Rules, don't need no stinking rules!

[Topspinmo]

Going up BV today just pass 466 in the right lane moving along with traffic about 37 MPH. Guess what passed me in the left lane? Black Yamaha golf cart running at least 40 plus MPH. At least I know how fast my golf cart could go if I tamper with the governor!

Ok let's here it from the ones that see nothing wrong with it:popcorn:

[Retiring]

A few months ago I was in the golf cart dealership in LSL. I asked the service guy how difficult is it to alter the cart to run faster. He said that would be insane. These carts are not setup, from a safety standpoint, to go fast. Limited braking to short wheelbase to no impact protection to…

I quickly got that idea out of my head. I’ll stick with 20mph, or less.

[rubicon]

That is just plain insane.

[RickeyD]

That is just plain insane.


No more insane than a motorcycle doing the same speed.

[photo1902]

No more insane than a motorcycle doing the same speed.

:agree:

[rubicon]

No more insane than a motorcycle doing the same speed.

RickyD: A point well taken. And for that matter a bicyclist traveling above 20 mph determined not to break his momentum.

But then reasonable men can differ on the assumption of risk?

Then again a motorcycle is designed with the thought in mind of distance and speed. A golf cart is not and its breaking system etc is just not designed for much more than 20mph. The 20mph rule may be arbitrary, indeed considering the vast expansion of this community. However, this black Yamaha has gone beyond the pale.

Personal Best Regards:

[Chatbrat]

Yes, but you don't hold an infant in your hands or lap while driving a motorcycle-Can't fix stupid--if you must transport an infant or child use your CAR not the cart

Could be the worst or best decision you'll ever make

[RickeyD]

RickyD: A point well taken. And for that matter a bicyclist traveling above 20 mph determined not to break his momentum.



But then reasonable men can differ on the assumption of risk?



Then again a motorcycle is designed with the thought in mind of distance and speed. A golf cart is not and its breaking system etc is just not designed for much more than 20mph. The 20mph rule may be arbitrary, indeed considering the vast expansion of this community. However, this black Yamaha has gone beyond the pale.



Personal Best Regards:


I believe that street legal carts have upgraded brakes, seat belts etc. I'd rather take the 4 wheel risk over 2 wheel, if given the choice.

[Jima64]

Stupid is, stupid does until he hits a object bigger than him.

[twoplanekid]

Yes, but you don't hold an infant in your hands or lap while driving a motorcycle-Can't fix stupid--if you must transport an infant or child use your CAR not the cart

Could be the worst or best decision you'll ever make

Saw that on Hillsborough Trail yesterday! Dad was a cart passenger holding a (6~9) month old.

[Chatbrat]

Wish our paper would post a picture of an adult holding an infant & caption it " what's wrong with this picture"

[GaryW]

Yes, but you don't hold an infant in your hands or lap while driving a motorcycle-Can't fix stupid--if you must transport an infant or child use your CAR not the cart

Could be the worst or best decision you'll ever make

OK so where does a child come into this post? Not sue how that came about.
:faint:

It is all about Saftey, Street legal carts are still designed for a set speed, just because they drive on the street as so called " STREET LEGAL" does not indicate they have upgrade to a stronger brake system. Some carts set up higher thus more prone to turn overs if they had to swerve or turn real fast to avoid something.
Just called a friend with SCSO. He indicated to me he just stopped a cart couple weeks back. Doing 37 in a 25. He told me the cart had a hard time stopping. So I am thinking even street legal carts are not designed for speeds above factory settings.

Just a thought :spoken:

[red tail]

OK so where does a child come into this post? Not sue how that came about.
:faint:

It is all about Saftey, Street legal carts are still designed for a set speed, just because they drive on the street as so called " STREET LEGAL" does not indicate they have upgrade to a stronger brake system. Some carts set up higher thus more prone to turn overs if they had to swerve or turn real fast to avoid something.
Just called a friend with SCSO. He indicated to me he just stopped a cart couple weeks back. Doing 37 in a 25. He told me the cart had a hard time stopping. So I am thinking even street legal carts are not designed for speeds above factory settings.

Just a thought :spoken:


street legal vehicles have 4 wheel hydraulic brakes. don't comment if you don't know what a lsv is. it takes more than ability to go 25mph to be have street legal designation.

[asianthree]

Don't you love when you get passed and get flipped off for going the legal limit on cart path

[flyerguy]

Personally, I think common sense has gone out the window for a lot of folks operating a golf cart beyond it's purpose and design. I also believe much of this is an "ego", "macho", "look at me" attitude". I fail to see why someone wants to go fast(er) in their golf cart. Why in the world are you in such a hurry, where are you going? If it's essential that I drive over a safe speed (20 mph or less) in the golf cart, I'll take the car. We like to just leisurely cruise around in the cart and enjoy ourselves. Less stress, on me and the equipment.

[Walter123]

OK so where does a child come into this post? Not sue how that came about.
:faint:

It is all about Saftey, Street legal carts are still designed for a set speed, just because they drive on the street as so called " STREET LEGAL" does not indicate they have upgrade to a stronger brake system. Some carts set up higher thus more prone to turn overs if they had to swerve or turn real fast to avoid something.
Just called a friend with SCSO. He indicated to me he just stopped a cart couple weeks back. Doing 37 in a 25. He told me the cart had a hard time stopping. So I am thinking even street legal carts are not designed for speeds above factory settings.

Just a thought :spoken:

Good post Gary. :agree:

[fred53]

No more insane than a motorcycle doing the same speed.

you're writing about protection. Otherwise there is a world of difference physically(designed to handle speed, disk brakes, gearing, drive, wheels, clothing, helmet, etc).

[2BNTV]

I was on the golf cart path and someone passed me doing at least 35 MPH!!!

I almost got out of my cart, as I thought I was stopped!!!!

PLeaaaauuuuuuussssssseeeeeeee!!!!! Leave a little bit earlier.

[Walter123]

Don't you love when you get passed and get flipped off for going the legal limit on cart path

Those drivers are idiots plain and simple. LSV's should not be allowed on MMP"s.
They are a danger to everyone.

[outlaw]

street legal vehicles have 4 wheel hydraulic brakes. don't comment if you don't know what a lsv is. it takes more than ability to go 25mph to be have street legal designation.

That is incorrect. Most street legal carts do not have 4 wheel brakes, much less hydraulic brakes. Anyone can take a basic electric golf cart designed for golf courses, add lights, turn signals, horn, mirrors, seat belts and single pane windshield, etc., and get it certified locally for driving on the street. Then you can get it licensed and insured. Example: Parcar, which has been building LSVs for years, does not have four wheel or hydraulic brakes.

[outlaw]

The maximum speed of a 2015 Yamaha with 10" wheels and high speed gear set is 26 mph, with the governor adjusted all the way. A 40 mph Yamaha would likely have been modified with a different electric motor. Federal statute (as written about 3 yrs ago) require LSVs to be electric powered.

[Topspinmo]

I believe that street legal carts have upgraded brakes, seat belts etc. I'd rather take the 4 wheel risk over 2 wheel, if given the choice.

No, Exact same cart that I have. I got close up look, Didn't see seat belts either.

[Uberschaf]

Par Car NEV's have hydraulic brakes but only rear brakes.They also have split windshields.

[Topspinmo]

street legal vehicles have 4 wheel hydraulic brakes. don't comment if you don't know what a lsv is. it takes more than ability to go 25mph to be have street legal designation.

This was NOT LSV by design. IT WAS GOLF CART with Plate on it just like the one I have with NO 4 wheel Hydraulic BRAKES and Yes I could see through the mag wheels it didn't have disk brakes. I See Club Cars which are even cheaper made clocking along at 30.

[Walter123]

street legal vehicles have 4 wheel hydraulic brakes. don't comment if you don't know what a lsv is. it takes more than ability to go 25mph to be have street legal designation.

Don't comment if you don't know what a LSV is.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

While I do't agree with LSVs going 40 mph, I don't like the idea that a vehicle that's only capable of going 25 is allowed to drive on roads where the speed limit is 35.

The law should be changed one way or the other. If LSVs can do 35, then they should be allowed to. But they should also have all of the safety equipment necessary such a four wheel brakes that are necessary to stop the vehicle at that speed. I've seen golf cart with plates and
Street Legal stickers on them that don't have a solid windshield or wipers. As far as I know, they shouldn't be declared to be street legal.
As far a people's concerns about them tipping over when swerving or being struck by a vehicle weighing ten times their weight, how is that any different from a motorcycle? Should we ban motorcycles because if they get hit by a ten ton truck they are in trouble.
I say let the LSVs go 35 or 40 but also make sure that they are equipped in every way to go that speed.
But we shouldn't be allowing vehicles that can only go 25 on streets where the speed limit is 35.

[Chellybean]

Ok, lets see how many people get fired up over this.
I was going throw the gate at Morse on pinnelas heading west and a cart crossed in front of me and i had to slam on the breaks.
I yelled at the fool as they stopped in the middle of the gate missing them by a foot.
As i yelled at them are you crazy i could of killed you.
As they Replied "Carts Have the right of Way" ( others in the golf cart path waiting to cross also yelled at the fools)
As i and the Guard at the gate yelled at them saying it is not a Cross walk and carts do not have the right of way on top of you could of gotten killed
As the Guard approached my car as he was shaking his head to see if i needed anything i replied did you hear and see that Jerk.
As he replied his boss told him the other day control the gates for the car traffic going throw and if the Golf Carts do something stupid and put themselves at risk they are on there own.
He also said you can't believe the idiots i see in a course of a day working the gates.
Just complete stupidity.
Is golf more important then your safety!'
The only thing i can say is ADULT IDIOTS.
Now lets see how much heat i take for this!!!!!!!!!

[VApeople]

Ok, lets see how many people get fired up over this.!!!!!!!!!

You did a great job by being alert and expecting people to do stupid things. That is how we experienced drivers avoid being in accidents. Again, Great Job!!

Of course, tomorrow the same stupid people will do the same stupid things and we can't do anything to prevent it.

[twoplanekid]

Everyone should attend at least once the VHA Golf Cart safety clinic held at the Colony Recreation Center at 9:00 AM on the third (3rd) Wednesday Morning of each month.

Some should attend every month! :icon_wink:

[outlaw]

Par Car NEV's have hydraulic brakes but only rear brakes.They also have split windshields.

My Parcar did not have hydraulic brakes or a split windshield, and it was a new "NEV", street legal, vin, licensed, and insured. I believe it was a 2003 model.

[outlaw]

Ok, lets see how many people get fired up over this.
I was going throw the gate at Morse on pinnelas heading west and a cart crossed in front of me and i had to slam on the breaks.
I yelled at the fool as they stopped in the middle of the gate missing them by a foot.
As i yelled at them are you crazy i could of killed you.
As they Replied "Carts Have the right of Way" ( others in the golf cart path waiting to cross also yelled at the fools)
As i and the Guard at the gate yelled at them saying it is not a Cross walk and carts do not have the right of way on top of you could of gotten killed
As the Guard approached my car as he was shaking his head to see if i needed anything i replied did you hear and see that Jerk.
As he replied his boss told him the other day control the gates for the car traffic going throw and if the Golf Carts do something stupid and put themselves at risk they are on there own.
He also said you can't believe the idiots i see in a course of a day working the gates.
Just complete stupidity.
Is golf more important then your safety!'
The only thing i can say is ADULT IDIOTS.
Now lets see how much heat i take for this!!!!!!!!!

Were you upset?

[outlaw]

Don't you love when you get passed and get flipped off for going the legal limit on cart path

You haven't really been "flipped off" for going the speed limit on the MMP?!

[outlaw]

Those drivers are idiots plain and simple. LSV's should not be allowed on MMP"s.
They are a danger to everyone.

LSVs are only allowed to legally go no more than 25 mph, period. If they can go faster than 25 mph, they are just as illegal as a golf cart that can exceed 20 mph. Any golf cart can be modified to go much faster. LSVs are not any more dangerous than any other golf cart, some are safer because of stronger frames and other required safety features. It's the owner that is the culprit, not the vehicle.

[Walter123]

LSVs are only allowed to legally go no more than 25 mph, period. If they can go faster than 25 mph, they are just as illegal as a golf cart that can exceed 20 mph. Any golf cart can be modified to go much faster. LSVs are not any more dangerous than any other golf cart, some are safer because of stronger frames and other required safety features. It's the owner that is the culprit, not the vehicle.

Yes, as my Dad would say "It's the loose nut behind the wheel" and having a loose nut behind the wheel makes the LSV dangerous. It is very tempting to want to pass someone when you have an LSV or a modified golf cart Why else would a person modify their cart but to go faster than everybody else? I'm just saying that LSV owners are likely to surpass the 20MPH speed limit on the MMP's. Remove the temptation by banning LSV's from the MMP's.

[outlaw]

Yes, as my Dad would say "It's the loose nut behind the wheel" and having a loose nut behind the wheel makes the LSV dangerous. It is very tempting to want to pass someone when you have an LSV or a modified golf cart Why else would a person modify their cart but to go faster than everybody else? I'm just saying that LSV owners are likely to surpass the 20MPH speed limit on the MMP's. Remove the temptation by banning LSV's from the MMP's.

I get what you are saying. I just don't like banning something after the fact. The LSV owners bought their LSV with the understanding that they could use them on the street (if licensed and insured), as well as golf courses and MMPs. It's the person, not the vehicle. The fastest golf carts I have seen on the MMPs have been modified regular old golf carts; not LSVs.

[Chellybean]

Were you upset?

first it scared the *ell out of me"
2nd i had to clean my shorts!
Third i was upset.

Does that answer your question?

[Barefoot]

Wish our paper would post a picture of an adult holding an infant & caption it " what's wrong with this picture":agree: The picture of the adult holding the infant should be on the front page of the newspaper. The picture should include a couple of young children who are strapped into the golf club holders. :ohdear:

[red tail]

That is incorrect. Most street legal carts do not have 4 wheel brakes, much less hydraulic brakes. Anyone can take a basic electric golf cart designed for golf courses, add lights, turn signals, horn, mirrors, seat belts and single pane windshield, etc., and get it certified locally for driving on the street. Then you can get it licensed and insured. Example: Parcar, which has been building LSVs for years, does not have four wheel or hydraulic brakes.

incorrect....a lsv must meet certain criteria to obtain a license plate which includes a VIN among other things like 3 point seat belts,safety windshield etc etc

[RickeyD]

:agree: The picture of the adult holding the infant should be on the front page of the newspaper. The picture should include a couple of young children who are strapped into the golf club holders. :ohdear:




Should CPS be contacted ? I think so. Some people need a smack to wake up their common sense.

[DonH57]

Personally, I think common sense has gone out the window for a lot of folks operating a golf cart beyond it's purpose and design. I also believe much of this is an "ego", "macho", "look at me" attitude". I fail to see why someone wants to go fast(er) in their golf cart. Why in the world are you in such a hurry, where are you going? If it's essential that I drive over a safe speed (20 mph or less) in the golf cart, I'll take the car. We like to just leisurely cruise around in the cart and enjoy ourselves. Less stress, on me and the equipment.

I agree. There's the " Look at Me" people and then the others who, even in retirement never learned how to manage time. I like to stay on island time!:laugh:

[outlaw]

incorrect....a lsv must meet certain criteria to obtain a license plate which includes a VIN among other things like 3 point seat belts,safety windshield etc etc

No 3 point seat belt required. Florida allows inspections of modified golf carts to qualify for a LSV "vin". Been there done that.

[red tail]

No 3 point seat belt required. Florida allows inspections of modified golf carts to qualify for a LSV "vin". Been there done that.

I stand corrected, I assumed since my tomberlin has all the aforementioned safety items I figured all lsv's had them. I guess the moral of the story is if you want street legal go with tomberlin!!!

[justjim]

While I do't agree with LSVs going 40 mph, I don't like the idea that a vehicle that's only capable of going 25 is allowed to drive on roads where the speed limit is 35.

The law should be changed one way or the other. If LSVs can do 35, then they should be allowed to. But they should also have all of the safety equipment necessary such a four wheel brakes that are necessary to stop the vehicle at that speed. I've seen golf cart with plates and
Street Legal stickers on them that don't have a solid windshield or wipers. As far as I know, they should be declared to be street legal.
As far a people's concerns about them tipping over when swerving or being struck by a vehicle weighing ten times their weight, how is that any different from a motorcycle? Should we ban motorcycles because if they get hit by a ten ton truck they are in trouble.
I say let the LSVs go 35 or 40 but also make sure that they are equipped in every way to go that speed.
But we shouldn't be allowing vehicles that can only go 25 on streets where the speed limit is 35.

Good post. I agree street legal golf carts should be allowed to go 35 mph as they are dangerous to themselves and others at 25 mph.

[joldnol]

Sumter Co could pick up some serious coin just patrolling Hillsborough and Pinellas. I get passed by carts all the time when I'm doing 19.5 mph and I have difficulty catching some carts when I'm in my car. and I'm going 2 or 3 over the speed limit.

[UpNorth]

My guess is that most of these hot-rodding modified non LSV golf carts are gas engines. When going 20 mph in my electric cart, I can hear these run up from behind and pass me at 20+ mph. Must be easy to defeat the governor on a gas cart. Probably trickier to re-program an electric cart. It is illegal to own a standard cart in Florida that can exceed 20 mph. Get in an accident and you could be in for some financial damage, even if you weren't exceeding the 20mph speed limit.

[blaZen]

"Son you gonna drive me to drinking, if you don't stop driving that hot rod Club Car"!

[Shimpy]

why in the world are you in such a hurry, where are you going?

bathroom ?

[looneycat]

I believe that street legal carts have upgraded brakes, seat belts etc. I'd rather take the 4 wheel risk over 2 wheel, if given the choice.

but legally are limited to 25 mph on the road.....why bother

[NotGolfer]

"You haven't really been "flipped off" for going the speed limit on the MMP?!"

A few years ago I was on the MMP that goes across the bridge on Morse past the police/fire garage on 466. A guy came out of the tunnel up behind me and started honking and yelling at me as he couldn't get past, due to uncoming golf-cart traffic (it was high season). Finally, I pulled over and he pulled up-stopped and began cussing me out that he was late and why didn't I go faster. My cart was the legal 19 mph and of course he left me in the "dust". I get passed all the time by folks .....

[kcrazorbackfan]

I'm digressing from the original speeding content of the OP but two things happened today that made me wonder how some people make it through the day; 1st - my wife and I were on the mmp in between Old Mill Run and Ternberry Forest Dr. heading to Palmer. We stopped at TFD to let a car enter the gate. Car #1 swiped his card, the gate comes up and he sits there. He decides to go as the gate starts down but stops before crashing through the gate. Meanwhile, car #2 pulls up and swipes her card; car #1 goes on through the gate and car #2 starts forward and here comes the gate down. She stops without crashing through and - you guessed it, here comes car #3. Finally, car #3 has enough sense to swipe his card to let car # 2 through and then swipe it again for him to go through; it was like watching the movie Groundhog Day.

2nd - on the same mmp coming from the tunnel under Stillwater Trail, two women were STANDING in the oncoming lane in the 1st curve by Mallory carrying on a conversation and a bicyclist swerves to avoid them and I have to lock it up to avoid hitting him. My wife screams at the two idiots to get off the path and all they could go was throw their hands up while oncoming carts were having to stop to keep from hitting them.

How do some people make it through the day?

[57ChevyFI]

I don't mind the 35 mile an hour golf cart compared to the most dangerous driver on the road which is the person traveling the speed limit in the passing lane. That person causes more accidents than anybody since they makes a large group of cars bunch up within feet of each other. I've never figured out why someone would stay in the passing lanes for miles beside a car going the same speed.

[patfla06]

The left lane on Morse and Buena Vista is not the passing lane.
It is a normal lane of traffic.

The passing lane is on a highway such as I-75.

[57ChevyFI]

The left lane on Morse and Buena Vista is not the passing lane.
It is a normal lane of traffic.

The passing lane is on a highway such as I-75.
Driving slowly in the fast lane is more than just annoying, it's also illegal in many states. Wanna know if your 45-mph, Buick-borne grandma is breaking the law on the interstate? Just consult our handy map.

The most popular law follows the Uniform Vehicle Code, which says a car driving below the "normal speed of traffic" should be driven in the right-hand lane. Because it indicates "normal speed" instead of saying "speed limit" a driver going above the speed limit but slower than most traffic is still in the wrong.

The states indicated in green dictate that the left lane should be used exclusively for passing or turning left, though most of these limit enforcement to multi-lane highways. The simplest and best laws simply state drivers in the left lane must always yield to faster traffic regardless of the passing car's speed or other factors.

Unfortunately, most of these laws are only enforced as a way of pulling over suspicious vehicles or passengers. This is why Georgia is in the process of passing a tougher "Slow-Poke Law" with real penalties for drivers.

1) Semantics, call the lane whatever you want to.
2) Missed the point, drinving in the "left" lane :coolsmiley: bunches up cars and makes it dangerous.

[Polar Bear]

The left lane on Morse and Buena Vista is not the passing lane.
It is a normal lane of traffic.

The passing lane is on a highway such as I-75.
As 57ChevyFI said...semantics.

The law in Florida states that slower traffic must stay in the right lane unless they are passing or about to turn left. Holding up faster traffic is illegal...irrespective of whether or not they are exceeding the speed limit.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.081.html)

[tuccillo]

Regarding your suggestion of not allowing vehicles with a top speed of 25 mph on 35 mph speed limit roads, I really don't see that happening. Bikes are allowed on roads with a 35 mph speed limit and few can maintain 25 mph for any length of time, let alone 35 mph. For better or for worse, the statutes allow slower moving vehicles to use the roads, including those in cars that choose to drive slower than the 35 mph speed limit. Roads are shared resources and we must accommodate the slower moving vehicles. On 4 lanes roads such as BV and Morse, we have a passing lane. Hopefully the slower moving traffic stays in the right lane.

While I do't agree with LSVs going 40 mph, I don't like the idea that a vehicle that's only capable of going 25 is allowed to drive on roads where the speed limit is 35.

The law should be changed one way or the other. If LSVs can do 35, then they should be allowed to. But they should also have all of the safety equipment necessary such a four wheel brakes that are necessary to stop the vehicle at that speed. I've seen golf cart with plates and
Street Legal stickers on them that don't have a solid windshield or wipers. As far as I know, they should be declared to be street legal.
As far a people's concerns about them tipping over when swerving or being struck by a vehicle weighing ten times their weight, how is that any different from a motorcycle? Should we ban motorcycles because if they get hit by a ten ton truck they are in trouble.
I say let the LSVs go 35 or 40 but also make sure that they are equipped in every way to go that speed.
But we shouldn't be allowing vehicles that can only go 25 on streets where the speed limit is 35.

[asianthree]

You haven't really been "flipped off" for going the speed limit on the MMP?!

More than once. Cart passed us and six other carts yelling at each one as they flew by. Not a SL.

[photo1902]

As 57ChevyFI said...semantics.

The law in Florida states that slower traffic must stay in the right lane unless they are passing or about to turn left. Holding up faster traffic is illegal...irrespective of whether or not they are exceeding the speed limit.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.081.html)

Or, you can do what most of us do on Morse, BV, 466, etc. You use the left lane to do the speed limit. If you see someone come up behind you (who is speeding, incidentally) you move over and let them by. Perfectly legal, except of course the person who is exceeding the speed limit.

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

[GaryW]

This was NOT LSV by design. IT WAS GOLF CART with Plate on it just like the one I have with NO 4 wheel Hydraulic BRAKES and Yes I could see through the mag wheels it didn't have disk brakes. I See Club Cars which are even cheaper made clocking along at 30.

:agree::coolsmiley:

[GaryW]

Don't comment if you don't know what a LSV is.

Preaching to the Choir,, Was born at night,, but not LAST NIGHT :cus:

[GaryW]

The 2015 Florida Statutes


Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES
Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL
View Entire Chapter
316.2122 Operation of a low-speed vehicle or mini truck on certain roadways.—The operation of a low-speed vehicle as defined in s. 320.01 or a mini truck as defined in s. 320.01 on any road is authorized with the following restrictions:
(1) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle or mini truck from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour.
(2) A low-speed vehicle must be equipped with headlamps, stop lamps, turn signal lamps, taillamps, reflex reflectors, parking brakes, rearview mirrors, windshields, seat belts, and vehicle identification numbers.
(3) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck must be registered and insured in accordance with s. 320.02 and titled pursuant to chapter 319.
(4) Any person operating a low-speed vehicle or mini truck must have in his or her possession a valid driver license.
(5) A county or municipality may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if the governing body of the county or municipality determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.
(6) The Department of Transportation may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if it determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.
History.—s. 1, ch. 99-163; s. 5, ch. 2009-183; s. 85, ch. 2012-174; s. 78, ch. 2013-160.

[Walter123]

Preaching to the Choir,, Was born at night,, but not LAST NIGHT :cus:

You do know that my comment was to red tail in response to their comment to you and not directed to you, right? Because it seems like you thought I was slamming you. I wasn't.

[rubicon]

This thread is a predictable repeat just as round-a-bouts, slow pace of play golfers, idiot car drivers . And with a few word substitutes your going to read the same comments.

The reality is that The Villages vast expansion and the increase in the number of golf carts equate to growing pangs . Sensible adaptations must be achieved.

Bureaucrats like rules for the sake of rules. Rules should consider unintended consequences. Golf cart drivers are traveling greater distances now . Safety is always the first consideration . Passing a slow moving cart is no different than passing a slowing moving car. It is an essential option to prevent bottlenecks The operative word in passing is "safe passing".

Speed limit is a goldilock term too slow and bottlenecks and agitated drivers materialize. Too fast and safety is breached. So we seek just right. The Villages brags about the miles and miles of multi-modal paths. People talk about top speeds but never seem to consider the average speed attained on multi-modal paths. They seem more aware of the pace of play than average speeds on multi-modal paths?

A black Yamaha going 40 mph on Buena Vista sheds no light on the reality of what is occurring on multi-modal pathways.

[twoplanekid]

This thread is a predictable repeat just as round-a-bouts, slow pace of play golfers, idiot car drivers . And with a few word substitutes your going to read the same comments.

The reality is that The Villages vast expansion and the increase in the number of golf carts equate to growing pangs . Sensible adaptations must be achieved.

Bureaucrats like rules for the sake of rules. Rules should consider unintended consequences. Golf cart drivers are traveling greater distances now . Safety is always the first consideration . Passing a slow moving cart is no different than passing a slowing moving car. It is an essential option to prevent bottlenecks The operative word in passing is "safe passing".

Speed limit is a goldilock term too slow and bottlenecks and agitated drivers materialize. Too fast and safety is breached. So we seek just right. The Villages brags about the miles and miles of multi-modal paths. People talk about top speeds but never seem to consider the average speed attained on multi-modal paths. They seem more aware of the pace of play than average speeds on multi-modal paths?

A black Yamaha going 40 mph on Buena Vista sheds no light on the reality of what is occurring on multi-modal pathways.

I agree!

As technology is available to gather golf cart speed data on the multi-modal paths, why is there no data collected? Everyone seems to place bets on how fast everyone is going. I agree with the reality that as TV grows more people will be using golf carts and the distances traveled will increase. Thus, the chances of bad things happening may also increase. How can TV address golf cart safety under the premise of “don’t need no stinking rules”?

[outlaw]

I'm digressing from the original speeding content of the OP but two things happened today that made me wonder how some people make it through the day; 1st - my wife and I were on the mmp in between Old Mill Run and Ternberry Forest Dr. heading to Palmer. We stopped at TFD to let a car enter the gate. Car #1 swiped his card, the gate comes up and he sits there. He decides to go as the gate starts down but stops before crashing through the gate. Meanwhile, car #2 pulls up and swipes her card; car #1 goes on through the gate and car #2 starts forward and here comes the gate down. She stops without crashing through and - you guessed it, here comes car #3. Finally, car #3 has enough sense to swipe his card to let car # 2 through and then swipe it again for him to go through; it was like watching the movie Groundhog Day.

2nd - on the same mmp coming from the tunnel under Stillwater Trail, two women were STANDING in the oncoming lane in the 1st curve by Mallory carrying on a conversation and a bicyclist swerves to avoid them and I have to lock it up to avoid hitting him. My wife screams at the two idiots to get off the path and all they could go was throw their hands up while oncoming carts were having to stop to keep from hitting them.

How do some people make it through the day?

Sounds like the walkers were "taking the lane". I like the person that parks their cart on the MMP while visiting with a walker. They think the MMP is a sidewalk where one can just stop anywhere and chat.

[Polar Bear]

...Or, you can do what most of us do on Morse, BV, 466, etc. You use the left lane to do the speed limit. If you see someone come up behind you (who is speeding, incidentally) you move over and let them by. Perfectly legal, except of course the person who is exceeding the speed limit..
To me the question that your description begs is...even if legal, if you're not about to pass a vehicle, and you're not about to turn left, why do you stay in the left lane? I seriously doubt that "most of us" do so.

[outlaw]

Personally I think that is a very reasonable way to drive Morse and BV. Except if you followed the link and read it, it IS technically illegal.

But to me the question that your description begs is...if your not about to pass a vehicle, and your not about to turn left...either of which would make your left-lane driving legal...why do you stay in the left lane??

To continue on the main road through the next RAB.

[Polar Bear]

This thread is a predictable repeat just as round-a-bouts, slow pace of play golfers, idiot car drivers...
As is yours.

And yes...this one of mine too. :laugh:

[Polar Bear]

To continue on the main road through the next RAB.
You mean just like you can do in the right lane?

[photo1902]

You mean just like you can do in the right lane?

Why not take it? Its an open lane, which is completely legal to use. Let me guess, you would rather have every single car and truck use the right lane all the time? Absurd. And do you think these roads were designed to have the left lane use to "pass" other vehicles? I understand people driving slower than the speed limit who stay in the left lane is wrong, but we're not talking about I75 or the Turnpike. We are talking about roads in the densely packed Villages. Simply makes sense to use both available lanes.

[outlaw]

You mean just like you can do in the right lane?

Yes. Except, in the right lane, you are crossing into the left lane that is also going right in the RAB. In the event of an accident, you will most likely be ticketed for not yielding to the car in the left lane.

[Walter123]

I stay in the left lane going the speed limit in TV for safety reasons plus, I like being one of the old people that I used to yell at when I was young! If you're in that much of a hurry that this bothers you then even better! LOL

[Polar Bear]

...Let me guess, you would rather have every single car and truck use the right lane all the time?...
Your guess is totally wrong. Every single car and truck using the right lane is absurd...and you're the only one talking about it. Nobody is talking about not using both lanes...except you.
...Simply makes sense to use both available lanes.
To use them, yes. To simply cruise at all times in the left lane...not so much.

[photo1902]

Your guess is totally wrong. Every single car and truck using the right lane is absurd...and you're the only one talking about it. Nobody is talking about not using both lanes...except you.

To use them, yes. To simply cruise at all times in the left lane...not so much.

We will agree to disagree on this point. I didn't realize I had to be in one specific lane if I was going to "cruise" :)

[Polar Bear]

Yes. Except, in the right lane, you are crossing into the left lane that is also going right in the RAB. In the event of an accident, you will most likely be ticketed for not yielding to the car in the left lane.
Everyone entering a roundabout from any lane is required to yield to all traffic in the roundabout in any lane. So if you are hit by a car turning right from the inside lane, you SHOULD be ticketed. You have caused the accident by not yielding.

Forgetting that for a minute, your 'logic' still makes no sense. If you enter the roundabout from the left lane, you are crossing the right (outside) lane of the roundabout...twice in fact, entering and exiting. You have not reduced your potential conflicts in any way. In fact you have increased them.

Of course the potential conflicts don't matter anyway if you simply obey the first rule...yield to all traffic in the roundabout. Then you are safe whichever lane you choose.

[Walter123]

We will agree to disagree on this point. I didn't realize I had to be in one specific lane if I was going to "cruise" :)

Yeah, maybe PB should tell us what kind of car he drives so we can get out of his way no matter what lane he is in!:laugh:

[Polar Bear]

Yeah, maybe PB should tell us what kind of car he drives so we can get out of his way no matter what lane he is in!:laugh:
Heheh. If you 'cruised' in the right lane, you wouldn't have to get out of my way...or anybody else's way...when we approached from the rear. :boxing2: :icon_wink:

And Walter, in a previous post, you said something to the effect that you stay in the left lane for safety reasons. Would you care to share with us why you feel it's safer to stay in the left lane?

[Walter123]

Heheh. If you 'cruised' in the right lane, you wouldn't have to get out of my way...or anybody else's way...when we approached from the rear. :boxing2: :icon_wink:

And Walter, in a previous post, you said something to the effect that you stay in the left lane for safety reasons. Would you care to share with us why you feel it's safer to stay in the left lane?

Sure, I'll share.......It's because I just do

[Polar Bear]

Sure, I'll share.......It's because I just do
Ahh...well...that explains everything. :)

[photo1902]

Heheh. If you 'cruised' in the right lane, you wouldn't have to get out of my way...or anybody else's way...when we approached from the rear. :boxing2: :icon_wink:

And Walter, in a previous post, you said something to the effect that you stay in the left lane for safety reasons. Would you care to share with us why you feel it's safer to stay in the left lane?

Seems a waste for traffic not to use two perfectly good lanes. Thats what they were built for. And dont worry, when I see a car coming up behind me who is exceeding the speed limit, I always move over if I happen to be in the left lane. You are really concerned about people being in the "passing lane", but can you point me to any portion of the Florida Vehicle Code that allows for the driver of a motor vehicle to exceed a given speed limit (other than of course emergency vehicles)?

[Polar Bear]

...can you point me to any portion of the Florida Vehicle Code that allows for the driver of a motor vehicle to exceed a given speed limit (other than of course emergency vehicles)?

Irrelevant. The law says you must not block traffic from passing you, even if the approaching vehicle is exceeding the speed limit.

[photo1902]

Irrelevant. The law says you must not block traffic from passing you, even if the approaching vehicle is exceeding the speed limit.

Who said anything about blocking traffic? Not me. If I'm in the left lane (perfectly legal) and I see a vehicle approaching me from behind, I move over. Simple as that. No one is slowing anyone down, or preventing them from speeding. Case in point, a small Toyota truck did just that on Morse...right up to the point he was pulled over by motor officers working radar. Priceless.

[Polar Bear]

Who said anything about blocking traffic?...

You asked where in the code are drivers allowed to exceed the speed limit. Who said anything about that? I was just responding to your unsolicited and irrelevant observation.

Okay...as much as I hate to disappoint all the readers of this thread, I'm going to bow out. It has obviously reached the spinning-wheels stage, if it hadn't already many posts ago. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Have fun with your last word.

[photo1902]

You asked where in the code are drivers allowed to exceed the speed limit. Who said anything about that? I was just responding to your unsolicited and irrelevant observation.

Okay...as much as I hate to disappoint all the readers of this thread, I'm going to bow out. It has obviously reached the spinning-wheels stage, if it hadn't already many posts ago. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Have fun with your last word.

Two lanes. Enjoy them. Its fun.

[BobnBev]

You asked where in the code are drivers allowed to exceed the speed limit. Who said anything about that? I was just responding to your unsolicited and irrelevant observation.

Okay...as much as I hate to disappoint all the readers of this thread, I'm going to bow out. It has obviously reached the spinning-wheels stage, if it hadn't already many posts ago. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Have fun with your last word.

Mr Gorbachev, tear down this thread...........or something like that.:evil6:
:spoken:

[photo1902]

:a040:Mr Gorbachev, tear down this thread...........or something like that.:evil6:
:spoken:

[rubicon]

As is yours.

And yes...this one of mine too. :laugh:

Polar Bear: Yes, I admit predictability but some posters seem to believe that living here is like living in the lawless wild west. Geeezzz

[outlaw]

Everyone entering a roundabout from any lane is required to yield to all traffic in the roundabout in any lane. So if you are hit by a car turning right from the inside lane, you SHOULD be ticketed. You have caused the accident by not yielding.

Forgetting that for a minute, your 'logic' still makes no sense. If you enter the roundabout from the left lane, you are crossing the right (outside) lane of the roundabout...twice in fact, entering and exiting. You have not reduced your potential conflicts in any way. In fact you have increased them.

Of course the potential conflicts don't matter anyway if you simply obey the first rule...yield to all traffic in the roundabout. Then you are safe whichever lane you choose.

You are crossing the right lane upon entering, but you are NOT crossing the right lane upon exiting according to the dotted lines.

How can everyone be required to yield to other vehicles, yet only one person be ticketed in an accident? Illogical. I contend that the auto that crosses the dotted line will be ticketed.

[outlaw]

Irrelevant. The law says you must not block traffic from passing you, even if the approaching vehicle is exceeding the speed limit.

I don't suppose you could provide that statute number?

[Barefoot]

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[Walter123]

I don't suppose you could provide that statute number?

Carl from Tampa taught me a good lesson on being careful quoting something I read on the internet so I now am.

I got this from what I think is a reliable source.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.081.html)

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

It doesn't actually say to move over even if the driver behind you is exceeding the speed limit, it just says move over if the driver behind you is traveling at a higher rate of speed so to me that would include going faster than the speed limit.

That being said, I have to go with Polar Bear on this one and like I said to Carl from Tampa, "I'm smarter today than I was yesterday". I hope this doesn't keep up or I'm going to be too smart for my own britches! Thanks PB! Consider me "moved over".

[photo1902]

Carl from Tampa taught me a good lesson on being careful quoting something I read on the internet so I now am.

I got this from what I think is a reliable source.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.081.html)

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

It doesn't actually say to move over even if the driver behind you is exceeding the speed limit, it just says move over if the driver behind you is traveling at a higher rate of speed so to me that would include going faster than the speed limit.

That being said, I have to go with Polar Bear on this one and like I said to Carl from Tampa, "I'm smarter today than I was yesterday". I hope this doesn't keep up or I'm going to be too smart for my own britches! Thanks PB! Consider me "moved over".

I interpret that as meaning if you are in the left lane going slower than the posted speed limit. Im not aware of any statute which requires a driver to yield (or move over) for a driver who is exceeding the posted speed limit. The bottom line is that most of us do not continually ride in the left lane, but it is lawful to do so. The idea that you should only be in the left lane for turns is just not correct.

[Walter123]

I interpret that as meaning if you are in the left lane going slower than the posted speed limit. Im not aware of any statute which requires a driver to yield (or move over) for a driver who is exceeding the posted speed limit. The bottom line is that most of us do not continually ride in the left lane, but it is lawful to do so. The idea that you should only be in the left lane for turns is just not correct.

In the immortal words of "Blind Faith"

DWYL Some 60's rockers will get this.

[joldnol]

I interpret that as meaning if you are in the left lane going slower than the posted speed limit. Im not aware of any statute which requires a driver to yield (or move over) for a driver who is exceeding the posted speed limit. The bottom line is that most of us do not continually ride in the left lane, but it is lawful to do so. The idea that you should only be in the left lane for turns is just not correct.

it was passed into law last year. The Sun recently ran an article about how FHP was going to start enforcing the slow poke law. It is not up to the slow driver in the left lane to determine whether or not the others are driving too fast. If folks are passing you on the right or are tailgating you in the left lane YOU are going too slow and impeding traffic. The intent of the law is to reduce road rage.

[buzzy]

I interpret that as meaning if you are in the left lane going slower than the posted speed limit. Im not aware of any statute which requires a driver to yield (or move over) for a driver who is exceeding the posted speed limit. The bottom line is that most of us do not continually ride in the left lane, but it is lawful to do so. The idea that you should only be in the left lane for turns is just not correct.


The broader intent is that a speeding car is likely to go around you on the right, creating more hazard than you moving over for him. You are NOT supposed to make your car an obstacle to prevent the other guy from speeding.

[photo1902]

The broader intent is that a speeding car is likely to go around you on the right, creating more hazard than you moving over for him. You are NOT supposed to make your car an obstacle to prevent the other guy from speeding.

Im not really sure how, from my post, you implied I endorsed going under the speed limit in the left lane. I never said that, nor would I condone it. The point is the left lane, by law, is allowed for all vehicle travel, regardless of your future intent of turning, etc. Period. This is not up to interpretation. If you are in the left lane, do the speed limit. Any less, move to the right lane. Again, we are talking about local roads, Buena Vista, Morse, 466 and 466A, not the interstate or the Turnpike.

[photo1902]

The broader intent is that a speeding car is likely to go around you on the right, creating more hazard than you moving over for him. You are NOT supposed to make your car an obstacle to prevent the other guy from speeding.

Incidentally, the "slow poke law", was enacted in 2013, the specifics of which are:

"Drivers going 10 mph slower than the speed limit who don’t get out of the way of approaching vehicles can be ticketed $60 and hit with a 3-point moving violation, according to one small part of a transportation bill that goes into effect Monday, July 1, 2013.

The overall bill makes changes to the way the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles administers many programs and was signed into law June 13 by the governor.

And yes, someone going 10 mph slower SHOULD NOT be in the left lane.

[joldnol]

FL statue 316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.—

(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

[Diver]

:pepper2::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::pepper2:

[photo1902]

FL statue 316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.—

(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

Ain't Google great!

[joldnol]

Ain't Google great!

yep....snopes too

[photo1902]

yep....snopes too

:beer3:

[joldnol]

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[rubicon]

None of this matters until or unless you are the guy(s) driving behind the guy traveling at 55mph in a 70mph zone . a guy that appears to be saying this use to be a 55mph road and I don't see why they changed it

[outlaw]

To those who frequently complain about a thread getting off topic, and/or request the thread be closed because they determine it has run its course:
This thread started as a complaint regarding modified carts going too fast. It morphed into a thread about rules for driving in the left lane. This provided some good debate and good/interesting info of which I, and probably others, were unaware.

[photo1902]

To those who frequently complain about a thread getting off topic, and/or request the thread be closed because they determine it has run its course:
This thread started as a complaint regarding modified carts going too fast. It morphed into a thread about rules for driving in the left lane. This provided some good debate and good/interesting info of which I, and probably others, were unaware.

:BigApplause:

[Topspinmo]

Incidentally, the "slow poke law", was enacted in 2013, the specifics of which are:

"Drivers going 10 mph slower than the speed limit who don’t get out of the way of approaching vehicles can be ticketed $60 and hit with a 3-point moving violation, according to one small part of a transportation bill that goes into effect Monday, July 1, 2013.

The overall bill makes changes to the way the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles administers many programs and was signed into law June 13 by the governor.

And yes, someone going 10 mph slower SHOULD NOT be in the left lane.

This has come up before. Even if you are going the maximum speed limit and speeding car approaching in the left lane you must move over if traffic allows it. Or at the first oppuntunity. To let the speeding car around. Only LOEs are traffic enforcers. As stated left lane is for all traffic unless someone is speeding. Then you have to move over let them by. If I'm going to turn left I get in the left lane when it's safe or clear and my speed is with the flow of traffic which is usually 40 plus on BV or Morse BV. Few people drive 35 down these roads if the do unless turning left then need to be in the right lane to let the speeders by. Leo is responsible for law breakers.

The orginal post was about golf cart designed to go 12 mph on course modified for special use to go 20. Not triple its design. This is the problem LEO need to catch IMO not the ones going 22 or 23 down hill. As far as LSV most exceed 25 mph limit when going down BV or Morse BV. I find little traffic enforcement in around villages which creates this problem.:police:

The most complainers IMO are the speeders that use the left lane and don't drive in the right lane and get ****ed when they have to drive the speed limit!:D

[photo1902]

This has come up before. Even if you are going the maximum speed limit and speeding car approaching in the left lane you must move over if traffic allows it. Or at the first oppuntunity. To let the speeding car around. Only LOEs are traffic enforcers. As stated left lane is for all traffic unless someone is speeding. Then you have to move over let them by. If I'm going to turn left I get in the left lane when it's safe or clear and my speed is with the flow of traffic which is usually 40 plus on BV or Morse BV. Few people drive 35 down these roads if the do unless turning left then need to be in the right lane to let the speeders by. Leo is responsible for law breakers.

The orginal post was about golf cart designed to go 12 mph on course modified for special use to go 20. Not triple its design. This is the problem LEO need to catch IMO not the ones going 22 or 23 down hill. As far as LSV most exceed 25 mph limit when going down BV or Morse BV. I find little traffic enforcement in around villages which creates this problem.:police:

The most complainers IMO are the speeders that use the left lane and don't drive in the right lane and get ****ed when they have to drive the speed limit!:D

Exactly!

[outlaw]

I always look at the speed limit as the minimum you should go so as not to impede traffic.

[NYGUY]

I always look at the speed limit as the minimum you should go so as not to impede traffic.

I agree, and do it in the right hand lane unless passing someone going even slower.

[Topspinmo]

I agree, and do it in the right hand lane unless passing someone going even slower.


Good luck the that one. I could see everyone driving in the right lane down 441 or BV. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. EVER!

[Topspinmo]

I always look at the speed limit as the minimum you should go so as not to impede traffic.

Your opinion! We all have them.

[perrjojo]

So how is a speed limit determined? Isn't it because it is the safest speed for the conditions? I don't think someone comes up with arbitrary speed limits just to P'$$ people off.

[RickeyD]

So how is a speed limit determined? Isn't it because it is the safest speed for the conditions? I don't think someone comes up with arbitrary speed limits just to P'$$ people off.



I believe if road and weather conditions are perfect, the posted speed limit applies. Any dangerous weather or road condition would summarily decrease the posted speed and a person should be ticketed for going the limit.

[Topspinmo]

I believe if road and weather conditions are perfect, the posted speed limit applies. Any dangerous weather or road condition would summarily decrease the posted speed and a person should be ticketed for going the limit.

Exactly. Why you don't drive 70 plus during thunder storm or snow storm. But, a few learn this the hard way when they hydroplane or slide off the road.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

My Parcar did not have hydraulic brakes or a split windshield, and it was a new "NEV", street legal, vin, licensed, and insured. I believe it was a 2003 model.


What is an NEV? I though that in order to be street legal a vehicle had to have a solid windshield and wipers.

As far as four wheel or hydraulic brakes, I don't care as long as the brakes are able to stop the vehicle going the maximum speed in an emergency. Standard two wheel golf cart brakes cannot stop a cart going 25 fast enough.

This is one of the problems with not having vehicle inspections in this state. I'm not a big government guy, but I have no problem with the state ensuring that vehicles driving beside me on the roads have the proper safety equipment.

[GaryW]

You do know that my comment was to red tail in response to their comment to you and not directed to you, right? Because it seems like you thought I was slamming you. I wasn't.

Yes,, my bust,, that is who I meant to quote,,, sorry :bigbow:

[rubicon]

To those who frequently complain about a thread getting off topic, and/or request the thread be closed because they determine it has run its course:
This thread started as a complaint regarding modified carts going too fast. It morphed into a thread about rules for driving in the left lane. This provided some good debate and good/interesting info of which I, and probably others, were unaware.

Rules, don't need no stinking rules!:D that is the title the topic

Personal Best Regards:

[NYGUY]

This is one of the problems with not having vehicle inspections in this state. I'm not a big government guy, but I have no problem with the state ensuring that vehicles driving beside me on the roads have the proper safety equipment.

Absolutely right..:clap2:

[RickeyD]

What is an NEV? I though that in order to be street legal a vehicle had to have a solid windshield and wipers.



As far as four wheel or hydraulic brakes, I don't care as long as the brakes are able to stop the vehicle going the maximum speed in an emergency. Standard two wheel golf cart brakes cannot stop a cart going 25 fast enough.



This is one of the problems with not having vehicle inspections in this state. I'm not a big government guy, but I have no problem with the state ensuring that vehicles driving beside me on the roads have the proper safety equipment.



Even in a state with annual safety inspections many people circumvent with fake stickers, friends in the business etc.
As a rule I know a beater on the road if I see it, I'll always keep my distance either far ahead or way back, depending upon my mood that minute.

[joldnol]

This is one of the problems with not having vehicle inspections in this state. I'm not a big government guy, but I have no problem with the state ensuring that vehicles driving beside me on the roads have the proper safety equipment.


we had inspections until the Governor Graham had to wait in line for an inspection.......