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Guest
03-14-2016, 12:26 PM
at his rally, but okays the use of force of anyone trying to stop the use of free speech.
Moron who stated otherwise seems to completely ignore the violence caused by his political brothers and sisters who tried(and partially succeeded)to halt Trump's right of free speech. Hypocrites!!!! Oddly enough the only violence in these elections are caused by the so called liberals who feel the only people who have a right to free speech are those that believe in their cause. The parallel is strangely like the nazi's in Germany.
Guest
03-14-2016, 12:47 PM
at his rally, but okays the use of force of anyone trying to stop the use of free speech.
Moron who stated otherwise seems to completely ignore the violence caused by his political brothers and sisters who tried(and partially succeeded)to halt Trump's right of free speech. Hypocrites!!!! Oddly enough the only violence in these elections are caused by the so called liberals who feel the only people who have a right to free speech are those that believe in their cause. The parallel is strangely like the nazi's in Germany.
You seem to have that backwards. You cannot hell bomb on an airplane or at an airport. Free speech is limited in many contexts. Donald Trump has set a tone of encouraging violence against protesters. He has done this for a while now. He is no Nazi nor are his opponents but he is responsible for some of the violence done by his supporters at his various rallies.
Guest
03-14-2016, 12:58 PM
so when to paid protestors/opposition come in with the express intent to interupt a rally or cause communicating problems they are not infringing on other peoples rights according to your perspective......WRONG!
And if in the heat of the disruption the protestors get physical? Do you expect those being affected to just stand idly by and allow it? Of course not.
If you were there and somebody pushed or knocked you or yur wife down what would you do?
Check to see whether they were R or D?
The protestors are in the wrong.
So why the :swear: do some of you act so :censored: stupid in their defense.
You are not invested or involved. All you have to do is follow the talking points directive while other Americans are being injured and defending the antagonistic thugs.
Guest
03-14-2016, 01:49 PM
You seem to have that backwards. You cannot hell bomb on an airplane or at an airport. Free speech is limited in many contexts. Donald Trump has set a tone of encouraging violence against protesters. He has done this for a while now. He is no Nazi nor are his opponents but he is responsible for some of the violence done by his supporters at his various rallies.
How can you say one thing and then be SO naive in the rest of your comment? Free Speech does not mean that you can demonstrate on private property. Trump has every right to hold a rally without opposition disrupting it. When he is renting/paying for the venue, the radicals have to stay outside and can protest to their hearts content, but not inside. They are disturbing the peace and can be arrested. They have NO RIGHT to demonstrate at his rallies.
Trump is NOT responsible for someone else's actions. He is not responsible for violence unless he is paying someone to be violent. Even if he suggests violence, he is not responsible. These people are adults. They are responsible for themselves. I love the way you liberals turn it around. If a thug robs a store and gets shot, it is not the thug's fault, it's the police officer that shot him. If a demonstrator gets violent, it's Trump's fault. Only in a liberal mindset.
Guest
03-14-2016, 01:50 PM
so when to paid protestors/opposition come in with the express intent to interupt a rally or cause communicating problems they are not infringing on other peoples rights according to your perspective......WRONG!
And if in the heat of the disruption the protestors get physical? Do you expect those being affected to just stand idly by and allow it? Of course not.
If you were there and somebody pushed or knocked you or yur wife down what would you do?
Check to see whether they were R or D?
The protestors are in the wrong.
So why the :swear: do some of you act so :censored: stupid in their defense.
You are not invested or involved. All you have to do is follow the talking points directive while other Americans are being injured and defending the antagonistic thugs.
Do you have any proof that the protesters were paid? I'm think not. But then again what republican ever need proof. It's easier to just believe what you want to believe.
Go take a nap Archie Bunker.
Guest
03-14-2016, 06:08 PM
How can you say one thing and then be SO naive in the rest of your comment?
Trump is NOT responsible for someone else's actions. He is not responsible for violence unless he is paying someone to be violent. Even if he suggests violence, he is not responsible.
How can you be so naïve about the law? There are laws against inciting violence, calling for the overthrow of the government and many other forms of speech. It has absolutely nothing to do with payment or non-payment. If I tell you to beat someone up and I will pay your legal bills, that is potentially a criminal act.
Under federal law, a riot is a public disturbance involving an act of violence by one or more persons assembled in a group of at least three people. Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. It can apply to one who urges or instigates others to riot. According to 18 USCS § 2102 "to incite a riot", or "to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot", includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.”
If Trump's language is not criminal it is completely against any idea of civilization or discourse. The right to protest is central to our nation.
See Tea Party protests as an example. And no one was punched and no candidate or elected official suggested it as a strategy. But here was on tea party group's memo
tea partiers should "pack the hall... spread out" to make their numbers seem more significant, and to "rock-the-boat early in the Rep's presentation...to yell out and challenge the Rep's statements early.... to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda...stand up and shout and sit right back down."
So do you care to revise your opinion about payment being an element of the crime? Do you wish to revise your opinion about this being a left wing tactic? Of course not.
Guest
03-14-2016, 06:13 PM
Do you have any proof that the protesters were paid? I'm think not. But then again what republican ever need proof. It's easier to just believe what you want to believe.
Go take a nap Archie Bunker.
Never a discssion. Always in your face, insults and snide remarks.
Never having to do with the discussion.
Always having to do with hell raising instead of discussing.
And always ending with some sort of dated insulting. Which is the usual defining statement of the limitation of the poster.
Guest
03-14-2016, 08:51 PM
How can you say one thing and then be SO naive in the rest of your comment? Free Speech does not mean that you can demonstrate on private property. Trump has every right to hold a rally without opposition disrupting it. When he is renting/paying for the venue, the radicals have to stay outside and can protest to their hearts content, but not inside. They are disturbing the peace and can be arrested. They have NO RIGHT to demonstrate at his rallies.
Trump is NOT responsible for someone else's actions. He is not responsible for violence unless he is paying someone to be violent. Even if he suggests violence, he is not responsible. These people are adults. They are responsible for themselves. I love the way you liberals turn it around. If a thug robs a store and gets shot, it is not the thug's fault, it's the police officer that shot him. If a demonstrator gets violent, it's Trump's fault. Only in a liberal mindset.
You want to talk about naïve. Read this from a Republican.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/13/donald-trumps-chicago-scam/
Following the rally’s cancellation, Trump supporters expressed surprise at the number of protesters that were filling the lines and streaming into the event on a campus that is 25 percent Hispanic, 25 percent Asian and 8 percent black. William Daley, son of former Chicago mayor Richard J. Daley, did not share that surprise. “Whoever picked that location knew what they were doing as far as poking that sleeping dog there,”
Anyone with common sense could foresee what would happen Friday night. One would to assume Trump has common sense. Trump got the desired results that he was looking for by choosing that campus location for his rally.
It is worse than that. The turmoil started after Trump cancelled the rally. Everyone inside the rally was behaving before the cancellation. Trump is playing his own supporters like a fiddle.
Guest
03-14-2016, 09:05 PM
Never a discssion. Always in your face, insults and snide remarks.
Never having to do with the discussion.
Always having to do with hell raising instead of discussing.
And always ending with some sort of dated insulting. Which is the usual defining statement of the limitation of the poster.
I'll take that as a NO. You don't have proof. Gosh, who would have thunk it.
Guest
03-14-2016, 09:17 PM
You want to talk about naïve. Read this from a Republican.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/13/donald-trumps-chicago-scam/
Following the rally’s cancellation, Trump supporters expressed surprise at the number of protesters that were filling the lines and streaming into the event on a campus that is 25 percent Hispanic, 25 percent Asian and 8 percent black. William Daley, son of former Chicago mayor Richard J. Daley, did not share that surprise. “Whoever picked that location knew what they were doing as far as poking that sleeping dog there,”
Anyone with common sense could foresee what would happen Friday night. One would to assume Trump has common sense. Trump got the desired results that he was looking for by choosing that campus location for his rally.
It is worse than that. The turmoil started after Trump cancelled the rally. Everyone inside the rally was behaving before the cancellation. Trump is playing his own supporters like a fiddle.
Wow! How diabolical would that be to lure your supporters into an ambush just to make a point and take the night off. What I find suspicious is that Sanders seems to have a lot of support in that area and not Hillary. Some demonstrators are strictly anti-Trump and some are pro Sanders anti-Trump.
Unless I missed something.
Guest
03-14-2016, 10:48 PM
Do you have any proof that the protesters were paid? I'm think not. But then again what republican ever need proof. It's easier to just believe what you want to believe.
Go take a nap Archie Bunker.
Of course their is no proof. Remember this is a party who is going to nominate a guy who still to this day says Obama was not born in Hawaii.
Guest
03-15-2016, 06:31 AM
Trump cannot be charged with inciting a riot. You libtards exaggerate everything out of proportion. These instigators have entered a private rally with the INTENT to disrupt it. That is against most state laws. They have no right to Free Speech inside a private venue, period. To say Trump is responsible for the actions of idiot adults that have the intention of disruption, is like saying a girl is responsible for her rape by what she wears, or a person that leaves packages in his car is responsible for someone breaking into that car to steal from it. Only a libtard would suggest that Trump is responsible for the actions of other adults. And I have every right to clock someone that gets in my face, my personal space. Trump's people have escorted these perpetrators out of the building, and there has not been anyone hurt yet. As far as I am concerned, if a person enters the rally with the intent to disrupt it, then he is taking his chances at possibly getting injured. Same as with the police. If you resist arrest, you take a chance of getting clocked. If you libtards can't understand that, then you are retarded. Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from injury on private property, especially when you are not invited.
Guest
03-15-2016, 06:34 AM
I bet if a KKK member entered a NAACP meeting wearing a white robe and hood, liberals wouldn't have a problem if he was handled roughly.
Guest
03-15-2016, 06:51 AM
I want to hear what Trump has to say. The more he says the better we will get to know him. It's not like we have years of political experience to examine.
I also wish the disrupters would assemble outside.
Guest
03-15-2016, 07:46 AM
I want to hear what Trump has to say. The more he says the better we will get to know him. It's not like we have years of political experience to examine.
I also wish the disrupters would assemble outside.
Good post....:thumbup:
Guest
03-15-2016, 08:27 AM
Of course their is no proof. Remember this is a party who is going to nominate a guy who still to this day says Obama was not born in Hawaii.
Well, the liberals elected the current guy that thinks that ISIS is not the real enemy, but Global Warming really is. And the party that says global warming causes terrorism.
Guest
03-15-2016, 08:35 AM
Well, the liberals elected the current guy that thinks that ISIS is not the real enemy, but Global Warming really is. And the party that says global warming causes terrorism.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/16/bernie-s/fact-checking-bernie-sanders-comments-climate-chan/
Our ruling
Sanders said, "Climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism."
We couldn’t find any evidence of a "direct" relationship between climate change and terrorism, though many reports have noted an indirect link. There are, of course, many other factors that contribute to terrorism, including religious and ethnic tensions and political repression.
We rate Sanders' claim Mostly False.
Guest
03-15-2016, 09:28 AM
And I have every right to clock someone that gets in my face, my personal space.
I will bet my law degree that you don't. This belief is surprisingly common among authoritarianists. I suggest that you try out your "right to clock someone" and see how it goes. Get off my lawn or I'll clock you. I can see the headline. I suppose your approach is better than I'll shoot you.
Guest
03-15-2016, 10:05 AM
I will bet my law degree that you don't. This belief is surprisingly common among authoritarianists. I suggest that you try out your "right to clock someone" and see how it goes. Get off my lawn or I'll clock you. I can see the headline. I suppose your approach is better than I'll shoot you.
I don't know what state you are from, but if someone gets in your face, within your personal space, and you deck him it will most likely be construed as self-defense. Spitting on someone is considered assault. I consider someone that close as being threatening and will defend myself. If you don't like it, then don't expect to force yourself on me if you are not willing to accept the consequences. It's about time that liberals learn some manners, and not totally rely on PC. Some of us are too old to worry about PC. If something I say bothers you, then ask me to explain it. Don't try to outlaw my freedom of speech. And don't rely on freedom of speech on private property or private functions. If I pay to enter a function, I do not want to hear your issues with the activity. If you don't like it, don't go. If you wish to protest it, then stay outside and practice your free speech properly. If you break the law with disorderly conduct, don't complain about the negative results. I am a peaceful person and do not condone violence. BUT, I do not like bullies, and I consider disrupters to be bullies. If I pay for entertainment or a service, then anyone interrupting that needlessly will have to pay me for the time they stole from me.
Guest
03-15-2016, 11:57 AM
Trump cannot be charged with inciting a riot. You libtards exaggerate everything out of proportion. These instigators have entered a private rally with the INTENT to disrupt it. That is against most state laws. They have no right to Free Speech inside a private venue, period. To say Trump is responsible for the actions of idiot adults that have the intention of disruption, is like saying a girl is responsible for her rape by what she wears, or a person that leaves packages in his car is responsible for someone breaking into that car to steal from it. Only a libtard would suggest that Trump is responsible for the actions of other adults. And I have every right to clock someone that gets in my face, my personal space. Trump's people have escorted these perpetrators out of the building, and there has not been anyone hurt yet. As far as I am concerned, if a person enters the rally with the intent to disrupt it, then he is taking his chances at possibly getting injured. Same as with the police. If you resist arrest, you take a chance of getting clocked. If you libtards can't understand that, then you are retarded. Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from injury on private property, especially when you are not invited.
So, Joe Scarborough is a liberal. I guess someone should tell him that, or better yet someone should tell Trump Joe is a liberal. Then, Trump would stop calling him to get free TV time, at least once a week.
The private property was on a college campus, that is only 42% white. Also, his support isn't young white college students, that is Bernie Sanders country. Then, Trump blames Bernie for the confrontation. Even worse, Trump tries to float the total nonsense that Bernie paid people to start a riot.
With Trump, it is all free air time. It doesn't matter how he gets it. Like Scarborough stated everything he does is staged like a reality show.
The college should not have rented the private property to Trump in the first place.
Joe Scarborough also calling Trump a day trader. The things that he is doing now will work short term, but hurt him long term, if he is the Republican nominee.
Guest
03-15-2016, 12:11 PM
I don't know what state you are from, but if someone gets in your face, within your personal space, and you deck him it will most likely be construed as self-defense. Spitting on someone is considered assault. I consider someone that close as being threatening and will defend myself. If you don't like it, then don't expect to force yourself on me if you are not willing to accept the consequences. It's about time that liberals learn some manners, and not totally rely on PC. Some of us are too old to worry about PC. If something I say bothers you, then ask me to explain it. Don't try to outlaw my freedom of speech. And don't rely on freedom of speech on private property or private functions. If I pay to enter a function, I do not want to hear your issues with the activity. If you don't like it, don't go. If you wish to protest it, then stay outside and practice your free speech properly. If you break the law with disorderly conduct, don't complain about the negative results. I am a peaceful person and do not condone violence. BUT, I do not like bullies, and I consider disrupters to be bullies. If I pay for entertainment or a service, then anyone interrupting that needlessly will have to pay me for the time they stole from me.
Trump is kicking people out of his private functions, because of the color of their skin. Some of these young black kids didn't say a word even when they were being thrown out. People aren't paying to get into Trump's functions.
People want to hear what Trump says. Why? Politico did a fact check on several of Trump's speeches, and he lies an average of every five minutes.
Trump is offering a "service"! Service is sometimes defined as what the bull gives the cow.
Guest
03-15-2016, 01:37 PM
How can you say one thing and then be SO naive in the rest of your comment? Free Speech does not mean that you can demonstrate on private property. Trump has every right to hold a rally without opposition disrupting it. When he is renting/paying for the venue, the radicals have to stay outside and can protest to their hearts content, but not inside. They are disturbing the peace and can be arrested. They have NO RIGHT to demonstrate at his rallies.
Trump is NOT responsible for someone else's actions. He is not responsible for violence unless he is paying someone to be violent. Even if he suggests violence, he is not responsible. These people are adults. They are responsible for themselves. I love the way you liberals turn it around. If a thug robs a store and gets shot, it is not the thug's fault, it's the police officer that shot him. If a demonstrator gets violent, it's Trump's fault. Only in a liberal mindset.
So paying the legal bill for that idiot who sucker punched that protester is okay. He is as responsible as the guy who did the assault. Grow up, your not in grade school, or are you?
Guest
03-15-2016, 02:13 PM
Trump is kicking people out of his private functions, because of the color of their skin. Some of these young black kids didn't say a word even when they were being thrown out. People aren't paying to get into Trump's functions.
People want to hear what Trump says. Why? Politico did a fact check on several of Trump's speeches, and he lies an average of every five minutes.
Trump is offering a "service"! Service is sometimes defined as what the bull gives the cow.
Actually he is only trying to show he can speak like a politician.
Remember they lie a lot more than 5 times a day. In fact it has been stated as long as a politicians lips are moving they are lying.
Clinton demonstrate that every waking moment that her lips are moving.
Guest
03-15-2016, 02:25 PM
Actually he is only trying to show he can speak like a politician.
Remember they lie a lot more than 5 times a day. In fact it has been stated as long as a politicians lips are moving they are lying.
Clinton demonstrate that every waking moment that her lips are moving.
I want to hear Trump speak. I want to hear Sarah Parlin introduce him at every rally. You never know what's coming next. Long live the GOP!
Guest
03-15-2016, 03:26 PM
So paying the legal bill for that idiot who sucker punched that protester is okay. He is as responsible as the guy who did the assault. Grow up, your not in grade school, or are you?
That is a stupid comment. And I only use that statement as recourse for your childish reply. The guy that sucker punched the guy that was being led out was wrong, because it was a cheap shot. People get fed up with these PAID disruptions. I didn't see anything wrong with a BILLIONAIRE thinking about paying that guy's fine, since the guy paid to see Trump. Yes, it is "okay" to offer to pay the guy's fine. That is not necessarily saying he encourages it. As a matter of fact, subsequent functions, he has repeatedly said "don't hurt him" when so many of the paid agitators were being bounced out of his functions. It is you that needs to grow up and realize that you don't go into a theater and yell "fire" and you don't start shouting and disrupting a political rally. If you do, then you deserve what happens to you. If you look, you will see that these are not old men or women. These are young, paid disruptors.
Guest
03-15-2016, 03:34 PM
Trump is kicking people out of his private functions, because of the color of their skin. Some of these young black kids didn't say a word even when they were being thrown out. People aren't paying to get into Trump's functions.
People want to hear what Trump says. Why? Politico did a fact check on several of Trump's speeches, and he lies an average of every five minutes.
Trump is offering a "service"! Service is sometimes defined as what the bull gives the cow.
That's a stupid remark about race. Not only are you lying, but that's just stupid and you know it. Why would you say something that is so stupid. And Trump is paying for the venue so it is considered private property. Regardless of the nature of his speech, and whether it is fact checked or not, that doesn't give anyone the right to disrupt his function. If you think different, then you are an idiot. And idiot that would have a tantrum if someone interrupted you when you were speaking.
You don't have to like Trump. You have to accept him as a legitimate candidate though. Just like I don't have to like Hillary the criminal or Bernie the perverted commie. The people will decide who lives in the White House next year. Like I have said before, I didn't vote for Trump, but that won't matter. I will vote for him when he goes to the general election, because I won't vote for that traitorous criminal Hillary.
Guest
03-15-2016, 04:21 PM
That's a stupid remark about race. Not only are you lying, but that's just stupid and you know it. Why would you say something that is so stupid. And Trump is paying for the venue so it is considered private property. Regardless of the nature of his speech, and whether it is fact checked or not, that doesn't give anyone the right to disrupt his function. If you think different, then you are an idiot. And idiot that would have a tantrum if someone interrupted you when you were speaking.
You don't have to like Trump. You have to accept him as a legitimate candidate though. Just like I don't have to like Hillary the criminal or Bernie the perverted commie. The people will decide who lives in the White House next year. Like I have said before, I didn't vote for Trump, but that won't matter. I will vote for him when he goes to the general election, because I won't vote for that traitorous criminal Hillary.
I am an idiot. Take a good look at the attached, and tell me who the real idiot is.
videos of people getting kicked out trump rallies - Bing video (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=videos+of+people+getting+kicked+out+trump +rallies&qpvt=videos+of+people+getting+kicked+out++Trump+ra llies&FORM=VDRE)
Guest
03-15-2016, 05:41 PM
People want to hear what Trump says. Why? Politico did a fact check on several of Trump's speeches, and he lies an average of every five minutes.
That is exactly why he should not be interrupted. Remember how much fun it is to hear a Sarah Palin speech. Think of all we would have missed if she didn't have a chance to speak.
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