The Four Estates

[Guest]

A poster wrote this in another political thread

The Origin of the American Democratic Party
"Despite the increasingly cutting tension that is growing between the Democrats and Republicans of today, it’s important to remember that our factions sprouted from the same political party and thus, a shared purpose—to create a government that is run for and by its citizens."

What drivel...this is the last sentence. The citizens are the last thing the parties are looking out for.

In the beginning there were Three Estates church, monarchy, commoners
With the advent of the printing press came the Fourth Estate news media.

Advance today and the Three Estates are political class, lobbyist unions
The Fourth Estate news media no longer write the stories they make them up as they go along


The citizens are the last thing the parties are looking out for

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

A poster wrote this in another political thread

The Origin of the American Democratic Party
"Despite the increasingly cutting tension that is growing between the Democrats and Republicans of today, it’s important to remember that our factions sprouted from the same political party and thus, a shared purpose—to create a government that is run for and by its citizens."

What drivel...this is the last sentence. The citizens are the last thing the parties are looking out for.

In the beginning there were Three Estates church, monarchy, commoners
With the advent of the printing press came the Fourth Estate news media.

Advance today and the Three Estates are political class, lobbyist unions
The Fourth Estate news media no longer write the stories they make them up as they go along


The citizens are the last thing the parties are looking out for

Personal Best Regards:

Sounds about right.

[Guest]

In the beginning there were Three Estates church, monarchy, commoners

What is political class? I know what classes are.
What is a lobbyist union? I know what lobbyists are. Have they all converged?
The media makes up everything? You really believe that? Even baseball scores, election results, mass shootings, everything?

Is this an example of “truthful hyperbole?”

[Guest]

In the beginning there were Three Estates church, monarchy, commoners

What is political class? I know what classes are.
What is a lobbyist union? I know what lobbyists are. Have they all converged?
The media makes up everything? You really believe that? Even baseball scores, election results, mass shootings, everything?

Is this an example of “truthful hyperbole?”

Dear Guest:

Estate equates to power. So a realistic look at America today we see lobbyist and unions both working the political class to do their bidding .

The news media is predominately liberal and their liberal bias is reflected in their reporting. As such they do not report the news they create it in heir image. As an example a mass shooting isn't about inadequate mental health services its about gun control .

If I am wrong why is it that there is not a celebrated liberal journalist like Woodward or Bernstein aggressively investigating the alleged malfeasance of Hillary Rodham Clinton, allegations need I remind you that pale in comparison to that of Richard Nixon So let me ask you, now is this an example of truthful hyperbole you reference.

Pity the progressives that mirror their leaders spurious attempts at denying and dodging known truths. By the way if you noticed the electorate has finally caught on to these tactics.

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Dear Guest:

Estate equates to power. So a realistic look at America today we see lobbyist and unions both working the political class to do their bidding .

The news media is predominately liberal and their liberal bias is reflected in their reporting. As such they do not report the news they create it in heir image. As an example a mass shooting isn't about inadequate mental health services its about gun control .

If I am wrong why is it that there is not a celebrated liberal journalist like Woodward or Bernstein aggressively investigating the alleged malfeasance of Hillary Rodham Clinton, allegations need I remind you that pale in comparison to that of Richard Nixon So let me ask you, now is this an example of truthful hyperbole you reference.

Pity the progressives that mirror their leaders spurious attempts at denying and dodging known truths. By the way if you noticed the electorate has finally caught on to these tactics.

Personal Best Regards:
Would you mind if I pick this apart and ask some questions along the way. You'll need to trust my next statement.

I honestly want to learn what I don't know. You make statements and I think you assume we are all on the same page. I truly appreciate the effort you put into your posts. I do learn from you although it's not always obvious. But I will challenge you. It's a process.

Estate equates to power. So a realistic look at America today we see lobbyist and unions both working the political class to do their bidding .

I did a little more reading I understand. I didn't think there were that many unions left.


The news media is predominately liberal and their liberal bias is reflected in their reporting. As such they do not report the news they create it in heir image. As an example a mass shooting isn't about inadequate mental health services its about gun control .

Isn't it about gun control because many feel it's just too easy to get assault weapons. To ask for more hospitals so we catch every mentally ill person is like going over to the mid-east and finding the people that will come over here and terrorize us. It can't be done.

If I am wrong why is it that there is not a celebrated liberal journalist like Woodward or Bernstein aggressively investigating the alleged malfeasance of Hillary Rodham Clinton, allegations

I can't explain that either. You say there is no story there because the media is corrupt. My gut says there is not story there because the evidence is flimsy. I don't want to debate the evidence. I've read a lot about her. If you believe there is a conspiracy I'd like to hear about that instead. That's new information for me. I find it hard to believe the establishment has squashed every new Woodward and Bernstein. The internet and self publishing makes this difficult for me to swalow.


need I remind you that pale in comparison to that of Richard Nixon So let me ask you, now is this an example of truthful hyperbole you reference.

I'm on shaky ground there. I understood that it was a phrase created by Trump. It's like a white lie. Therefore forgivable. But a lie non-the-less.

Pity the progressives that mirror their leaders spurious attempts at denying and dodging known truths. By the way if you noticed the electorate has finally caught on to these tactics.

Please don't lump me in with anyone. I'm just trying to sort this out for myself. I'm not mirroring anyone. I don't pretend to know the truths. I can only guess what you mean about the electorates. No offense meant---but I'm no longer able to figure out what you are saying again.

[Guest]

Would you mind if I pick this apart and ask some questions along the way. You'll need to trust my next statement.

I honestly want to learn what I don't know. You make statements and I think you assume we are all on the same page. I truly appreciate the effort you put into your posts. I do learn from you although it's not always obvious. But I will challenge you. It's a process.

Estate equates to power. So a realistic look at America today we see lobbyist and unions both working the political class to do their bidding .

I did a little more reading I understand. I didn't think there were that many unions left.


The news media is predominately liberal and their liberal bias is reflected in their reporting. As such they do not report the news they create it in heir image. As an example a mass shooting isn't about inadequate mental health services its about gun control .

Isn't it about gun control because many feel it's just too easy to get assault weapons. To ask for more hospitals so we catch every mentally ill person is like going over to the mid-east and finding the people that will come over here and terrorize us. It can't be done.

If I am wrong why is it that there is not a celebrated liberal journalist like Woodward or Bernstein aggressively investigating the alleged malfeasance of Hillary Rodham Clinton, allegations

I can't explain that either. You say there is no story there because the media is corrupt. My gut says there is not story there because the evidence is flimsy. I don't want to debate the evidence. I've read a lot about her. If you believe there is a conspiracy I'd like to hear about that instead. That's new information for me. I find it hard to believe the establishment has squashed every new Woodward and Bernstein. The internet and self publishing makes this difficult for me to swalow.


need I remind you that pale in comparison to that of Richard Nixon So let me ask you, now is this an example of truthful hyperbole you reference.

I'm on shaky ground there. I understood that it was a phrase created by Trump. It's like a white lie. Therefore forgivable. But a lie non-the-less.

Pity the progressives that mirror their leaders spurious attempts at denying and dodging known truths. By the way if you noticed the electorate has finally caught on to these tactics.

I get it.

I get it

[Guest]

Take a look at this.
Let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0
Paul Krugman and Moyer are discussing a best seller written by a French Author.

A new book that’s the talk of academia and the media, Capital in the Twenty-First Century by Thomas Piketty, a 42-year-old who teaches at the Paris School of Economics, shows that two-thirds of America’s increase in income inequality over the past four decades is the result of steep raises given to the country’s highest earners.

I have run into hostile conversations about wealth and entitlement. According to the author but the 2030 the top 1% will be all inherited wealth. I listening to it now.

[Guest]

Take a look at this.
Let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0
Paul Krugman and Moyer are discussing a best seller written by a French Author.

A new book that’s the talk of academia and the media, Capital in the Twenty-First Century by Thomas Piketty, a 42-year-old who teaches at the Paris School of Economics, shows that two-thirds of America’s increase in income inequality over the past four decades is the result of steep raises given to the country’s highest earners.

I have run into hostile conversations about wealth and entitlement. According to the author by 2030 the top 1% will be all inherited wealth. I listening to it now.

I ad to change my last sentence. People were angry the other day that Chesea will inherit a lot of wealth without earning it. Yet the very same people were angry because I suggested it was wealth envy. This is also a sin in their camp. You cannot envy someone's wealth. The bubble will burst when the group realizes that inherited wealth grows faster than the economy.

The Moyer reports that follow on youtube are well worth watching too.
Fighting the Four Freedoms

[Guest]

Who cares about who has the money? Make your own wealth. To be jealous of someone inheriting wealth is just stupid. Just because someone else is luckier than you, doesn't meant that you can't be satisfied.

[Guest]

Who cares about who has the money? Make your own wealth. To be jealous of someone inheriting wealth is just stupid. Just because someone else is luckier than you, doesn't meant that you can't be satisfied.

Lust is a terrible mind bender. And it does not care what color or religion or party one is.

[Guest]

Who cares about who has the money? Make your own wealth. To be jealous of someone inheriting wealth is just stupid. Just because someone else is luckier than you, doesn't meant that you can't be satisfied.
Take a look at this.
Let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0
Paul Krugman and Moyer are discussing a best seller written by a French Author.

[Guest]

Who cares about who has the money? Make your own wealth. To be jealous of someone inheriting wealth is just stupid. Just because someone else is luckier than you, doesn't meant that you can't be satisfied.

Take a look at this.
Let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0
Paul Krugman and Moyer are discussing a best seller written by a French Author.

[Guest]

Lust is a terrible mind bender. And it does not care what color or religion or party one is.
Take a look at this.
Let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0
Paul Krugman and Moyer are discussing a best seller written by a French Author.

[Guest]

Who cares about who has the money? Make your own wealth. To be jealous of someone inheriting wealth is just stupid. Just because someone else is luckier than you, doesn't meant that you can't be satisfied.

Tell that to all the minorities who want to be equal.

[Guest]

Tell that to all the minorities who want to be equal.
Take a look at this.
Let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0
Paul Krugman and Moyer are discussing a best seller written by a French Author.

[Guest]

Tell that to all the minorities who want to be equal.

OK, I'm telling it to you so you can pass it on. It's called being self-reliant. No free lunches. Work for it. No affirmative action. Period.

If minorities wish to be equal, what exactly is stopping them? Come on, give me their excuses. And I will show you how poor immigrants come here and have built businesses and wealth without the gov's assistance. They ARE minorities too. Aren't you even a bit tired of the same old excuses about how some group is not being given the chance to success? Give me one example of how a minority does not have a better than equal playing field TODAY.

Equal? If they want to be equal then they wouldn't accept special consideration every chance they get. They would really be equal and compete equally. I want to be a professional basketball player, but I am not tall enough, skilled enough or young enough to compete for the job. Should I get that job based on the idea that I might be a minority and want it, regardless of qualifications?

Minorities use excuses because liberals, the left insist on exploiting them and encouraging them to stay down trodden. The right accepts them as they are and we are color blind regarding their association. If they can do the job, then they get the job. If not, then we don't believe they should, JUST LIKE every other person competing for the job. No preference. We don't worry about diversity, we just accept a person based on his/her merit and experience. We don't believe in quotas based on race, gender, or gender bender.

Minorities are NOT equal, and neither are the majority. Everyone is given an equal opportunity based on their qualities and attributes, not based on special consideration for being a certain race, gender or gender bender. EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, but not equal . Some are smarter than others, some are more athletic and some are more qualified than others.

The idea of minorities not being equal is a liberal concept. Kind of like Hillary trying to play the female voter when she says that females MUST get equal pay. Well, they do. Females get equal pay for equal work in every job. She is lying to gullible, blindly led unmotivated idiots. She is a liar.

[Guest]

OK, I'm telling it to you so you can pass it on. It's called being self-reliant. No free lunches. Work for it. No affirmative action. Period.

If minorities wish to be equal, what exactly is stopping them? Come on, give me their excuses. And I will show you how poor immigrants come here and have built businesses and wealth without the gov's assistance. They ARE minorities too. Aren't you even a bit tired of the same old excuses about how some group is not being given the chance to success? Give me one example of how a minority does not have a better than equal playing field TODAY.

Equal? If they want to be equal then they wouldn't accept special consideration every chance they get. They would really be equal and compete equally. I want to be a professional basketball player, but I am not tall enough, skilled enough or young enough to compete for the job. Should I get that job based on the idea that I might be a minority and want it, regardless of qualifications?

Minorities use excuses because liberals, the left insist on exploiting them and encouraging them to stay down trodden. The right accepts them as they are and we are color blind regarding their association. If they can do the job, then they get the job. If not, then we don't believe they should, JUST LIKE every other person competing for the job. No preference. We don't worry about diversity, we just accept a person based on his/her merit and experience. We don't believe in quotas based on race, gender, or gender bender.

Minorities are NOT equal, and neither are the majority. Everyone is given an equal opportunity based on their qualities and attributes, not based on special consideration for being a certain race, gender or gender bender. EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, but not equal . Some are smarter than others, some are more athletic and some are more qualified than others.

The idea of minorities not being equal is a liberal concept. Kind of like Hillary trying to play the female voter when she says that females MUST get equal pay. Well, they do. Females get equal pay for equal work in every job. She is lying to gullible, blindly led unmotivated idiots. She is a liar.
Be honest. Did you watch it? You have not mentioned a single idea or concept that was in the video. You assumed what the content was.

[Guest]

Be honest. Did you watch it? You have not mentioned a single idea or concept that was in the video. You assumed what the content was.

I didn't refer to the link, did I? The thread is not about the link is it? I responded to a post.

[Guest]

I didn't refer to the link, did I? The thread is not about the link is it? I responded to a post.
You are right, you responded to a post and not a link. It's about the Four Estates. The link has something to do with the Four Estates.

[Guest]

You are right, you responded to a post and not a link. It's about the Four Estates. The link has something to do with the Four Estates.

hey the man is on the stick today. No putting one over on this guy!

[Guest]

I didn't refer to the link, did I? The thread is not about the link is it? I responded to a post.

Of course this clown didn't watch the link. He already knows everything. Well, everything Fox News wants him to think anyway.

[Guest]

Would you mind if I pick this apart and ask some questions along the way. You'll need to trust my next statement.

I honestly want to learn what I don't know. You make statements and I think you assume we are all on the same page. I truly appreciate the effort you put into your posts. I do learn from you although it's not always obvious. But I will challenge you. It's a process.

Estate equates to power. So a realistic look at America today we see lobbyist and unions both working the political class to do their bidding .

I did a little more reading I understand. I didn't think there were that many unions left.


The news media is predominately liberal and their liberal bias is reflected in their reporting. As such they do not report the news they create it in heir image. As an example a mass shooting isn't about inadequate mental health services its about gun control .

Isn't it about gun control because many feel it's just too easy to get assault weapons. To ask for more hospitals so we catch every mentally ill person is like going over to the mid-east and finding the people that will come over here and terrorize us. It can't be done.

If I am wrong why is it that there is not a celebrated liberal journalist like Woodward or Bernstein aggressively investigating the alleged malfeasance of Hillary Rodham Clinton, allegations

I can't explain that either. You say there is no story there because the media is corrupt. My gut says there is not story there because the evidence is flimsy. I don't want to debate the evidence. I've read a lot about her. If you believe there is a conspiracy I'd like to hear about that instead. That's new information for me. I find it hard to believe the establishment has squashed every new Woodward and Bernstein. The internet and self publishing makes this difficult for me to swalow.


need I remind you that pale in comparison to that of Richard Nixon So let me ask you, now is this an example of truthful hyperbole you reference.

I'm on shaky ground there. I understood that it was a phrase created by Trump. It's like a white lie. Therefore forgivable. But a lie non-the-less.

Pity the progressives that mirror their leaders spurious attempts at denying and dodging known truths. By the way if you noticed the electorate has finally caught on to these tactics.

Please don't lump me in with anyone. I'm just trying to sort this out for myself. I'm not mirroring anyone. I don't pretend to know the truths. I can only guess what you mean about the electorates. No offense meant---but I'm no longer able to figure out what you are saying again.

Dear Guest:

Yes it does get a bit cloudy for all of us because powerful people are very adept at hiding truths. They have the means to spin their own truths. Hollywood people are a primary example. Hollywood is the most corrupt hedonistic corporation of all yet they and their celebrities preach to the masses about equality morality and interestingly enough the evils of greedy corporations. but I digress

The Obama Administration has stacked the NLRB against businesses and has made it law that corporations must make disclosure on what firms it employs who provide strategy when confronting unions. all of this for one simple fact unions vote Democrat and least you forget the government federal and state are all comprised of wait...public unions. Public unions who make heavy economic and administrative demands which are granted by vote getting politicians but funded by taxpayers like you and me.

The manipulation by the liberal media is so self evident that I do not want to waste the space here.

The issues surrounding Hillary Clinton are so obvious. Terrorist in Libya stormed our diplomatic outpost, the administration stood down and four men were killed. Hillary knew immediately but told a story of a video that angered a mob. Hillary clearly had a personal server installed in her home. the Clinton Charitable Foundations and its accounting entries establish a nexus of monies paid to the Clintons etc etc etc. I am angry that given this much evidence that Hillary is allowed to campaign and supporters pitch this right wing conspiracy nonsense. what angers me the most is that deny ignore stall by the Administration to provide cover for one of their own signals to the world that America is nothing but a corrupt third rate nation. Trump and Cruz faux pas exacerbate this world view of America.

"Pity the progressive" denotes those progressives who do blindly follow the progressive mantra senselessly defending the indefensible. If you do not then you are not included

So I return to my original statement unions and lobbyist (big corporations, the 1%, etc) used the political class to do their bidding

Far too many people, for whatever reason(s) willingly "trust their government"

The relationship between government and citizen is not one of "trust"
The relationship between citizen and government demands äccountability
and government has become so powerful with the aid of unions lobbyist the political class that "we the people" are no longer even in the equation and unless we unite we will all be reduced to feudal commoners .

Personal Best Regards: