Free stuff and anger vs solutions --

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This year’s election is shaping up to be a contest between free stuff and anger. The over reaction to neither one will solve our nation’s problems.

A 3rd grade teacher relates a telling story: a boy and a girl are finalists to be their class president. The boy gives an excellent speech and receives a raucous ovation when he finishes. The girl stands up and says, simply “If you will vote for me I’ll give you ice cream” and sits down. When asked how she will pay for the ice cream she says she doesn’t know. But the class doesn’t care; they just want their ice cream. She wins in a landslide. Well that’s how Obama won in 2012 and that’s how Clinton, and Sanders, are running today but their supporters don’t care. They just want their ice cream.

Trump’s promises (when you look under the hood) appear to be inconsistent with reality but his supporters don’t care because they are (justifiably) angry and they too want their ice cream. And their ice cream is to dump the current establishment. While the GOP seems to be impotent against the Dem’s relentless pull to the left, upon closer inspection, it’s clear that they are simply part of the establishment and therefore they must also go. Trump promises that he is the antidote. On the surface his promise to “make us great again” has a nice sound to it, but as you dig down it simply rings hollow.

Neither our desire for ice cream nor our over reaction to anger will right our sinking ship. That sucking sound you hear is the inevitability of an implosion nearing critical mass. Do your research and then go vote.

tq

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tq, I really wish you were wrong, but I think you've hit the nail on its proverbial head. It doesn't matter who runs, it doesn't matter if there is even a thread of decency or morality in that individual, the fact that someone is absolutely clueless of what being the POTUS truly means is irrelevant, all that matters to too many is that someone say what they want to hear. Whether it is possible to do what is promised is absolutely irrelevant. What is best for this beloved nation is absolutely irrelevant. Until voters stand up and say they want someone strong, decent, relatively intelligent, with at least an inkling of what being President means and a willingness to do what is right regardless, we'll continue getting blowhards, liars, womanizers and clueless fools.

Red

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Well that’s how Obama won in 2012 and that’s how Clinton, and Sanders, are running today but their supporters don’t care.


Making Empty Promises

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There are 27 pages of Obama promises. Some were kept, some were not and there were quite a bit of compromises along the way. I didn't look at all 27 pages but he sure did promise a quite a bit.

Tell me what you think?

Is there a meter for the others? What did they promise and what did they deliver.

Trump would not have one because he was a business man and as he has said you should expect that he acted in the best interest of his business. It sounds like a line from the Godfather, business, nothing personal.

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tq, I really wish you were wrong, but I think you've hit the nail on its proverbial head. It doesn't matter who runs, it doesn't matter if there is even a thread of decency or morality in that individual, the fact that someone is absolutely clueless of what being the POTUS truly means is irrelevant, all that matters to too many is that someone say what they want to hear. Whether it is possible to do what is promised is absolutely irrelevant. What is best for this beloved nation is absolutely irrelevant. Until voters stand up and say they want someone strong, decent, relatively intelligent, with at least an inkling of what being President means and a willingness to do what is right regardless, we'll continue getting blowhards, liars, womanizers and clueless fools.

Red
Nice thought. Too bad that will never happen. The presidency is a popularity contest. Whoever promises you the most gets your vote. Welcome to America.

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I have become unusually cynical with most politicians but in particular with the present occupant of the WH and the leading candidate (to date) who is trying to replace him. The only thing that I believe when either one of them speaks is that they have opened their mouths and in all likelihood told another lie.

I have learned never to believe all that one says as something can be taken out of context. Being here instead of there makes it impossible to discern the complete truth.

While I have never seen a perfect candidate the only one remaining that I believe really has our country's interest at heart is Cruz.

tq

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If Trump is elected President, the public would find out he is all bluster. Congress would not work with him. He could not unilaterally tear p trade agreements with foreign countries, he could not tell civil service employees they are fired, etc.

Same with Cruz. He could not repeal ACA with an executive order. It is the law of the land. Cruz could not do away with the IRS or EPA or Dept of Education - a President does not have that authority. Congress would never pass anything from Cruz.

Sanders could not get any of his campaign ideas through Congress. For the free college, that would be tied up in committees for his entire term. A higher minimum wage is in place right now and the wage will increase no matter who is President but not to $15.

Clinton has the best chance of compromising with Congress on issues that will benefit the most people. It will be a lot of backsctratching but that is how to get programs through the legislative process.

In short, there is no free ice cream for everyone. You may end up with a small bowl of ice cream and will have to pay for it.

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While I like Cruz because he does NOT compromise, I recognize that there could be some problems with getting some of his agenda passed but our country has moved left for decades now because the GOP (they say in order to "get along") has compromised time and again. We are closer to destruction that we have ever been. If we want to actually make our country strong again, we must, as a nation, move back to the right.

We did not become the greatest country that ever existed due to government programs but instead because of capitalism. While capitalism may not be perfect if you want to raise all ships then you need an economic engine and that is NOT more government programs. The government takes from the producers. We have become a nation of haves and have nots. The current administration has worked very successfully at dividing us in exactly that way. Those of us who produce are greedy because we want to keep that which we worked for. The greedy ones are the ones who want to take from us and then holler for even more.

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I have become unusually cynical with most politicians but in particular with the present occupant of the WH and the leading candidate (to date) who is trying to replace him. The only thing that I believe when either one of them speaks is that they have opened their mouths and in all likelihood told another lie.

I have learned never to believe all that one says as something can be taken out of context. Being here instead of there makes it impossible to discern the complete truth.

While I have never seen a perfect candidate the only one remaining that I believe really has our country's interest at heart is Cruz.

tq

God doesn't like repubs, if he did he wouldn't have given you repubs the bunch of losers you have running for President. Hillary will win. that is who he wants.

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Can these "guest" posts be edited by the OP?

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Those of us who produce are greedy because we want to keep that which we worked for. The greedy ones are the ones who want to take from us and then holler for even more.
Are you in the top 1% or the bottom 90% who own just as much? Where did the middle class go?

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God doesn't like repubs, if he did he wouldn't have given you repubs the bunch of losers you have running for President. Hillary will win. that is who he wants.

I will be so bold as you say that you are simply wrong -- God loves all and I don't think He allows Himself to become involved with the idiocy that we humans tend to relegate ourselves to. Look at the Israelis in the "Bible" times and the Romans as of comparatively lately. He allowed mankind to destroy itself and that's what He's doing right now.

We're the idiots and we're destroying ourselves from within.

Hillary is not only an un-indicted criminal, she is also simply another socialist. Socialism has *never* worked long term because it can't. Eventually it will cave in on itself. That's happening right before our eyes. The last 7 years has seen the greatest change in a country's direction, I believe, in recent centuries. We've gone from the best to heading towards just another 3rd world country and at a record pace. And if you can't see it then you are simply ignoring the obvious.

The sad thing is that those of you who crave more socialism will be just as damaged and hurt as those of us on the right who are trying to stop this train.

tq

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Are you in the top 1% or the bottom 90% who own just as much? Where did the middle class go?

Obama and the socialist cabal have destroyed the middle class. If you want to see a resurgence of those in the middle then you need a capitalistic economy. There is nothing at all complicated about that.

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God doesn't like repubs, if he did he wouldn't have given you repubs the bunch of losers you have running for President. Hillary will win. that is who he wants.

At some point even alcoholics sober up!

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Obama and the socialist cabal have destroyed the middle class. If you want to see a resurgence of those in the middle then you need a capitalistic economy. There is nothing at all complicated about that.
It's not complicated? It's easy to fix? How would you fix it?

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It's not complicated? It's easy to fix? How would you fix it?

I’d reduce the size of government, balance the budget, eliminate some of the departments that Cruz is proposing, get rid of the new policies, like Dodd-Frank, that are costing the consumers millions upon millions of dollars each year instead of helping. Make the needed changes to Social Security and Medicare in order to make them viable once again.
Government’s primary function is to protect its people not to pick winners and losers in the business world, of which they are a consummate failure. Government has gotten so bloated that it is no longer capable of being run efficiently. Efficacy is needed and there is none. Government needs to get back to what it was originally intended to do.

Power needs to be returned to the people. 535 people in Washington cannot compete with the genius of 315 million people.

I didn’t say it would be easy, I said it wasn’t complicated.

tq

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I’d reduce the size of government, balance the budget, eliminate some of the departments that Cruz is proposing, get rid of the new policies, like Dodd-Frank, that are costing the consumers millions upon millions of dollars each year instead of helping. Make the needed changes to Social Security and Medicare in order to make them viable once again.
Government’s primary function is to protect its people not to pick winners and losers in the business world, of which they are a consummate failure. Government has gotten so bloated that it is no longer capable of being run efficiently. Efficacy is needed and there is none. Government needs to get back to what it was originally intended to do.

Power needs to be returned to the people. 535 people in Washington cannot compete with the genius of 315 million people.

I didn’t say it would be easy, I said it wasn’t complicated.

tq
And wages will go up and jobs will be created so there will be a middle class again. People will figure out for themselves how to educate themselves for the higher paying jobs that are created. Will the 1% will need give to up anything?

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And wages will go up and jobs will be created so there will be a middle class again. People will figure out for themselves how to educate themselves for the higher paying jobs that are created. Will the 1% will need give to up anything?

I agree completely.

If your last sentence meant, "will the 1% need to give up anything", the answer is no. EVERYBODY wins, the very top, the middle and the lowest. ANYBODY (stipulating that they are physically and emotionally able) who makes a sincere effort will win, but there will always be the top, the middle and the lowest. There will always be the "poor" because "poor" is relative. America's poor are rich compared to most of the rest of the world.

Those who refuse to work or better themselves will always be on the bottom. They may scream that it is unfair that there are the rich, but then (and I didn't make this up :) ) life itself is not fair, but it sure is worth it. :)

tq

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The only thing that will fix this country is a real balanced budget. There has to be a direct correlation between what you spend and promise to what you have for revenue. Romney was correct but said it poorly. When 48% pay no federal income tax and a large percentage of 52% remaining get more from government than they pay in the system collapses, as is happening now. It doesn't matter if Bernie, Hillary, Cruz, or Trump is president outcome is going to be the same. We are bankrupt, have lost a great deal of our manufacturing, have spent our children's futures, and are now spending our grandchildren's futures. Arguing about Dems or Reps gives us the cover we need to not face our true selves. IMO

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TOTAL BS.

You know nothing about economics, :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

In fact, you know absolutely nothing about anything!

[Guest]

TOTAL BS.

You know nothing about economics, :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

In fact, you know absolutely nothing about anything!


Are you angry because you cannot logically discuss or counter what has been said here?

tq

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The only thing that will fix this country is a real balanced budget. There has to be a direct correlation between what you spend and promise to what you have for revenue. Romney was correct but said it poorly. When 48% pay no federal income tax and a large percentage of 52% remaining get more from government than they pay in the system collapses, as is happening now. It doesn't matter if Bernie, Hillary, Cruz, or Trump is president outcome is going to be the same. We are bankrupt, have lost a great deal of our manufacturing, have spent our children's futures, and are now spending our grandchildren's futures. Arguing about Dems or Reps gives us the cover we need to not face our true selves. IMO

You may be right. I'm a Cruz fan because I think that at least he will try to do what is right. Not sure he will get much cooperation from either party because certainly the left as well as a goodly number on the right are part of the establishment that has put us here.

Our nation may be too far gone to be able to be saved but I think it's worth another good shot at it.

tq

[Guest]

This year’s election is shaping up to be a contest between free stuff and anger. The over reaction to neither one will solve our nation’s problems.

A 3rd grade teacher relates a telling story: a boy and a girl are finalists to be their class president. The boy gives an excellent speech and receives a raucous ovation when he finishes. The girl stands up and says, simply “If you will vote for me I’ll give you ice cream” and sits down. When asked how she will pay for the ice cream she says she doesn’t know. But the class doesn’t care; they just want their ice cream. She wins in a landslide. Well that’s how Obama won in 2012 and that’s how Clinton, and Sanders, are running today but their supporters don’t care. They just want their ice cream.

Trump’s promises (when you look under the hood) appear to be inconsistent with reality but his supporters don’t care because they are (justifiably) angry and they too want their ice cream. And their ice cream is to dump the current establishment. While the GOP seems to be impotent against the Dem’s relentless pull to the left, upon closer inspection, it’s clear that they are simply part of the establishment and therefore they must also go. Trump promises that he is the antidote. On the surface his promise to “make us great again” has a nice sound to it, but as you dig down it simply rings hollow.

Neither our desire for ice cream nor our over reaction to anger will right our sinking ship. That sucking sound you hear is the inevitability of an implosion nearing critical mass. Do your research and then go vote.

tq

I can see where a simple person could think this. However, if a person wanted to think a little deeper they might learn that the word free is not used appropriately. Unfortunately, Sanders has done a miserable job explaining himself; Consequently, he'll never be elected.

Example; Medicare for all. It's not free health care it's simply paying for it a different way. Instead of my employer paying my health insurance company for my health care insurance (say $800) instead, my employer will pay me the money ($800) in my monthly check. I would then receive medicare and my taxes would go up to pay for it. (hopefully less than $800).

Now I'm not going to argue if any of this is real workable or not. I know I'll never change the minds of the Fox indoctrinated but at least I attempted to educate you with facts. Something I'm sure doesn't interest the majority of you. After all, who needs facts right? Especially when you have hate and greed on your side.

[Guest]

I can see where a simple person could think this. However, if a person wanted to think a little deeper they might learn that the word free is not used appropriately. Unfortunately, Sanders has done a miserable job explaining himself; Consequently, he'll never be elected.

Example; Medicare for all. It's not free health care it's simply paying for it a different way. Instead of my employer paying my health insurance company for my health care insurance (say $800) instead, my employer will pay me the money ($800) in my monthly check. I would then receive medicare and my taxes would go up to pay for it. (hopefully less than $800).

Now I'm not going to argue if any of this is real workable or not. I know I'll never change the minds of the Fox indoctrinated but at least I attempted to educate you with facts. Something I'm sure doesn't interest the majority of you. After all, who needs facts right? Especially when you have hate and greed on your side.

Your taxes might go up under the plan you proposed, but who pays for the health care in the case of those 47% who pay no federal income tax? And, what do you propose employers do regarding the health care funding for part-time workers?

[Guest]

I can see where a simple person could think this. However, if a person wanted to think a little deeper they might learn that the word free is not used appropriately. Unfortunately, Sanders has done a miserable job explaining himself; Consequently, he'll never be elected.

Example; Medicare for all. It's not free health care it's simply paying for it a different way. Instead of my employer paying my health insurance company for my health care insurance (say $800) instead, my employer will pay me the money ($800) in my monthly check. I would then receive medicare and my taxes would go up to pay for it. (hopefully less than $800).

Now I'm not going to argue if any of this is real workable or not. I know I'll never change the minds of the Fox indoctrinated but at least I attempted to educate you with facts. Something I'm sure doesn't interest the majority of you. After all, who needs facts right? Especially when you have hate and greed on your side.

You did not present facts, you only presented a proposal and an opinion.

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Your taxes might go up under the plan you proposed, but who pays for the health care in the case of those 47% who pay no federal income tax? And, what do you propose employers do regarding the health care funding for part-time workers?

As I said in my post I wasn't attempting to change anyone's mind, simply correct the notion that Bernie sold his idea of medicare for all was free. However, here is one question for you? What did we do for those who didn't have insurance before the affordable care act? Did they simply not get health care? Did they conveniently die in the street? You and I know the tax payers paid for it. As republicans like to say: We are a Christian nation. Well, isn't that the Christian thing to do. Please not the sarcasm in my last sentence.

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As I said in my post I wasn't attempting to change anyone's mind, simply correct the notion that Bernie sold his idea of medicare for all was free. However, here is one question for you? What did we do for those who didn't have insurance before the affordable care act? Did they simply not get health care? Did they conveniently die in the street? You and I know the tax payers paid for it. As republicans like to say: We are a Christian nation. Well, isn't that the Christian thing to do. Please not the sarcasm in my last sentence.

Universal health care or no universal health care, the taxpayer has and always will be paying for those with no coverage. The only thing that Bernie is promising is more government control over the current health care system through what will prove to be just another bloated and ineffectual government program - just like the current VA system. And, before you ask, yes I have used the VA health care system. As a partially disabled veteran it is free of charge to me, but other than routine lab work and an annual physical, I seek treatment outside of the VA system.

Go to your nearest Indian reservation and ask the residents how they feel about the government provided health care they receive. As a liberal, you may be surprised by their answer.

[Guest]

20 Big Ideas From Bernie Sanders to Reverse Inequality,
Expand Safety Nets and Stop America's Plutocrats

20 Big Ideas From Bernie Sanders to Reverse Inequality, Expand Safety Nets and Stop America's Plutocrats | Alternet (http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-big-ideas-bernie-sanders-reverse-inequality-expand-safety-nets-and-stop-americas)

Doesn't this sound like it would work? Isn't it reasonable that if a handful of people who have more money then they could spend and all their generations could spend that the rest could be used to help the rest of us? Not a hand out but jobs fixing the infrastructure.

I like Bernie because he is old, because he is only worth $520k, because he has a lifetime of being involved in causes. I don't think he is lining his pockets, or building his brand or gives a damn about his place in history. I think he is a grandfather who cares about their future has a shot at the title and instead of retiring like you and me he's going for it. God Bless him for trying.

[Guest]

I can see where a simple person could think this. However, if a person wanted to think a little deeper they might learn that the word free is not used appropriately. Unfortunately, Sanders has done a miserable job explaining himself; Consequently, he'll never be elected.

Example; Medicare for all. It's not free health care it's simply paying for it a different way. Instead of my employer paying my health insurance company for my health care insurance (say $800) instead, my employer will pay me the money ($800) in my monthly check. I would then receive medicare and my taxes would go up to pay for it. (hopefully less than $800).

Now I'm not going to argue if any of this is real workable or not. I know I'll never change the minds of the Fox indoctrinated but at least I attempted to educate you with facts. Something I'm sure doesn't interest the majority of you. After all, who needs facts right? Especially when you have hate and greed on your side.


The post immediately below your post asked two critical questions. I'm looking forward to your answers.

You then stated that "you weren't going to argue if any of this is real workable or not". I'm suggesting that it is not: how can adding another income-eating layer to an already unmanageable bureaucracy help anybody?

You then commented: "After all, who needs facts right?" -- What you suggested was not facts. It is merely a supposition. Show me facts that make sense and you might find an ally in me.

BTW, the hate I have, and there is a modicum of that, is the hate that I have for the destruction of our country. As for greed -- without a company that makes a profit or a salaried person who desires to accumulate some wealth as a measure of his efforts, both of whom pay taxes, where would the rest of the country be? The government makes nothing. Instead it takes from the producers in the form of taxes. Without us where would the funds come from that run ALL of government?

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

Respectfully,

tq

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The post immediately below your post asked two critical questions. I'm looking forward to your answers.

You then stated that "you weren't going to argue if any of this is real workable or not". I'm suggesting that it is not: how can adding another income-eating layer to an already unmanageable bureaucracy help anybody?

You then commented: "After all, who needs facts right?" -- What you suggested was not facts. It is merely a supposition. Show me facts that make sense and you might find an ally in me.

Sorry, I assumed you would understand that the fact I was referring to was the fact that the Bernie Sanders proposal was not free and he tried, horribly, to explain how it was going to be paid for.

BTW, the hate I have, and there is a modicum of that, is the hate that I have for the destruction of our country. As for greed -- without a company that makes a profit or a salaried person who desires to accumulate some wealth as a measure of his efforts, both of whom pay taxes, where would the rest of the country be? The government makes nothing. Instead it takes from the producers in the form of taxes. Without us where would the funds come from that run ALL of government?

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

Respectfully,

tq


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[Guest]

Your taxes might go up under the plan you proposed, but who pays for the health care in the case of those 47% who pay no federal income tax? And, what do you propose employers do regarding the health care funding for part-time workers?


Concerning the 47%. the devil is in the details. Retired citizens, like for example us make up 1/5 of the 47%. There are plenty of articles on the 47%. Here is one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-the-47-percent/2012/09/21/57dc7bbe-0341-11e2-8102-ebee9c66e190_story.html

You have a graduated income tax. You can have a single payer health insurance plan with the premiums based upon your income. Companies are offering insurance to their employees now. The only difference will be that the premiums will be going to a government agency. If you want an existing health insurance to administer the plan, you can. However, the government will determine markup these insurance will receive. Single payer is workable. However, it will never happen.

Concerning part time employees, their income is probably low; therefore, they can fall under Medicaid.

You don't want corporations to increase your wages to pay for health insurance. That is putting money in my right pocket so the government can take it out of my left pocket. Besides, payroll taxes will be increased for both the employer, and the worker. Just treat health insurance to the corporations as it is now a deductible expense.

The total cost of health insurance will probably go down, because the profit health insurance carriers will be reduced. How many health insurance carriers have gone out of business?

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Dear Guests:

Nothing is free even the air we breathe (think the EPA) because in one way another another the government is in your pockets.

Sanders told Brit Baier that health care is ever person's right. He asked why and Bernie said because they are human beings. The audience clapped and to my disappointment Brit stopped.

I yelled back at my television telling Brit to ask Bernie then with these rights what are human beings responsibilities? Does Bernie recognize that those seeking such rights will only abuse them?

The lie behind the passage of ACA was that people went uninsured but those without insurance are a larger number now and those who purchased insurance are paying larger premium and incurring higher deductibles and co-pays

In the beginning the states created the federal government they were careful to maintain a fine balance knowing the tyranny of central government but along the way politicians promised free stuff for votes and viola

A Kenyan in the White House was a disaster and a Canadian in the White House will be another because irrespective of the definition of a natural born citizen as a qualification neither of these men can relate to true American patriotism. So they are no better than the socialist or the un-indicted crook running.

It is indeed a mystery as to why this nation can no longer produce a person worthy to lead this nation The simple answer is corruption and cronyism

I had no intention of voting in this election but voting is a privilege and I would not violate that sacred gift. So I voted in the primary and the truth be told I voted the same as my wife for one simple reason I did not want to negate her sensible selection.

Can rationality retake this nation sadly I do not believe so because the electorate is too self centered, selfish and pampered. Our founders must be turning in their graves

Personal Best Regards:

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I guess it does not bother you one bit that people in this country have it worse medically than most other countries. I just don't see why the richest country in the world can not provide world class medical coverage for its citizens.

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I guess it does not bother you one bit that people in this country have it worse medically than most other countries. I just don't see why the richest country in the world can not provide world class medical coverage for its citizens.

How much more would you be willing to pay in taxes to provide "world class coverage " to all Americans? And, does that include those who are here illegally?

Oh, and most socialized countries provide "world class coverage" only until they reach the point where the cost of medical intervention is superseded by the cost benefit of further treatment.

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You can't teach a liberal anything. If they would get off their protected rears and travel to those socialized medicine countries, they would learn a few things about how "great" their health care really is. They would also find out that even in Germany, where your income is taxed at about 55% (in total) you still require private insurance IF you want quality treatment. I have been to and lived in many countries and I have yet to see anything that compare to our great country. But, liberals will repeat talking points from the ignorant. Just like they don't believe that Hillary broke the law, even when you have former/retired State Dept employees that know better.

[Guest]

A Kenyan in the White House

Really? You're a birther? He's not an American? I'll be reading your posts a little differently. He went looking for his father in Kenya.
Didn't you read his books?

[Guest]

Dear Guests:

Nothing is free even the air we breathe (think the EPA) because in one way another another the government is in your pockets.

Sanders told Brit Baier that health care is ever person's right. He asked why and Bernie said because they are human beings. The audience clapped and to my disappointment Brit stopped.

I yelled back at my television telling Brit to ask Bernie then with these rights what are human beings responsibilities? Does Bernie recognize that those seeking such rights will only abuse them?

The lie behind the passage of ACA was that people went uninsured but those without insurance are a larger number now and those who purchased insurance are paying larger premium and incurring higher deductibles and co-pays

In the beginning the states created the federal government they were careful to maintain a fine balance knowing the tyranny of central government but along the way politicians promised free stuff for votes and viola

A Kenyan in the White House was a disaster and a Canadian in the White House will be another because irrespective of the definition of a natural born citizen as a qualification neither of these men can relate to true American patriotism. So they are no better than the socialist or the un-indicted crook running.

It is indeed a mystery as to why this nation can no longer produce a person worthy to lead this nation The simple answer is corruption and cronyism

I had no intention of voting in this election but voting is a privilege and I would not violate that sacred gift. So I voted in the primary and the truth be told I voted the same as my wife for one simple reason I did not want to negate her sensible selection.

Can rationality retake this nation sadly I do not believe so because the electorate is too self centered, selfish and pampered. Our founders must be turning in their graves

Personal Best Regards:

your posting here has just showed everyone on this forum that you are not thinking correctly anymore. In other words, you have proved to the world that you are not relevant!

Your posts from now on will be looked at as though they are just rants and will not be taken seriously.

Best regards, my butt.

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Dear Guests:

Nothing is free even the air we breathe (think the EPA) because in one way another another the government is in your pockets.

Sanders told Brit Baier that health care is ever person's right. He asked why and Bernie said because they are human beings. The audience clapped and to my disappointment Brit stopped.

I yelled back at my television telling Brit to ask Bernie then with these rights what are human beings responsibilities? Does Bernie recognize that those seeking such rights will only abuse them?

The lie behind the passage of ACA was that people went uninsured but those without insurance are a larger number now and those who purchased insurance are paying larger premium and incurring higher deductibles and co-pays

In the beginning the states created the federal government they were careful to maintain a fine balance knowing the tyranny of central government but along the way politicians promised free stuff for votes and viola

A Kenyan in the White House was a disaster and a Canadian in the White House will be another because irrespective of the definition of a natural born citizen as a qualification neither of these men can relate to true American patriotism. So they are no better than the socialist or the un-indicted crook running.

It is indeed a mystery as to why this nation can no longer produce a person worthy to lead this nation The simple answer is corruption and cronyism

I had no intention of voting in this election but voting is a privilege and I would not violate that sacred gift. So I voted in the primary and the truth be told I voted the same as my wife for one simple reason I did not want to negate her sensible selection.

Can rationality retake this nation sadly I do not believe so because the electorate is too self centered, selfish and pampered. Our founders must be turning in their graves

Personal Best Regards:

I would like to make a constructive comment in the hopes you may learn from it. When you suggest President Obama is a Kenyan, any reader with a high school education or greater will dismiss you as a total fool. Even if you make intelligent comments (which you didn't) in the remainder of your post people will not see you as credible. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Guest]

your posting here has just showed everyone on this forum that you are not thinking correctly anymore. In other words, you have proved to the world that you are not relevant!

Your posts from now on will be looked at as though they are just rants and will not be taken seriously.

Best regards, my butt.

Your simplistic incoherent ramblings were NEVER relevant!

[Guest]

Dear Guests:

Nothing is free even the air we breathe (think the EPA) because in one way another another the government is in your pockets.

Sanders told Brit Baier that health care is ever person's right. He asked why and Bernie said because they are human beings. The audience clapped and to my disappointment Brit stopped.

I yelled back at my television telling Brit to ask Bernie then with these rights what are human beings responsibilities? Does Bernie recognize that those seeking such rights will only abuse them?

The lie behind the passage of ACA was that people went uninsured but those without insurance are a larger number now and those who purchased insurance are paying larger premium and incurring higher deductibles and co-pays

In the beginning the states created the federal government they were careful to maintain a fine balance knowing the tyranny of central government but along the way politicians promised free stuff for votes and viola

A Kenyan in the White House was a disaster and a Canadian in the White House will be another because irrespective of the definition of a natural born citizen as a qualification neither of these men can relate to true American patriotism. So they are no better than the socialist or the un-indicted crook running.

It is indeed a mystery as to why this nation can no longer produce a person worthy to lead this nation The simple answer is corruption and cronyism

I had no intention of voting in this election but voting is a privilege and I would not violate that sacred gift. So I voted in the primary and the truth be told I voted the same as my wife for one simple reason I did not want to negate her sensible selection.

Can rationality retake this nation sadly I do not believe so because the electorate is too self centered, selfish and pampered. Our founders must be turning in their graves

Personal Best Regards:

This statement can not be backup up with hard facts. Obamacare stats hard to nail down - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/obamacare-enrollment-numbers-103828)

If your statement could be proved to be true, it would be all you would be hear from the Republicans presidential hopefuls. They hardly mention it.
If you google, number of insured before and after Obamacare, there is next to nothing there after 2014. Here is one that throws out some numbers. Before and After Obamacare: Has it Worked? - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/infographics/2014-04-10/obamacare-before-and-after.html)

The Republican controlled states in the South, Mid-West, and very sparsely populated fly over states, didn't accept Medicaid for their uninsured. They have the most uninsured in the entire country. They care more about political power than they do for the people that live in their states.

[Guest]

your posting here has just showed everyone on this forum that you are not thinking correctly anymore. In other words, you have proved to the world that you are not relevant!

Your posts from now on will be looked at as though they are just rants and will not be taken seriously.

Best regards, my butt.
There is no doubt PBR'S posts have been more and more disconnected. And unfortunately it has demeaned his pontificating to blather at times.

[Guest]

I think his posts are of value. It's an opinion I want to hear. I may not agree but I won't forget that I am all looking for the truth from different sources and it's OK not to be perfect. You can't dismiss everything because of one post.

Look at Ben Carson. He's a brain surgeon, Johns Hopkins, everyone knows this. He's brilliant. But he found himself arguing with people about whether or not he really tried to stab his cousin in the stomach. That was unbelievable. Who would argue about that?

So some don't quite trust the Carson's judgement or logic. That doesn't mean he isn't a brilliant surgeon. Let's not be so quick to throw out the baby and the bath water. Keep writing my friend.

[Guest]

I have become unusually cynical with most politicians but in particular with the present occupant of the WH and the leading candidate (to date) who is trying to replace him. The only thing that I believe when either one of them speaks is that they have opened their mouths and in all likelihood told another lie.

I have learned never to believe all that one says as something can be taken out of context. Being here instead of there makes it impossible to discern the complete truth.

While I have never seen a perfect candidate the only one remaining that I believe really has our country's interest at heart is Cruz.

tq

Ah yes, cruz the champion lier and it is proven. But, you would not believe it even if the facts were presented to you on a silver platter.

[Guest]

Can these "guest" posts be edited by the OP?

Yours definitely would be.

[Guest]

Ah yes, cruz the champion lier and it is proven. But, you would not believe it even if the facts were presented to you on a silver platter.

If anyone feels like reading:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ted-cruz/statements/

[Guest]

I've gotten free stuff all my life. I got a super public education through high school. I got an undergraduate degree supported in large part by the taxpayers of the state of New York. I got an advanced degree for nearly nothing because I did well on a test, again from a state school supported by the taxpayers. I received advanced training at a facility almost entirely built and maintained by taxpayers. I got health care, life insurance, disability insurance at no cost to me for several years. I had fire and police protection, clean water and clean air, safe highways and a military second to none. All nearly free to me.
Now there came a time when it was my turn to pay. And the government gave me a discount for being married, for having kids, for owning a home, for being charitable, for....
Elsewhere there were Americans with not enough food, with poor schools, who did not own homes. And if anything I did or I paid or anything I will continue to do or continue to pay can make their time a bit easier I don't object. My path has been easy in many ways. I was lucky to be born with a lot of advantages others didn't have. I recognize it is not a level playing field right from the opening whistle. That's why I vote against my economic self interest and for a nation where goodness is more important than greed.

[Guest]

I've gotten free stuff all my life. I got a super public education through high school. I got an undergraduate degree supported in large part by the taxpayers of the state of New York. I got an advanced degree for nearly nothing because I did well on a test, again from a state school supported by the taxpayers. I received advanced training at a facility almost entirely built and maintained by taxpayers. I got health care, life insurance, disability insurance at no cost to me for several years. I had fire and police protection, clean water and clean air, safe highways and a military second to none. All nearly free to me.
Now there came a time when it was my turn to pay. And the government gave me a discount for being married, for having kids, for owning a home, for being charitable, for....
Elsewhere there were Americans with not enough food, with poor schools, who did not own homes. And if anything I did or I paid or anything I will continue to do or continue to pay can make their time a bit easier I don't object. My path has been easy in many ways. I was lucky to be born with a lot of advantages others didn't have. I recognize it is not a level playing field right from the opening whistle. That's why I vote against my economic self interest and for a nation where goodness is more important than greed.

A significant element in your stated free experience above amply demonstrates the effort you put forth to make things happen and earn your reward(s).

I think most of us when we address free stuff mean those who have not put forth any effort and feel someone else is obligated to provide them their free stuff...whether education, food stamps, unemployment, insurance, etc.....all thinks most of us have had to earn in our lifetime.

That is what bugs me about the entitlement mind set. Is the no effort intended, you owe me attitude of the day.

[Guest]

I've gotten free stuff all my life. I got a super public education through high school. I got an undergraduate degree supported in large part by the taxpayers of the state of New York. I got an advanced degree for nearly nothing because I did well on a test, again from a state school supported by the taxpayers. I received advanced training at a facility almost entirely built and maintained by taxpayers. I got health care, life insurance, disability insurance at no cost to me for several years. I had fire and police protection, clean water and clean air, safe highways and a military second to none. All nearly free to me.
Now there came a time when it was my turn to pay. And the government gave me a discount for being married, for having kids, for owning a home, for being charitable, for....
Elsewhere there were Americans with not enough food, with poor schools, who did not own homes. And if anything I did or I paid or anything I will continue to do or continue to pay can make their time a bit easier I don't object. My path has been easy in many ways. I was lucky to be born with a lot of advantages others didn't have. I recognize it is not a level playing field right from the opening whistle. That's why I vote against my economic self interest and for a nation where goodness is more important than greed.
That sounds like my life too.

You forgot to mention the minimum wage. When I was 16 only 16 year olds had a minimum wage job. It didn't take much for me to go from slicing balogna for min to tripling it by running a factory cafeteria by myself from 5 to 10 pm. I hustled and there were opportunities. It was far easier to succeed than it is today. When I think of all the jobs I had and the all the ones I passed up I know it was a different world. Looking like a clean cut all American boy made a difference too.

[Guest]

That sounds like my life too.

You forgot to mention the minimum wage. When I was 16 only 16 year olds had a minimum wage job. It didn't take much for me to go from slicing balogna for min to tripling it by running a factory cafeteria by myself from 5 to 10 pm. I hustled and there were opportunities. It was far easier to succeed than it is today. When I think of all the jobs I had and the all the ones I passed up I know it was a different world. Looking like a clean cut all American boy made a difference too.

Especially when you are female...........just kidding...:1rotfl:

[Guest]

A significant element in your stated free experience above amply demonstrates the effort you put forth to make things happen and earn your reward(s).

I think most of us when we address free stuff mean those who have not put forth any effort and feel someone else is obligated to provide them their free stuff...whether education, food stamps, unemployment, insurance, etc.....all thinks most of us have had to earn in our lifetime.

That is what bugs me about the entitlement mind set. Is the no effort intended, you owe me attitude of the day.

The problem with the constant repeating of the word "entitlement" is that is being used against people that would love not to be on food stamps, collecting unemployment, being on Medicaid, etc. The loss of a job forces people into these categories. It is bad enough to have to use government programs usually on a temporary basis, but being tagged as a freeloader to boot for political purposes is just plain wrong.

It may be wrong, but politicians like Trump benefit from it. Hell, he is running his entire candidacy on hate. We should all be so proud of what we have become.

[Guest]

I've gotten free stuff all my life. I got a super public education through high school. I got an undergraduate degree supported in large part by the taxpayers of the state of New York. I got an advanced degree for nearly nothing because I did well on a test, again from a state school supported by the taxpayers. I received advanced training at a facility almost entirely built and maintained by taxpayers. I got health care, life insurance, disability insurance at no cost to me for several years. I had fire and police protection, clean water and clean air, safe highways and a military second to none. All nearly free to me.
Now there came a time when it was my turn to pay. And the government gave me a discount for being married, for having kids, for owning a home, for being charitable, for....
Elsewhere there were Americans with not enough food, with poor schools, who did not own homes. And if anything I did or I paid or anything I will continue to do or continue to pay can make their time a bit easier I don't object. My path has been easy in many ways. I was lucky to be born with a lot of advantages others didn't have. I recognize it is not a level playing field right from the opening whistle. That's why I vote against my economic self interest and for a nation where goodness is more important than greed.

Maybe the best post I've read on this site ever. It's easy to forget all the benefits we've had in the past and easy to become selfish once we've gotten to where we want to be. Too bad so many republicans want to pull the ladder up after they've gotten up. I always wonder how they can call themselves a Christian (and most really do believe they are acting Christ like) when they act in such hateful and selfish ways.

[Guest]

Maybe the best post I've read on this site ever. It's easy to forget all the benefits we've had in the past and easy to become selfish once we've gotten to where we want to be. Too bad so many republicans want to pull the ladder up after they've gotten up. I always wonder how they can call themselves a Christian (and most really do believe they are acting Christ like) when they act in such hateful and selfish ways.

I understand that "I got mine now you get yours mentality" if you are in the lower 90%. I don't agree but I understand.

But why protect the 1% so heartedly? Why does Buffet and Gates give it all away while others in their bracket do all that they can to keep it? Where are their values? Why are they defended?

I read that Putin might be worth 3 times what Gates is worth. Is he also defended by the bottom 90% in his country? Is that just what all people do?

What did Gates and Buffet do that was so positive for mankind? I think they realized they were in the right place and the right time and want to feel good before they die about how they tried to make the world a better place with the wealth they earned or lucked into. Gates also said that if his kids have too much money it is more likely to ruin their life then improve it. I think that's true. After all, why are they are entitled to all that money?

Just some questions that doesn't really matter. I've heard all the hidden agenda Gates talk before so consider it said. I think he's a good man.

[Guest]

Maybe the best post I've read on this site ever. It's easy to forget all the benefits we've had in the past and easy to become selfish once we've gotten to where we want to be. Too bad so many republicans want to pull the ladder up after they've gotten up. I always wonder how they can call themselves a Christian (and most really do believe they are acting Christ like) when they act in such hateful and selfish ways.


Hammering away at the christians again with more distorted, suit your purpose only BS!

[Guest]

Hammering away at the christians again with more distorted, suit your purpose only BS!

I don't have a problem with Christians. Actually, I know a few I actually respect. You know, the ones who walk the walk. Unfortunately, most are only Christian on Sunday mornings.

Sorry if I struck a nerve.

[Guest]

I don't have a problem with Christians. Actually, I know a few I actually respect. You know, the ones who walk the walk. Unfortunately, most are only Christian on Sunday mornings.

Sorry if I struck a nerve.

And, what are you on Sunday mornings? Just another Liberal?

[Guest]

I got a pretty good inclination who the Pope is voting for. I know. He's already got a wall.
Apparently it's not the most original of ideas. There's a pretty good chance Mexico paid for it too.

[Guest]

I don't have a problem with Christians. Actually, I know a few I actually respect. You know, the ones who walk the walk. Unfortunately, most are only Christian on Sunday mornings.

Sorry if I struck a nerve.

Wrong as usual on most counts.
Fantasizing all the time is not good for a person!

[Guest]

I would like to make a constructive comment in the hopes you may learn from it. When you suggest President Obama is a Kenyan, any reader with a high school education or greater will dismiss you as a total fool. Even if you make intelligent comments (which you didn't) in the remainder of your post people will not see you as credible. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Dear Guest: I address you directly and only you because your post was the most civil when responding to my reference to Obama and Kenya.

Far too many progressives are reactionary and absolute. Far too many progressives are elitist in their thinking and as such quickly dismiss the thoughts of others. Its why free speech in universities is well no longer free speech where trigger warnings and micro aggressions carry safe spaces for students who abhor the history of angry old white men.

My case in point is the very title of this post. I was accused of being a "birther" and that was the only civil word used to describe me.

Apparently the worlds of figuratively and literally get co-mingled with progressives? Did I not say "despite the definition of natural born" . Did I not mean and did I not say that while Obama may be a natural born citizen eligible for presidential election meaning he is of mind and soul an internationalist and has shown how he relates more to Kenya then America. You believe me wrong then why is he intent on such radical change for America? Why does he use every means available legally or illegally, constitutionally or unconstitutionally to transform the only super power remaining to just another country?

I am a citizen with the mind set of Justice Scalia and abhor anyone either progressive or conservative that I view as being harmful to our democracy.

In both my personal and business lives I never needed to be right but I needed to do right. I had listened to my wife, children friends employees and if they could convince me of another way better than mine I moved in their direction. Unfortunately in the progressive world, for too many, its their way or the highway.

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Maybe the best post I've read on this site ever. It's easy to forget all the benefits we've had in the past and easy to become selfish once we've gotten to where we want to be. Too bad so many republicans want to pull the ladder up after they've gotten up. I always wonder how they can call themselves a Christian (and most really do believe they are acting Christ like) when they act in such hateful and selfish ways.


What is hateful about not being forced to give your earned wealth away? What do liberals know about being Christian? Being Christian has nothing to do with a requirement of giving to charity. That is a result of being a Christian, an attribute, but not a requirement. Even Christ said "if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, but if you teach him to fish, he feeds himself for life." or something similar to that. Please don't suggest that you know something when you really don't understand it. You attempt to use what you perceive as a weakness to get under a conservative's skin.

The problem with liberals is that they believe that we are our brother's keepers. We are not. In America, you have the same right to excel as the next guy. We are not all equal but we are treated equal with equal rights. What you do with your right is your privilege, not an obligation. A wealthy person is not obligated to give his money away. In America, one should never be forced to give away his wealth so that the lazy or unfortunate can live a better lifestyle. That attitude is what caused the first settlers to our country to fail miserably, a result of trying to incorporate the Mayflower Compact ( a socialist mandate).

Our lower class lives as well as middle class in socialist countries. That is a fact. I have been to other countries, and lived in other countries and have seen how their middle class live.

To feel that one is entitled to what others earn, is pure idiocy. You have no right or entitlement to someone else's labor, investment or inheritance. To suggest that the wealthy owe someone else because they might be Christian, is just assuming. You assume that ALL conservatives are Christian. They may well be, but that doesn't obligate them. Everyone practices their faith in a different manner. It is not for you to criticize that faith. Maybe, since you feel that conservatives are all Christian, that is why conservatives feel that ALL liberals are atheists.

[Guest]

We are attempting to reason with unreasonable people. It is a waste of time.

Their purpose is to cause consternation and disruption of any subject at hand.

The master baiter's tool is to always include a shot at christianity or political leaning to incite anger.

Since we do not have a blocking mechanism the best treatment of their clutter to to not engage. They would soon give up with no one to tangle with.

They would then revert back to playing multiple guest posts with differing views to give the appearance of what they want presented in self generated counterpoint.

[Guest]

Dear Guest: I address you directly and only you because your post was the most civil when responding to my reference to Obama and Kenya.

Far too many progressives are reactionary and absolute. Far too many progressives are elitist in their thinking and as such quickly dismiss the thoughts of others. Its why free speech in universities is well no longer free speech where trigger warnings and micro aggressions carry safe spaces for students who abhor the history of angry old white men.

My case in point is the very title of this post. I was accused of being a "birther" and that was the only civil word used to describe me.

Apparently the worlds of figuratively and literally get co-mingled with progressives? Did I not say "despite the definition of natural born" . Did I not mean and did I not say that while Obama may be a natural born citizen eligible for presidential election meaning he is of mind and soul an internationalist and has shown how he relates more to Kenya then America. You believe me wrong then why is he intent on such radical change for America? Why does he use every means available legally or illegally, constitutionally or unconstitutionally to transform the only super power remaining to just another country?

I am a citizen with the mind set of Justice Scalia and abhor anyone either progressive or conservative that I view as being harmful to our democracy.

In both my personal and business lives I never needed to be right but I needed to do right. I had listened to my wife, children friends employees and if they could convince me of another way better than mine I moved in their direction. Unfortunately in the progressive world, for too many, its their way or the highway.

Personal Best Regards:

Mr. PBR has gone off the deep end with an array of illogical phrases and no substance at all. Once again, mr. PBR has embarassed himself with a post and shown that he is no longer relevant. It is sad to see how minds go downhill so quickly with advanced age in some people.

[Guest]

Mr. PBR has gone off the deep end with an array of illogical phrases and no substance at all. Once again, mr. PBR has embarassed himself with a post and shown that he is no longer relevant. It is sad to see how minds go downhill so quickly with advanced age in some people.

And you, little troll are throwing stones? Better move out of that glass shack, if you intend to throw stones, little buddy. If you don't agree, most adults will counter with their own opinion. Do you even have one?

[Guest]

Mr. PBR has gone off the deep end with an array of illogical phrases and no substance at all. Once again, mr. PBR has embarassed himself with a post and shown that he is no longer relevant. It is sad to see how minds go downhill so quickly with advanced age in some people.
Agree to disagree with his opinion. Why are you trying to hurt the man? Are you an adult who lives here? Or some 8th grader who doesn't realize yet that words have meaning.

[Guest]

Mr. PBR has gone off the deep end with an array of illogical phrases and no substance at all. Once again, mr. PBR has embarassed himself with a post and shown that he is no longer relevant. It is sad to see how minds go downhill so quickly with advanced age in some people.

You are just another IRRELEVANT internet troll. Why don't you spread your Liberal hate somewhere else?

[Guest]

You are just another IRRELEVANT internet troll. Why don't you spread your Liberal hate somewhere else?

:agree:....:thumbup:

[Guest]

Obama and the socialist cabal have destroyed the middle class. If you want to see a resurgence of those in the middle then you need a capitalistic economy. There is nothing at all complicated about that.

The start of the downfall of the middle class started during the reagan years. He taught the companies how to destroy the unions with the air traffic controllers. The companies kept their unions, chamber of commerce ect., but the commoners lost all theirs. When the unions were strong this country had its best years, check it out.

[Guest]

What is hateful about not being forced to give your earned wealth away? What do liberals know about being Christian? Being Christian has nothing to do with a requirement of giving to charity. That is a result of being a Christian, an attribute, but not a requirement. Even Christ said "if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, but if you teach him to fish, he feeds himself for life." or something similar to that. Please don't suggest that you know something when you really don't understand it. You attempt to use what you perceive as a weakness to get under a conservative's skin.

The problem with liberals is that they believe that we are our brother's keepers. We are not. In America, you have the same right to excel as the next guy. We are not all equal but we are treated equal with equal rights. What you do with your right is your privilege, not an obligation. A wealthy person is not obligated to give his money away. In America, one should never be forced to give away his wealth so that the lazy or unfortunate can live a better lifestyle. That attitude is what caused the first settlers to our country to fail miserably, a result of trying to incorporate the Mayflower Compact ( a socialist mandate).

Our lower class lives as well as middle class in socialist countries. That is a fact. I have been to other countries, and lived in other countries and have seen how their middle class live.

To feel that one is entitled to what others earn, is pure idiocy. You have no right or entitlement to someone else's labor, investment or inheritance. To suggest that the wealthy owe someone else because they might be Christian, is just assuming. You assume that ALL conservatives are Christian. They may well be, but that doesn't obligate them. Everyone practices their faith in a different manner. It is not for you to criticize that faith. Maybe, since you feel that conservatives are all Christian, that is why conservatives feel that ALL liberals are atheists.

Dear Guest: The message from Bernie Sanders is anti christian because a) it ignores Christians beliefs that work is a blessing and b) because work allows a person to be self-sufficient. In that same vein Jesus taught us to love one another and to be charitable .

Bernie violates God' law when speaking about the 1% because he goes against God's commandment that thou shall not covet thy neighbors'goods

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

I understand that "I got mine now you get yours mentality" if you are in the lower 90%. I don't agree but I understand.

But why protect the 1% so heartedly? Why does Buffet and Gates give it all away while others in their bracket do all that they can to keep it? Where are their values? Why are they defended?

I read that Putin might be worth 3 times what Gates is worth. Is he also defended by the bottom 90% in his country? Is that just what all people do?

What did Gates and Buffet do that was so positive for mankind? I think they realized they were in the right place and the right time and want to feel good before they die about how they tried to make the world a better place with the wealth they earned or lucked into. Gates also said that if his kids have too much money it is more likely to ruin their life then improve it. I think that's true. After all, why are they are entitled to all that money?

Just some questions that doesn't really matter. I've heard all the hidden agenda Gates talk before so consider it said. I think he's a good man.

Dear Guest: What you ignore in your comments are the reality of economics. Gates and Buffet created wealth and along the way created jobs for those 90% you reference. I personally believe that actors and athletes are over paid but from an economic standpoint profits flow.

They are good at creating a demand and great at filling the demand they create. You have that same opportunity

Fairness is an elusive term.

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Mr. PBR has gone off the deep end with an array of illogical phrases and no substance at all. Once again, mr. PBR has embarassed himself with a post and shown that he is no longer relevant. It is sad to see how minds go downhill so quickly with advanced age in some people.

Dear Guest:
Your comments conveniently carry us away from the topic of our conversation. I don't much care what you think of me but I do object to your characterization of people of advanced age having cognitive disabilities. Its mean spirited.

However the comments directed at me are hilarious . Thanks for a good laugh I needed one . Perhaps you should start a thread and call it five easy lessons on how to be a troll. I'll offer step one to get you started. Step 1 "There is no sense being a troll unless you can act like one."

Personal Best Regard:

[Guest]

Dear Guest: The message from Bernie Sanders is anti christian because a) it ignores Christians beliefs that work is a blessing and b) because work allows a person to be self-sufficient. In that same vein Jesus taught us to love one another and to be charitable .

Bernie violates God' law when speaking about the 1% because he goes against God's commandment that thou shall not covet thy neighbors'goods

Personal Best Regards:
The top 1% is richer than Caesar. I don't want 90% of the population looking forward to the afterlife while working Walmart kinds of jobs and hoping or your children don't get sick and your water is safe to drink.

In that same vein Jesus taught us to love one another and to be charitable .

[Guest]

Hammering away at the christians again with more distorted, suit your purpose only BS!

Truth hurts doesn't it?

[Guest]

The top 1% is richer than Caesar. I don't want 90% of the population looking forward to the afterlife while working Walmart kinds of jobs and hoping or your children don't get sick and your water is safe to drink.

In that same vein Jesus taught us to love one another and to be charitable .

What are you prepared to do about it, vote for Hillary Clinton? Hillary, if elected, will be Obama's third term. And, the income gap has only widened under Obama's "leadership".

[Guest]

Dear Guest: I address you directly and only you because your post was the most civil when responding to my reference to Obama and Kenya.

Far too many progressives are reactionary and absolute. Far too many progressives are elitist in their thinking and as such quickly dismiss the thoughts of others. Its why free speech in universities is well no longer free speech where trigger warnings and micro aggressions carry safe spaces for students who abhor the history of angry old white men.

My case in point is the very title of this post. I was accused of being a "birther" and that was the only civil word used to describe me.

Apparently the worlds of figuratively and literally get co-mingled with progressives? Did I not say "despite the definition of natural born" . Did I not mean and did I not say that while Obama may be a natural born citizen eligible for presidential election meaning he is of mind and soul an internationalist and has shown how he relates more to Kenya then America. You believe me wrong then why is he intent on such radical change for America? Why does he use every means available legally or illegally, constitutionally or unconstitutionally to transform the only super power remaining to just another country?

I am a citizen with the mind set of Justice Scalia and abhor anyone either progressive or conservative that I view as being harmful to our democracy.

In both my personal and business lives I never needed to be right but I needed to do right. I had listened to my wife, children friends employees and if they could convince me of another way better than mine I moved in their direction. Unfortunately in the progressive world, for too many, its their way or the highway.

Personal Best Regards:

Scalia was a bigot, you by your posts have made that known, so I can see where you identify with him.

[Guest]

What are you prepared to do about it, vote for Hillary Clinton? Hillary, if elected, will be Obama's third term. And, the income gap has only widened under Obama's "leadership".
Can you explain why the gap has widened? The rest of us will explain Obama's participation in this injustice.

[Guest]

Scalia was a bigot, you by your posts have made that known, so I can see where you identify with him.

Maybe you could enlighten us to the reasons you think Scalia was a bigot.

[Guest]

Can you explain why the gap has widened? The rest of us will explain Obama's participation in this injustice.

For starters, adding 11 million low-skilled, n-skilled workers to the labor force which serves to only stagnate the wages of all workers. I'm awaiting your explanation of Obama's participation.

[Guest]

For starters, adding 11 million low-skilled, n-skilled workers to the labor force which serves to only stagnate the wages of all workers. I'm awaiting your explanation of Obama's participation.
I guess I'm a libtard in your eyes. Please explain your point. Back it up with a resource and website that I can examine.

[Guest]

I guess I'm a libtard in your eyes. Please explain your point. Back it up with a resource and website that I can examine.

I'm still awaiting your response regarding Obama's participation.

[Guest]

I guess I'm a libtard in your eyes. Please explain your point. Back it up with a resource and website that I can examine.

Why don't you try a google search for: "Labor markets and unskilled workers".


I'm sorry, but I just don't have the time nor inclination to "try" to educate libatards.

[Guest]

Scalia was a bigot, you by your posts have made that known, so I can see where you identify with him.

Dear Guest: You do know that Justice Scalia is being touted as the greatest Justice to ever sit on the Supreme Court. You do know that Justice Scalia never let his personal bias interfere with matters of the law/Constitution.

You do know that Justice Scalia is irreplaceable.

But why do I bother? How's that thread on Five Easy Steps to becoming a troll going? Oops four I gave you Step 1 earlier

You may want to know that in my family we were required to debate religion and politics. As such my brother intentionally took the opposite point of view just for discussion sake. I know my brother and you my friend are not my brother. Do you watch "The View per chance"?

[Guest]

I guess I'm a libtard in your eyes. Please explain your point. Back it up with a resource and website that I can examine.

Numerous books had been written on this subject and you want someone to provide a resource and website that you can examine. You can't be serious.

[Guest]

Numerous books had been written on this subject and you want someone to provide a resource and website that you can examine. You can't be serious.

Liberals are definitely serious when asking you to jump through hoops so that they can laugh at you. They either know the truth and feign ignorance in order to disrupt the conversation, or are too lazy to counter with disputing facts. That's why they belong to the party of slavery, because they are so needy and really depend on the government for their very existence.

[Guest]

I have been out of town for the last couple of days and am saddened that this post has been relegated to childish name calling. It reminds me of years ago when a man, who was very angry with me, threatened physical violence. I said that we could fight if that is what he wanted but all that it would prove is that one of us could beat the other in a fight. It would not change any other part of the equation.

The name calling tells us all more about the name caller than it does about the one being targeted.

My preference, recognizing that we all (at least as of yet) have freedom of speech, is that we return to a more mature discussion.

tq

[Guest]

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What are you trying to say?

[Guest]

Yours definitely would be.

Your response makes no sense to me. I am the OP and I was just asking if I can edit any of my posts. Some of my grammar was not selected as carefully as it could/should have been. We can edit our posts on the "regular" blog. I was just wondering if our political posts can be edited.

[Guest]

Liberals are definitely serious when asking you to jump through hoops so that they can laugh at you. They either know the truth and feign ignorance in order to disrupt the conversation, or are too lazy to counter with disputing facts. That's why they belong to the party of slavery, because they are so needy and really depend on the government for their very existence.


You have nothing to support your argument.

[Guest]

You have nothing to support your argument.

Can you provide a link or website to support your statement that he has nothing to support his argument?:1rotfl:

[Guest]

Can you provide a link or website to support your statement that he has nothing to support his argument?:1rotfl:
"Make sure that no matter how the conversation goes, you always come out as the correct one. Twist their words, your previous words, and the stream of logic to always prove yourself right."
How to Defend Yourself With Words: 8 Steps (with Pictures) (http://www.wikihow.com/Defend-Yourself-With-Words)

[Guest]

TOTAL BS.

You know nothing about economics, :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

In fact, you know absolutely nothing about anything!

Please explain your expertise in the field of economics. Do you really believe half this country is entitled to live off the efforts of the other half & expect this country to survive? Get your head out of your a$$.

[Guest]

The start of the downfall of the middle class started during the reagan years. He taught the companies how to destroy the unions with the air traffic controllers. The companies kept their unions, chamber of commerce ect., but the commoners lost all theirs. When the unions were strong this country had its best years, check it out.
I worked in a union shop for 40 years, 12 as a union member and 28 as part of management. Union jobs in the private sector killed themselves as they forgot you need a customer willing to pay for that product you are making. Without that oft forgotten piece your high paying job is short lived when there is competition, as you can well see. Now the public sector is a different story as they have no competition so tax payers are on hook for the "good" high middle class wages you speak of.

[Guest]

I have been out of town for the last couple of days and am saddened that this post has been relegated to childish name calling. It reminds me of years ago when a man, who was very angry with me, threatened physical violence. I said that we could fight if that is what he wanted but all that it would prove is that one of us could beat the other in a fight. It would not change any other part of the equation.

The name calling tells us all more about the name caller than it does about the one being targeted.

My preference, recognizing that we all (at least as of yet) have freedom of speech, is that we return to a more mature discussion.

tq

Congrats on your letter to the editor in The Daily Sun today. Spot on!

[Guest]

Congrats on your letter to the editor in The Daily Sun today. Spot on!

I sincerely appreciate your comment. Thank you.

tq

[Guest]

I worked in a union shop for 40 years, 12 as a union member and 28 as part of management. Union jobs in the private sector killed themselves as they forgot you need a customer willing to pay for that product you are making. Without that oft forgotten piece your high paying job is short lived when there is competition, as you can well see. Now the public sector is a different story as they have no competition so tax payers are on hook for the "good" high middle class wages you speak of.That's the problem. Apple makes the iphone in China. Trump wants to know why can't they build it here. What would an iphone cost if they made it here?
Take a look at Apple and HP manufacturing in China. How would that work culture go over here?
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[Guest]

It was said on another thread that over 50 percent of Americans get some sort of government assistance and therefore will vote for Hillary Clinton.

It was not said what kind of government assistance this was. Consider the large percentage of Villagers who take an extra $15,000 property tax exemption due to being low income seniors. Consider the Villagers who get food from local food pantries due to the fact they cannot live on the survivors Social Security. Consider the large number of low income families in Wildwood and Lady Lake. Look at a large number of Villagers living in very low income housing on the Historic side and in the Rio Grande area of The Villages.

These are our neighbors. They will be voting for the Democrat nominee and not some man who says he wants to cut their benefits.

tq

[Guest]

It was said on another thread that over 50 percent of Americans get some sort of government assistance and therefore will vote for Hillary Clinton.

It was not said what kind of government assistance this was. Consider the large percentage of Villagers who take an extra $15,000 property tax exemption due to being low income seniors. Consider the Villagers who get food from local food pantries due to the fact they cannot live on the survivors Social Security. Consider the large number of low income families in Wildwood and Lady Lake. Look at a large number of Villagers living in very low income housing on the Historic side and in the Rio Grande area of The Villages.

These are our neighbors. They will be voting for the Democrat nominee and not some man who says he wants to cut their benefits.

tq

Pure speculation. I have no idea who my neighbors will be voting for and neither do you.

[Guest]

It was said on another thread that over 50 percent of Americans get some sort of government assistance and therefore will vote for Hillary Clinton.

It was not said what kind of government assistance this was. Consider the large percentage of Villagers who take an extra $15,000 property tax exemption due to being low income seniors. Consider the Villagers who get food from local food pantries due to the fact they cannot live on the survivors Social Security. Consider the large number of low income families in Wildwood and Lady Lake. Look at a large number of Villagers living in very low income housing on the Historic side and in the Rio Grande area of The Villages.

These are our neighbors. They will be voting for the Democrat nominee and not some man who says he wants to cut their benefits.

tq

Trump said that he would not change Social Security. He said that Obamacare costs the customer too much. He wants to make it easier to afford. Where did you get that he wants to cut their benefits. Who have you been talking to. I didn't vote for Trump. I voted against him, but he will probably be our candidate in the general election. I might not like him but I am not going to make up lies about him.

On the other hand, Bernie wants to increase EVERYONE's income/payroll taxes. That is so that lazy college kids, that want to party some before becoming adults, can skate for another four years without having a bill for it. They are stupid, of course because they will be paying for theirs and everyone else's college for the rest of their lives, if Bernie gets his way. Of course, he won't. He is just a looney. Hillary hides it a bit better, other than barking like a little dog. Of course, she tipped her hand the other day when she said she intended to put thousands out of work when she closes down all the coal mines.

[Guest]

Pure speculation. I have no idea who my neighbors will be voting for and neither do you.

It's not speculation, it's a proven fact. People don't vote to have their "benefits" cut. Have you ever asked your employer to lower your salary? Why do you think they would?

[Guest]

It's not speculation, it's a proven fact. People don't vote to have their "benefits" cut. Have you ever asked your employer to lower your salary? Why do you think they would?

Where and when did Donald Trump say that he would cut the "benefits" of Villiagers?

[Guest]

" Them Obama phones still work`n real good.......... "

[Guest]

Where and when did Donald Trump say that he would cut the "benefits" of Villiagers?

He didn't. Just more left wing lies generated because they have nothing major on him, to use against him in the election. We won't list all the things about Hillary and Bernie.

By the way, I heard Hillary giving a speech this week, where she said that she planned to shut down all coal mines and fire all the employees. That's worth putting thousands out of work. Nice touch from the left, when dealing with the middle class.....ha,ha. Bet she is not counting on votes from PA or WV.

[Guest]

It was said on another thread that over 50 percent of Americans get some sort of government assistance and therefore will vote for Hillary Clinton.

It was not said what kind of government assistance this was. Consider the large percentage of Villagers who take an extra $15,000 property tax exemption due to being low income seniors. Consider the Villagers who get food from local food pantries due to the fact they cannot live on the survivors Social Security. Consider the large number of low income families in Wildwood and Lady Lake. Look at a large number of Villagers living in very low income housing on the Historic side and in the Rio Grande area of The Villages.

These are our neighbors. They will be voting for the Democrat nominee and not some man who says he wants to cut their benefits.

tq

There seems to be a lot of poetic liscence taken or speculation.

I highlighted the one aspect that I think either you are not familiar with the details of those who populate what we affectionately call the historic side.
I have been here 12 years and have never ever heard of ANY part of TV to be considered low income.

I know several that live there and I can assure you it isn't because it is low income housing. The comment at best is undeserved prejudice. And does not do much for credibility.

All in my humble opinion.

[Guest]

Gotta laugh at that comment regarding "low income villagers, living on the historic side." Does that person understand that those folks are paying just as much for amenities as everyone else? The homes are bit cheaper in cost, but even those prices have gone up in the past couple of years. Low income??? What a laugh. If they were having it that hard, they could easily cut and run to a less expensive environment, outside of the Villages. Homes are less expensive for more home outside The Villages, and the prices for products are cheaper elsewhere. I hardly think that you could consider anyone living in The Villages as poverty level. Of course, if you own one of those multi-million dollar homes in The Villages, then I guess you might be tempted to think that everyone else is at the poverty level. I would hazard a guess that you would have to have a middle class income to live here, though.

[Guest]

It was said on another thread that over 50 percent of Americans get some sort of government assistance and therefore will vote for Hillary Clinton.

It was not said what kind of government assistance this was. Consider the large percentage of Villagers who take an extra $15,000 property tax exemption due to being low income seniors. Consider the Villagers who get food from local food pantries due to the fact they cannot live on the survivors Social Security. Consider the large number of low income families in Wildwood and Lady Lake. Look at a large number of Villagers living in very low income housing on the Historic side and in the Rio Grande area of The Villages.

These are our neighbors. They will be voting for the Democrat nominee and not some man who says he wants to cut their benefits.



tq



Just to make it clear. I did NOT type the above piece. Someone has chosen to use "tq". It is not my writing.

[Guest]

Gotta laugh at that comment regarding "low income villagers, living on the historic side." Does that person understand that those folks are paying just as much for amenities as everyone else? The homes are bit cheaper in cost, but even those prices have gone up in the past couple of years. Low income??? What a laugh. If they were having it that hard, they could easily cut and run to a less expensive environment, outside of the Villages. Homes are less expensive for more home outside The Villages, and the prices for products are cheaper elsewhere. I hardly think that you could consider anyone living in The Villages as poverty level. Of course, if you own one of those multi-million dollar homes in The Villages, then I guess you might be tempted to think that everyone else is at the poverty level. I would hazard a guess that you would have to have a middle class income to live here, though.



While this is repetitious I had nothing to do with the comment that you are referencing.

I have no problem with "taking heat" for whatever I may write but not interesting taking either credit or criticism for items that I have not been involved in.

tq

[Guest]

Our pet troll is trying to get attention again by using someone else's identity. He is good at playing this game. Nothing of substance to add, but still needing that little bit of attention that he can steal.

[Guest]

Our pet troll is trying to get attention again by using someone else's identity. He is good at playing this game. Nothing of substance to add, but still needing that little bit of attention that he can steal.

It makes a statement of the kind of person he or she is.

And hard up.

And frustrated at being on the losing side with choices like Clinton the felon or Bernie the socialist.

How sad.

[Guest]

It makes a statement of the kind of person he or she is.

And hard up.

And frustrated at being on the losing side with choices like Clinton the felon or Bernie the socialist.

How sad.

:agree:

[Guest]

Our pet troll is trying to get attention again by using someone else's identity. He is good at playing this game. Nothing of substance to add, but still needing that little bit of attention that he can steal.
1] The moderator knows who the pet troll is. Why can't he or she be identified?

2] Why would anyone sign their name or initials to a post when everyone else is wearing a ski mask or a hood?

[Guest]

Should the Virginia College kid in North Korea be released, sentenced to 15 years of hard time or we should give up something to get him released? What will Obama do and what would Trump do?

position one:
Of course it was a prank. Those are our values therefore they should be North Korea's values since we are on vacation.

position two
When in Rome......
Fifteen years of hard time.

position three
What kind of a stupid college administrator puts stupid college kids in harm's way? Put the ******* who decided college kids always use good judgement all the time in jail for fifteen years.

Which position is conservative, liberal or something that feels like common sense.?

[Guest]

Should the Virginia College kid in North Korea be released, sentenced to 15 years of hard time or we should give up something to get him released? What will Obama do and what would Trump do?

position one:
Of course it was a prank. Those are our values therefore they should be North Korea's values since we are on vacation.

position two
When in Rome......
Fifteen years of hard time.

position three
What kind of a stupid college administrator puts stupid college kids in harm's way? Put the ******* who decided college kids always use good judgement all the time in jail for fifteen years.

Which position is conservative, liberal or something that feels like common sense.?

And this the judgement of our young voters. Go figure.
Obama should do nothing. When the supreme leader fails at negotiation, it makes him appear weak. A consular officer should be sent in to see if he can negotiate a lighter sentence. That country has a very hard culture and they think of Americans as all being rich and spoiled. We should not trade anything in negotiating his release and he should definitely have to pay for this offense. This is an insult to their country as well as a theft/larceny. If they do release him, he should be punished back here, also.

I have had to negotiate the release from jail for our sailors at times when I worked for an Embassy. Foreign nationals look at ALL Americans as rich and spoiled. Some offenses seem trivial to us, but major insults to other cultures. An example is the slight of crossing one's legs and showing the other person the sole of your shoe while in conversation in a certain foreign country.

I am sure that this kid will learn his lesson. I hope he will not have to endure an extended stay in one of their prisons. He probably wouldn't make it.

[Guest]

1] The moderator knows who the pet troll is. Why can't he or she be identified?

2] Why would anyone sign their name or initials to a post when everyone else is wearing a ski mask or a hood?
1] My guess is that there is very little moderating going on in this forum. That is what makes it so fun for some.

2] Who would even want their screen name showing?

[Guest]

1] My guess is that there is very little moderating going on in this forum. That is what makes it so fun for some.

2] Who would even want their screen name showing?

You mean like yours??? :1rotfl:

A bit of tongue in cheek, Chi?

[Guest]

1] My guess is that there is very little moderating going on in this forum. That is what makes it so fun for some.

2] Who would even want their screen name showing?


Those who cannot justify their position/s or are embarrassed hide in anonymity.

[Guest]

Guess I should have added to the above that I publicly have no problem with my own personal positions. I recognize that I may be targeted but so be it.

tq

[Guest]

Those who cannot justify their position/s or are embarrassed hide in anonymity.
good answer,
Guest

[Guest]

Guess I should have added to the above that I publicly have no problem with my own personal positions. I recognize that I may be targeted but so be it.

tq
How do we know this is your own personal position? For all we know the real tq is watching the pros at Bay Hill instead of wasting his time on this thread.

[Guest]

I have had to negotiate the release from jail for our sailors at times when I worked for an Embassy.
thank-you for your service and opinion

I have heard that all kinds of people, professional athletes, scholars and artists live in the villages. Thank-you for living here and I hope someday we get put together in a pick-up fore-some.

[Guest]

How do we know this is your own personal position? For all we know the real tq is watching the pros at Bay Hill instead of wasting his time on this thread.

I do love the game of golf, in fact, I try to get in two or three rounds a week myself, but I am more concerned about the direction of our country. I may be wasting my time on this site, but if I can have even some small positive impact on anyone who reads this, then it is worth the time. I understand that many positions are abhorrent to some people, but that is their problem. I’ve also learned that name calling tells more about the name caller than the “callee”.

tq

[Guest]

I do love the game of golf, in fact, I try to get in two or three rounds a week myself, but I am more concerned about the direction of our country. I may be wasting my time on this site, but if I can have even some small positive impact on anyone who reads this, then it is worth the time. I understand that many positions are abhorrent to some people, but that is their problem. I’ve also learned that name calling tells more about the name caller than the “callee”.

tq

Or they could come to a meeting of The Villages Tea Party to hear in person. I believe you are an officer of the group? Always good to hear in person rather than just on a forum.

[Guest]

I do love the game of golf, in fact, I try to get in two or three rounds a week myself, but I am more concerned about the direction of our country. I may be wasting my time on this site, but if I can have even some small positive impact on anyone who reads this, then it is worth the time. I understand that many positions are abhorrent to some people, but that is their problem. I’ve also learned that name calling tells more about the name caller than the “callee”.

tq
My friend we will agree to disagree. My opinions are on the other side of the coin and like you there are many times that I feel like I am wasting my time. I golf about 10 times a week, once or twice a day yet I haven't improved for 50 years. I can't explain why I have hope that things will change. I just do.

[Guest]

At some point even alcoholics sober up!

Your speaking of yourself, of course.

[Guest]

I worked in a union shop for 40 years, 12 as a union member and 28 as part of management. Union jobs in the private sector killed themselves as they forgot you need a customer willing to pay for that product you are making. Without that oft forgotten piece your high paying job is short lived when there is competition, as you can well see. Now the public sector is a different story as they have no competition so tax payers are on hook for the "good" high middle class wages you speak of.

When you send jobs to other countries and make the goods with slave labor, is this what your calling competition? Additionally, companies are rewarded for doing this. We do forget to protect our own, but I guess this does not matter to you.

[Guest]

When you send jobs to other countries and make the goods with slave labor, is this what your calling competition?

Forget about slave labor who can compete with foreign minimum wage?

Additionally, companies are rewarded for doing this.
I didn't know that. What companies?

We do forget to protect our own,
How can you protect the factory worker if the customer is not willing to pay more than Walmart charges? And yet there are a lot of people that celebrate how brilliant the Waltons are because they are worth 144 billion dollars while their employees are getting food stamps. Can you see the connection? Isn't there something wrong?

[Guest]

When you send jobs to other countries and make the goods with slave labor, is this what your calling competition? Additionally, companies are rewarded for doing this. We do forget to protect our own, but I guess this does not matter to you.
I'm not sure I'm responsible for trade inbalance but I've got big shoulders. Consumers are the ultimate decision makers. For example go to one of the Villages golf shops and read all the tags on the $1000 club sets and see where they are made. What have you purchased in the last 5 years that was actually made in USA. You blame companies but I'll bet you have a dam small list. IMO