

[Guest]

Thank you!!!:smiley:

However I think maybe your Canadian friend was either kidding you or the Trump supporters were kidding with him.

[Guest]

This is a copy of text sent via email to me regarding early voting:

You may know that there is an "Early Voting" centre at the Mulberry Grove Rec. Centre. When I was going into the gym, I was accosted by some Trump supporters who asked me if I was going in to vote. When I said " I am Canadian and can't vote because I am not a citizen", the guy asked," Do you have a Villages ID that shows you own a house in TV? When I said "Yes", he said that's all I need - photo Villages ID and my signature seem to all I need to vote. That can't be right.

I am NOT lying.......

Whoever told you this did not realize that you would have had to register in Florida as a voter. In order to register as a Florida voter, it is mandatory to have either a Florida state issued ID card or a Florida driver license.

Without your name being on the voter rolls, you cannot vote.

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This is a copy of text sent via email to me regarding early voting:

You may know that there is an "Early Voting" centre at the Mulberry Grove Rec. Centre. When I was going into the gym, I was accosted by some Trump supporters who asked me if I was going in to vote. When I said " I am Canadian and can't vote because I am not a citizen", the guy asked," Do you have a Villages ID that shows you own a house in TV? When I said "Yes", he said that's all I need - photo Villages ID and my signature seem to all I need to vote. That can't be right.

I am NOT lying.......

I believe you too. What neither of us knows is what your friend, verbatim, was told, what she "heard" and what she "assumed, what the Trump supporter was told to say, and what Trump told those organizers to do.

I find it amusing that this thread hints at REPUBLICAN voter fraud.
Let's face it, it is the DEMOCRATS that receive 99.98% of votes from dead people, 99.98% of the votes from illegal aliens, and 99.98% of the votes from those who voted multiple times, and gain from the 99.98% of the votes blocked by black panther intimidation at polls. If it gets any worse, just declare the USA a banana republic.

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Whoever told you this did not realize that you would have had to register in Florida as a voter. In order to register as a Florida voter, it is mandatory to have either a Florida state issued ID card or a Florida driver license.

Without your name being on the voter rolls, you cannot vote.

Half the comments suggested the same thing. But, she is sooo upset that no one would believe her story, of how TRUMP supporters were advocating an illegal activity. I believe the joke is on her. On the other hand, anyone that would vote for Hillary or Sanders can't be that bright anyway. Not saying she is a liberal voter, of course.

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Your friend could have been told she could vote, but once you get in the door and have to show your photo ID, drivers license, check to see if your a registered voter, then it might have a been real embarrassing scenario for your friend.

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I believe you too. What neither of us knows is what your friend, verbatim, was told, what she "heard" and what she "assumed, what the Trump supporter was told to say, and what Trump told those organizers to do.

I find it amusing that this thread hints at REPUBLICAN voter fraud.
Let's face it, it is the DEMOCRATS that receive 99.98% of votes from dead people, 99.98% of the votes from illegal aliens, and 99.98% of the votes from those who voted multiple times, and gain from the 99.98% of the votes blocked by black panther intimidation at polls. If it gets any worse, just declare the USA a banana republic.

Urban myth, spread no doubt by the Breitbarts and other asses from the right wing media.

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Is that anything like the blind look of a Hillary supporter? You know, that look of one that doesn't see her as a criminal or traitor, but a sweet little lady like the one that owned the ginger bread house in the woods.

I saw some Trump sign carriers at both Mullbery and Tiera ... amazingly they looked like smart people, but those Trump signs in their hands led me to assume otherwise.

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I saw some Trump sign carriers at both Mullbery and Tiera ... amazingly they looked like smart people, but those Trump signs in their hands led me to assume otherwise.

Don't worry, I am sure that they had no doubt in regards to you.

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Urban myth, spread no doubt by the Breitbarts and other asses from the right wing media.

You seem to be an expert on posteriors. And we know your fearless leader is familiar with posteriors, as he leads from behind.....:D

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This is just an example of the direction this country is headed. Anything Goes. We need to stop the mail in votes, absentee votes, and all the other subsiderary voting and make people go to the voting booth to vote. And by the way if your not 18 you can't vote. Where do these new rules come from, I know I didn't vote yes that 17 year olds can vote, nor for any of the other new rules for voting. The people of this country should have more imput besides their elected officials on what happens in this new world of ours, or is this politicly incorrect to do.

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if this thread had anymore tangents it would be a double octopus.

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I am definitely in favor of having 17 year old kids vote in the primary if they will be 18 for the general election.

The young voters have an open mind on issues and candidates.

On the other hand, the old timers of 85 and above should not be able to vote anymore. Most of their minds have turned into mush and they are riddled with dementia. The country would be a lot better off in these were purged from voter rolls.

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17 year olds should not have the right to vote. Today's mindset, it seems, is what difference does it make. Well the difference is our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Laws of the Land. I'm thinking that one or the other political institutions think it may get them more votes. As I said, I did not get to vote on this change and it should be voted on not just decided by someone with the wrong mindset our our laws.

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17 year olds should not have the right to vote. Today's mindset, it seems, is what difference does it make. Well the difference is our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Laws of the Land. I'm thinking that one or the other political institutions think it may get them more votes. As I said, I did not get to vote on this change and it should be voted on not just decided by someone with the wrong mindset our our laws.

No one is saying that 17 year olds can vote in a General election.

At what age do you believe voters should be removed from voter rolls?

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Sorry I'm speaking about the recent decision I believe in Ohio that allows 17 year olds who will be 18 by the General Election to vote in 2016 Presidential Primary.
There should be no change in the 18 year old voters right.

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In Ohio, persons who will be 18 as of the date of the general election have been allowed to vote in the primary for that general election for several decades. It makes sense that they should be able to and it is up to the state to make that determination.
"17-year-olds can vote in primaries and caucuses in large number of states, including Alaska, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio*, South Carolina, Virginia, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming. Seventeen-year-olds may also vote in District of Columbia primaries. Most have done this by state law, but others by changing state party rules. "

Here is the Ohio law from 1981
3503.011 Qualifications of electors for primary elections.

At a primary election every qualified elector who is or will be on the day of the next general election eighteen or more years of age, and who is a member of or is affiliated with the political party whose primary election ballot he desires to vote, shall be entitled to vote such ballot at the primary election.


Now explain to me why a GOP secretary of state would say that 17 year olds cannot vote in a primary? Democracy is always advantaged by allowing eligible voters the opportunity to exercise their vote. Sadly that right is now opposed by one party far too often. Every Ohio Sec of State since 1981 has understood the law and allowed 17 year old voters. It was this SOS, Husted, who apparently can't understand the law he is there to administer. And a judge set him straight.

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It is my opinion that 17 year olds should not be able to vote. I understand it works the same for either party etc. Why not make it 16 years of age then, what difference does it make. They have a drivers license and I'm guessing they have to declare their political preference at that age as well. Laws of adult age for drinking, per say, have been established for a reason and it's based on when we think a child has to potential to make the right decision.
I believe the age for voting was originally established for the same reason.
Can you imagine a child lawfully drinking at 17. The establishments, in my opinion have overstepped their obligation to do the will of the people. That' why this voting question, I believe, like the drinking age should be put before the people to decide whether or not a child should be able to vote in the Presidential Primary.

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It is my opinion that 17 year olds should not be able to vote. I understand it works the same for either party etc. Why not make it 16 years of age then, what difference does it make. They have a drivers license and I'm guessing they have to declare their political preference at that age as well. Laws of adult age for drinking, per say, have been established for a reason and it's based on when we think a child has to potential to make the right decision.
I believe the age for voting was originally established for the same reason.
Can you imagine a child lawfully drinking at 17. The establishments, in my opinion have overstepped their obligation to do the will of the people. That' why this voting question, I believe, like the drinking age should be put before the people to decide whether or not a child should be able to vote in the Presidential Primary.

I am going to type very slowly so you can understand the law. I will not bother with explaining about how we have legislatures to enact laws, executives to sign and enforce, and judges to interpret for another day. But we don't put every issue before the voter in part because some voters don't read or understand apparently.
The law in Ohio and elsewhere is very specific. Pay attention. If you are going to be 18 (Eighteen) on the day of the general election in November, then in that case you may also vote in a primary to select which candidates will appear for your party on that ballot. Not all 17 year olds can vote in the primary, only those who will be 18 by election day. So your rant about 16 year olds is God awful stupid isn't it?

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I am going to type very slowly so you can understand the law. I will not bother with explaining about how we have legislatures to enact laws, executives to sign and enforce, and judges to interpret for another day. But we don't put every issue before the voter in part because some voters don't read or understand apparently.
The law in Ohio and elsewhere is very specific. Pay attention. If you are going to be 18 (Eighteen) on the day of the general election in November, then in that case you may also vote in a primary to select which candidates will appear for your party on that ballot. Not all 17 year olds can vote in the primary, only those who will be 18 by election day. So your rant about 16 year olds is God awful stupid isn't it?

You could have left out that last line when responding to that person's post. Was that really necessary?

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Everyone making such a fuss over this.

It's all irrelevant. It doesn't matter because you will pick one of their bought and paid for talking heads. Trump, Sanders, Clinton, it doesn't matter. The corporations own them all. Trump is a financier, he's in with the bankers. Nothing of significance beyond social issues will change with any of them. The money will flow.

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Everyone making such a fuss over this.

It's all irrelevant. It doesn't matter because you will pick one of their bought and paid for talking heads. Trump, Sanders, Clinton, it doesn't matter. The corporations own them all. Trump is a financier, he's in with the bankers. Nothing of significance beyond social issues will change with any of them. The money will flow.

Did you have a point?

The post was a bait thread, to get people riled up over a supposed suggestion that a Canadian was told he/she could vote. Total BS, but still that's the subject, not voting age.

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I'm sorry if some of you took my opinions as bait.
I merely wanted to wanted to express my opinion on:
1. Voting Age
and
2. A law that I thought should be on a ballot

Apparently the repeater responding to my posts had no opinion of their own, other than to follow whatever laws are forced on us by those Talking Heads, as one has put it.

Well let's hope those Heads don't take away our Freedom of Speech less we'd have to close this Forum. Thus people are able to call others Stupid.

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You could have left out that last line when responding to that person's post. Was that really necessary?

Their self imposed limitations do not allow reasonableness.

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It doesn't matter because you will pick one of their bought and paid for talking heads. Sanders. The corporations own them all. Nothing of significance beyond social issues will change with any of them. The money will flow.
I'm guessing you don't know who is financing Sanders. You will be pleasantly surprised.

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-raises-20-million-in-january-fec-report-showcases-small-dollar-fundraising-power/

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I'm guessing you don't know who is financing Sanders. You will be pleasantly surprised.

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-raises-20-million-in-january-fec-report-showcases-small-dollar-fundraising-power/

None of that matters, just like Trump not taking whomever's money either. it's just part of the theater. This is what the "primaries" are for, to whittle down the field of bought and paid for candidates to "the lesser of two evils" that the public will accept and vote for. ANY candidate that gets the D or R party nomination, is bought and paid for.

As long as people keep voting for a D or R nothing will really change. A few social issue bones will be thrown our way as they loot us. It's not a choice for you if I decide which two you can choose from.

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None of that matters, just like Trump not taking whomever's money either. it's just part of the theater. This is what the "primaries" are for, to whittle down the field of bought and paid for candidates to "the lesser of two evils" that the public will accept and vote for. ANY candidate that gets the D or R party nomination, is bought and paid for.

As long as people keep voting for a D or R nothing will really change. A few social issue bones will be thrown our way as they loot us. It's not a choice for you if I decide which two you can choose from.
Maybe you need to do a little more digging, a little more reading and a little less stereotyping based on hearsay. I know it takes effort.

Trump is paying for everything by loaning himself money. Later with other peoples money coming in he will be paying himself back. He's not worth 10 billion by accident.

Sanders is worth about $520k, big deal. If he was lining his pockets all along he would be doing better. His supporters are paying the campaign bill at about $27 per person.

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Maybe you need to do a little more digging, a little more reading and a little less stereotyping based on hearsay. I know it takes effort.

Trump is paying for everything by loaning himself money. Later with other peoples money coming in he will be paying himself back. He's not worth 10 billion by accident.

Sanders is worth about $520k, big deal. If he was lining his pockets all along he would be doing better. His supporters are paying the campaign bill at about $27 per person.

Bernie is an Anti-American jerk and will probably shrivel up and croak well before the elections anyway. He is an ancient throw back to stalin and probably has more in common with Bill Ayers than Americans. I am glad that only ignorant young people are supporting the clown, Bernie. Young people believe they are entitled and he is pandering to them. No adult is stupid enough to listen to his anti-American garbage, even if they are Democrats.

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None of that matters, just like Trump not taking whomever's money either. it's just part of the theater. This is what the "primaries" are for, to whittle down the field of bought and paid for candidates to "the lesser of two evils" that the public will accept and vote for. ANY candidate that gets the D or R party nomination, is bought and paid for.

As long as people keep voting for a D or R nothing will really change. A few social issue bones will be thrown our way as they loot us. It's not a choice for you if I decide which two you can choose from.

I will preface this by saying that I did not vote for Trump. I voted against him, not that it will do any good.

You have a very bad outlook on elections. You say "any candidate...D or R...is bought and paid for." If that is the case, Trump would not be having to fight both the D's AND the Republican establishment. Trump is considered a dangerous disruption to the RNC and out of their control. The RNC wants to control their candidates and he is out of control. Yet, he has brought millions of new voters out to vote for him. If you think that all candidates are bought, then explain the details of who controls Trump.

By your way of thinking, I suppose that you do not vote, because all candidates are evil and controlled.

Even though I do not like Trump and think he is out of control, he is bringing something to the party that hasn't been there for a long time....an influx of new voters. That is why everyone from the left, plus the RNC are ganging up on him. And he will probably win, in spite of all the opposition. He may very well be what we need right now.....even if he is crude. We need something drastic after Obama has injured our country so badly.

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I will preface this by saying that I did not vote for Trump. I voted against him, not that it will do any good.

You have a very bad outlook on elections. You say "any candidate...D or R...is bought and paid for." If that is the case, Trump would not be having to fight both the D's AND the Republican establishment. Trump is considered a dangerous disruption to the RNC and out of their control. The RNC wants to control their candidates and he is out of control. Yet, he has brought millions of new voters out to vote for him. If you think that all candidates are bought, then explain the details of who controls Trump.

By your way of thinking, I suppose that you do not vote, because all candidates are evil and controlled.

Even though I do not like Trump and think he is out of control, he is bringing something to the party that hasn't been there for a long time....an influx of new voters. That is why everyone from the left, plus the RNC are ganging up on him. And he will probably win, in spite of all the opposition. He may very well be what we need right now.....even if he is crude. We need something drastic after Obama has injured our country so badly.

If/when the R party "accepts him and endorses him" you will know he's been "captured" by them. He IS a financier, he hangs with the big bankers, that's a strike against him right there. You don't get $billion loans if you're not "connected". I'm afraid he's a fraud, all talk, he wants the title and will, like the rest, do and say anything to get it.

I don't vote for any D or R candidates. I thought of running for Congress when I retired, I knew of the corruption and wanted to change the world, I had the time now. Well, "they", the Ds and Rs, the "system" has made it virtually impossible to run without D or R nomination. ANY independent has gone through hell to get on the ballot. They've gotten ten of thousands of signatures, they deserve your vote more than a prostitute working for big money. You/we all lose when a D or R gets elected.

He may well be "our Hitler", if he goes independent, forms his own party...

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If/when the R party "accepts him and endorses him" you will know he's been "captured" by them. He IS a financier, he hangs with the big bankers, that's a strike against him right there. You don't get $billion loans if you're not "connected". I'm afraid he's a fraud, all talk, he wants the title and will, like the rest, do and say anything to get it.

I don't vote for any D or R candidates. I thought of running for Congress when I retired, I knew of the corruption and wanted to change the world, I had the time now. Well, "they", the Ds and Rs, the "system" has made it virtually impossible to run without D or R nomination. ANY independent has gone through hell to get on the ballot. They've gotten ten of thousands of signatures, they deserve your vote more than a prostitute working for big money. You/we all lose when a D or R gets elected.

He may well be "our Hitler", if he goes independent, forms his own party...

I feel sorry for you. YOU have a very negative outlook on life. I wonder what you really expect from anyone that is elected in politics. Just a note, if you don't vote, then you really have no position in the status of our government. If you are anti-establishment, then vote for the socialist. He proclaims (falsely) that he is anti-establishment. But, the only time he wasn't part of the establishment was the first 40 years of his life when he was an unemployed hippie.

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I feel sorry for you. YOU have a very negative outlook on life. I wonder what you really expect from anyone that is elected in politics. Just a note, if you don't vote, then you really have no position in the status of our government. If you are anti-establishment, then vote for the socialist. He proclaims (falsely) that he is anti-establishment. But, the only time he wasn't part of the establishment was the first 40 years of his life when he was an unemployed hippie.

I have a very negative outlook on the psychopaths who "lead" us. They're ALL power hungry crooks out to get what they can. Everything is done with underhanded deals.

What do I expect? How about the physicians motto? Do no harm? I expect them to provide the conditions under which people can be free to do what they want. Which is the opposite of what they do now. They make MORE rules and regulations. Most are FILLED with perks for their "contributors".

If you DON'T have a negative outlook on government, you're either naive, intentionally overlook it, or an imbecile.

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If you are anti-establishment, then vote for the socialist. He proclaims (falsely) that he is anti-establishment. But, the only time he wasn't part of the establishment was the first 40 years of his life when he was an unemployed hippie.

What would your political advice be for young Bernie? Work within the establishment for change or work outside of the establishment? I'm glad he is part of the establishment.

Read about a politician I do admire.

Former Rep. Wayne Gilchrest sees 'a political system infiltrated with sociopaths - tribunedigital-baltimoresun (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-10-16/news/bs-md-rodricks-1017-20131016_1_texas-republicans-kent-county-autumn-afternoon)

I know this man because his son married my niece. We've had dinner and it was amazing listening to his beltway stories.

"While teaching at Kent County High School on the Eastern Shore, Gilchrest ran against four-term 1st District Democratic incumbent Roy Dyson in 1988. Dyson was plagued by allegations of improper contributions from defense contractors,[3] questions about his sexual orientation,[4] and the suicide of his top staffer.[5] Despite being badly outspent, Gilchrest lost narrowly to Dyson.[6] He sought a rematch in 1990; this time soundly beating Dyson by 14%."

I could support him too but he was pushed out by his own party.

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I will preface this by saying that I did not vote for Trump. I voted against him, not that it will do any good.

You have a very bad outlook on elections. You say "any candidate...D or R...is bought and paid for." If that is the case, Trump would not be having to fight both the D's AND the Republican establishment. Trump is considered a dangerous disruption to the RNC and out of their control. The RNC wants to control their candidates and he is out of control. Yet, he has brought millions of new voters out to vote for him. If you think that all candidates are bought, then explain the details of who controls Trump.

By your way of thinking, I suppose that you do not vote, because all candidates are evil and controlled.

Even though I do not like Trump and think he is out of control, he is bringing something to the party that hasn't been there for a long time....an influx of new voters. That is why everyone from the left, plus the RNC are ganging up on him. And he will probably win, in spite of all the opposition. He may very well be what we need right now.....even if he is crude. We need something drastic after Obama has injured our country so badly.


'Trump is considered a dangerous disruption to the RNC and out of their control."


"We need something drastic after Obama has injured our country so badly."

Sounds like the same thing the repub establishment is saying. So, you are as bad as them.

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'Trump is considered a dangerous disruption to the RNC and out of their control."


"We need something drastic after Obama has injured our country so badly."

Sounds like the same thing the repub establishment is saying. So, you are as bad as them.

It is obvious the only politicians, people and countries that think Trump is dangerous are the ones who have much to lose if he is elected. The establishment like the political party, do nothing, cronyism, keep my donors happy as they focus on re-election. Don't do anything or say anythin that might offend anybody. Do not represent we the people.

They do not like that he is a threat to the status quo of both parties.

As for the countries that dislike him it is simply because he is a threat to their financial and trade benefits at the expense of America and it's people.
They do not want the flow of billions to be interrupted.

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'Trump is considered a dangerous disruption to the RNC and out of their control."


"We need something drastic after Obama has injured our country so badly."

Sounds like the same thing the repub establishment is saying. So, you are as bad as them.

?????????????

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I believe you too. What neither of us knows is what your friend, verbatim, was told, what she "heard" and what she "assumed, what the Trump supporter was told to say, and what Trump told those organizers to do.

I find it amusing that this thread hints at REPUBLICAN voter fraud.
Let's face it, it is the DEMOCRATS that receive 99.98% of votes from dead people, 99.98% of the votes from illegal aliens, and 99.98% of the votes from those who voted multiple times, and gain from the 99.98% of the votes blocked by black panther intimidation at polls. If it gets any worse, just declare the USA a banana republic.

Lets look at documented in person voter fraud in Texas:

Texas governor helps debunk his own voter-fraud argument | MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/texas-governor-helps-debunk-his-own-voter-fraud-argument)

As for the Black Panthers...2 of them at 1 polling place caused 99.98% of voters from voting....seriously!

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Maybe you need to do a little more digging, a little more reading and a little less stereotyping based on hearsay. I know it takes effort.

Trump is paying for everything by loaning himself money. Later with other peoples money coming in he will be paying himself back. He's not worth 10 billion by accident.

Sanders is worth about $520k, big deal. If he was lining his pockets all along he would be doing better. His supporters are paying the campaign bill at about $27 per person.

I am definitely in favor of having 17 year old kids vote in the primary if they will be 18 for the general election.



The young voters have an open mind on issues and candidates.

On the other hand, the old timers of 85 and above should not be able to vote anymore. Most of their minds have turned into mush and they are riddled with dementia. The country would be a lot better off in these were purged from voter rolls.

This laughable! 17 years old have been brainwashed by their teachers. Molded into the liberal way for greed, government handout, and 100% Union unfunded retirement to substation the voting base. If anybody should be purged from government it's the 80 plus year old politician's and supreme courts justices.