tired of the lawless left

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so tired already of the mobs of protesters denying thousands their first amendment rights to attend Trump rallies. they have the right to protest peacefully but when they try to close highways etc something must be done about them...most are instigated by MoveOn.org, Bernie's young and ignorant supporters, Black Lives Matter and overtly leftist organizations... if any Republican Never Trump people are participating (which i doubt) they must stop to think that Cruz will be the next target if Trump is gotten out of the way.

i wonder if Bernie's crowd will riot like this when they figure out that Bernie will also be robbed of his votes by the Democrat machine. All Amercans must realize that this is in illegal method of forcing their opinions on the whole country....it worked on Sea World, don't let it work on our nation!

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so tired already of the mobs of protesters denying thousands their first amendment rights to attend Trump rallies. they have the right to protest peacefully but when they try to close highways etc something must be done about them...most are instigated by MoveOn.org, Bernie's young and ignorant supporters, Black Lives Matter and overtly leftist organizations... if any Republican Never Trump people are participating (which i doubt) they must stop to think that Cruz will be the next target if Trump is gotten out of the way.

i wonder if Bernie's crowd will riot like this when they figure out that Bernie will also be robbed of his votes by the Democrat machine. All Amercans must realize that this is in illegal method of forcing their opinions on the whole country....it worked on Sea World, don't let it work on our nation!

Where do you get that people who crash Trump political rallies are lawless? There is a right to demonstrate at political rallies. It is in the US Constitution. There is a right to assemble and a right to free speech. Not a right to beat up people though or to advocate beating up people as the Donald often does.

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i guess you did not see them blocking a highway in Arizona today....by the way, Obama had a law passed to protect himself that it is now illegal to protest in any area protected by Secret Service...how come he is not enforcing this law?

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Where do you get that people who crash Trump political rallies are lawless? There is a right to demonstrate at political rallies. It is in the US Constitution. There is a right to assemble and a right to free speech. Not a right to beat up people though or to advocate beating up people as the Donald often does.

Get off your partisan horse and put the brain in gear.

The protestors do not have the right to block highwasy and roads.

Do you agree they have the right to stop people from attending anything they want?

If you have to think too hard on that one you are too politically polarized to think straight!

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These protesters are paid disrupters. This has nothing to do with their freedom of speech. It has to do with attempting to STOP freedom of speech. Someone should use a fire hose on them and push them back out of the way. If they get in your face, punch them out. They are breaking the law and all you are doing is self defense. If more people got tired of being kind to them, they would not take a chance of interrupting someone's freedom of speech. They would think twice about taking money to be @ssh...s.

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I want to hear what Tump and Palin have to say. Late night TV is a lot funnier when they do. Stop the protesting.

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Where do you get that people who crash Trump political rallies are lawless? There is a right to demonstrate at political rallies. It is in the US Constitution. There is a right to assemble and a right to free speech. Not a right to beat up people though or to advocate beating up people as the Donald often does.

Get in my face in a political rally and see if my right to self defense doesn't trump your right to speak out of broken teeth. I am a peaceful person, but wont' stand for anyone pushing me around. Liberals are nothing more than bullies and just need to be put on their @ss once in a while to give them perspective.

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Get in my face in a political rally and see if my right to self defense doesn't trump your right to speak out of broken teeth. I am a peaceful person, but wont' stand for anyone pushing me around. Liberals are nothing more than bullies and just need to be put on their @ss once in a while to give them perspective.

People like you are ignorant bullies. Liberals protesting at Trump rallies are exercising their right to free speech, and if you don't like it, take your dolls and go home.

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Get in my face in a political rally and see if my right to self defense doesn't trump your right to speak out of broken teeth. I am a peaceful person, but wont' stand for anyone pushing me around. Liberals are nothing more than bullies and just need to be put on their @ss once in a while to give them perspective.
Do you write comic books? You have quite an imagination.

just saying

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Where do you get that people who crash Trump political rallies are lawless? There is a right to demonstrate at political rallies. It is in the US Constitution. There is a right to assemble and a right to free speech. Not a right to beat up people though or to advocate beating up people as the Donald often does.

Great Post!!!!:ho:

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Do you write comic books? You have quite an imagination.

just saying

I would agree....what about that peaceful Trump supporter who sucker punched a man being taken out of a Trump rally?

The cops who ignored that and arrested the Trump protester have been demoted and suspended for their actions.

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Get in my face in a political rally and see if my right to self defense doesn't trump your right to speak out of broken teeth. I am a peaceful person, but wont' stand for anyone pushing me around. Liberals are nothing more than bullies and just need to be put on their @ss once in a while to give them perspective.

People like you are ignorant bullies. Liberals protesting at Trump rallies are exercising their right to free speech, and if you don't like it, take your dolls and go home.

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These protesters are paid disrupters. This has nothing to do with their freedom of speech. It has to do with attempting to STOP freedom of speech. Someone should use a fire hose on them and push them back out of the way. If they get in your face, punch them out. They are breaking the law and all you are doing is self defense. If more people got tired of being kind to them, they would not take a chance of interrupting someone's freedom of speech. They would think twice about taking money to be @ssh...s.

It is pretty funny how the right can turn anything into an attack on them.

We both have a right to free speech and peaceful assembly. Trump cancelled his rally so talk to him about your right to assemble!

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Get in my face in a political rally and see if my right to self defense doesn't trump your right to speak out of broken teeth. I am a peaceful person, but wont' stand for anyone pushing me around. Liberals are nothing more than bullies and just need to be put on their @ss once in a while to give them perspective.

Oh, a tough guy from behind a computer monitor. I bet you're quite something with that walker you're holding on to.

Good night Archie Bunker

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I want the peaceful demonstrations to continue outside of the venue.
I want to hear everything uninterrupted Sarah and Donald have to say.


I get it. We are all angry with the system. This does not mean that Donald or Bernie is the solution. Bernie is too old. I wish he was 10 years younger with the same message of hope. I want my grandchildren to have the great life I had in the 60's and 70's. Is that retarded? Is that liberal?

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I want the peaceful demonstrations to continue outside of the venue.
I want to hear everything uninterrupted Sarah and Donald have to say.


I get it. We are all angry with the system. This does not mean that Donald or Bernie is the solution. Bernie is too old. I wish he was 10 years younger with the same message of hope. I want my grandchildren to have the great life I had in the 60's and 70's. Is that retarded? Is that liberal?

That " great life " you had back in the 60`s and 70`s was paid for by people who went to work everyday just as you most likely did .
Bernie and Hillary`s crowd want everything for free .

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That " great life " you had back in the 60`s and 70`s was paid for by people who went to work everyday just as you most likely did .
Bernie and Hillary`s crowd want everything for free .
Back then 22% owned 90% of the wealth. It was unfair then but we got enough, so we didn't look forward.
Now what do you say to your grandchildren? I'm sorry I didn't look out for you too?
I'm angry too.

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What you really mean is the minorities who support Democrats want every thing for free.

But you know that isn't really true....

I have been a life long Democrat.

Never been on Food Stamps, Medicaid, Welfare.
Worked all my adult life my annual pay was $115,000 per year before retirement.
Retired with 2 free and clear homes and and net worth 1 million dollars.
No debt at all even my funeral has been paid for!

No welfare queen here

I will not be voting for Trump!

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And now a reality check:


More violence at a Trump rally....

Anti-Trump Protester Punched, Kicked At Tucson Rally (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-protester-hit-kicked-tucson_us_56ede525e4b03a640a6aac80)

No violence at any other rallies.....

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Get in my face in a political rally and see if my right to self defense doesn't trump your right to speak out of broken teeth:blahblahblah:. I am a peaceful person, but wont' stand for anyone pushing me around. Liberals are nothing more than bullies and just need to be put on their @ss once in a while to give them perspective.

Ooo, Mr.Big Noise! I would truly love to see you get tossed in the hoosegow for assault and battery - of a liberal. :1rotfl: Even if you were not convicted in criminal proceedings, you would get sued in a civil case and would lose.:MOJE_whot:

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Oh, a tough guy from behind a computer monitor. I bet you're quite something with that walker you're holding on to.

Good night Archie Bunker

Great post. Obviously, the chicken hawk behind his keyboard is a "meathead".

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That " great life " you had back in the 60`s and 70`s was paid for by people who went to work everyday just as you most likely did .
Bernie and Hillary`s crowd want everything for free .

So lets look at welfare usage:

Which county uses the SNAP program the most:

It’s Official: White Folks in Red States are the Biggest Food Stamp ‘Moochers’ in the Country! | Americans Against the Tea Party (http://aattp.org/ts-official-white-folks-in-red-states-are-the-biggest-food-stamp-moochers-in-the-country/)

Kentucky RED STATE

Now for the rest of the country

The 7 Biggest Deadbeat States Who Mooch Off Taxpayers All Vote Republican (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/15/7-biggest-deadbeat-states-federal-tax-dollars-voted-republican.html)

The deadbeat states are OMG "REPUBLICAN STATES

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none of you has addressed the lawless blocking of thousands of cars on an Arizona highway today by liberal disrupters....my original post stands.

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none of you has addressed the lawless blocking of thousands of cars on an Arizona highway today by liberal disrupters....my original post stands.

Liberals move a bit more timidly down South. They find that PC is not the same as good manners. Southerners do not condone bad manners and will not hold back their condemnation. If any libtard is foolish enough to mess with THE Sheriff in AZ, they may find their butt in the dirt. They better hope that they have a good health care plan with their contract to disrupt these functions. People are getting a bit impatient with these idiots. Their media protection will only go so far, and I doubt it will pay the hospital bills.

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Dear Guests:

Can't we end the madness? We better or we are all going to go down a rabbit hole to the abyss.

Let's agree that there are some sensible progressives, libertarians, conservatives. What all of us focus on too much are the extremes found in everyone of the aforementioned.

Too many of our leaders and their followers have become too reactionary.
Is "reactionary" a good trait for a leader?

On a micro level could you live with a spouse who is always reactionary? I doubt so.

Move On. Org was first organized to come to the defense of Bill Clinton during his days of impeachment. Move On. Org wanted him censured and the matter closed. Since then they have become a force for the progressive leftist. Their actions equate to those of Black Lives Matter, white supremacist , etc. Their aim is anarchy.

We are treading on very dangerous ground with the brand of politic prevalent in this nation today. Trump Clinton Sanders and Cruz all equal division.

Please help stop the madness. Demand civil discourse. Demand solutions to problems and avoidance of name calling. We are running out of time.

Personal Best Regards:

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People like you are ignorant bullies. Liberals protesting at Trump rallies are exercising their right to free speech, and if you don't like it, take your dolls and go home.

Bullies??? That's pretty funny. Liberals protesting, being paid to disrupt are quite the victim, aren't they? I have never been called a bully before, for standing my ground. You are an idiot if you think that anyone should have their rights taken away. And that is what protesters are attempting when they try to shut down someone else's freedom of speech. Dolls? Dolls are for sissy liberals that complain when someone sets them straight, when they are out of order. And liberals that think they can tread on Constitutional rights of others, under the guise of practicing their own rights, are just the bullies they accuse everyone else of being. Don't be such sissies when you overstep your rights and get put in your place. It has nothing to do with me being a bully. It has to do with right and wrong, and you are wrong in your assumption.

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Oh, a tough guy from behind a computer monitor. I bet you're quite something with that walker you're holding on to.

Good night Archie Bunker

Never claimed to be a tough guy, but I am a proud American that knows the law enough to remove someone from my being in my face. It doesn't take tough to remove sissy liberals that think that they have a right to abuse the Constitution. I don't believe in PC. I do believe in manners though. So, if you get in my face, you have poor manners and I won't allow you to bully me. A bully is brave only when they think that someone is behind them, protecting them. Get in my face and I will show you my knowledge of the law protecting me when I use self-defense. If you can't handle the reaction of those of us that get impatient with cowards like liberal pacifists, then don't overstep boundaries. If you think that attempting an ignorant insult with the "walker" statement is funny against some of those that live in The Villages, then you are only showing the idiot you really are. Unlike many of my neighbors that do need support to get around, I am one of the blessed ones that does not need help. Maybe you should visit the Villages sometime and learn something from those that have contributed to making this country great for chumps like you that take advantage of other folks labor.

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Never claimed to be a tough guy, but I am a proud American that knows the law enough to remove someone from my being in my face. It doesn't take tough to remove sissy liberals that think that they have a right to abuse the Constitution. I don't believe in PC. I do believe in manners though. So, if you get in my face, you have poor manners and I won't allow you to bully me. A bully is brave only when they think that someone is behind them, protecting them. Get in my face and I will show you my knowledge of the law protecting me when I use self-defense. If you can't handle the reaction of those of us that get impatient with cowards like liberal pacifists, then don't overstep boundaries. If you think that attempting an ignorant insult with the "walker" statement is funny against some of those that live in The Villages, then you are only showing the idiot you really are. Unlike many of my neighbors that do need support to get around, I am one of the blessed ones that does not need help. Maybe you should visit the Villages sometime and learn something from those that have contributed to making this country great for chumps like you that take advantage of other folks labor.
I read this and kept thinking Walter Mitty, not Archie Bunker.

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I read this and kept thinking Walter Mitty, not Archie Bunker.

Another witty comment by the great Chi-Town. Thank you for your input.

[Guest]

Dear Guests:
Please help stop the madness. Demand civil discourse. Demand solutions to problems and avoidance of name calling. We are running out of time.

Personal Best Regards:
Nice try--

[Guest]

i guess you did not see them blocking a highway in Arizona today....by the way, Obama had a law passed to protect himself that it is now illegal to protest in any area protected by Secret Service...how come he is not enforcing this law?

Care to explain that law that Obama had passed? I thought he couldn't get anything through Congress. Perhaps you have the details wrong, or just heard that phrase somewhere? My understanding is that the law was passed in 1971, Richard Nixon's first term. A minor change in wording was made by the GOP controlled Congress and signed by Obama. Nonetheless, I am fairly sure that the secret service is not in charge of highways in Arizona, so that law does not seem to apply.

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the immaturity and ridiculous replies in this forum by people who refuse to see that liberal troublemakers are acting illegally and immorally is beyond me. all Trump's rally's are protected by secret service, yet they enter and cause trouble...am sure his motorcade is also protected by secret service. there is no doubt whatsoever that no one has a right to stop traffic on a state highway. yet the silly replies continue....senseless to argue.

[Guest]

This might help explain it to you.
Obama Criminalize Free Speech? (http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/obama-criminalize-free-speech/)

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So lets look at welfare usage:

Which county uses the SNAP program the most:

It’s Official: White Folks in Red States are the Biggest Food Stamp ‘Moochers’ in the Country! | Americans Against the Tea Party (http://aattp.org/ts-official-white-folks-in-red-states-are-the-biggest-food-stamp-moochers-in-the-country/)

Kentucky RED STATE

Now for the rest of the country

The 7 Biggest Deadbeat States Who Mooch Off Taxpayers All Vote Republican (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/15/7-biggest-deadbeat-states-federal-tax-dollars-voted-republican.html)

The deadbeat states are OMG "REPUBLICAN STATES

Love it! :bigbow:

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Love it! :bigbow:

That seems to have silenced the conservatives!!!!!

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Liberals move a bit more timidly down South. They find that PC is not the same as good manners. Southerners do not condone bad manners and will not hold back their condemnation. If any libtard is foolish enough to mess with THE Sheriff in AZ, they may find their butt in the dirt. They better hope that they have a good health care plan with their contract to disrupt these functions. People are getting a bit impatient with these idiots. Their media protection will only go so far, and I doubt it will pay the hospital bills.

Ya you southerners are real bad asses alright. I guess "you all" are still feeling a bit insecure over that ass whooping you received from the North. Get over it.

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These protesters are paid disrupters. This has nothing to do with their freedom of speech. It has to do with attempting to STOP freedom of speech. Someone should use a fire hose on them and push them back out of the way. If they get in your face, punch them out. They are breaking the law and all you are doing is self defense. If more people got tired of being kind to them, they would not take a chance of interrupting someone's freedom of speech. They would think twice about taking money to be @ssh...s.

You sure know a lot. You sound like George Wallace. Typical wingnut wanting to go back 60 years.

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the immaturity and ridiculous replies in this forum by people who refuse to see that liberal troublemakers are acting illegally and immorally is beyond me. all Trump's rally's are protected by secret service, yet they enter and cause trouble...am sure his motorcade is also protected by secret service. there is no doubt whatsoever that no one has a right to stop traffic on a state highway. yet the silly replies continue....senseless to argue.


Trump is protected by the not so Secret Service, and not his rallies. The people in the rallies are protected by local police If you can't tell the difference between the Secret Service, and the police, you aren't looking.

Whose rallies are being targeted? Just one, Trump! Whose rhetoric is inflaming people to protest? Trump! Who is accusing other campaigns of paying protesters? Trump. Which candidate is the gold standard for not believing a damn word that is coming out of his mouth? Trump! Immaturity? Trump is a five year old, who cries every time he doesn't get his own way. Immoral? He is the crown prince of immorality, who wants to be king of immorality like a person he use to love, Bill Clinton.

"liberal troublemakers are acting illegally, and immorally." Freedom of the press is one of our cornerstones. When you deny the press access to your political rallies, that isn't immoral? The press is free to question Trump just so long as they don't say anything bad about him. This is a man that entire campaign is feeding free press. There is an estimate that he has received over 1.5 billion dollars of free press, but the press is the problem. At Trump rallies, they are herded like cattle in roped off areas, and are not allowed to ask any of the public questions.

When you talk about immoral, be careful, because Trump is the poster boy for it.
Voters need to weigh in on Trump media tactics | Chicago Sun-Times (http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/voters-need-to-weigh-in-on-trump-media-tactics/)

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You sure know a lot. You sound like George Wallace. Typical wingnut wanting to go back 60 years.

So you agree with the message, but disparage the messenger. You have nothing to use as a retort other than a typical liberal insult. That's OK, we know how impotent you are. Feel free to come back when you have something valid to add to the debate. You failed.

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Trump is protected by the not so Secret Service, and not his rallies. The people in the rallies are protected by local police If you can't tell the difference between the Secret Service, and the police, you aren't looking.

Whose rallies are being targeted? Just one, Trump! Whose rhetoric is inflaming people to protest? Trump! Who is accusing other campaigns of paying protesters? Trump. Which candidate is the gold standard for not believing a damn word that is coming out of his mouth? Trump! Immaturity? Trump is a five year old, who cries every time he doesn't get his own way. Immoral? He is the crown prince of immorality, who wants to be king of immorality like a person he use to love, Bill Clinton.

"liberal troublemakers are acting illegally, and immorally." Freedom of the press is one of our cornerstones. When you deny the press access to your political rallies, that isn't immoral? The press is free to question Trump just so long as they don't say anything bad about him. This is a man that entire campaign is feeding free press. There is an estimate that he has received over 1.5 billion dollars of free press, but the press is the problem. At Trump rallies, they are herded like cattle in roped off areas, and are not allowed to ask any of the public questions.

When you talk about immoral, be careful, because Trump is the poster boy for it.
Voters need to weigh in on Trump media tactics | Chicago Sun-Times (http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/voters-need-to-weigh-in-on-trump-media-tactics/)

You might as well get used to Trump because with a choice between him and Hilllary, his "immoral" behavior looks like a choir boy in comparison. I don't like the guy, but if he is the GOP nominee, he'll get my vote. When you only have two options, between him and a criminal traitor, the choice is obvious.

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You sure know a lot. You sound like George Wallace. Typical wingnut wanting to go back 60 years.

Personally, I like America more back then and would love to go back. Wasn't as 3rd world back then. That's what happens when the minorities start taking over.

You might as well get used to Trump because with a choice between him and Hilllary, his "immoral" behavior looks like a choir boy in comparison. I don't like the guy, but if he is the GOP nominee, he'll get my vote. When you only have two options, between him and a criminal traitor, the choice is obvious.

My God! Just put your tail between your legs and whimper away! You have more than two options, they've just brainwashed you into believing there's ONLY "their two candidates". Wake up, stop being an idiot, one of the sheep. Change things with your vote.

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i guess you did not see them blocking a highway in Arizona today....by the way, Obama had a law passed to protect himself that it is now illegal to protest in any area protected by Secret Service...how come he is not enforcing this law?

I guess its okay when trump incites violence. I believe that is against the law. But you would never admit to that!

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I guess its okay when trump incites violence. I believe that is against the law. But you would never admit to that!

:mademyday:

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Why do they disrupt inside the building?

If the venue can hold 10,000 people, and contempt for the candidate, why not gather outside the building with 20,000 people. A Gandhi type protest.

Wouldn't it be a more effective non-violent strategy that sends a more accurate message that they are not the party of hate?

As a result even more protesters would show up knowing there was a reasonable amount of certainty there wouldn't be violence. Just like a lot of people wanted to see the Stones for free at Altamont but not if the Hell's Angels are security.

As far as who should arrest who, one would think mayors, police, security guards and secret service know their job and roles better then anyone else.

ok--I'm going to put on my flak jacket now. OK, I'm ready.

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I guess its okay when trump incites violence. I believe that is against the law. But you would never admit to that!

Prove it. You already have a president that incites violence by endorsing Occupy Wall St and Black Lives Matter, as well as other radicals.

You liberals are cowards, hiding behind a perversion of words taken out of context. Besides, if you think violence is bad then you probably should condemn our patriots that cut ties with Brittan by means of violence.

If you can't take the violence, then tell your little liberal protesters to find another job.

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Personally, I like America more back then and would love to go back. Wasn't as 3rd world back then. That's what happens when the minorities start taking over.



My God! Just put your tail between your legs and whimper away! You have more than two options, they've just brainwashed you into believing there's ONLY "their two candidates". Wake up, stop being an idiot, one of the sheep. Change things with your vote.

Talk about an idiot. The guy that's going to change things by voting for Mickey Mouse. No one is whimpering. Trump will be a hundred times better than the poser we have now. If you can't handle it, do something other than shooting blanks over the Internet. Or, you can move. But either way, go back into your hole. You ridicule everyone else, and yet add no solutions, just trolling agitation. If you think your Hillary is going to win by you attempting to get everyone to stay home on election day, you are going to be very sad in Nov.

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Besides, if you think violence is bad then you probably should condemn our patriots that cut ties with Brittan by means of violence.
And why did they cut ties with England? Time to buy some more Ammo.

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Civil War II is just around the corner - Racial tensions at an all time high, 52% of the people are looking for more government benefits (and the working people cant afford to pay for it), terrible candidates for president (by both parties = shameless criminal, lazy under achiever, inflammatory egomaniac, and the whiner), nut jobs doing mass shootings every month...STOCK UP ON AMMO!

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I guess its okay when trump incites violence. I believe that is against the law. But you would never admit to that!

Hillary is giving a speech right now and she just said that "we must stand up to bullies." She is inciting violence. Any libtards going to disavow her for that statement?

If libtards would stay away from Trump's functions, then there would be NO violence. Therefore, liberals are the cause of ALL the violence.

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Civil War II is just around the corner - Racial tensions at an all time high, 52% of the people are looking for more government benefits (and the working people cant afford to pay for it), terrible candidates for president (by both parties = shameless criminal, lazy under achiever, inflammatory egomaniac, and the whiner), nut jobs doing mass shootings every month...STOCK UP ON AMMO!
It's not racial tensions. It's class tensions. When 1/10 of 1% own what 90% own................you've heard the rest.
When Romney at $200 million is 3 times wealthier then the average 1 per center and Trumps says' "He's not rich, when did they lower the bar" that's an eye opener.

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It's not racial tensions. It's class tensions. When 1/10 of 1% own what 90% own................you've heard the rest.
When Romney at $200 million is 3 times wealthier then the average 1 per center and Trumps says' "He's not rich, when did they lower the bar" that's an eye opener.

Yep, wealth envy. The rich must share their wealth! It's not a budget problem, it's the fact that some folks think they deserve to keep the money they earned. How dare them! When the government taxes the rich until they are either broke or gone and they still don't have enough to run the government, they will start taxing everyone else, more and more. That's how socialism works. Why is it that our American socialists have not told everyone how much sacrifice is required to keep socialism going? Google taxes in other countries. Not just income taxes, but value added taxes and sales taxes also. Then look at how much payroll taxes are taken out of one's paycheck. Then look at how many countries that have socialized medicine also have supplemental private insurance for those that want quality health care. Even Canada requires you to pay your own prescriptions and ambulance service.

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Yep, wealth envy. The rich must share their wealth! It's not a budget problem, it's the fact that some folks think they deserve to keep the money they earned. How dare them! When the government taxes the rich until they are either broke or gone and they still don't have enough to run the government, they will start taxing everyone else, more and more. That's how socialism works. Why is it that our American socialists have not told everyone how much sacrifice is required to keep socialism going? Google taxes in other countries. Not just income taxes, but value added taxes and sales taxes also. Then look at how much payroll taxes are taken out of one's paycheck. Then look at how many countries that have socialized medicine also have supplemental private insurance for those that want quality health care. Even Canada requires you to pay your own prescriptions and ambulance service.
I get it envy is envy. But aren't there varying degrees of envy as there is wealth?

I'm not thinking of myself. I have plenty.
I'm thinking of the greater then 90% that couldn't write a thousand dollar check if they had too. Are they all lazy and self-entitled?

Look at it this way if you only see things in black or white.
Speeding is speeding so the guy who guys 1 mile over the limit is just as guilty as the guy who goes 60 miles over the limit. But can't you see any difference if the speed limit is 25 mph?

I don't really care what you think or what you need to tell yourself to make it easy to sleep at night. I'm sorry I wasted your time..

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I get it envy is envy. But aren't there varying degrees of envy as there is wealth?

I'm not thinking of myself. I have plenty.
I'm thinking of the greater then 90% that couldn't write a thousand dollar check if they had too. Are they all lazy and self-entitled?

Look at it this way if you only see things in black or white.
Speeding is speeding so the guy who guys 1 mile over the limit is just as guilty as the guy who goes 60 miles over the limit. But can't you see any difference if the speed limit is 25 mph?

I don't really care what you think or what you need to tell yourself to make it easy to sleep at night. I'm sorry I wasted your time..

No, you are not wasting my time. It is my time to waste, not yours. There is nothing wrong with an honest debate

I am not saying that those that don't have money are lazy. I am saying that many are just not as motivated as the wealthy. I'm not and will admit it. I can make lots more than I have. But, I opted not to work harder or longer in order to achieve that level of wealth. I am satisfied with what I have. I could have worked seven more years before I would have been forced into retirement. But, I don't believe that anyone's money that they earned is due to me. I don't believe that a person that is more motivated than me, should be penalized for being successful. I will make a statement that I believe that many folks that are on welfare do not belong there. I believe that the gov abuses and wastes our tax revenues. But, I do not believe that the wealthy owes me a dime, or anyone else for that matter. To demonize the wealthy is to disparage what makes this country great, freedom to achieve and equal opportunity. Anyone that pays at a higher percentage rate than anyone else, is being discriminated upon. And that is UN-American. IF I have two cars and my neighbor has one and it breaks down, I do not believe that he should demand that I give him one of mine. If he doesn't maintain his and I do maintain mine, I shouldn't be penalized because of his lack of motivation.

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No, you are not wasting my time. It is my time to waste, not yours. There is nothing wrong with an honest debate

I am not saying that those that don't have money are lazy. I am saying that many are just not as motivated as the wealthy. I'm not and will admit it. I can make lots more than I have. But, I opted not to work harder or longer in order to achieve that level of wealth. I am satisfied with what I have. I could have worked seven more years before I would have been forced into retirement. But, I don't believe that anyone's money that they earned is due to me. I don't believe that a person that is more motivated than me, should be penalized for being successful. I will make a statement that I believe that many folks that are on welfare do not belong there. I believe that the gov abuses and wastes our tax revenues. But, I do not believe that the wealthy owes me a dime, or anyone else for that matter. To demonize the wealthy is to disparage what makes this country great, freedom to achieve and equal opportunity. Anyone that pays at a higher percentage rate than anyone else, is being discriminated upon. And that is UN-American. IF I have two cars and my neighbor has one and it breaks down, I do not believe that he should demand that I give him one of mine. If he doesn't maintain his and I do maintain mine, I shouldn't be penalized because of his lack of motivation.
That's just it. You have 2 cars and your neighbor has 1 broken car. Envy
There are 50,000 homes in the villages, average price $250,000. $12,500,000,000 worth of homes. You own one and someone in Trumps bracket owns the other 49,999. That's envy too.

Is that the America our forefathers envisioned?

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That's just it. You have 2 cars and your neighbor has 1 broken car. Envy
There are 50,000 homes in the villages, average price $250,000. $12,500,000,000 worth of homes. You own one and someone in Trumps bracket owns the other 49,999. That's envy too.

Is that the America our forefathers envisioned?

Are you kidding? Who cares if one or a million people own other homes? I have my home and I earned it. Every penny of it. I also have another home that I gave to my daughter. That was my prerogative. By your vision for America, it would not be against the law for me to rob a bank if I wished, because they have more money than I do. Totally ridiculous.

Liberals are always generous with other folks' money. Take from them and they cry a blue moon.

As for the wealthy getting all the tax breaks, they still pay more into the IRS than half the country. And they deserve all the tax breaks because they are being discriminated upon. Even the supreme court has said that one should not pay more income taxes than the minimum required by law.

"Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as
possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the
treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes.
Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister
in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone
does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any
public duty to pay more than the law demands."-- Judge Learned Hand (1872-1961), Judge, U. S. Court of Appeals

Grover Cleveland: "When more of the people's sustenance is exacted through the form of taxation than is necessary to meet the just obligations of government and expenses of its economical administration, such exaction becomes ruthless extortion and a violation of the fundamental principles of free government."

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It's not racial tensions. It's class tensions. When 1/10 of 1% own what 90% own................you've heard the rest.
When Romney at $200 million is 3 times wealthier then the average 1 per center and Trumps says' "He's not rich, when did they lower the bar" that's an eye opener.

I don't see your point.

The group is called "Black Lives Matter" are you suggesting they are too stupid to realize it should be "Poor Lives Matter"? Or are you suggesting for political correctness they don't call race "race" anymore, they now call it "class"?

1/10 of 1% own what 90% own?? Is this another version of "who's on 1st"?

I am curious; how much wealth does the average 1% have?

What does someone's personal wealth have to do with the 52% receiving government benefits?

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

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I get it envy is envy. But aren't there varying degrees of envy as there is wealth?

I'm not thinking of myself. I have plenty.
I'm thinking of the greater then 90% that couldn't write a thousand dollar check if they had too. Are they all lazy and self-entitled?

Look at it this way if you only see things in black or white.
Speeding is speeding so the guy who guys 1 mile over the limit is just as guilty as the guy who goes 60 miles over the limit. But can't you see any difference if the speed limit is 25 mph?

I don't really care what you think or what you need to tell yourself to make it easy to sleep at night. I'm sorry I wasted your time..

I am unable to see your point "Mr. Plenty":

90% of who can't right a $1000 check if they had too?

I often see things black and white, you mighty wish to try it sometime as; 1 mile over the limit a ticket is written for speeding, 60 miles over the limit a ticket is written for reckless driving. Different fines for different degrees of illegal acts...

I doubt anyone on here needs to tell themselves something in order to sleep at night, if anything the lazy and self entitled might need to do that.

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

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No, you are not wasting my time. It is my time to waste, not yours. There is nothing wrong with an honest debate

I am not saying that those that don't have money are lazy. I am saying that many are just not as motivated as the wealthy. I'm not and will admit it. I can make lots more than I have. But, I opted not to work harder or longer in order to achieve that level of wealth. I am satisfied with what I have. I could have worked seven more years before I would have been forced into retirement. But, I don't believe that anyone's money that they earned is due to me. I don't believe that a person that is more motivated than me, should be penalized for being successful. I will make a statement that I believe that many folks that are on welfare do not belong there. I believe that the gov abuses and wastes our tax revenues. But, I do not believe that the wealthy owes me a dime, or anyone else for that matter. To demonize the wealthy is to disparage what makes this country great, freedom to achieve and equal opportunity. Anyone that pays at a higher percentage rate than anyone else, is being discriminated upon. And that is UN-American. IF I have two cars and my neighbor has one and it breaks down, I do not believe that he should demand that I give him one of mine. If he doesn't maintain his and I do maintain mine, I shouldn't be penalized because of his lack of motivation.

Good post!

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

[Guest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

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Yep, wealth envy. The rich must share their wealth! It's not a budget problem, it's the fact that some folks think they deserve to keep the money they earned. How dare them! When the government taxes the rich until they are either broke or gone and they still don't have enough to run the government, they will start taxing everyone else, more and more. That's how socialism works. Why is it that our American socialists have not told everyone how much sacrifice is required to keep socialism going? Google taxes in other countries. Not just income taxes, but value added taxes and sales taxes also. Then look at how much payroll taxes are taken out of one's paycheck. Then look at how many countries that have socialized medicine also have supplemental private insurance for those that want quality health care. Even Canada requires you to pay your own prescriptions and ambulance service.

The rich must pay their fair share. They can't be able to pay for their politicians, pay for their lobbyists, move their weighted legislation that benefits them through Congress ...

Wake up this best part of this country is socialism.

You want this country to get great again, I suggest we go back to the model we had in this country after WWII.

They also continue to be the mouth piece of less taxes and this country will skyrocket. Well we are almost 40 years into trickle down which was supposed to do that and all it did was make the middle class smaller and the richest of the rich even richer.

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I am unable to see your point "Mr. Plenty":

90% of who can't right a $1000 check if they had too?

I often see things black and white, you mighty wish to try it sometime as; 1 mile over the limit a ticket is written for speeding, 60 miles over the limit a ticket is written for reckless driving. Different fines for different degrees of illegal acts...

I doubt anyone on here needs to tell themselves something in order to sleep at night, if anything the lazy and self entitled might need to do that.

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

yeah stock up on ammo old man.

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I've got plenty of ammo, but it is hardly necessary when dealing with liberals. Personally, I don't fear liberals, but I do protect my family from criminals since law enforcement can only assist after the fact. But Liberals? Cowards that flee in terror if you stand up to them. Their only weapon is the media and hired agitators.

[Guest]

I've got plenty of ammo, but it is hardly necessary when dealing with liberals. Personally, I don't fear liberals, but I do protect my family from criminals since law enforcement can only assist after the fact. But Liberals? Cowards that flee in terror if you stand up to them. Their only weapon is the media and hired agitators.

Yep! Just look at their rile model, Obama!

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Yep! Just look at their rile model, Obama!

That would be role model for the spell checkers.

[Guest]

That would be role model for the spell checkers.
I spelled it correctly. Obama is a rile model; someone who make others annoyed or irritated including me.

[Guest]

Except for the lies of Donald Trump, where do you get the idea that these are hired agitators? Many people are angry about Trump's hateful speech and do not need to be paid to speak up against his bigotry and provocations of physical violence.

[Guest]

Let me see if I get this correct.

If it is someone who is against Trump doing the protesting, interupting an event, getting in people's faces, pushing and shoving their way in....these are the folks who are presented as being upset with Trump's views.

However if it happens to be a Trump supporter who gets shoved and in turn shoves back, these folks are labelled as rioters and promoters of violence.

BS!

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Except for the lies of Donald Trump, where do you get the idea that these are hired agitators? Many people are angry about Trump's hateful speech and do not need to be paid to speak up against his bigotry and provocations of physical violence.

Boo hooo, those big bad Republicans caused violence by speaking. Stay the .....away from us and you don't have anything to worry about. :1rotfl:

There was no bigotry. You made it up, or parroted it from some nobody.
There was no provoking. You made that up too. There was no difference in what he said than what Hillary said yesterday. So, get over you incessant whining. It's very irritating.

Just because liberals are cowards, doesn't mean they can run their mouths without consequences. Even though I don't condone unneeded violence on the agitators, I don't sympathize with them. They asked for it and someone was dumb enough to be sucked into their game. Both got what they deserved, one a beating and one a fine. Oh well, boys will be boys...:1rotfl:

[Guest]

Let me see if I get this correct.

If it is someone who is against Trump doing the protesting, interupting an event, getting in people's faces, pushing and shoving their way in....these are the folks who are presented as being upset with Trump's views.

However if it happens to be a Trump supporter who gets shoved and in turn shoves back, these folks are labelled as rioters and promoters of violence.

BS!
I agree with you. I want to hear what Trump has to say. I also want non-violent demonstrations. I'd like to see the Trump supporters demonstrating the democrat rallys.

Why don't they? Or maybe they do. I'm sure I'll find out soon.

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Let me see if I get this correct.

If it is someone who is against Trump doing the protesting, interupting an event, getting in people's faces, pushing and shoving their way in....these are the folks who are presented as being upset with Trump's views.

However if it happens to be a Trump supporter who gets shoved and in turn shoves back, these folks are labelled as rioters and promoters of violence.

BS!

They are doing a lot more than shoving. I mean Trump's violent supporters.

The Democratic candidates get their hecklers as well. They are usually handled civilly.

[Guest]

I've got plenty of ammo, but it is hardly necessary when dealing with liberals. Personally, I don't fear liberals, but I do protect my family from criminals since law enforcement can only assist after the fact. But Liberals? Cowards that flee in terror if you stand up to them. Their only weapon is the media and hired agitators.

The media is in the conservatives pocket. Check Fox sometime. 100% conservative and they are the most watched news in the US.

Aren't you tired of calling the media liberal, it's not only old and tired, its dead wrong.

But old man, facts have never been your forte

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They are doing a lot more than shoving. I mean Trump's violent supporters.

The Democratic candidates get their hecklers as well. They are usually handled civilly.

I'll buy some of that wacky weed, if you are selling.
:1rotfl:..:1rotfl:...:clap2:...:1rotfl:...:clap2:. ..

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Trump's folks have failed when attempting to heckle at Democrat rallies. They couldn't stop laughing long enough to get serious about their heckling duty. They had to give up and call the whole thing off. It's the truth, ask Hillary.....:)

[Guest]

The media is in the conservatives pocket. Check Fox sometime. 100% conservative and they are the most watched news in the US.

Aren't you tired of calling the media liberal, it's not only old and tired, its dead wrong.

But old man, facts have never been your forte

So, I guess you consider ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN , BBC, etc. to be Conservative as well.

[Guest]

So, I guess you consider ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN , BBC, etc. to be Conservative as well.

yes as a matter of fact they are ... don't you know they are all owned by the same few parent companies? It was one of stupid changes to law made back in the 80s. Media no longer has to give equal time to candidates, which is why Trump gets all the free media and idiots (like you) support him. It used to be that no one could own more than so many media outlets. Once again a law changed in the 80s. Oh St. Ronnie you are the gift that keeps on giving.

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yes as a matter of fact they are ... don't you know they are all owned by the same few parent companies? It was one of stupid changes to law made back in the 80s. Media no longer has to give equal time to candidates, which is why Trump gets all the free media and idiots (like you) support him. It used to be that no one could own more than so many media outlets. Once again a law changed in the 80s. Oh St. Ronnie you are the gift that keeps on giving.

Hey A-hole, I never said nor implied that I supported Trump. I just asked a you simple question. No need to resort to name calling, A-hole.

[Guest]

Hey A-hole, I never said nor implied that I supported Trump. I just asked a you simple question. No need to resort to name calling, A-hole.

you are right idiot, sorry.

[Guest]

So, I guess you consider ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN , BBC, etc. to be Conservative as well.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Guest]

yes as a matter of fact they are ... don't you know they are all owned by the same few parent companies? It was one of stupid changes to law made back in the 80s. Media no longer has to give equal time to candidates, which is why Trump gets all the free media and idiots (like you) support him. It used to be that no one could own more than so many media outlets. Once again a law changed in the 80s. Oh St. Ronnie you are the gift that keeps on giving.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

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I feel sorry for the lone liberal on here. If this illiterate is so ignorant that he spouts idiocies day to day, how can anyone have the patience to discuss politics with the adults? I can see why conservatives have no respect for liberals and think that they are stupid. They believe in Republican conspiracies, and run amok in fear that someone is going to hurt them. But, as we all know IT'S BUSH's fault, until Trump takes that mantle.

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I can only speak for myself. I'd like to think I'm independent and open minded. I have been persuaded to change my opinion when an opposing view is substantiated with links from credible sources.

From what I am reading on these threads there are a lot more liberals than one. Although it would be funny to a be a moderator and know that only two very bored people are writing all the posts.

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Trump's folks have failed when attempting to heckle at Democrat rallies. They couldn't stop laughing long enough to get serious about their heckling duty. They had to give up and call the whole thing off. It's the truth, ask Hillary.....:)

Well they were all looking for the confederate flag for the entrance, could not find it, went home to watch the Dukes of Hazzard.

[Guest]

Well they were all looking for the confederate flag for the entrance, could not find it, went home to watch the Dukes of Hazzard.

Why all the Liberal racist hate?

[Guest]

Why all the Liberal racist hate?

Because they(Dems) are racist??? Or, because they are the party of slavery?? Or both?

[Guest]

This is worth reading.
The Origin of the American Democratic Party (http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/03/the-origin-of-the-american-democratic-party/)

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This is worth reading.
The Origin of the American Democratic Party (http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/03/the-origin-of-the-american-democratic-party/)

"Despite the increasingly cutting tension that is growing between the Democrats and Republicans of today, it’s important to remember that our factions sprouted from the same political party and thus, a shared purpose—to create a government that is run for and by its citizens."

What drivel...this is the last sentence. The citizens are the last thing the parties are looking out for.

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"Despite the increasingly cutting tension that is growing between the Democrats and Republicans of today, it’s important to remember that our factions sprouted from the same political party and thus, a shared purpose—to create a government that is run for and by its citizens."

What drivel...this is the last sentence. The citizens are the last thing the parties are looking out for.
What's the first thing? lobbyists

Why can't you just complete your opinion?

Why do you make others ask?

You may have a valid point, an enlightening point but if you don't make it who will know?

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"Despite the increasingly cutting tension that is growing between the Democrats and Republicans of today, it’s important to remember that our factions sprouted from the same political party and thus, a shared purpose—to create a government that is run for and by its citizens."

What drivel...this is the last sentence. The citizens are the last thing the parties are looking out for.
What's the first thing? lobbyists

Why can't you just complete your opinion?

Why do you make others ask?

You may have a valid point, an enlightening point but if you don't make it who will know?

[Guest]

I too wonder.
Watch PATH TO THE WHITE HOUSE ON CNN. Not sure if it says things are not as bad as they seem OR, in politics things were never as good as we remember.

[Guest]

so lets look at welfare usage:

Which county uses the snap program the most:

it’s official: White folks in red states are the biggest food stamp ‘moochers’ in the country! | americans against the tea party (http://aattp.org/ts-official-white-folks-in-red-states-are-the-biggest-food-stamp-moochers-in-the-country/)

kentucky red state

now for the rest of the country

the 7 biggest deadbeat states who mooch off taxpayers all vote republican (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/15/7-biggest-deadbeat-states-federal-tax-dollars-voted-republican.html)

the deadbeat states are omg "republican states

are you stupid enough to offer americans against the tea party as a non-biased source of information.

[Guest]

I believe that the subject of the thread was based on violence of the left. It was based on the current trend of disruptions at the Trump political rallies. How far are you all going to get from the subject of the thread? There is no rule against starting a new thread. If you want to hijack the thread, take it elsewhere.

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are you stupid enough to offer americans against the tea party as a non-biased source of information.

I guess I am.....but one can always hope.

[Guest]

I feel sorry for the lone liberal on here. If this illiterate is so ignorant that he spouts idiocies day to day, how can anyone have the patience to discuss politics with the adults? I can see why conservatives have no respect for liberals and think that they are stupid. They believe in Republican conspiracies, and run amok in fear that someone is going to hurt them. But, as we all know IT'S BUSH's fault, until Trump takes that mantle.

Did GWB invade a country that did not attack the US based on lies? YES

Did Dick Cheney said the Iraq war would only cost 21 billion dollars and that Iraq would pay for it? YES


Iraq war: Predictions made, and results - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1222/Iraq-war-Predictions-made-and-results)

Did George W Bush land on an aircraft carrier and declare
major combat operations were over?

See for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrJwzYBUkU

Did he leave office with us still fighting an endless war? YES

Did he make a mess and didn't clean it up? YES

Did GWB authorize torture for prisoners of war?YES

I could go on but why?

You BLAME OBAMA FOR EVERYTHING

You want freedom of religion and cry there is a WAR ON CHRISTMAS when someone says Seasons Greetings.

You want your country back and on some points I could agree with that. I wish that Corporations would not ship jobs overseas so that the younger generation had a chance at a Middle Class life.

I will leave you with this...

In November think of my nephew who will deploy to the region for 7 months, hope as I hope that he does not return with a Purple Heart like his brother. And think of his mother and I as we live with fear once again for those 7 months.

[Guest]

That was against the law.

[Guest]

Did GWB invade a country that did not attack the US based on lies? YES

Did Dick Cheney said the Iraq war would only cost 21 billion dollars and that Iraq would pay for it? YES


Iraq war: Predictions made, and results - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1222/Iraq-war-Predictions-made-and-results)

Did George W Bush land on an aircraft carrier and declare
major combat operations were over?

See for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrJwzYBUkU

Did he leave office with us still fighting an endless war? YES

Did he make a mess and didn't clean it up? YES

Did GWB authorize torture for prisoners of war?YES

I could go on but why?

You BLAME OBAMA FOR EVERYTHING

You want freedom of religion and cry there is a WAR ON CHRISTMAS when someone says Seasons Greetings.

You want your country back and on some points I could agree with that. I wish that Corporations would not ship jobs overseas so that the younger generation had a chance at a Middle Class life.

I will leave you with this...

In November think of my nephew who will deploy to the region for 7 months, hope as I hope that he does not return with a Purple Heart like his brother. And think of his mother and I as we live with fear once again for those 7 months.

I bet the only thing you watch on television is re-runs. Must be terrible to only be allowed to look back in time.

Must be because current events are so much worse ya can't stand it.

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I bet the only thing you watch on television is re-runs. Must be terrible to only be allowed to look back in time.

Must be because current events are so much worse ya can't stand it.

We have to look back in time especially for the war crimes committed so hopefully it won't happen again. And thank you have just made my point!!!

I shared that my nephew was deploying to the Middle East but you said nothing about that. Your response tells me everything I understand Republicans to be!

[Guest]

Did GWB invade a country that did not attack the US based on lies? YES

Did Dick Cheney said the Iraq war would only cost 21 billion dollars and that Iraq would pay for it? YES


Iraq war: Predictions made, and results - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1222/Iraq-war-Predictions-made-and-results)

Did George W Bush land on an aircraft carrier and declare
major combat operations were over?

See for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrJwzYBUkU

Did he leave office with us still fighting an endless war? YES

Did he make a mess and didn't clean it up? YES

Did GWB authorize torture for prisoners of war?YES

I could go on but why?

You BLAME OBAMA FOR EVERYTHING

You want freedom of religion and cry there is a WAR ON CHRISTMAS when someone says Seasons Greetings.

You want your country back and on some points I could agree with that. I wish that Corporations would not ship jobs overseas so that the younger generation had a chance at a Middle Class life.

I will leave you with this...

In November think of my nephew who will deploy to the region for 7 months, hope as I hope that he does not return with a Purple Heart like his brother. And think of his mother and I as we live with fear once again for those 7 months.Thank-you It sounds to me like the entire family has courage. I also see things your way.

[Guest]

We have to look back in time especially for the war crimes committed so hopefully it won't happen again. And thank you have just made my point!!!

I shared that my nephew was deploying to the Middle East but you said nothing about that. Your response tells me everything I understand Republicans to be!

War crimes? What do you call Obama's use of drones that kill innocent civilians.

While I applaud your nephew's service to his country, just exactly what have you done. Those on the Left have no problem sharing in the accomplishments of others.

[Guest]

It's just a matter of time before there are drones here.
Do you really have to tell your whole life's story to have an opinion?

[Guest]

Did GWB invade a country that did not attack the US based on lies? YES

Did Dick Cheney said the Iraq war would only cost 21 billion dollars and that Iraq would pay for it? YES


Iraq war: Predictions made, and results - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1222/Iraq-war-Predictions-made-and-results)

Did George W Bush land on an aircraft carrier and declare
major combat operations were over?

See for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrJwzYBUkU

Did he leave office with us still fighting an endless war? YES

Did he make a mess and didn't clean it up? YES

Did GWB authorize torture for prisoners of war?YES

I could go on but why?

You BLAME OBAMA FOR EVERYTHING

You want freedom of religion and cry there is a WAR ON CHRISTMAS when someone says Seasons Greetings.

You want your country back and on some points I could agree with that. I wish that Corporations would not ship jobs overseas so that the younger generation had a chance at a Middle Class life.

I will leave you with this...

In November think of my nephew who will deploy to the region for 7 months, hope as I hope that he does not return with a Purple Heart like his brother. And think of his mother and I as we live with fear once again for those 7 months.

If you believe all that stuff above, then you are a very disappointing and naive person, that needs to quit listening to disgruntled radical lefties. You sound like a miserable person and I doubt very much you would ever be able to find a spouse that would stay with you very long. And there, you caused me to get personal. It was not my intention, but to not know about the conflict in the middle East is really a shame. I won't go into all that you have wrong, but I am sure that facts don't mean anything to you. Unlike Hillary, some gov employees know how to keep classified information SECRET.

[Guest]

Did GWB invade a country that did not attack the US based on lies? YES

Did Dick Cheney said the Iraq war would only cost 21 billion dollars and that Iraq would pay for it? YES


Iraq war: Predictions made, and results - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1222/Iraq-war-Predictions-made-and-results)

Did George W Bush land on an aircraft carrier and declare
major combat operations were over?

See for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrJwzYBUkU

Did he leave office with us still fighting an endless war? YES

Did he make a mess and didn't clean it up? YES

Did GWB authorize torture for prisoners of war?YES

I could go on but why?

You BLAME OBAMA FOR EVERYTHING

You want freedom of religion and cry there is a WAR ON CHRISTMAS when someone says Seasons Greetings.

You want your country back and on some points I could agree with that. I wish that Corporations would not ship jobs overseas so that the younger generation had a chance at a Middle Class life.

I will leave you with this...

In November think of my nephew who will deploy to the region for 7 months, hope as I hope that he does not return with a Purple Heart like his brother. And think of his mother and I as we live with fear once again for those 7 months.

Democrats that voted FOR the war in Iraq:

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

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[QUOTE=Guest;1203211]Democrats that voted FOR the war in Iraq:
Don't you find it interesting that both Sanders and Trump were against the war?
So was Dean.
It's hard to find too much on Trump making that point. In a way I would feel more comfortable if he said "that it was difficult knowing what was best for America. I understood both sides." But that would be changing history.

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Democrats that voted FOR the war in Iraq:

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

I voted for not one of these people....but they were feed the lies about the war by the Bush Administration as was the American people.

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION LIED. THAT A PROVEN ACT!

And thousands of American soldiers died because of these lies....But you cannot Handle the Truth.

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Democrats that voted FOR the war in Iraq:

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

There seems to be a name missing.....I think there was a Senator from IL that voted against the war.

Now what was his name? ..... Obama!

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War crimes? What do you call Obama's use of drones that kill innocent civilians.

While I applaud your nephew's service to his country, just exactly what have you done. Those on the Left have no problem sharing in the accomplishments of others.

I am proud of all my nephews so that you may further understand.

Air Force Pilot (Academy Grad) Vietnam War, pilot, 1st Gulf, Surgeon, 2nd Gulf.

Marine Gunnery Sargent, 2nd Gulf Tanks 5 times, Purple Heart

Nov 16 Capt Army reserves, 2nd Gulf.

As a women I choose to go into the other family profession, Medicine.

Your backhanded slam was uncalled for... I was only asking for thought for my nephew and my family. Look the post again.

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I voted for not one of these people....but they were feed the lies about the war by the Bush Administration as was the American people.

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION LIED. THAT A PROVEN ACT!

And thousands of American soldiers died because of these lies....But you cannot Handle the Truth.

That is the truth.. Congress voted in good conscience based on faulty information unfortunately.

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There seems to be a name missing.....I think there was a Senator from IL that voted against the war.

Now what was his name? ..... Obama!

Barack Obama was not a member of the US Senate at the time. Thus he did not vote on the invasion. But as a member of the state senate in Illinois, he expressed his vocal opposition, calling it a foolish decision by President Bush; and when he joined the U.S. senate in 2004, he voted against the surge and against additional funding for expanding the war. In 2008, as a candidate, he promised he would end our involvement in Iraq if he were elected, and that is exactly what he did.

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Barack Obama was not a member of the US Senate at the time. Thus he did not vote on the invasion. But as a member of the state senate in Illinois, he expressed his vocal opposition, calling it a foolish decision by President Bush; and when he joined the U.S. senate in 2004, he voted against the surge and against additional funding for expanding the war. In 2008, as a candidate, he promised he would end our involvement in Iraq if he were elected, and that is exactly what he did.

I stand corrected!!

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I voted for not one of these people....but they were feed the lies about the war by the Bush Administration as was the American people.

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION LIED. THAT A PROVEN ACT!

And thousands of American soldiers died because of these lies....But you cannot Handle the Truth.

Sorry to burst your bubble, and I do not want to get into a heated argument over this issue, since it is not related at all to the subject of the thread, but...

IMINT collection showed evidence of biological lab facilities capable of making WMDs. That's a proven, and I was privy to such information as an Intelligence analyst. Mass burials of thousands of bodies killed by poisonous gas (WMDs) prove that Sadamm DID have WMD's to kill those people. The time period between the intel and the actual invasion of Iraq was such that anyone could have walked the WMDs out of the country. That said, lets go to the undeniable reason that we were justified in attacking Iraq. Iraq violated the NO FLY ZONE consistently, daring us to do something about it. That violation warranted/justified the attack on Iraq.

It's real easy to blame Bush for not leaving Iraq, but the point has been proven that Obama DID leave Iraq way too early.

You talk about thousands of military lives taken? Did those military members get drafted? Or did they volunteer? Military members do not go into the service expecting never to have to go to war. They train for war. They are patriotic. Do not demean them by telling them that they fought for nothing. It was bad enough that liberals did that to us during Vietnam. Do not do it again. In Vietnam we lost near 60,000 lives and then another 50,000 by suicide afterward. People like you were a contributing factor to the suicides, I'm sure. How many million were killed in the World Wars? The battle of Gettysburg resulted in 50,000 Americans killed in that one battle. I am not demeaning the deaths in Iraq. Far be it that I would dishonor them. And you shouldn't either. They deserve ALL of our support and respect.

So, when you get done throwing stones at Bush, take a good look at your president right now. Terrorists attacks and what is he doing? Doing the wave at a CUBAN ball game, and then doing the Salsa in Argentina. Heaven help him if he was to break his trend and do his job.

Hillary says she plans to continue Obama's agenda. Just what we need, four more years like the last seven failed years.

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Barack Obama was not a member of the US Senate at the time. Thus he did not vote on the invasion. But as a member of the state senate in Illinois, he expressed his vocal opposition, calling it a foolish decision by President Bush; and when he joined the U.S. senate in 2004, he voted against the surge and against additional funding for expanding the war. In 2008, as a candidate, he promised he would end our involvement in Iraq if he were elected, and that is exactly what he did.

Yes, and he also was against raising the debt ceiling.

Oh,

And he was against election year appointments.

And

He was against gay marriage

I've seen women (no PC here) that have changed their minds less when rearranging furniture.

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And which president was responsible for the U.S. entering the Vietnam War? Oh yeah, a Democrat named President LB Johnson. Almost 60,000 American troops died there. Do we hold that against him? Not anyone that I know of. But, the left is sure adamant about it being another war that we shouldn't have been involved in. And yet, they leave his name out of it. Go figure.

And now, back to our feature program and thread.............

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Sorry to burst your bubble, and I do not want to get into a heated argument over this issue, since it is not related at all to the subject of the thread, but...

IMINT collection showed evidence of biological lab facilities capable of making WMDs. That's a proven, and I was privy to such information as an Intelligence analyst. Mass burials of thousands of bodies killed by poisonous gas (WMDs) prove that Sadamm DID have WMD's to kill those people. The time period between the intel and the actual invasion of Iraq was such that anyone could have walked the WMDs out of the country. That said, lets go to the undeniable reason that we were justified in attacking Iraq. Iraq violated the NO FLY ZONE consistently, daring us to do something about it. That violation warranted/justified the attack on Iraq.

It's real easy to blame Bush for not leaving Iraq, but the point has been proven that Obama DID leave Iraq way too early.

You talk about thousands of military lives taken? Did those military members get drafted? Or did they volunteer? Military members do not go into the service expecting never to have to go to war. They train for war. They are patriotic. Do not demean them by telling them that they fought for nothing. It was bad enough that liberals did that to us during Vietnam. Do not do it again. In Vietnam we lost near 60,000 lives and then another 50,000 by suicide afterward. People like you were a contributing factor to the suicides, I'm sure. How many million were killed in the World Wars? The battle of Gettysburg resulted in 50,000 Americans killed in that one battle. I am not demeaning the deaths in Iraq. Far be it that I would dishonor them. And you shouldn't either. They deserve ALL of our support and respect.

So, when you get done throwing stones at Bush, take a good look at your president right now. Terrorists attacks and what is he doing? Doing the wave at a CUBAN ball game, and then doing the Salsa in Argentina. Heaven help him if he was to break his trend and do his job.

Hillary says she plans to continue Obama's agenda. Just what we need, four more years like the last seven failed years.

Iraq's nuclear program was a couple of centrifuges in a backyard. Did Iraq use gas on US citizens...nope. And the reason we went into Iraq was because Cheney was ****ed Saddam outwitted him when Cheney allowed them to use helicopters in that region.

I deplore the Republican's use our troops as Cannon Fodder in wars that have no impact on the US.

1st Gulf
2nd Gulf ( Iraq did not arrack us)

Obama left Iraq to early...perhaps you missed the part that Iraq told the US to leave.

U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/us-troops-are-leaving-because-iraq-doesnt-want-them-there/247174/)

Obama was on a diplomatic trip which included a baseball game...was the United States attacked during the game?
As for him dancing the only thing I can say is he dances better than GWB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqy91GnS-Bg

You have been watching Faux News and are just repeating the party line.

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Iraq's nuclear program was a couple of centrifuges in a backyard. Did Iraq use gas on US citizens...nope. And the reason we went into Iraq was because Cheney was ****ed Saddam outwitted him when Cheney allowed them to use helicopters in that region.

I deplore the Republican's use our troops as Cannon Fodder in wars that have no impact on the US.

1st Gulf
2nd Gulf ( Iraq did not arrack us)

Obama left Iraq to early...perhaps you missed the part that Iraq told the US to leave.

U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/us-troops-are-leaving-because-iraq-doesnt-want-them-there/247174/)

Obama was on a diplomatic trip which included a baseball game...was the United States attacked during the game?
As for him dancing the only thing I can say is he dances better than GWB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqy91GnS-Bg

You have been watching Faux News and are just repeating the party line.

Is there a point buried somewhere in this catharsis?

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And which president was responsible for the U.S. entering the Vietnam War? Oh yeah, a Democrat named President LB Johnson. Almost 60,000 American troops died there. Do we hold that against him? Not anyone that I know of. But, the left is sure adamant about it being another war that we shouldn't have been involved in. And yet, they leave his name out of it. Go figure.

And now, back to our feature program and thread.............
Why was it called Lyndon Johnson's War?

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Is there a point buried somewhere in this catharsis?

I just knew you would miss it!

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Why was it called Lyndon Johnson's War?

Actually sadly it was Kennedy he signed the orders just before he left for Dallas.

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Actually sadly it was Kennedy he signed the orders just before he left for Dallas.
The question was, Why was it called Johnson's War?

The fact that both were democrats does not matter.

Were all those demonstrators in the 60's the sons and daughters of angry republicans?


This isn't a ball game or Chevy is better than Ford. It's not always about the party. Who is the party of slavery and the KKK? You don't get any points for either question. It's about understanding how we got to where we are and how we can give our children a better chance in life.

Isn't that what old age teaches us?

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It's about understanding how we got to where we are and how we can give our children a better chance in life.

Isn't that what old age teaches us?

We got here by corruption. The D and R parties got us here. Voting them out is our only hope.

Many of us don't learn, it seems 4 years makes us forget...

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We got here by corruption. The D and R parties got us here. Voting them out is our only hope.

Many of us don't learn, it seems 4 years makes us forget...
You want someone that is different?

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And which president was responsible for the U.S. entering the Vietnam War? Oh yeah, a Democrat named President LB Johnson. Almost 60,000 American troops died there. Do we hold that against him? Not anyone that I know of. But, the left is sure adamant about it being another war that we shouldn't have been involved in. And yet, they leave his name out of it. Go figure.

And now, back to our feature program and thread.............

You don't know anybody that faulted LBJ for his Viet Nam agenda? You must lead a lonely life.

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Iraq's nuclear program was a couple of centrifuges in a backyard. Did Iraq use gas on US citizens...nope. And the reason we went into Iraq was because Cheney was ****ed Saddam outwitted him when Cheney allowed them to use helicopters in that region.

I deplore the Republican's use our troops as Cannon Fodder in wars that have no impact on the US.

1st Gulf
2nd Gulf ( Iraq did not arrack us)

Obama left Iraq to early...perhaps you missed the part that Iraq told the US to leave.

U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/us-troops-are-leaving-because-iraq-doesnt-want-them-there/247174/)

Obama was on a diplomatic trip which included a baseball game...was the United States attacked during the game?
As for him dancing the only thing I can say is he dances better than GWB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqy91GnS-Bg

You have been watching Faux News and are just repeating the party line.

Sorry to disillusion you but my information does not come from your "Faux News." Hope that doesn't hurt your pacifist, cowardly nature.

Yes, America WAS attacked in Brussels. But, perhaps your NBC or MSNBC news didn't enlighten you on that. You were probably watching reruns of Obama in his staring role as Dancing with the POTUS, or giving lessons on doing the wave at the Cuban baseball game. He's definitely got his priorities straight.

American troops are leaving because Iraq doesn't want them there? Are you kidding? Really? That is so funny. Did we ask them permission to invade? Man you liberals and your Global Warming being more important than terrorism, is just more than any sane people can make excuses for.

So, you are ready to elect Bernie the communist pervert or Hillary the criminal that hate the military, cares nothing for national security and classified secrets, and is a tax violator. WE won't go into the lies she perpetrated or how she left her employees out to dry when they needed her backing, allowing them to be killed. Or how she covered it up by claiming a video was the cause. But, yes we know, it's all a Republican conspiracy.

And Obama dances on, and on,......and on......and retirement is right around the corner. Only a couple E.O.s to go.

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Laws mean nothing to the left, so what's the point?

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Laws mean nothing to the left, so what's the point?

Laws mean nothing to the right either. Both sides break them or have them changed.

Both parties are as corrupt as can be...and you'll obligingly vote for the next crook too. What a bunch of whipped wimps you are. For for who YOU want, not who they want you to vote for.

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We got here by corruption. The D and R parties got us here. Voting them out is our only hope.

Many of us don't learn, it seems 4 years makes us forget...

I'm sorry. I have done this before and I think I made the same mistake again.

After getting beat on the head after every response I thought you were just doing the same.

I agree that I don't know who is pulling the strings. Eisenhower was concerned about the very same problem. He called it the military machine. Because he is a man of principals it needs to be considered.

I don't trust Trump. I don't know if Bernie can get enough traction even if he is elected.

I'm just trying to figure it all out. I don't have any answers either.

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Laws mean nothing to the right either. Both sides break them or have them changed.

Both parties are as corrupt as can be...and you'll obligingly vote for the next crook too. What a bunch of whipped wimps you are. For for who YOU want, not who they want you to vote for.

Then don't vote, and be the stooge that you appear to be. No one cares if you vote or not. Sit back and complain. That will really gain a lot. You are a miserable person.

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Obama's approval rating, meanwhile, stands at its highest point since May 2013, and the public expresses broader confidence in him to handle top issues than the Republican leadership in Congress.

Majorities of Americans say they have confidence in Obama on dealing with the economy, handling foreign affairs, appointing the best people to office and providing real leadership for the country. Those figures are all down since December 2008, about a month before Obama took office, but they are well above the public's reviews for the Republican leaders in Congress on the same measure. A majority express confidence in those leaders on handling foreign affairs, but most say they have no real confidence in Republican leaders on the economy, providing real leadership for the country or on their constitutional role of providing advice and consent on presidential appointments.

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Then don't vote, and be the stooge that you appear to be. No one cares if you vote or not. Sit back and complain. That will really gain a lot. You are a miserable person.

I will vote, but not for a D or R crook. I'm miserable because I won't vote for a crook? You are the stooge...go ahead, vote for the thief they've place in front of you. Believe them when they tell you...ONLY "our guys" can win. If I'm miserable, it's from dealing with the ignorant rabble who throw up their hands and say...what choice do I have?

Obama's approval rating, meanwhile, stands at its highest point since May 2013, and the public expresses broader confidence in him to handle top issues than the Republican leadership in Congress.

Majorities of Americans say they have confidence in Obama on dealing with the economy, handling foreign affairs, appointing the best people to office and providing real leadership for the country. Those figures are all down since December 2008, about a month before Obama took office, but they are well above the public's reviews for the Republican leaders in Congress on the same measure. A majority express confidence in those leaders on handling foreign affairs, but most say they have no real confidence in Republican leaders on the economy, providing real leadership for the country or on their constitutional role of providing advice and consent on presidential appointments.

Turn off the "news", NOBODY but gays, blacks, and a few brain dead women think he's doing a good job. Not very good company. The country is going to hell. Thank the Ds and Rs, and keep voting for "their guy". Fools...

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The Republican party is slowly imploding with its slate of cuckoo would be presidential candidates, and the poor leadership and performance in Congress. Those worried about "the lawless left" should worry about the conservative right falling apart. The public is tired of their shenanigans and their refusal to work with the Democrats. The diehard conservatives live in a bubble based on nostalgia and pining for the old days. What they don't get is that the old days were really quite bad. They must be pining for the days of racism when lynchings and segregation were the norm, the days that women stayed home and didn't have a place in industry or leadership, the days of fear of global nuclear war, the days when Jews couldn't get into country clubs. And they have Fox news to fan that nostalgia, but sadly they are out of touch with the majority of Americans.

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The Republican party is slowly imploding with its slate of cuckoo would be presidential candidates, and the poor leadership and performance in Congress. Those worried about "the lawless left" should worry about the conservative right falling apart. The public is tired of their shenanigans and their refusal to work with the Democrats. The diehard conservatives live in a bubble based on nostalgia and pining for the old days. What they don't get is that the old days were really quite bad. They must be pining for the days of racism when lynchings and segregation were the norm, the days that women stayed home and didn't have a place in industry or leadership, the days of fear of global nuclear war, the days when Jews couldn't get into country clubs. And they have Fox news to fan that nostalgia, but sadly they are out of touch with the majority of Americans.

You live in a very special place in your mind. Yes, the Republican party is having to reevaluate itself. But, to make a uninformed comment that it has poor leadership in congress is to totally disregard the dictatorial rule of Reid and Pelosi that failed so miserably. You can't blame that on the Republicans. They did that to themselves, by themselves. They should never have gone against the majority of America with their extreme left movement. The left is floundering because of power happy idiots that cared nothing for this country.

Racism is a figment of liberal imagination that has been fed and nurtured by the liberals until it has become a divisive trait culminating from the left. It has only become a reality in this generation because of the divisive leadership(?) of the left in the last seven years. Racism and bigotry is a tool of the left.

To say that the Republicans are failing is actually quite ludicrous. There has been an increase in voter turnout by a minimum of 50% in the Republican primaries. There has been a decrease in Democrat voter turnout of more than 20%. Democrats are in a panic.

You say stupid things like how conservatives wish for the good old days of racism and warmongering. I say stupid, because you can't possible be that retarded to believe the liberal lies. Do you not see what is happening even this week all over the world? Terrorism is not a figment of imagination and will not go away peacefully. You liberals sit back and complain about a relative that might have to fight and blame it on conservatives. News flash, when you show weakness to Islamic extremists it works like blood to sharks. We will have to fight a long and bloody war because of stupid liberal PC. You can't acknowledge the enemy so the enemy laughs at you and kills your family. You are at fault, not the conservatives. You can't reason and negotiate with these fanatics. You have to kill a lot of them and then threaten the rest. They only respect power. They have always been like that. Too bad liberal history does not reveal that to you. You have the new history books that says America is wrong for being involved. Well, you can stand back and not help our allies, but eventually the war will be here and those allies will stand back and enjoy seeing us grovel in the dirt helplessly weak.

Conservatives have been too quiet about the liberal trend of accusing them for their own failures. Congressional Republicans did not take part in the illegally forced through Obamacare bill, and now the left blames it's failure on the Republicans. Sorry, but you own it. Being a party of "no" is a good thing when it comes to gov spending. And Obamacare is going to cost us trillions and may even be our downfall if not taken out of the equation.

So, blame us for racism and bigotry, but it is the left that caused the division, not the right. Don't agree, then prove it. WE had problems with neither before Obama. And now there is a higher rate of minority unemployment, record food stamps and highest rate of non-working force since the depression. The Republicans did cause the slowest recovery of ANY recession or depression in history. That's all the left's leadership and control that owns it.

So, keep spouting your lefty lies but grownups aren't going to fall for it. Go back to your high school blog where you might convince someone.

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You live in a very special place in your mind. Yes, the Republican party is having to reevaluate itself. But, to make a uninformed comment that it has poor leadership in congress is to totally disregard the dictatorial rule of Reid and Pelosi that failed so miserably. You can't blame that on the Republicans. They did that to themselves, by themselves. They should never have gone against the majority of America with their extreme left movement. The left is floundering because of power happy idiots that cared nothing for this country.

Racism is a figment of liberal imagination that has been fed and nurtured by the liberals until it has become a divisive trait culminating from the left. It has only become a reality in this generation because of the divisive leadership(?) of the left in the last seven years. Racism and bigotry is a tool of the left.

To say that the Republicans are failing is actually quite ludicrous. There has been an increase in voter turnout by a minimum of 50% in the Republican primaries. There has been a decrease in Democrat voter turnout of more than 20%. Democrats are in a panic.

You say stupid things like how conservatives wish for the good old days of racism and warmongering. I say stupid, because you can't possible be that retarded to believe the liberal lies. Do you not see what is happening even this week all over the world? Terrorism is not a figment of imagination and will not go away peacefully. You liberals sit back and complain about a relative that might have to fight and blame it on conservatives. News flash, when you show weakness to Islamic extremists it works like blood to sharks. We will have to fight a long and bloody war because of stupid liberal PC. You can't acknowledge the enemy so the enemy laughs at you and kills your family. You are at fault, not the conservatives. You can't reason and negotiate with these fanatics. You have to kill a lot of them and then threaten the rest. They only respect power. They have always been like that. Too bad liberal history does not reveal that to you. You have the new history books that says America is wrong for being involved. Well, you can stand back and not help our allies, but eventually the war will be here and those allies will stand back and enjoy seeing us grovel in the dirt helplessly weak.

Conservatives have been too quiet about the liberal trend of accusing them for their own failures. Congressional Republicans did not take part in the illegally forced through Obamacare bill, and now the left blames it's failure on the Republicans. Sorry, but you own it. Being a party of "no" is a good thing when it comes to gov spending. And Obamacare is going to cost us trillions and may even be our downfall if not taken out of the equation.

So, blame us for racism and bigotry, but it is the left that caused the division, not the right. Don't agree, then prove it. WE had problems with neither before Obama. And now there is a higher rate of minority unemployment, record food stamps and highest rate of non-working force since the depression. The Republicans did cause the slowest recovery of ANY recession or depression in history. That's all the left's leadership and control that owns it.

So, keep spouting your lefty lies but grownups aren't going to fall for it. Go back to your high school blog where you might convince someone.

No edit button. Should say:
The Republicans did NOT cause the slowest recovery of ANY recession or depression in history.

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No edit button. Should say:
The Republicans did NOT cause the slowest recovery of ANY recession or depression in history.

The opposition and especially inepts like Obama who only know how to speak (I should say read) and the lemmings who believe and follow have no concept or responsibility to DOING SOMETHING about a problem.

Of course we all know it is safer to be a bleacher quarter back and just run ones mouth.

In Obama's case it is a blessing in disguise. The less he does the better off we are.

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The opposition and especially inepts like Obama who only know how to speak (I should say read) and the lemmings who believe and follow have no concept or responsibility to DOING SOMETHING about a problem.

Of course we all know it is safer to be a bleacher quarter back and just run ones mouth.

In Obama's case it is a blessing in disguise. The less he does the better off we are.

:agree: absolutely!

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so tired already of the mobs of protesters denying thousands their first amendment rights to attend Trump rallies. they have the right to protest peacefully but when they try to close highways etc something must be done about them...most are instigated by MoveOn.org, Bernie's young and ignorant supporters, Black Lives Matter and overtly leftist organizations... if any Republican Never Trump people are participating (which i doubt) they must stop to think that Cruz will be the next target if Trump is gotten out of the way.

i wonder if Bernie's crowd will riot like this when they figure out that Bernie will also be robbed of his votes by the Democrat machine. All Amercans must realize that this is in illegal method of forcing their opinions on the whole country....it worked on Sea World, don't let it work on our nation!

Boohoo, I'm so sorry you repubs, by the thousands could not see trump, the coward, bigot, vulgar, mentally unbalanced new leader of the repub fragmented party. lol

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That " great life " you had back in the 60`s and 70`s was paid for by people who went to work everyday just as you most likely did .
Bernie and Hillary`s crowd want everything for free .

Yes and they were in unions, something your supreme commander, reagan, showed the companies how to get rid of. There was a middle class making a decent living, its gone.

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Great post. Obviously, the chicken hawk behind his keyboard is a "meathead".

I thought the repubs were for law and order, or did the go the way of family values?

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Yes and they were in unions, something your supreme commander, reagan, showed the companies how to get rid of. There was a middle class making a decent living, its gone.

You're right, the middle class is about gone, thanks to the left. They want everyone to be poor, so the elite can be the royalty they crave so. Unions served their purpose until gov regulations made them no longer necessary. Now, the mob has to find other venues for their revenue.

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I thought the repubs were for law and order, or did the go the way of family values?

Naw, if the Republicans did away with their "law and order and family values" then we would be libtards. It's amazing how you libtards feel that it is perfectly acceptable to enter a function and create a disturbance, and then blame the those that are peacefully gathered to participate in that function. The left perpetrates the crime and then becomes the victim.

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Dear Guests:

Can't we end the madness? We better or we are all going to go down a rabbit hole to the abyss.

Let's agree that there are some sensible progressives, libertarians, conservatives. What all of us focus on too much are the extremes found in everyone of the aforementioned.

Too many of our leaders and their followers have become too reactionary.
Is "reactionary" a good trait for a leader?

On a micro level could you live with a spouse who is always reactionary? I doubt so.

Move On. Org was first organized to come to the defense of Bill Clinton during his days of impeachment. Move On. Org wanted him censured and the matter closed. Since then they have become a force for the progressive leftist. Their actions equate to those of Black Lives Matter, white supremacist , etc. Their aim is anarchy.

We are treading on very dangerous ground with the brand of politic prevalent in this nation today. Trump Clinton Sanders and Cruz all equal division.

Please help stop the madness. Demand civil discourse. Demand solutions to problems and avoidance of name calling. We are running out of time.

Personal Best Regards:

anarchy : "absence of government" Sounds like repubs saying from day one of Obama's administration, we will do everything to bring him down. Not what is good for the country, but what can we do to block everything. The recent blockage is the supreme court. Oh, I know they are doing their job. lol

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Yes and they were in unions, something your supreme commander, reagan, showed the companies how to get rid of. There was a middle class making a decent living, its gone.

The corporations moved the jobs, Americans were too expensive to employ.

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anarchy : "absence of government" Sounds like repubs saying from day one of Obama's administration, we will do everything to bring him down. Not what is good for the country, but what can we do to block everything. The recent blockage is the supreme court. Oh, I know they are doing their job. lol

When you have a candidate Obama campaigning with the idea of doing everything he can to socialize this country, YES it is the responsibility of those that we elected to keep that from happening. Apparently the majority agreed with us, and that is the reasoning behind a Republican majority in congress. Obama ran on a platform of bringing everyone together and then told everyone that the Republicans were "the enemy.....and should sit at the back of the bus."
Obama became the enemy, as well as Grayson that said that republicans wanted old people to die. Pelogrossi said the Tea Party was astro turf. Reid stopped all bills that entered the Senate from the House and kept them from being voted upon, and you wonder why conservatives sought to limit the left?

And yes, the blocking of the supreme court nomination is no different than what the left would do and did promise to do in the past. You indignation is quite disingenuous.

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You're right, the middle class is about gone, thanks to the left. They want everyone to be poor, so the elite can be the royalty they crave so. Unions served their purpose until gov regulations made them no longer necessary. Now, the mob has to find other venues for their revenue.

This is such CRAP....The right wing is so ignorant they vote for a party doesn't care about the middle class. They bust unions and label it a "Right to Work State" Yep its a right to work for less. Are the lefties shipping jobs overseas...no that is the Corporations doing that for more profit. We cut their taxes, I paid a higher percentage on my taxes than many corps. You all have embraced Reaganomics.....Why don't you look that whats happened to Kansas, Louisiana, New Jersey and Wisconsin after 8 years of this crap.

Stop watching Faux News...they just lie to you!

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...it worked on Sea World, don't let it work on our nation![this quote is from post number 1--I forgot how this thread started]


What worked on Sea World?
What was the Sea World lesson I missed?
What is it that we need to be afraid of now?
Is it the controversy over captive killer whales?
Are killer whales crossing the border too?

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[this quote is from post number 1--I forgot how this thread started]


What worked on Sea World?
What was the Sea World lesson I missed?
What is it that we need to be afraid of now?
Is it the controversy over captive killer whales?
Are killer whales crossing the border too?

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This is such CRAP....The right wing is so ignorant they vote for a party doesn't care about the middle class. They bust unions and label it a "Right to Work State" Yep its a right to work for less. Are the lefties shipping jobs overseas...no that is the Corporations doing that for more profit. We cut their taxes, I paid a higher percentage on my taxes than many corps. You all have embraced Reaganomics.....Why don't you look that whats happened to Kansas, Louisiana, New Jersey and Wisconsin after 8 years of this crap.

Stop watching Faux News...they just lie to you!

Dude, it was the last seven years of liberal control that hurt the middle class. Look at the statistics. Don't be so resistant to learning something new. It's the 21st century. Things have changed since you were out comatose, Van Winkle. Take a chill pill, and open a book or use the Google. It's pretty easy, really.

If you are so hot on Socialism, try reading about how it's hosing up Europe. Here, I'll make it easy for you, Google "Greece." Come back after you do that and I will give you some more homework.

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Here's a link about the American middle class slipping since 1979.
5 Charts That Show How the Middle Class Is Disappearing | BillMoyers.com (http://billmoyers.com/2015/01/26/middle-class/)

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The only way to increase the lifestyle of the middle class is to provide a decent, less restrictive playing field for businesses that hire workers. If the economy is up, then the wages go up and there is more hiring. We have a crappy economy, so we have a stagnant middle class. More rules, regulations and restrictions, cause less hiring. Less profit available to business, less hiring and less wage increases. In the past seven years, the gov has attempted to restrict and regulate busines to the point where they are not playing along. No matter what Obama and the socialists say, you can't increase the middle class by making someone pay higher taxes. That money is not going to the middle class. The higher the taxes, the less employment your are going to have. The less wage hikes you are going to have. All you will accomplish is putting more people on a gov subsidy.

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The only way to increase the lifestyle of the middle class is to provide a decent, less restrictive playing field for businesses that hire workers. If the economy is up, then the wages go up and there is more hiring. We have a crappy economy, so we have a stagnant middle class. More rules, regulations and restrictions, cause less hiring. Less profit available to business, less hiring and less wage increases. In the past seven years, the gov has attempted to restrict and regulate busines to the point where they are not playing along. No matter what Obama and the socialists say, you can't increase the middle class by making someone pay higher taxes. That money is not going to the middle class. The higher the taxes, the less employment your are going to have. The less wage hikes you are going to have. All you will accomplish is putting more people on a gov subsidy.

Which is the problem as that is what is expected. Let them work for what they get like they did in the 30's and 40's with federal work projects.

Let them work on building THE WALL!

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Which is the problem as that is what is expected. Let them work for what they get like they did in the 30's and 40's with federal work projects.

Let them work on building THE WALL!
I think you are correct. We need Federal Works Projects. We need to do something drastic to get people back to work. I would rather see all those workers correcting the infrastructure. I see some common ground here. How did all those programs funded? We need a man courageous enough to act like Presidents Roosevelt and Taft.

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I think you are correct. We need Federal Works Projects. We need to do something drastic to get people back to work. I would rather see all those workers correcting the infrastructure. I see some common ground here. How did all those programs funded? We need a man courageous enough to act like Presidents Roosevelt and Taft.

You had me until you got to the line with Roosevelt in it. I've got no use for a socialist. But, otherwise I concur.

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I wonder how many folks would remain on welfare if you made a stipulation that in order to collect their welfare, they must put in so many hours working on the wall or infrastructure? Why not make them do SOMETHING for the gov freebie? I bet we would literally do away with poverty level citizens.

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My dad told me he didn't know he was poor during the depression. He said everyone was poor. If he had a TV or the internet back then he would know he was poor. His hobby was pigeons. Eventually he got around to golf.

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You had me until you got to the line with Roosevelt in it. I've got no use for a socialist. But, otherwise I concur.
You like the program but not the man who thought of it and got it passed.

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Dude, it was the last seven years of liberal control that hurt the middle class. Look at the statistics. Don't be so resistant to learning something new. It's the 21st century. Things have changed since you were out comatose, Van Winkle. Take a chill pill, and open a book or use the Google. It's pretty easy, really.

If you are so hot on Socialism, try reading about how it's hosing up Europe. Here, I'll make it easy for you, Google "Greece." Come back after you do that and I will give you some more homework.

Try 35 years of trickle down and cuts fir the rich. Get your facts straight.

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I wonder how many folks would remain on welfare if you made a stipulation that in order to collect their welfare, they must put in so many hours working on the wall or infrastructure? Why not make them do SOMETHING for the gov freebie? I bet we would literally do away with poverty level citizens.

That's slavery. Why do you think half the blacks are on welfare? Nobodies gonna MAKE them do ****!

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That's slavery. Why do you think half the blacks are on welfare? Nobodies gonna MAKE them do ****!
My grandmother use to tie onions on the bottom of my feet when I got a high fever. My mom went along with it because it was harmless.

My point is that not all old people make sense but because of Trump just being Trump anything stupid that jumps in their head does not need to be filtered anymore. The philosophy that to be PC is to be in opposition to the first amendment.

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You like the program but not the man who thought of it and got it passed.

I like my Medicare and Social Security...Thanks to Roosevelt.

They allow the Middle Class to retire safely.

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That's slavery. Why do you think half the blacks are on welfare? Nobodies gonna MAKE them do ****!

Guess which state collect the most Welfare?

It Looks Like Red States Take Most in Federal ‘Welfare’ from this Map. But Looks Can Be Deceiving. (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/01/230371-2-map-shows-red-states-rely-federal-aid-looks-can-deceiving/)

Lazy ass whites collect welfare to!!!

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Guess which state collect the most Welfare?

It Looks Like Red States Take Most in Federal ‘Welfare’ from this Map. But Looks Can Be Deceiving. (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/01/230371-2-map-shows-red-states-rely-federal-aid-looks-can-deceiving/)

Lazy ass whites collect welfare to!!!

They sure do, but percentage wise, blacks are the clear winners. You know that, so stop being dishonest.

Half the blacks are on welfare in BOTH red and blue states. What's your point? Percentage wise the black population is higher in red states. What's your point? The higher the percentage of blacks in a state the higher the need for federal help to pay for them? I agree.

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I like my Medicare and Social Security...Thanks to Roosevelt.

They allow the Middle Class to retire safely.

I am glad you are "safe." Although, I guess some have given up their pride to allow the gov to control their retirement like that. Doesn't say much for good old American self-reliance. I have never used my Medicare, since I have private insurance. For me, it was a waste of payroll taxes for the past 45 years. Social Security was OK in the last century, but now is so outdated it's now a Ponzi scheme. If it had been invested properly like for instance the Thrift Savings Plan, I would be living in a much better standard of living. Unfortunately, our SS fund was borrowed from by congress to pay bills and all we have now is IOU's with low interest returns. And by the way, you enjoy your SS now because if someone doesn't do something about it soon, they will have to cut the payments down to management levels. And they can, too. And forget about our children getting any benefit from SS. It won't be there unless congress does something about it. The numbers are just not there. Not when you have 50% of the population out of the workforce.

So, live in your Obama Utopia and maybe vote for Sander's socialism, because the days of the great middle class is behind us....thanks to a greedy over spending congress that has hosed up the economy and makes it even worst by passing the monster Obamacare that will bankrupt and finish off our country. Can't blame Obamacare on the Republicans.

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So, live in your Obama Utopia and maybe vote for Sander's socialism, because the days of the great middle class is behind us....thanks to a greedy over spending congress that has hosed up the economy and makes it even worst by passing the monster Obamacare that will bankrupt and finish off our country. Can't blame Obamacare on the Republicans.

It's the big corporations that run/control everything, that's where the blame should go. THEY put their guys in government to do their bidding.

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It's the big corporations that run/control everything, that's where the blame should go. THEY put their guys in government to do their bidding.

I have no problem with big corporations, or the wealthy. As a matter of fact, I hope the rich get richer, because that causes the rest of us to live a better lifestyle providing them with their luxuries. They also invest in the market, which means more profit and that builds everyone's retirement. You can't have it both ways. You can't penalize the wealthy and corporations and still have a decent retirement. The government does not provide your retirement, big business does. Big banks do. Investments provide the profit that makes your retirement, not the government. AND, the wealthy pay most of the taxes, so that 50% do not have to pay income taxes. Keep discriminating against the wealthy and see if you don't end up paying your fair share of taxes when the rich leave the country after closing their businesses or taking them overseas. Then you can all live a life of Sanders, with threadbare suits and poverty, subsidized lifestyle. Of course, the Sanders of socialism are the elite and will live better than the minions/peons.

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I have no problem with big corporations, or the wealthy. As a matter of fact, I hope the rich get richer, because that causes the rest of us to live a better lifestyle providing them with their luxuries. They also invest in the market, which means more profit and that builds everyone's retirement. You can't have it both ways. You can't penalize the wealthy and corporations and still have a decent retirement. The government does not provide your retirement, big business does. Big banks do. Investments provide the profit that makes your retirement, not the government. AND, the wealthy pay most of the taxes, so that 50% do not have to pay income taxes. Keep discriminating against the wealthy and see if you don't end up paying your fair share of taxes when the rich leave the country after closing their businesses or taking them overseas. Then you can all live a life of Sanders, with threadbare suits and poverty, subsidized lifestyle. Of course, the Sanders of socialism are the elite and will live better than the minions/peons.

Everything you said is wrong.

Me working so someone else can get more is good for me? If there are 10 people with $100 and one takes most of our money, how is that better for the rest of us? That's what the rich ARE doing, collecting more and more that SHOULD be more spread out. How does a "rich guy" getting more and more help MY retirement?

I provided my retirement, not government or big business. I saved, I made investments. They skimmed from me. Government took a cut of my profits. Corporations put those tax laws in place through control of politicians and regulators. Do you think it's an accident that most major corporations pay very little tax? Yes, the customers ultimately pay ALL the taxes, but why charge them more when you don't have to?

Don't even get me started on banks. I'll bet you know NOTHING of fractional reserve banking, fiat currencies, the derivatives market, etc. They "create money" out of thin air and "lend it to people at interest". Quite the racket. And they're SO greedy, they make highly leveraged, irrational bets, to try to make even more. Banking is a Ponzi. Your retirement is based on a Ponzi system. I'm praying it lasts another 30 years. Negative interest rates sweeping the globe does not bode well.

The wealthy do whatever they can to avoid taxes. The middle class bears the tax burden, not in raw numbers but in their % of income lost. They ALREADY left and MOVED their businesses...to China and other 3rd world countries where there are not taxes or workers rights. Unions made American workers unprofitable.

I don't want the poor stealing from me via socialism. I don't want the rich stealing from me via government.

The corporations own the government, they make laws and regulations favorable to themselves. It's gone too far and they need to be reigned in.

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Everything you said is wrong.

Me working so someone else can get more is good for me? If there are 10 people with $100 and one takes most of our money, how is that better for the rest of us? That's what the rich ARE doing, collecting more and more that SHOULD be more spread out. How does a "rich guy" getting more and more help MY retirement?

I provided my retirement, not government or big business. I saved, I made investments. They skimmed from me. Government took a cut of my profits. Corporations put those tax laws in place through control of politicians and regulators. Do you think it's an accident that most major corporations pay very little tax? Yes, the customers ultimately pay ALL the taxes, but why charge them more when you don't have to?

Don't even get me started on banks. I'll bet you know NOTHING of fractional reserve banking, fiat currencies, the derivatives market, etc. They "create money" out of thin air and "lend it to people at interest". Quite the racket. And they're SO greedy, they make highly leveraged, irrational bets, to try to make even more. Banking is a Ponzi. Your retirement is based on a Ponzi system. I'm praying it lasts another 30 years. Negative interest rates sweeping the globe does not bode well.

The wealthy do whatever they can to avoid taxes. The middle class bears the tax burden, not in raw numbers but in their % of income lost. They ALREADY left and MOVED their businesses...to China and other 3rd world countries where there are not taxes or workers rights. Unions made American workers unprofitable.

I don't want the poor stealing from me via socialism. I don't want the rich stealing from me via government.

The corporations own the government, they make laws and regulations favorable to themselves. It's gone too far and they need to be reigned in.

You proved me right. You don't know what you are talking about in regards to your retirement. You invested and made money for retirement. What did you invest in? Big business or banks? They made money using your money and they gave it back out of their profit, with interest.
It is their right to pay as little taxes as possible. Where do you get off expecting someone else to pay more taxes than the law stipulates. Even the Supreme Court said that you should not pay more taxes than the law requires.
The rich does not "steal" from you. You are an idiot that listens to socialist propaganda.
Corporations pay very little taxes? You are kidding right? You do realize that lower oil prices are hitting tax revenues really bad right now, right? States are getting hard because of their lack of tax revenues from the oil industry. The oil industry pays billions of dollars in tax revenues.

The top 20% of earners pay almost 85% of income tax revenues.
About 30% of tax filers get money back that they never contributed, due to EITC.
So, over 50% do not pay income federal income taxes.
And I do not blame any particular party. Although, Bush is responsible for the Earned Income Credit and tax breaks, and has been the cause of more Obama voters.

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You proved me right. You don't know what you are talking about in regards to your retirement. You invested and made money for retirement. What did you invest in? Big business or banks? They made money using your money and they gave it back out of their profit, with interest.
It is their right to pay as little taxes as possible. Where do you get off expecting someone else to pay more taxes than the law stipulates. Even the Supreme Court said that you should not pay more taxes than the law requires.
The rich does not "steal" from you. You are an idiot that listens to socialist propaganda.
Corporations pay very little taxes? You are kidding right? You do realize that lower oil prices are hitting tax revenues really bad right now, right? States are getting hard because of their lack of tax revenues from the oil industry. The oil industry pays billions of dollars in tax revenues.

The top 20% of earners pay almost 85% of income tax revenues.
About 30% of tax filers get money back that they never contributed, due to EITC.
So, over 50% do not pay income federal income taxes.
And I do not blame any particular party. Although, Bush is responsible for the Earned Income Credit and tax breaks, and has been the cause of more Obama voters.

OK Mr ignorant...

Real estate and saving is where my retirement came from. The ONLY input from corporations/banks was the bank "made up money to lend me"...and then charged me interest.

The corporations own the government which sets the tax rates/laws. It is done in their favor. They also pass laws that takes MORE than our fair share. If you added up ALL the taxes you pay, you'd be astounded, probably half of everything you spend is tax. For a steak at a restaurant...taxes paid by the farmer on his land/equipment, a tax on the steer, tax on the food, medicines the steer took/ate, tax on the grain he ate, tax on the diesel for the tractors, taxes paid on the tractor, taxes paid to the shipper, the fuel used, taxes paid by the slaughter house, taxes paid to the wholesaler, taxes paid to the restaurant, the cook, waitress...get it?

Taxes skim from you to someone connected with government.

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OK Mr ignorant...

Real estate and saving is where my retirement came from. The ONLY input from corporations/banks was the bank "made up money to lend me"...and then charged me interest.

The corporations own the government which sets the tax rates/laws. It is done in their favor. They also pass laws that takes MORE than our fair share. If you added up ALL the taxes you pay, you'd be astounded, probably half of everything you spend is tax. For a steak at a restaurant...taxes paid by the farmer on his land/equipment, a tax on the steer, tax on the food, medicines the steer took/ate, tax on the grain he ate, tax on the diesel for the tractors, taxes paid on the tractor, taxes paid to the shipper, the fuel used, taxes paid by the slaughter house, taxes paid to the wholesaler, taxes paid to the restaurant, the cook, waitress...get it?

Taxes skim from you to someone connected with government.

So, the problem is not that the rich make too much, but rather that the government taxes and spends too much.

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So, the problem is not that the rich make too much, but rather that the government taxes and spends too much.

:thumbup: AND wealth envy. He still proved me right. He just talks in circles and agrees with everything I said, and doesn't even realize it.

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So, the problem is not that the rich make too much, but rather that the government taxes and spends too much.

Exactly, and the Left wants more taxes and more spending to fix the income inequality problem. Unbelievable.

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Try reading this. Tell me what you think? One can hope.
New Data Offers First Infuriating Glimpse at How the Richest 0.001 Percent Pay Income Taxes - NationofChange | Progressive Change Through Positive Action (http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/06/03/new-data-offer-first-infuriating-glimpse-at-how-the-richest-0-001-percent-pay-income-taxes/)

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I believe the topic was regarding being tired of the lawless left. Probably something to do with the disruptions at the GOP rallies.

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I believe the topic was regarding being tired of the lawless left. Probably something to do with the disruptions at the GOP rallies.
I don't like it when others interrupt Trump or Palin. They are very entertaining.
Now if anyone would like to read about taxes take a look at the previous post.

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Try reading this. Tell me what you think? One can hope.
New Data Offers First Infuriating Glimpse at How the Richest 0.001 Percent Pay Income Taxes - NationofChange | Progressive Change Through Positive Action (http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/06/03/new-data-offer-first-infuriating-glimpse-at-how-the-richest-0-001-percent-pay-income-taxes/)

The Right has been calling for a flat tax with no deductions/loop holes for years, and the Left has been against it, claiming that it is too regressive. Seems to me that a flat tax might just be the solution for the .0001 percent tax problem.

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The Right has been calling for a flat tax with no deductions/loop holes for years, and the Left has been against it, claiming that it is too regressive. Seems to me that a flat tax might just be the solution for the .0001 percent tax problem.So you didn't read it.

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So, the problem is not that the rich make too much, but rather that the government taxes and spends too much.

The problem is...the government taxes too much and through underhanded dealings, the rich end up with those tax dollars.

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The problem is...the government taxes too much and through underhanded dealings, the rich end up with those tax dollars.

And, the Left wants even more government control and involvement. How does that alleviate the problem?

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And, the Left wants even more government control and involvement. How does that alleviate the problem?
One family owns what the bottom 50% own. The bottom work for Walmart. Walmart does not pay very much so their employees need food stamp, medical coverage and support for housing. The Middle Class pays that bill. Does Sanders have it wrong? Would that mean more or less government?
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One family owns what the bottom 50% own. The bottom work for Walmart. Walmart does not pay very much so their employees need food stamp, medical coverage and support for housing. The Middle Class pays that bill. Does Sanders have it wrong? Would that mean more or less government?
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It really doesn't matter does it? Bernie Sanders will not be the nest President. And, Hillary if elected will be nothing more than just another do-nothing-crony-capitalist.

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It really doesn't matter does it? Bernie Sanders will not be the nest President. And, Hillary if elected will be nothing more than just another do-nothing-crony-capitalist.
I'm hoping he wins.

I'm hoping if just one person every now and then changes their mind about the best way to help their children and grandchildren then Bernie makes a difference.

I think Donald shakes everyone up. I like that.

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so tired already of the mobs of protesters denying thousands their first amendment rights to attend Trump rallies. they have the right to protest peacefully but when they try to close highways etc something must be done about them...most are instigated by MoveOn.org, Bernie's young and ignorant supporters, Black Lives Matter and overtly leftist organizations... if any Republican Never Trump people are participating (which i doubt) they must stop to think that Cruz will be the next target if Trump is gotten out of the way.

i wonder if Bernie's crowd will riot like this when they figure out that Bernie will also be robbed of his votes by the Democrat machine. All Amercans must realize that this is in illegal method of forcing their opinions on the whole country....it worked on Sea World, don't let it work on our nation!

But your all for bundy and his crew, or doesn't that count.

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The Right has been calling for a flat tax with no deductions/loop holes for years, and the Left has been against it, claiming that it is too regressive. Seems to me that a flat tax might just be the solution for the .0001 percent tax problem.

They would "finagle" the system to work for them. Right now they have their shyster attorneys working on it.

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The media is in the conservatives pocket. Check Fox sometime. 100% conservative and they are the most watched news in the US.

Aren't you tired of calling the media liberal, it's not only old and tired, its dead wrong.

But old man, facts have never been your forte

Do a fact check, most of the media is owned by the conservatives.

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I feel sorry for the lone liberal on here. If this illiterate is so ignorant that he spouts idiocies day to day, how can anyone have the patience to discuss politics with the adults? I can see why conservatives have no respect for liberals and think that they are stupid. They believe in Republican conspiracies, and run amok in fear that someone is going to hurt them. But, as we all know IT'S BUSH's fault, until Trump takes that mantle.

Very intelligent post. lol lol

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I bet the only thing you watch on television is re-runs. Must be terrible to only be allowed to look back in time.

Must be because current events are so much worse ya can't stand it.

I see the truth hurst, doesn't it?

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Do a fact check, most of the media is owned by the conservatives.

Are you crazy????

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Are you crazy????
I see the truth hurst, doesn't it?

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I see the truth hurst, doesn't it?

Are you speaking of a black or white "hurst?" :1rotfl:...:1rotfl: