Homeowner walks in on 2 burglars

[Chatbrat]

Just read on the online paper that a homeowner, walked in on 2 burglars.
The homeowner left his residence & returns an half hour later & there were two
bad guys in his house.

Another reason to get a carry permit & carry all the time.

[Walter123]

Just read on the online paper that a homeowner, walked in on 2 burglars.
The homeowner left his residence & returns an half hour later & there were two
bad guys in his house.

Another reason to get a carry permit & carry all the time.

Agreed.

[redwitch]

The is any property really worth the death of another human? Sorry, I'd be running out of the house faster than the burglars. If they start to come after me, then I'll shoot. Otherwise, I'll let the Sheriff handle it.

As the online news reported, the two burglars were masked and fled the second they saw the homeowner.

[Walt.]

Burglars? Why so harsh? It was probably the parents of some starving young child who were driven from their homes by poverty brought on by some cruel businessman (who looks a lot like the guy from the Monopoly game). They were just about to take a sandwich from the refrigerator (for their child) when the homeowner showed up. Before they could explain (and give a post-dated check for the food), the misguided homeowner jumped to conclusions and thought the worst. I think he should apologize.

[Walter123]

[QUOTE=redwitch;1198611]The is any property really worth the death of another human? Sorry, I'd be running out of the house faster than the burglars. If they start to come after me, then I'll shoot. Otherwise, I'll let the Sheriff handle it.

I agree.

Shooting should always be your last choice but it is good to have that choice.

[Walter123]

Burglars? Why so harsh? It was probably the parents of some starving young child who were driven from their homes by poverty brought on by some cruel businessman (who looks a lot like the guy from the Monopoly game). They were just about to take a sandwich from the refrigerator (for their child) when the homeowner showed up. Before they could explain (and give a post-dated check for the food), the misguided homeowner jumped to conclusions and thought the worst. I think he should apologize.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

[Chatbrat]

When You startle a bad guy , hope you can shoot fast & straight- & remember to empty your weapon
When the LEO's show up-remember the following statement, " I will cooperate with you 100 % after my lawyer arrives" till then shut your mouth !!!

[kcrazorbackfan]

When You startle a bad guy , hope you can shoot fast & straight- & remember to empty your weapon
When the LEO's show up-remember the following statement, " I will cooperate with you 100 % after my lawyer arrives" till then shut your mouth !!!

And don't forget "I felt that my life and the life of my spouse was in imminent danger".

[tomwed]

What did the masks look like?
[I guess that's not too important.]

[buzzy]

Wait a minute. If they are in your house and you are outside, can't they use the castle doctrine to defend themselves? Possession is 9 tenth of the law.

[tomwed]

This happened while my son was attending:
Samurai Sword | Sword Fatal To Intruder - tribunedigital-baltimoresun (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2009-09-16/news/0909150076_1_samurai-sword-samurai-weapon-pontolillo)

The student got off. For a little while the student might have been charged since he had options. He could have just called the police. Instead he pursued the thief.

Is that the castle option?

[RickeyD]

[QUOTE=redwitch;1198611]The is any property really worth the death of another human? Sorry, I'd be running out of the house faster than the burglars. If they start to come after me, then I'll shoot. Otherwise, I'll let the Sheriff handle it.



I agree.



Shooting should always be your last choice but it is good to have that choice.


If it comes down to a last choice, is there a body part that will disable yet produce minimal blood loss ? My house, my rules.

[rubicon]

In Tennessee you can shoot an intruder in your home. Perhaps the same rule applies in Florida. I know how I would feel if I walked in on a burglar, violated, but I am not certain how I would react?

Do we know what this homeowner did or did not do?

[Chatbrat]

Say nothing -shoot to remove the threat--the police are not your friends in this kind of a situation-when they arrive -make sure you do not have any weapon in the hands & your hands are in plain sight over your head.

[graciegirl]

Say nothing -shoot to remove the threat--the police are not your friends in this kind of a situation-when they arrive -make sure you do not have any weapon in the hands & your hands are in plain sight over your head.





OH for Pete's sake.


There were two burglars in someone's home and they ran when the homeowners came back after having been gone a half an hour. All's well that ends well and fortunately the LEO's here caught the two gypsy burglars from last month. I believe in second amendment rights too, but some folks just love to boast about what macho men they are.


I am sure that many homeowners have guns and know how to use them and know when to use them and that makes me feel safe. I am a little concerned about people who appear eager to show off.


Common sense that is all, common sense. We are not in some nasty crime ridden place, Thank God. NOT YET.

[Sandtrap328]

OH for Pete's sake.


There were two burglars in someone's home and they ran when the homeowners came back after having been gone a half an hour. All's well that ends well and fortunately the LEO's here caught the two gypsy burglars from last month. I believe in second amendment rights too, but some folks just love to boast about what macho men they are.


I am sure that many homeowners have guns and know how to use them and know when to use them and that makes me feel safe. I am a little concerned about people who appear eager to show off.


Common sense that is all, common sense. We are not in some nasty crime ridden place, Thank God. NOT YET.

Excellent post ! :bigbow:

[Fred R]

I read comments like " if I see robbers I'll just run away and let the police handle it" or "is anyone's property worth the life of a human being" it just makes me sick to my stomach. I had no idea some folks were so gutless down here.....No wonder crime rates in this nation have gone crazy.

[outlaw]

I read comments like " if I see robbers I'll just run away and let the police handle it" or "is anyone's property worth the life of a human being" it just makes me sick to my stomach. I had no idea some folks were so gutless down here.....No wonder crime rates in this nation have gone crazy.

Wolves, Sheep, and Sheepdogs...

[Walter123]

OH for Pete's sake.


There were two burglars in someone's home and they ran when the homeowners came back after having been gone a half an hour. All's well that ends well and fortunately the LEO's here caught the two gypsy burglars from last month. I believe in second amendment rights too, but some folks just love to boast about what macho men they are.


I am sure that many homeowners have guns and know how to use them and know when to use them and that makes me feel safe. I am a little concerned about people who appear eager to show off.


Common sense that is all, common sense. We are not in some nasty crime ridden place, Thank God. NOT YET.

The trouble is that common sense isn't so common anymore and, it is distorted by just about everything that happens now-a-days. The situation dictates the action one must take.

[Taltarzac725]

OH for Pete's sake.


There were two burglars in someone's home and they ran when the homeowners came back after having been gone a half an hour. All's well that ends well and fortunately the LEO's here caught the two gypsy burglars from last month. I believe in second amendment rights too, but some folks just love to boast about what macho men they are.


I am sure that many homeowners have guns and know how to use them and know when to use them and that makes me feel safe. I am a little concerned about people who appear eager to show off.


Common sense that is all, common sense. We are not in some nasty crime ridden place, Thank God. NOT YET.

Thanks, GC.

Best option in my book would be if you have a cell phone start talking pictures and send them somewhere save as soon as possible.

I still remember the gun toting woman I know who heard a noise in the middle of the night, pulled out her revolver from the night stand, and shot her vacuum cleaner. Probably made her dog happy as he would not have to hear the vacuum cleaner for a while.

In the ten and a little years I have been in the Villages, I only remember maybe one instance when armed intruders came into a Villagers' home and these were actually friends of their live-in daughter who got into drugs.

Maybe, there were others that I have forgotten.

In Palm Harbor, I used to house sit for a couple who told me to mind the garden as a couple of bank robbers had possible tossed their weapon into it after being corned on the roof next door. This was at night if I remember correctly and the police chopper had a very intense light on the house next door. The sirens had woke up my old house sitting clients. The neighbor hood they are in has two law enforcement officers a few doors down on one side and up a few on the other.

The nearby middle school was also on the look out for where the wayward pistol may have gone.

Never knew what happened to the weapon of the bank robbers.

[eremite06]

How did everyone miss the story, Sunday's Sun, p.A23, two women mugged by an armed robber at Spanish Springs????

[outlaw]

How did everyone miss the story, Sunday's Sun, p.A23, two women mugged by an armed robber at Spanish Springs????

They didn't miss it. They just don't want to believe it.

[outlaw]

"Best option in my book would be if you have a cell phone start talking pictures and send them somewhere save as soon as possible.
"

SMH...:ohdear:

[Walter123]

How did everyone miss the story, Sunday's Sun, p.A23, two women mugged by an armed robber at Spanish Springs????

By luck that worked out for those woman. I told my wife to hand over her purse if that happens to her. I also bought her a non-lethal stun gun. The situation will dictate it's use.

[Walter123]

"Best option in my book would be if you have a cell phone start talking pictures and send them somewhere save as soon as possible.
"

SMH...:ohdear:

There are apps that will send the picture to whomever you want automatically as soon as you take it, provided you have an opportunity to take a picture which is unlikely in most cases.

[dave from deland]

Thanks, GC.

Best option in my book would be if you have a cell phone start talking pictures and send them somewhere save as soon as possible.

I still remember the gun toting woman I know who heard a noise in the middle of the night, pulled out her revolver from the night stand, and shot her vacuum cleaner. Probably made her dog happy as he would not have to hear the vacuum cleaner for a while.

In the ten and a little years I have been in the Villages, I only remember maybe one instance when armed intruders came into a Villagers' home and these were actually friends of their live-in daughter who got into drugs.

Maybe, there were others that I have forgotten.

In Palm Harbor, I used to house sit for a couple who told me to mind the garden as a couple of bank robbers had possible tossed their weapon into it after being corned on the roof next door. This was at night if I remember correctly and the police chopper had a very intense light on the house next door. The sirens had woke up my old house sitting clients. The neighbor hood they are in has two law enforcement officers a few doors down on one side and up a few on the other.

The nearby middle school was also on the look out for where the wayward pistol may have gone.

Never knew what happened to the weapon of the bank robbers.Bad choice to whip out your cell phone and start taking pictures. What if they are armed?. As they say, 'never bring a cell phone to a gun fight or even a knife fight'.

[Sandtrap328]

I would agree that the professionally installed alarm system is the best idea. When the alarmed area is entered, an 85db alarm sounds inside the house and a 120db alarm with flashing strobe outside goes on. No burglar is going to enter that property. He runs off!

[CFrance]

OH for Pete's sake.


There were two burglars in someone's home and they ran when the homeowners came back after having been gone a half an hour. All's well that ends well and fortunately the LEO's here caught the two gypsy burglars from last month. I believe in second amendment rights too, but some folks just love to boast about what macho men they are.


I am sure that many homeowners have guns and know how to use them and know when to use them and that makes me feel safe. I am a little concerned about people who appear eager to show off.


Common sense that is all, common sense. We are not in some nasty crime ridden place, Thank God. NOT YET.
You makin' a lotta common sense, girl.:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

[graciegirl]

How did everyone miss the story, Sunday's Sun, p.A23, two women mugged by an armed robber at Spanish Springs????



They were approached by an armed robber and they screamed and the bad guys ran away, just to keep the facts straight.


NOT mugged. Although it has happened. A couple bad people mugged a villager and grabbed her purse near Target a year or so ago. The three counties law enforcement worked together, used security camera footage and hunted them down in Orlando and they are now in the slammer. It wasn't their first rodeo.

[eremite06]

Someone pulls a gun on you, I call that mugged. "to waylay and assault with intent to rob."

[graciegirl]

Someone pulls a gun on you, I call that mugged.



I just looked it up and you are right.

[CritterLover]

MY house, family, pets, and stuff... If you come in uninvited, for any reason, God help you.

[rexxfan]

If you're capable of it, I see nothing wrong with being the first responder and defending your own property. If you're not, it would probably be better leave it to those that are.
--
Bob C

[Chatbrat]

The old NYPD saying,"better to be judged by 12 ,than carried out by six"

" you can always hire a lawyer, you can't hire a life"

In general we're too old to run or fight--

[graciegirl]

If you're capable of it, I see nothing wrong with being the first responder and defending your own property. If you're not, it would probably be better leave it to those that are.
--
Bob C



When there was a bunch of break ins last year I was getting all nervous and jerky until Sweetie said to me.


"What could they steal that would ruin our life?"


It is just stuff.

[Walter123]

I just looked it up and you are right.



Stop yelling! I'm grumpy today.:faint:

[Retiring]

.....

[rexxfan]

When there was a bunch of break ins last year I was getting all nervous and jerky until Sweetie said to me.


"What could they steal that would ruin our life?"


It is just stuff.

Personally I agree, though I do not have any really valuable and/or cherished things. I might feel differently if I did.
--
Bob C

[JoMar]

There are apps that will send the picture to whomever you want automatically as soon as you take it, provided you have an opportunity to take a picture which is unlikely in most cases.

Make sure you ask them to stand where you can get your best light and not to move so the pictures aren't blurred.

[rubicon]

I am inclined to agree with those who believe it is a mistake to flash a cell phone at a time like that. I mean what are you going to do take a "selfie"with them?

I am inclined to disagree with those who seem to be a bit flippant about this situation. Its a violation and it could lead to serious consequences. I think it is a big deal.

A woman who worked for me attended an event at the Fairgrounds and when returning to her car was met by a guy with a gun that relieved her of her pocketbook and then looked at her and told her to get in the back seat. She flat told him to shoot her because she would not comply turned so she would not be shot in the face and soon realize the guy disappeared.

The following morning she asked that I get a guy out to change every lock on her house and then she proceeded to erase any evidence of her existence in that city. Her husband wandered the streets for weeks looking for this guy. Finally she and her husband relocated to another city. I was relieved he never found the guy because he would have killed him

[Walter123]

Make sure you ask them to stand where you can get your best light and not to move so the pictures aren't blurred.

As I said, taking a picture is unlikely in most cases so stop being silly. Personally, I rarely carry my cell phone because I'm not that important. That would probably be one of the things they steal. LOL!

The upload app I mentioned has other uses though.

[flyerguy]

Make sure you ask them to stand where you can get your best light and not to move so the pictures aren't blurred.

Now that's Funny. :a040:

[flyerguy]

I know how I would feel if I walked in on a burglar, violated, but I am not certain how I would react?



This is a very honest answer. To many boast how easily they can pull the trigger and take down another human. Also, can you live with the effect it's gonna have on your life. Many of us have had to shoot an enemy(s) on the battle field, even though it is drilled into your head, "it's them or you" the after effects linger for a life time.

I'm not condoning or condemning weapon's in the home or on your person, just remember to get proper training and make sure you take refresher courses, believe me, you will become very stale if not. Also remember when you discharge your weapon in your home a round can go through a wall or window and hit your neighbor. Just be careful and know what your getting into.

[joldnol]

They were lucky the Burglars ran off. A professionally installed Alarm System would have prevented that from happening as well as protecting them while they are home. A good perimeter system will warn you before they get in and give you the jump on them.

that, or get a dog.........

[outlaw]

It's more than just about losing "stuff". Talk to people that have been burglarized, especially if they encountered the burglars. Some people can never get over it. It is a traumatic experience. Some people never again feel safe in that particular house, and end up moving. Others continue on, but may have trouble feeling comfortable/safe in their home. The after effects can last for years.

[joldnol]

It's more than just about losing "stuff". Talk to people that have been burglarized, especially if they encountered the burglars. Some people can never get over it. It is a traumatic experience. Some people never again feel safe in that particular house, and end up moving. Others continue on, but may have trouble feeling comfortable/safe in their home. The after effects can last for years.

yeah it's a pretty awful feeling. I got wiped out two months after finishing college. Lost all of my meager possessions and did not have renters insurance. I felt very violated knowing a stranger had gone through everything I owned.

[graciegirl]

yeah it's a pretty awful feeling. I got wiped out two months after finishing college. Lost all of my meager possessions and did not have renters insurance. I felt very violated knowing a stranger had gone through everything I owned.



I understood the point that my husband was making. At that time we would have felt differently than now. Now it is all just stuff. Things change. Cancer, deaths, huge events have happened to us since we were very young.

[Sandtrap328]

It's more than just about losing "stuff". Talk to people that have been burglarized, especially if they encountered the burglars. Some people can never get over it. It is a traumatic experience. Some people never again feel safe in that particular house, and end up moving. Others continue on, but may have trouble feeling comfortable/safe in their home. The after effects can last for years.

You are right. That is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder which can occur after a battlefield experience, a burglary or robbery, a house fire, etc.

However, if you walked into your house and saw a burglar, the best thing to do is run back outside and call the police.

IF you were carrying your handgun and pumped 9 rounds into his "10" ring effectively neutralizing him forever - just imagine the PTSD from that event. Chances are you would move from that house - and would have to disclose it to the realty agent.

Best advice - get a professionally installed alarm system and use it!

[Jima64]

Know how it feels. Woke to someone standing next to my bed gong through my wallet, years ago in San Francisco. To this day I wake up very startled at the slightest sound.

[outlaw]

You are right. That is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder which can occur after a battlefield experience, a burglary or robbery, a house fire, etc.

However, if you walked into your house and saw a burglar, the best thing to do is run back outside and call the police.

IF you were carrying your handgun and pumped 9 rounds into his "10" ring effectively neutralizing him forever - just imagine the PTSD from that event. Chances are you would move from that house - and would have to disclose it to the realty agent.

Best advice - get a professionally installed alarm system and use it!

Good point. I would hate to hurt my resale value. Not to mention the cost of bullets.

[Linda1021]

Do people have home alarm systems in their homes?

[graciegirl]

Do people have home alarm systems in their homes?



Yes. And many of us are camera'd up too.

[justjim]

In Tennessee you can shoot an intruder in your home. Perhaps the same rule applies in Florida. I know how I would feel if I walked in on a burglar, violated, but I am not certain how I would react?

Do we know what this homeowner did or did not do?

"Iam not certain how I would react" is a true and honest answer to walking in on a couple of burglars. Some of the posts I have read in this thread are ridiculous. Pulling out your gun (if your carrying) and start shooting is one of them. The truth is we can say "this and that" but you really don't know what you would do. In this instance, the burglars ran out the door. Nobody was hurt---all is well.

[Chatbrat]

All I can tell you is what happened to us ,when we were living on our boat- @ marina in the vicinity of Jupiter, a young man boarded our boat from the water, he was attempting to climb on our sun deck from the ladder that was on our swim platform- this was @ 4 AM- the laser sight on my revolver caught his attention-I told him if he decided to get on the deck, "I will kill you"- I was screaming for other boat owners to call 911-the Martin County deputy-told the young man-he was very lucky-that he did not die.

[graciegirl]

All I can tell you is what happened to us ,when we were living on our boat- @ marina in the vicinity of Jupiter, a young man boarded our boat from the water, he was attempting to climb on our sun deck from the ladder that was on our swim platform- this was @ 4 AM- the laser sight on my revolver caught his attention-I told him if he decided to get on the deck, "I will kill you"- I was screaming for other boat owners to call 911-the Martin County deputy-told the young man-he was very lucky-that he did not die.



I do not think that you will have much chance of pointing your gun at any burglars here... I guess it could happen.


You never know. Last year we had a bunch of breakins, but the LEO's caught most of them. This year I have heard of two. Last year only one set of homeowners was home. And thieves didn't wake them.


No need to get all excited....at this point. Don't borrow trouble.

[triton18]

I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Think about it.

[graciegirl]

I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Think about it.



I would certainly think about it if we lived in some nasty crime ridden place. Good grief.

[CFrance]

that, or get a dog.........
Not so sure. From what I have read, your savvy burglar caries some meat or other form of tasty treat to throw to the dog after they break in.

[goodtimesintv]

Shocking to see how naive people here seem to be concerned only about break-ins to steal material possessions/money.

Duhhhhh....there are vicious attackers that break in to rape and beat/stab victims to a pulp, too! That causes lifelong mental trauma, unlike material things that can be replaced and for which we have insurance.

[manaboutown]

A man I knew, a former member of the French Resistance, while awaiting his boat's turn to go through the Panama Canal, was confronted by two pirates off Colombia attempting to board his boat. He blew them away with a shotgun. Kudos to him!

[RickeyD]

A man I knew, a former member of the French Resistance, while awaiting his boat's turn to go through the Panama Canal, was confronted by two pirates off Colombia attempting to board his boat. He blew them away with a shotgun. Kudos to him!


Colombian Nazi pirates ?

[graciegirl]

Shocking to see how naive people here seem to be concerned only about break-ins to steal material possessions/money.

Duhhhhh....there are vicious attackers that break in to rape and beat/stab victims to a pulp, too! That causes lifelong mental trauma, unlike material things that can be replaced and for which we have insurance.



But that has not happened here. That has not happened here. That has not happened here.

There was a woman whose purse was stolen outside of Target a couple of years ago. The two thugs pushed her to the ground and she was hurt. The three combined county law enforcements worked together and traced the couple to Orlando from surveillance footage. They have been arrested and incarcerated.


One woman was murdered by her daughters acquaintance and it was about drugs. ONE MURDER here. There have been many suicides. And many domestic violence situations. ONE murder.

I am not saying that bad things can't happen or won't happen here. It is always wise to be very careful and to protect yourself and to watch around you. But to encourage fear when there is not good reason at this time is not helpful. We have a low crime rate here. We have on their toes law enforcement who work very hard to protect us. This could change at any time. There were many break ins last year at this time. And most of those people were caught. It is wise to have your home protected. But to get your bowels in an uproar thinking about all the bad stuff that could or can happen is not good.

We have many, many, many armed homeowners who know how to use a gun and when to use a gun and that is probably adding to the overall deterrent to criminals entering homes.

[dirtbanker]

But that has not happened here. That has not happened here. That has not happened here.

Was there not a thread on here about an intruder that raped a woman (in the Villages) about a year and a half ago? Some suspected her yard guy?
Maybe my memory is going...

I do have a suggestion if you shoot an intruded (or anyone else for that matter); Kill them! It is less confusing for the police to understand one story as opposed to a "he said - she said" story, and you will definitely be going down to the station for some serious conversation when you shoot someone (in your house or not, eminent danger or not)). So if you don't want to kill, don't shoot!

[graciegirl]

Was there not a thread on here about an intruder that raped a woman (in the Villages) about a year and a half ago? Some suspected her yard guy?
Maybe my memory is going...

I do have a suggestion if you shoot an intruded (or anyone else for that matter); Kill them! It is less confusing for the police to understand one story as opposed to a "he said - she said" story, and you will definitely be going down to the station for some serious conversation when you shoot someone (in your house or not, eminent danger or not)). So if you don't want to kill, don't shoot!



I remember what you are thinking...vaguely. This woman ended up in the hospital but whether she fell or was harmed by someone was disputed a great deal. I think I remember repeated alcohol abuse being mentioned.


She had friends who believed her and folks who didn't. I don't know what happened but I will try to find that thread and post it if it isn't closed....which is likely.

I found a thread about this. Type in Latest in assault in Duval in search, above. The thread is closed.

[outlaw]

SMH. Head in sand.

[graciegirl]

SMH. Head in sand.


Are you shaking your head about ME? Do you think I have my head in the sand? I have lived here for nine years now.


I think we bring with us feelings of fear or security from where we grew up. We spent our lives in an area that was almost as safe as this one is. Some people grow up with lots of crime around them.


Some people just like to talk about guns and using them. Somewhere between the way that you look at things and I look at things is probably realistic.



You chose "outlaw" for a screen name. Nuff said.